@machado231097 Ooohhh... I didn't know that... smart usage for a book you'd never want to read... maybe I'll do that with my sister's copy of the Twilight saga :o
@machado231097 and they criticize morale on evolution , its funny to quote Joshua book to a christian, a book full of injustice, murder, and robbery, from a man to leads in evil way in the name of god. All Christians are in the side of Joshua. than is funny.....no, that is scary
@machado231097 Fool! I just hope that some day you come to realize that if you ever criticized yourself with the same immature ferocity that you criticize others, you would then realize what a double standard self righteous fool you are. Anyway, I've said enough. If you think I give a damn about the immature comments of a schmuck like you, think again!
@machado231097 believe me, you are not in a position to lecture me on self righteousness. I don't like your attitude, but again, what should I expect from a schmuck? I just hope some day you realize how wrong you are to think you're so right.
@machado231097 National socialist! Socialists and liberals want to abolish religion. Many German Christians conspired to assassinate Hitler. Atheists are just as self righteous as National Socialists. Take it from me, don't try to reason with self righteous schmucks, you might as well try to breathe underwater.
why not, i buy gift shop items of my favorite football club but i am completely aware of the fact that they suck big time and have a smaller chance to survive this season than an ice cube in hell
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Why are atheists so obsessed with religion? real Atheists say nothing about religion, the ones looking for attention, aka fake atheists are the ones who are questioning religion. Its funny some atheists say they dont like organized religions but still call atheism a religion. Its not a religion its an absence of religion.
0:51 People discuss all sorts of things they know aren't real, like movies with fantastical elements. You seem to be claiming that it makes no sense to talk about any movie which it is known isn't real.
Atheist are obsessed with religion simply because of the bolsevik-hungarian stooges that concluded religion must be wiped off the face of the planet and their agents still rabble about their disdain to institute a political system as they did during the russian revolution in the UK and in America. Atheism IS a decoy plot of events to come which will be revolutionary, much like the red revolution. Repeat history and unlockingthat door is dangerous.
@SuperFifthwheel I don't give a shit if people are religious. I like learning about religion because I think it's funny that people can believe in something that ridiculous, not because I'm a communist revolutionary.
@cripple128 If anything, Christians are communists. Their Tenth Commandment says not to covet, and wanting stuff that isn't yours is the basis for capitalism.
@SuperFifthwheel Paranoid much? Sensible (agnostic) atheists choose not to favor any active belief about the origins of or what is external to our reality- because there can be made infinite theories with or without deities so any kind of likelihood of either cannot actually be calculated at this point in time and perhaps never. Lacking belief is just an unbiased view. I actually support religion being kept for historical insight / art, but in a healthier "inactive" state. We're all agnostic.
@SuperFifthwheel My family, my friends, me, some random strangers who happen to be really empathetic, and presumably you too, otherwise you wouldn't have responded.
@Zoot101 He might do, but we are passing through the unfortunate time that people are in fact so, so stupid that sometimes it's hard to decide whether someone is a completely stupid moron or a smart, critical thinking person satirizing stupid people.
For example, there's this guy "qwertyfshag", his videos are so ignorant that I cannot seem to utterly convince myself that it is NOT satire.
It may be some defensive mechanism to protect myself from acknowledging his complete stupidity.
When you win a football game, its not god, its the players. The bible is not evidence. Its man written. God did not command anyone to make the bible. Check mate.
theres something a little bit wrong, mentally, with people who believe that there was nothing.... nothing..... nothing... than BANG! the universe was created. check mate believers!
@TEXS713 I highly doubt it's possible for there to be absolutely nothing in the universe. There were probably some elements. The ones I believe are resposible are carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen. Why? C4
@GFedFan so your saying that these elements combined somehow and created the big bang, correct? but dont you see you've arrived at the same question that both sides (believers and non.) ask each other. if there were elements there before the big bang how did they get there? you see i believe that humans dont know everything there is to know about the universe, though we act like we do. i believe there is someone or something eternal that we simply cannot comprehend
@TEXS713 i dont know why some atheists believe that the big bang started it. science can only theorize from the evidence we have, but we cant come to a definite conclusion. to me, the origin of the universe is still completely open to debate, just as long as that debate has emperical evidence instead of batshit crazy ideas from a 2000 year old book of desert fairytales.
@mattakudesu a 2000 year old fairytale book thats been translated, modified, and even paganised. i understand that a giant sitting on a cloud somewhere can be difficult to accept but the theory "scientest" present (and in schools is taught as a fact) is just as ludicrous.
@TEXS713 yes it does seem ludicrous, but how do we know that the origin of the universe will make any kind of sense to the average joe? only scientists and people who study the proper fields of science would understand why its normal, and they give us the evidence to show it. but, peoples intellectual laziness tends to keep them from examining that evidence to understand why such a ludicrous claim would make sense.
@mattakudesu i agree. and while im not going to sit here and right a book explaining why the big bang theory is incorrect a can clearly see flaws in the theory. it all leads back to the same question, how was the universe created? if it was all created by a huge explosion of hydrogen atoms, where did those h-atoms come from to begin with? what was there before the universe? scientest dont really explain the big bang itself, the therory begins with a huge unexplainable explosion.
war on atheistm??? dude you say "you have to love others as much as you love yourself" in your fucking church!!! thats real compassion there!!! and its sarcastic, just in case you dont get it. see, how do you expect on atheist or other people respect your point of view if you are not respecting others??? -_-
The only religion in the world should be 'Family and real friends'. If we stuck to and priortised that before ANYTHING else in the world, we wouldnt of got ourselves into this mess of 'join my club!!!' and 'your club is wrong!!!', 'lets fight or disagree'. And this doesnt just apply for religion because religion is just another form club no matter what the respective motives are. We have naturally inherited/been burdened with our ancestors clubs.
I think we must search in this world, and at the same time prepare us to the fail in a world limited by another world. Science / Metaphysic is the human way of prospecting.
@Informatisse you never miss a turn to say something idiotic. You really equate the statements "something is not existing" (which is an awkward and stupid way of saying "doesn't exist"), and "not ever seen"?
astounding.
I guarantee you no scientist would ever speak or "reason" like you attempt to.
Ok, but the problem is : atheism is based on a false inference ("god does not exists"). Trying to discuss with atheists is difficult, because of their beliefs about the subject.
I'm also concerned about their crusade against religions : all religions are not craps, some of them are peacefull and not based on worships (or at least worship is minimal). Some variant of Buddhism and Sufism are mainly based on reflexions and internalizations. Being "religious" is not being dumb.
*Correction : many atheists WANT to be gnostics, but make so many logical mystakes that they fall in the deepness of anti-religion and absurdity like "god does not exists".
@Informatisse I'm glad we're on the same page finally, any atheist that wants to be a gnostic atheist is either wasting their time or intellectually dishonest.
You CAN debunk specific gods though, and end up at a point of "knowing for all practical purposes that there are no gods worth worshipping"
@emikochan13 You CAN'T end up to that thought, BECAUSE of the absurdity wich lead it.
