I just read an article on US News stating that JD's are actually having to get "creative w/ their degrees...by working as dog trainers and wind farm employees". Creative?! Do u know how disrecpectful that is? Who the fuck wants to train a dog when u have $150,000+ student loans? They have the nerve to call it creative; no it's called desperation! We shouldn't have to graduate T14 schools & go pick up shit at a dog park. Ppl need jobs and the ABA & these law schools need to quit playing.
This is right on the spot. To have a chance of making a decent living as a lawyer you should go to one of the top schools, and even then that chance is closer to 50%. The bottom 50% of the graduating class will be f***ed and there is no way of knowing whether or not you will end up there.
the problem with law is that you don't get skills with your hands. i mean, you don't build or create anything valuable for society. the most noble of your profession may create a will or some document that might make a person rest assured. but the majority of your profession would be more of a benefit as tuna to feed the homeless. lawyers are always known to eat their own ;)
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I'm so lucky to be in the uk, where solicitors and barristers have it easy, and you can practice straight after a 3 year degree and a 1 year bar exam. It sounds like the US judiciary system's crashing and burning!
thinkforyourself2222's comment (the top rated comment) is so true. I was an attorney for 3 years and recently jumped ship. Really stressful, time consuming and ultimately unsatisfying profession. For those of you thinking of going to law school, think again.
As for these videos, they are so funny cause they're so true!!! Good job.
u uphold the laws that are unlawful how ironic. Now when u go to riot and get abused by these law thugs u will see the horror you almost became a part of
You are NOT a 23 year old lawyer. Unless you graduated from college two years early. lawl. The comments you made reveal you as a starry-eyed lemming who thinks "working hard" or "liking the work" means shit. Obviously you never practiced law or did a clerkship. No, I doubt you actually sat and drafted documents for 6 hours a day or had some Dickensian miser of a judge yell at you for breathing too loud. Just go get your liberal arts degree and stay away from lawschool.
Wow if you cannot correctly understand that guy's simple post your reading comprehension must suck. I know it is a hasty generalization but damn you suck!!!!!
CPA's are much more in demand than lawyers. I have a buddy that graduated from a tier 3 law school. He recently scored a 50k per year job at a small shitty firm. In a year when I graduate I am starting at 55k plus bonus ad I only have a BA. I have't even passed the cpa yet either....
Accounting is a very diverse field and there isn't that much competition for a job if you have a 3.5 gpa and pass the cpa. I know accountants that work for the IRS that carry guns when they do liens. I know accountants that spend half their time in court. CFE, CPA, PFS, CIA, and CMA designations are vastly different but all lucrative.
I would rather have no soul than 150k in loans and a T4 law degree!!! =D
my starting salary is more than the average salary at most t3's.
@thinkforyourself2222 Really? You're a 23 year old attorney? You graduated HS at 16? I'd personally say if you can go to law school without burying yourself in debt it's not an idiotic thing to do.
GO TO AN ONLINE LAW SCHOOL LIKE TAFT UNIVERSITY, UNIV OF PHEONIX, CONCORD UNIV, OR ANY OTHER 10TH TIER SCHOOL!!! THE CHEAPER THE BETTER
Ashworth College emphasizes flexible learning through the U.S. postal system and online courses, although these credits wont transfer to your local community college, at least you'll have a nice piece of paper.
TRY KAPLAN UNIV OR GRANTHAM UNIV, THEY'RE NOT REAL INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING BUT PEOPLE DO GRADUATE.
People want to be what they see. Police, teachers, stars are all top choices for kids. As we get older everyone is watching the 50 lawyer shows on TV every night. Until they can make some shows about cool engineers and scientists (don't hold your breath) young adults with no better ideas will follow what they see.
What the public does not understand is that ambulance chasers arise b/c these people are so pathetically desperate to make a living. Sure, a few lawyers will get jobs paying 160k to be someone's lacky, but my sister-in-law makes 140k working 40 hrs./wk. with a Pharm.D.—and she's not half as smart as most of my law school class at the Univ. of Minnesota Law School—or is she? The American dream is being cut off on every side. Judgment day is coming for doctors, too.
@jeremyjcobb As for your sister the pharmacist...oh those jobs will be going away with mail order/Express Scripts etc. Especially with the downward price pressures brought on by the health care reform
What the public does not understand is that ambulance chasers arise b/c these people are so pathetically desperate to make a living. Sure, a few lawyers will get jobs paying 160k to be someone's lacky, but my sister-in law-makes 140k working 40 hrs./wk. with a Pharm.D.—and she's not half as smart as most of my law school class at the Univ. of Minnesota Law School—or is she? The American dream is being cut off on every side. Judgment day is coming for doctors, too.
