GoGreen18 vs. VenomFangX: Questions for Venom's response to GoGreen!

[onelerv1]

good video man =D thanks!

[meinname11]

kkkkkkkk solid answer this is what i call fact.

[Domzdream]

No no. All you said I agree with.

[wintersfootsteps]

Nice video!

I agree with what you had to say.

[8DX]

Just a note: the Bible never claims all characters in it do the RIGHT thing.. that's pretty much the point. Lot was not portrayed as an especially moral or perfect guy.

In fact many of the "heroes" of the OT pretty much disobeyed God's commands - which is why it makes an interesting read.There would be no way of finding moral values in it if it was full of Goodie-goodies.

Many of the stories in the OT in fact do the opposite - they teach morals through BAD examples.

just my 2h...

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

..and yet God found favor with Lot and what Christian coloring books call "Heroes of the Bible" but not the others. I'm sorry...But even God comes off as a sick bastard with his sick genocide and enslavement.

[8DX]

Well I hope you're not arguing with "colouring book" Christianity =).

Take a look at Michael Ruse's comments concerning Dawkin's God Delusion to see what I mean: ?v=Hhzgg59bVLU.

Oh and I'm an ex-cat atheist =). And it IS a bit depressing to see atheists vehemently arguing against "straw-man" versions of Christianity. I cringe every time I hear Lot and the Sodomites mentioned.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Explain to me ex-cat atheist.

[8DX]

=8)-DX

Ex-Catholic. I was brought up a Catholic. That lasted about until uni and I realized that one can't believe something just because one's parents do.

Ex-CAT would be funny - being a good cat I was reincarnated as an atheist! lol

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

LOL...funny stuff man.

i dunno how you see me in my videos, but i don't hate christians in general. i just don't believe in it and people like VFX and Geerup make me sick. Hell....even The Amazing Atheist annoys me and except for Thunderf00t's atheistic postion....he is almost as arrogant as VFX and I don't agree with his his socialistic views. I'm a Capitolist, baby! :)

[8DX]

I like Thunderf00t's vids and I think you can get away with a little arrogance if you're as clever as he is - plus personality goes a long way =). He was a bit of a prick when Ray Comfort asked him the "who'd you save" question and he said he'd go for the dog.

VFX and Geerup are just terrible - but then I don't make videos: I might make others sick..

[roflschofel]

i eat sinfruit daily :)

[chacharu]

thank you! "please stop telling people you love them, because it's a lie". It felt SO creepy hearing that with such judgmental hatred in his voice.

[BoggiDTerminator]

9:04 FTW

[mossdog427]

just so you know... "global warming" isn't real because it suggests that the planet is consistently warming up as a whole. the equator (generally) is getting cooler while the poles are getting warmer. climate change is a much more accurate term. because it gives more significance to regional climates and doesn't reference earth as one gigantic climate.

[anzwertree]

The prophecy of the fall of Babylon was foretold in the book of Isaiah, not in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.

Isaiah is in the old testament. Gospels are in the new testament. If you're not gonna believe, you can at least know what it is you're not believing. It was not recorded in the gospels. The book of Isaiah was written in Jerusalem and dates to about 732 B.C.E.

If you can find conclusive evidence that Babylon fell prior to the completion of Isaiah, please let me know.

[Akatam0t0ma]

Now that his original video is gone, you should put a link to the video on one of the mirror channels of PCS. Try VenomFangXmirror.

[anzwertree]

The channel venomfangxsite has everything.

[donotresussitate]

"The Bible has a dirty history" That's an empty claim. Just because bad things happen and the Bible faithfully recorded it gives IT the dirty history? The thing that would discredit the Bible would be finding out it lied about those events. You say God can't be proven to be real. Well you can't prove he doesn't exist. Dead in the water there.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

I don't think so. You're grasping at straws and it's sad. It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to hold on to a belief that's as absurd as flying unicorns. Which oddly enough, is in the bible, too.

Job 39:9 (King James Version) "Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?"

