Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God (Michael Strauss)

[livinlegendbg]

I can see how there might be a designer, and maybe he even knows of our existence. This in no way validates yahweh any more than wotan or poseidon. It's one thing to claim that there is a grand design to the universe, and a grand designer. It's a whole different proclamation to say the designer intended us to come into being, and inspired a book written by ignorant desert dwellers. In short you could use this as an argument for the existence of god, just not your particular god over any other.

[GammaWALLE]

Heaven and Hell are in a dimension unable to be found unless you die. God is like a judge in the court marshall to determine where to go to.

Heaven= Your personal space. Let whatever imagination you have run free!

Hell= Whatever you DON'T want it to be? Try to break the system? You don't get an afterlife.

Makes sense with science because it's tucked away so it cannot interfere with, well, Science.

Oh, and karma has an effect on heaven/hell to--

AW, WHO AM I KIDDING! These debates suck

[skylerrb]

YOU RETARDS YOU CANNOT FIND EVIDENCE OF GOD, YOU CANNOT FIND EVIDENCAE OF HEAVEN OR HELL! YOU CAN'T DO IT! ALL OF THIS "EVIDENCE" WERE FINDING, HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD DIDN'T CREATE IT? YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO FIND THIS EVIDENCE IF GOD DIN'T GIVE YOU A BRAIN.

[ash19898989]

lol good science

[Gericho49]

@ash19898989 if u want to challenge the overwhelming consensus of scientific opinon that rejects naturalistic explanations u'll have to do a little better than"lol"

The great irony for the smug atheist is that science was supposed to bury God now it is science that is leading us closer to him.

“The deeper one penetrates into nature’s secrets, the greater becomes one’s respect for God.” (Einstein, as cited in Brian 1996, p.119).

[ash19898989]

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood." These "signs" were a lot more impressive before the causes of solar and lunar eclipses were understood - Joel 2:31

Abijah spoke to 1,200,000 soldiers at one time. (He had a really loud voice.) 2 Chronicles - 13:3-4

[ash19898989]

The earth rests upon pillars and doesn't move (unless God gets angry or something) Job - 9:6

The moon produces its own light and the earth does not move - Isaiah 13:10-13

The earth is a flat disc that God looks down upon from his throne in heaven - Isaiah 40:22

To Daniel, the stars are small objects that can fall from the sky and then be "stamped upon." - Ezekiel 8:10

[Gericho49]

@ash19898989 quotes from atheism 101 for Dummies?.

Ever heard of allegory? The Bible is not a book but a library of Books written in many different genre.Snakes dont talk, neither did Jonah life in the belly of a whale. Such stories are parables (fictitious stories that offer a theological or moral lesson) Perhaps u need to take an introductory course in OT theology. In any event how do ur infidel . org quotes refute the overwhelming scientific consensus for a designed universe?

[ash19898989]

The sun, according to the bible, goes around the earth - Judges 5:31/Job 9:7/Psalms 19:4-6

The earth is set in place with no motion. It doesn't spin on its axis and its on foundations...hmmmm - 1 chronicles 16:30/Job 38:4-6/Psalms 75:3/Psalms 93:1/Jeremiah 31:37/Micah 6:2

The earth is flat - Psalms 74:17/Ezekiel 7:2

God spread out the sky, which is a solid structure, hard and strong like a mirror. Job 37:18

[nekoo1532]

why we spend so much time to know god exist or not?we can neither prove or disprove god.just be good to each other,live clean ,have a giving hand,respect each others right be good .if there is a god he will be happy an we awarded ,if there is no god at least we have created peace and loveable life for our self.

[MyFunnyBrianShow]

I don't know why people are not just o.k. with not knowing what happens when we die. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. It's really as simple as that.

[TheRapture66]

Dr Strauss tells us that his god lived "before" the beginning of time. This statement doesn't make sense as it seems to be saying god existed at a time previous to the beginning of time. It is contradictory.