We need to get rid of 4th tier law schools. I know one school that tells its students to read a case three times because they realized their students cannot read. This is wrong! People like these destroy the quality of lawyering, not to mention end up with heavy debt that they will struggle to pay off and destroy the wages for the rest of us.
@altonhare Texas Southern is a 3T school and requires a 146 LSAT and 2.68 GPA, so I suspect a 4T would have slightly lower standards. But I agree most law students can read.
@Rockynurse that's nothing, get into technology. you don't even need a BA (although one helps as window dressing), and you don't have to take some stupid CPA exam. After 1-3 years of experience you're pushing 75k minimum
@altonhare I think Shaminamoh meant "reading comprehension".
As far as 150 minimum score comment, not true. This kid I know received a 136 (YIKES!) on his LSAT and was accepted into Cooley, a 4T in MI. He is also a recent grad from a 4T UGC. This kid will end up graduating with over $100K in debt and hopefully a friend of the family, who is an attorney would agree to hire this kid as an associate at his small criminal defense firm for next to nothing.
at a CLE yesterday, I met a lawyer who was laid off 3 years ago and is now surviving doing document review. I also met another lawyer who had been practicing for 7 years who was now doing document review. Send a shiver down my spine - I am newly licensed and the market is bad right now with mid-sized firms struggling to stay afloat and solos with very few appointments.
these videos are amazing. are you afraid for your life? this a major scam.
my main piece of advice for aspiring law students is this: take that 100-150K loan and use it to build an original idea or business. Energy and access to renewable materials are growing industries. Clean freaking water that people can drink and bathe with is a problem too right now worldwide. Build solutions.
Law school will only create problems for you and the ABA will never tell you this.
I love how dumb educated people can be. In our society financial literacy is not taught. It is quite obvious to any finance or accounting person that a JD from a junky school is not financially worthwhile if you must go into debt 150k in student loans. The other day I lectured a PHD student on slave debt (student loans). His stupid liberal arts dissertation writing ass is pretty much going to be a slave for 30 years after graduation. He thought bankruptcy would work! LOL
Law school, it seems, was the biggest mistake of my life. I entered law school a very happy young man. Now, three years later, I am friendless, my girlfriend left me for a foreigner with a cute accent, I can't find a job with my law degree, and I'm sleeping in my parents basement on a foldout couch. I didn't go to a top school, and if I close my eyes, I can see myself in a cubicle, overweight and underpaid, balding and alone, commenting on the new coffee machine; my degrees behind me, framed.
As a 23-yr practicing attorney, I can add another rule of thumb: don't go to law school unless you really and truly and deeply want to be a practicing lawyer. It is a very stressful profession, even if or especially if you get a position at a prestigious firm. You will not succeed if you are not really interested in the work. Even then, lawyers as a profession have very high rates of depression and substance abuse. If it's not a burning desire, then do something else.
ha ha you're crazy, Mr. Buddy. I'm responding from my tiny cubicle at my law job I've had since you were probably in high school. I had the luck of starting out when jobs were plentiful and demand pressure pushed salaries higher every year. And it was still really hard but I'm still really glad I became a practicing lawyer. I feel for you guys.
@thinkforyourself2222 practicing attourney at 23 yrs? Hmmm thats odd... specially seing that u need 4 yrs college, 3 years of a law school, and 2 years entry-level experience (usually unpaid) to become a lawyer after highschool? right right right... LOL
@thinkforyourself2222 That is even if you are one of the lucky ones to actually get a job as a attorney. These days only about 25% of law grads actually become attorneys. The other 75% are either unemployed or working out of the legal profession all together. Some are even working as a coffee shop Barista for example making minimum wage. True story. Seen nice young grad working as a Starbucks cashier on CNN. her boss was probably an old HS friend that never even earned a Associates degree.
This video would be funny for those of us who have JDs if the truth about the economic and income-generating value of a JD were not so suicidally depressing.
Please tell the ABA, your politicians, the media, and everyone else that we need to cut the number of law school seats by 60% to prevent the financial if not literal destruction of well-intentioned students' lives.
Judging from the plethora of schools charging as much as Harvard but letting people with half the aptitude in--as well as the complete lack of analytical reasoning shown by TTT grads right up til' they realize they've been had--this could be resolved by invalidating the JD of anyone who took an LSAT and got less than a 162, now and in the future.
Almost every craphole beneath the top 50 would fold up overnight, and prestige of law would be restored.
