"Back"stab System in Team Fortress 2

[Reaper46234]

If you make any more tutorials (i doubt it seeing the date of this vid) you should add captions or talk in the background about the tutorial, not put it in the description. (BTW I actually like the music)

[rgzdev]

Pro Tip: Use music from the game or similar to the game you are tutoring about, that way you can rest assured that the people coming to your video will like its background music.

[wrcaiowr]

forget facestabbing, this is AIRSTABBING!

[sakisakasan]

instant mute, we meet again

[fortis852]

i like this soundtrack :D

[TheUlsfark]

He forgot facestab..

[HalfZatoichi]

Hah, nice music! RLY!

[q223344]

Omg what is this song? i see you have a good taste of music

[shenaniganster]

hey at least this isn't dreamscape

[legocrazy98]

I like the music :3

[wtfmanwow1234567890]

The developer made the spys bacstab to work on the player blind side

[Lagginator]

Terrible demonstration, backstabs have nothing to do with where the arm is on a class. If you are positioned anywhere in the rear 180 degree arc of a class, you can backstab them. The only reason it looks like there's an advantage to going for the right arm on most classes is that most classes hold their weapon in their right hand and so hold their right arm a little closer to their bodies and farther back. The spy holds his right arm way out front, thus no backstab.

[Renax111]

crabs



[DeathwalkerFilms]

wierd bug, oh and i like the song.

[123123halofan]

@Legazn if you hate it that much just put on you're own music

[nekromax7]

rofld hard at all the psychobilly hate.

pro-tip: if the music is so unbearable to you, mute it or close the video. it's that simple.

[UziGameLover]

Obviously spy backstabs your soul , the back stab is just a cober up

[lucifier007]

wow.nice vid it really helped me not now but as a new player and i like spy it will surely :D.plz made a sniping vid too how HS works according to ping when someones running left or right i really want to know as my ping goes to 180 from 120 sometimes. 5/5 :D

[zdonick10]

Typical gayben hitboxes

[Demonicor]

apparently characters have bigger stab radiuses to their right side than their left.

[marianoxlomas]

what about we all get playing instead of making an idle bot server to find flaws in the game?

[papermarioTTYD12345]

most of the video is just you walking around the enemy >.>

[Legazn]

pro-tip: use better music.

[JeronimoGregolini]

@Legazn pro-tip: people have diferent tastes for music. deal with it.

[cyborgtroy]

@JeronimoGregolini - So don't put any in.

[nintendude8]

@JeronimoGregolini pro-tip: not all people have good tatstes

[redgamma28]

@JeronimoGregolini pro-tip: the people watching the video dont care about your taste for music

[NichtDieseTone]

@JeronimoGregolini

pro-tip: Some people have none.

[iLoveEatingPie]

@JeronimoGregolini Well if you make a public video oriented at a regular tf2 gamer, you should pick the music accordingly.

[CoatedTrout]

@JeronimoGregolini Then don't use music

[PillzHerePictures]

@JeronimoGregolini pro-tip: Screaming into a microphone and bashing/clawing a girder doesn't count as music.

[NamelyVee]

@PillzHerePictures pro-tip: Advice from somebody without any music-making experience isn't cool.

[PillzHerePictures]

@NamelyVee pro-tip: None of these tips are very pro. And how do you know I have little music-making experience? :P

[i7zan]

@JeronimoGregolini I feel sorry for you if that is your taste for music....

[PortedPotatoes]

@JeronimoGregolini pro-tip: listen to the feedback of your audience.

[quakeman00]

@JeronimoGregolini protips .. no ... only you

use diferent music

[shaneme3]

@JeronimoGregolini but this isnt any tutorial music :3

[ougkgdjmdrtunfxufn]

@JeronimoGregolini Pro-tip: People may diferent tastes for music but its doesn`t mean they are any good.

[Sesshyy]

@ougkgdjmdrtunfxufn Pro-tip: Different people have different perception of what is good for them. There is no universal good.

[ougkgdjmdrtunfxufn]

@Sesshyy Sure, kid.

[massampage]

@ougkgdjmdrtunfxufn common sense tip: there is a mute function. and quality of music is determined by personal taste.

[ougkgdjmdrtunfxufn]

@massampage No shit there`s a mute function. And there`s no taste in music. It`s either good or bad.

[PUTNAMEINTHISSPOT]

@JeronimoGregolini Mad Sin? :o

[Busher50]

@Legazn Pro-tip: use appropriate music

[ARFCguy]

I got bored after you showed us the FUCKING AMAZING sidestab possibilities from every single possible angle for the sixth hour.

[OneClawzo]

ITS THE SAME WHIT ALL! WE GET IT!!!

[Dltn97]

stupid nerds that wish they were valve playtesters

[blasterguy101]

welll duuuhhhhh peopel can work it out them selfs m8 with out u makeing a crappy movie about it!lolol

[dredre0702]

the person(characters) right shoulder is a crit that is y u get the knife there

[Snorkai]

they need to make backstabs ONLY FOR THE BACK

to many noob spies running around T_T

[dong2512]

So this must be the reason why sometimes trying to stab a Heavy in a corridor ends up as a failstab (On his left side of the "back") and I get a facestab when I circle to their right (Which is my left side) and try to stab.

