Deviation of the Ummah - Past & Present - Bilal Philips

[benghaith]

Praises be to Allah.. The word Muslim in old time law was more of a verb not necessarily a noun which means submitter to the will of God, but when Islam was established the word Muslim considered the both means; therefor now it is a noun and a verb! Why say that? because many old law followers - Jews and Christians - say that the word "Muslim" doesn't exists in the texts, by the explanation shown above the truth hopefully prevails, though I believe that the word Muslim did exist in old times...

[replenishJ]

one of the best speakers for sure :)

[Vizzini25]

A very very beneficial video by Dr Bilal. Muslims stay away from Hamza Yusuf.

[wellersong7]

Why what has he done now

[harda2kill]

mashallah! i hope this post will make people build serious khushoo n salaat.

the tafsir on surat fatiha has some serious implications - who 2 love and hate 4 the sake ov allah.

[dralsasa77]

everybody

watch العمامة أفيون الصفوية on youtube

[mokhan247]

silly comment

[AmirAlMujahideen]

hihi ramadanmuslims

[wtchthis]

When in the history of Islam we hear frm the great Scholars commanding tht Taqlid (2 follow scholr) is Shirk n haram. How can it be haram for the common man to follow Scholar, when the common man can not deduce Ahkaam(islamic law frm the Quran, Sunnah,ijmaa and Qiyaas). But the fact is this is not the case and the whole Muslim world have been following one of the madhabs for 1000 yrs.

[AmirAlMujahideen]

Salafiyyah is the straight path... rasul Allah was a salaf and his sahaba. We avoid bid3a and shirk and the greatest scholars are salafiyoon. You are lost and do not know the meaning of Salafiyyah. And about the mad-habs... the salafiyoon follow all mad-habs because all mad-habs are sunnah. it is only to bad the muslims claim to be from a mad-hab and do taqlid but we only must follow rasul Allah p.b.u.h not a scholar or imam.

salaamu alaikoum wr wb

[Mogunz21]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: May Allaah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 435; Muslim, 529).

[abdelbaasit1]

"The graves of sinners from the People of Sunnah is a garden, while the graves of the pious ascetics from the People of Innovation is a barren pit. The sinners among Ahlus-Sunnah are the Friends of Allaah, while the pious among Ahlul-Bid'ah are the Enemies of Allaah." -- Quote from the great Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (رحمه الله).

[hasanalbosni]

As a result, of his heretical beliefs Ibn Taymiyya spent the better part of his life in prison, first in Cairo, and finally in a Damascus prison where he died. This,then, is the person who the salafis champion and quote. I find it humorous that it ok to rely on the views of a heretic (which they do, constantly quoting from Ibn Taymiyya) but it is "misguidence" and bid'a to follow the true, and universally recognized as such, savants of Islam such as Shafi'i,Abu Hanifa, Malik, and Hanbal! Amazing

[hasanalbosni]

the time of the death of the Prophet(saws) until the 1700's!! This of course is with the exceptions of the "so called" sheikh of Islam Ibn Taymiyya, who was nowhere near deserving this titleaccording to the vast majority of the scholars of his day. In fact he was almost unanimously praised for his knowlege of hadith, but unanimously denounced for his views on 'aqida. The giant of Islam, imam Subki stated, "his (ibn Taymiyya) learning exceeded his intelligence. (next post)

[hasanalbosni]

Salfism/Wahabism (let's call it what it is)is by definition a false belief (as those claiming this name practice it, not by following the Sahaba). A unanimously upheld principle in fiqh is that Allah(swt) would not allow all, or the majority of, his Umma to be in error. Therefore, since "salafism/wahabism" didn't come into existence until the 1700's, and proceeded to declare almost allof traditional Islam as filled with bid'a, they claim that almost the entire Umma was in error from (next post)

[james8721]

Yes.90% of mankind in general appear to be on the path towards jahennam. I hope the world can settle its conflicts & peace inherits the earth inshallah.

[tabman85]

@hasanalbosni Assalam u Alaikum, can you tell/identify any act of worship of salafis/wahabis that was not performed by Prophet (saws) himself or his companions ?

[salekh01]

ok lets put it this way for some reason whenever i fall in love it turns out that they are either Arab or a Jew. it happens all the time and its not fair.A real brunette you know what i am saying? THEY HAVE IT ALL

[salekh01]

PART 2

I need you to buy the book on ''confessions of an economic hitman''-its all in there. And it makes more sence as to why Allah has chosen to send Isa ibn maryam and its not too far away.

there are those who are jealous of Bilal Philips because they cant stand it when a westener becomes better then them at their own game yet dr bilal does not see it that way. Bilal philips is a true muslim, so i cant seem to understand whats all the barking about.