A law degree is a poor choice, very short sighted and risky.
mochafudgetruffle 3 weeks ago
I want a law degree to protect myself from illegal laws not to be a lawyer.
ewitte12 4 months ago
I just read an article on US News stating that JD's are actually having to get "creative w/ their degrees...by working as dog trainers and wind farm employees". Creative?! Do u know how disrecpectful that is? Who the fuck wants to train a dog when u have $150,000+ student loans? They have the nerve to call it creative; no it's called desperation! We shouldn't have to graduate T14 schools & go pick up shit at a dog park. Ppl need jobs and the ABA & these law schools need to quit playing.
divalizzous 5 months ago
@divalizzous
I always wanted to train a dog on a farm.
Sounds more exciting than sitting in front of a computer.
jabmalassie 5 months ago
This is right on the spot. To have a chance of making a decent living as a lawyer you should go to one of the top schools, and even then that chance is closer to 50%. The bottom 50% of the graduating class will be f***ed and there is no way of knowing whether or not you will end up there.
LomLom333 5 months ago
@LomLom333
What about the police force of some other officer job.
jabmalassie 5 months ago
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the problem with law is that you don't get skills with your hands. i mean, you don't build or create anything valuable for society. the most noble of your profession may create a will or some document that might make a person rest assured. but the majority of your profession would be more of a benefit as tuna to feed the homeless. lawyers are always known to eat their own ;)
redSHIFT69 5 months ago
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CollegeReform 8 months ago
I'm so lucky to be in the uk, where solicitors and barristers have it easy, and you can practice straight after a 3 year degree and a 1 year bar exam. It sounds like the US judiciary system's crashing and burning!
amazzasohowny 9 months ago
thinkforyourself2222's comment (the top rated comment) is so true. I was an attorney for 3 years and recently jumped ship. Really stressful, time consuming and ultimately unsatisfying profession. For those of you thinking of going to law school, think again.
As for these videos, they are so funny cause they're so true!!! Good job.
MrStrody 11 months ago 2
y r all the comments so fuckin long?
MyDonald45 1 year ago
Wow. How fucking cynical. Christ, become a telemarketer and just get it over with.
NavyMedicUSMC 1 year ago
lol, Tanzania. Put those legal research skills to the test, kids! Which countries do and do not have extradition treaties with the United States? :D
CatTheTerrible 1 year ago
u uphold the laws that are unlawful how ironic. Now when u go to riot and get abused by these law thugs u will see the horror you almost became a part of
TRUTHBETOLD10 1 year ago
Haha! Supreme Court? Supreme Fail.. Im so glad i dropped out of highschool and did what i want!
TRUTHBETOLD10 1 year ago
This is f***ing EPIC! I couldn't stop laughing!
jerkchannel 1 year ago
Um... he did not say he was 23 yrs old.
He said he's been practicing for 23 yrs.
tfan68 1 year ago
@ think for yourself
You are NOT a 23 year old lawyer. Unless you graduated from college two years early. lawl. The comments you made reveal you as a starry-eyed lemming who thinks "working hard" or "liking the work" means shit. Obviously you never practiced law or did a clerkship. No, I doubt you actually sat and drafted documents for 6 hours a day or had some Dickensian miser of a judge yell at you for breathing too loud. Just go get your liberal arts degree and stay away from lawschool.
kblair7 1 year ago
@kblair7
Wow if you cannot correctly understand that guy's simple post your reading comprehension must suck. I know it is a hasty generalization but damn you suck!!!!!
CPA's are much more in demand than lawyers. I have a buddy that graduated from a tier 3 law school. He recently scored a 50k per year job at a small shitty firm. In a year when I graduate I am starting at 55k plus bonus ad I only have a BA. I have't even passed the cpa yet either....
Lawyers suck!
Rockynurse 1 year ago
@Rockynurse accounting is boring as fuck, and you must have no soul to do that work
TheDarthHomo 1 year ago
@TheDarthHomo
LOL
Accounting is a very diverse field and there isn't that much competition for a job if you have a 3.5 gpa and pass the cpa. I know accountants that work for the IRS that carry guns when they do liens. I know accountants that spend half their time in court. CFE, CPA, PFS, CIA, and CMA designations are vastly different but all lucrative.
I would rather have no soul than 150k in loans and a T4 law degree!!! =D
my starting salary is more than the average salary at most t3's.
