Yes, very sad about MJ. You would think that in this place and time we live in; MJ should have recieved the proper help. Did we learn nothing from how Elvis died?
yeah...always had issue with that very same "he took them from us" thing. some of your videos i could take and turn in to my inner voice...lol...without bending a thought. scary...ha ha ha
agreed that he was surrounded by many enablers. of course, now stories are emerging about doctors who did say no, and an attempted family intervention organized by janet... truth is most people, even his family, will never really know all the dynamics that led to his death. i hope it's that not knowing rather than any misdirection or self-deception that leaves them saying, "god took him, it was his time". sigh... ee-hee CHAMONE!
NO, CURT. No, no, no! You are NOT allowed to do a video in less than 108 takes...Dang, I've only been able to finish a video after 124...so...NO! You get off that plastic bottle and do ANOTHER take...and here's 10+ Xanax to sleep after all those takes.
This is the trouble with lots of superstars. I am a fan of the Stone Temple Pilots and what Scott Weiland needed most during his more troubled times was someone to say "no".
1. You are DEAD ON with the whole "God took Michael because he needed him." That assertion drives my absolutely nuts. God did not take Michael. It was not his time. God may be happy to see him, but He did not summon him up. Michael inadvertently did that on his own.
2. Brooke Shields's speech was the best part of the service.. She kicks ASS!!!
3. I do not have NEARLY enough yes men in my life. Any idea where i can get some?
Sometimes I think that people say stuff like "He's in heaven now" or "God took him away" just to comfort themselves.
I mean MJ might very well be in Heaven or he might not, who are we to judge really?? In the end the action's of your life are between you and God, no one else can do your life for you.
As far as "Yes men",valid point. But I think the main reason MJ was screwed up is because of the father hurt. He was always struggling with the "not good enuf", I struggle with that myself.
Excellent points made. Enablers come in all walks of life...I guess it just gets amplified when its a celebrity. Elvis, Anna Nicole, now Michael and there will be more to come in the future. As long as there are gravy trains to jump on to crap this will always happen. : )
A lot has already been commented on this subject. I am just amazed in what rose colored glasses the man was looked at with after death. He was a man - no more, no less. Not a very good role model in my estimation - esp with the way he died (God had nothing to do with it) He was ill-served in life - as he is in death. His death had the potential of a great lesson. Instead - it was bastardized by the people who "loved" him. Was it him or his money they loved?
Yeah, it does seem like a lot of potential to take away something valuable from this has gotten lost. A media crap-storm will do that, I guess.
At my great grandmother's funeral in 1992, some of her church friends got up and spoke. They practically declared her a saint. It was eerie. Sure, she was a neat lady but come on already!
Got any books to recommend that take a look at the psychology behind people's behavior at funerals, etc.?
If children aren't taught boundaries, they're headed for guaranteed disaster, true. And even for adults, I guess it's just very easy to regress unless we have some sort of checks-n-balances system in our lives.
You know I am reevaluating. In face I was very down today & watched this an you are so right. I need to say no to some things going on in my life right now. Saying yes, Ok I will do that all the time just to please this person is making me want to quit life. I want to move away, go away.
You and me both - although peole here on YouTube have been VERY supportive of me so I have to enjoy that for what it is and still keep things in check.
I dvd'd it and want to watch it. I keep hearing that Brooke Shields' speech was really good. Just this morning I said to Kirsten that I can't buy the "god took him" thing because of his problems with prescription medication. And yes, it was very easy for him to get anything he wanted. I really like your take on this, too.
That was a smart way to do it. It would've been nice to fast forward through a few things (no patience for Sharpton anymore, no matter how hard I try).
Let me know what you think of it. I had a very long list of different reactions. LOL
Luckily, I'm surrounded by people who have no trouble telling me to stop this, quit that, and don't ever think about the other thing again. But I think your analysis is correct, both of why he was allowed to die like that, and also his legal troubles.
The legal troubles are doing now are something I can't even begin to wrap my head around, so I purposely avoided that one with specific references.
Some have said that I jumped the gun by referring to some of this stuff as factual, which is a fair assessment. But hopefully, whatever the real case w/ Jackson's life is or was, this aspect of it can come under a little more examination.
I read something online that there was an intervention in the works, but I don't know how credible that was. If it's true, then that has to bring a whole other layer of stress on them as well.
Another question to ponder..When is somebody going to say "no" to the Doctors who are prescribing and performing these things. Our society treats Doctors as if they are "Gods"....( I worked at a hospital for four years and have first hand knowledge of some of the stupidity and arrogance that some of them can have.) The system is broken.many of them are no better than the old traveling " I have an elixir that can cure anything salesmen of the 1800's." The drug companies have too much influence
Yeah, no doubt! The more drug company advertising I've seen in various doctors' offices, the less trust overall I've had for those docs (an instinctual thing with me mostly).
I really do hope that one of the things that comes out of this is more scrutiny on that particular industry and how MD's handle themselves within the system.
Nice comparison to the traveling salesman. LOL - humorous and rooted in truth, I think.
I'm saddened by the media and we as humans..making such a big deal out of these singers,sports stars, movie stars blah blah blah. Come on... there are more deserving persons besides these over indulged.. media hyped money making lost souls. Are we so arrogant and blameless that we feel the need to make god or whoever or whatever responsible for everything? Don't we have free will and choice? Ok..stop rant.. my opinion and only mine. Luv ya Curt...you little pot stirrer! Lol..should of had a V8!
And RE: free will, YES! That's a huge part of this that I think has been pushed aside just for the sake of wanting peace of mind on this issue - not that peace of mind itself is a bad thing, obvously, just that how can we really grow if we don't acknowledge just how much control we do have over what we do and how?
I haven't followed this very closely due to a slight lack of interest. But from the bits and pieces that I've gathered, it sounds to me like his personal doctor should be put under investigation.
I'm pretty sure the investigation is still under way, at least I hope it is. And from the bits of info that have made it to the press, IF they're correct, then it wasn't just one or two doctors, but an entire network of professionals helping him out.
It's easier when you have people constantly saying yes because it's a form of validation and whether or not we want to admit it, that's something we want and perhaps even crave. It makes a relationship less work to have everything so agreeable. For a lot of people it isn't laziness that makes them not want to put the effort and work into it but, IMHO, a lack of desire to become more self-aware and maybe a lack of social and emotional maturity. Wow, I guess I have a book in me about this. ;-)
Yeah, I think you're on to something. And actually, this whole thing (along with several other recent and historical events) make me increasingly more curious about psychology as a topic. I suppose if I ever go back for another degree, that might be the focus, who knows.
