The word I like to use is "equivalent". I've never believed in the equality of the genders and I hate the use of the word "equal" in that context. An apple does not equal an orange. They're both fruit, both good for you, not the same.
I agree with everything you say about the gap between the genders closing. At my school most girls are encouraged and pushed forward to compete and even surpass the boys. What shocked me most was when I found out that the middle school girls were encouraged to do better than the boys in an all girl weight team. Not only that but girls in our school who compete more with men are looked on as better then girls who instead are into theater or other extracurricular activities.
Chauvenism is not a male attribute.it by definition means a overwelming belief that you are superior because of your life/personal choices.Natzi's were chauvanist's,they believed they were the perfect people race.they decided to eliminate the inferiors.you could say that Alkida is chauvanistic.any religion other than there's is inferior.so women can be placed in the same group.male bashing and competition has become average.sooo men are not Chauvanist unless they use it as a power control.
It's the beauty of the distinction between a Man and a Woman. A Man can not harbor a fetus, not generally nurture as a woman does. And a Woman generally can not build buildings, work in combat, hand to hand, and other more physically strenuous positions.
Leadership is not a masculine trait. As my pastor said, men lead primarily with their head and women lead primarily with their heart. Beth Moore is a wonderful example of a women's leader.
@TheSeeker4wisdom By the way, if you're in a position of influence, then you're leading. Isn't that what this author is doing? Shouldn't it, then, be a man giving this speech rather than a woman?
I am a feminist and I don't define equality as sameness. I do believe men and women are equal but different. What makes me a feminist is simply is that I believe in equal rights. For instance, I appreciate having the right to vote. I appreciate having the right to work outside the home without having to be economically dependent upon a man. I am a feminist who does not agree with the extreme views you characterize in feminism.
Men and women have different roles. I think there was a german or viking tribe that used to sleep and drink most of the day when not off at war. I need to read this book again to remember their name. lol
well yes feminists are kooks. my mom's for womens' struggles but she's not some leftwing fucktard that hates white guys. she's noting for ron paul and she realizes obama has favored black females in govt jobs over white women than any other modern president. she sees that white women are underrepresented in pro sports too. same with white men. she knows that the system is marxist and anti white women and anti white men. that's the thing that cbs, nbc, etc won't tell you.
@TheNewMusicNetwork And she went to uc berkely, had marxist professors, had non-marxist professors, had relatives that were beatniks, etc. When you know the truth, the media can't lie to you anymore. The problem is that there's so many zombies out their.
yes it's true that white women are held down when it comes to pro sports via minorities taking those spots. and we know white women are better athletes overall so this quota pc/marxist pro sports thing in america has really hurt white women. most govt jobs also go to non white women.
white women AND men are attacked daily. it's time to stick up for each other.
white men and white women are NOT equals. Men are far stronger and have more muscle mass. it's a scientific fact. men are more durable, this is why they also excel over women at endurance sports and in thinking endurance activity. higher IQS. however white women are higher than other types of minorities.
@TheNewMusicNetwork you should have met my mom, grandma,great grandma.they were all intelligent totally creative people.they would beat your ass if they had too.i have so much respect for these ladies and the time i was loved by them.
Your so right you know, feminism has become a very destructive thing, it was noble what they did in their first wave, the movement that wanted to have women actively participate in society with men as equals. Now fems are trying to punish men for the injustice that happened centuries ago, and that stops men and women working together. Like Christina Hoff Sommers said in her book "The War Against boys" "In the Gender War, like any other war, truth is the first casualty" good videos and keep it up
God, or the belief in a celestial King, is essential in curbing female sexual power enabling the integration of males and the establishment of complex social structures.
To control a female's libido the man is made into a Divine representative of the Supreme Alpha Male: God
It's too bad your anti-feminism is seeped in Christian doctrine because you are correct about everything else concerning men and women issues.
