watch carefully. The WC guy was holding back from elbowing the back of the head for at least 3 seconds after they went down. the BJJ guy would have lost in a REAL fight.
@MacFlanahan ofc he can!but why they dont train to do that and they train to fight half an hour on the floor so in the end they can to do a triangle choke and not just simple grab him from his neck?because its a sport!and unfortunately what you are doing in your training is what you will do on the street cause you dont have the luxury to think like "oh his doing that move to me so i will do this to him"!and apparently this wc lolguy is a kid who have never fight in his life and he will never do
@MacFlanaha ofc they do!all the ppl knows but they dont!you havent be in a real fight to feel it but no matter what plans you have before the fight for example punch him in his nose first etc etc when the fight begins due to the adrenaline rush you stop thinking and you just acting so you forgot all and you just attack so you will not search for the oportunity to attack in thes spots exept if you have trained to attack there so when the time will come instictively you will hit these spots!
@DietDoer i agree totaly with you!realy!that why many kunk fu practioners have this problem !but that doesnt mean that all the schools have the same programa of training!in mine and in all the wc schools i know in greece have full contact!no matter what you have learn throw training you will neve do it on the street if you dont spar it!
LOL. i like how WC guy softly taps the BJJ guy 10 times in the back of the neck with his elbow as he goes to the ground, and the BJJ guy just keeps doing his thing, completely ignoring how fatal those strikes would have been in a real fight.
he elbows the guy like 5 times even after he's on the ground already. it doesn't take that many in a real fight, and it sure as hell doesn't take alot of effort to fuck your opponent up with one. why do you think rabbit punches are prohibited in mma?
the choke is irrelevant. mr. bjj never would never have had a chance to set it up. his takedown was too slow.
Ok man, no elbow as you're falling to your back is gonna end any fight. He might have a few lumps on his head, maybe a small cut, but he's not gonna curl up and die from short elbows as he's falling. Throwing strikes as you're falling/from your back just don't pack the wallop to do the damage you're dreaming of (upkicks are a different story). There's no kinetic linking...not nearly enough power. Sorry dude, not gonna happen.
Still makes no sense, big guy. People take bigger shots than that to the back of the head in fights all the time, no one's died yet. Let's also not confuse full blast hammerfists from the top position with short little elbows from the bottom. You can keep dreaming though, if you'd like.
if you truly practice Wing Chun would be impossible to knock him down with a socket in the legs, why should immediately pull a kick or a knee to the face. receives a kick, but do not see anyone stop kick or bong jerk
@TheGanzoman3000 There are a million ways to take someone down. Thats why both of these guys are novices. A more effective technique against a WC guy would be to either pin his leading arm against his wu sao hand and go for guillotine to falling guard or come under the lead arm to an arm triangle grab and then hip throw or heck, even a single leg if done quick and violent enough.
So when two people attack you in the street you go choke the other out on the ground while the other guy is kicking you in the head? And BJJ is the best style in the world? Nobody see that flaw? And look at what the wing chun guy does when that guy grabs him he elbows him in the back of the neck like ten times to demostrate?
@Ben1987X Obviously there is a time and place to use BJJ and other grappling techniques. A smart martial artist will altogether avoid places and situation where they could be attacked by more than one person. Of course, this cannot always be avoided, and this is where fighting dirty comes in. Also, if one of your attackers tries to take you down, if you know a ground fighting art you can use it to counter or stand-up. Grappling is only one part of the complete spectrum of martial understanding.
See this thread is funny, because it´s filled with people who got their expertise from youtube. I train EWT and BJJ at the same place. The reason for this is pretty simple. An EWT fighter on the feet will try to take you out instanttly If he goes to the floor un purpose. It´s to knock out or kill. It´s fairly common to take element from MMA and KM into EWT. Even KM and MT is used. Simply because it works.
LMAO why in the hell r their so many dislikes?? he beat his ass fair and square every times their is a guy who only knows 1 style 90% of the time loses to BJJ and it clearly says in the title "BJJ vs Wing Chun 2"!
This guy is wrong in the distance and has no reaction. Where you fight in Wing Tsun 2 meters away from the opponent and goes (in slow motion) with something that can not be called a kick. 18 months he learned Wing Chun through the Internet ...
These vids are always fun to watch, but as has probably been said 100 times already, its the fighter, not the style. I don't think wing chun teaches that the answer to a mounting opponent is short 2 inch elbows to the back of the head, but that's what he came up with at the time. He didn't have an effective answer to the situation, not because WC doesn't, but because HE didn't.
i say this with the most respect but i feel traditional wing chun is outdated,,it needs to modernize with the times and if u have no ground game in your wing chun then ur not a complete fighter but have major floors in your fighting game
@ramp31 Well i think people need to teach real wing chun instead of their own little modified wanna be bruce lee styles, i personally think modern MMA the judo/kickbox thing only works well for a padded ring with gloves, in a street fight itll be hard to drop into an arm bar and whatnot on the cement or the gravel
@KennHua Well what about take downs? Can you do them on the cement in a parking lot or on the gravel are you willing to role on those surfaces? a lot of people cant the ground is very hard compared to a gym mat, some moves wont work, i agree a well placed take down can end fights, from my judo classes a few of the throws were illegal even on the mats because they could kill even with the padding, those were different than the bull charge take down from the UFC, see i dont know which u speak of
Do you know what I takedown is? It starts standing. My friend who was a former highschool wrestler got into a street fight and all he did was use a double-leg takedown, slammed the guy on grass, knocking him out cold.
@KennHua there isnt just A take down as in one, there are hundreds of take downs, like i guessed you are talking about the one thats common in the UFC, ive seen a lot of ppl take an elbow or knee to the face when using that and get knocked out themselves, your friend needed to be bigger and stronger than him to be able to pull that move off, its no surprise grappling favors a larger person with longer reach,see on the grass is different than pavement or gravel
I was talking about the wrestling takedowns such as single-legs, double-legs, etc. Are you even sure they were even doing a proper takedown? You don't actually have to be bigger or stronger to take someone down. Look at Demetrius Johnson who's 5'3-5'4 and takes guys down as tall as 5'9.
He took him down on the grass so that he wouldn't nearly die from being slammed on the concrete.
@Taud No it isn't. Watch the old Gracie in Action tapes, or Watch a Dog Brothers gathering. And I can use my judo to throw anyone on concrete or gravel. At the place I train we always discuss what we are learning in terms of sport application, street application etc.
@Godsmasher22 No no no, i said you wont be able to do the rolling or laying down moves/arm bars etc on the cement or gravel, of course throws and trips work better man u totally misunderstood what i wrote read it again
It was absolutely not a fair fight. In 0:08 sec WC can actually attack on BJJ's back or neck, or head. Cos this WC guy has only 18 months experience he just let himself being grabbed till himself falled down.
Agree? Not fair at all. If this BJJ guy fight with Samuel Kwok of WC, the result is definitely different!
@charlesdodgeson those elbows would do almost nothing even at full power, they would only cause the bjj guy to not think twice about breaking something of yours
@ikcjjtt No they wont hit back but thats not the purpose of pads, punching bags, thai pads. They make your punch accurate, fast, powerfull, mobility. So yes it wont hit back either, but shurely it will make the person hit harder, better and faster. Proof is there, See all the great fighters from Boxers, Muay Thai fighters to MMA fighters. So if you wanna make a point, do make a point cuz now your comment is like those ellbows in this video. It did nothing.
@ikcjjtt No I dont feel that way as a wooden dummy makes you believe that the arms that you block and hit are real arms of a human. So you are training a fantasy. No hard feelings, but the a man will never stand there they way you train with that wooden dummy firing all those blocks and punches. Even the so called arms aint the real length so your block and punch aint realistic. I believe those training you could do better with a real person. But do your thing if you believe in it..
@minasz i dont understand your logic. And a punching bag will do all of that? We arnt talking about sparring. We are talking about pads, bags, mitts, and wooden dummies. And my point is that wooden dummies do "They make your punch accurate, fast, powerfull, mobility. So yes it wont hit back either, but shurely it will make the person hit harder, better and faster."