I agree we do need to have people in our lives who will bring us back to reality with a firm, "NO!" But in MJ's case, I can not attempt or even imagine what it was like to be him. That does not excuse...it just puts me in a position not to judge unless I have walked a mile in someone's shoes. As far as the religious talk during the memorial. I can not take away or discount what gives a person comfort in order to heal, mourn and move on with life.
Your 2 cents are always worth more than that, Lisa.
I think I get what you mean. The only people who will ever know who went on behind closed doors and can really speak with authroity on it are the people who were there behind the doors after they closed, right?
I recently commented on someone's(?) video saying the same thing about how MJ surrounded himself with only people who would agree with him....for a price.
Sadly, in the end, Michael Jackson did what drug addicts do: cut off the people who would try to get between him and his addiction.
There was no 'god' in the equation this time round. Anyways I thought his job was to help win grammys?
LOL, I think God's job, according to that crowd, is to help win Oscars, Tonys, and Emmys, but I'm not entirely sure God thinks the Grammy is even a real award.
Either that or He just doesn't like being blamed for Milli Vanilli winning "best new artist" almost 20 years ago.
And did you leave that comment on the video I took down after 3 hours? Holy Grammy Awards, I think you many have!
If so, THANK YOU for helping to plant the seed for this vlog.
I would like to hear what Elizabeth Taylor, the woman who put Betty Ford on the map, has to say about this.
If newswoman Barbara Wawa hadn't morphed into Rona Barrett, this would be a great interview a year from now. Trivia side note: 30 years ago, 20/20 was pitched by Barrett to ABC and Bill Geddes.
IMO it is all about having tethers. Britney seems to have enough of them.
Totally agree with you - we need peeps in our lives to help keep us grounded - however from what I've read anytime someone was a 'no' man/woman in his life - they weren't around very long - case in point - the nanny - she called his mom & told her about the drugs - she was fired after 17 years of employ with MJ. What ya gonna do?
Agree about the god thing - anytime we don't understand what happened or won't take responsibility for it - we hang it on the big guy in the sky...
The nanny story IS a classic example, I guess. Thing is, MJ is so not alone there. A lot of people in similar positions as him tend to have employees sign agreements that forces them to stay quiet in various ways regarding their personal business. It makes sense on the one hand because who wants the nanny selling secrets to some tabloid, but if she also can't alert a relative to a potential disaster?
Grace was not an enabler, nor did she sell out MJ to tabs...Mallika Chopra (close friend of MJ & Grace) posted on her site ("Intent" dot com) that Grace never said she'd pumped MJs stomach..
The sad reality is - peeps with enough money (just like Howard Hughes) can isolate themselves & self-destruct...(course, there are those living on the streets doing it too - but that's another story)
At any rate, good vid - you're always so good at hitting the mark & getting us to think about these things.
After watching this video I went and listened to Shields's tribute speech. Yep, an excellent speech. Brooke's always been a class act.
In theory we all need someone in our lives who'll say "no". In practice the "No Men" are all too often ignored/shunned/marginalized. It takes a lot of courage to be a "No Man". Probably the type of person who'll actually listen and seriously consider what a "No Man" is saying is the type of person who is least in need of a reality check to begin with.
It's not easy stepping up and telling someone you like, respect, care about, etc., that they're making a mess of things, that's for sure. And there's always that little safety valve of sorts that keeps most of us from doing it because we think, "well, since when am I an expert on what so-and-so should do with their life?"
I did, however, have to tell the Crocfather to stop leaving the seat up all the time.
You are so right. If there were people to tell him no, he was just a phone call away from a yes. I guess money talks. By the way, Curt, your eyes talk... they are just so sincere and so neat.
i guess i do avoid many situations where i might be put down or said no to as well.. it makes life a lot easier.. but now im starting to think.. whats the point if there's no risk? makes life pretty dull.
Well to be fair, conflict is rarely fun - especially when it's real conflict with people who are in our "comfort zone" as it were. But there's a price for zipping ones lip too many times, I think.
preCISELY. i was thinking the very same thing....to add to that, it irked me when more than a few people said to the effect: "michael never stopped, he gave everything, he was the best he could be...." yes, but he admitted to an addiction long ago and didn't seek help, which made him tragically human. and when it comes down to it, a room full of 'no men' wouldn't make a bit of difference, unless HE himself had wanted change.
he committed a very painfully slow suicide, i believe.
Interesting points - and I can even equate what you're saying with a real life example from my own personal life. Someone I was once close to would talk repeatedly about being an alcoholic and needing to stop, but this person never had any intention of quitting. In the end it was more than likely just a way to either excuse or buy time til the next drunken outburst.
I didn't watch the service. I was never a big fan of either the man or the music so to pretend to be now is sort of silly but I don't like the attempts to soften things with "Gods will". God didn't hand him pills for years. Instead of immortalizing flaws, maybe people should use this to educate.
It may sound harsh but I blame friends I've lost due to their own weakness with drugs on themselves and a celeb is no different except he left music behind.
I consider myself a religious person and I agree one hundred percent. I have had a few people put me in my place several times in life and while it hurt at the time, it led to me opening my eyes about the way I was acting.
I really don't think it was God plan for Mj to be addicted to drugs. I don't think this was how God wanted Mj to come home.
Well......... and people will criticize me for saying this, or even thinking it ....... but immediately on hearing of MJ's demise, my reaction was "well, that solved a lot of problems, now didn't it."
I honestly don't think he had any game plan for being a mature man; it was getting harder and harder, and painful, to be a singer and dancer in his prime, at age 50. (Don't I know about THAT!)
Actually, I had several different thoughts when the news broke. A similar version of that was among them.
Seems like the only game plan for years was just to keep topping the popularity of the previous album, which after a while was kind of uncomfortable to observe.
It really is - and I could kick myself for not knowing that Cher quote before making this video, btw. It would've fit even better than the one I used.
Maybe the sadness level being so intense is what's helped drive so much of the jokes, who knows.
He left the three children who he loved most in this World; to be raised in the same home that gave him such emotional scares; because he could not say NO!
When we become parents; it's not all about us anymore! When we make bad choices now those who did not ask to be here; suffer. It is sad such a large family and not one of them really knew him; because if they did, may be he would be alive today.
That has always been a family that I've failed to understand, but then again how could I, really. So much doesn't add up but then again, given how information is disseminated, maybe it's no wonder.
With the problems we face right now in our country. I was dissapointed that this guy stole another news cycle. I'm sorry he died but the world did'nt come to an end.
as far as the God thing that is just peoples way of making death seem better somehow. God took him, seems by the record of bible he would like someone like me or you over someone like MJ.