Great job Valve! The portable portal sstem you installed on their right arm is working as advertised and goes right to their back!

[asaguda]

@dong2512 Backstabs are backstabs if the engine detects a hit to the back or the sides. The reason it looks like you can stab the torso's front is because the 180 degrees are not counted on how the character model's torso is facing, but where the player is looking, hence you can stab them from the front on the right side. Also, melee does not use hitboxes to determine a hit, they use player collision boxes, hence why you can 'stab their weapons'.

[dong2512]

@asaguda Oh, is that right?

That's pretty interesting that hitbox is not used for melee but rather the collision box.

It just might be lag compensation between client and server thing but that might be the reason why melee "hit" sound. (as in the sound they should make when each hits strike the enemy) sometimes play when the damage "ding" sound doesn't even play or vice versa.

[asaguda]

@dong2512 Perhaps. As far as I know, the angle at which your melee hit occurs is measured from the center of the collision boxes, regardless of where on the box you get a hit as well, which helps explain weapon stabs. While I'm not fully sure about all this, it kinda makes sense.

Kinda.

[SenatorJase]

I found myself saying "Please oh please just stab him already" a lot during this video.

[Drainx275]

fixed :/

[MedouTF2]

I'ts was better before!!!!

But there are servers, who we can make " back stab " :D

[d3461772]

so is it fixed already?

[duo317]

The reason they give you extra leanency on the right side is because your knife fires out of your shoulder, like all projectiles/melee do. If you were following someone right behind them you get the advantage of having the extra hit box. Not to mention every class has their right arm cocked back except the spy.

[JeronimoGregolini]

ok, test in-game and come back to tell us :)

[Lortagreb]

No I don't need to. Just look at his head rather than his arms and body. 180 degrees in the back of his head is where you can backstab.

[YoshiKing911]

stupid wmg didnt contact you and just went right on taking your music away!

[JeronimoGregolini]

yeah :/

anyway, no one liked the music :P

[bulldog51]

@JeronimoGregolini I think the psychobilly would workout perfectly to an eternal reward stabbing spree vid

[bulldog51]

oh, also, has any of this been patched or are the right side hit boxes still giant?

[protomous]

@JeronimoGregolini i liked the music.

[Alok1905]

@JeronimoGregolini The music is epic!

[musicfromthedivine]

@JeronimoGregolini i like the music

[JellyProductionsN]

@YoshiKing911 lol one of my videos i removed had music from led zeppelin which is with atlantic and wmg took away the music. they had no right . lol

[donkeydonk127]

Is this after the patch that got ride of quick stab or before? I'm pretty sure its after because he puts the knife up ready for the stab.

[xDaudex]

Stupid music...

[Kramsberry]

It's not that weird, it's just becausethe "back" of the model for purposes of backstabbing is the 180 degress behind where they see

[logameol]

Thanks I'm new in this game

[logameol]

How do you do that stab thing where you make the knife go down instead of sideways?

[JeronimoGregolini]

Hm, for me it's normal. Always when a backstab is possible the knife get that way. Maybe because Shader setting is on High or... Well, I don't know, it's just the standard for me.

[TehG3A3]

Backstabbing.

[ultraanime]

the backstab animation when the knife goes down happens when u do the backstab directly behind ur opponent but if u sidestab or quick stab it sometimes does that normal stab animation

[protomous]

@logameol ts when you are closer to the enemy

[FloatyPineapple]

I think the whole 'Sidestab' thing is to avoid people being able to avoid backstabs by hiding against a wall.

[Je2iah]

Thanks, this explains a lot! 5 stars

[JeronimoGregolini]

Thank you!

[J0n4th4nJu]

So how do you do a backstab without the enemy detecting you?

(Do you use the disguise or the cloak?)

[Zyrisk]

Both. Disguises are primarily to avoid sentry fire while approaching your victims. Staying visible and disguised for long periods of time is an easy way to get caught.

The best strategy is to cloak, diguise, stay cloaked until you find a suitable target, decloak, take your kill(s), repeat.

You should remain cloaked as much as you can, because disguises are not particularly effective against players.

[TehG3A3]

Disguises can work well if it fits the situation. If there is a sniper on 2Fort up where they usually hang out, disguising as a sniper and going up there can nab you a few kills without being noticed.

[Stevoman1995]

Yup.

Once I was disguised as a sniper on the big box in orange X and people just walked right past me, even though I wasnt scoped.

[TehG3A3]

Scoped looking or not, as long as you're a sniper you're likely to not be noticed.

[TehG3A3]

Stay behind them.

[Mrpwnage42]

lol i hope valve doesn't fix this

[JeronimoGregolini]

I hope they fix this asap

[NatertaterTMM]

Why wouldn't we complain about spies, the hitboxes are totally messed up now. You can backstab the damn weapons!