[RMBVP]

@TheRapture66 If you live in a realm not of time, and by creating space and matter, time (or duration) is made as well. Before time, there is infinity which is a succession of events that can be seen over and over again like a video tape in real time. Thanks to Rob Bryanton's 10th dimensional theory, I have come to the conclusion of the nesting doll theory.

[Gericho49]

@TheRapture66 Thats exactly what its saying! Ever heard of the Hawking/Penrose singularity theorem or the one from Vilenkin et al that refute the existence of an infinite past? God created time. The Bible said it 3000yrs ago, now science agrees that an infinite regression of past finite events is impossible. God as the essence of being itself, is the eternal uncaused cause who exists outside of time- get it!

[gjsterp]

Strauss, a trained physicist, admits that we are made of star dust from supernovas, and then ignores that those stars had to exist billions of years before our planet did, and then imagines those stars exploded just so we could be here?

If his arguments were not so timeworn, I would LMAO, but I heard these jokes before - several times.

Is he getting paid by the Creation Ministries Intl?

[Gericho49]

@gjsterp eh? u make a reasonable argument about the universe forming prior to planet earth which in turn formed from exploded supernova. What is the joke here? The fine-tuning argument is not about the weather on Pandora its about the preconditions of the BB, the physical constants & the abstract scientific laws that allowed galaxies to form as well as 112 elements that enbled carbon based lifeforms.The question is was it by chance, physical necessity or by design? Are u feeling lucky?

[gjsterp]

@Gericho49 You wrote - 'The question is was it by chance, physical necessity or by design?'

I think it is a question that does not have an answer at this time, and may never have one, so the god of the gaps will be around for a long time to come.

[Gericho49]

@gjsterp It DOES have an answer. The universe is DESIGNED but u dont like where that conclusion is leading: “Astronomers who do not draw theistic or deistic conclusions are becoming rare, and even the few dissenters hint that the tide is against them." atheist cosmologist Geoffrey Burbidge,

Only a "science of the gaps" in the form of muliple but conflicting multiverse theories has been invented with the sole purpose of trying to refute our law-abiding fine-tuned life-permitting universe

[gjsterp]

@Gericho49 Geoffrey Burbidge's theory of an oscillating universe does not qualify as a proof of any god, nor have I found any evidence that he thought we had any evidence for a god.

[gjsterp]

'The Bible made the claim that the universe had a beginning', well so did the Egyptian religion, ENUMA ELISH.

The Ex nihilo creation is found in creation stories from ancient Egypt, the Rig Veda, the Bible, Quran, and many animistic cultures in Africa, Asia, Oceania and North America.

So, the Bible seems to be one of those that guessed correctly, because that IS what it was back then when it was written - a guess. Nothing more.

[Gericho49]

@gjsterp The fine-tuning argument is not about which ancient text got it right. Its about the overwhelming evidence that refutes naturalism-blind forces, mindless matter & chance. God is the only source of absolute truth. Whether "man was formed from the dust of earth" and not as a mistake, but by the abstract immutable laws of science built-in to the very fabric of nature, may one day be proven also. Perhaps that was a lucky guess too?

[gjsterp]

If prayer does not work, then God IS irrelevant.

We are at the mercy of nature, with no help from outside. And the natural disasters that have plagued us, throughout history, but especially in the last several years, seems to prove the irrelevance of any of the gods man has imagined.

It doesn't matter what mysteries science will uncover. Religious people will be there crafting a story and making the same old claims. God did it.

Religion - The Big Bullshit.

[Gericho49]

@gjsterp Would u rather live in a world as a puppet where theres no good, no evil, no pain, no free will? I wouldnt! Perhaps u believe ur just "a bunch of selfish genes fighting for survival in a world of pitiless indifference"

If so what survival advantage is offered for those capable of asking questions about meaning & destiny or being capable of appreciating beauty in nature, art &music? WHY would the brain evolve to be more intelligent than necessary if mindless matter is ur God.