1. If we have no proof that something exists, it DOES NOT MEAN that this thing does not exists !
2. Saying that there is no gods ("they don't exists") IS A LOGICAL NON-SENSE.
Debunking gods thought based on this wrong inference is hidding a real psychological problem with the concept of god, and a social phenomenon similar to sectarism.
@emikochan13 Moreover Science is sometime acting like a religion, with dogmas (there is nothing that science can't explain and nothing is out of reach of science).
About changing his behavior regarding to the possibility of a god (or a mystical meaning of life with no consideration for a god), this is not stupid neither illogical. This is open mind and questionning about what can bring us those possibilities. You can't avoir people to act on opportunities.
@Informatisse Science doesn't act like a religion, there is no dogma, no assertion without evidence (except the only assertion that is required for anything, that "reality is real")
I would love to see how you got from "some people follow science religiously" to "science is a religion".
It's important to ask questions, but just as important to treat all beliefs consistently, requiring evidence for anything in accordance with the complexity of the claim (Occam's razor is very useful)
@Informatisse quoting yourself doesn't make you right, There is nothing in the scientific method (the only rule of science) saying there is nothing science can't explain. Please cite your source
It is a fact, however, that science is the best path to knowledge. If science can't find the answer, nothing else can
It's not science "acting religious" As I said, and you ignored, some people follow science religiously. That has no bearing on science itself, just some of the people that "follow" it.
- Is based on false reasoning that bring stupid crusades against what atheists see as crap (without trying to separate crap from interesting human reactions).
- Act like a sect : "god does not exists and believers are evil"
- Is not optimized regarding to agnosticism (the Huxley way of thinking).
- Is mainly used by teenagers who search for a community and a cool/smart one (being smart and not a believer is the actual fashion).
@Informatisse You make a great deal of assumptions. Also psychology and anthropology are sciences too, I don't know where your first comment came from.
Atheism has no tenets or dogma, anything individual atheists wish to do, has nothing to do with atheism. You can't do something "in the name of atheism". People can say what they are doing is in the name of atheism but it isn't.
Atheism doesn't automatically turn someone into an intellectual, it just removes one barrier to truth.
@Informatisse except that's not what atheism means. Atheism is the rejection of the theist position, on the grounds that their claim has insufficient evidence.
It is not a position on it's own, therefore it cannot have any dogma. Only positive claims can have positions attached to them.
Atheism is ONLY the rejection of theist claims, and anyone that uses another definition is lying to you.
@Informatisse you are so pitifully ignorant of the actual issues that prompt atheist activism. The fact of the matter is you wouldn't hear a peep out of atheists if they weren't doing crap like trying to thwart stem cell research, allow religious dogma to be taught in schools (queue the "evolution is atheist dogma" knee jerk), kill abortion doctors, or blow you up for drawing a picture of your prophet, throw battery, etc. etc. Vocal atheism is a response to that, you feign ignorance about it.
@tdietz20 Oh come on, you have no pity at all, if you had pity you would not be trying to make fun of me. I don't feign ignorance about atheism, you do when you and your fellow the nonsenses guys say : god does not exists. It IS a pseudo-reasoning that smells the self-repressed douchbags.
@Informatisse no trust me, I really do pity you, but you're clearly so dense that mocking your ignorance is like punching a heavy bag, so youre right, I don't really have that much pity. Youre the one here in the comment section of an atheist satire video, so you're begging for abuse. I simply obliged. However your last commment proves you're too much of a bore to engage, so I'm done with you. Keep wasting your life with your fellow fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishists.
@Informatisse no trust me, I really do pity you, but you're clearly so dense that mocking your ignorance is like punching a heavy bag, so youre right, I don't really have that much pity. Youre the one here in the comment section of an atheist satire video, so you're begging for abuse. I simply obliged. However your last comment proves you're too much of a bore to engage, so I'm done with you. Keep wasting your life with your fellow fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishists.
@tdietz20 Your comment bring so much for the debate and for the people on Youtube that we should thank you for your great eloquence. See? Is my pseudo-argument as good as yours?
@Informatisse do you know what "pseudo" means? I'm not sure you really do. It's cute you think anyone but you is reading this crap. I'm not trying to impress anyone but it's clear you are.
@tdietz20 And if saying that "we can't say that god exists neither he does not exist" is being a fearmonfering hypocrite zombie fetishist, saying that he doesn't exist is simply a logical nonsense that definitly prove you're not so smart and lucid that you would be.
@Informatisse To be fair I'm only calling you a fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishist because you're nothing more than a trolling christian looking to start arguments on atheist vids.
and I've never said "god doesn't exist", moron. All I've ever claimed is that theists are not just idiots for claiming to know that god does exist, which alone is tragic and sad, but that they're assholes for pushing their beliefs into education/medicine/politics
- You can't call me a zombi when you try to fight me when I fight people saying that "god does not exist", or it implicates that you defend this wrong inference.
- I'm not Christian. If I was, I'll never say that we can't say that god does exist, stupid moron.
Please, try to read correctly before ridiculizing yourself by answering to quickly.
@emikochan13 I'm sorry but many, many, many people are using atheism like a crusade based on a wrong inference, against those they use to have fun and to give a reason to exist.
I fear atheists as I fear fundamentalists. I wouldn't birth in a world full of religious dumb neither in a world full of arrogant atheists. Both act as assholes and distort reality.
If only those who fight fundamentalists were not using mockery and false reasonings.
@Informatisse You only fear atheists because you seem to think they're something they aren't you are constantly misrepresenting the definition of atheism, it's not mutually exclusive with agnosticism. Any intellectually honest atheist has to be an agnostic atheist. I'm with Richard Dawkins on this one.
Right... I think you're confusing belief with knowledge.
You can't believe something unless you already think it's real. "knowledge" (real or imagined) comes before you believe.
Honestly I don't even think faith exists... Everyone I speak to that believes something seems to have a reason, even if it's unverifiable...(usually trust of authority figures I'd imagine)
@emikochan13 I don't understand what you're saying. I believe that life exists everywhere in the universe but I'm not sure of this, I don't have the knowledge of it. I just have the knowledge that it is very plausible regarding to the conditions that requires life to be created.
My argument against atheists is only about their wrong way of reasoning. Atheists want so much to toucht the truth that they don't hesistate to use wrong inferences.
@Informatisse I mean, you have enough knowledge to inform your belief. You can't believe something you've never heard of
If you hadn't seen the equation on probability of alien life, or knew about the vastness of the universe in comparison to that equation, I don't think you'd believe that aliens could exist. I agree with you on that subject.
The point i'm making that we have no reference point for gods, where we have 1 example of organic life (DNA) We can hypothetically extrapolate from there
@emikochan13 About the reference point for god, you can prevent people to think that our reality is not the ultimate reality. People abstract the world from ages, like Platon.
Today, we have the concept of "virtuality", of computing. We can now imagine that our world is made by a computer. This although would answer many many technical questions like how can the universe emerge from nothing, etc.
@Informatisse Yes that is a possibility, though the discoveries about the multibraned universe and oscillating strings that M theory is based on being able to create universes means we don't have to fall back on an intelligence there either.