Rockynurse 1 year ago
@kblair7 Ummm "think for yourself" said s/he has been practicing for 23 years.
keoinihaynes 1 year ago
@thinkforyourself2222 Really? You're a 23 year old attorney? You graduated HS at 16? I'd personally say if you can go to law school without burying yourself in debt it's not an idiotic thing to do.
cobbeec 1 year ago
GO TO AN ONLINE LAW SCHOOL LIKE TAFT UNIVERSITY, UNIV OF PHEONIX, CONCORD UNIV, OR ANY OTHER 10TH TIER SCHOOL!!! THE CHEAPER THE BETTER
Ashworth College emphasizes flexible learning through the U.S. postal system and online courses, although these credits wont transfer to your local community college, at least you'll have a nice piece of paper.
TRY KAPLAN UNIV OR GRANTHAM UNIV, THEY'RE NOT REAL INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING BUT PEOPLE DO GRADUATE.
wecangethigh 1 year ago
People want to be what they see. Police, teachers, stars are all top choices for kids. As we get older everyone is watching the 50 lawyer shows on TV every night. Until they can make some shows about cool engineers and scientists (don't hold your breath) young adults with no better ideas will follow what they see.
CadenRolland 1 year ago
@CadenRolland
"Cool engineers and scientists"
Just watch "Big Bang Theory" to see what the mainstream/pop culture thinks of scientists and engineers.
altonhare 1 year ago
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What the public does not understand is that ambulance chasers arise b/c these people are so pathetically desperate to make a living. Sure, a few lawyers will get jobs paying 160k to be someone's lacky, but my sister-in-law makes 140k working 40 hrs./wk. with a Pharm.D.—and she's not half as smart as most of my law school class at the Univ. of Minnesota Law School—or is she? The American dream is being cut off on every side. Judgment day is coming for doctors, too.
jeremyjcobb 1 year ago
@jeremyjcobb As for your sister the pharmacist...oh those jobs will be going away with mail order/Express Scripts etc. Especially with the downward price pressures brought on by the health care reform
MrJumblerr 1 month ago
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What the public does not understand is that ambulance chasers arise b/c these people are so pathetically desperate to make a living. Sure, a few lawyers will get jobs paying 160k to be someone's lacky, but my sister-in law-makes 140k working 40 hrs./wk. with a Pharm.D.—and she's not half as smart as most of my law school class at the Univ. of Minnesota Law School—or is she? The American dream is being cut off on every side. Judgment day is coming for doctors, too.
jeremyjcobb 1 year ago
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jeremyjcobb 1 year ago
less lawyers, more engineers: the former diminishes the American quality of life; the latter has the potential to improve it.
boobtuber06 1 year ago
@boobtuber06
Engineers need lawyers to prep, file, and prosecute, and protect their patents.
altonhare 1 year ago
@altonhare Correct, but they don't need a glut of them. right now we're running a science and engineering deficit.
boobtuber06 1 year ago 2
We need to get rid of 4th tier law schools. I know one school that tells its students to read a case three times because they realized their students cannot read. This is wrong! People like these destroy the quality of lawyering, not to mention end up with heavy debt that they will struggle to pay off and destroy the wages for the rest of us.
Shaminamoh 2 years ago 4
@Shaminamoh
You're lying. Even at 4T schools people have to score ~150 on the LSAT, which is impossible without being able to read.
altonhare 1 year ago
@altonhare Texas Southern is a 3T school and requires a 146 LSAT and 2.68 GPA, so I suspect a 4T would have slightly lower standards. But I agree most law students can read.
wecangethigh 1 year ago
@wecangethigh
HAHAHAHA! texas southern LMAO
At beta alpha psi the average starting salary is probably higher than at that school! Aspiring cpas also only need a BA LOL
Rockynurse 1 year ago
@Rockynurse that's nothing, get into technology. you don't even need a BA (although one helps as window dressing), and you don't have to take some stupid CPA exam. After 1-3 years of experience you're pushing 75k minimum
MrJumblerr 2 months ago
@altonhare I think Shaminamoh meant "reading comprehension".
As far as 150 minimum score comment, not true. This kid I know received a 136 (YIKES!) on his LSAT and was accepted into Cooley, a 4T in MI. He is also a recent grad from a 4T UGC. This kid will end up graduating with over $100K in debt and hopefully a friend of the family, who is an attorney would agree to hire this kid as an associate at his small criminal defense firm for next to nothing.
tmf1977 1 year ago
@Shaminamoh
LOL
Get rid of shitty schools?
That just won't happen buddy!!!
Rockynurse 1 year ago
at a CLE yesterday, I met a lawyer who was laid off 3 years ago and is now surviving doing document review. I also met another lawyer who had been practicing for 7 years who was now doing document review. Send a shiver down my spine - I am newly licensed and the market is bad right now with mid-sized firms struggling to stay afloat and solos with very few appointments.