[gjsterp]

@Gericho49 You wrote - 'If so what survival advantage is offered for those capable of asking questions about meaning & destiny or being capable of appreciating beauty in nature, art &music?'

Nome of the things you mention helped man to survive.

It was science, using reason and such things as the germ theory that has improved and added years to our lives. Of course art and music adds to our enjoyment, but religion only creates conflict. Note all the different beliefs that cause strife.

[anticorncob6]

70% of scientists are atheist. Do you really think that many scientists are stupid and ignorant?

[Gericho49]

@anticorncob6 No ! Get ur facts right! in 2007 only 31.2 % claimed to be atheists in an extensive survey of 2198 prestigious research institutes and only 15% said science & religion were in conflict. And no the overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion doesnt favor "materialism" alias blind forces, mindless processes & luck.

Get over it!

[Gericho49]

In the E&S research scientists who claimed atheism did so for family & social resons not b/c of their science.

Unlike the 15 yr old very selective study done by the all atheist NAS board, the LATEST study according to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June last year (2011), a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not. NOT 93% !!

[gjsterp]

@Gericho49 I believe that survey was done in 2009, but the year is not the point.

A more telling factor might be the fields these non-believing scientists work in,

Some fields probably give more evidence not to believe, while other fields do not conflict with some beliefs.

Is the universe expanding or does god suck?

[anticorncob6]

@Gericho49 According to nature, 1998, there was a poll of scientists, half replied, I think about 72.2% said they did not believe in a personal God. And 31.2% is still a lot bigger than the percentage of the general public, less than 5%.

Note the difference between belief in God and in a PERSONAL god... most that belief in God believe in an impersonal one.

[Gericho49]

@anticorncob6 u may want to trust the NAS survey by an all atheist board , that surveyed 2% of its members most of whom were known to be non-believers & only 51% of those actually replied, I dont. I would rather trust more recent surveys as outlined above that occured not 15yrs ago but in 2007 & last yr.

Its such a pity to find that atheists hear only what they want to & then repeat it to likeminded sceptics.

"70% of scientists are atheist." was a lie & u know it!

[MyContext]

This video is not proof of god. It is a god of the gaps argument. The Big Bang-Speaks to the start of what is observed now. All other factors happen to be the case. We don't have a cause of the start this is our point of ignorance, this is also the point of the god insertion. I can't disprove the god notions, not an issue. I do reject any man made god notions. So, if it is a god, it is a new notion of god currently unknown.

[rfvidz]

@MyContext Your comment is not proof for atheism. It is a naturalism of the gaps argument. The Big Bang-Speaks to the start of what is observed now. All other factors happen to be the case. We can know the nature of the cause upon metaphysical grounds. You'd know that if you actually watched video.

[lilrat489]

@MyContext either the cause is personal or impersonal. well through inductive reasoning (used alot in scientific methodology) we can find out if the cause is personal or impersonal using our current understanding of the nature of each potential causes. so, this is not ignorance. its called reason. particularly reason to the best explaination (inductive reasoning)

[1tabligh]

@MyContext What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.

All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh Yes, science is still in the dark about many things and will probably remain that way for as long as our species exists. But how does religion shine any light on anything the matters in reality?

It doesn't. It is merely an imagined reality, like so much of the fiction of our day.

One fiction is just as good as another for entertainment value, but isn't it time to step into the light of reality when it comes to religion?



[1tabligh]

@gjsterp

Matter or God?

Take your choice!

Matter and Motion

Matter is in continuous motion and constant development. This is a fact on which we all agree. Further, matter requires a cause that moves it. This is another fact admitted with no disputation. The most basic issue regarding the philosophy of motion is this. Can the matter in motion be the cause or agent of its motion?

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh The question of where everything came from or what moves everything may forever be unanswerable, and it is at present.