In quantum physics, nothing ALWAYS creates something, due to quantum fluctuations (probably in the "dark energy" that makes up most of the universe)
Though actually, "nothing" might be a pointless concept, "something" might be the default state.
@Informatisse Just one more point about the "virtual reality" hypothesis. Even if it was the case, our reality is real to us, so we should still be trying to find out how it works. :)
@emikochan13 As you said, "something" might be the default state :)
So where this something came from? The question is interesting, we can't say this is not.
I say : is we find and answer, we can ask the question again, about this new thing that created the last one.
But : there is the possibility that we are in a world where our means are limited. In a higher world, postulating that something came from nothing is perhaps not the ultimate solution, and the other theory is perhaps not infinite.
@emikochan13 But as you said some actual theories can perhaps explain how can something emerge from nothing... wich is in fact something, etc... If we succeed, this could be the end of the "other world" theory.
@Informatisse Like I said, the jury is out, it's ongoing research, no point discussing it as confirmed yet.
If "something" is the default state, then it doesn't need to be created does it :p the "nothing" would probably require an explanation (if "nothing" even exists, since space is "something")
If "something" is the default state, then you could conceivably get "nothing" by just spreading the "something" out.
Either way we've never found "nothing" so we don't know properties it has.
@emikochan13 Yeah but this default state is disturbing. As Thomas d'Aquin said : "Why something instead of nothing?". All "has" to be created, regarding to this question.
But I don't want to evade the postulate of "something here instead of nothing and with no reason", because it has to be thought and evaluated.
It's... complicated ! The simple fact that we can ask the question is meaningfull for me.
@Informatisse Sometimes there is no reason, no "why". But there is ALWAYS a "how". Searching for reasons is futile when we haven't found the "how" yet.
Lets discover something, then look further into it. skipping vital information does not lead to good knowledge.
@Informatisse I understand what you mean by exists or not exists, we're past that. We don't know what we don't know, but assuming anything we can think of could exist just because we haven't found it yet is backwards logic.
Gods could exist, but so far the jury is out, because there is no evidence that doesn't contradict itself. It just follows "human imagination" far too closely.
I'm wary of discussing specifics with you however because you won't tell me what you actually believe...
@emikochan13 I think we understand each others now. And I told you what I believe : I believe that god could exist but we have not proof, and we can't say he doesn't exist (we can in a common way of language, but not in a logical debate, especially against people that we need to convince who are very interest by the "could exist", like Christian, even these guys make the mystake to think he exists).
Atheists must avoid to kill the "could exist" by using wrong inferences. It is sterile.
Interesting you use the word sterile though, since the common language does exist, as a scientist dealing with people that don't know what "theory" means is massively frustrating :p
It's easy to have a debate away from all the factors, things get somewhat more complicated when we mix practical with philosophical.
As I said earlier *some* god concepts unequivocally cannot exist (contradictory) so we can rule those out at least.
@chevycondom That statement made no sense. Atheism is not believing in something. Dumbass!
An Atheist just doesn't believe there is a god, heaven, devil, angels, etc. There is no proof of the existence of god. We need proof. Empirical evidence. The best way to make an Atheist think there is a god is to see a true miracle, like the limp of an amputee spontaneously grow back, by prayer alone.
@UnderManiac No. What you're talking about is agnosticism. Atheism is BELIEVING in the non-existence of god, even it isn't proved. You aren't even able to know what you are -_-.
@emikochan13 Wrong. You CAN'T be an agnotisc theist, because you CAN'T prove that god exist, that's the purpose of agnosticism : doubt. You're dictionnary comprehension is not interesting in face of the real sense of this philosophical way of thinking.
I checked on Wikipedia the definition of gnosticims, agnosticism, theism, atheism. You're wrong. Sorry and feel free to answer me in a cooperative mood. (sry for my weird english using)
@Informatisse there are plenty of theists that don't know for sure, but still worship god just in case.
And I never mentioned gnosticism at any point, I'm talking about the origin and meaning of the words gnostic and theist, If you actually read the wikipedia page, it's right there.
@Informatisse Quote where I said "gnosticism" I used the word gnostic, not gnosticism, this is not semantics - they are different words, which you'd realise if you read the entire wikipedia article. Check your sources before you cite them.
@emikochan13 And when you talked to me about gnostic, that was related to my accusation of gnosticism about atheist. SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GNOSTICISM, saying that we can be gnostic and atheist, etc.
Being gnostic is following the gnosticism, don't play me, please.
@Informatisse I need to clarify you here, we use the word gnostic in the modern vernacular based on the original greek word gnosis, it says so in the article you cited. I don't know how you're continually making this mistake. Just read your sources.
@emikochan13 And my sources are talking about Thomas Henry Huxley, the inventor of the terme agnosticism, a philosohical way of thinking that we can only doubt, meaning that we need to doubt of god existence as doubting about his non-existence.
Don't play again with word. Many atheist wanted to be agnostic but are too retarded to see how they stuck on the non-existence because of the lack of proof of existence. Logical mystake that a real logician can't do.
@emikochan13 I don't fucking care if you play with words when it suits you.
- I said that many atheists are in fact gnostics (following gnosticism)
- You began to denie that, by talking about semantic concepts.
- I don't care, I'm talking about something : gnosticism. Period.
- There is perhaps an other definition or other related definition related to the roots of the word, I don't care, again : I'm talking about something specific.
@Informatisse I am not playing with you, I was not expanding on your point, i was correcting you. Why would you talk about gnosticism in a conversation that has nothing to do with it? You're the one playing with words.
An agnostic belief is anything where you don't know for sure, this has little to do with the theistic belief system gnosticism.
If you wish to talk about gnosticism, this is a pretty random place to do so.
@emikochan13 Proof that you're not reading correctly the entiere conversation : I did a mystake on my last post, I used gnosticism when I wanted to talk about agnosticsm as in my first post in this video one week ago (in page 2).
So our conversation is done. You're not foolowing the debate, you're using word playing and you're a kid. Seriously, you're busted.
@Informatisse No, you got your definition wrong. An agnostic doesn't believe in god necessarily, but doesn't discount that he exists. An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in any kind of supernatural being, such as god or the devil. Try looking it up. We don't BELIEVE there is no god. We see no evidence that proves there is a god, so god does not exist. It is not a belief system. We don't practice atheism, we don't gather and sing atheist hymns and pray to pigeons..
@UnderManlac The definition of atheism is "saying there is no god" = "god does not exist", wich is precisely what you said, and wich is precisely NOT agnosticism that doubt and can't say if god exists or not.
I can't lay hand on your comment I replied that you're an agnostic and not an atheist. But if I said it, I'm sure I had good reasons.
@UnderManlac And by the way, you're making a mystake : if you can't prove that something exists, that doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
There is many examples of things that existed without any form of consciousness to feel them and prove their existence : the universe is a good one.
So, being an atheist is not reasonnable neither optimized. If you're intelligent you have to be agnostic and stop confusing god and santa clause or other unicorns.