[donotresussitate]

You're trying to hold on to falacious belief yourself. Unicorns are not flying horses in the Bible- they are most likely one-horned reptiles similar to the triceratops- one of three dinosaurs mentioned in the book of Job (the oldest book in the Bible) How am I grasping at straws? The Bible truthfully recording a bad event doesn't make the Bible bad. I'm glad you at least quoted a real Bible. Desperate attempt? That's laughable. How about a guy who's editing his comments like VFX is he desperate?

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

....your comment is so stupid that I don't even need to refute it.

[donotresussitate]

Suit yourself. You can only deny God`s existence for so long. You certainly can state as a fact there's no God. I'll tell you what's stupid: you trying to contrast "denying god" and "denying the idea of god based on her logic." You've got to be kidding. If God is a being with infinite knowledge, you would have to be a being with infinte knowledge to state that there is no being with infinite knowledge thus becoming the very thing you're trying to deny exists. Talk about logic. Grasping at straws

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Tell ya what...have God come down from heaven and speak or else shut up. You cannot prove some thing out of nothing.

[donotresussitate]

"You can't prove something out of nothing" You said it. So, how'd we get here then? Logically, I mean. VenomFang edits his comments too. That makes you guys two of a kind.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

ummm...no dummy. he does not approve conflicting opinion. I do.

[8DX]

Hahaha yeah.. unicorn triceratops.

But then the Bible was written at a time when people didn't know too much about natural history. So it's pretty beside the point. The main point of Christianity is whether the resurrection happened or not, rather than accurate biological references in the OT.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Fair enough. Honestly....it's against the believers to prove that Jesus did die and rose again on the third day. I have not seen anything in favor that he did let alone prove his existence.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

As for the triceratops thing....I dunno if I buy that theory.

[Akatam0t0ma]

Actually, the unicorn is a mistranslation of the oryx, not any one-horned reptiles.

Personally, since this argument does not have a very strong ground to stand on, I think freethinkers should stop using it(And I'm saying it as a freethinker myself, obviously)

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

I disagree. The Bible is so ill translated that God only knows what it really means. THAT'S THE POINT!

[Akatam0t0ma]

Actually, as someone who actually CAN read the Bible in its original language, I can say for sure that the unicorn IS a mistranslation!

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Keep drinking the kool-aid, sunshine.

[satvrnvs]

not noah... you mean lot.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Yeah, I already made the correction. But thanks anyway.

[wwhite4243]

Wait, are you saying its "bad" to have a little incest even if you drank too much? Atheists are so intolerant but I will still love them when the Swine Flu Overlord rapes you for all of eternity.

[xxXUNDERTOWXxx]

0:44 the vadility?

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Yeah, a speaking error. Sorry about that.

[xxXUNDERTOWXxx]

no biggy i knew what you meant...

[counterstryke]

Idiotsgonewild you're such a little baby. You sound like a little girl. Go cry me a river. You're like all aesthetics who lose debates. You start focusing on other minor and petty stuff. VFX completely and utterly destroyed Greenie. Trust me, Greenie brought her own embarrassment on herself. Here you are jumping all around the Bible with not true understanding of it. Greenie got spanked.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

*Looks around* Nope, still don't see the Almighty anywhere. I guess I win until proven otherwise. ;)

[counterstryke]

You win? LOL...VFX won over Greenie and you...well you're not even in the game. (BTW the game's not over...we're still in the 3 period.)

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

I'm sorry, but God has not revealed himself to me yet. I'm still openly waiting. I love how arrogant and egotistical all you Christians act on here. It really shows how you're humble religion really is. Just based on that, I'm doing my job.

[xx13moons]

VFX won? Won what? The annual "most-stupidest award?" Are you kidding? GoGreen made an attempt at civil, intellectual, respectful and well-researched discourse - and VFX responded by NOT answering most of her questions. Instead he carried on about 'hellfire', and suggested that Lacy delete her videos - VFX is a scared little ignoramus, and it shows. Only pathetic drones such as yourself would applaud such inanity. VFX destroys nothing, except the brain cells of those who watch his videos.

