This sounds like a good idea. Until. What happens when you get into an accident and 2 months later there's a lawyer beating on your door saying you owe for not only the battery, but also for all the future money the battery company lost because the battery was destroyed in the accident? Of which all the numbers will be exaggerated by the company. That check you got to replace your wrecked car, will instead go to pay off the lawyer and the battery company. In the end, you will lose.
great idea. great vision. only one thing - US never send a man to the moon. check the facts, i believe you know how to search after all the research you have done regarding electric cars.
@mmca2 "US never send a man to the moon" If you're trying to say we faked the moon landing, you're a nut job. You're going to try to convince me that tens of thousands of people have kept it a secret for over 40 years! Really? Not one single person has come forward with evidence of their involvement with a cover up of that magnitude. In this day and age! If anyone had proof the landing was a fake, they would sell their proof, and their story to the highest bidder. No one has done that. No one.
I do not argue with you. A lot more ppl with a lot more knowledge than me and you have investigated the facts. take a look and judge for yourself:
search here for "Documentary - Moon Landing Hoax".
Observe the facts, listen to the nasa spokesman's response and think for yourself.
If any of these guys, describing the little facts, were lying, they would have their butt sewed off, at least. and this movie had never seen a bright day.
@mmca2 The moon landing DID happen. It would be impossible to keep that many people quiet for all these years. If it were a fake, someone would have sold out for a big chunk of cash by now. Or the government would have killed off everyone who had a part in it. The first didn't happen, and the second is so "Hollywood" that it couldn't happen. Think of how many people would be involved in a cover-up that big. Mind bogglingly absurd! It happened. Stop seeing things that aren't there!
@mmca2 Oh, one more thing. If you can get a really nice telescope, you can see the landing site. Don't try coming back with something about how the US government has a way of faking that too.
KhadaKuraki thank you for your mature and open minded comment. NOT! Keep an open mind and remember there are inventors out there with brilliant ideas that go beyond electric cars. Unlike your not so brilliant insults. Nothing wrong with a good debate, but if you need to be rude, keep it to yourself.
There are other options. I cannot go into detail, but I know one company out there who is making the better mouse trap. This mouse trap will have the POWER to push big vehicles including tractor trailers, with amazing fuel mileage. No batteries needed.
Is there somehwere I can read the details of his plan? How would the infrastructure be developed and how much would it cost? How does battery swapping reduce the cost? How do we get the powerplants needed to provide all of the electricity and would it come from nuclear, solar, or what. How does he overcome the problems of solar and wind in terms of consistent energy production? What about the grid?
for those who thinks battery pollutes, keep in mind that the first thing car companies like honda and toyota buys back when the car get into an accident is the battery. it's because it's recyclable. even acid battery gets recycle too, go visit the car junk yard before throwing in your contradiction. any idea is better then no idea, Agassi is actually trying something here.
1:Like shuforce already said, batteries are recyclable - 90% of a lithium battery if I remember right.
2:Why the hell should the battery swap station give you a not fully charged battery? Jeez!?! There will be enough capacity per swap station so this doesn't happen.
3:The Batteries have a climate system for that situation.
1: To get that many batteries requires production on a MASSIVE scale
yes, mass production is needed, as well as for fixed battery EVs. But that has nothing to do with your prior question.
2: Because charging costs money
Of course it does, but YOU are paying for the charge. So by contract Better Place has to deliver you a fully charged battery. I don't understand your concern in this point.
3: eehm...what?
The battery is heated or cooled so a constant temperature is maintained.
You're thinking WAY to naive. You're trusting others to do things for you....
Eventually electric cars will become unavoidable (hopefully one day someone will design one that actually looks good :X ). But for now...with current technologies.. It won't work. And don't hope for too much development. The oil companies and (more importantly) the governments have way too much influence...they'll try to keep the oil flowing as long as possible
Well yes I trust other people very much indeed. E.g. I trust that the train conductor brings me from A to B. I trust that the pilot flies me safely from A to B. I trust that when I fill up gasoline it IS gasoline and not diesel. And I expect that when I have a contract the contractor will do his duty because I pay for it!
1: Uhm...did I mention recycling?! Of course the initial mass production will demand the most energy, foremost the digging for the lithium. But when it's all in the cycle, it should cost far less energy to produce new batteries.
2: You don't trust an AUTOMATED(= no humans) battery switch station, an emotionless machine, did I get that right? It won't be crowded because mostly you will plug-in at home or at a parking lot.
2: (additional Question) What people will do which mistakes, explain a little bit more.
3:I guess the heating or cooling will only be active when you are driving or the EV is pluged in. Why do you have the assumption that the engineers are that dumb? The cold isn't bad for the Battery while it isn't used. It IS bad when it is used AND cold.
4:Like Agassi in the video already said, Better Place is buying energy from alternative sources.
5:WTF?!? Do you think that Better Place will run down the batteries to the last kWh so that their customers only get 1 mile per battery swap? Really? Of course there will be a certain threshold where "worn" batteries are sorted out but it will be way before 40 miles per battery.
@d1oftwins 4: Great...what if (hypothetically) every car runs on batteries...You can't fuel them with energy from alternative sources...they're not efficient enough.
4: The increase of EVs will raise slowly so alternative energy sources can grow with it. And there is a little technique called "smart grid" so you can't put down the grid by charging EVs. EVs are even a natural partner to wind power because peak wind power can be taken easily by EVs.
5: So you GENERALLY DON'T TRUST Better Place, even if they give you guaranties by contract? Well then just LOL ^^. It is your own problem then.
"We are bound with the laws of physics and the laws of economics." . . . "How do you do it from the power of the consumer, up... not from the power of an edict, down."
How utterly refreshing to hear someone who is seriously working for environmental issues, that also understands the reality of science and economics. The green revolution will blossom best when economics are taken into account. It is coming, inevitably, and the dinosaurs that don't change will surely die. As they should.
@dfdtdfdx If the new tech is better than oil, wouldn't it make more sense for Africa to bypass oil-based industries and go straight to renewable resources?
I feel it would be wiser to use a hybrid that uses flex fuel that uses gas among other more cost efficient and greener choices. This way we use the current infrastructure and start going towards a more efficient energy and green energy source, be it electrical (if it does not use coal to be made), hydrogen,bio fuels or etc.
continuation for other comment It turns into the chicken and the egg theory. Again it is a nice thought. I have done some research. So where my opinion comes from has fact to back it up. We have gas currently as the current infrastructure.
Dandaniels1978 I was not commenting on how long it would take to swap a battery. My concern is the infrastructure. Which like anything else on a national or global would take years to implement, electric grid or no electric grid. Batteries for such a concept or currently very expensive. Even GM has not started selling the Volt because of cost factors. Tesla starting at $95,000 for their electric car, it is a little high for the general population.
@pianovocal This is the kind of pessimism that will defeat you my friend. When the chips are down (Intel) and the US gives the "Green Light" excuse the pun! I have every faith that the people of the US could move a mountain (think about the impossibilities of the Hoover Dam or man on the moon etc. I also suggest you read "Start Up Nation" (trust me on this) Set aside your political prejudice on Israel and read the book. You begin to see a different perspective on what can and can't be done.