We love our icons, our idols and our pop heroes and today proved that tenfold. I'm not convinced it's as harmless as we tend to believe. And to be honest, I felt sorta dirty doing this and not even acknowledging that other things were still happening in the world.
I hated to rate and ruin your magic number of 42, but had to give my 5*. At first I thought; "Oh dang, another MJ video. Yawn." But it was you, so I listened. You're right of course - we tend to push those who don't say nice things to us away. But sometimes, only someone who really loves you will tell you the things you NEED to hear. Super topic!
I wasn't going to touch it in a video again AT ALL, but then during those key moments during the broadcast, I could feel the "push record button" finger itching.
Oy.
Glad this was tolerable. And thanks for the rating. A lot of the discussion has dragged on a little too long, I think. Wondering if it was like this after Elvis died. I KNOW it was in 1997 when Lady Di was killed in the car accident.
Curt, I am so glad you brought this up. I am so sick of the fact that most are holding him up to be GOD. He was just a human being that sang and made videos. He was never a god, even if he wanted to be. I liked his music but I am glad its over and we can move on to hearing about other stupid stuff in the news...lol. Its over rated in my book. He was just a human being....nothing more and nothing less.
I think the investigation is still pending on the folks who were writing and filling prescriptions - if it turns out they were ignoring their own warning lables, I'm guessing there will be intense hell to pay.
I think some people may see that his drug addiction is a cross to bear given by God. Some people have different concepts of what God is and will and will not do. This is where Faith comes into play and what you're willing to challenge forming it. For example, I was in a prayer group shortly after dad and Joe died. The leader was making comments that the good things in her life was b/c she loved God. Really? That would mean that my dad and brother's suffering was a measure of their devotion. grr
Nice. Yeah, we all have good things and bad things in our lives. I was brought up to regard the good things AND bad things as either rewards for hard work, a lack of work, or just random chance.
Too many fantastic people have had horrendous diseases and hardship for me to buy that kind of explanation.
It's part of that celebrity train, I guess. If it picks up enough momentum it will just speed right off the tracks and nosedive into the side of a mountain.
I think there were a lot of people that tried to help him, and did say no. Addiction to pain killers for very real pain (broken back, et al), is a terrible thing not only to be in the middle of, but to watch! The more drugs, the more the brain needs it...etc. The vicious cycle. He was the only one that could have stopped the cycle, and due to his addiction, he couldn't or wouldn't. Sad...very sad...
I suppose under the right circumstance, any one of us could potentially find ourselves in that same or similar situation. I'd certainly not just sit back and say, "oh sure, I'm in agony, but whatever."
Brooke Shields really did bring the whole thing back down to earth, I thought. At least for the time she was up there speaking.
On the channel I was watching, when Brooke finished her speech, the commentator said that he had an interview with Michael and when Brooke's name came up, Michael said he really wasn't that close to her...I thought that was a funny thing to say, (funny strange, not funny haha) especially after hearing Brooke! Gotta love the media...
There's very little in this world more aggravating to me than someone who tells you what they think you want to hear all the time to avoid conflict, when often the lie snowballs and it leads to bigger conflict down the road.
I ask questions and give others opportunities to state their point of view for a reason, because I'm an adult and I can handle that others won't agree with me all the time, not to be bullshitted to death.
Do you ever wonder if viewers look at the tags? Well, I look at tags, and I noticed the word "sycophant" which is a word I only learned within the past year.
Yes, Michael Jackson's death and some of what was said at his televised memorial has me reflecting about things in my life.
Good points! We can all learn from this but do we. The celebs never seem to learn especially since they live in a weird world of illusion. Always enjoy your POV. Thanks, I agree that God did not take him or anyone for that matter. Sending my thoughts through the looking glass.
I remember reading in that Fame Junkies book several months ago some of the various duties that personal assistants are expected to do. It was a bizarre, cartoonish list of self indulgences that I don't think anyone could have just made up on their own.
There was a point in the whole thing where someone congratulated his parents on moulding his talent for the world to share in (paraphrasing here). I just cringed at that.
DITTO!!! The thing is that when people get so powerful, the loved ones and those around them don't want to be left out...So they become "Yes Men or Women." It happened to Elvis.
(((Hugs)))
~Mimi
Ya letting the beard grow? I say it looks good. Does that make me a "Yes Woman?"
And, no, not really trying for a beard. Just got distracted with computer the last couple days (fixed now) so I'm off kilter a bit. If only I COULD grow decent facial hair.
I think that each of our lives is in God's hands. It's up to us whether we allow Him to do the good things that He has planned for us. When He's ready for us to no longer live, then our lives cease. You, me, everyone.
You do make some good points in your video curt. I hope that people will walk away from it having learned something and maybe asking themselves some really important questions about their own lives.
You speak a lot of sense. I think people like Jackson needed people around him to keep him in line and to make right decisions, especially when it comes to health and saving lives. I like that old proverb at the end.
one of my favorite movie phrases that i kept and use was from a movie called "hearts in atlantis" when the bartender said "He never bought a drunk a drink, that's for sure." i use that phrase sometimes someone insistent that really does needs to be told no.
Many factors led to Micheal's death, not the least of which is, for the few days preceding, he wasn't eating, which is hard on the heart, he was doing rather strenous rehersals which he hadn't done in a while, and some around him noted he wasn't drinking any water. Add to this mix the drugs, and you have a fatal mix.
Anything that went on in the Staples Center I don't connect to anyone's real life, including Michael Jackson's.
People you interact with should be willing to challenge you and vice versa. It's also incumbent on both sides to be receptive to it.
Oddly this MJ thing, which mostly I had on in the background, capped off a few weeks of mulling over how much is too much on the internet and pop culture? I've concluded that it doesn't take much to cross over to "too much" and to be more selective now.
For me I think the measuring stick still is the OJ trial. That killed TV news for me.
And hopefully other topics will be making headlines before the week is up. From what I understand, even some of those folks who work in news have been ready for this to be over.
so this guy who's a writer, humorist, reviewer in Arizona tweets: (@goodyk) MJ tribute: overblown, entertaining, weird, heartbreaking - fitting
That sums it up I thought.
One thing that has startled me since early 2007 when world events really started moving, is how much and how rapid significant news events are happening and just keep coming. I don't think that's changing...next story!
Yeah, that's a pretty accurate review. A total spectacle to match the public spectacle that surrounded him in life.
As for other news stories, I have to say I was a little heart sick to see the Iran election disappear from Twitter's trending topics while "KFC" was up there.
perhaps therein lies the weirdness...we're swinging back to escapist stuff and feel guilty, that we only feel slightly guilty about it? Instead of facing big issues ahead of us we're right back in the TMZ?
