@Tanoro I didn't attack him, I attacked his method making baseless assertions with nothing more than his preconceived biases to guide him. If that isn't attacking his ideas then I don't know what is
@TheBelegur "I wonder why you have so much hatred for that which has done you no harm" this was your assumption, I have shown no hatred towards anything, only a moral disdain for the books of the bible.
as far as ASSumption you're the one taking offence to it when I said nothing towards you
@AtheosTheAtheist You put clear emphasis on the word "ass," so you were labeling something as such. I've never called an idea an "ass" before, but I have put that label on people before. It's possible I am missing the context, but it appeared to be a personal attack to me.
@Tanoro LOL...If i wanted to have a practical impact on his assumptions it would take re-education. My goal was to point out the fact he was making assumptions and it was making him look like an ass.
There is no constitutional right that guarantees freedom "from" religion, only freedom "of" religion.
1st amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof;
God is not unconstitutional. I wish people would stop running scared from these intolerant atheistic bigots, and their low life lawyers. If people of faith can't publicly express themselves than these fascist have won their long war on our culture. If so God help us all.
@TheBelegur "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." That means exactly and precisely, "no religious establishments declared by law." If Congress isn't allowed to declare a religious establishment, then what religion are we suppose to be, by law? We're not required to be of any religion and thus, "freedom *FROM* religion" applies. Get over it. You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, but the law remains.
@Tanoro Nicely half quoted. Lets try the rest "or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof;" Which means you have no constitutional guarantee NOT to be offended. I know all you hyper sensitive atheist bare emotional scars from public display of faith. The 10 commandments on a court house wall? Forget that western law has in large part been founded on them rip them down! A babe is swaddling clothing in the month of December? File a law suit that must be unconstitutional! Get over yourselves.
@TheBelegur If your position is so right, why do you have breach the 9th commandment to maintain it? We're not stopping you from practicing your religion, in public or otherwise. We're stopping you from illegally making us pay for it. There's a difference. We're not necessarily offended by it either. Our objection is that it's not constitutional to force the rest of us to pay for your worship. Pay for it yourself and stop crying victim.
@Tanoro No one is crying here but the hyper sensitive atheist. Again no one is being "forced" to pray. No gun is being held to anyone's head. As for the 9th commandment I am not bearing false witness against anyone.
@TheBelegur Yes, you are. When making any kind of implication that Atheists are stopping you from worshiping, you are bearing false witness. Atheists would have no objection at all to your worship if you kept it to yourself as Jesus instructed (Matthew 6:1-6).
@Tanoro Well this one atheist certainly stop a prayer at this graduation ceremony. As for taking a biblical verses out of context to make your point I assure you I can find a great deal more instructing Christians to proclaim with their mouths the glory of God. So, we can give thanks to God as long as we do it in our prayer closets? I thought you liberals where for people coming out of the closet and getting in peoples faces.
@TheBelegur Out of context? The typical defense of Christians who get caught in their own scripture is to pretend it was out of context so they can dismiss it. It wouldn't surprise me that you can find verses to contrary in there, but I'm not here to discuss Biblical contradictions. And no, he unfortunately couldn't stop the prayer. In spite of his treatment, they had it anyway out of spite.
@Tanoro Now I am being a typical Christian. OK fine if that helps you get through your day. Need we discuss the difference between when scripture is being paradoxical and contradiction? I am glad to hear the rights of the majority where not trampled in this case. I can't say I know what is in other peoples hearts so I don't know if spite had anything to do with their motive to include the prayer at this ceremony.
@TheBelegur given the number of denominations who all disagree on which parts are paradoxical and which are contradiction yes I think all you Christians should get together.and have a nice long talk about that so you can come to an agreement..something that hasn't happened in oh.....2012 years?
@AtheosTheAtheist You are in a snit tonight aren't you? I don't think the word of God contradicts itself at all (a comment I am sure will send you into an even deeper snit). It hasn't been 2012 years exactly but I am willing to let the less than accurate math go as well. It's all in how you read the book if you agree with this or that interpretation. At least Christians are not killing each other over it. :)
@TheBelegur In other words, the book is entirely open to interpretation and can mean whatever you want it to mean at any given time based on how you spin it. Tell me something I don't know. :p
even if your statement was correct what does that have anything to do with it? And thank you for agreeing that it's all up to personal interpretation AKA We aint got a clue what parts mean what
@AtheosTheAtheist I have indeed heard of the IRA. The struggle to unite Ireland had nothing to do with being catholic or protestant. It was about the way the English divided up the country. The press misnamed it as a struggle between the Catholics vs protestants. I never said "We aint got a clue what parts mean what" Must have been a misinterpretation on your part. :)
@TheBelegur I guess that's open to interpretation much like your holy book which contains all truth
and we could argue about the reasons for war all day..point is there are hundreds of thousands of christian denominations most very different from the others. the bible has lead to mass confusion and nothing else
@AtheosTheAtheist I am sure you will see no positive contributions made to the western culture, or to the world in general from Christianity, and I would be wasting both our time arguing point for point to the contrary. As for mass confusion most Christian denominations agree on the major points. I am not a bit bothered by the minor differences.