@Informatisse I am not making a mistake. There is no way to prove god exists. Any atheist, agnostic, and theist will tell you that. However, I can't disprove it either. You can't disprove that an invisible pink winged dragon doesn't live in my garage either. If I say it exists then it does, by your reasoning, no evidence is necessary.
The universe has been proven to exist. It's not just guess work, or faith. That is a terrible example you offer.
@UnderManlac You're making a mystake not because God could exists, but because we can't SAY he does not exists. That's a logic you must understand, it is a priority or all your thoughts are corrupted by a false reasoning.
The fact that we can't say that something does not exist DOES NOT MEAN that it exists. It the inference dynamic of logic. Like the universe, we could discover something about god one day.
@Informatisse Of course atheists say he does not exist. We realize that the bible is just a book of stories. We also realize that ancient man had to have some way to explain the world around them. Not having any kind of scientific knowledge, they made up the notion of gods to explain how everything came into being. It's an old idea that theists cling onto as if it were real.
@UnderManlac Blablabla and blablbla, You didn't read at all what I explained to emikochan about wrong inference and fasle reasonings. You can't really say that something does not exists, we just can't say it exists.
Yeah...they do talk about God a lot. Same with KKK members. They talk about Black people and Jews a lot.
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@BishounenLuvr Yes, KKK members do talk about Black people, and Jews because they exist silly!
bigfamily7718 1 week ago
@bigfamily7718 O.o
BishounenLuvr 1 week ago
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wootwoot3211 3 months ago 3
@1:39 Little mini spaz attack?
littlesaresare 3 months ago
@machado231097 Ooohhh... I didn't know that... smart usage for a book you'd never want to read... maybe I'll do that with my sister's copy of the Twilight saga :o
sheaofleaves124 3 months ago
@sheaofleaves124 the thing is, a lot of atheist do read the bible and know it well lol
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@Tekeydieb Oh... I look on the Internet for stuff in the Bible :|
sheaofleaves124 3 weeks ago
@machado231097 It's satire man, that's what he does, he's an athiest
natestubs1 3 months ago 3
CHECKMATE, NOTHINGISTS!!
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@machado231097 and they criticize morale on evolution , its funny to quote Joshua book to a christian, a book full of injustice, murder, and robbery, from a man to leads in evil way in the name of god. All Christians are in the side of Joshua. than is funny.....no, that is scary
otaku3d 4 months ago
@machado231097 Fool! I just hope that some day you come to realize that if you ever criticized yourself with the same immature ferocity that you criticize others, you would then realize what a double standard self righteous fool you are. Anyway, I've said enough. If you think I give a damn about the immature comments of a schmuck like you, think again!
twombonu 5 months ago
@machado231097 believe me, you are not in a position to lecture me on self righteousness. I don't like your attitude, but again, what should I expect from a schmuck? I just hope some day you realize how wrong you are to think you're so right.
twombonu 5 months ago
@machado231097 National socialist! Socialists and liberals want to abolish religion. Many German Christians conspired to assassinate Hitler. Atheists are just as self righteous as National Socialists. Take it from me, don't try to reason with self righteous schmucks, you might as well try to breathe underwater.
twombonu 5 months ago
@machado231097 How amusing! Another proof that atheists are not as gentle and tolerant as they claim to be.
1) I have met more intolerant sleaze bags among atheists than among any religious group.
2) Where one burns books, one eventually burns people (Famous quote from a Jewish philosopher during the book burning events in Nazi Germany)
Take it from me: atheists are schmucks, don't bother trying to reason with them. Like all schmucks, they are so convinced they're right!
twombonu 5 months ago
@twombonu I beleive in god. give me your money.... God keeps America poor.
burlapsaccrew 2 weeks ago
@burlapsaccrew Men run churches...not God
bigfamily7718 1 week ago
I find it strange that you'd waste your money on this christian stuff simply to make fun of it
sheaofleaves124 5 months ago
@sheaofleaves124 It probably didn't take much to make that necklace, and you can get bibles at thrift stores for a dollar.
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@sheaofleaves124
why not, i buy gift shop items of my favorite football club but i am completely aware of the fact that they suck big time and have a smaller chance to survive this season than an ice cube in hell
realbojay 5 months ago
really? this is your argument??? really?? i mean, to upload this video you had to take your time, edit it and upload it to your account... in any point of that process did it occur to you to think your argument through a bit more? cmon dude, this gotta be some kind of joke
shreder89 5 months ago
@shreder89 This IS a joke. Read his channel page.
thewakkydude 5 months ago
What separates the Christian deistic figure than any other God?
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
losing players go: GODDAMN
b1gbudda 5 months ago
why is a cross your symbol, its the machine on wich jesus was killed, so funny
b1gbudda 5 months ago
I believe in God, but this is funny!!!
ihateneveen 5 months ago
That is some funny s$#t! But I still believe in JESUS. BTW: You've got some great music. But,... no originals? no original thoughts? hmm!
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
you made a mistake on the title
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conroyale1 6 months ago
dogs cats and pigs don't have gods but people do, why? LOL
DrDeathRNMD98 6 months ago
Why are atheists so obsessed with religion? real Atheists say nothing about religion, the ones looking for attention, aka fake atheists are the ones who are questioning religion. Its funny some atheists say they dont like organized religions but still call atheism a religion. Its not a religion its an absence of religion.
excelx213 6 months ago
lol EdwardCurrent is a satirist. He isn't really a Christian. In fact he's making fun of their bigotry.
ImSofaKingGood 6 months ago
I'm assuming all the F-Bombs in the comments are from the atheists?
SCOTTYBEE4JC 6 months ago
0:51 People discuss all sorts of things they know aren't real, like movies with fantastical elements. You seem to be claiming that it makes no sense to talk about any movie which it is known isn't real.
MethanolCH3OH 6 months ago
or christens believe in to much
mrKottonmouthking121 6 months ago
Goddamn it, kid, you're killing me.
There is no god until Jesus comes down and slaps me in the motherfucking face.
There is a storm, right now, and I command your magical sky daddy to shoot me in the face with a bolt of "FUCK YOU".
YOU'RE NOT INTELLECTUAL. YOUR GOD IT NOTHING BUT A LIE.
I'm sorry, but we're trying to deter what's been going on for 2010 fuckin' years, man, that's why we're so fuckin' obsessed.
Why are you so obsessed with something you've only been taught about?! FUUUUUUUCK!
PixieStixxandAdderal 6 months ago
So, god exists because you wear a necklace...?
What?
TheLiveRevolutionary 6 months ago
@TheLiveRevolutionary It's just satire dude lol. This guys a die hard atheist
xDarkside101x 6 months ago
@xDarkside101x I know. I didn't realize it until about two videos later. I feel stupid. It's a sign of an excellent troll. :D
TheLiveRevolutionary 6 months ago
@TheLiveRevolutionary I fell for it too lol. The more he can fool ya, the better the troll
xDarkside101x 6 months ago
I forgot to add every religion is fake and there's no God(s). End of the story.