I haven't commented on the drug use and who is going to "just say no." Did MJ ever even have the capability to separate show biz and fantasy from real life, since he was immersed in it from age 5? The anesthesiology drug in the house really crossed a line I can't comprehend.
SHIT! That's right! Michael Jackson died.
(this showed up in "related videos")
"God's plan." Pffft.
ChristopherMast 2 years ago
Go shower already!
;-P
OhCurt 2 years ago
As always I like your view on things. You said it best!
smokymtnmomma728 2 years ago
Thats a really good angle I never thought about. It is VERY important for our friends and family to put up boundries for us. You rock.
captainfury2007 2 years ago
Yes, very sad about MJ. You would think that in this place and time we live in; MJ should have recieved the proper help. Did we learn nothing from how Elvis died?
MsVlogable 2 years ago
yeah...always had issue with that very same "he took them from us" thing. some of your videos i could take and turn in to my inner voice...lol...without bending a thought. scary...ha ha ha
MicheleMidnight 2 years ago
agreed that he was surrounded by many enablers. of course, now stories are emerging about doctors who did say no, and an attempted family intervention organized by janet... truth is most people, even his family, will never really know all the dynamics that led to his death. i hope it's that not knowing rather than any misdirection or self-deception that leaves them saying, "god took him, it was his time". sigh... ee-hee CHAMONE!
point5past 2 years ago
NO, CURT. No, no, no! You are NOT allowed to do a video in less than 108 takes...Dang, I've only been able to finish a video after 124...so...NO! You get off that plastic bottle and do ANOTHER take...and here's 10+ Xanax to sleep after all those takes.
anniehiggy 2 years ago
This is the trouble with lots of superstars. I am a fan of the Stone Temple Pilots and what Scott Weiland needed most during his more troubled times was someone to say "no".
Anyway... well said, bro!
NaturalTwentyFilms 2 years ago
So, let me get this straight... Michael Jackson needed someone to "Just Say No." Where's Nancy Reagan when you need her?!
NorCalCorsello 2 years ago
The old gray mare just ain't what she used to be.
[yep, I'm going to hell for that one, LOL]
OhCurt 2 years ago
When g-d says shamone you gotta shamone.
2of6Solutions 2 years ago
LMMFAO!
OhCurt 2 years ago
I would think if God was going around taking people, he would pick someone alot more interesting than MJ!! LOL
You look good, my friend!
Haynes1994 2 years ago
deep thoughts ;o) thanks for sharing and making us think
devotions4U 2 years ago
Curt...
I'm sending a message to your YouTube inbox.
DebUSA 2 years ago
Three comments come to mind with this video:
1. You are DEAD ON with the whole "God took Michael because he needed him." That assertion drives my absolutely nuts. God did not take Michael. It was not his time. God may be happy to see him, but He did not summon him up. Michael inadvertently did that on his own.
2. Brooke Shields's speech was the best part of the service.. She kicks ASS!!!
3. I do not have NEARLY enough yes men in my life. Any idea where i can get some?
sukatra 2 years ago
Sometimes I think that people say stuff like "He's in heaven now" or "God took him away" just to comfort themselves.
I mean MJ might very well be in Heaven or he might not, who are we to judge really?? In the end the action's of your life are between you and God, no one else can do your life for you.
As far as "Yes men",valid point. But I think the main reason MJ was screwed up is because of the father hurt. He was always struggling with the "not good enuf", I struggle with that myself.
Chivalryaintdead 2 years ago
I missed the whole thing... Like any media hype after some famous person dies, I try to steer clear of it... I'm with you on Pfffft
phekwig 2 years ago
Excellent points made. Enablers come in all walks of life...I guess it just gets amplified when its a celebrity. Elvis, Anna Nicole, now Michael and there will be more to come in the future. As long as there are gravy trains to jump on to crap this will always happen. : )
capergirl1976 2 years ago
Wow. Nobody around that could tell him "No!". That about sums it up.
Good call, Curt. :)
ShortbusMooner 2 years ago
well said...the sad thing here is that Michael was a very lonely man, he had millions, but he had nothing.
Anjelikka 2 years ago
No Curt No!
Get a haircut! lol
MayfieldRandyj 2 years ago
Watched again. Wanted to think about how "human" it was. But yeah... I think I'll leave this alone.
Gimmeabreakman 2 years ago
A lot has already been commented on this subject. I am just amazed in what rose colored glasses the man was looked at with after death. He was a man - no more, no less. Not a very good role model in my estimation - esp with the way he died (God had nothing to do with it) He was ill-served in life - as he is in death. His death had the potential of a great lesson. Instead - it was bastardized by the people who "loved" him. Was it him or his money they loved?
Apologize for the rant.
dl737 2 years ago
No apologies necessary, Danny.
Yeah, it does seem like a lot of potential to take away something valuable from this has gotten lost. A media crap-storm will do that, I guess.
At my great grandmother's funeral in 1992, some of her church friends got up and spoke. They practically declared her a saint. It was eerie. Sure, she was a neat lady but come on already!
Got any books to recommend that take a look at the psychology behind people's behavior at funerals, etc.?
OhCurt 2 years ago
Not really - but it would make for a good study. Speaks to the hypocrisy of what we know as 'man'
I'm on a rag today - lol.
dl737 2 years ago
We all have those days. You are entitled!
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
Haveing people who will not take our BS and say no to us is vital in life - especially as children. I agree with you 100%.
missdivinestalls 2 years ago
If children aren't taught boundaries, they're headed for guaranteed disaster, true. And even for adults, I guess it's just very easy to regress unless we have some sort of checks-n-balances system in our lives.
Scary, really.
OhCurt 2 years ago
you've got an excellent point, curtlet. thanks for sharing your POV on it.
NannyCam 2 years ago
I had a brain fart, a juiced up camcorder battery, and a few minutes to spare.
VOILA!
:o)
OhCurt 2 years ago
There were less excentric guys, who never accepted "No" for an answer. :-/
manniacmind 2 years ago
Very true!
OhCurt 2 years ago
You know I am reevaluating. In face I was very down today & watched this an you are so right. I need to say no to some things going on in my life right now. Saying yes, Ok I will do that all the time just to please this person is making me want to quit life. I want to move away, go away.
Thank you Curt ;)
tweetnes 2 years ago
It's not an easy thing to work out sometimes, so I wish you all the luck getting that sorted out!
OhCurt 2 years ago
Well sumed up Curt.
Arthur40TwoDent 2 years ago
Thanks, Nick
OhCurt 2 years ago
I wasn't able to watch the memorial service.
I guess, in a way, I'm lucky because not enough people have said "yes" to me. Nice insight.
Nyxnalia 2 years ago
Thanks, Jo!