[buddieG420]

ummm, Atheists dont realy lose religious debates you fool. its kinda hard to lose a debate when your debating against a book filled with fairytales that were duplicated from older religions. VFX made a fool of him self, he had absolutly no valid argument, what debate were you watching?? anyone who takes the bible literaly is an intellectualy weak moron. anything you say on behalf of the bible can be turned around and proven wrong at the snap of a finger.

[gmcjetpilot]

You personally have posted at least 3 vids targeting VFX. You have an agenda & no desire to learn. Get a study Bible, read it. Find the meaning of Biblical teachings. Do you have a google deficiency? "John" is very accurate & we have textual & historical proof that he was an eye witness. See YT vid:

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If you want to throw out 90% of history, because you don't like Biblical history, fine.

LDS, founded by Joseph Smith, has their own teaching, The Book of Mormon.

[gmcjetpilot]

You personally have posted at least 3 vids targeting VFX. You have an agenda & no desire to learn.

Get a study Bible, read it. Find the meaning of Biblical teachings. Do you have a google deficiency? "John" is very accurate & we have textual & historical proof that he was an eye witness. See YT vid:

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If you want to throw out 90% of history, because you don't like Biblical history, fine.

LDS, founded by Joseph Smith, has their own teaching, The Book of Mormon.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Yes, but I made my "agenda" clear. I think he's wrong and I made three videos about it and I'm going to make more.

As for a study bible...I was a Christian from 2000 to 2007. I was a fundamentalist and would have loved Venom back in the day. Thank God I woke up to reason.

[truevoiceofsanity]

I agree he was disrespectful

he can dish it out

he can't take it.

[amessenger4god78]

shut up u stupid peice of shit im kik da shit out of ya. venon ownz

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Wow, the poster boy for Jesus can type!

[grungefreak10]

Venom says 'I love you, so that justifies my pontificating to you and verbally abusing you.'

Well my rejection of the doctrine he preaches is rooted at least partly in the belief that NOBODY deserves infinite punishment for their finite wrongdoings. And nobody deserves infinite punishment for something as stupid as simply being a Non-Christian.

Shawn is a self-righteous, condescending little snot. And a hypocrite to boot.

[JayReviews]

Yes we do, Let me Explain: if you hit a baby, it will cry, if you hit your wife, she will devorce you, if you hit a judge, he/she can send you to jail. its the same crime, but as the athourity becomes higher, the punishment becomes higher. We our sinner against a perfect and holy god, thats the highest authority. Anyways god Doesnt want you to go to hell, that why god had jesus to die for your SINS.

[younhol00]

I had a feeling a fool such as yourself would say not unless God show himself via a sign or the second coming, no you can't prove God exist. Well fool there won't be a sign because for starters you are not a hebrew of the line of Abraham. 1 Cor 1:22, John 4:48, it will explain who gets signs. Also Matthews 12:39. Check this out don't let hate do the talking, you and Gogreen are Weapons Grade Fools and it shows. My advice think logically and stop putting your foot in your mouths ok.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

You're right, it's so damn foolish to ask for proof of some thing I'm supposed to give my life up for. Yeah...real foolish. BTW, if you're going to insult me...mix it up. idiot, moron, and stupid can spiece up your argument.

[nomorepatchwork]

The behaviour of Lot was normal for the times... the sexuality of daughters was tradeable.

Ah, I might video response you... it's too hard to respond in comments section.

[nomorepatchwork]

"Venom does not want to have an intelligent discussion, he wants to preach more hate..."

What a load of rubbish. They BOTH presented intelligent points and if you can't see that you need help.

[voiceofsevens]

The fall of Jerusalem was foretold even before the gospels. Ill quote a bit and add in my text with (this).

Daniel 9:26 Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself (He died for us); And the people of the prince who is to come (Romans) Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (the city & sanctuary must be present during Messiahs appearance then destroyed afterwardshistoric event of 70AD after the life of Jesus.) ...this whole vid full of weak "logic".

[voiceofsevens]

About the destruction of Jerusalem. Actually it was fortold even earlier than the gospels. In the book of Daniel. I'll quote a peice, text in parenthasis is mine...