I think you are a breath of fresh air in a suffocating country. You're like an angel in a demonic nation, but when I hear you say you want to go back to the middle east, it makes me wonder if you're not just some white chick with an Arab fetish. I really hope that isn't true and I really hope you don't go back to the middle east because men NEED YOU HERE!!! Here in YOUR country women like you are needed. They have plenty of good women in the middle east. It would be selfish of you to go there.
Amen Sister. It is very destructive. Biblical Marriage, Family, are disrupted which leads to a very unstable Society and Country. A lack of the "fullness" of what God has for us. No wonder the US has the highest Prison and Rehabilitation Population which is profited form. A too large Government. Capital should be put to Education, gainful jobs. I love the distinction between the two genders. It is an attraction. Can be an addition in a relationship. The Male is the head of the family.
cont'd Can a woman be better at say, finances, yes, running the household, yes, but each must find their roles before marriage, with pre-marital counseling. Having many women in the workplace, dilutes the number of jobs, pay, benefits such as Health Insurance and and Retirement for men. It also takes the Mothers away from their young children. God bless you for speaking this truth and needed change.
This agenda, usually associated with the left and liberalism, is really an anti-nature stance...the perversity is found in that these same "enlightened" ones claim to love nature, when in fact they only love the idea of nature: a cleansed, politically-correct, kinder gentler natural selection.
Read Heisman's Suicide Note for an insight into an aspect of this.
You have to put feminism into a broader context. Distinction is being eliminating in all areas...including sex.
This relates to the ongoing "War against Terror" which is really a war against diversity, on a cultural scale. The culture of no-culture is this leveling of manking into indistinct, mindless automatons.
Ok, so you said between any two people one is more the leader. Then "leadership is masculine" but what do you mean?? All men have more leadership ability than all females? All men are more comfortable being leaders? You also say you do what nature demands. I think that prospective is persuasive for what you seem to be pointing to, but hasn't humankind reached the point where we can think and decide in ways animals in nature don't?
Facts are facts. You can't say that all the scientific claims of anatomical differences in male vs female brain structures, were fudged results and all those guys are in on it and a bunch of frauds. I mean let's be realistic here..I've been through enough college courses that were heavily based in scientific research methodology, to know it'd be near impossible to get away with that much, that frequently. And those who do pull shit like that usually get in huge trouble when all is said & done ;)
component parallels how I view sex differences (I tend to look more at biology than social roles, in part because of the fact the latter are an extension of the former, anyway.) I actually was just discussing this with someone within the past week, and I said I feel that too many people think acknowledgment of differences is inherently discriminatory. So it's funny this video addressed that. haha.
"equal but different" = "separate but equal" NO. I think of it more, to go along with the segregation example, as acknowledgment of certain differences in black vs white populations, for example if you were to make the claim that someone who is white is more likely to be afflicted with cystic fibrosis, and someone black, sickle-cell anemia... that's not saying that any one race is superior/inferior to the other. And I compare to diseases simply b/c the genetic
This is something I believe is the most fundamental piece that is really needed for a man and a women to truly be considered equal. "The expectations you look for in a partner must be expectations you would hold for yourself, if you can't follow one then you have an unrealistic expectation". We are the same in our species and different in our genders but that is really about it. Women and men need to held to the same legal standards. Rights and Responsibilities go hand in hand.
When you said "sacrificed their sacred honor" I just wanted to jump up and embrace you. I was listening and taking in your video and then BOOM. I felt like a light came on and when it illuminated it said, "She understands." Thank you Ma'am, thank you for understanding my plight and the plight of every man that still wants to be the men our fathers raised us to be in a world that constantly tells us they (our fathers) were wrong.
FEMINISTS DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN. Feminists are female supremacists that will do anything to get their way. Lying is the norm for them, not the exception. Feminists SELECTIVELY PRETEND to believe there are no differences between men and women as a tactic. If a man or woman goes on TV and says,"women are better leaders because they are better consensus builders" or "women are more empathetic than men", feminists don't say shit
Wow, you really have a good head on your shoulders. It's refreshing to hear. Keep the videos coming and hopefully this changes enough minds to restore our country.