You and me both - although peole here on YouTube have been VERY supportive of me so I have to enjoy that for what it is and still keep things in check.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I dvd'd it and want to watch it. I keep hearing that Brooke Shields' speech was really good. Just this morning I said to Kirsten that I can't buy the "god took him" thing because of his problems with prescription medication. And yes, it was very easy for him to get anything he wanted. I really like your take on this, too.
PaintedRavensong 2 years ago
That was a smart way to do it. It would've been nice to fast forward through a few things (no patience for Sharpton anymore, no matter how hard I try).
Let me know what you think of it. I had a very long list of different reactions. LOL
OhCurt 2 years ago
A few at the memorial spoke of having his back...
Those sort of folk having your back apparently is hazardous...
Who's got ours?
PappyStu 2 years ago
Yeah, I think one of his brothers said those exact words at some point; can't remember who it was (Jermaine??).
I suppose there's a great deal of danger in having too much wealth; more difficult to know if those at your side should really be there or not.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Hear hear.
How many other "celebrities" have died for exactly the same reason.
That old story of the Emporers New Clothes comes to mind. We all need that little boy to tell us the truth & say "no" every now & then :)
andymooseman 2 years ago
Elvis Presley is the example that keeps coming up. Wish I could remember that time more clearly to make a more fair comparison, but oh well.
Funny how certain pieces of literature continue to be relevant through the ages, that one being one of them!
OhCurt 2 years ago
I don't remember too much about Elvis' death either. But, i do know it was a big deal at the time.
IMHO Elvis changed music more than MJ. But, there are pretty obvious parallels with their lives. I could go on, but won't.
Good literature never dies & some of it becomes more relevant over time :)
andymooseman 2 years ago
i love curt!
FREE PEOPLE WHO SAY NOOOOOOOO TO STUPIDITY & IGNORANCE
kayleewyatt 2 years ago
LOL
Thanks, Flee!
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think plenty told him no, but he could find many to say yes
kayleewyatt 2 years ago
Luckily, I'm surrounded by people who have no trouble telling me to stop this, quit that, and don't ever think about the other thing again. But I think your analysis is correct, both of why he was allowed to die like that, and also his legal troubles.
kenrg 2 years ago
The legal troubles are doing now are something I can't even begin to wrap my head around, so I purposely avoided that one with specific references.
Some have said that I jumped the gun by referring to some of this stuff as factual, which is a fair assessment. But hopefully, whatever the real case w/ Jackson's life is or was, this aspect of it can come under a little more examination.
OhCurt 2 years ago
good vlog. that's all i have ;)
speedyconkiwi 2 years ago
That's good enough. Thanks, Kiwi
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
I just keep thinking, could no one have saved him from himself? With such a large family and circle of friends....
there will be plenty of guilt to go around.
Maiyanna 2 years ago
I read something online that there was an intervention in the works, but I don't know how credible that was. If it's true, then that has to bring a whole other layer of stress on them as well.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think you are absolutely right! Blessings, Ang
GramsandPapi 2 years ago
Thanks, Ang
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
Another question to ponder..When is somebody going to say "no" to the Doctors who are prescribing and performing these things. Our society treats Doctors as if they are "Gods"....( I worked at a hospital for four years and have first hand knowledge of some of the stupidity and arrogance that some of them can have.) The system is broken.many of them are no better than the old traveling " I have an elixir that can cure anything salesmen of the 1800's." The drug companies have too much influence
richfranz84 2 years ago
Yeah, no doubt! The more drug company advertising I've seen in various doctors' offices, the less trust overall I've had for those docs (an instinctual thing with me mostly).
I really do hope that one of the things that comes out of this is more scrutiny on that particular industry and how MD's handle themselves within the system.
Nice comparison to the traveling salesman. LOL - humorous and rooted in truth, I think.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Exactly what I thought. Seemed a repeat of Elvis Presley's situation to me.
Somebody had to say it and I'm glad it was you :-)
deantown 2 years ago
Elvis' name keeps coming up lately thanks to some parallels, so you're not alone there.
As for me, well, I sometimes have a big mouth. If that serves a productive purpose now and again, YAY!
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
I'm saddened by the media and we as humans..making such a big deal out of these singers,sports stars, movie stars blah blah blah. Come on... there are more deserving persons besides these over indulged.. media hyped money making lost souls. Are we so arrogant and blameless that we feel the need to make god or whoever or whatever responsible for everything? Don't we have free will and choice? Ok..stop rant.. my opinion and only mine. Luv ya Curt...you little pot stirrer! Lol..should of had a V8!
kismet0717 2 years ago
Wow, did this stir a pot? Go figure. LOL
And RE: free will, YES! That's a huge part of this that I think has been pushed aside just for the sake of wanting peace of mind on this issue - not that peace of mind itself is a bad thing, obvously, just that how can we really grow if we don't acknowledge just how much control we do have over what we do and how?
OhCurt 2 years ago
I haven't followed this very closely due to a slight lack of interest. But from the bits and pieces that I've gathered, it sounds to me like his personal doctor should be put under investigation.
Braehawk 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure the investigation is still under way, at least I hope it is. And from the bits of info that have made it to the press, IF they're correct, then it wasn't just one or two doctors, but an entire network of professionals helping him out.
Something tells me it won't be very pretty.
OhCurt 2 years ago
It's easier when you have people constantly saying yes because it's a form of validation and whether or not we want to admit it, that's something we want and perhaps even crave. It makes a relationship less work to have everything so agreeable. For a lot of people it isn't laziness that makes them not want to put the effort and work into it but, IMHO, a lack of desire to become more self-aware and maybe a lack of social and emotional maturity. Wow, I guess I have a book in me about this. ;-)
SunnyDazStormyNitz 2 years ago
Sounds like an intriguing book there, actually.
Yeah, I think you're on to something. And actually, this whole thing (along with several other recent and historical events) make me increasingly more curious about psychology as a topic. I suppose if I ever go back for another degree, that might be the focus, who knows.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Okay my 2 cents on this subject
I agree we do need to have people in our lives who will bring us back to reality with a firm, "NO!" But in MJ's case, I can not attempt or even imagine what it was like to be him. That does not excuse...it just puts me in a position not to judge unless I have walked a mile in someone's shoes. As far as the religious talk during the memorial. I can not take away or discount what gives a person comfort in order to heal, mourn and move on with life.
My 2 cents.
mtamorphis 2 years ago
Your 2 cents are always worth more than that, Lisa.
I think I get what you mean. The only people who will ever know who went on behind closed doors and can really speak with authroity on it are the people who were there behind the doors after they closed, right?
OhCurt 2 years ago
only 107 takes?
wow, I've got to work on that.