@TheBelegur way to ASSume. Christianity built many beautiful buildings, paid for countless peices of great art, and the catholic church to this day has scientific research it is funding.
I am disturbed at how these things were paid for but I do not deny they are beautiful. You agree with the mormons that god is a physical being living on an invisible planet and that he physically had sex with the mother of jesus?
the only thing christians agree on is that jesus existed and died
@AtheosTheAtheist the Mormons are not a Christian denomination. They are a cult, and their teachings are widely rejected by Christians everywhere as are the teachings of the Jehovah witnesses, christian scientist, Scientology, etc. The fundamentals of the gospel are taught by all Christian denominations. I have been a Christian for 35 years. Do you really think I don't what the Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist, Pentecostals, or any other Christian denomination teaches?
@AtheosTheAtheist I am certain they do. If I where them i would be hesitant to join an organization based on the character of Joesph Smith. Just as I would not have joined the branch Dravidian, heavens gate, or Jim Jones peoples temple. I suppose a golden calf might make a nice door stop.
@TheBelegur If i were you I would be hestitant to join an organization based on the character of Abhraham, Joeseph, David, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and etc of all the horrible people who founded the abrahamic religions
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 2 Timothy 1:12
I wonder why you have so much hatred for that which has done you no harm, and I am sorry but you know almost nothing about?
@AtheosTheAtheist Perhaps I base what I say on what you say. Can you articulate a position I don't have to make assumptions about? By the way the personal attack AGAIN calling me an ASS in assumptions?
@TheBelegur Answer this for me. Do you believe holding a Muslim prayer instead would have been equally welcome? Or perhaps a Wiccan invocation? If your fellow Christians objected to a group wanting to do this at a graduation, do you think this would violate the Muslims'/Wiccans' right to worship?
@Tanoro I think the Muslim invocation has already occurred (possibly in Dearborn, MI but I won't swear to it). If the majority agreed on a pagan Wicca invocation personally I would stay home. I would not claim victimhood, try to stop it, or sue anyone. The majority ruled in this as it so often does in a republic. I would simply let it go.
@TheBelegur Your favorite part of that amendment is obviously, "or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof." If some religious fundies wanted to bring back ritual human sacrifice, would you be ok with that? Otherwise, would you be willing to prohibit that action on the grounds that it violates the rights of the individual to be sacrificed? Which is it?
@TheBelegur That's correct. And your rights to worship whatever religion you want ends at the point where it effects other people absent their choice.
@Tanoro So, you agree offering a prayer of gratitude to God at a graduation ceremony, while offering atheist the opportunity to simply not participate is fine, or do you still believe you have a right not to be offended? Because if I have a right NOT to be offended there a great many things like Christina Aguilar's singing I would do away with. :)
@TheBelegur No, I won't agree to that and I already told you that it is not a matter of personal offense. I have been in situations myself where, in a room full of Christians praying, not praying earned me cold stares, ridicule, and exclusion. Being an Atheist in that situation, I have few choices. 1.) Lie and pretend to pray when I shouldn't have to; 2.) BE ridiculed; 3.) Leave and be excluded. Christians don't usually care, so long as they can pray in public, fairness be damned.
@TheBelegur As long as the graduation is not interupted by the prayers..and the prayers do not use any taxpayer money to promote them..such as using the loud speakers paid for with taxpayer money..using electricity to power those speakers. etc
da problem iz u racist bastards pretending not to be racist smh...in fact if u dont know louisiana iz da home of da kkk..if u going to talk about strop city tell da truth cracker...
@Tanoro people always want to talk about da bullshit..wat about da other towns n morehouse parish mer rouge etc..close delta down/white ppl with money.. tell da truth bruh.......u aint talkn bout shit.