@SkemeKOS wooden dummy can also be used to condition knuckles and fingers. You can hit air for accuracy and speed, so those attributes are obselete. And u can also hit a wooden dummy hard and fast-hence conditioning. I have a friend who conditions his fist by punching a brick wall as hard as he can. He also kicks trees as hard as he can. See if you can hit harder than on on a punching bag alone.
@SkemeKOS youre supposed to punch the wood eventually without the pads and condition your bones, thats one thing glove sparring dont bring to the table
its basic knowledge that you have watch out for the takedown when your goin against a JJ artist....that guy just gave him his leg and said "here you go"
FAKE!!. wing chun advancing and backing away do not walk, we push off the front or rear leg. this is a set-up to make wc look bad. and anyway, this BJJ dick cannot represent his art either. he is shit and would have been tagged by even the simplest of streetfighters who have been brawling. exposed back of the head and the weak ass elbows goes to show, if i spar, then he would have been KO'ed in seconds.
no shit, that goes for all martial arts. effectively fighting two or more formidable opponents is unrealistic
the reason being is because of what you said, say you don't go to the ground but one of them tackles you anyways. you're still fucked, except maybe you can get up if you remember how to if you did know bjj, otherwise the best thing to do is just run
@jaiharman1 Dude its a spar between friends who have be training for about 2 years each they are not masters and they aren't trying to kill each other. its not mortal kombat.
Yet another example of a WIng Chunner sucking ass at fighting........... Waiting for typical response........"It's not the art it's the fighter".......... When can we say WIng Chun sucks??
@JoeJiuJitsu when you shut the fuck up and understand the fact that every art has a place and its using the right art at the right time that makes the difference
@TheAdrokk Please, educate me. When is the right time for Wing Chun, please post some evidence to back your statement up. As a striking art Boxing and Muay Thai are far superior to Wing Chun and have proven themselves in competition and self defence. As a Grappling art Wrestling and BJJ are far superior to Wing Chun and have also proven themselves. As a standing Grappling Art Judo is far superior to Wing Chun and again is proven.
@JoeJiuJitsu Wing chun is used for close street fighting, often against more than 1 opponent, using lots of techniques that are illegal in a ring and not something you would use on a friend. For example, the many elbows throw to the back of the head of the BJJ guy. with a small amount of defensive grappling anybody can avoid a take down and defeat a BJJ master. if you want to see some wing chun street techniques cheek out "Extreme Wing Chun Kung Fu Street Tactics"
@TheAdrokk I just checked your extreme Wing Chun and it's all choreographed. Try doing this against a resisting opponent. Also the reason that clip has all postive comments is because they are all reviewed. In regards to your comment about deadly/illegal moves, anybody can kick someone in the balls or elbow them in the back of the head, Those moves aren't Wing Chun exclusive. Also no MA can fight off fully resisting opponents let alone WIng Chun. Running is the best option.
I've seen WIng Chun anti-grappling videos and boy they make me laugh. Any Judoka/Wrestler/Bjjer would destroy that type of takedown defence. And all of those arts can be The De4dly art too. Instead of letting you tap we could just break your arm/ choke you until you pass out. The difference is that these MA's don't need to make sensational claims about being deadly. WIng Chun makes these claims to sell their art, and they don't back it up because it doesn't work. They hide behind "Its to deadly"
@JoeJiuJitsu no one in their right mind would use grappling in a street fight because what happens if you are fighting more than 1 opponent? you can't arm bar 2 guys at once and once you're on the ground with one guy it's weasel stomping day for his buddy. so yes in a practice spar with a friend jiu-jitsu is a better style than wing chun, but outside of these perfect conditions you will run into serious trouble
@TheAdrokk An excellent point, sadly one which is often missed. I've said often that I've no problem with the grapplers, every art has its strengths. I respect sumo too for the exact same reason. One on one, there are so many factors to consider anyway, in terms of relative strength, speed, accuracy that it doesn't depend on style.
But as you say, what happens when its 2 on 1, or 3 on 1? Are you supposed to wrestle all 3 to the ground?? Or do you look for quick incapacitating strikes?
@tanelkagan And what MA do you think works against 3 fully resisting opponents. Please have some prove to back up your statement. Don't just say ----- ----- because it's super deadly. I used to think all that Kung Fu crap worked once upon a time. The movies made it look quite convincing. But I've yet to see some real proof.
@JoeJiuJitsu Against 3 fully resisting oppponents your chances will always be significantly reduced, that's a fact, regardless of what techniques or styles you try to employ. However, in terms of principles (which is what Wing Tsun seeks to teach) I would say that any MA that teaches you to stay on your feet, regain your feet quickly if you go to ground, and hit vulnerable spots quickly (rather than engage in a protracted battle of strength) is one that will maximise that chance.
@JoeJiuJitsu I would also say that you won't see much real Wing Tsun in the movies or generally "on show", because it's not as visually appealing as Jet Li's Wushu. You could possibly say the same for Kali, Krav Maga or Pa-Gua, although Kali has been used in films such as the Bourne Identity and by Nicholas Cage in Bangkok Dangerous.
@JoeJiuJitsu Don't take this the wrong way mate but you saying "Kung Fu crap" generally is only embarrassing yourself. There are so many different styles, each with their own aspects and peculiarities. In fact, if you say "I do Kung Fu", to a Chinese person, they may look at you funny, because "Kung Fu" (Gongfu), really means something like "High Skill". It means achieving skill in a discipline, could be maths, engineering or whatever.
@TheAdrokk Firstly re-read my post. I clearly say no MA can fight off resisting opponents. That includes grappling arts. However, if you did get taken to the ground by a few guys at least you could use Bjj sweeps to get off the ground and run for it. You still haven't replied to my points.
- I just checked your extreme Wing Chun and it's all choreographed
- Please post up some prove off Wing Chun working against a fully resisting opponent.
@JoeJiuJitsu firstly anti grappling is not something taught as wing chun techniques so it's coming from other sources, and what the fuck do you think sprawling is? there have been tons of times when the gracies themselves haven't been able to take down an opponent because of sprawling or other methods. And im not sure if you can find much better of a BJJ fighter than the gracies
@JoeJiuJitsu . and secondly there are very few wing chun schools and fewer truly good practitioners of it, so basing the quality of the entire art off of bad youtube videos is a very big mistake, plus there are very few sanctioned wing chun fights, and i could find just as many videos of people representing other arts getting their asses handed to them. the other video showed the techniques as would be properly applied so im not sure what more you want
"10 year old"? "unintelligent"? I guess you'd rather sling personal insults since we both know you can't argue that Wing Chun is worth a shit. Wing Chun IS just adults playing patty cakes and don't you EVER call it a striking art, YOU DUMBASS MORON.
I love how the WC guy showed that he was elbowing the BJJ guy in the back of the head several times and the BJJ guy kept going like he was jogging in the park. Something should be said for recognizing hits or the WC guy should have just knocked him out or cranked his neck
Main thing here, as someone already pointed out - this wasn't a real fight. It's two buddies messing around. Let me try to explain a few things, from a Wing Tsun perspective:
1) Whatever "moves" someone does, if their not in the range to hurt you, they're irrelevant.
2) Someone grabbing your arm/leg/body, is not necessarily a problem. After all, using 1/2 hands to grab you means 1/2 hands less to strike you with.
3) On the contrary, grabbing you means that they are in contact with you.
(3/continued) - A Wing Tsun practitioner *likes* you to be in contact, because when you're in contact he can feel exactly what you are going to do next.
4) Being "taken down" isn't necessarily a problem either (unless you're unlucky enough to hit your head!). You can strike just as well on the ground - look at the WT guy, between 0:09 and 0:13 he elbows the other guy in the head over and over. If this were real, and those strikes were real, Mr BJJ wouldn't be "winning" this fight!