I recently commented on someone's(?) video saying the same thing about how MJ surrounded himself with only people who would agree with him....for a price.
Sadly, in the end, Michael Jackson did what drug addicts do: cut off the people who would try to get between him and his addiction.
There was no 'god' in the equation this time round. Anyways I thought his job was to help win grammys?
LeSaMilano 2 years ago
LOL, I think God's job, according to that crowd, is to help win Oscars, Tonys, and Emmys, but I'm not entirely sure God thinks the Grammy is even a real award.
Either that or He just doesn't like being blamed for Milli Vanilli winning "best new artist" almost 20 years ago.
And did you leave that comment on the video I took down after 3 hours? Holy Grammy Awards, I think you many have!
If so, THANK YOU for helping to plant the seed for this vlog.
OhCurt 2 years ago
he had a granny?
randomwritings 2 years ago
Mind if I agree?
randomwritings 2 years ago
You may.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
sychophant!
randomwritings 2 years ago
There has to be a good elephant pun joke to respond with, but I can't seem to find it.
Must be locked away in a trunk somewhere...
OhCurt 2 years ago
tusk tusk!
randomwritings 2 years ago
I would like to hear what Elizabeth Taylor, the woman who put Betty Ford on the map, has to say about this.
If newswoman Barbara Wawa hadn't morphed into Rona Barrett, this would be a great interview a year from now. Trivia side note: 30 years ago, 20/20 was pitched by Barrett to ABC and Bill Geddes.
IMO it is all about having tethers. Britney seems to have enough of them.
OneoftheImmortals 2 years ago
I love that after all these years we still call her by the last name of "Wawa" - LOL!!
Love it.
I didn't know that about Barrett being the one to co-pitch that show.
Tethers - good term!
OhCurt 2 years ago
Not co-pitched; it was Barrett's baby. Geddes has been Wawa's Puppet and View Master for 30 years; ever since 20/20.
OneoftheImmortals 2 years ago
"Wawa" still being around is a tribute to Gilda Radner. Now, THERE's someone who God called home, and who didn't die by their own wanton behavior.
DahliaKHey 2 years ago
I said NO! CURT!!! no more VIDEOS .. lol j/k.. just trying to be your No supporter ...
banditgirly 2 years ago
Am I a sycophant if I tell you that was an excellent job?
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
Totally agree with you - we need peeps in our lives to help keep us grounded - however from what I've read anytime someone was a 'no' man/woman in his life - they weren't around very long - case in point - the nanny - she called his mom & told her about the drugs - she was fired after 17 years of employ with MJ. What ya gonna do?
Agree about the god thing - anytime we don't understand what happened or won't take responsibility for it - we hang it on the big guy in the sky...
Shields was awesome.
NiteBlogger 2 years ago
The nanny story IS a classic example, I guess. Thing is, MJ is so not alone there. A lot of people in similar positions as him tend to have employees sign agreements that forces them to stay quiet in various ways regarding their personal business. It makes sense on the one hand because who wants the nanny selling secrets to some tabloid, but if she also can't alert a relative to a potential disaster?
Yikes.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Grace was not an enabler, nor did she sell out MJ to tabs...Mallika Chopra (close friend of MJ & Grace) posted on her site ("Intent" dot com) that Grace never said she'd pumped MJs stomach..
The sad reality is - peeps with enough money (just like Howard Hughes) can isolate themselves & self-destruct...(course, there are those living on the streets doing it too - but that's another story)
At any rate, good vid - you're always so good at hitting the mark & getting us to think about these things.
NiteBlogger 2 years ago
you're so right there...
KaiToTheN 2 years ago
Thanks!
OhCurt 2 years ago
After watching this video I went and listened to Shields's tribute speech. Yep, an excellent speech. Brooke's always been a class act.
In theory we all need someone in our lives who'll say "no". In practice the "No Men" are all too often ignored/shunned/marginalized. It takes a lot of courage to be a "No Man". Probably the type of person who'll actually listen and seriously consider what a "No Man" is saying is the type of person who is least in need of a reality check to begin with.
3CoolKats 2 years ago
It's not easy stepping up and telling someone you like, respect, care about, etc., that they're making a mess of things, that's for sure. And there's always that little safety valve of sorts that keeps most of us from doing it because we think, "well, since when am I an expert on what so-and-so should do with their life?"
I did, however, have to tell the Crocfather to stop leaving the seat up all the time.
He didn't take it well.
OhCurt 2 years ago
You are so right. If there were people to tell him no, he was just a phone call away from a yes. I guess money talks. By the way, Curt, your eyes talk... they are just so sincere and so neat.
Hugs,
Joanie
Joan3424 2 years ago
HA! Thanks, Joanie. I dind't know they did that.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
i guess i do avoid many situations where i might be put down or said no to as well.. it makes life a lot easier.. but now im starting to think.. whats the point if there's no risk? makes life pretty dull.
thefirmsk8 2 years ago
Well to be fair, conflict is rarely fun - especially when it's real conflict with people who are in our "comfort zone" as it were. But there's a price for zipping ones lip too many times, I think.
OhCurt 2 years ago
preCISELY. i was thinking the very same thing....to add to that, it irked me when more than a few people said to the effect: "michael never stopped, he gave everything, he was the best he could be...." yes, but he admitted to an addiction long ago and didn't seek help, which made him tragically human. and when it comes down to it, a room full of 'no men' wouldn't make a bit of difference, unless HE himself had wanted change.
he committed a very painfully slow suicide, i believe.
itsBABYSMITH 2 years ago
Interesting points - and I can even equate what you're saying with a real life example from my own personal life. Someone I was once close to would talk repeatedly about being an alcoholic and needing to stop, but this person never had any intention of quitting. In the end it was more than likely just a way to either excuse or buy time til the next drunken outburst.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think a lot more celebrities need "No" people. Like Amy Winehouse. There's a woman who's going to die young if she doesn't get her act together.
markbratton2006 2 years ago
I guess it would be too easy to quote her song lyrics about going to rehap for the sake of a joke, huh?
;-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
You are absolutly right and Im not just saying that!
1DRock37167 2 years ago
lol, Thanks Daryl
OhCurt 2 years ago
I didn't watch the service. I was never a big fan of either the man or the music so to pretend to be now is sort of silly but I don't like the attempts to soften things with "Gods will". God didn't hand him pills for years. Instead of immortalizing flaws, maybe people should use this to educate.
It may sound harsh but I blame friends I've lost due to their own weakness with drugs on themselves and a celeb is no different except he left music behind.
YMMV
childofares 2 years ago
Good points!
What does "YMMV" mean?