BlueSmoke87 6 months ago
I'm a commie and I'll bring the whole world down If given a chance since I'm a satanic Atheist.
BlueSmoke87 6 months ago
i put a cross on my gnat bite and it stopped itching :O proof :O:O lloll
BRAD110295 6 months ago
Atheist are obsessed with religion simply because of the bolsevik-hungarian stooges that concluded religion must be wiped off the face of the planet and their agents still rabble about their disdain to institute a political system as they did during the russian revolution in the UK and in America. Atheism IS a decoy plot of events to come which will be revolutionary, much like the red revolution. Repeat history and unlockingthat door is dangerous.
SuperFifthwheel 7 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel dumbass
cripple128 6 months ago
@cripple128 fag
SuperFifthwheel 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel I don't give a shit if people are religious. I like learning about religion because I think it's funny that people can believe in something that ridiculous, not because I'm a communist revolutionary.
cripple128 6 months ago
@cripple128 Whatever you say, commie.
SuperFifthwheel 6 months ago
@cripple128 If anything, Christians are communists. Their Tenth Commandment says not to covet, and wanting stuff that isn't yours is the basis for capitalism.
MethanolCH3OH 6 months ago
@MethanolCH3OH well said, my friend.
cripple128 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel Paranoid much? Sensible (agnostic) atheists choose not to favor any active belief about the origins of or what is external to our reality- because there can be made infinite theories with or without deities so any kind of likelihood of either cannot actually be calculated at this point in time and perhaps never. Lacking belief is just an unbiased view. I actually support religion being kept for historical insight / art, but in a healthier "inactive" state. We're all agnostic.
Furoar 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel
SHIT GUYS! They're on to us! >_>
Quinnshanklin 6 months ago
@Quinnshanklin Who the fuck cares about you anyway?
SuperFifthwheel 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel My family, my friends, me, some random strangers who happen to be really empathetic, and presumably you too, otherwise you wouldn't have responded.
Quinnshanklin 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel Forgot your meds again?
shagoosty 6 months ago
@shagoosty Who the fuck asked you?
SuperFifthwheel 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel Free speech mother fucker. Don't spew conspiracy theories if you can't take the heat.
shagoosty 6 months ago
@shagoosty Like I give a shit about what you think.
SuperFifthwheel 6 months ago
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@SuperFifthwheel Don't spew conspiracy theories if you can't take the heat.
shagoosty 6 months ago
@SuperFifthwheel Lets say God is real, why would he make you so fucking stupid?
Pentagon1337 6 months ago
@Pentagon1337 As far as flaming goes, that comment was brilliant.
Blahb27 6 months ago
everything can come from nothing, if everything can become nothing. theory but much more plausible then BIG MAN IN SKY WATCH OVER ME OOGA OOGA
Revolution2pointO 7 months ago
jajjja el viejo negocio de la religión...nunca se va a acabar, son todas mentiras impulsadas por gente que quiere ser engañada.
elgranjurado 7 months ago
Wow, this guy is such a dick. I sure hope this is just a sketch
dragondeth48 7 months ago
@dragondeth48 It's just satire dude
xDarkside101x 7 months ago
This video is a satire, stop getting all flustered. :|
Justification75 7 months ago
Not all atheists talk about god - I refer v little to god and only saw this vid cos it was on the suggestions lists.
Not believing in god is NOT believing in nothing.
And I am NOT going to hell - not worried that when I die I will just never experience conciousness again - that is fine by me!
purplevolcano 7 months ago
"Thank god that I won this game"
Give yourself more credit, you won, because you practiced and worked hard"
"Thank god that my grandpa lived through that disease"
No, he lived because he did what the doctor said, took his medicine, and maintained a healthy lifestyle.
Jeez people, things happen because we make it so, not because god does.
Axiss360 7 months ago
@Axiss360 Do you know the word 'satire'?
Zoot101 7 months ago
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carlosewm 7 months ago
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@Zoot101 He might do, but we are passing through the unfortunate time that people are in fact so, so stupid that sometimes it's hard to decide whether someone is a completely stupid moron or a smart, critical thinking person satirizing stupid people.
For example, there's this guy "qwertyfshag", his videos are so ignorant that I cannot seem to utterly convince myself that it is NOT satire.
It may be some defensive mechanism to protect myself from acknowledging his complete stupidity.
carlosewm 7 months ago
@Zoot101 yes, I do, but the point is that real christians really come up with these things
Axiss360 7 months ago
When you win a football game, its not god, its the players. The bible is not evidence. Its man written. God did not command anyone to make the bible. Check mate.
westside1love 7 months ago
theres something a little bit wrong, mentally, with people who believe that there was nothing.... nothing..... nothing... than BANG! the universe was created. check mate believers!
TEXS713 7 months ago in playlist Take THAT Atheists! (Satire)
@TEXS713 I highly doubt it's possible for there to be absolutely nothing in the universe. There were probably some elements. The ones I believe are resposible are carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen. Why? C4
GFedFan 7 months ago
@GFedFan so your saying that these elements combined somehow and created the big bang, correct? but dont you see you've arrived at the same question that both sides (believers and non.) ask each other. if there were elements there before the big bang how did they get there? you see i believe that humans dont know everything there is to know about the universe, though we act like we do. i believe there is someone or something eternal that we simply cannot comprehend
TEXS713 7 months ago
@TEXS713 i dont know why some atheists believe that the big bang started it. science can only theorize from the evidence we have, but we cant come to a definite conclusion. to me, the origin of the universe is still completely open to debate, just as long as that debate has emperical evidence instead of batshit crazy ideas from a 2000 year old book of desert fairytales.
mattakudesu 7 months ago in playlist Reverend Eddie Current
@mattakudesu a 2000 year old fairytale book thats been translated, modified, and even paganised. i understand that a giant sitting on a cloud somewhere can be difficult to accept but the theory "scientest" present (and in schools is taught as a fact) is just as ludicrous.
TEXS713 7 months ago
@TEXS713 yes it does seem ludicrous, but how do we know that the origin of the universe will make any kind of sense to the average joe? only scientists and people who study the proper fields of science would understand why its normal, and they give us the evidence to show it. but, peoples intellectual laziness tends to keep them from examining that evidence to understand why such a ludicrous claim would make sense.
mattakudesu 7 months ago
@mattakudesu i agree. and while im not going to sit here and right a book explaining why the big bang theory is incorrect a can clearly see flaws in the theory. it all leads back to the same question, how was the universe created? if it was all created by a huge explosion of hydrogen atoms, where did those h-atoms come from to begin with? what was there before the universe? scientest dont really explain the big bang itself, the therory begins with a huge unexplainable explosion.
TEXS713 7 months ago
@TEXS713 I was being sarcastic... :/
GFedFan 7 months ago
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runescape1sux 7 months ago
not funny
gogolplex74 8 months ago
war on atheistm??? dude you say "you have to love others as much as you love yourself" in your fucking church!!! thats real compassion there!!! and its sarcastic, just in case you dont get it. see, how do you expect on atheist or other people respect your point of view if you are not respecting others??? -_-
erosa71 8 months ago
@erosa71
Edward Current is satire, lol.
acherrybalm 8 months ago
u dont hear the losers complaining about no god because the atheists are the winners =)
dod5959 8 months ago
Atheism is a lack of believe of a god , we or at least i am open minded of the existence of god.