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself (for the sins of others); And the people of the prince who is to come(Romans) Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (the city & temple must be standing during the Messiah appearance, and destroyed afterwards)... historic fact of 70AD... 2 easy

[dethl]

Regardless of GoGreen18's logic I found that VenomFangX's first two minutes in his response to be absolutely tasteless and akin to bullying and threatening.

He tells her to take down all her videos or leave YouTube, then tells her that she is in danger for her beliefs. I flagged his video response as bullying and suggest others do so. This kind of behavior is against the YouTube TOS.

[superbill2]

I find it interesting that what you require as proof for the existence of God has already occurred and still you reject him. (3:52)

Lott's sin as recorded in the Bible (on both accounts) does not prove the Bible is wicked, or that it is not the Word of God or that God Himself is wicked. It proves that man sins, and the Bible recorded some of their wickedness.

Finally are you defending atheism or GoGreen, cause her logic and reasoning was way off and didn't make much sense.

[Adrain30]

I had sex with Noah's daughters...all it took was some rum.

[superbill2]

I find it interesting that what you require as proof for the existence of God has occurred, but still you reject him. (3:52.)

What Lott did was disgusting and wrong "on both accounts" but he was human. And like all humans he committed sinful and hideous acts. Because the Bible records this does not prove the Bible is wicked, or that God approved of this.

Venom doesn't take personal jabs, put anyone down or brag on himself. His religion states sinners go to hell, stating so is not arrogant.

[GreatNewman]

Your an Idiot. Noah having sex with his Daughters? That is WAY false, he had a wife and his children with their spouses, repopulated the Earth. You need do some REAL study before you proclaim fallacies.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Typical Christian response. Yes, it was Lot who had sex with his daughters. Noah just got shitfaced, undressed and partied. SOOO sorry for the mistake. Point still stands.

[chapio]

Sigh...I have come to the conclusion that you just can't talk to these hardcore fundamentalists. You can show them proof and evidence of something but it wouldn't matter.

If the book of fairy tales stated the sky is actually starburst yellow with green dots but we can prove by evidence that it is actually blue. It wouldn't matter...I fear for this country because of these fools.

[JayReviews]

IdiotsGoneWild4life, please repent your sins to jesus christ

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

I tried, but it was a one way conversation. I don't think he likes me.

[JayReviews]

You wont see god until the second coming on the mount of olives in Juresleum, in WW3, like it said in the bible. So having a one way conversation is actually crediting Creation because it said it was going to be a one way conversation in the bible.

[theantichung]

what he meant was that she came to him not to hear his theories but to try and disprove something.

and her logic isnt that sound.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Actually, she wanted an open discussion about what they disagree on. In this case -- THE BIBLE! You're wrong.

[theantichung]

mmmhmm.

Im wrong.

for what purpose does she want this open discussion ?

to understand his point of view and maybe learn something or to stick her god damn annoying nose in to some more bull shit that shes mad about for whatever reason trying to say christians are stupid for the 100th time.

I cant stand this bull shit.

I dont personally give a fuck either way I think theyre both idiots.

quite frankly.

Im not getting in to a heated discussion about this I find it annoying

[theantichung]

and waht would be the point of this open discussion exactly ?

does she want to understand something ......maybe learn something ?

or does she want to try and disprove something.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

Well, when most people get into a debate or discussion, they believe their side is right. But the fact she's willing to have that discussion shows open mindedness. It's also good for the spectators to see both sides.

[18Porchmonkey]

He's a freaking Clone of Kirk Cameron.

His abundant hubris has already caused one downfall for him (Thunderfoot saga).

I get what you mean about the Atheists just agreeing with you. Know that i agree with good logic and not party favourites.

What you have pointed out is logical and true. In fact i whole heartedly agree with the 'stop saying you love me' and the 'agenda bs'

[tmizzac]

VFX should sacrifice himself in the name of god. would that be ironic or just a good thing?

[ohhhshitson]

great video! you made a lot of awesome points. totally lol'd @ around the 4:50-ish mark. the fact he literally believes the talking snake IS disturbing! hahahah

[thelordsfieldhand]

I wonder perhaps if a debate or whatever could be held without the stooping to

derogatory name calling? It has nothing to do with the subject and it only serves to create hostility.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

When a Christian does it...it's all good because it's true. We do it and it creates hostility. I believe one can make a point and still name call. It's just hypocritical when Christians do it.