Research shows men are more like women than they are different. But I agree w/ the gender roles, since it specializes the duties of men and women. That however starts to get counterproductive when it results in inequality or especially in how some men begin to view women (e.g. weak, less valuable than a man, etc). If we all understand our roles and know that one isn't necessarily better than the other but both complement each other, as you said in the beginning, then we will truly be better off.
Firstly, great video christy. It's superb to see a woman admitting that equality does not equate to men and women being *the same*. Anyone who has studied even basic evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology knows that there are distinct differences between men and women. Our bodies, brains and minds work differently, and anyone who says otherwise is a psudo-scientific idiot. Only detraction is to quote Pierre Laplace - God is not necessary in that model your majesty. ;)
I'd like to point something else about muslim countries. Authoritary regimes oppress men and women, but our international media sees only women, because media is sponsor dependant and the consumers are women, men and women buy more for women then for men. In shoppings, women's articles have 7 times more floor area. Men receive some 80% of money in the world, women spend some 80% of money in the world. And women are absolute champions in TV watching, with feminists fighting to censor programs.
@mohann2007 ... And that's why in drammas and suspenses, women tend to be victims, but also the heroines, and bad guys, cowards and abusers tend to be men. Feminists complain if the woman is not shown as brave, strong, loving... pictured favourably. They said Bella Swann was a bad example for girls, but not the violent power puff girls cartoon, :). On the other side, if you see an ad where one of the both will be ridicularized for humor, you can expect men will be ridiculed in 10 out of 10.
Won't u read, if you haven't, Warren Farrell and Christina Hoff Sommers? If you observe stupid things that bother you now, you'll see a world class bunch more, lol.
But you know, when you refer to God given things... You must have reasons of faith to say that and I respect it, but, my opinion, we don't need to put no one in the discussion but us. We make our messes anyway and it is up to us now, no God taken alibies for no one.
This bugs me so much. But whatever. I'm glad your not making the rules and I'm glad all citizens are equal under the government. I guess I can't criticize you for your opinion, but luckily that's all it will ever be. Meanwhile, I'll go on being an engineer, a women, a feminist, and a leader. For me feminism is doing what you want free from the idea of what a male or female should do. I do what I do because I want to do it. Not because I'm a women. You should try it: its freeing and honest.
@SILIKOWSKIful Don't know exactly why you say this bugs you. I saw her as putting out verifiable facts, rather than simply easily-dismissed opinion.
Everyone is not equal under the government--not even in value, let alone in function. Domestic violence laws, divorce laws, hiring quotas, media advertisement, movie role depictions, policing and prison sentencing are all biased toward favor toward women.
Seems like she is quite free and honest, already, to me.
@MyOttoLink Fair enough, What bugs me is that I don't judge other women for what they decide to do, but personally I want to have a career, I never want to give up my job and I don't know if I want to get married. I feel she's saying this is wrong or that I wont be as successfull. if she isn't, fine. but I feel like she is. Before I am a woman I am a human and as a human I have a right to pursue my happiness and what I believe in. It seems like she is saying that it would be wrong to do so.
Also how's advertisement biased for woman? In commercials woman are either sex objects or doing housework. I don't think its that big of a deal, but I have no idea how that benefits us. And yes, I would have to agree with some of that. She herself has said it: its a backlash. because for a long time woman have gotten the short end of the stick. But there are tons of situations where life is unfair for women and men alike.
@SILIKOWSKIful The Klan would love for us to just brush them off, and go about our business (which allows them to continue without accountability), but it's not the right thing to do.
Okay, that is a ridiculous response. I am completely for getting rid of any sort of injustice in the world. I was just noting that there are all sorts of minor unfair advantages in the world (affirmative action how about) that you can't let define you. How about you respond to my first response.the one about me having goals and hopes for myself that don't fit the typical motherly stereoptype.