I agree with arfdog. To change the infrastructure, would be huge. I can appreciate your enthusiasm bannor99, I am all for enthusiasm, but along with enthusiasm one needs to keep it real. I have studied different inventions out there about cars of the future. Trust me there are great ideas out there, that will not demand such an infrastructure to make no gas or extremely high mileage POWERFUL car a reality.
@pianovocal Actually, most of the infrastructure is already there - the electrical grid. The Battery Swap stations are to deal (mostly) with range anxiety for the long trip. The other part is the installation of charge spots.
My enthusiasm for Agassi's plan is that he does keep it real - he's really thought this through. There's a 1hr talk in Australia that gives more info as to the economics of the plan. Also, his plan doesnt need any new inventions - we've seen too many that didn't deliver.
I did listen to all 19:10 seconds of the video. Yes it was talked about switching out batteries. But unless there is a cost to the public, it is going to be very difficult to implement such a concept. It is a nice concept, but so is
Santa Claus :) There are smarter ways to make an economical powerful car, without all the hassle of switching batteries. Mining lithium to non existence, etc, etc. There are more efficient auto inventions out there......
Very nice presentation, well thought out. The guy is smart. But this is pie in the sky. He's talking about changing an entire national economy to electric cars all at once. Aint gonna happen like that. First, actual electric cars need to come out. Then infrastructure will follow. You can't build infrastructure before the electric car because no one will take the risk. The car has to come first.
@TheArfdog He's pulling all the pieces together - but you're wrong about the car coming first since current electrics have range limitations and that's the piece that Better Place intends to provide. Have a charging spot where you're likely to be for more than a quick stop - at home, the office, the movies,etc and have a swap station for the long trips where stopping for more than a few minutes at a time would be an inconvenience.
@bannor99 But who is going to put up such a massive investment? You would need an act from Congress to get such an infrastructure built, much like the interstate highway system. Until that happens, the free market can make things happen on their own by focusing on the CAR first. Once there are a bunch of electric cars operating, straining the electrical grid, companies will swoop in and upgrade the infrastructure, independent of government. Ex: the Iphone is driving cellular infrastructure.
@TheArfdog It looks like the US Congress can't get anything done lately and it will probably get worse soon. Agassi is taking a state-by-state approach in the US - California and Hawaii are on-board. I think Australia will be the acid test - if that works out, Better Place will have less trouble convincing countries but they're doing pretty good so far.
@bannor99 Well the US Congress has always been slow. That's how govt works, which is the way it should be. Props to Agassi if he can put this together, just think he could have an easier time if the cars were there first. After all, once the infrastructure is in place it better be utilized (like any capital equipment) to capacity right away or it will waste a lot of money.
@TheArfdog Renault has a roadmap of models starting with the EV version of the Fluence. I don't understand why the LEAF doesn't have a switchable battery, considering that they are practically one company and Renault doesn't have significant North American prescence while Nissan does.
@TheArfdog The US will be the last nation to switch over, after the rest of the world. Israel, Denmark, and Australia have already accepted and begun telling about subsidies to these types of cars, and other European countries are already learning towards accepting this infrastructure. It isn't hard for the rest of the world, only for the polluting arrogant country that is the US.
@Traviskolber Somehow I think subsidies are not on the horizon right now.... remember the word "austerity"? Anyway, I'm glad Europe can go right ahead and try it. As long as they have enough money. LMAO.
@TheArfdog When the Oil shock hits us all over the next few years, just wait and see how fast nations jump over this company. Remember Better Place. This will be one of the most influential companies over the next 20 years. This is the equivalent to investing in Google or Microsoft or Berkshire on its inception.
@Dandaniels1978 There won't be a true oil crisis for another 70 years. Even then, it will probably be extended as more reserves are being discovered all the time.
@TheArfdog "There wont be another true oil crisis for another 70 years" What a statement of fact to make! Care to provide proof of this, or was that more a statement of hope? Why then have various militaries in NATO warned of a coming Oil crunch some time 2012-15? Why has Britain warned of blackouts by 2012? Why did oil spike at $147pb? Why has the Hubbert Curve proven to be accurate so far? How do you think an extra 2 billion counsumers (BRIC) will effect supply & demand? Ignorance is bliss
we must go this way for the love of our children and not go with what big car companies say we need to go on, they are affraid they'll lose their scarcity monopoly, but we must make them change or else they'll lose the market all together
while this develops, companies should greatly increase current cars mileage efficiency and go for hibrids, forget hydrogen!! then slowly turn everything electric and powered by the sun,wind and maybe nuclear
Also electricity currently is not always done cleanly. Coal is a product we use to create electricity. Coal is not the best thing for the air. I do want to move away from dependency of oil. But electricity is not the only option.
@pianovocal But it is the most stable and most efficient at our current tech level.
He already said he tried biofuels and hydrogens for cars, and they didn't work. Solar panels on cars would just be fucking moronic. Any other options? Not right now.
One of the problems with the electric car is the battery. Batteries are very expensive to buy. Take the Prius, after 5 years when it is time to replace the battery, get ready to open your wallet to the tune of $6000!!!!
There are other very clean ways to go. Much less costly on the pocket book, and is more powerful then electric cars.
@pianovocal Did you listen to his talk? I guess not - his whole business plan is built around the consumer NOT owning the battery. You buy the car, battery not included, and then you buy a mileage plan. The miles you buy are provided to you in the form of a swappable, chargeable battery.
What i dont understand is....He talks about reducing fuel and charging batteries while parking.....dont we need power to charge the cars????or is that not coming from fossil fuels???
@Bailey Actually, no, it's completely feasible. We already have the technology, and the automakers can add the receiver in the assembly line. All that needs to be done is create the program the organizes it, and places the technology along the highway system. It will be expensive initially, yeah, but as stated, it will quickly pay itself back in money saved.
What about using the concept Japan is using to send energy wirelessly via radio and laser wavelengths back to Earth from a solar lunar platform. But instead, place these every several miles along a highway. Then, like wifi, as long as your car is in range, it is automatically being fed energy [and charging] as you drive. When you exit the "energy hotspots" your car then switches to battery power.
@Jrsutton922 Interesting, but wouldn't there be a problem with dispersion on cloudy days for lasers? I'm not sure what obstacles there are to radio, but i'm sure they are substantial. Can radio waves be made as coherent as visible lasers? Like a radio wave laser?
I will represent the pessimistic or naysayer tribe. There is no thermodynamic replacement for oil. People do not want cheap and easy. People want fast, powerful, and with projection power. I will chose the more powerful energy source, ( in terms of thermodynamic potential ) your coupon car. No thanks.
This is a nice idea, but an infrastructure nightmare. People don't go more than 120 miles a day probably. But if they want to, they want to be able to. And we don't make batteries. We'll switch from dependence on the Middle East to dependence on Asian countries. Batteries are the only reason we haven't switched.
We forget one important thing, that a big, fuel devouring, heavy, engine-roaring car is a "penis enlargement" for many douchebag drivers. How would you convince such a guy, to change his monster pickup, to a light, small, quiet electric car? Many people will cling to their anachronistic fossil fuel cars, like to religious artifacts. One in five humans in developed world is not aware that It's not 90'ties anymore.
@Julinoleum Yes that true. all the emisions in one place that makes sense BUT all the emissions that will be made creating the infrastructure, You need oil to make steel plastic refine copper glass fabrics rubber etc.