Agnostic Atheist
HeyYouPMme 8 months ago
'they're always trying to shove nothing down our throats'
you're too good at this
GodsArePeopleToo 8 months ago
1:39 this guy is schizophrenic
coda623 8 months ago
Even your pastor hates you! Don't you get the damn message???
coda623 8 months ago
The only religion in the world should be 'Family and real friends'. If we stuck to and priortised that before ANYTHING else in the world, we wouldnt of got ourselves into this mess of 'join my club!!!' and 'your club is wrong!!!', 'lets fight or disagree'. And this doesnt just apply for religion because religion is just another form club no matter what the respective motives are. We have naturally inherited/been burdened with our ancestors clubs.
Silenceap88 8 months ago
he is joking go to his channel
Soultaker1234567 8 months ago
quit tryin to shove nothing down out throats!!!
idrees4515 8 months ago
I think we must search in this world, and at the same time prepare us to the fail in a world limited by another world. Science / Metaphysic is the human way of prospecting.
Informatisse 8 months ago
Damn, many english mystakes in my last posts, sorry :
- toO quickly...
- even IF these guys...
- and the "stupid moron", I should avoid to answer people's insults.
Informatisse 8 months ago
... wich DOES NOT mean that the question is scientifically interesting.
It's just the sincere, honest and mature way of thinking.
Informatisse 8 months ago
Something is not existing (not ever seen) = it doesn't exist = common way of speaking/thinking.
Something is not existing (not ever seen) = it could exist but we've not seen it yet = scientifical way of speaking/thinking.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse you never miss a turn to say something idiotic. You really equate the statements "something is not existing" (which is an awkward and stupid way of saying "doesn't exist"), and "not ever seen"?
astounding.
I guarantee you no scientist would ever speak or "reason" like you attempt to.
tdietz20 8 months ago
Ok, but the problem is : atheism is based on a false inference ("god does not exists"). Trying to discuss with atheists is difficult, because of their beliefs about the subject.
I'm also concerned about their crusade against religions : all religions are not craps, some of them are peacefull and not based on worships (or at least worship is minimal). Some variant of Buddhism and Sufism are mainly based on reflexions and internalizations. Being "religious" is not being dumb.
Informatisse 8 months ago
*Correction : many atheists WANT to be gnostics, but make so many logical mystakes that they fall in the deepness of anti-religion and absurdity like "god does not exists".
There is no god.. in face of our eyes.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I'm glad we're on the same page finally, any atheist that wants to be a gnostic atheist is either wasting their time or intellectually dishonest.
You CAN debunk specific gods though, and end up at a point of "knowing for all practical purposes that there are no gods worth worshipping"
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 You CAN'T end up to that thought, BECAUSE of the absurdity wich lead it.
1. If we have no proof that something exists, it DOES NOT MEAN that this thing does not exists !
2. Saying that there is no gods ("they don't exists") IS A LOGICAL NON-SENSE.
Debunking gods thought based on this wrong inference is hidding a real psychological problem with the concept of god, and a social phenomenon similar to sectarism.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I said "for all practical purposes"
If there are no gods that can affect the natural world (no evidence of any manifestations whatsoever) Then there is no point worshipping them.
I'm not saying "no gods" I'm saying, "no gods that manifest or interact with reality in a way in which we could influence them with our actions"
Don't use a strawman, nobody is debunking gods based on that inference.
If someone makes a claim, the default state is not belief, until evidence turns up.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 Moreover Science is sometime acting like a religion, with dogmas (there is nothing that science can't explain and nothing is out of reach of science).
About changing his behavior regarding to the possibility of a god (or a mystical meaning of life with no consideration for a god), this is not stupid neither illogical. This is open mind and questionning about what can bring us those possibilities. You can't avoir people to act on opportunities.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Science doesn't act like a religion, there is no dogma, no assertion without evidence (except the only assertion that is required for anything, that "reality is real")
I would love to see how you got from "some people follow science religiously" to "science is a religion".
It's important to ask questions, but just as important to treat all beliefs consistently, requiring evidence for anything in accordance with the complexity of the claim (Occam's razor is very useful)
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I said "Sometime science act as a religion". Notice the "sometime".
Yes, sometimes, science act as religion regarding to the domgma "there is nothing that science can't explain and nothing is out of reach of science".
I'm forced to quote myself.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse quoting yourself doesn't make you right, There is nothing in the scientific method (the only rule of science) saying there is nothing science can't explain. Please cite your source
It is a fact, however, that science is the best path to knowledge. If science can't find the answer, nothing else can
It's not science "acting religious" As I said, and you ignored, some people follow science religiously. That has no bearing on science itself, just some of the people that "follow" it.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 So atheism :
- Is based on false reasoning that bring stupid crusades against what atheists see as crap (without trying to separate crap from interesting human reactions).
- Act like a sect : "god does not exists and believers are evil"
- Is not optimized regarding to agnosticism (the Huxley way of thinking).
- Is mainly used by teenagers who search for a community and a cool/smart one (being smart and not a believer is the actual fashion).
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse You make a great deal of assumptions. Also psychology and anthropology are sciences too, I don't know where your first comment came from.
Atheism has no tenets or dogma, anything individual atheists wish to do, has nothing to do with atheism. You can't do something "in the name of atheism". People can say what they are doing is in the name of atheism but it isn't.
Atheism doesn't automatically turn someone into an intellectual, it just removes one barrier to truth.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 Atheism as dogma : by definition, it says "god does not exists".
Agnosticism has no dogma : by definition, it says "we don't know".
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse except that's not what atheism means. Atheism is the rejection of the theist position, on the grounds that their claim has insufficient evidence.
It is not a position on it's own, therefore it cannot have any dogma. Only positive claims can have positions attached to them.
Atheism is ONLY the rejection of theist claims, and anyone that uses another definition is lying to you.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@Informatisse you are so pitifully ignorant of the actual issues that prompt atheist activism. The fact of the matter is you wouldn't hear a peep out of atheists if they weren't doing crap like trying to thwart stem cell research, allow religious dogma to be taught in schools (queue the "evolution is atheist dogma" knee jerk), kill abortion doctors, or blow you up for drawing a picture of your prophet, throw battery, etc. etc. Vocal atheism is a response to that, you feign ignorance about it.
tdietz20 8 months ago
@tdietz20 Oh come on, you have no pity at all, if you had pity you would not be trying to make fun of me. I don't feign ignorance about atheism, you do when you and your fellow the nonsenses guys say : god does not exists. It IS a pseudo-reasoning that smells the self-repressed douchbags.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse no trust me, I really do pity you, but you're clearly so dense that mocking your ignorance is like punching a heavy bag, so youre right, I don't really have that much pity. Youre the one here in the comment section of an atheist satire video, so you're begging for abuse. I simply obliged. However your last commment proves you're too much of a bore to engage, so I'm done with you. Keep wasting your life with your fellow fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishists.
tdietz20 8 months ago
@Informatisse no trust me, I really do pity you, but you're clearly so dense that mocking your ignorance is like punching a heavy bag, so youre right, I don't really have that much pity. Youre the one here in the comment section of an atheist satire video, so you're begging for abuse. I simply obliged. However your last comment proves you're too much of a bore to engage, so I'm done with you. Keep wasting your life with your fellow fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishists.
tdietz20 8 months ago
@tdietz20 Your comment bring so much for the debate and for the people on Youtube that we should thank you for your great eloquence. See? Is my pseudo-argument as good as yours?