This is a question that stumps everyone, so religious people try to use this unanswered question, and then give their explanation for it.

But what caused the universe is NOT in question.

What is in question is the absent god(s) that men hold up as deserving of worship.

Lets discuss your Merciful God that is absent from our daily lives.

[1tabligh]

@gjsterp In other words, that which moves is the subject of motion, while the mover is the cause of motion. Can the same thing in the same respect be simultaneously a subject of motion and a cause of it?

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh If you want to believe that a god started the motion of everything, that's your belief.

I already stated that answer is unknowable.

But then I have to ask you, 'Where is that god now?'

Watching us like some vindictive peeping tom or Santa Claus?

[1tabligh]

@gjsterp With regard to this issue, this is the only explanation that the dialectic can offer as a justification of the dynamism of matter. However, it is very easy to see why this explanation cannot be adopted from a scientific point of view. If hydrogen were to contain its contradictory essentially and to develop due to this fact, in accordance with the alleged dialectical laws, then why is it that not all the hydrogen atoms were completed?

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh AGAIN ! Regarding your post 'With regard to this issue, this is the only explanation...'

This post was ALSO cut and pasted from mike adkins website and posted here, though you started it with 'Dodging the questions and quibbling in vain!'

It would appear that it is YOU who is dodging, quibbling and cutting and pasting in VAIN !

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh You use 'tricky' words to make your arguments. You say that which is moved has a 'mover' which infers a creature is involved. I consciously move a chair, therefore I am the chair 'mover'.

The universe moves therefore it has a 'mover' does not follow logically. It most certainly has a cause for its movement, but not a 'mover'.

The moon effects the oceans which cause the tides, but to say the moon is the 'mover' of the tides is to incorrectly give the moon an anthropomorphic quality.

[gjsterp]

@1tabligh It would appear that whatever is at the center of our galaxy is causing the motion of the stars within it. What caused each of these scientifically postulated Black Holes to form and get their initial movement is the question astronomers seek to answer. I doubt we will see any god in their future hypotheses.

[1tabligh]

@gjsterp [In other words], why did the essential completion pertain to some atoms and not to others?

[Gericho49]

@MyContext What rot! It is an argument based on an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that concludes that of 3 possibilities chance, physical necessity & design, the latter is the most plausible explanation. The FACTS are that the universe is finite, rationally intellligible, law abiding and life-permitting, It is atheism that cant let go of chance or necessity on ideological grounds so they invent fanciful theories without any evidence.-"science of the gaps" indeed!

[Gericho49]

Whether multiverses exist (and they cant be proven) there cant be an infinite regression of past finite universes. As such the logical deduction is there must be a transcendent uncaused cause that exists outside of time, space & matter, what we call the eternal creator, God.

The infinite as in infinite past time exists nowhere in nature, it remains solely that of an idea" Dave Hilbert.

[Gericho49]

@MyContext Not at all! the overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion based on actual science is for design & fine tuning. It's actually a "science of the gaps" argument to suggest chance in the form of purely hypothetical multiverse theories. There r at least 9 of them & they all contradict each other. Its very easy to account for fanciful theories than to account for scientifically testable ones. Theism need one universe to account for design atheist resorts to an infinite no.

[Gericho49]

In the 19th century, the "God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower niche. However, 20th century & now 21st century science is leading us back down the road of design -not from a lack of scientific explanation, but from physics & cosmology that requires an appeal to the extremely unlikely something that science does not deal well with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many scientists now believe in God.4more citationsSee godevidence . com

[Gericho49]

The degree to which the constants of physics must match precise criteria is such that even a number of agnostic scientists have concluded that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it. How then can we account for Fine-

Tuning by purely naturalistic processes? Theres only 3 possible explanations to explain fine-tuning

1. Chance 2. Necessity3.Design itself

PCDavies estimates that the fine-tuning is equivalent to shootin a dart into a target 20bill light yrs away

[gjsterp]

@Gericho49 The god that your science proposes is not the one of the NT, but only one of a designer, and a very unconcerned SOB at that. google birth defects and then diseases, and then catastrophes, and show me how your loving designer god plays into all of that.