Their is oil in every single production process. their is no such thing as a nil oil vehicle but as for the ongoing emmisions after production its plausible. It can be done. So can a world without money.
don't forget.. the oil is the 'blood' of the earth. oxygen is the breath animals & us are it's creative beauty oh yeah.. and if this 'new' way turns out to be another wrong way to go... we won't know it for a 'couple' years but we STILL end up stopping 'the way' we're goin now y'know the same amount of money making is STILL there, don't 'THEY' realize this ? i love my grand-children ! ps: (only) now the slaves are behind the wall ? this kicks AZZ !!
@lopsidedfrog Oil isn't the blood of the earth. Water is more like the blood of the earth, transferring energy and nutrients to other parts. Oil is more like the honey, where all the energy is stored.
ok... so pretend this world is STILL motivated by money... let's give the 'sources' of the energy... ie: oil co's, paper co's etc... 5-10 years closed market... so that they are the only 1's allowed 2 convert over.. then 5-10 MORE years closed market to 'reap the benfits' from the better resource. then, every1 can be converted to better cars, clothes, papers, etc... ??? please ????
Unfortunately, the oil companies are some of the most powerful people in the world...
We can shut them down with electric cars, but we'll need to perform the conversions ourselves... Just remember that "lithium ion" are the best batteries out there (not reactive like regular lithium batteries) Also if you use a "spinel" crystal anode, you can cut the charge time down to around 10 minutes!!!
What this guy said about hydrogen is wrong. It only causes more waste if you use polluting energy to make it. We make it with solar and wind power. How can it pollute? The only by product of hydrogen is water. On alcohol, we found that Jerusalem artichokes have 10 times the amount of starch that corn has. We run our internal combustion engines on alcohol but we can charge most electric cars with our windmills. We have absolutely no need for the electric company or the oil companies.
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this guy is talking shit. we haven't built a new nuke plant in the US in over 20 years, obama ain't gonna do it. we have brown outs on the west coast.
I personally know US service center companies that deal with gas pumps and service stations are looking at his invention for transitioning out of gas in the next 20-50 years. They've already started the ground work on many nuclear power plants, in Texas, Florida, and some other northern states, your being unaware of it doesn't mean its not happening it only means you're ignorant.
Cheeseit did you not listen?? he said u could change ur battery at a station if you run out of battery power, and come on lets get real, you are doing other stuff more than your driving your car, so your car will pretty much have a full battery all the time. Its only in those rare ocassions when you drive a full 120 miles when you would need to change your battery. It makes good sense.
i still don't get it how do they produce a mass amount of electricity i the US without coal and fossil fuels. I get that they have windmills in denmark and a solar panel in israel or w.e But how to we get enough electricity in the US???
you only need 6% extra energy produced by solar or wind. that is nothing. and you do not need it all in one year. an increase of 1% per year is enough. You guys in the US have plenty of wind and solar that you can use.
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god damnit why are israelis so annoying to me? i have NOTHING against them. maybe its just that they're so idiosyncratic and i've noticed their idiosyncrasies and they bug me every time i see them, I swear to god they're all the same.
The concept is to swap the battery taking a fraction of the time it takes you to fill your tank with petrol. A smart system would direct debit your account upon the machine swapping it over. Easy :)
Yeah but who foots the bill when a faulty batt breaks som1's car? or when som1 crashes and breaks the batt? how are they going to be able to store the diffrent types of batt?
imagine a pump that pulses electricty all you have to do is set it to your batt and fill it like a petrol car. Technologically i think changing the batt is a step backwards its like saying change your gas tank every time you need a refill. the best thing to do is work on filling that batt quicker.
step backwards? how is revolutionising the way a pollution emitting passenger vehicle charges its enginge a step backwards? If you swap the battery it can be maintained and kept at it's optimum performance = has a longer life span. Example is a mobile phone. Would you rather have a phone with a built in battery and replace the whole unit when the battery dies (costing you more) or be able to swap batteries in and out when you like, legthening your user time and allowing you 2 keep the same unit?
To add, Shai talks about how the end to slave trade brought on the industrial revolution. Where do u think we'd be if they'd decided instead of changing the way we utilise labor that we simply tried to find a way to make slaves work faster or make them live longer? Having swap stations where we have petrol stations. Drive in, swap and go without leaving your vehicle. How is that a step backwards?
Take your mobile phone as an example. yes the batt is removable ( as it should be in the car anyway) but how often do you walk into a shop and buy a new fully charged batt? evan if it cost you 2 bucks you would still end up going home and charging it. I should imagine the prospect of changing car componetnts daily would be quit alarming to some people. Shai spoke about changing horses when one is tired. imagine getting on a horse that you know nothing about and anything could be wrong with.
Also take into considderation how quickly tech moves. this battery changing idea is only here because can't think of how to charge the batt quicker. MIT claim to have a batt that can rappidly charge within about 10 seconds. supose that this battery changing system is implemented for the cost of billions what happens when the better quick charging longer lasting batt is introduced? billions to change the system again. the car of the future should be able to do that of the car of today.
Forget the numbers. Pared to its essentials, this is a very good idea and could be entirely workable for a large portion of the people. Any system that can use non-polluting renewable energy (solar, wind, hydro) to produce portable energy (battery, fuel cell, etc.) is a great place to start. What other viable near-term choice is there?
Yes. It helps to listen again (multiple times if necessary). The number 80 that Agassi refers to is, supposing a kind of Moore's law in the future drop in cost of battery miles (better energy density, etc), by 2020 his battery miles - which are currently 8 cents/mile become 2 cents/mile.
And his supposing the 40 mile/gallon ICE automobile, his 2 cents/mile becomes an 80 cent gallon of oil. (2 * 40 = 80).
I found his use of his numbers confusing (obviously) and smacking of hucksterism.
even 8 cents a mile is less than what I pay now in the uk. plus my car is cheaper in the first place. So what is the issue. Batteries do follow moore's law, but even if they did not. 8 cents is good enough for me.
I am European and no matter how good the ICE get they will never beat the better place price. even if it stayed 8 cent a mile for ever. as the cars get better at using less fuel the higher the price of fuel gets. I pay 4 pounds a us gallon atm. even at 55 miles a gallon that works out to be 6 pence a mile, so 10 us cent a mile. And i tell you something I actually am prepared to pay more if it is 0 carbon. I pay more for my electricity for it to be from wind energy.
My next car will be an electric car. I will never purchase another petrol ( gas ) car. A message to non believers a electric motorcycle rode past me in a shopping center last weekend. Car industry - get your dumbers and people who don't beleive in the next phase, out of the industry - you are killing us with your canser fumes and noise when the technology exists now for electric cars.
People dont want to pay $40,000 for an electric car that is only $25,000 for the gas model. Especially right after a recession. Its simple economics, not some conspiracy
you know mr. fergus247, you said it yourself, you don´t undersatand any of this or what´s going on about the matter at hand. Just proving your a skeptic does´nt prove any point or that your wise in any respect. Being skeptic just proves that you won´t beleive want your common sense or your conscious saying loud and clear.