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse do you know what "pseudo" means? I'm not sure you really do. It's cute you think anyone but you is reading this crap. I'm not trying to impress anyone but it's clear you are.
tdietz20 8 months ago
@tdietz20 And if saying that "we can't say that god exists neither he does not exist" is being a fearmonfering hypocrite zombie fetishist, saying that he doesn't exist is simply a logical nonsense that definitly prove you're not so smart and lucid that you would be.
Who is the zombi now?
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse To be fair I'm only calling you a fearmongering hypocrite zombie fetishist because you're nothing more than a trolling christian looking to start arguments on atheist vids.
and I've never said "god doesn't exist", moron. All I've ever claimed is that theists are not just idiots for claiming to know that god does exist, which alone is tragic and sad, but that they're assholes for pushing their beliefs into education/medicine/politics
and btw is English your first language?
tdietz20 8 months ago
@tdietz20
- English is not my first language.
- You can't call me a zombi when you try to fight me when I fight people saying that "god does not exist", or it implicates that you defend this wrong inference.
- I'm not Christian. If I was, I'll never say that we can't say that god does exist, stupid moron.
Please, try to read correctly before ridiculizing yourself by answering to quickly.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I'm sorry but many, many, many people are using atheism like a crusade based on a wrong inference, against those they use to have fun and to give a reason to exist.
I fear atheists as I fear fundamentalists. I wouldn't birth in a world full of religious dumb neither in a world full of arrogant atheists. Both act as assholes and distort reality.
If only those who fight fundamentalists were not using mockery and false reasonings.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse You only fear atheists because you seem to think they're something they aren't you are constantly misrepresenting the definition of atheism, it's not mutually exclusive with agnosticism. Any intellectually honest atheist has to be an agnostic atheist. I'm with Richard Dawkins on this one.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 You see, again one atheist saying that god does not exists ! Do you believe me know when I say that atheism is made of wrong inferences?
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Are you referring to Richard Dawkins? Watch his videos, he never says "god doesn't exist" he's a 6 on the scale of belief.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I'm referring to UnderManiac.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse ok.. *reads*
Right... I think you're confusing belief with knowledge.
You can't believe something unless you already think it's real. "knowledge" (real or imagined) comes before you believe.
Honestly I don't even think faith exists... Everyone I speak to that believes something seems to have a reason, even if it's unverifiable...(usually trust of authority figures I'd imagine)
Care to expand on your reason for belief ?
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I don't understand what you're saying. I believe that life exists everywhere in the universe but I'm not sure of this, I don't have the knowledge of it. I just have the knowledge that it is very plausible regarding to the conditions that requires life to be created.
My argument against atheists is only about their wrong way of reasoning. Atheists want so much to toucht the truth that they don't hesistate to use wrong inferences.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I mean, you have enough knowledge to inform your belief. You can't believe something you've never heard of
If you hadn't seen the equation on probability of alien life, or knew about the vastness of the universe in comparison to that equation, I don't think you'd believe that aliens could exist. I agree with you on that subject.
The point i'm making that we have no reference point for gods, where we have 1 example of organic life (DNA) We can hypothetically extrapolate from there
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 About the reference point for god, you can prevent people to think that our reality is not the ultimate reality. People abstract the world from ages, like Platon.
Today, we have the concept of "virtuality", of computing. We can now imagine that our world is made by a computer. This although would answer many many technical questions like how can the universe emerge from nothing, etc.
This abstract aspect is the point, I think.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Yes that is a possibility, though the discoveries about the multibraned universe and oscillating strings that M theory is based on being able to create universes means we don't have to fall back on an intelligence there either.
In quantum physics, nothing ALWAYS creates something, due to quantum fluctuations (probably in the "dark energy" that makes up most of the universe)
Though actually, "nothing" might be a pointless concept, "something" might be the default state.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@Informatisse Just one more point about the "virtual reality" hypothesis. Even if it was the case, our reality is real to us, so we should still be trying to find out how it works. :)
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 As you said, "something" might be the default state :)
So where this something came from? The question is interesting, we can't say this is not.
I say : is we find and answer, we can ask the question again, about this new thing that created the last one.
But : there is the possibility that we are in a world where our means are limited. In a higher world, postulating that something came from nothing is perhaps not the ultimate solution, and the other theory is perhaps not infinite.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@emikochan13 But as you said some actual theories can perhaps explain how can something emerge from nothing... wich is in fact something, etc... If we succeed, this could be the end of the "other world" theory.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Like I said, the jury is out, it's ongoing research, no point discussing it as confirmed yet.
If "something" is the default state, then it doesn't need to be created does it :p the "nothing" would probably require an explanation (if "nothing" even exists, since space is "something")
If "something" is the default state, then you could conceivably get "nothing" by just spreading the "something" out.
Either way we've never found "nothing" so we don't know properties it has.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 Yeah but this default state is disturbing. As Thomas d'Aquin said : "Why something instead of nothing?". All "has" to be created, regarding to this question.
But I don't want to evade the postulate of "something here instead of nothing and with no reason", because it has to be thought and evaluated.
It's... complicated ! The simple fact that we can ask the question is meaningfull for me.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I mean, I would never completly admit that postulate and stop thinking "why?".
It's like forcing me to see 5 fingers when we show me 4, like in the final torture of 1984 from Georges Orwell.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Sometimes there is no reason, no "why". But there is ALWAYS a "how". Searching for reasons is futile when we haven't found the "how" yet.
Lets discover something, then look further into it. skipping vital information does not lead to good knowledge.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 And I think you try to avoid what I said about "exists" or "does not exist". Shall I repeat?
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I understand what you mean by exists or not exists, we're past that. We don't know what we don't know, but assuming anything we can think of could exist just because we haven't found it yet is backwards logic.
Gods could exist, but so far the jury is out, because there is no evidence that doesn't contradict itself. It just follows "human imagination" far too closely.
I'm wary of discussing specifics with you however because you won't tell me what you actually believe...
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I think we understand each others now. And I told you what I believe : I believe that god could exist but we have not proof, and we can't say he doesn't exist (we can in a common way of language, but not in a logical debate, especially against people that we need to convince who are very interest by the "could exist", like Christian, even these guys make the mystake to think he exists).
Atheists must avoid to kill the "could exist" by using wrong inferences. It is sterile.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Well we're in agreement there.