@tanelkagan you definately can't get as much power striking from the ground. If the WT guy was putting all his power into those elbows, they still wouldnt' be effective enough to do anything more than annoy the bjj guy and make him control that arm(which he did right after the WT guy started throwing the elbows.)
@hanzbabie Well we can agree to disagree. Let me put it this way. You can be the biggest, strongest guy in the world but you can't "train" certain points on your body to be tougher. Eyes, nose, chin (for some people), temples for example are weak points which can be damaged quite easily, and at the very least will cause great pain.
When a person suffers great pain, it hampers their ability to continue to fight. There is nothing controversial here, it is simply biological science.
And when we talk about power we are talking about *pressure*. A moderate force applied through a very small area such as the point of the elbow causes a great pressure, and pressure causes damage.
Also, there's this belief that you need some great big swinging motion to build up speed and hence power. That's simply not true. With training, energy can be focused quickly in a "whipping" motion over a small distance. I've been hit with a "one inch punch" and it takes quite a while to recover.
@tanelkagan - You really are a stupid fvuck, aren't you? The fact is simple that to be a complete fighter, you need to learn both grappling and striking. Morons like you who think only one style is enough are fucking retards who never been in fights before. Quit pretending, stop being a close-minded idiot, and start to accept that one must know BOTH grappling and striking and that your idiotic Wing Chun is not enough by itself ... thats not even mentioning how worthless WC is even for striking.
@spamllpitdept It's people like you that turn an intelligent debate into a slanging match, and render the entire concept of constructive comments almost pointless. No sooner has someone expressed an opinion you don't agree with, you start with swearing and insults. I was prepared to agree to disagree but you can't have that, can you? You have to bully your way through and force the other person to accept, rather than seek to persuade them through reasoned argument.
The difference between us is that I can respect all arts, but you can only value that which you are familiar with. Anything else is "idiotic". I'd bet my house that you haven't studied Wing Tsun anyway. It's not whether you have studied "one style" or not. It's whether you have adequately trained the tools you have to deal with a variety of situations. Anyway, have a nice day.
@tanelkagan - You STUPID MORON, are you really accusing me of not respecting arts while I am the one who said people must learn both striking AND grappling (ie- learn multiple arts and cross-train) and YOU'RE the dumbass pretending Wing Chun is the end-all of fighting? Seriously, mate, pull your head out of your anus and see how little you know about martial arts. Only then can you accept you know nothing and begin to learn. And stop pretending Wing Chun is anything but adults playing patty cake
@spamllpitdept Again, what are you, 10 years old? Can't you have a conversation without using insults? You say you respect arts, then you say Wing Tsun is "patty cake". Don't you see how contradictory and unintelligent you sound?
I have watched several videos of BJJ vs other traditional martial arts, and it is so predictable. In the ring, BJJ would win. However, on the street, BJJ probably wouldnt work as well. In all of the videos I have seen, the BJJ guy charges at the guys legs, thus knocking him on his back. This is probably one of the easiest things to counter if u do not fear for your attacker's safety. You could fake a kick, wait for the opponent to charge, jump, and kick. All you need is to fake a kick and u win!
@umbrella779 then you clearly have no experience in BJJ :/ a seasoned BBJ/ Submission Wrestling fighter can easily pick up and throw another person to the ground. once he's inside your safety zone you're out. and by faking a kick you'll just make yourself more vonourable and defenseless against the charge. and trust me, a "real" charge is nowhere near as slow as seen on this video
This is a stupid video. The so called Wing Chun guy is dropping all principles of the art. He's basically just waiting to get knocked. The good Wing Tsun dudes I know don't wait, they roll right in, when the kick comes they're already on in the inside stuffing the kick while elbowing in the face. When the BJJ guy rushed in on the legs like this a decent Wing Tsun guy would have elbowed him in the spine about 15 times and shot a few knees in the face. But hey, they'll get better...the process...
Ignoring the whole 'which style is better competition' that invariably takes over every martial arts based clip on Youtube, it seems like the Wing Chun artist has gotten slightly better at guarding against shoots. Might i suggest that instead of curling your hand around the top of his neck you go underneath? Kudos to the BJJ for that low kick though. I have yet to find a good defense against low kicks in any style. Most just take it on some other part of the body, but those things HURT.
@PeretsuWiyumo You can sweep low kicks by blocking it with a low kick for yourself (if you're attacked from the left, use left leg), turning your leg outwards while sticking to his. If you turn your torso correctly at the same time, and block/attack with your arms, you can get him on the ground with this anti-low kick move.
Was taught it during my time training WT.
The reason he hooks above his neck, is 'cus he's supposed to keep his neck too low for him to flip him on the floor like that.
@berg89dk should have, could have. would have. The truth is, you have NO ability to control your opponent with complex moves. The more complex, the more likely to fail. That's why MMA is dominated by people who don't use most martial arts, because they're useless.
@MrMaraz42 for the same limited training time, you will gain a lot more power from learning jiu jitsu, compared to WC. You need a lot more time of WC, to stand good against JJ/BJJ.
But here is a puzzle for you: image you fight against several enemies at once? Do you really think grabbing one, and fighting with him on the ground is the best idea in this situation?
And forget about knife vs knife situations, WC practitioner will slice you good.
@MstrKey and 9 times out of 10 its cause somebody two guys where wild swinging and one of them got knocked to the floor and the other guy just jumped on him. its not like normal everyday people know how to shoot for doubles and singles. half the time they just grab you around you waist and just run forward if they can even get their hands on you. honestly for the street any full contact style works wonders, be it boxing, muay thai, contact karate, sanda, sambo, judo, BJJ, wrestling, etc.
@Angel7black yup. The average person can't fight worth beans(I'm one of them) and being drunk makes them far braver than their skill level would suggest lol. The mistake most drunk brawlers make is to try and punch. Striking while drunk is just a bad idea lol. Especially someone who is already trained in striking. Any type of striking. That being said, if those three guys had just grabbed onto buddy and dragged him down.......the result would have been a lot worse.
@MstrKey but u forget that bjj is a sport. IN real fights u bite and cratch out ur eyes go to ur neck straight away. its not so easy just to sit at ur opponent and act like that, just look at ur balls n stuff its lot of weakness still. under real conditions it may not be such superior as many people think
@Greenarrow88 no BJJ is a fighting style. MMA is a sport. BJJ also teaches you how to end the fight quickly. The BJJ style is about eliminating any physical advantages, for smaller people. Biting, scratching etc can be added to any fighting style. They don't take any training.
@Greenarrow88 what makes you think a guy who is good at bjj cant do that shit? a kid can bit, scratch, go for eyes, groin etc... a sport mma fighter could fuck up some street schlub anyday without having to do any dirrty tactics. the guy who is a better striker and grappler under a ruleset that doesnt allow dirty attacks is going to be a beast if hes in a fight with no rules. he has a superior delivery system to employ cheap tactics
@Greenarrow88 All fighting sports are based on battle styles. They're just dulled down to prevent serious injuries. Any martial art can do the same. If you say they can't, then they really don't have much to bring to the table.
@MstrKey neh your wrong . u just havent seen wing chun used properly .
bjj and wing chun is a damn good combination trust me . ! i've use it sparring in camp you know wing chun centerline theory is good shit mix it up with boxing and bjj . be open minded about martial arts
@TheMyns well of course it's good when you add a bunch of other usefull stuff to it lol. Learn you BJJ and boxing, forget about the wing chung and you'll be just as effective. The only good thing about Wing chung that I can see is the quick arm position ability at close range. That can be a benefit to boxers, BJJ, muai tai....even wrestlers. Again. sparring isn't fighting.
@MrMaraz42 Jiu jitsu obviously, it has been scientifically proven and unanimously agreed by experts (By Lazy bastards that watch UFC and think they know shit)
@lusby16 right, so since no one has taken the time to make a video of themselves actually being attacked & put it here on youtube you take that to mean it doesnt work? Tell you what mate, if im ever attacked & manage to defend myself ill be sure to whip out my mobile & ask the guy if he'd mind mugging me again so that i can get it on camera. The vast majority of video here on youtube are either in a gym or are staged for the camera, almost none are actual fights involving a martial artist.