Electric cars sound funtastic. But, where does the electricity come from to charge the cars? It is going to take nuclear, coal, or petrol to power the grid to charge the cars. Many say you could rig your home for solar to power your car, but, with solar tech, we are still on the first baby steps, it costs too much and again impractical.
The network? It takes power to make electric power to charge cars. Where does the power come from? Nuclear, coal or petrol.
Better plan produce their electrisety from 0 carbon emissions sources. in israel they are useing a solar power plant build just for this purpose and in denmark they are using wind energy that up till now denmark was giving to germany and actualy paying the germans to take becasue they have that much spare.
Shai Agassi, if his vison is so great, his product so superior, why does he need to persuade governments around the globe to adopt these?
If these products and visions were really so good, people would buy them people would adopt the ideas.
This guy is just trying to establish a monopoly on the future electic car fueling market, using the power of the state. And he is doing a damn good job so far.
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This sounds like a good idea. Until. What happens when you get into an accident and 2 months later there's a lawyer beating on your door saying you owe for not only the battery, but also for all the future money the battery company lost because the battery was destroyed in the accident? Of which all the numbers will be exaggerated by the company. That check you got to replace your wrecked car, will instead go to pay off the lawyer and the battery company. In the end, you will lose.
glennheston 1 month ago
US will never be the pioneer in electric cars .. they are holding up the new Kyoto plan with two other nations .. stupid stupid country.
eagle003 1 month ago
great idea. great vision. only one thing - US never send a man to the moon. check the facts, i believe you know how to search after all the research you have done regarding electric cars.
mmca2 3 months ago
@mmca2 "US never send a man to the moon" If you're trying to say we faked the moon landing, you're a nut job. You're going to try to convince me that tens of thousands of people have kept it a secret for over 40 years! Really? Not one single person has come forward with evidence of their involvement with a cover up of that magnitude. In this day and age! If anyone had proof the landing was a fake, they would sell their proof, and their story to the highest bidder. No one has done that. No one.
glennheston 1 month ago
@glennheston
I do not argue with you. A lot more ppl with a lot more knowledge than me and you have investigated the facts. take a look and judge for yourself:
search here for "Documentary - Moon Landing Hoax".
Observe the facts, listen to the nasa spokesman's response and think for yourself.
If any of these guys, describing the little facts, were lying, they would have their butt sewed off, at least. and this movie had never seen a bright day.
mmca2 1 month ago
@mmca2 The moon landing DID happen. It would be impossible to keep that many people quiet for all these years. If it were a fake, someone would have sold out for a big chunk of cash by now. Or the government would have killed off everyone who had a part in it. The first didn't happen, and the second is so "Hollywood" that it couldn't happen. Think of how many people would be involved in a cover-up that big. Mind bogglingly absurd! It happened. Stop seeing things that aren't there!
glennheston 1 month ago
@mmca2 Oh, one more thing. If you can get a really nice telescope, you can see the landing site. Don't try coming back with something about how the US government has a way of faking that too.
glennheston 1 month ago
This is what will help get the US out of the recession.
napertownclown 4 months ago
I enjoyed Your Short Clip
datingadult101 6 months ago
Sorry KhadaKuraki I meant to send that comment to 47f0.
pianovocal 6 months ago
KhadaKuraki thank you for your mature and open minded comment. NOT! Keep an open mind and remember there are inventors out there with brilliant ideas that go beyond electric cars. Unlike your not so brilliant insults. Nothing wrong with a good debate, but if you need to be rude, keep it to yourself.
pianovocal 6 months ago
Brilliant.
KhadaKuraki 8 months ago
There are other options. I cannot go into detail, but I know one company out there who is making the better mouse trap. This mouse trap will have the POWER to push big vehicles including tractor trailers, with amazing fuel mileage. No batteries needed.
pianovocal 8 months ago
@pianovocal - thank you so much for your utterly useless comment. "I know a magic solution, but I can't tell you". Brilliant.
47f0 6 months ago
Magnetic motors.
a wheel within a wheel positive on one side neg on the other, sliding in to engage and out to disengage
rerikweigand 8 months ago
I love it - I moved to Denmark for several reasons - this is one of them.
Vortex42 9 months ago
It's kinda ironic that he has the word "gas" in his name :P
xxxpistolpetexxx 9 months ago
Is there somehwere I can read the details of his plan? How would the infrastructure be developed and how much would it cost? How does battery swapping reduce the cost? How do we get the powerplants needed to provide all of the electricity and would it come from nuclear, solar, or what. How does he overcome the problems of solar and wind in terms of consistent energy production? What about the grid?
randplaty 9 months ago
for those who thinks battery pollutes, keep in mind that the first thing car companies like honda and toyota buys back when the car get into an accident is the battery. it's because it's recyclable. even acid battery gets recycle too, go visit the car junk yard before throwing in your contradiction. any idea is better then no idea, Agassi is actually trying something here.
shuforce 9 months ago
Couple of problems..
1: Batteries are one of the most polluting products to make (lots of heavy metals, chemicals etc.)
2: What if you get a fresh battery that isn't fully charged?
3: What about winter? Cold weather is one of the ultimate battery-killers
4: Where does all the energy to charge the batteries come from?
5: Batteries don't last forever. What if you go to a refill station and get a "worn" battery? You can stop again after 40 miles
renehenckens 10 months ago
@renehenckens
1:Like shuforce already said, batteries are recyclable - 90% of a lithium battery if I remember right.
2:Why the hell should the battery swap station give you a not fully charged battery? Jeez!?! There will be enough capacity per swap station so this doesn't happen.
3:The Batteries have a climate system for that situation.
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@d1oftwins
1: still. To get that many batteries requires production on a MASSIVE scale
2: Because charging costs money
3: eehm...what?
renehenckens 9 months ago
@renehenckens
1: To get that many batteries requires production on a MASSIVE scale
yes, mass production is needed, as well as for fixed battery EVs. But that has nothing to do with your prior question.
2: Because charging costs money
Of course it does, but YOU are paying for the charge. So by contract Better Place has to deliver you a fully charged battery. I don't understand your concern in this point.
3: eehm...what?
The battery is heated or cooled so a constant temperature is maintained.
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@d1oftwins 1: yes it does: more production = more pollution
2: But you have to trust others to do that for you...People can't be trusted. "Filling stations" will get very crowded. People will make mistakes
3: Yeah...leave your car in freezing temperatures for a week...see what that heating system does to your battery after a full week
renehenckens 9 months ago
You're thinking WAY to naive. You're trusting others to do things for you....
Eventually electric cars will become unavoidable (hopefully one day someone will design one that actually looks good :X ). But for now...with current technologies.. It won't work. And don't hope for too much development. The oil companies and (more importantly) the governments have way too much influence...they'll try to keep the oil flowing as long as possible
renehenckens 9 months ago
@renehenckens
I quess this was pointed to me?
Well yes I trust other people very much indeed. E.g. I trust that the train conductor brings me from A to B. I trust that the pilot flies me safely from A to B. I trust that when I fill up gasoline it IS gasoline and not diesel. And I expect that when I have a contract the contractor will do his duty because I pay for it!
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@renehenckens Too late. Denmark and Israel already support both programs.
You get free parking spots, massive subsidies, tax breaks, AND the car is cheaper in the first place.