You've heard of C. Sagan and Neil Degrasse Tyson? What do these men say, and where are ALL the other astronomers defending the idea of god? That is the REAL gap of the god idea.

[JamesMorlan]

Science tell us absolutely nothing about the existence of God. Science is not concerned with any concept of God. All science is, is an examination of what is known to exist in the natural world. That's all! Why do you people think that science has an agenda against God? It is the religious who have a problem with science, because science shows us how things work...which happens to conflict with stubborn beliefs held by many people, not to mention biblical claims.

[CarlosMarti123]

@JamesMorlan That's the problem, science doesn't have an agenda against God.

Tough that's what atheists seem to think.

[pntblnguitarists]

Showing evidence for a person be it Jesus- the human incarnation of God, or God The Father, or Bob ;), is somewhat pointless as it's not a scientific approach that proves them but a historical one, this is why science has no direct evidence for the "Body" of God. God is not "scientific laws" as the atheist community looks at it but a person that set the world and UNIVERSE!! in motion. :)

[pntblnguitarists]

Try doing anything without prior knowledge of it, then sir, we will talk. BTW faith is the assumed prior knowledge part. This is for anyone who will argue that you must leave reason/faith behind. :)

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

Why can't you people just sit down and shut up and accept the truth of what this guy is saying?? I mean, is it really that hard for you to do?

[Lianchazar]

@BarrelsPolesandJack You think people dont have any opinion about what this guy says¿?

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@Lianchazar Not one that needs to be said on here. This isn't the place for that. Keep it to yourselves.

[Lianchazar]

@BarrelsPolesandJack Really¿? So that means starting from today and on I have to keep up what i think ¿?

I mean, this is a place for saying what is on your mind! And in fact if u look around, it says "comments" and comments are opinions and opinions are provided by us. ;)

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@Lianchazar Good for you.

[Lianchazar]

@BarrelsPolesandJack  Exactly!

[anticorncob6]

@BarrelsPolesandJack Because it is flawed.

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@anticorncob6 Prove it.

[anticorncob6]

@BarrelsPolesandJack Cosmilogical argument, DNA, all that stuff, just search it up. But of course I know you will just keep replying until I give every scrap of my knowledge because you just HAVE to win.

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@anticorncob6 That proves nothing. If anything, it just emphasizes on God's existense even more.

[anticorncob6]

@BarrelsPolesandJack Well, if you do research you'll find out how these have been debunked, and also note: 70% of scientists are atheists, do you think that many scientists are ignorant?

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@anticorncob6 Ignorance is a matter of perception, my friend. What is proof but that which is written by someone who's witnessed the event? Otherwise, how else will anyone ever find out about it? Such is the case with the Bible. It is WRITTEN PROOF that God exists.

[SIC66SIC66]

@BarrelsPolesandJack No the Bible it is not proof of anything. In your logic Allah exists because the Quran is the proof of it.

Also I can write a book how Santa Claus is real. Your logic is flawed in many ways.

You you have a warped view on reality. And you refuse to educate yourself on these matters, you rather stay dumb then find out you were wrong.

So you are ignorant of the facts. Its a fact.

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@SIC66SIC66 I said proof that is written by someone who WITNESSED, as in, was actually there and saw what happened with their very own eyes, the event. How else can you tell others about what you saw except through word of mouth? Wouldn't they, in turn, if you witnessed something so spectacular and great, and awesome in power, want to share it with others? By the way, "Allah" is NOT my God. My God is a kind and loving God, and yours isn't. If you want to talk about a "warped" view of reality...

[SIC66SIC66]

@BarrelsPolesandJack You dont have a clue what I am talking about man..