OhCurt 2 years ago
Your Mileage May Vary
DahliaKHey 2 years ago
BWAHAHAH!
OhCurt 2 years ago
I consider myself a religious person and I agree one hundred percent. I have had a few people put me in my place several times in life and while it hurt at the time, it led to me opening my eyes about the way I was acting.
I really don't think it was God plan for Mj to be addicted to drugs. I don't think this was how God wanted Mj to come home.
flynlizard 2 years ago
Thank you - yes, that just doesn't wash for me either.
And good thing for the friends who slap us back in line, right?
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
Well......... and people will criticize me for saying this, or even thinking it ....... but immediately on hearing of MJ's demise, my reaction was "well, that solved a lot of problems, now didn't it."
I honestly don't think he had any game plan for being a mature man; it was getting harder and harder, and painful, to be a singer and dancer in his prime, at age 50. (Don't I know about THAT!)
DahliaKHey 2 years ago
OH SNAP!
Actually, I had several different thoughts when the news broke. A similar version of that was among them.
Seems like the only game plan for years was just to keep topping the popularity of the previous album, which after a while was kind of uncomfortable to observe.
OhCurt 2 years ago
It's sad on every level, isn't it?
Perroquet51 2 years ago
It really is - and I could kick myself for not knowing that Cher quote before making this video, btw. It would've fit even better than the one I used.
Maybe the sadness level being so intense is what's helped drive so much of the jokes, who knows.
OhCurt 2 years ago
He left the three children who he loved most in this World; to be raised in the same home that gave him such emotional scares; because he could not say NO!
When we become parents; it's not all about us anymore! When we make bad choices now those who did not ask to be here; suffer. It is sad such a large family and not one of them really knew him; because if they did, may be he would be alive today.
Tinkerlove13 2 years ago
That has always been a family that I've failed to understand, but then again how could I, really. So much doesn't add up but then again, given how information is disseminated, maybe it's no wonder.
OhCurt 2 years ago
With the problems we face right now in our country. I was dissapointed that this guy stole another news cycle. I'm sorry he died but the world did'nt come to an end.
as far as the God thing that is just peoples way of making death seem better somehow. God took him, seems by the record of bible he would like someone like me or you over someone like MJ.
vmanvand 2 years ago
We love our icons, our idols and our pop heroes and today proved that tenfold. I'm not convinced it's as harmless as we tend to believe. And to be honest, I felt sorta dirty doing this and not even acknowledging that other things were still happening in the world.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I hated to rate and ruin your magic number of 42, but had to give my 5*. At first I thought; "Oh dang, another MJ video. Yawn." But it was you, so I listened. You're right of course - we tend to push those who don't say nice things to us away. But sometimes, only someone who really loves you will tell you the things you NEED to hear. Super topic!
thizizliz 2 years ago
I wasn't going to touch it in a video again AT ALL, but then during those key moments during the broadcast, I could feel the "push record button" finger itching.
Oy.
Glad this was tolerable. And thanks for the rating. A lot of the discussion has dragged on a little too long, I think. Wondering if it was like this after Elvis died. I KNOW it was in 1997 when Lady Di was killed in the car accident.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Curt, I am so glad you brought this up. I am so sick of the fact that most are holding him up to be GOD. He was just a human being that sang and made videos. He was never a god, even if he wanted to be. I liked his music but I am glad its over and we can move on to hearing about other stupid stuff in the news...lol. Its over rated in my book. He was just a human being....nothing more and nothing less.
MGB1000 2 years ago
Yeah, these kinds of ceremonies often help jump start people in forward motion again if they've been stalled - which I think we ALL have been lately.
Moving on to other news stories sounds fine by me.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think the investigation is still pending on the folks who were writing and filling prescriptions - if it turns out they were ignoring their own warning lables, I'm guessing there will be intense hell to pay.
Oy.
OhCurt 2 years ago
hearts of atlantis
ooolong9 2 years ago
AH, okay.
THANKS!
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think some people may see that his drug addiction is a cross to bear given by God. Some people have different concepts of what God is and will and will not do. This is where Faith comes into play and what you're willing to challenge forming it. For example, I was in a prayer group shortly after dad and Joe died. The leader was making comments that the good things in her life was b/c she loved God. Really? That would mean that my dad and brother's suffering was a measure of their devotion. grr
LilCav68 2 years ago
Nice. Yeah, we all have good things and bad things in our lives. I was brought up to regard the good things AND bad things as either rewards for hard work, a lack of work, or just random chance.
Too many fantastic people have had horrendous diseases and hardship for me to buy that kind of explanation.
OhCurt 2 years ago
I'm glad that even if I did have a bunch of Yes men surrounding me, I would still be my own worst critic.
AjaxtheGoat 2 years ago
I tend to think the same thing, but who knows. Give me enough cash and too much power...?!
OhCurt 2 years ago
word up, brother.
lifewithbeenie 2 years ago
Yes, Curt.
BoomerChick55 2 years ago
LOL
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think that is what killed Elvis too. It a shame and the sad thing is is that it will happen again and again to those of their ilk.
timido66 2 years ago
It's part of that celebrity train, I guess. If it picks up enough momentum it will just speed right off the tracks and nosedive into the side of a mountain.
I'm Mr. Metaphor today.
Sorry.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Yeah...the references got to me too!
I think there were a lot of people that tried to help him, and did say no. Addiction to pain killers for very real pain (broken back, et al), is a terrible thing not only to be in the middle of, but to watch! The more drugs, the more the brain needs it...etc. The vicious cycle. He was the only one that could have stopped the cycle, and due to his addiction, he couldn't or wouldn't. Sad...very sad...
GreatGig1 2 years ago
I suppose under the right circumstance, any one of us could potentially find ourselves in that same or similar situation. I'd certainly not just sit back and say, "oh sure, I'm in agony, but whatever."
Brooke Shields really did bring the whole thing back down to earth, I thought. At least for the time she was up there speaking.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
On the channel I was watching, when Brooke finished her speech, the commentator said that he had an interview with Michael and when Brooke's name came up, Michael said he really wasn't that close to her...I thought that was a funny thing to say, (funny strange, not funny haha) especially after hearing Brooke! Gotta love the media...
GreatGig1 2 years ago
Okay, now that IS funny-strange.
Take it ALL with a grain of salt - and maybe a twist of lemon, I guess.
OhCurt 2 years ago
It has to feel surprising when the "no" finally pops up too.
Thanks, Billy.
OhCurt 2 years ago
There's very little in this world more aggravating to me than someone who tells you what they think you want to hear all the time to avoid conflict, when often the lie snowballs and it leads to bigger conflict down the road.