Face it, this is the way of the future.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
@renehenckens
1: Uhm...did I mention recycling?! Of course the initial mass production will demand the most energy, foremost the digging for the lithium. But when it's all in the cycle, it should cost far less energy to produce new batteries.
2: You don't trust an AUTOMATED(= no humans) battery switch station, an emotionless machine, did I get that right? It won't be crowded because mostly you will plug-in at home or at a parking lot.
read also Point 3. in the next post
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@renehenckens
2: (additional Question) What people will do which mistakes, explain a little bit more.
3:I guess the heating or cooling will only be active when you are driving or the EV is pluged in. Why do you have the assumption that the engineers are that dumb? The cold isn't bad for the Battery while it isn't used. It IS bad when it is used AND cold.
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@renehenckens
4:Like Agassi in the video already said, Better Place is buying energy from alternative sources.
5:WTF?!? Do you think that Better Place will run down the batteries to the last kWh so that their customers only get 1 mile per battery swap? Really? Of course there will be a certain threshold where "worn" batteries are sorted out but it will be way before 40 miles per battery.
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@d1oftwins 4: Great...what if (hypothetically) every car runs on batteries...You can't fuel them with energy from alternative sources...they're not efficient enough.
5: Yes
Now, what about 1, 2 and 3?
renehenckens 9 months ago
@renehenckens
sorry didn't see you answered my points 4 and 5
4: The increase of EVs will raise slowly so alternative energy sources can grow with it. And there is a little technique called "smart grid" so you can't put down the grid by charging EVs. EVs are even a natural partner to wind power because peak wind power can be taken easily by EVs.
5: So you GENERALLY DON'T TRUST Better Place, even if they give you guaranties by contract? Well then just LOL ^^. It is your own problem then.
d1oftwins 9 months ago
@d1oftwins sorry...didn't get a notice of your first comment, so I didn't see it at first
renehenckens 9 months ago
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"in solving big problems we need to start thinking in two numbers.. not 20% by 2020.. (but) 0 as in 0 footprint 0 oil and scale to infinity"
700Million cars emit 2.8Billion tons CO2 per year
cars 25% of world's CO2 emissions
25% of UK's energy came from slaves 200 years ago
"end oil within this presidential term, because if we don't we will lose our economy and right after we lost our morality"
ff
Already1have 1 year ago
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Denmark IQ test:
Denmark 180% tax on gasoline cars (€60,000)
0% tax on 0 emission cars (€20,000)
"if you fail this IQ test you leave the country!"
"for Indians to get a 120 mile battery is an extension on range not a reduction"
BPlace EV's cheaper than gasoline cars
Better Place Denmark cars 100% wind powered
Better Place Israel cars 100% sun powered
Already1have 1 year ago
@Already1have may be you can do summary for
Shai Agassi on Green Transport in the 21st Century | 09.02.2011
watch?v=PVJ_5OozgVA
it will be very helpful :) thanks
ChorniyKot 11 months ago
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"Affordable is NOT a $40,000 sedan" (hint the volt!)
"if you swap your battery more than 50 times a year we will pay you money"
"the battery is the crude oil"
when you buy an EV you buy the battery crude oil for the entire life of the EV (hint Leaf)
Nissan Carlos Gosn "hybrids are like mermaids when you want a fish you get a woman, when you need a woman you get a fish!"
"1st year 100,000 EVs"
Already1have 1 year ago
@Already1have thanks for summary
ChorniyKot 11 months ago
@ 1:45
"We are bound with the laws of physics and the laws of economics." . . . "How do you do it from the power of the consumer, up... not from the power of an edict, down."
How utterly refreshing to hear someone who is seriously working for environmental issues, that also understands the reality of science and economics. The green revolution will blossom best when economics are taken into account. It is coming, inevitably, and the dinosaurs that don't change will surely die. As they should.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
THE END OF ISLAM UIS CLOSE
perrik7 1 year ago
@perrik7 +1
itay02 1 year ago
developed nations better develop this new tech n stop buying oil
so that africa can buy oil cheaply from middle east
and start building industries and factories
dfdtdfdx 1 year ago
@dfdtdfdx If the new tech is better than oil, wouldn't it make more sense for Africa to bypass oil-based industries and go straight to renewable resources?
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
have to disagree with you Dandaniels1978. I am far from being pessismistic, just keeping it realistic. Watch this video about "Cars Of The Future"
at CBS.com
I hope you will better understand my view point after watching this factual video about the Future of Cars.
pianovocal 1 year ago
Of course the engine or motor would have to be much more efficient then or current engines.
pianovocal 1 year ago
I feel it would be wiser to use a hybrid that uses flex fuel that uses gas among other more cost efficient and greener choices. This way we use the current infrastructure and start going towards a more efficient energy and green energy source, be it electrical (if it does not use coal to be made), hydrogen,bio fuels or etc.
pianovocal 1 year ago
continuation for other comment It turns into the chicken and the egg theory. Again it is a nice thought. I have done some research. So where my opinion comes from has fact to back it up. We have gas currently as the current infrastructure.
pianovocal 1 year ago
Dandaniels1978 I was not commenting on how long it would take to swap a battery. My concern is the infrastructure. Which like anything else on a national or global would take years to implement, electric grid or no electric grid. Batteries for such a concept or currently very expensive. Even GM has not started selling the Volt because of cost factors. Tesla starting at $95,000 for their electric car, it is a little high for the general population.
pianovocal 1 year ago
@pianovocal This is the kind of pessimism that will defeat you my friend. When the chips are down (Intel) and the US gives the "Green Light" excuse the pun! I have every faith that the people of the US could move a mountain (think about the impossibilities of the Hoover Dam or man on the moon etc. I also suggest you read "Start Up Nation" (trust me on this) Set aside your political prejudice on Israel and read the book. You begin to see a different perspective on what can and can't be done.
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bannor99
I agree with arfdog. To change the infrastructure, would be huge. I can appreciate your enthusiasm bannor99, I am all for enthusiasm, but along with enthusiasm one needs to keep it real. I have studied different inventions out there about cars of the future. Trust me there are great ideas out there, that will not demand such an infrastructure to make no gas or extremely high mileage POWERFUL car a reality.
pianovocal 1 year ago
@pianovocal Actually, most of the infrastructure is already there - the electrical grid. The Battery Swap stations are to deal (mostly) with range anxiety for the long trip. The other part is the installation of charge spots.
My enthusiasm for Agassi's plan is that he does keep it real - he's really thought this through. There's a 1hr talk in Australia that gives more info as to the economics of the plan. Also, his plan doesnt need any new inventions - we've seen too many that didn't deliver.
bannor99 1 year ago
bannor99
I did listen to all 19:10 seconds of the video. Yes it was talked about switching out batteries. But unless there is a cost to the public, it is going to be very difficult to implement such a concept. It is a nice concept, but so is
Santa Claus :) There are smarter ways to make an economical powerful car, without all the hassle of switching batteries. Mining lithium to non existence, etc, etc. There are more efficient auto inventions out there......
pianovocal 1 year ago
@pianovocal It takes less than 2 minutes to do a battery swap using automated technology, you dont even have to get out of the car.
Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
That mermaid joke is killer
bannor99 1 year ago
The electric car is the car of the future.