HHmmmm, well I just sat and listened to this dribble, even though it is 6 months old. Now I realize that is 16 minutes of my life I will never get back......what a bunch of whiners! If he didn't like the way the community felt, he should have left town. Why is the rights of one individual more important than the rights of the rest of the community? And if you would check your facts, you would see that the school prayer was not sanctioned by the school. The Valedictorian did it on her own.
@rebelghost01 If you check your facts, the prayer was initially part of the plan for the ceremony and was, thus, sanctioned by the school. Damon objected to this and the faculty canceled the prayer, as they should. As a result, he was forced out of town by an angry, bigoted community. Damon expressing his constitutional right to not be made to participate in a religious practice doesn't deny the community their right to do so. By the way, it's "drivel," smart guy.
@stevenw2032 Pray all you want, but bigots are still assholes whether God exists or not and putting God first (just because you say so) won't change the immorality of it. Religiously motivated discrimination and hatred is STILL discrimination and hatred...period! If you encourage the behavior of the Bastrop community, then you are as immoral as they are, which is why Christians outside of Bastrop spoke out against their actions as well.
i hate this place so much, it is a hell hole i wish i knew him went to the same school i cant believe he was forced out of town but when i start to think about it it doesn't surprise me at all especially the death threats. they are so closed minded it is impossible to be treated as an equal if your not christian. it truly is a horrid place to live. good video btw
bastrop,la has gone to hell.paper mill closed.hardly any jobs,there's hardly nothin here.and on top of that too many damn.........couseing trouble.i wouldnt have did that pray also..and i hope one day they try to make me try.it pissed me off!!!
@Tanoro I didn't attack him, I attacked his method making baseless assertions with nothing more than his preconceived biases to guide him. If that isn't attacking his ideas then I don't know what is
@TheBelegur "I wonder why you have so much hatred for that which has done you no harm" this was your assumption, I have shown no hatred towards anything, only a moral disdain for the books of the bible.
as far as ASSumption you're the one taking offence to it when I said nothing towards you
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist You put clear emphasis on the word "ass," so you were labeling something as such. I've never called an idea an "ass" before, but I have put that label on people before. It's possible I am missing the context, but it appeared to be a personal attack to me.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro when you ASSume you make an ASS out of U and ME ASS-U-ME its a pretty common saying.
AtheosTheAtheist 1 week ago
@AtheosTheAtheist Yes, I've heard it before. It's an entertaining little one-liner with little or no practical application.
Tanoro 1 week ago
@Tanoro LOL...If i wanted to have a practical impact on his assumptions it would take re-education. My goal was to point out the fact he was making assumptions and it was making him look like an ass.
AtheosTheAtheist 1 week ago
@AtheosTheAtheist Noted. Clever one-liners are tempting, but it pays to be as clear as possible so as to avoid confusion. :)
Tanoro 1 week ago
@TheBelegur majority rule doesnt trump constitution
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
There is no constitutional right that guarantees freedom "from" religion, only freedom "of" religion.
1st amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof;
God is not unconstitutional. I wish people would stop running scared from these intolerant atheistic bigots, and their low life lawyers. If people of faith can't publicly express themselves than these fascist have won their long war on our culture. If so God help us all.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." That means exactly and precisely, "no religious establishments declared by law." If Congress isn't allowed to declare a religious establishment, then what religion are we suppose to be, by law? We're not required to be of any religion and thus, "freedom *FROM* religion" applies. Get over it. You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, but the law remains.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro Nicely half quoted. Lets try the rest "or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof;" Which means you have no constitutional guarantee NOT to be offended. I know all you hyper sensitive atheist bare emotional scars from public display of faith. The 10 commandments on a court house wall? Forget that western law has in large part been founded on them rip them down! A babe is swaddling clothing in the month of December? File a law suit that must be unconstitutional! Get over yourselves.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur If your position is so right, why do you have breach the 9th commandment to maintain it? We're not stopping you from practicing your religion, in public or otherwise. We're stopping you from illegally making us pay for it. There's a difference. We're not necessarily offended by it either. Our objection is that it's not constitutional to force the rest of us to pay for your worship. Pay for it yourself and stop crying victim.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro No one is crying here but the hyper sensitive atheist. Again no one is being "forced" to pray. No gun is being held to anyone's head. As for the 9th commandment I am not bearing false witness against anyone.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur Yes, you are. When making any kind of implication that Atheists are stopping you from worshiping, you are bearing false witness. Atheists would have no objection at all to your worship if you kept it to yourself as Jesus instructed (Matthew 6:1-6).