[salekh01]

Part 1

How did the prophet treat the disbelivers?(those who did not descriminate islam)

1.he prayed to Allah for guideing them

2.he took care of them while they were sick

3.he ensured that wealth was distributed among others EQUALLY not just muslims.

there is no compulsion in religion

There is nothing wrong with secularism except ribba,adultry,whatever goes against Sharia Law itself. Ribba leads to war, well to control the economy there must be war! WW3 IS INEVITABLE.

[PutKaAllahu]

es selamu alejkum?

Is BIlal Philips Muslim? alhamdulillah, YES. If you can not give us a proof akhi SALAFI18 to what he said wrong, than you should not speak. I know that the madhkali sect fights against him.

But we all make mistakes akhi kerim.

If you thnk that something is wrong, so go back to Quran and SUnnah, that is the solution.

[khalifahklothing]

insha'Allah

any person who seeks truth about the real issues, then visit Sheikh Bilal's site and see his response to Brother Aboo Khadeejah

Salaam

[mcmosiris]

Sunna is the right way! We must obey the messenger of Allah p.b.u.h. that is the Sunna.

salaam alaikoum

[SALAF18]

who has bilal got reccomendations frm? i can tell u which ulama he got refuted by!!!

[khalifahklothing]

im not sure what you mean by reccomenadtions, but he studied under many great scholars. and has many degrees from islamic universities. and yes, i'd like to know which alim he got refuted by.

[ludwigau]

Didn't he study under scholars who have never said anything openly critical of the House of Saud ... which after Israel, is the US's biggest ally in the Middle East?

[khalifahklothing]

I don't think you're in a position to criticize scholars like that since you have on your favourites speakers who have iftars at the white house.

[ludwigau]

I'm not criticising. I'm just saying he's on the Saudi payroll and therefore is on the US State Depts payroll. That's not a criticism; for example, I may - like you - agree with that arrangement.

[hotrain103]

He was had to leave Saudi Arabia because of his views against the Iraq war in the early 90's. So speak with Knowledge brother.

[ludwigau]

"He was had to leave Saudi Arabia because of his views against the Iraq war in the early 90's."

He was kicked out by a faction of secular nationalists because seen as encouraging extremists. He didn't break his ties to the Saudis (& bin Bazis). He was in fact given HEAPS of money by bin Baz to wander around doing offensive dawah (& we all know where bin Baz gets HIS money from!)

As you would say brother: "So speak with Knowledge brother."

[daytona0101]

Any news on those refutations you were going to tell us about? I'd be interested to know who he has been refuted by and how he was refuted i.e. for a mistake he made, for an innovation, for supporting the people of bidah etc...

[BosKrajina]

once again: What about you to clear for us , what is this "ibadat" ? and what is "adat" .. with proof pls.

[ludwigau]

>>what is this "ibadat" ? and what is "adat"

I don't understand why you are asking this question. Mr Philips talks about it in the above video. Don't you understand what Mr Philips is saying? It's pretty basic.

[ludwigau]

I find it difficult to see on what basis Mr Philips is drawing his lines between acceptable and not acceptable innovation. He draws on the Hanbali CONCEPTS of ibadat and adat, but does not seem to have any CRITERION for classifying entities within these concepts. E.g. he puts prayer mats into the adat category (thus avoiding labeling it bid'a), but why not put it into the ibadat category instead?

[BosKrajina]

What are you talking about man? What is the HANBALI CONCEPT of ibadat and adat? There is no such thing, this is clear from Kur'an and Sunnnah, nobody follows anything of any Imam without proof. So bring your proofs or shut up.

[ludwigau]

Okay, forget my references to 'Hanbali'. Just tell me WHY Mr Philips puts prayer mats into the adat category (thus avoiding labeling it bid'a), and does not put it into the ibadat category instead. ...And, as you would say, "bring your proofs".

[khalifahklothing]

Could you bring another example? A prayer mat is just a clean mat, rug, piece of fabric for you to pray on and put your forehead on, it is not an obligation, nor is it recommended. The prophet used to pray on a mat made of palm fibre, and the sahaba sometimes used to spread a piece of clothing on the floor to put their head on, so that would take it out of bidah.

[ludwigau]

>>Could you bring another example?

I wanted to know about this e.g. because that's the one referred to in the video. A prayer mat is not like sifting flour - it is an aspect of prayer & thus ibadat. If the Prophet(s) used palm leaves & the sahaba used clothing for the forehead, then doesn't that make everything else (such as standard prayer mats) bid'a?

[khalifahklothing]

No, because thats not how they understood it. And it does not affect the form of worship, its just a clean place to pray.

[ludwigau]

Can you provide proof of how they, in their minds, understood the status of woven prayer mats please?

[khalifahklothing]

because there is no evidence to suggest they did

[khalifahklothing]

watch the question and answer part of this video: watch?v=CGHfigqCCf4

[ludwigau]

>>"because there is no evidence to suggest they did"

So the operating principle here is: if a particular thing is not explicitly declared haram, it should be treated as halal? Yes?