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
Very nice presentation, well thought out. The guy is smart. But this is pie in the sky. He's talking about changing an entire national economy to electric cars all at once. Aint gonna happen like that. First, actual electric cars need to come out. Then infrastructure will follow. You can't build infrastructure before the electric car because no one will take the risk. The car has to come first.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@TheArfdog He's pulling all the pieces together - but you're wrong about the car coming first since current electrics have range limitations and that's the piece that Better Place intends to provide. Have a charging spot where you're likely to be for more than a quick stop - at home, the office, the movies,etc and have a swap station for the long trips where stopping for more than a few minutes at a time would be an inconvenience.
bannor99 1 year ago
@bannor99 But who is going to put up such a massive investment? You would need an act from Congress to get such an infrastructure built, much like the interstate highway system. Until that happens, the free market can make things happen on their own by focusing on the CAR first. Once there are a bunch of electric cars operating, straining the electrical grid, companies will swoop in and upgrade the infrastructure, independent of government. Ex: the Iphone is driving cellular infrastructure.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@TheArfdog It looks like the US Congress can't get anything done lately and it will probably get worse soon. Agassi is taking a state-by-state approach in the US - California and Hawaii are on-board. I think Australia will be the acid test - if that works out, Better Place will have less trouble convincing countries but they're doing pretty good so far.
bannor99 1 year ago
@bannor99 Well the US Congress has always been slow. That's how govt works, which is the way it should be. Props to Agassi if he can put this together, just think he could have an easier time if the cars were there first. After all, once the infrastructure is in place it better be utilized (like any capital equipment) to capacity right away or it will waste a lot of money.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@TheArfdog Renault has a roadmap of models starting with the EV version of the Fluence. I don't understand why the LEAF doesn't have a switchable battery, considering that they are practically one company and Renault doesn't have significant North American prescence while Nissan does.
bannor99 1 year ago
@TheArfdog The US will be the last nation to switch over, after the rest of the world. Israel, Denmark, and Australia have already accepted and begun telling about subsidies to these types of cars, and other European countries are already learning towards accepting this infrastructure. It isn't hard for the rest of the world, only for the polluting arrogant country that is the US.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
@Traviskolber Somehow I think subsidies are not on the horizon right now.... remember the word "austerity"? Anyway, I'm glad Europe can go right ahead and try it. As long as they have enough money. LMAO.
TheArfdog 8 months ago
@TheArfdog When the Oil shock hits us all over the next few years, just wait and see how fast nations jump over this company. Remember Better Place. This will be one of the most influential companies over the next 20 years. This is the equivalent to investing in Google or Microsoft or Berkshire on its inception.
Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
@Dandaniels1978 There won't be a true oil crisis for another 70 years. Even then, it will probably be extended as more reserves are being discovered all the time.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@TheArfdog "There wont be another true oil crisis for another 70 years" What a statement of fact to make! Care to provide proof of this, or was that more a statement of hope? Why then have various militaries in NATO warned of a coming Oil crunch some time 2012-15? Why has Britain warned of blackouts by 2012? Why did oil spike at $147pb? Why has the Hubbert Curve proven to be accurate so far? How do you think an extra 2 billion counsumers (BRIC) will effect supply & demand? Ignorance is bliss
Dandaniels1978 1 year ago
spot on, electric is the way to go
we must go this way for the love of our children and not go with what big car companies say we need to go on, they are affraid they'll lose their scarcity monopoly, but we must make them change or else they'll lose the market all together
while this develops, companies should greatly increase current cars mileage efficiency and go for hibrids, forget hydrogen!! then slowly turn everything electric and powered by the sun,wind and maybe nuclear
LusoCMD 1 year ago
Also electricity currently is not always done cleanly. Coal is a product we use to create electricity. Coal is not the best thing for the air. I do want to move away from dependency of oil. But electricity is not the only option.
pianovocal 1 year ago
@pianovocal But it is the most stable and most efficient at our current tech level.
He already said he tried biofuels and hydrogens for cars, and they didn't work. Solar panels on cars would just be fucking moronic. Any other options? Not right now.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
One of the problems with the electric car is the battery. Batteries are very expensive to buy. Take the Prius, after 5 years when it is time to replace the battery, get ready to open your wallet to the tune of $6000!!!!
There are other very clean ways to go. Much less costly on the pocket book, and is more powerful then electric cars.
pianovocal 1 year ago
@pianovocal Did you listen to his talk? I guess not - his whole business plan is built around the consumer NOT owning the battery. You buy the car, battery not included, and then you buy a mileage plan. The miles you buy are provided to you in the form of a swappable, chargeable battery.
bannor99 1 year ago
@sbhuyan The cost to the environment is miniscule compared to the cost of running a gasoline engine.
greendaymotors 1 year ago
@greendaymotors The cost of burning coal is miniscule compared to the cost of running a gasoline engine?? what??
TheArfdog 1 year ago
What i dont understand is....He talks about reducing fuel and charging batteries while parking.....dont we need power to charge the cars????or is that not coming from fossil fuels???
sbhuyan 1 year ago
@sbhuyan Yes you are correct.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@sbhuyan It can come from a lot of different sources.
Solar power, hydrogen power, tidal power, nuclear power. There are many options other than oil.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
Melech!
(king in Hebrew)
andr01d1 1 year ago
It doesnt matter what anyone says including myself it has to be done sooner rather than latter. Atleast this is a start.
32ndegree 1 year ago
@Bailey Actually, no, it's completely feasible. We already have the technology, and the automakers can add the receiver in the assembly line. All that needs to be done is create the program the organizes it, and places the technology along the highway system. It will be expensive initially, yeah, but as stated, it will quickly pay itself back in money saved.
Jrsutton922 1 year ago
What about using the concept Japan is using to send energy wirelessly via radio and laser wavelengths back to Earth from a solar lunar platform. But instead, place these every several miles along a highway. Then, like wifi, as long as your car is in range, it is automatically being fed energy [and charging] as you drive. When you exit the "energy hotspots" your car then switches to battery power.
Jrsutton922 1 year ago
@Jrsutton922 Sounds lovely but cold fusion sounds more feasible than that, which isn't that feasible.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@Jrsutton922 Interesting, but wouldn't there be a problem with dispersion on cloudy days for lasers? I'm not sure what obstacles there are to radio, but i'm sure they are substantial. Can radio waves be made as coherent as visible lasers? Like a radio wave laser?
TheArfdog 1 year ago
this is hugely important, and very exciting!
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32ndegree 1 year ago
So is he Mexican or is he Indian?
johnson1095 1 year ago
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32ndegree 1 year ago
@32ndegree
Guys, sorry to to disappoint you. But he is Israeli. Jewish.
Shay is a Hebrew name.
Agassi means of-a-Pear in Hebrew.
Agassi is a 1990 Technion computer science graduate.
Technion is in Israel.
Look for his lecture in in Hebrew before the 2008 Industrial Engineering and Management Graduates in Technion.
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32ndegree 1 year ago
@Pashtenok He is Realy Smart Guy! ANd he try to change The world!
ilyal267 1 year ago
@ilyal267 Agree. My point was that he's not a Mexican... he's ISRAELI, like me and you.