@SILIKOWSKIful What is ridiculous is to be so arrogant as to call my response "ridiculous", while doing nothing to show why it would possibly BE ridiculous, then simply replace what I said.
Ok it is unfounded to insult your argument. but seriously. Just answer this question: how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. =
@SILIKOWSKIful How it portrays women is using their sexuality for THEMSELVES, manipulating (and very successfully) the men around them, to get what they want for themselves.
Umm I see it as woman being viewed as merely for sex. Like beer commerical usually feature really scantily clad women drinking beer. I for one would not like to be viewed like that.
@SILIKOWSKIful You have every right to limit what you see to that--I only object to the idea that says that because you only see that, that there is somehow nothing more there. I could understand you not wanting to be viewed only in a scantily-clad context. look at the fact that those women are not consistently portrayed as stupid, sex-STARVED, easily-manipulated, unfaithful, untrustworthy, child-like, etc. The men almost ALWAYS are portrayed that way (regardless of dress).
And women are portrayed as only worth something if they're hot. I haven't seen a single commercial where I've seen a women and thought, "Oh, that fairly represents me." and I bet you haven't seen one of a man.
@SILIKOWSKIful "And women are portrayed as only worth something if they're hot."
That's just not true. in most every movie and commercial I've seen, you've got hot women, but the ones that aren't hot still get to achieve, be smart, control, get to vent their anger at the world out on men, who are supposed to just "man up" and take it (since, as it's implied, they must somehow deserve this, anyway)...
@SILIKOWSKIful I'm only asking for substance--I'm not asking to make you agree. I read where hear you've mentioned any commercial in which a plane woman is devalued. The commercial industry, itself, CERTAINLY sees how they matter. Why would they spend MILLIONS for the right to influence your mind and mine? They matter for the same reason that news broadcasts, billboards, movies and T.V. programs and magazines matter: They influence THOUGHT--which will lead to action.
People aren't mindless automatons who believe whatever they see on TV. If believed everything that I saw advertised I would be poor and I would feel worthless. If we're talking about guys, I have a little brother who's seen all these commercials and has been exposed to all of this and he is GREAT. He is a leader in school, he gets good grades, and he seems to have healthy relationships with girls where he's not being mistreated.
@SILIKOWSKIful Don't impregnate my comment to say that I've somehow called ANYBODY a mindless automaton. Do you deny the influence of the media? Do you have a better answer as to why they would spend MILLIONS for 30 second spots at the superbowl? How do you explain (any better than I have) the changes in the dress/language/interactions/career-choices/eating habits, etc.??
bahh I'm not trying to. I guess we can't agree because I HATE how women are portrayed and I haven't let that influence me. Or I should say that I was raised well enough not to. Media sends a lot of terrible messages and the only remedy I can give to that is that individuals need to think for themselves.
@SILIKOWSKIful It HAS affected you, somewhat, I guarantee you. You may not have given into it, but since it influences people around you, it HAS influenced your relationships, your opportunities, etc.
@SILIKOWSKIful You being an exception (even if you NEVER let ANYTHING influence you) doesn't equate to media not being as influential as I've said it is! I wonder if you disagree with that?
No. I mean I'm sure some people are influenced, but I have a lot of faith in people. I haven't really met anyone who I think would blindly follow what they see on TV. But my point is that it is an all around bad influence on everyone. Its an even playing field. Like you don't think a guy could watch a beer commercial and think "Oh women are only worth their sex-appeal." or "Thats all I will notice". Like that sort of a logical inference that is bad for women.
@MyOttoLink Unfairness is NOT to be brushed off!! Pushed through, certainly. But it's irresponsible to just accommodate it, by allowing it to continue, unchallenged.
@MyOttoLink And the fact that choosing that sort of life would make me feel unfulfilled and that this video is basically saying I don't have a right to my own happiness.
She says that by women pursuing careers and asserting that they don't need men, and acheiving, they are being detrimental to men. I feel like this series is dripping with this idea. That is honestly what I am hearing from her and thats my problem. If you believe that I deserve these rights than I guess we have nothing to argue about.