[khalifahklothing]

All ibadat are haram unless declared halal. (acts of worship, we worship Allah the way He prescribed it)and all mu'amalat are halal unless declared haram. (for example, eating watermelon, pigs are originally halal to eat, but Allah has made it haram for us, so theyre haram).

[ludwigau]

>>"All ibadat are haram unless declared halal."

Okay, so back to my original question: how do you know that a prayer mat - an object that is specifically and only used for prayer/worship by the vast majority of Muslims - does NOT fall within the category of ibadat (and given that the Prophet[saw] never used one and never verbally sanctioned the use of them)?

[khalifahklothing]

the prophet did use a palm leaf mat. and its not an act of worship because its just a mat you put on the floor so you dont have to sit or put your head on something which isnt clean. the burden of proof is upon the person claiming its an act of worship. like the principle says.

[ludwigau]

>>"the burden of proof is upon the person claiming its an act of worship."

That is only true if one already believes it is NOT an act of worship. If, however, one already believe it IS part of the act of worship, then the burden of proof is on the person who claims it is not.

[ludwigau]

>>"the prophet did use a palm leaf mat."

I agree. And I hope you agree that he did NOT use, nor did he sanction, a colorfully woven mat.

>>"and its not an act of worship because its just a mat you put on the floor so you dont have to sit or put your head on something which isnt clean."

Okay, now think about that. Why do you automatically believe it is "just a mat", but you don't think that the way the Prophet(saw) moved his hands in prayer is "just moving hands".

[khalifahklothing]

The prophet didnt carry his mat around, and this is the same mat he slept on.

because he said "pray as you have seen me pray". and he always raised his hands, and placed the right over the left.

when are you gonna get to your point?

[ludwigau]

>>"The prophet didnt carry his mat around..."

That is hardly a good criterion. After all, he(saw) didn't really have a choice about whether to 'carry his arms around', did he?

>>"because he said "pray as you have seen me pray". and he always raised his hands... "

AND he always used a palm mat and NEVER used a colorful woven mat. Why do you feel free to follow PARTS of his example of prayer and selectively ignore other parts? Please supply rigorous proofs for your selections.

[khalifahklothing]

No actually, he has the choice of not raising them up and not putting them on top of his stomach right over the left.

USe your common sense there mr ludwigau, did they have turkish made colourful woven rugs with the kaaba on it during his time.

its amazing how youre trying to justify innovations in the deen. and i thought saudi salafis were annoying.

[ludwigau]

>>"he has the choice"

...just as he did have the choice of using a colorful prayer mat (I assume you know that such material was available at the time), AND YET he did not choose it. One might even use one's commonsense and say that it was as if he was avoiding such paraphernalia.

[khalifahklothing]

My friend, it doesnt work like this. The one claiming it to be an act of ibada has to proof that it is, not the one saying it isnt. We see from the sunnah that the prophet or sahaba did not always pray on mats, when the ground was dirty, they put something over it and pray on that. I;m sure the scholars you follow dont believe it is an act of ibada and you dont either. So dont compare a mat with what the prophet always did in salah, and get to your point already.

[ludwigau]

"...get to your point already."

I don't have a 'point' to make. I am just trying to figure out what your methodology is for the division between categories. At present, I still can't see what that methodology is. It looks like either (a) a home-made decision based on a commonsense 'feel' from ahadith, or [more likely, I think] (b) you have been told by a teacher that prayer mats are not part of worship and you are following their advice (backed by the fact that it seems to make sense). Yes? No?

[khalifahklothing]

The scholars study it and give their proof for their answer. It all goes back to the principle of usul ul fiqh "all ibadat are haram unless proven from the quran and sunnah, all muamalat are halal unless proven haram". the scholars dont seem to differ when dividing between them, but some say there is such a thing as a good bidah.

[sufyanakhan]

gain some knowledge and then come please you are just making us laugh by your comments.

[sufyanakhan]

this is ridiculous ludwigau

what are you trying to prove?

We will only follow the understanding of the SALAf (SAHABA)all other understandings are misguidance.

so prove from the methodology of the SAHABA if hadith is not clear.

[ludwigau]

"We will only follow the understanding of the SALAf"

But how do you know whether you have correctly understood the understandings of the Sahaba? Isn't it possible that you have misunderstood such a thing? After all, according to Mr Philips, millions and millions of Muslims in history (indeed, the majority of Islam's most well-reputed scholars) who devoted their entire lives to the study of the religion misunderstood that very religion. Again, isn't possible you have misunderstood?

[snhk]

JazakAllah Khair.

[19pakistani47]

jazaak-ALLAH-humma-alkhair {aameen}

[Nazihah06]

Assalamualaikum,

Jazakallahu khairan for sharing this beneficial video.

[shaykha]

JazaakAllah Khair