Interesting you use the word sterile though, since the common language does exist, as a scientist dealing with people that don't know what "theory" means is massively frustrating :p
It's easy to have a debate away from all the factors, things get somewhat more complicated when we mix practical with philosophical.
As I said earlier *some* god concepts unequivocally cannot exist (contradictory) so we can rule those out at least.
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MrAJMR08 10 months ago
Thank's for your satire. And you should make it more known that you are not christian, aside from putting it in your description in your channel.
Murtauh 10 months ago
it's so amusing how seriously he is taken - from his atheist haters to his christian fanbase. it makes his videos that much more enjoyable.
clamantuanguyan 11 months ago
idiot!
atheismzero 11 months ago
Fuck this guy is funny. Keep up the good work.
pommyrooter 11 months ago
Hey, Edward Cullen.
You just counterpointed yourself...
You talk about Atheists all the time, so you surely must believe in Atheism, right?
CHECKMATE, IDIOT.
chevycondom 11 months ago
@chevycondom That statement made no sense. Atheism is not believing in something. Dumbass!
An Atheist just doesn't believe there is a god, heaven, devil, angels, etc. There is no proof of the existence of god. We need proof. Empirical evidence. The best way to make an Atheist think there is a god is to see a true miracle, like the limp of an amputee spontaneously grow back, by prayer alone.
UnderManiac 11 months ago
@UnderManiac No. What you're talking about is agnosticism. Atheism is BELIEVING in the non-existence of god, even it isn't proved. You aren't even able to know what you are -_-.
Informatisse 9 months ago
@Informatisse Please don't fail basic dictionary comprehension. a=without gnostic=knowing theism=gods
You can be a gnostic theist, an agnostic theist, a gnostic atheist, an agnostic atheist.
Gnosticism and Theism are mutually exclusive.
atheism is a rejection of theism, it is not a position on its own. It wouldn't exist without theist claims.
emikochan13 9 months ago
@emikochan13 Wrong. You CAN'T be an agnotisc theist, because you CAN'T prove that god exist, that's the purpose of agnosticism : doubt. You're dictionnary comprehension is not interesting in face of the real sense of this philosophical way of thinking.
I checked on Wikipedia the definition of gnosticims, agnosticism, theism, atheism. You're wrong. Sorry and feel free to answer me in a cooperative mood. (sry for my weird english using)
Informatisse 9 months ago
@Informatisse there are plenty of theists that don't know for sure, but still worship god just in case.
And I never mentioned gnosticism at any point, I'm talking about the origin and meaning of the words gnostic and theist, If you actually read the wikipedia page, it's right there.
emikochan13 9 months ago
@emikochan13 You mentionned gnosticism when I mentionned it and when you tried to correct me. Don't be silly. Please.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Quote where I said "gnosticism" I used the word gnostic, not gnosticism, this is not semantics - they are different words, which you'd realise if you read the entire wikipedia article. Check your sources before you cite them.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 And when you talked to me about gnostic, that was related to my accusation of gnosticism about atheist. SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GNOSTICISM, saying that we can be gnostic and atheist, etc.
Being gnostic is following the gnosticism, don't play me, please.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I need to clarify you here, we use the word gnostic in the modern vernacular based on the original greek word gnosis, it says so in the article you cited. I don't know how you're continually making this mistake. Just read your sources.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 And my sources are talking about Thomas Henry Huxley, the inventor of the terme agnosticism, a philosohical way of thinking that we can only doubt, meaning that we need to doubt of god existence as doubting about his non-existence.
Don't play again with word. Many atheist wanted to be agnostic but are too retarded to see how they stuck on the non-existence because of the lack of proof of existence. Logical mystake that a real logician can't do.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@emikochan13 So keep your vernacular term for you, I'm talking about something specific. Or you talk about it with me, or you stop.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@emikochan13 I don't fucking care if you play with words when it suits you.
- I said that many atheists are in fact gnostics (following gnosticism)
- You began to denie that, by talking about semantic concepts.
- I don't care, I'm talking about something : gnosticism. Period.
- There is perhaps an other definition or other related definition related to the roots of the word, I don't care, again : I'm talking about something specific.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse I am not playing with you, I was not expanding on your point, i was correcting you. Why would you talk about gnosticism in a conversation that has nothing to do with it? You're the one playing with words.
An agnostic belief is anything where you don't know for sure, this has little to do with the theistic belief system gnosticism.
If you wish to talk about gnosticism, this is a pretty random place to do so.
emikochan13 8 months ago
@emikochan13 Proof that you're not reading correctly the entiere conversation : I did a mystake on my last post, I used gnosticism when I wanted to talk about agnosticsm as in my first post in this video one week ago (in page 2).
So our conversation is done. You're not foolowing the debate, you're using word playing and you're a kid. Seriously, you're busted.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse No, you got your definition wrong. An agnostic doesn't believe in god necessarily, but doesn't discount that he exists. An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in any kind of supernatural being, such as god or the devil. Try looking it up. We don't BELIEVE there is no god. We see no evidence that proves there is a god, so god does not exist. It is not a belief system. We don't practice atheism, we don't gather and sing atheist hymns and pray to pigeons..
UnderManlac 9 months ago
@UnderManlac The definition of atheism is "saying there is no god" = "god does not exist", wich is precisely what you said, and wich is precisely NOT agnosticism that doubt and can't say if god exists or not.
I can't lay hand on your comment I replied that you're an agnostic and not an atheist. But if I said it, I'm sure I had good reasons.
Informatisse 9 months ago
@UnderManlac And by the way, you're making a mystake : if you can't prove that something exists, that doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
There is many examples of things that existed without any form of consciousness to feel them and prove their existence : the universe is a good one.
So, being an atheist is not reasonnable neither optimized. If you're intelligent you have to be agnostic and stop confusing god and santa clause or other unicorns.
Informatisse 9 months ago
@Informatisse I am not making a mistake. There is no way to prove god exists. Any atheist, agnostic, and theist will tell you that. However, I can't disprove it either. You can't disprove that an invisible pink winged dragon doesn't live in my garage either. If I say it exists then it does, by your reasoning, no evidence is necessary.
The universe has been proven to exist. It's not just guess work, or faith. That is a terrible example you offer.
Where is the burning, talking bush?
UnderManlac 9 months ago
@UnderManlac You're making a mystake not because God could exists, but because we can't SAY he does not exists. That's a logic you must understand, it is a priority or all your thoughts are corrupted by a false reasoning.
The fact that we can't say that something does not exist DOES NOT MEAN that it exists. It the inference dynamic of logic. Like the universe, we could discover something about god one day.
Informatisse 8 months ago
@Informatisse Of course atheists say he does not exist. We realize that the bible is just a book of stories. We also realize that ancient man had to have some way to explain the world around them. Not having any kind of scientific knowledge, they made up the notion of gods to explain how everything came into being. It's an old idea that theists cling onto as if it were real.
UnderManlac 8 months ago
@UnderManlac Blablabla and blablbla, You didn't read at all what I explained to emikochan about wrong inference and fasle reasonings. You can't really say that something does not exists, we just can't say it exists.