This video proves absolutely nothing. He was striking with the elbow and demonstrating the fact dasmoose was totally open to getting a concussion. A couple of strikes and he would have gone limp and WC would have been on top.
It's funny how this video has been refered to sooo many times. Yet is on a padded surface. I was a wrestler, this WC guy looks like a nimrod. He could have studied BJJ too and still would have looked stoopid. Still though, cough cough... elbow strikes.
Not sticking up for wing chun but the dude ain't wing chun. A real wing chun man wouldn't just stand there waiting for the attack. He would try to bridge the gap to close the distance, or aggressively move in with low kicks and rapidfire punches. At the very least, as the opponent attacked, the wing chun man would be unloading haymakers. I'm not questioning the outcome but I question the legitimacy of the guy representing wing chun. He's not even resisting the takedown. Choreographed?
why do people always say one martial art is better than another , it is always down to the student, bjj is a fantastic martial art . no doubt but the only set back bjj has is that you can only fight off one attacker , a REAL wing chun student would be able to defend themselfs properly
@kelz686 Properly against what?? Another thing....what people call BJJ is simply submission grappling. In the argument of fighting off more than one attacker.. don't get it confused with what Helio Gracie developed which was specifically for self defense.
If there is one style that gives you the ability to fight off more than one attacker...then why arent people using that style in MMA...because if one style can fight off more than one person, then it should be able to beat any one person.
I just think that except talent, you got to have a hell of a master to be a good wc fighter. In bjj your master can be just ok, and still you ll learn something... i dont know if i m clear...
@jeff61177 Agree to the latter, but disagree to the first. A biu tse without thrust will not gouge out the eye, if the opponent manages to close the eye. If the other is full of adrenaline, he will not even feel it while fighting. We tried it out. There's a reason why there is no biu tse in all the kuens of the wing chun where the power for the biu tse comes only from the hand. The biu tse is always done like a punch, but with the fingers instead of the fist.
you can kill a guy with a vertical strike when on your back? You must be enormous. There is no way. Lay down flat and see how much power you can put into the floor from that position. 10 lbs max!!
@getsome1516 no, of course not ''kill'' was so-to-speak, but not only 10lbs you can produce a lot of damage from that position, believe me. of course if you have some strength in you, but in general it is easy.
@lympheneas Those strikes at best annoy, but they do not defeat. I *am* a WC guy, and I know my stuff. To even try to hit from that position shows that this WC guy doesn't understand the principle "hit, when you can hit, do not hit, when you can not".
For the beginner that he is, he does OK, but he is just a beginner.
@krywult excuse me? it a vertical ELBOW strike to the HEAD, can you realize? ''at best annoy''? now I see! ''At best you're spending the night in the hospital'', that's what you must have meant! I just didn't GET it..
watch carefully. The WC guy was holding back from elbowing the back of the head for at least 3 seconds after they went down. the BJJ guy would have lost in a REAL fight.
ratchadapalazzo 1 month ago
LOL!! wing chun sucks!!! did think he even had a chance.
frostyjohn2u 1 month ago
Wing Chun is not a fight like
e0026836 1 month ago
pff you just grab him from his neck or you squize his eyes!lol
13Metal13Head13 1 month ago
@13Metal13Head13 Other guy can do that too. Since he's on top, he will have longer range and be able to put his weight into it.
MacFlanahan 1 month ago
@MacFlanahan ofc he can!but why they dont train to do that and they train to fight half an hour on the floor so in the end they can to do a triangle choke and not just simple grab him from his neck?because its a sport!and unfortunately what you are doing in your training is what you will do on the street cause you dont have the luxury to think like "oh his doing that move to me so i will do this to him"!and apparently this wc lolguy is a kid who have never fight in his life and he will never do
13Metal13Head13 1 month ago
@13Metal13Head13 If you think that BJJ guys don't know about attacking eyes or groin, you're kidding yourself.
Do somme BJJ.
Heck, go to a Gracie gym and challenge them to a no-rules fight.
You will quickly discover how wrong you are.
MacFlanahan 1 month ago
@MacFlanaha ofc they do!all the ppl knows but they dont!you havent be in a real fight to feel it but no matter what plans you have before the fight for example punch him in his nose first etc etc when the fight begins due to the adrenaline rush you stop thinking and you just acting so you forgot all and you just attack so you will not search for the oportunity to attack in thes spots exept if you have trained to attack there so when the time will come instictively you will hit these spots!
13Metal13Head13 1 month ago
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DietDoer 1 month ago
@DietDoer i agree totaly with you!realy!that why many kunk fu practioners have this problem !but that doesnt mean that all the schools have the same programa of training!in mine and in all the wc schools i know in greece have full contact!no matter what you have learn throw training you will neve do it on the street if you dont spar it!
13Metal13Head13 1 month ago
LOL. i like how WC guy softly taps the BJJ guy 10 times in the back of the neck with his elbow as he goes to the ground, and the BJJ guy just keeps doing his thing, completely ignoring how fatal those strikes would have been in a real fight.
jakeisawesome91 3 months ago
@jakeisawesome91 Thats what I said,like a year ago. Im glad someone else noticed it
Joneshing 3 months ago
@jakeisawesome91
Fatal? From his back as he's falling? Dude, get a clue. How about how fatal that choke actually is?
clashcityrocker84 2 months ago 2
@clashcityrocker84
he elbows the guy like 5 times even after he's on the ground already. it doesn't take that many in a real fight, and it sure as hell doesn't take alot of effort to fuck your opponent up with one. why do you think rabbit punches are prohibited in mma?
the choke is irrelevant. mr. bjj never would never have had a chance to set it up. his takedown was too slow.
jakeisawesome91 2 months ago
@jakeisawesome91
Ok man, no elbow as you're falling to your back is gonna end any fight. He might have a few lumps on his head, maybe a small cut, but he's not gonna curl up and die from short elbows as he's falling. Throwing strikes as you're falling/from your back just don't pack the wallop to do the damage you're dreaming of (upkicks are a different story). There's no kinetic linking...not nearly enough power. Sorry dude, not gonna happen.
clashcityrocker84 2 months ago 2
@clashcityrocker84
*see previous comment*
hint: pay attention to the first sentence. hell, maybe even watch the video carefully.
jakeisawesome91 2 months ago
@jakeisawesome91
Still makes no sense, big guy. People take bigger shots than that to the back of the head in fights all the time, no one's died yet. Let's also not confuse full blast hammerfists from the top position with short little elbows from the bottom. You can keep dreaming though, if you'd like.
clashcityrocker84 2 months ago
if you truly practice Wing Chun would be impossible to knock him down with a socket in the legs, why should immediately pull a kick or a knee to the face. receives a kick, but do not see anyone stop kick or bong jerk
TheGanzoman3000 3 months ago
@TheGanzoman3000 There are a million ways to take someone down. Thats why both of these guys are novices. A more effective technique against a WC guy would be to either pin his leading arm against his wu sao hand and go for guillotine to falling guard or come under the lead arm to an arm triangle grab and then hip throw or heck, even a single leg if done quick and violent enough.
Joneshing 3 months ago
Another stupid video... where is the Wing Chun???
MegaCritic666 4 months ago
yea but do that to to some one the same size as you from china
DD23ize 4 months ago
So when two people attack you in the street you go choke the other out on the ground while the other guy is kicking you in the head? And BJJ is the best style in the world? Nobody see that flaw? And look at what the wing chun guy does when that guy grabs him he elbows him in the back of the neck like ten times to demostrate?
Ben1987X 5 months ago
@Ben1987X Obviously there is a time and place to use BJJ and other grappling techniques. A smart martial artist will altogether avoid places and situation where they could be attacked by more than one person. Of course, this cannot always be avoided, and this is where fighting dirty comes in. Also, if one of your attackers tries to take you down, if you know a ground fighting art you can use it to counter or stand-up. Grappling is only one part of the complete spectrum of martial understanding.
theshninja 5 months ago
@Ben1987X bjj is BEST for 1 on 1. doofus fucking idiot think before you speak
MrNimyo 4 months ago
@MrNimyo Yes sure but it might not always be 1 on 1. silly penis of a man..