@SILIKOWSKIful I didn't once hear her say THAT. I heard her say things that others may easily MOVE to that conclusion, but Christy is not to blame for that.
But yes I would encourage getting rid of these advantages. Just as I would be happy to get rid of some of the advantages men have. But saying men can't achieve because me acheiving my goals emasculates them. Well that's not an injustice towards them. Its something they need to deal with on their own. Maybe have separate schools for male and females or something. The freedom to pursue your own happiness is a god given right. Freedom from being offended, however, is not.
@SILIKOWSKIful "But saying men can't achieve because me acheiving my goals emasculates them."
There is no reason for you to argue that point with someone who has never claimed it--which I haven't!
We're not talking about the same thing, if you only see "advantages," where I see financial, mental, and yes physical slavery (getting men locked up in jail, due to what some woman SAYS he has done, for example). I can't see where Christy OR I mentioned anyone's goals being wrong.
@SILIKOWSKIful Advertisements tell both men and women to go specifically for what makes WOMEN happy. Advertisements tell us that women are smart, men are stupid. Advertisements teach us that women can and should be whatever they want--while teaching us that me should be what women say they should be. The advertisements that show women doing housework no longer have a man involved in them; just a child--showing that men are obsolete (feminist message for decades), etc.
Ok. How about advertisements are about demographics. If you are advertising to a channel women watch: the men are stupid. If you are advertising to one men watch: the women are sex objects. It most definately goes both ways. Everyone should probably be insulted about how advertising works. And I'm serious: Answer my question on how I'm not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men.
Also, so what if a women doesn't want a man or to get married. Did you ever think that maybe I as a woman have more to offer a man than servitude or dependence? A connection, understanding, or love are all things that don't require dependence. And here: this kid was raised by woman who obviously didn't need men and I think he turned out fantastic
@SILIKOWSKIful There is nobody that was truly raised without a man OR a woman, since both are going to be involved in every person's life--directly or indirectly! Meaning, you are typing on a computer that MEN put together/designed/delivered/updated/repaired, etc. Sitting on a chair that MEN put together/designed/delivered, in a building that MEN together/designed/delivered, etc...
@MyOttoLink why are you defending against serving or depending, as though I ever mentioned those things as your defining characteristics? I WOULD challenge, however, that you don't share a DEEP, tested, dependable love with ANYONE that you never allowed to depend upon you--or upon whom you've never allowed YOURSELF to depend. You think I'm wrong about THAT?
I'm not saying I don't need men just like I don't believe that I don't need woman. I'm just saying that my happiness doesn't depend on me getting married and having babies
@SILIKOWSKIful "Answer my question on how I'm not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men."
At the moment, I don't have the time to go back through the video to find that. I have a suspicion that I'm going to find that what she mentioned as emasculating to men was not whether or not you are happy, or pursuing a passion. If you find it first, post the min/sec where it is.
@SILIKOWSKIful I just listened to this. She didn't say anything about goals, passions, pursuits. She DID talk about feminism's goal of erasing distinctions, to point at which it "wouldn't matter" who fought the wars, brought home the paycheck, etc. She mentioned shirking/rejecting God-given roles as the method for this erasure, but didn't imply that wanting a career or not wanting to marry/be a mother equates to shirking a God-given role!
@SILIKOWSKIful Back up to 2:30, where she mentioned the book called "The Decline of Men." She went from that, to talking about the feminism's push to make men interchangeable. She flat-out called that "perversity," saying that it is THAT shirking of roles that is causing the destruction in m/f relationships; she pointed out that feminists dodge that, blaming the decline on everything BUT that. Listen again, and lemme know if you think I'VE missed it.
"It doesn't matter who stays at home with the kids, it doesn't matter who's the bread winner, it doesn't matter who fights the wars"
She says this in a critical manner. She says that this is being "equal" and that it is wrong. I couldn't disagree more.
sidenote I can't believe we have dominated this whole comments section. I feel mad with power. This is what happens when I have a thermo test I don't want to study for.