Pashtenok 1 year ago
@johnson1095 Israeli.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
I will represent the pessimistic or naysayer tribe. There is no thermodynamic replacement for oil. People do not want cheap and easy. People want fast, powerful, and with projection power. I will chose the more powerful energy source, ( in terms of thermodynamic potential ) your coupon car. No thanks.
dinogrower 1 year ago
"...Because if we don't, we will lose our economy right after we lost our morality."
akrosenschein 1 year ago
This is a nice idea, but an infrastructure nightmare. People don't go more than 120 miles a day probably. But if they want to, they want to be able to. And we don't make batteries. We'll switch from dependence on the Middle East to dependence on Asian countries. Batteries are the only reason we haven't switched.
uatimrose 1 year ago
@uatimrose Oil lobbies are the only reason we haven't switched.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
Guys Shai try to save the world stop talking about if he from Israel or from marroko or Iraq Go SHAI Go
ilyal267 1 year ago
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32ndegree 1 year ago
he is right but bed
his idae is going to happen in israel in 2016 but thare is a tax for oil and now the govramnt cant take tex and thay dont undarstand it ...
so stupid...
urican666 1 year ago
rock and roll shai, steam roll this project and save the world.
AbleTales 1 year ago 2
totally agree!!!!
Bubeetza 1 year ago
cold fusion ? when where?
ratrat29 1 year ago
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Forget this... We've just cracked Cold Fusion!
Bye Bye Oil, gas, and the energy problem!
watch?v=F4I5mgBKPZY
AlienScientist 2 years ago
We forget one important thing, that a big, fuel devouring, heavy, engine-roaring car is a "penis enlargement" for many douchebag drivers. How would you convince such a guy, to change his monster pickup, to a light, small, quiet electric car? Many people will cling to their anachronistic fossil fuel cars, like to religious artifacts. One in five humans in developed world is not aware that It's not 90'ties anymore.
8legsFreak 2 years ago 2
@8legsFreak Not that many would. Maybe 0.5% of the driving population would cling to that.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@8legsFreak
No one will produce them, obviously. They'll be classics, something that exist maybe in less than the number of ten thousand in the entire world.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
When his company puts battery stations where i go then i will consider. The oil companys have already made the effort to market oil to me.
livebyreason 2 years ago
He is half iraqi.
Beetleking22 2 years ago
not iraqi but marrokan...
rantt44 2 years ago
Go Agassi go! =)
I'd buy some shares if I weren't so broke.
Fuck Saudia Arabia.
rickballance 2 years ago 33
if you are a speaker and are trying to be taken seriously he should not throw in the occasional white lies.
4 minutes of talk in 20 minutes,
cptcolo 2 years ago
oh god
he's wearing black
another one : )
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32ndegree 1 year ago
@32ndegree What is your solution?
JadyLester 1 year ago
@32ndegree Yet, it is easier to sequester and clean the emission of plants than try to do it for all the cars we have
Julinoleum 1 year ago
@Julinoleum Yes that true. all the emisions in one place that makes sense BUT all the emissions that will be made creating the infrastructure, You need oil to make steel plastic refine copper glass fabrics rubber etc.
Their is oil in every single production process. their is no such thing as a nil oil vehicle but as for the ongoing emmisions after production its plausible. It can be done. So can a world without money.
32ndegree 1 year ago
lopsidedfrog 2 years ago
@lopsidedfrog Oil isn't the blood of the earth. Water is more like the blood of the earth, transferring energy and nutrients to other parts. Oil is more like the honey, where all the energy is stored.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
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lopsidedfrog 2 years ago
ok... so pretend this world is STILL motivated by money... let's give the 'sources' of the energy... ie: oil co's, paper co's etc... 5-10 years closed market... so that they are the only 1's allowed 2 convert over.. then 5-10 MORE years closed market to 'reap the benfits' from the better resource. then, every1 can be converted to better cars, clothes, papers, etc... ??? please ????
lopsidedfrog 2 years ago
"Who Killed the Electric Car" <--- Watch It!
Unfortunately, the oil companies are some of the most powerful people in the world...
We can shut them down with electric cars, but we'll need to perform the conversions ourselves... Just remember that "lithium ion" are the best batteries out there (not reactive like regular lithium batteries) Also if you use a "spinel" crystal anode, you can cut the charge time down to around 10 minutes!!!
Don't wait for the future, grab hold of it today!
AlienScientist 2 years ago
What this guy said about hydrogen is wrong. It only causes more waste if you use polluting energy to make it. We make it with solar and wind power. How can it pollute? The only by product of hydrogen is water. On alcohol, we found that Jerusalem artichokes have 10 times the amount of starch that corn has. We run our internal combustion engines on alcohol but we can charge most electric cars with our windmills. We have absolutely no need for the electric company or the oil companies.
eiriansilver 2 years ago
sweet, nice plans
ZicoCirola 2 years ago
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this guy is talking shit. we haven't built a new nuke plant in the US in over 20 years, obama ain't gonna do it. we have brown outs on the west coast.
this guy is a greenie dumb fuck!
drill here, drill now!
mrbadx19 2 years ago
Hey buddy. Get off of my planet.
marshgre 2 years ago
god you are talking bull.
MoDa87 2 years ago
lol americans
myztic123 2 years ago
I personally know US service center companies that deal with gas pumps and service stations are looking at his invention for transitioning out of gas in the next 20-50 years. They've already started the ground work on many nuclear power plants, in Texas, Florida, and some other northern states, your being unaware of it doesn't mean its not happening it only means you're ignorant.
Slip819 2 years ago
@Slip819 Please tell us more.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
The energy will be produced with something like LIFE Youtube - LIFE initial fusion energy system.
austpom333 2 years ago 2
Cheeseit did you not listen?? he said u could change ur battery at a station if you run out of battery power, and come on lets get real, you are doing other stuff more than your driving your car, so your car will pretty much have a full battery all the time. Its only in those rare ocassions when you drive a full 120 miles when you would need to change your battery. It makes good sense.
garadgd 2 years ago
i still don't get it how do they produce a mass amount of electricity i the US without coal and fossil fuels. I get that they have windmills in denmark and a solar panel in israel or w.e But how to we get enough electricity in the US???
garadgd 2 years ago
simple, things like Fusion Power Plants are under development, the Infinite Battery (already developed), and other such devices.
FederationAdmiral 2 years ago
you only need 6% extra energy produced by solar or wind. that is nothing. and you do not need it all in one year. an increase of 1% per year is enough. You guys in the US have plenty of wind and solar that you can use.
MoDa87 2 years ago
@garadgd Coal baby. With carbon capture hopefully soon. We have hundreds of years of coal supply.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@garadgd Nuclear power, solar power, tidal power, hydrogen power.
There are lots of alternatives.
Traviskolber 8 months ago
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god damnit why are israelis so annoying to me? i have NOTHING against them. maybe its just that they're so idiosyncratic and i've noticed their idiosyncrasies and they bug me every time i see them, I swear to god they're all the same.
-hero
fordieform 2 years ago
one problem i see is that if it takes 1 min of charge to charge for one min of driving,
suppose you ran out of energy on your way to a place.... would you have to stay there for the length of your road trip?
cheeseit126 2 years ago
Pay Attention B4 commenting pls
bentothetenthpower 2 years ago
Awesome, the only problem i see is that charging centers will become like parking spots...!
waiiiit what if each parking spot had its own charging station?? like the parking meters
anyways, great idea
cheeseit126 2 years ago
I'm for the mass adoption of Corvettes.