Ben1987X 4 months ago
See this thread is funny, because it´s filled with people who got their expertise from youtube. I train EWT and BJJ at the same place. The reason for this is pretty simple. An EWT fighter on the feet will try to take you out instanttly If he goes to the floor un purpose. It´s to knock out or kill. It´s fairly common to take element from MMA and KM into EWT. Even KM and MT is used. Simply because it works.
On the floor, BJJ rules, no doubt.
It works well together and is a common combo.
Twona100 5 months ago
@Twona100 tell them!
Ben1987X 4 months ago
bjj > wing chun. End of discussion.
Baertsy 6 months ago
LMAO why in the hell r their so many dislikes?? he beat his ass fair and square every times their is a guy who only knows 1 style 90% of the time loses to BJJ and it clearly says in the title "BJJ vs Wing Chun 2"!
eddiereyes1988 6 months ago
This guy is wrong in the distance and has no reaction. Where you fight in Wing Tsun 2 meters away from the opponent and goes (in slow motion) with something that can not be called a kick. 18 months he learned Wing Chun through the Internet ...
dhevos 8 months ago
What was the submission?
Cristointimo 8 months ago
@Cristointimo arm triangle.
spleenbuster 8 months ago
textbook
donnpoff 9 months ago
These vids are always fun to watch, but as has probably been said 100 times already, its the fighter, not the style. I don't think wing chun teaches that the answer to a mounting opponent is short 2 inch elbows to the back of the head, but that's what he came up with at the time. He didn't have an effective answer to the situation, not because WC doesn't, but because HE didn't.
pandnh4 10 months ago
i say this with the most respect but i feel traditional wing chun is outdated,,it needs to modernize with the times and if u have no ground game in your wing chun then ur not a complete fighter but have major floors in your fighting game
ramp31 10 months ago
@ramp31 Well i think people need to teach real wing chun instead of their own little modified wanna be bruce lee styles, i personally think modern MMA the judo/kickbox thing only works well for a padded ring with gloves, in a street fight itll be hard to drop into an arm bar and whatnot on the cement or the gravel
Taud 7 months ago
@Taud
What about takedowns? You don't need armbars or any submission if you get one good takedown. Takedown's can end fights too.
KennHua 7 months ago
@KennHua Well what about take downs? Can you do them on the cement in a parking lot or on the gravel are you willing to role on those surfaces? a lot of people cant the ground is very hard compared to a gym mat, some moves wont work, i agree a well placed take down can end fights, from my judo classes a few of the throws were illegal even on the mats because they could kill even with the padding, those were different than the bull charge take down from the UFC, see i dont know which u speak of
Taud 7 months ago
@Taud
Do you know what I takedown is? It starts standing. My friend who was a former highschool wrestler got into a street fight and all he did was use a double-leg takedown, slammed the guy on grass, knocking him out cold.
KennHua 7 months ago
@KennHua there isnt just A take down as in one, there are hundreds of take downs, like i guessed you are talking about the one thats common in the UFC, ive seen a lot of ppl take an elbow or knee to the face when using that and get knocked out themselves, your friend needed to be bigger and stronger than him to be able to pull that move off, its no surprise grappling favors a larger person with longer reach,see on the grass is different than pavement or gravel
Taud 7 months ago
@Taud
I was talking about the wrestling takedowns such as single-legs, double-legs, etc. Are you even sure they were even doing a proper takedown? You don't actually have to be bigger or stronger to take someone down. Look at Demetrius Johnson who's 5'3-5'4 and takes guys down as tall as 5'9.
He took him down on the grass so that he wouldn't nearly die from being slammed on the concrete.
KennHua 7 months ago
@Taud No it isn't. Watch the old Gracie in Action tapes, or Watch a Dog Brothers gathering. And I can use my judo to throw anyone on concrete or gravel. At the place I train we always discuss what we are learning in terms of sport application, street application etc.
Godsmasher22 7 months ago
@Godsmasher22 No no no, i said you wont be able to do the rolling or laying down moves/arm bars etc on the cement or gravel, of course throws and trips work better man u totally misunderstood what i wrote read it again
Taud 7 months ago
Where's my comment?
magicdust96 11 months ago
It was absolutely not a fair fight. In 0:08 sec WC can actually attack on BJJ's back or neck, or head. Cos this WC guy has only 18 months experience he just let himself being grabbed till himself falled down.
Agree? Not fair at all. If this BJJ guy fight with Samuel Kwok of WC, the result is definitely different!
magicdust96 11 months ago
@magicdust96
Nope, I dont agree at all.
And the BJJ guy is only a blue belt(thats the very next belt you earn after white)
It takes about a year to get a blue belt so that means that the wing chun guy most likely has more experience.
At 0:08 seconds, the wing chun guy couldnt do ANYTHING.
Apart from maybe making the BJJ guy punch the shit out of him on the ground and snap his neck.
SkemeKOS 10 months ago
Obviously the wing chun guy just won that. He had multiple elbowshots to the BJJguys head. Lol.
onepiece321321 11 months ago
bjj trumps all
jo3yz3 11 months ago
elbows to the back of the head=nothing? his brains would be on the floor
MrChopsticksandRice 1 year ago
The WC guy isn't very good, but I do like the nice polite elbow-elbow-elbow from 0:11 to 0:18 in the back of the BJJ guy's head.
charlesdodgeson 1 year ago
@charlesdodgeson those elbows would do almost nothing even at full power, they would only cause the bjj guy to not think twice about breaking something of yours
iattackenemy 1 year ago
@iattackenemy
Right.Elbow to the back of the head does nothing.
Go see some TV ^__^
IolcanPK 1 year ago
@iattackenemy
Exactly.
No distance and no power.
The BJJ guy wouldve reacted aftter the 1st one and wouldve broke his bones/ground and pound him if it wasnt a sparring match.
SkemeKOS 10 months ago
@charlesdodgeson those ellbows would do nothing. There is no space for elbows with real power to damage.
The WC guys looks very poor and again this shows that you can better focus on real fighttraining then WC wooden dummies that dont fight back.
minasz 11 months ago
@minasz pads, punching bags, thai pads, ect. dont hit back either.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt No they wont hit back but thats not the purpose of pads, punching bags, thai pads. They make your punch accurate, fast, powerfull, mobility. So yes it wont hit back either, but shurely it will make the person hit harder, better and faster. Proof is there, See all the great fighters from Boxers, Muay Thai fighters to MMA fighters. So if you wanna make a point, do make a point cuz now your comment is like those ellbows in this video. It did nothing.
minasz 11 months ago
@minasz well im saying a wooden dummy is no different than those other things.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt No I dont feel that way as a wooden dummy makes you believe that the arms that you block and hit are real arms of a human. So you are training a fantasy. No hard feelings, but the a man will never stand there they way you train with that wooden dummy firing all those blocks and punches. Even the so called arms aint the real length so your block and punch aint realistic. I believe those training you could do better with a real person. But do your thing if you believe in it..
minasz 11 months ago
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@minasz i dont understand your logic. And a punching bag will do all of that? We arnt talking about sparring. We are talking about pads, bags, mitts, and wooden dummies. And my point is that wooden dummies do "They make your punch accurate, fast, powerfull, mobility. So yes it wont hit back either, but shurely it will make the person hit harder, better and faster."
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
@ikcjjtt
Wrong.
wooden dummies are better for accuracy and speed.
Punching bags are a lot better in my opinion because you can hit them hard and also concentrate on speed at the same time.
I only use wooden dummies for accuracy, myself.
SkemeKOS 10 months ago
@minasz
EXACTLY!!!
The only thing I like about wooden dummies is that its OK for accuracy.
But I never use it.
I always train for accuracy using thai pads etc
A moving target(human with pads) is MUCH better for training.