And the muisic reminds me of tenacious D

[KingKirbProductions]

why is this rated so low?

[JeronimoGregolini]

I believe its because the music :/

[AnonymousFortune]

I love this song

[FishType1]

music sucks...

[Schrodinger12345]

yea the music sure sucks

[afinendale]

I <3 your music, Mad Sin is awesome.

[j7x54]

scout worst stab in air hit back !

[maxsonic8]

I agree with Blastmaster face stabs are more common, and fail stabs are even worse...in every game out of 10 stabs i make at least 1 fails...sigh

[TheFlyingHat]

Evidently, all of the TF2 classes have serious osteoporosis in their right arms.

[Blastmast3r]

The backstab was fine until the scout update made the backstab so damn useless and made airstabs,stairstabs and flickstabs near impossible to use.

DON'T make a new system Valve and change it the way it was last year!

[Kuposter]

haha. you're funny. stop reading the forums and play some tf2, bro.

[InsaneProject]

People COMPLAINED about how the backstab system was last year and here you are COMPLAINING about how it is now. What's it gonna take to make everyone happy?

[BlackwingDragon]

Welcome to steam forums' members' circle.

We serve 24\7 whiners, idiots and stoners on their daily idiocy, complaining and dipshittery.

AKA yes, people can and WLL complain about everything, and I do mean everything. Lurking has never been more satisfying than on steam's forums.

But back on topic, I'd rather have a "stealthy ninja class" like the spy have failsafe instastabs like it does now then the whole glitched bullshti they used to have. Because reliable is buttsexy.

[Pleeplapoo]

everyone who didnt play spy complained, now all the spies are complaining. Dont assume that the community is one entity rather than seperate groups with different preferances.

[Kasanizo]

Can you please do some testing with a kritz spy?

I believe he gets the animation from a backstab when it hits, but no sure the amount of damage it does

[Zxaber]

Watch their gun. The gun shows what direction they are truly facing. Most of the world models are made so that the right arm is back a good foot or so, which makes the model's back different from the player's real back. The spy is the only one who's left arm is farther back than his right. Also, backstabs don't depend on hitbox sides. If a player's hitbox is hit by the knife, the server then checks the angle that the player hit was looking. It also uses lag compensation, making facestabs.

[jooozek]

Where would you get that info that melee is lag compensated?

[BounceDK2]

Bugs'R'Us

[LuckyMonkey2367]

THE SYSTEM IS BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE STANDING, NOT WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING

as 'DispenserGoingUp' commented earlier...

[4t0msk1]

fail comment is fail

[777Sir]

Stabbing is not done based upon where you're standing or where they're facing or anything. It has to do with the hitboxes, If you "hit" on their back, it counts as a backstab. the back faces on the hitboxes are set to one hit kill from a knife. The problem lies in the fact that they're obviously rotated in some fashion or you're catching the back of the right arm/shoulder (which holds the gun, so will be farther out).

[NewfDraggie]

Horrible choice in music and it was also much too loud to boot.

Other than that good movie.

[BlackwingDragon]

Of course I'd keep running into your nonsensical things AFTER I tell you to go to hell for protecting an insane person and being an idiot in general =3.

Sometimes I want to look for cameras and see if I'm in a sitcom or not. Fucking comedy script.

[thrash77581]

The "back" part is obviously based on the opposite direction from where they're looking (where their weapons are pointed). Since most of them stand sideways, it doesn't actualy look like their backs.

So basically, if you want to figure out where their back or sides are, look at where they're looking, not what looks like their back. It has nothing to do with their "right arm".

Seems pretty obvious to me. Every position from which you can backstab, you're looking at the side of their head.

[DispenserGoingUp]

The system is based on where you're standing, not where you're looking.

[antman441]

in the heat of battle I doubt this is a big problem

nothing like this has ever happened to me and i almost always play spy

[Monky120893]

wow, the spy got a bigger hit box

[Yakibomb]

Oh, that explains the face stabs. Thanks for the up close investigation! Can you do this with the Razorback and see if you can backstab a Sniper with it on?

[JeronimoGregolini]

The facestabs can be explained with the delay betwen the actual body and the hiboxes. Create a server and test by yourself. Is ridiculous. :D

[Agentao]

Before telling him to stop complaining or whatever, go to about 3:50 and look at where he stabs the engineer from. Sure, its made to prevent wall hugging, but he's an entire engineer's width away and still gets a stab.

[DayManUhhahhahh]

you do know the side stab was implemented to prevent wall hugging right?

[JeronimoGregolini]

Yeah, but since the sidestab only work in the right arm, wall hugging still possible. I told you... Non-sense.

[Mindless2164]

CRY SOME MOOOOORE!

[Milesthefox]

What the fuck is this shit

[dvsjr999]

FYI spy is OMFGOVERPOWEREDWTFCLASS!

Yeah the system is buggy, but in online game play the hitboxes aren't all that crappy(this is sad) because of ping and another mysterious force I can't explain...

Conclusion: Spy is a nice guy. Pyros aren't.

;D bY: Ooh Impostor.