@SILIKOWSKIful You can't just "disagree" (no data, no counter-argument, no better hypothesis, etc.) and expect what you disagree with to just go away!!! She didn't say this IS "being equal". She said that this is what feminism (partly through the media, including commercials) is pushing for people to ACCEPT as "equal" She's RIGHT!
LOL--I know, right? Thermo, huh? Those were the days! Strength of materials, Structure and Bonding, Stoichiometry, Material Science..
Ok fine, but your getting more into philosophy when you ask why I disagree. I believe that everyone has a right to pursue their own happiness as long as it isn't harming others. I thinks that pretty fundamental, but I think a lot of people would agree- John Locke, for example. She's saying that people have god given roles that you shouldn't shirk. even if they make you unhappy.
Does a fridge heat or cool the room?!..thats all I'll emember from this class.
@SILIKOWSKIful I'm asking for SUBSTANCE, when I ask why you disagree! Christy never mentioned happiness! You keep imposing that upon her, but she NEVER SAID IT. She mentioned that the shirking of those roles DESTROYED. And she's right. You've not refuted that.
@MyOttoLink And she mentioned the feminist thoughts as the driver of this destruction. Check out her other videos, and you'll see that she specifies the education system and even the military as places in which fem. thought has wreaked HAVOK.
@SILIKOWSKIful Substance=evidence, data, even compelling theory. More than, "well I just think..." or "I feel..."
You saying those roles would make you unhappy is: 1. presumptuous (if you've no good understanding of what they even are, as you've shown here tonight, from your misquoting Christy, you have no idea HOW you would respond to them!); 2. not the point that Christy made. She rightfully says, w/ evidence, that it's wrong to shirk those roles; she's RIGHT.
Misquoting! Those are exact quotes. And I don't see her providing any valid evidence! I I don't see how it is wrong to shirk them. I don't presume that humans are so simple that you can group them into two categories and determine their roles from there and I don't see her presenting any valid proof that you can. She is giving her opinion. And it is an opinion that I find a little insulting
@SILIKOWSKIful She didn't present that as sole proof. She pointed out the SAME THING in humans, and presented personal experience that she noticed, that coincided PERFECTLY--though you are right about us being on a higher level than animals. She pointed out that this is NATIONWIDE, too.
Ahh but I don't understand why that experience in Egypt should be an ideal. Whats natural isn't necessarily what is right. There are women who don't naturally respond like that because PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. I, for example, to a fault do not like to accept help from people and honestly I feel happiest and most fulfilled when I can be independent and protect myself. I can't speak for everyone else, but she seems to think she can!
I guess I need SCIENTIFIC evidence that men and woman are supposed to act in a certain way. That would be the only evidence compelling enough and I don't think it exists.
@SILIKOWSKIful HAAAAN-AH!!!! Not having that. You're doing the strawman thing, again. She NEVER said--nor did I--or even HINT that her experience makes the ideal. She mentioned that as an example of how men act like MEN when women ACT like WOMEN. Neither she, nor I, ever said that what's natural is RIGHT. Why would you defend against what nobody said????
@MyOttoLink Ahhh! You're saying I'm doing all these things and I'm just being honest!
"When men act like men and women act like women." This implies a narrow understanding about what a "women" is. It sounds like she is implying that "women" is this "natural" example she gives. I have already explained why I think the natural example is wrong.
How can you interpret what she is saying other than that acting in this "natural" way is right and other ways are wrong?
@SILIKOWSKIful I asked you SEVERAL times to tell me where she had said ANYTHING about your happiness, where she has said that you pursuing goals is somehow "emasculating men". You didn't come up with ONE quote. She DID present substance, saying that you SEE the result of shirking those roles, and accepting FEMINIST TEACHING that encourages it. She challenged you to look at relationships, seeing if you see more of a leader, and more of a follower (and she ALREADY dealt with
@MyOttoLink the question of whether women can lead), and to see if you see this, or if you disagree. She mentioned the FEMINIST teaching in the schools that is dumbing down boys as leaders, pushing as hard as they can to make women the leaders, erasing the distinction between the sexes. Not one person has been able to refute her points. They just construct points that they then attribute to HER, then shoot them down, pretending to have said something. Pathetic.