[TimeCodeMechanics]

The Bible talks about the human condition. The things that go on now were indeed going on then. But the Bible is indeed about humans so there's a lot of things in the Bible that are very bad, but if it Bible was being written today the same would be true (if not worse).

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

The question is...is the Bible the divine word of God? Do the words in the Bible not only have divine meaning, but are they historically accurate? That's the argument. I mean, we have no historical findings of anything regarding the Exodus. When a shit load of people leave....you're bound to find a lot of crap and trails during that time and path. Nothing has been found.

[TimeCodeMechanics]

I believe the Bible the divine word of God that's been tampered with and abused by man. As far as proof goes, it's a faith, which is the opposite of proof. I've seen faith work many times. Even my non believing friends have pissed off by it. Which I don't understand. They're not atheist, just not believers.

[Oblivinati]

God is the one motivating you to try so hard to prove christianity wrong (which you have failed at so far) because he knows you will find the truth.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

No, common sense proves God isn't real. You need a fairy tale to help you make sense of things. That's lazy. Tisk!

[Vztahovacna]

Thank you, I simply love this kind of mental gymnastics :-)

[TimeCodeMechanics]

VenomFangX is as "arrogant" as gogreen18. And if you actually read the Bible there's many things Jesus said that would be considered "arrogant".

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

I disagree. GoGreen18 might be sarcastic at times, but she can be civil to the people she talks to from the other side of the debate. As for Jesus being arrogant? Interesting point of view. Give me some examples.

[TimeCodeMechanics]

Jesus called the Pharisees vipers, told them off to their faces many times. He also said He was the "truth the way and the light". And over all he said He was the Son of God. (Some could see that as arrogant even if it is true).

He also showed anger and even signs of overt racism toward those who were not Jewish. But in the end he still healed both Jews and Gentiles, he loved them both (that was shown in His actions if not His words) and died for all. The Biblical Jesus is rarely commented on.

[JayReviews]

Jesus was not arrogant, when he said he was the truth the way and the light he ment he was the pathway to heaven and the no one goes to god except through him.

[jonstewartfanboy]

I agree he needs lots of  critical exposure, but he should be PERSONALLY ignored. My position is: make videos ABOUT his bullshit, but ignore HIM completely. He is a narcissistic attention/sub/money whore among other things and deserves no respect. PCS is the best way to refer to him afaic. He *earned* that. Just my $0.02... any bs exposure of his is better than none so soldier on!

[Oblivinati]

ur just mad cuz the bibles real.

[yonhee3]

And you're just mad because the bible is bullshit real. Have you even read the bible? If you have you would know to put it in the fiction category. The book itself is real, but it is ALL mythology and fiction mixed with maybe 10% historical facts.

[Oblivinati]

u r so mad rite no bro

[Anidem9]

lol ignorance is bliss for you religious nuts.

[beefygreenapples]

If there is no God what is the purpose of life? Where did we come from?

I find it more logical to believe that this world came be by way of intelligent design..not just happening out of nowhere. Everything we see, the way our bodies are designed is too perfect to "just happen".

If we just evolved from nothing then why are we not still evolving?

[yonhee3]

Well said!

[truthforchrist]

As a devout Christian, I really don't like VFX's tact, nor do I agree with his interpertation of the Bible.

I respect him and love him as a brother in Christ, but he has a lot to learn.

[poodlepink]

You can't prove that God's not there. Logically, you have to admit that he could be.

[yonhee3]

And you can't prove I don't have 100 billion dollars in my closet. So by your logic I could.

[poodlepink]

Of course it's possible that you have a billion dollars in your closet. There's nothing that makes it impossible. Maybe it's unlikely that you have a billion dollars in your closet, but then you have to ask, 'Is it unlikely that there is a God?'.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

That's grasping straws. Point is, unless there is actual proof, you can only take what he says bt faith and that faith comes with no certainty.