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro Well this one atheist certainly stop a prayer at this graduation ceremony. As for taking a biblical verses out of context to make your point I assure you I can find a great deal more instructing Christians to proclaim with their mouths the glory of God. So, we can give thanks to God as long as we do it in our prayer closets? I thought you liberals where for people coming out of the closet and getting in peoples faces.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur Out of context? The typical defense of Christians who get caught in their own scripture is to pretend it was out of context so they can dismiss it. It wouldn't surprise me that you can find verses to contrary in there, but I'm not here to discuss Biblical contradictions. And no, he unfortunately couldn't stop the prayer. In spite of his treatment, they had it anyway out of spite.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro Now I am being a typical Christian. OK fine if that helps you get through your day. Need we discuss the difference between when scripture is being paradoxical and contradiction? I am glad to hear the rights of the majority where not trampled in this case. I can't say I know what is in other peoples hearts so I don't know if spite had anything to do with their motive to include the prayer at this ceremony.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur given the number of denominations who all disagree on which parts are paradoxical and which are contradiction yes I think all you Christians should get together.and have a nice long talk about that so you can come to an agreement..something that hasn't happened in oh.....2012 years?
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist You are in a snit tonight aren't you? I don't think the word of God contradicts itself at all (a comment I am sure will send you into an even deeper snit). It hasn't been 2012 years exactly but I am willing to let the less than accurate math go as well. It's all in how you read the book if you agree with this or that interpretation. At least Christians are not killing each other over it. :)
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur In other words, the book is entirely open to interpretation and can mean whatever you want it to mean at any given time based on how you spin it. Tell me something I don't know. :p
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur ever heard of the IRA?
even if your statement was correct what does that have anything to do with it? And thank you for agreeing that it's all up to personal interpretation AKA We aint got a clue what parts mean what
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist I have indeed heard of the IRA. The struggle to unite Ireland had nothing to do with being catholic or protestant. It was about the way the English divided up the country. The press misnamed it as a struggle between the Catholics vs protestants. I never said "We aint got a clue what parts mean what" Must have been a misinterpretation on your part. :)
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur I guess that's open to interpretation much like your holy book which contains all truth
and we could argue about the reasons for war all day..point is there are hundreds of thousands of christian denominations most very different from the others. the bible has lead to mass confusion and nothing else
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist I am sure you will see no positive contributions made to the western culture, or to the world in general from Christianity, and I would be wasting both our time arguing point for point to the contrary. As for mass confusion most Christian denominations agree on the major points. I am not a bit bothered by the minor differences.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur way to ASSume. Christianity built many beautiful buildings, paid for countless peices of great art, and the catholic church to this day has scientific research it is funding.
I am disturbed at how these things were paid for but I do not deny they are beautiful. You agree with the mormons that god is a physical being living on an invisible planet and that he physically had sex with the mother of jesus?
the only thing christians agree on is that jesus existed and died
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist the Mormons are not a Christian denomination. They are a cult, and their teachings are widely rejected by Christians everywhere as are the teachings of the Jehovah witnesses, christian scientist, Scientology, etc. The fundamentals of the gospel are taught by all Christian denominations. I have been a Christian for 35 years. Do you really think I don't what the Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist, Pentecostals, or any other Christian denomination teaches?
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur thats funny the mormons say the SAME thing about your denominations...huh....
wow 35 years..you almost have enough time in for a free golden calf don't you?
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist I am certain they do. If I where them i would be hesitant to join an organization based on the character of Joesph Smith. Just as I would not have joined the branch Dravidian, heavens gate, or Jim Jones peoples temple. I suppose a golden calf might make a nice door stop.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur If i were you I would be hestitant to join an organization based on the character of Abhraham, Joeseph, David, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and etc of all the horrible people who founded the abrahamic religions
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist I knew this was coming next.
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 2 Timothy 1:12
I wonder why you have so much hatred for that which has done you no harm, and I am sorry but you know almost nothing about?
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur I wonder why you make so many ASSumptions
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist Perhaps I base what I say on what you say. Can you articulate a position I don't have to make assumptions about? By the way the personal attack AGAIN calling me an ASS in assumptions?
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@AtheosTheAtheist I have to back Belegur on that last, Atheos. We don't want to get into nasty name-calling. Ridicule ideas, not people.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur Answer this for me. Do you believe holding a Muslim prayer instead would have been equally welcome? Or perhaps a Wiccan invocation? If your fellow Christians objected to a group wanting to do this at a graduation, do you think this would violate the Muslims'/Wiccans' right to worship?