In my opinion, wooden dummy is for dummies LOL
SkemeKOS 10 months ago
@SkemeKOS wooden dummy can also be used to condition knuckles and fingers. You can hit air for accuracy and speed, so those attributes are obselete. And u can also hit a wooden dummy hard and fast-hence conditioning. I have a friend who conditions his fist by punching a brick wall as hard as he can. He also kicks trees as hard as he can. See if you can hit harder than on on a punching bag alone.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@SkemeKOS youre supposed to punch the wood eventually without the pads and condition your bones, thats one thing glove sparring dont bring to the table
Taud 7 months ago
the "wing chun" guy showed he could elbow him to the head...
Ben1987X 1 year ago
its basic knowledge that you have watch out for the takedown when your goin against a JJ artist....that guy just gave him his leg and said "here you go"
AAA2theJ 1 year ago
FAKE!!. wing chun advancing and backing away do not walk, we push off the front or rear leg. this is a set-up to make wc look bad. and anyway, this BJJ dick cannot represent his art either. he is shit and would have been tagged by even the simplest of streetfighters who have been brawling. exposed back of the head and the weak ass elbows goes to show, if i spar, then he would have been KO'ed in seconds.
jaiharman1 1 year ago
@jaiharman1 bjj is grappling, not striking...
cardboardtox 1 year ago
@cardboardtox
then that means that it's limited in it's effectiveness?
ashrocks87 1 year ago
@ashrocks87
no
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
@TruNikkaz
for 1v1 no, but if 1 v 2? you grapple one and the other guy kicks you in the head
ashrocks87 1 year ago
@ashrocks87
no shit, that goes for all martial arts. effectively fighting two or more formidable opponents is unrealistic
the reason being is because of what you said, say you don't go to the ground but one of them tackles you anyways. you're still fucked, except maybe you can get up if you remember how to if you did know bjj, otherwise the best thing to do is just run
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
@TruNikkaz
true, true
ashrocks87 1 year ago
@jaiharman1
by the mystical knockout power of mr. nobody
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
@jaiharman1 Dude its a spar between friends who have be training for about 2 years each they are not masters and they aren't trying to kill each other. its not mortal kombat.
Karascool 1 year ago
@Karascool but Mortal Kombat is so cool, the whole time I was like "Finish Him..."
dannielpreto 1 year ago
@dannielpreto that is true. lol
Karascool 11 months ago
Yet another example of a WIng Chunner sucking ass at fighting........... Waiting for typical response........"It's not the art it's the fighter".......... When can we say WIng Chun sucks??
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu when you shut the fuck up and understand the fact that every art has a place and its using the right art at the right time that makes the difference
TheAdrokk 1 year ago
@TheAdrokk Please, educate me. When is the right time for Wing Chun, please post some evidence to back your statement up. As a striking art Boxing and Muay Thai are far superior to Wing Chun and have proven themselves in competition and self defence. As a Grappling art Wrestling and BJJ are far superior to Wing Chun and have also proven themselves. As a standing Grappling Art Judo is far superior to Wing Chun and again is proven.
Please post up some prove.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu Wing chun is used for close street fighting, often against more than 1 opponent, using lots of techniques that are illegal in a ring and not something you would use on a friend. For example, the many elbows throw to the back of the head of the BJJ guy. with a small amount of defensive grappling anybody can avoid a take down and defeat a BJJ master. if you want to see some wing chun street techniques cheek out "Extreme Wing Chun Kung Fu Street Tactics"
TheAdrokk 1 year ago
@TheAdrokk I just checked your extreme Wing Chun and it's all choreographed. Try doing this against a resisting opponent. Also the reason that clip has all postive comments is because they are all reviewed. In regards to your comment about deadly/illegal moves, anybody can kick someone in the balls or elbow them in the back of the head, Those moves aren't Wing Chun exclusive. Also no MA can fight off fully resisting opponents let alone WIng Chun. Running is the best option.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
I've seen WIng Chun anti-grappling videos and boy they make me laugh. Any Judoka/Wrestler/Bjjer would destroy that type of takedown defence. And all of those arts can be The De4dly art too. Instead of letting you tap we could just break your arm/ choke you until you pass out. The difference is that these MA's don't need to make sensational claims about being deadly. WIng Chun makes these claims to sell their art, and they don't back it up because it doesn't work. They hide behind "Its to deadly"
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu no one in their right mind would use grappling in a street fight because what happens if you are fighting more than 1 opponent? you can't arm bar 2 guys at once and once you're on the ground with one guy it's weasel stomping day for his buddy. so yes in a practice spar with a friend jiu-jitsu is a better style than wing chun, but outside of these perfect conditions you will run into serious trouble
TheAdrokk 1 year ago
@TheAdrokk An excellent point, sadly one which is often missed. I've said often that I've no problem with the grapplers, every art has its strengths. I respect sumo too for the exact same reason. One on one, there are so many factors to consider anyway, in terms of relative strength, speed, accuracy that it doesn't depend on style.
But as you say, what happens when its 2 on 1, or 3 on 1? Are you supposed to wrestle all 3 to the ground?? Or do you look for quick incapacitating strikes?
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@tanelkagan And what MA do you think works against 3 fully resisting opponents. Please have some prove to back up your statement. Don't just say ----- ----- because it's super deadly. I used to think all that Kung Fu crap worked once upon a time. The movies made it look quite convincing. But I've yet to see some real proof.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu Against 3 fully resisting oppponents your chances will always be significantly reduced, that's a fact, regardless of what techniques or styles you try to employ. However, in terms of principles (which is what Wing Tsun seeks to teach) I would say that any MA that teaches you to stay on your feet, regain your feet quickly if you go to ground, and hit vulnerable spots quickly (rather than engage in a protracted battle of strength) is one that will maximise that chance.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu I would also say that you won't see much real Wing Tsun in the movies or generally "on show", because it's not as visually appealing as Jet Li's Wushu. You could possibly say the same for Kali, Krav Maga or Pa-Gua, although Kali has been used in films such as the Bourne Identity and by Nicholas Cage in Bangkok Dangerous.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu Don't take this the wrong way mate but you saying "Kung Fu crap" generally is only embarrassing yourself. There are so many different styles, each with their own aspects and peculiarities. In fact, if you say "I do Kung Fu", to a Chinese person, they may look at you funny, because "Kung Fu" (Gongfu), really means something like "High Skill". It means achieving skill in a discipline, could be maths, engineering or whatever.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@TheAdrokk Firstly re-read my post. I clearly say no MA can fight off resisting opponents. That includes grappling arts. However, if you did get taken to the ground by a few guys at least you could use Bjj sweeps to get off the ground and run for it. You still haven't replied to my points.
- I just checked your extreme Wing Chun and it's all choreographed
- Please post up some prove off Wing Chun working against a fully resisting opponent.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu firstly anti grappling is not something taught as wing chun techniques so it's coming from other sources, and what the fuck do you think sprawling is? there have been tons of times when the gracies themselves haven't been able to take down an opponent because of sprawling or other methods. And im not sure if you can find much better of a BJJ fighter than the gracies
TheAdrokk 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu . and secondly there are very few wing chun schools and fewer truly good practitioners of it, so basing the quality of the entire art off of bad youtube videos is a very big mistake, plus there are very few sanctioned wing chun fights, and i could find just as many videos of people representing other arts getting their asses handed to them. the other video showed the techniques as would be properly applied so im not sure what more you want
TheAdrokk 1 year ago
"10 year old"? "unintelligent"? I guess you'd rather sling personal insults since we both know you can't argue that Wing Chun is worth a shit. Wing Chun IS just adults playing patty cakes and don't you EVER call it a striking art, YOU DUMBASS MORON.
spamllpitdept 1 year ago
@spamllpitdept Yawn...
tanelkagan 1 year ago
I love how the WC guy showed that he was elbowing the BJJ guy in the back of the head several times and the BJJ guy kept going like he was jogging in the park. Something should be said for recognizing hits or the WC guy should have just knocked him out or cranked his neck
Joneshing 1 year ago
Nice sport. lol
Esoparagon 1 year ago
so gay......
albmyslim 1 year ago
Main thing here, as someone already pointed out - this wasn't a real fight. It's two buddies messing around. Let me try to explain a few things, from a Wing Tsun perspective:
1) Whatever "moves" someone does, if their not in the range to hurt you, they're irrelevant.