First, the new testament is written WAY later, long after the facts. So this is not proof of anything. Myths are not proof.

Second. The Quran is a book telling you about Allah, why is that not PROOF then?? Dont be a hypocrite and apply the same skeptical look to your own beliefs as you do to others.

And I am not a muslim, I am an atheist. So dont tell me what I think when you dont know me.

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@SIC66SIC66 So...you're watching this video why? Look. I'm through debating with you. I know God exists because I have a personal relationship with Him. I hear Him, and He hears me. He talks to me; I talk to Him. That's the only proof I need. If you don't like it, then take it up with Him, because He's the one in charge. I am just His servant.

[SIC66SIC66]

@BarrelsPolesandJack Yes, thats right, when you you dont know it anymore, resort to being stubborn, dont give up, you know you are right even if the evidence is against you.

You just talk to yourself mate.. When you hear voices in your head, we say, you are crazy and need treatment.

Be skeptical about these things man, dont buy into it without any research. Its all make belief. There is absolutely no basis to believe there is any kind of god.

[BarrelsPolesandJack]

@SIC66SIC66 "If God is for us, who can be against us?" ~Romans 8:31 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God." ~John 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." ~Genesis 1:1

You know, my friend, God desires that NO ONE be sent to hell, as it states in 2 Peter 3:9. And John 3:16 tells us of how much He loves us. This is for ANYONE who wants to live the life that only God can give: life through His Spirit! Please repent, and be saved!

[SIC66SIC66]

@BarrelsPolesandJack If god doesn't want is to go to hell why did he make it? Isnt he all-powerful?

Doesn't god kill THOUSANDS of people during the stories in the bible? Didnt he make the devil?

I would like you to spor preaching to me for a moment, and think... think about it all. Are you applying the same amount of skepticism to your beliefs as to other things in life? I dont ask you to stop believing, I ask you to educate yourself please, and look, look for yourself

Educate yourself please

[Fantasticlist]

@SIC66SIC66 Your prepotency if GLOBAL hahaha Im done with you x)

Why are you telling a girl with faith to educate herself ?! And about the killings of God, you educate yourself because you obviously dont know what dictators did on earth. But Im glad that at least to call Him a killer you assume He is real ;)

[basiladeeb]

For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries. (Robert Jastrow)

[keksinnot]

Wonderful guy, easy to listen to and of good spirit (shows flexibility etc.). Good points also.

[bonnie43uk]

at 45 minutes he says he knows people with so much evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, I'd like to know what form does this evidence take?? As many people have pointed out, the bible is strewn with errors. He is a likeable guy, and a lot of what he says makes sense, but i'd like hardcore evidence of god, and i just dont see it, so, on that basis, I'm happy to remain an atheist.

[XXXFirebird76XXX]

@bonnie43uk

In a certain Christian theology, that fact that you need "hardcore evidence" is to be expected. It is taught that God chooses his people, and without God's act of regeneration, you cannot come to believe in him. So when you say that you are happy to remain an Atheist, and I find myself completely believing that you mean what you say. Also, the bible isn't "strewn with errors". You'd have to interpret it in a very strict context to keep that idea alive.

[stephjh2006]

Hey rfvidz, who is this guy? What's his background?

Thanks

[aiflux]

@stephjh2006 He's a physics professor at the University of Oklahoma

[DigitalDecadence]

Man this guy was so good. Why haven't I ever heard of him before?

You know, too little hours in the day, too many awesome people to listen to! ;)

[3leftsandaright]

There is no way for God to have existed "before" time and then to have "created" time and have it still be coherent.

[3leftsandaright]

@3leftsandaright You can not have a before and then without time.

[RedLetterChristian]

@3leftsandaright yes you can, all that is required is that god not have a physical body, because time only measures mass over distance traveled. God being a spiritual being (having no mass) makes this possible.

[KBrimstone]

@3leftsandaright The before is casual not temporal.