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro I think the Muslim invocation has already occurred (possibly in Dearborn, MI but I won't swear to it). If the majority agreed on a pagan Wicca invocation personally I would stay home. I would not claim victimhood, try to stop it, or sue anyone. The majority ruled in this as it so often does in a republic. I would simply let it go.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur Your favorite part of that amendment is obviously, "or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof." If some religious fundies wanted to bring back ritual human sacrifice, would you be ok with that? Otherwise, would you be willing to prohibit that action on the grounds that it violates the rights of the individual to be sacrificed? Which is it?
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro There are already laws against murder. Your rights to swing your fist in the air ends where the tip of my nose begins.
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur That's correct. And your rights to worship whatever religion you want ends at the point where it effects other people absent their choice.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@Tanoro So, you agree offering a prayer of gratitude to God at a graduation ceremony, while offering atheist the opportunity to simply not participate is fine, or do you still believe you have a right not to be offended? Because if I have a right NOT to be offended there a great many things like Christina Aguilar's singing I would do away with. :)
TheBelegur 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur No, I won't agree to that and I already told you that it is not a matter of personal offense. I have been in situations myself where, in a room full of Christians praying, not praying earned me cold stares, ridicule, and exclusion. Being an Atheist in that situation, I have few choices. 1.) Lie and pretend to pray when I shouldn't have to; 2.) BE ridiculed; 3.) Leave and be excluded. Christians don't usually care, so long as they can pray in public, fairness be damned.
Tanoro 3 weeks ago
@TheBelegur As long as the graduation is not interupted by the prayers..and the prayers do not use any taxpayer money to promote them..such as using the loud speakers paid for with taxpayer money..using electricity to power those speakers. etc
AtheosTheAtheist 3 weeks ago
da problem iz u racist bastards pretending not to be racist smh...in fact if u dont know louisiana iz da home of da kkk..if u going to talk about strop city tell da truth cracker...
illy2431 1 month ago
@illy2431 Uh, wow. How did racism get into this? Are you serious or are you just trolling?
Tanoro 1 month ago
@Tanoro because racists iz da big fuckn issue n bastrop..so u dont know about bastrop dont reply on my fuckn text..
illy2431 1 month ago
@Tanoro people always want to talk about da bullshit..wat about da other towns n morehouse parish mer rouge etc..close delta down/white ppl with money.. tell da truth bruh.......u aint talkn bout shit.
illy2431 1 month ago
@illy2431 I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you use normal English so I can understand?
Tanoro 1 month ago
HHmmmm, well I just sat and listened to this dribble, even though it is 6 months old. Now I realize that is 16 minutes of my life I will never get back......what a bunch of whiners! If he didn't like the way the community felt, he should have left town. Why is the rights of one individual more important than the rights of the rest of the community? And if you would check your facts, you would see that the school prayer was not sanctioned by the school. The Valedictorian did it on her own.
rebelghost01 2 months ago
@rebelghost01 If you check your facts, the prayer was initially part of the plan for the ceremony and was, thus, sanctioned by the school. Damon objected to this and the faculty canceled the prayer, as they should. As a result, he was forced out of town by an angry, bigoted community. Damon expressing his constitutional right to not be made to participate in a religious practice doesn't deny the community their right to do so. By the way, it's "drivel," smart guy.
Tanoro 2 months ago
This is what's wrong with this country....people like you. You have to put god first. I pray that god will show himself to you.
stevenw2032 5 months ago
@stevenw2032 Pray all you want, but bigots are still assholes whether God exists or not and putting God first (just because you say so) won't change the immorality of it. Religiously motivated discrimination and hatred is STILL discrimination and hatred...period! If you encourage the behavior of the Bastrop community, then you are as immoral as they are, which is why Christians outside of Bastrop spoke out against their actions as well.
Tanoro 5 months ago
i hate this place so much, it is a hell hole i wish i knew him went to the same school i cant believe he was forced out of town but when i start to think about it it doesn't surprise me at all especially the death threats. they are so closed minded it is impossible to be treated as an equal if your not christian. it truly is a horrid place to live. good video btw
darkhill5 5 months ago
@darkhill5 I've heard that statement several times and I find it hilariously ironic that people are calling Bastrop a "hell hole". :)
Tanoro 5 months ago
bastrop,la has gone to hell.paper mill closed.hardly any jobs,there's hardly nothin here.and on top of that too many damn.........couseing trouble.i wouldnt have did that pray also..and i hope one day they try to make me try.it pissed me off!!!
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