2) Someone grabbing your arm/leg/body, is not necessarily a problem. After all, using 1/2 hands to grab you means 1/2 hands less to strike you with.
3) On the contrary, grabbing you means that they are in contact with you.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
(3/continued) - A Wing Tsun practitioner *likes* you to be in contact, because when you're in contact he can feel exactly what you are going to do next.
4) Being "taken down" isn't necessarily a problem either (unless you're unlucky enough to hit your head!). You can strike just as well on the ground - look at the WT guy, between 0:09 and 0:13 he elbows the other guy in the head over and over. If this were real, and those strikes were real, Mr BJJ wouldn't be "winning" this fight!
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@tanelkagan you definately can't get as much power striking from the ground. If the WT guy was putting all his power into those elbows, they still wouldnt' be effective enough to do anything more than annoy the bjj guy and make him control that arm(which he did right after the WT guy started throwing the elbows.)
hanzbabie 1 year ago
@hanzbabie Well we can agree to disagree. Let me put it this way. You can be the biggest, strongest guy in the world but you can't "train" certain points on your body to be tougher. Eyes, nose, chin (for some people), temples for example are weak points which can be damaged quite easily, and at the very least will cause great pain.
When a person suffers great pain, it hampers their ability to continue to fight. There is nothing controversial here, it is simply biological science.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
And when we talk about power we are talking about *pressure*. A moderate force applied through a very small area such as the point of the elbow causes a great pressure, and pressure causes damage.
Also, there's this belief that you need some great big swinging motion to build up speed and hence power. That's simply not true. With training, energy can be focused quickly in a "whipping" motion over a small distance. I've been hit with a "one inch punch" and it takes quite a while to recover.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@tanelkagan Look, people have been trying to do that for decades against BJJ fighters in challenge matches. Hasen't worked.
marcosfenrir 1 year ago
@marcosfenrir Sounds like a lot of generalisation there, but as you wish.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@tanelkagan - You really are a stupid fvuck, aren't you? The fact is simple that to be a complete fighter, you need to learn both grappling and striking. Morons like you who think only one style is enough are fucking retards who never been in fights before. Quit pretending, stop being a close-minded idiot, and start to accept that one must know BOTH grappling and striking and that your idiotic Wing Chun is not enough by itself ... thats not even mentioning how worthless WC is even for striking.
spamllpitdept 1 year ago
@spamllpitdept It's people like you that turn an intelligent debate into a slanging match, and render the entire concept of constructive comments almost pointless. No sooner has someone expressed an opinion you don't agree with, you start with swearing and insults. I was prepared to agree to disagree but you can't have that, can you? You have to bully your way through and force the other person to accept, rather than seek to persuade them through reasoned argument.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
The difference between us is that I can respect all arts, but you can only value that which you are familiar with. Anything else is "idiotic". I'd bet my house that you haven't studied Wing Tsun anyway. It's not whether you have studied "one style" or not. It's whether you have adequately trained the tools you have to deal with a variety of situations. Anyway, have a nice day.
tanelkagan 1 year ago
@tanelkagan - You STUPID MORON, are you really accusing me of not respecting arts while I am the one who said people must learn both striking AND grappling (ie- learn multiple arts and cross-train) and YOU'RE the dumbass pretending Wing Chun is the end-all of fighting? Seriously, mate, pull your head out of your anus and see how little you know about martial arts. Only then can you accept you know nothing and begin to learn. And stop pretending Wing Chun is anything but adults playing patty cake
spamllpitdept 1 year ago
@spamllpitdept Again, what are you, 10 years old? Can't you have a conversation without using insults? You say you respect arts, then you say Wing Tsun is "patty cake". Don't you see how contradictory and unintelligent you sound?
tanelkagan 1 year ago
I have watched several videos of BJJ vs other traditional martial arts, and it is so predictable. In the ring, BJJ would win. However, on the street, BJJ probably wouldnt work as well. In all of the videos I have seen, the BJJ guy charges at the guys legs, thus knocking him on his back. This is probably one of the easiest things to counter if u do not fear for your attacker's safety. You could fake a kick, wait for the opponent to charge, jump, and kick. All you need is to fake a kick and u win!
umbrella779 1 year ago
@umbrella779 then you clearly have no experience in BJJ :/ a seasoned BBJ/ Submission Wrestling fighter can easily pick up and throw another person to the ground. once he's inside your safety zone you're out. and by faking a kick you'll just make yourself more vonourable and defenseless against the charge. and trust me, a "real" charge is nowhere near as slow as seen on this video
Gnarkade 1 year ago
I hope you used a condom!
TonyHawk33 1 year ago
sex?
GrimAngelofWind 1 year ago 2
Damn I love jiujitsu
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
This is a stupid video. The so called Wing Chun guy is dropping all principles of the art. He's basically just waiting to get knocked. The good Wing Tsun dudes I know don't wait, they roll right in, when the kick comes they're already on in the inside stuffing the kick while elbowing in the face. When the BJJ guy rushed in on the legs like this a decent Wing Tsun guy would have elbowed him in the spine about 15 times and shot a few knees in the face. But hey, they'll get better...the process...
My3rdGradeShirt 1 year ago
This isnt a real fight.
CountVonBrink 1 year ago
If a UFC fighter and had the skill of Ip Chun, he would annihilate BJJ contenders.
Shobsi 1 year ago
@Shobsi if the Ip Chun actualy had skill well he doesnt so we will never know lol
saberman41 1 year ago
sorry no kicks in bjj...
weesenz 1 year ago
@weesenz he just kicks, the bjj part comes when he goes to the ground.
Klootjee 1 year ago
wing-shu only works in movie' just coordipgraphy not real fight
Menfis55 1 year ago
@Menfis55 obviously you've never trained in wing chun.
Gunslinger800 1 year ago
Ignoring the whole 'which style is better competition' that invariably takes over every martial arts based clip on Youtube, it seems like the Wing Chun artist has gotten slightly better at guarding against shoots. Might i suggest that instead of curling your hand around the top of his neck you go underneath? Kudos to the BJJ for that low kick though. I have yet to find a good defense against low kicks in any style. Most just take it on some other part of the body, but those things HURT.
PeretsuWiyumo 1 year ago
@PeretsuWiyumo You can sweep low kicks by blocking it with a low kick for yourself (if you're attacked from the left, use left leg), turning your leg outwards while sticking to his. If you turn your torso correctly at the same time, and block/attack with your arms, you can get him on the ground with this anti-low kick move.
Was taught it during my time training WT.
The reason he hooks above his neck, is 'cus he's supposed to keep his neck too low for him to flip him on the floor like that.
berg89dk 1 year ago
@berg89dk should have, could have. would have. The truth is, you have NO ability to control your opponent with complex moves. The more complex, the more likely to fail. That's why MMA is dominated by people who don't use most martial arts, because they're useless.
MstrKey 1 year ago
Nice......
aper3221bitch 1 year ago
is kung fu better or jiu jitsu???
MrMaraz42 1 year ago
@MrMaraz42 depends on how will you use it. Each style was created for specific purposes.
Templarkun 1 year ago
@Templarkun i think jiu jitsu is better than kung fu think you to?
MrMaraz42 1 year ago
@MrMaraz42 for the same limited training time, you will gain a lot more power from learning jiu jitsu, compared to WC. You need a lot more time of WC, to stand good against JJ/BJJ.
But here is a puzzle for you: image you fight against several enemies at once? Do you really think grabbing one, and fighting with him on the ground is the best idea in this situation?
And forget about knife vs knife situations, WC practitioner will slice you good.
So it is your choice.