GuineaJay 2 years ago
Info Tidbit----Mr. Agassi had on exactly the same slick outfit here as he did on The Hour interview with George Strombolopolis.
mrshinyshoes 2 years ago
forget all this charging while you stop. Is there no way to suddenly charge the battery using a pulse?
Electricity moves fast, can we not get it in to a battery quicker? you touch a cable and your body is fried instantly.
jewlzorjay 2 years ago
The concept is to swap the battery taking a fraction of the time it takes you to fill your tank with petrol. A smart system would direct debit your account upon the machine swapping it over. Easy :)
venuecam 2 years ago
Yeah but who foots the bill when a faulty batt breaks som1's car? or when som1 crashes and breaks the batt? how are they going to be able to store the diffrent types of batt?
imagine a pump that pulses electricty all you have to do is set it to your batt and fill it like a petrol car. Technologically i think changing the batt is a step backwards its like saying change your gas tank every time you need a refill. the best thing to do is work on filling that batt quicker.
jewlzorjay 2 years ago
step backwards? how is revolutionising the way a pollution emitting passenger vehicle charges its enginge a step backwards? If you swap the battery it can be maintained and kept at it's optimum performance = has a longer life span. Example is a mobile phone. Would you rather have a phone with a built in battery and replace the whole unit when the battery dies (costing you more) or be able to swap batteries in and out when you like, legthening your user time and allowing you 2 keep the same unit?
venuecam 2 years ago
To add, Shai talks about how the end to slave trade brought on the industrial revolution. Where do u think we'd be if they'd decided instead of changing the way we utilise labor that we simply tried to find a way to make slaves work faster or make them live longer? Having swap stations where we have petrol stations. Drive in, swap and go without leaving your vehicle. How is that a step backwards?
venuecam 2 years ago
Take your mobile phone as an example. yes the batt is removable ( as it should be in the car anyway) but how often do you walk into a shop and buy a new fully charged batt? evan if it cost you 2 bucks you would still end up going home and charging it. I should imagine the prospect of changing car componetnts daily would be quit alarming to some people. Shai spoke about changing horses when one is tired. imagine getting on a horse that you know nothing about and anything could be wrong with.
jewlzorjay 2 years ago
Also take into considderation how quickly tech moves. this battery changing idea is only here because can't think of how to charge the batt quicker. MIT claim to have a batt that can rappidly charge within about 10 seconds. supose that this battery changing system is implemented for the cost of billions what happens when the better quick charging longer lasting batt is introduced? billions to change the system again. the car of the future should be able to do that of the car of today.
jewlzorjay 2 years ago
Aren't there already more than one million hybrids on American roads today?
ipbalkenende 2 years ago
Forget the numbers. Pared to its essentials, this is a very good idea and could be entirely workable for a large portion of the people. Any system that can use non-polluting renewable energy (solar, wind, hydro) to produce portable energy (battery, fuel cell, etc.) is a great place to start. What other viable near-term choice is there?
Godsfree 2 years ago
Youtube " LIFE : laser initial fusion energy system " (Stanford)
austpom333 2 years ago
Shai Agassi is a very smart guy but he throws around a lot of numbers sort of like holding up flash cards.
So let's think about just one instance. 80 cents/mile for a car that gets 40 mpg. Well that works out to a price for gasoline of $32.00/gallon.
I think something big would break well before we ever got to that point. So I'm not totally in sympathy with the assumptions that are made.
patflah 2 years ago
he said 8 cents per mile...
1000NewGardens 2 years ago
Yes. It helps to listen again (multiple times if necessary). The number 80 that Agassi refers to is, supposing a kind of Moore's law in the future drop in cost of battery miles (better energy density, etc), by 2020 his battery miles - which are currently 8 cents/mile become 2 cents/mile.
And his supposing the 40 mile/gallon ICE automobile, his 2 cents/mile becomes an 80 cent gallon of oil. (2 * 40 = 80).
I found his use of his numbers confusing (obviously) and smacking of hucksterism.
patflah 2 years ago
even 8 cents a mile is less than what I pay now in the uk. plus my car is cheaper in the first place. So what is the issue. Batteries do follow moore's law, but even if they did not. 8 cents is good enough for me.
MoDa87 2 years ago
I am European and no matter how good the ICE get they will never beat the better place price. even if it stayed 8 cent a mile for ever. as the cars get better at using less fuel the higher the price of fuel gets. I pay 4 pounds a us gallon atm. even at 55 miles a gallon that works out to be 6 pence a mile, so 10 us cent a mile. And i tell you something I actually am prepared to pay more if it is 0 carbon. I pay more for my electricity for it to be from wind energy.
MoDa87 2 years ago
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ipbalkenende 2 years ago
Yeah indeed it was confusing. It's probably best to $/100miles to compare both gasoline and EV cars for the time being. That sounds intuitive to me.
ipbalkenende 2 years ago
your numbers make no sence
MoDa87 2 years ago
He talked a lot of babble, but he got there in the end. :)
UncleKennybobs 2 years ago 2
My next car will be an electric car. I will never purchase another petrol ( gas ) car. A message to non believers a electric motorcycle rode past me in a shopping center last weekend. Car industry - get your dumbers and people who don't beleive in the next phase, out of the industry - you are killing us with your canser fumes and noise when the technology exists now for electric cars.
austpom333 2 years ago
People dont want to pay $40,000 for an electric car that is only $25,000 for the gas model. Especially right after a recession. Its simple economics, not some conspiracy
taranakinz 2 years ago
Have the Apple engineers design the battery.
walkiebrook 2 years ago
yes. the i-battery. a white battery with wifi and an apple logo on it. genious.
classicalheartburn 2 years ago
you know mr. fergus247, you said it yourself, you don´t undersatand any of this or what´s going on about the matter at hand. Just proving your a skeptic does´nt prove any point or that your wise in any respect. Being skeptic just proves that you won´t beleive want your common sense or your conscious saying loud and clear.
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bethaprivttee 2 years ago
Electric cars sound funtastic. But, where does the electricity come from to charge the cars? It is going to take nuclear, coal, or petrol to power the grid to charge the cars. Many say you could rig your home for solar to power your car, but, with solar tech, we are still on the first baby steps, it costs too much and again impractical.
The network? It takes power to make electric power to charge cars. Where does the power come from? Nuclear, coal or petrol.
holmescreek 2 years ago
Better plan produce their electrisety from 0 carbon emissions sources. in israel they are useing a solar power plant build just for this purpose and in denmark they are using wind energy that up till now denmark was giving to germany and actualy paying the germans to take becasue they have that much spare.
MoDa87 2 years ago
Check out "Better Place Unveils First Solar-Powered Electric Vehicle Battery Switching Station" on PickensPlan
Who will make better Electric Vehicle and Battery in today world and future?
louielamson2000 2 years ago
Shai Agassi, if his vison is so great, his product so superior, why does he need to persuade governments around the globe to adopt these?
If these products and visions were really so good, people would buy them people would adopt the ideas.
This guy is just trying to establish a monopoly on the future electic car fueling market, using the power of the state. And he is doing a damn good job so far.
Monopolies are not known