[ComisarNolan]

One point you talked about......he quoted "History has a dirty History" Well history tells us that their were many crusades that Better christians than him took part in and there where many crusades at that. Because they read the bible and saw fit to fight with other humans. Fighting over whom has the better imaginary friend so.......he kinda just proved Green's point. >.>

[bbbbggggvvvv]

ok.. we support people in other countires who are in a calamity etc. so if i dont love them then y would i or we support (by donations etc) them? similarly i wouldnt want to tell others about christ and the way to heaven if i dont love them... so it is a love of one human to the other. i hope now u understand it.

[bbbbggggvvvv]

yes it was noahs son. also i dont understand the point of bible being worng because people sinned. and all of them had to face the  consequences of their action. but god forgave the people who repented.

[jonstewartfanboy]

Yes you mixed some in there but you were also addressing him directly. My point is that prick no longer deserves personal recognition given his deceitful bullshit. He has pissed on goodwill, benefit of the doubt etc, while returning to the well of lies, hypocrisy and possibly illegal actions. Poor gogreen18 is hopelessly trying the "nice" approach when he deserves to be IGNORED (at this point) and his ideas ripped apart without due respect, because he hasn't earned any, he unearned it!

[THEGROUND21]

If your gonna comment on the "dirty bible" get your facts right..........Noah didnt even have Daughters he had Sons, are you talking about LOT? and his daughters? how are you gonna say "Noah was the chosen one look at his dirty past" when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about bro, I think you are just hearing things people say and are repeating them

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

You're right, I unintentionally merged the story of Noah and Lot. Genesis Ch. 9, Noah was just your every day drunkard and partied naked. It was Lot's daughters who had a planned and banged their dad yet it was Sodom and Gomorrah that was punished. So thank you for your correction, but my point STILL stands about the Bible's dirty history. So no, I'm not just hearing what other people are saying. I was a Bible believing Christian for nearly 6 years in my adulthood before seeing the real light.

[jonstewartfanboy]

LOL.  All this arguing over literature is just so rich, as if it had anything to do with objective reality. PCS and his sycophants will simply post hoc justify ANY reasoned argument you can possibly make if they run into trouble. That is why there are so many "flavors" they cherry pick literature & post hoc justify their presuppositions. Reasoning w/THEM doesn't work, only debunking them (like thunderfoot does) in the hopes someone not under their spell can wake up and think for themselves.

[jonstewartfanboy]

Dude, at 4:00 you mention he can't prove god so he can't talk about this stuff, and he might agree with you except he is under the impression he HAS proved God. He is the poster boy for the pot calling the kettle black man, reason never works with him. Everyone wastes their time reasoning with Shawn directly (unless they are just wanting lulz at his dumbass responses). Better to make videos deconstructing his lies and deception to the audience and for get that nutbar.

[TheIllegit]

Venom's a genius. Though, your whole spiel about him not being very Christ-like etc. is fairly true. His modus operandi is 'what can I do that will piss off atheists the most and drive them batshit?' Answer:

Censor their comments

Preach damnation

Ignore or marginalize their somehwat legitimate arguments

etc.

and I love that about him.

I'm more a fan of him as the anti-atheist, rather than as a theist/Christian

[GreatNewman]

The Only Fairy Tale here is YOU!

[VinSnipes]

nice

[zephurus]

nice video man, keep up the good work

[skrinkaman]

Bin Laden Lover!!!

[bighaus54]

He does have an agenda and he silences everyone who doesnt agree with him. I have posted comments on his videos several times and he has deleted them.

[IdiotsGoneWild4life]

You're 100% right! I posted a a few respectful disagreements and he refused to accept the. If you look closely, he only posts comments that agree and support his views. That should say some thing to everyone about his egotistical personality. I won't silence anyone here.

[bighaus54]

Well silencing me would do no good to you anyway, I agree with you lol. He didnt really refute anything she said anyway. All he did was piss and moan about how she is an agent of satan and that she obviously is ignorant which I found funny coming from him.

[bamasblldogs]

GO MAN GO!!!!!

[smileychan999]

hooray for biblical incest XD world's biggest jerry springer show....

[harpo10]

You mean Shawn Karon?