Templarkun 1 year ago
@Templarkun are struggling in jiu jitsu at all, one does not fight on the floor when you can
MrMaraz42 1 year ago
@MrMaraz42 almost every real fight goes to the floor instantly. Thats why BJJ is effective in the real world, and wing chung is for the movies.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@MstrKey and 9 times out of 10 its cause somebody two guys where wild swinging and one of them got knocked to the floor and the other guy just jumped on him. its not like normal everyday people know how to shoot for doubles and singles. half the time they just grab you around you waist and just run forward if they can even get their hands on you. honestly for the street any full contact style works wonders, be it boxing, muay thai, contact karate, sanda, sambo, judo, BJJ, wrestling, etc.
Angel7black 1 year ago
@Angel7black yup. The average person can't fight worth beans(I'm one of them) and being drunk makes them far braver than their skill level would suggest lol. The mistake most drunk brawlers make is to try and punch. Striking while drunk is just a bad idea lol. Especially someone who is already trained in striking. Any type of striking. That being said, if those three guys had just grabbed onto buddy and dragged him down.......the result would have been a lot worse.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@MstrKey oops striking drunk against a trained striker is bad...that's what I meant to say.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@MstrKey but u forget that bjj is a sport. IN real fights u bite and cratch out ur eyes go to ur neck straight away. its not so easy just to sit at ur opponent and act like that, just look at ur balls n stuff its lot of weakness still. under real conditions it may not be such superior as many people think
Greenarrow88 1 year ago
@Greenarrow88 no BJJ is a fighting style. MMA is a sport. BJJ also teaches you how to end the fight quickly. The BJJ style is about eliminating any physical advantages, for smaller people. Biting, scratching etc can be added to any fighting style. They don't take any training.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@Greenarrow88 what makes you think a guy who is good at bjj cant do that shit? a kid can bit, scratch, go for eyes, groin etc... a sport mma fighter could fuck up some street schlub anyday without having to do any dirrty tactics. the guy who is a better striker and grappler under a ruleset that doesnt allow dirty attacks is going to be a beast if hes in a fight with no rules. he has a superior delivery system to employ cheap tactics
maxsteelee 1 year ago
@Greenarrow88 All fighting sports are based on battle styles. They're just dulled down to prevent serious injuries. Any martial art can do the same. If you say they can't, then they really don't have much to bring to the table.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@MstrKey neh your wrong . u just havent seen wing chun used properly .
bjj and wing chun is a damn good combination trust me . ! i've use it sparring in camp you know wing chun centerline theory is good shit mix it up with boxing and bjj . be open minded about martial arts
TheMyns 1 year ago
@TheMyns well of course it's good when you add a bunch of other usefull stuff to it lol. Learn you BJJ and boxing, forget about the wing chung and you'll be just as effective. The only good thing about Wing chung that I can see is the quick arm position ability at close range. That can be a benefit to boxers, BJJ, muai tai....even wrestlers. Again. sparring isn't fighting.
MstrKey 1 year ago
@TheMyns
Taekwando and wing chun are the best combo for me lol..........
666Jackdevil666 1 year ago
@MrMaraz42 Jiu jitsu obviously, it has been scientifically proven and unanimously agreed by experts (By Lazy bastards that watch UFC and think they know shit)
Shobsi 1 year ago
wing chun = Shit in a real life situation!
lusby16 1 year ago
@lusby16 Based on what? This vid of two guys messing around in a gym!? Read the video description, the WC guy has only 18 months training.
Gunslinger800 1 year ago
@Gunslinger800 based on the fact that their are no vids of wing chun working in a real life situation, it looks v kl but thats about it.
lusby16 1 year ago
@lusby16 right, so since no one has taken the time to make a video of themselves actually being attacked & put it here on youtube you take that to mean it doesnt work? Tell you what mate, if im ever attacked & manage to defend myself ill be sure to whip out my mobile & ask the guy if he'd mind mugging me again so that i can get it on camera. The vast majority of video here on youtube are either in a gym or are staged for the camera, almost none are actual fights involving a martial artist.
Gunslinger800 1 year ago
This video proves absolutely nothing. He was striking with the elbow and demonstrating the fact dasmoose was totally open to getting a concussion. A couple of strikes and he would have gone limp and WC would have been on top.
It's funny how this video has been refered to sooo many times. Yet is on a padded surface. I was a wrestler, this WC guy looks like a nimrod. He could have studied BJJ too and still would have looked stoopid. Still though, cough cough... elbow strikes.
judutchinski 1 year ago
Not sticking up for wing chun but the dude ain't wing chun. A real wing chun man wouldn't just stand there waiting for the attack. He would try to bridge the gap to close the distance, or aggressively move in with low kicks and rapidfire punches. At the very least, as the opponent attacked, the wing chun man would be unloading haymakers. I'm not questioning the outcome but I question the legitimacy of the guy representing wing chun. He's not even resisting the takedown. Choreographed?
assoverteakettle 1 year ago
@assoverteakettle yeah this guy looks like it was his first time ever in a sparring match
MDNSBS 1 year ago
Most of his weight is on his front foot !!! ....where did you find this clown? and why did he tell you that he knew wing chun?
ScepticalPenguin 1 year ago
why do people always say one martial art is better than another , it is always down to the student, bjj is a fantastic martial art . no doubt but the only set back bjj has is that you can only fight off one attacker , a REAL wing chun student would be able to defend themselfs properly
kelz686 1 year ago
@kelz686 Properly against what?? Another thing....what people call BJJ is simply submission grappling. In the argument of fighting off more than one attacker.. don't get it confused with what Helio Gracie developed which was specifically for self defense.
If there is one style that gives you the ability to fight off more than one attacker...then why arent people using that style in MMA...because if one style can fight off more than one person, then it should be able to beat any one person.
dayjo325 1 year ago
@kelz686
I just think that except talent, you got to have a hell of a master to be a good wc fighter. In bjj your master can be just ok, and still you ll learn something... i dont know if i m clear...
TheMotogavlas84 1 year ago
Yay for wing chun back elbows after the take down. That guy would've been finished!! YES!!! Hahaha xD
VapourXY 1 year ago
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FreiVVild 1 year ago
take his gloves off and watch him gouge your eyes out. Wing chun is not a sport, its a means of survival.
jeff61177 1 year ago
@jeff61177 Agree to the latter, but disagree to the first. A biu tse without thrust will not gouge out the eye, if the opponent manages to close the eye. If the other is full of adrenaline, he will not even feel it while fighting. We tried it out. There's a reason why there is no biu tse in all the kuens of the wing chun where the power for the biu tse comes only from the hand. The biu tse is always done like a punch, but with the fingers instead of the fist.
krywult 1 year ago
@krywult biu tse or not, if he's fighting for survival BJJ and Wingchun are on a level playing field.
jeff61177 1 year ago
BJJ WON
werleyamaral 1 year ago
of course man, great bjj
reiter0 1 year ago
you can kill a guy with a vertical strike when on your back? You must be enormous. There is no way. Lay down flat and see how much power you can put into the floor from that position. 10 lbs max!!
getsome1516 1 year ago
@getsome1516 no, of course not ''kill'' was so-to-speak, but not only 10lbs you can produce a lot of damage from that position, believe me. of course if you have some strength in you, but in general it is easy.
lympheneas 1 year ago
the wing chun guy killed you 7 timesat 0:13... you received at least 8 vertical elbow strikes on the head and neck...
lympheneas 1 year ago
@lympheneas Those strikes at best annoy, but they do not defeat. I *am* a WC guy, and I know my stuff. To even try to hit from that position shows that this WC guy doesn't understand the principle "hit, when you can hit, do not hit, when you can not".
For the beginner that he is, he does OK, but he is just a beginner.
krywult 1 year ago
@krywult excuse me? it a vertical ELBOW strike to the HEAD, can you realize? ''at best annoy''? now I see! ''At best you're spending the night in the hospital'', that's what you must have meant! I just didn't GET it..
lympheneas 1 year ago