Shaminamoh 2 years ago 4
these videos are amazing. are you afraid for your life? this a major scam.
my main piece of advice for aspiring law students is this: take that 100-150K loan and use it to build an original idea or business. Energy and access to renewable materials are growing industries. Clean freaking water that people can drink and bathe with is a problem too right now worldwide. Build solutions.
Law school will only create problems for you and the ABA will never tell you this.
wowhornby 2 years ago 9
@wowhornby
I love how dumb educated people can be. In our society financial literacy is not taught. It is quite obvious to any finance or accounting person that a JD from a junky school is not financially worthwhile if you must go into debt 150k in student loans. The other day I lectured a PHD student on slave debt (student loans). His stupid liberal arts dissertation writing ass is pretty much going to be a slave for 30 years after graduation. He thought bankruptcy would work! LOL
Rockynurse 1 year ago
Law school, it seems, was the biggest mistake of my life. I entered law school a very happy young man. Now, three years later, I am friendless, my girlfriend left me for a foreigner with a cute accent, I can't find a job with my law degree, and I'm sleeping in my parents basement on a foldout couch. I didn't go to a top school, and if I close my eyes, I can see myself in a cubicle, overweight and underpaid, balding and alone, commenting on the new coffee machine; my degrees behind me, framed.
normbatz 2 years ago 10
This should be a warning to never to go to law school as a default.
jkp70115 2 years ago 4
As a 23-yr practicing attorney, I can add another rule of thumb: don't go to law school unless you really and truly and deeply want to be a practicing lawyer. It is a very stressful profession, even if or especially if you get a position at a prestigious firm. You will not succeed if you are not really interested in the work. Even then, lawyers as a profession have very high rates of depression and substance abuse. If it's not a burning desire, then do something else.
thinkforyourself2222 2 years ago 32
@thinkforyourself2222
After reading your post, I figure you have 12-18 months before you're out of law.
LeeHHI29928 1 year ago
@thinkforyourself2222 you are not a practicing attorney, you are a 1L
BubbleBuddy25 1 year ago
@BubbleBuddy25
ha ha you're crazy, Mr. Buddy. I'm responding from my tiny cubicle at my law job I've had since you were probably in high school. I had the luck of starting out when jobs were plentiful and demand pressure pushed salaries higher every year. And it was still really hard but I'm still really glad I became a practicing lawyer. I feel for you guys.
thinkforyourself2222 1 year ago
@thinkforyourself2222 practicing attourney at 23 yrs? Hmmm thats odd... specially seing that u need 4 yrs college, 3 years of a law school, and 2 years entry-level experience (usually unpaid) to become a lawyer after highschool? right right right... LOL
herbivore007 1 year ago
@herbivore007 or he's been a practicing attorney for 23 years.
your statement, however, is far more believable.
tariqmohideen 1 year ago
@herbivore007 He is saying that he has been a practicing attorney for 23 years, not that he is 23 years old.
NavyMedicUSMC 1 year ago
@thinkforyourself2222 Sorry but I don't think you're a lawyer.
XxSSjUltimatexX 1 year ago
@thinkforyourself2222 That is even if you are one of the lucky ones to actually get a job as a attorney. These days only about 25% of law grads actually become attorneys. The other 75% are either unemployed or working out of the legal profession all together. Some are even working as a coffee shop Barista for example making minimum wage. True story. Seen nice young grad working as a Starbucks cashier on CNN. her boss was probably an old HS friend that never even earned a Associates degree.
destroyer8604 7 months ago
I'm ready to cry after this. I wish this weren't so accurate. Are we really all trapped? How could this have happened?
Anali02170 2 years ago 7
"Well I've always wanted to go to Tanzania!"
This video would be funny for those of us who have JDs if the truth about the economic and income-generating value of a JD were not so suicidally depressing.
Please tell the ABA, your politicians, the media, and everyone else that we need to cut the number of law school seats by 60% to prevent the financial if not literal destruction of well-intentioned students' lives.
Thank you for producing these videos esqnever.
Whippersnapper7 2 years ago 21
@Whippersnapper7
Iam from Tanzania born and raised why have you always wanted to go there
kichaawetu 1 year ago
@Whippersnapper7 More like 80-90%.
Judging from the plethora of schools charging as much as Harvard but letting people with half the aptitude in--as well as the complete lack of analytical reasoning shown by TTT grads right up til' they realize they've been had--this could be resolved by invalidating the JD of anyone who took an LSAT and got less than a 162, now and in the future.
Almost every craphole beneath the top 50 would fold up overnight, and prestige of law would be restored.
Tokopol 3 months ago