I ask questions and give others opportunities to state their point of view for a reason, because I'm an adult and I can handle that others won't agree with me all the time, not to be bullshitted to death.
DILLIGAF333 2 years ago
THANK YOU!
Yeah, the only time I wanna be lied to is when I'm having sex.
Some honesty is just too much, really...
OhCurt 2 years ago
Curt...
Do you ever wonder if viewers look at the tags? Well, I look at tags, and I noticed the word "sycophant" which is a word I only learned within the past year.
Yes, Michael Jackson's death and some of what was said at his televised memorial has me reflecting about things in my life.
DebUSA 2 years ago
Ah, cool. Nice to know the tags are serving a purpose.
:-)
It's probably one of the most valuable keepsakes from something like this, gaining some personal insight.
OhCurt 2 years ago
Good points! We can all learn from this but do we. The celebs never seem to learn especially since they live in a weird world of illusion. Always enjoy your POV. Thanks, I agree that God did not take him or anyone for that matter. Sending my thoughts through the looking glass.
♡ ƙarolyn
weeknightingale 2 years ago
I remember reading in that Fame Junkies book several months ago some of the various duties that personal assistants are expected to do. It was a bizarre, cartoonish list of self indulgences that I don't think anyone could have just made up on their own.
OhCurt 2 years ago
This was really a fifty year advert for how stupid it is to be a pushy parent.
BaubleRob 2 years ago
SO TRUE!
There was a point in the whole thing where someone congratulated his parents on moulding his talent for the world to share in (paraphrasing here). I just cringed at that.
OhCurt 2 years ago
i agree with that completely
TheYamahalover 2 years ago
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
DITTO!!! The thing is that when people get so powerful, the loved ones and those around them don't want to be left out...So they become "Yes Men or Women." It happened to Elvis.
(((Hugs)))
~Mimi
Ya letting the beard grow? I say it looks good. Does that make me a "Yes Woman?"
Lethesunshine 2 years ago
How about Yes Persons?
:-D
And, no, not really trying for a beard. Just got distracted with computer the last couple days (fixed now) so I'm off kilter a bit. If only I COULD grow decent facial hair.
It would make me look more butch!
OhCurt 2 years ago
I think that each of our lives is in God's hands. It's up to us whether we allow Him to do the good things that He has planned for us. When He's ready for us to no longer live, then our lives cease. You, me, everyone.
You do make some good points in your video curt. I hope that people will walk away from it having learned something and maybe asking themselves some really important questions about their own lives.
scutter4christ 2 years ago
I've never gone for the divine plan explanation, but I won't hassle anyone else for believing it.
Anyway, if we can take something away from these things that help us grow, then I guess they've done their job.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
I agree totally. You make an excellent point.
pakaza 2 years ago
Thanks!
*check's in the mail*
;-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
If you have enough money...eventually people will stop sayingg "No".
sign543 2 years ago
Yes.
:-D
OhCurt 2 years ago
You speak a lot of sense. I think people like Jackson needed people around him to keep him in line and to make right decisions, especially when it comes to health and saving lives. I like that old proverb at the end.
HaleyMary 2 years ago
I think you worded that perfectly.
Nothing I can think of to add to it.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
one of my favorite movie phrases that i kept and use was from a movie called "hearts in atlantis" when the bartender said "He never bought a drunk a drink, that's for sure." i use that phrase sometimes someone insistent that really does needs to be told no.
ooolong9 2 years ago
I really like that line.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
if you haven't you should see the movie. made me cry.
ooolong9 2 years ago
Crap - I forgot to ask: what's the movie title?
OhCurt 2 years ago
That makes a lot of sense
NBMonkey 2 years ago
Anyway, thanks for not spinning around this time.
I'm just not up to that today! :)
audionautix 2 years ago
LOL - always happy to oblige any way I can, Jason.
And I didn't know about the not eating stuff. Good grief, talk about self abuse!
OhCurt 2 years ago
Many factors led to Micheal's death, not the least of which is, for the few days preceding, he wasn't eating, which is hard on the heart, he was doing rather strenous rehersals which he hadn't done in a while, and some around him noted he wasn't drinking any water. Add to this mix the drugs, and you have a fatal mix.
audionautix 2 years ago
Stop reading those papers.
Peace
Velvina39 2 years ago
Anything that went on in the Staples Center I don't connect to anyone's real life, including Michael Jackson's.
People you interact with should be willing to challenge you and vice versa. It's also incumbent on both sides to be receptive to it.
Oddly this MJ thing, which mostly I had on in the background, capped off a few weeks of mulling over how much is too much on the internet and pop culture? I've concluded that it doesn't take much to cross over to "too much" and to be more selective now.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
I hear ya.
For me I think the measuring stick still is the OJ trial. That killed TV news for me.
And hopefully other topics will be making headlines before the week is up. From what I understand, even some of those folks who work in news have been ready for this to be over.
OhCurt 2 years ago
so this guy who's a writer, humorist, reviewer in Arizona tweets: (@goodyk) MJ tribute: overblown, entertaining, weird, heartbreaking - fitting
That sums it up I thought.
One thing that has startled me since early 2007 when world events really started moving, is how much and how rapid significant news events are happening and just keep coming. I don't think that's changing...next story!
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
Yeah, that's a pretty accurate review. A total spectacle to match the public spectacle that surrounded him in life.
As for other news stories, I have to say I was a little heart sick to see the Iran election disappear from Twitter's trending topics while "KFC" was up there.
*head shake*
OhCurt 2 years ago
perhaps therein lies the weirdness...we're swinging back to escapist stuff and feel guilty, that we only feel slightly guilty about it? Instead of facing big issues ahead of us we're right back in the TMZ?
I haven't commented on the drug use and who is going to "just say no." Did MJ ever even have the capability to separate show biz and fantasy from real life, since he was immersed in it from age 5? The anesthesiology drug in the house really crossed a line I can't comprehend.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
LOL, nice assessment of the neurotic elements at play in all this for us spectators. Too funny!
TMZ is a painful site to visit. I can't do it anymore. If I click on a link and it takes me there, I wince a little.
OhCurt 2 years ago
It is not one's place to assume God's will. Even for false comfort. I agree with the "Yes Man" theory.
MaryJaneSlingBacks 2 years ago
I sometimes wonder who buys the magazines about stars in the first place.
The press destroyed Michael Jackson.
To say it in Michael's words.
Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
Velvina39 2 years ago
Those lyrics - from Childhood or Leave Me Alone?
OhCurt 2 years ago
Childhood
:-)
Velvina39 2 years ago
Crap, someone already said No.
How about Maybe? :)
Blizzeekitty 2 years ago
Perhaps?
;-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
kindasortayeah
kayleewyatt 2 years ago