I'm not saying she said anything about it. I'm saying that following what she is teaching would make me unhappy. I know this because I know myself.
AND once again. she does not provide any valid evidence that boys are natural leaders, and that they are being repressed. SERIOUSLY show me any valid evidence she has. And how is it pathetic to disagree with this. I am not insulting her or her intelligence. I just believe she is wrong.
@SILIKOWSKIful "how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. "
@SILIKOWSKIful "It doesn't matter who stays at home with the kids, it doesn't matter who's the bread winner, it doesn't matter who fights the wars" = EXACT QUOTE
--IN the most SHAMEFULLY misleading context!!!!! Who was is that she said said this?? Were these HER thoughts, or was she discussing someone else's thoughts????
@SILIKOWSKIful "how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. " You're now going to say that you never said this???? She so clearly said that she wouldn't go into (in THIS video) evidence that boys are natural leaders. But she DID mention her experience in Egypt, mentioning the culture in which the men led. She had more to say in other vids.
And I say that her experiences aren't valid enough evidence to support any of her points. Because I have had plenty experiences where I have seen woman as natural leaders and have seen many women and men interact differently in positive ways that aren't how she describes.
And in most of those statements I was interpreting what she was saying or relating what she was saying to my life. But yes I probably shouldn't haven't quoted "emasculates." That's it though!
SILIKOWSKIful That's NOT it!!! What you're failing to acknowledge is that you apply your interpretation to Christy as though SHE were guilty of actually saying what YOU said; then, you proceed to argue with her!!! You also dodge that at NO point did she even HINT that her experience is somehow the foundation of her points. I so clearly said that she had more to say in other vids about her claims. i wasn't talking about personal experience, either!! Go see!
@SILIKOWSKIful You can't mention ONE thing that she said that I interpreted, (rather than quoted), defending her against words that I shoved into her mouth--don't put ME into that. You being reminded of some evil caste/serf/nobility system has nothing to do with what she, I, or anyone else has actually said.
@SILIKOWSKIful HMMMM seems like another pitiful attempt at dodging!!! You didn't answer my argument, again.....AGAIN........ And you say I shoved a word in your mouth, when I NEVER SAID those were your words! Your constant denunciation of God-given roles, your lack of respect for those roles, the way you condescended to her in your original post make it CLEAR you believe the caste system--that YOU SAID it reminds you of--is evil. You dare disagree?
Evil is a strong word. But yes I believe its wrong. Don't you? Maybe we have different meanings of the word interpret. I listen to what she says, and respond to it. I don't use exact quotes all the time, but I believe I am responding to her argument and the points she is conveying. That requires interpretation! How do you not interpret what someone says in every argument you have?! And who says those roles are God-given?
and I condescended to her because she was condescending enough to imply that she knows what's best for me. Even though she has never met me and knows nothing about me. Because when she is talking about women having natural roles she is talking about ME. I am a woman and this is why you can't make these giant all encompassing statements about groups of people. Because over half the time they're not true! (bahaha I don't think I'm going to get a good response from you on this one)
@SILIKOWSKIful Yes, she talked aobut men and women in all-encompassing statements. To disprove them, you would have to step out from what SHE says, into knowing what these roles are, that she's touting. She said they were God given. If you believe there is no God, or that there is somehow a God that doesn't give roles to men and women, then the burden of balancing everything would fall on YOUR shoulders. Speaking of that--In that case, what foundation would we have for our rights, I wonder??
I believe there is a God but I do not believe he has assigned us roles. Rationality, I believe can be used to find the foundation of our rights:
"Autonomy is therefore the ground of the dignity of human nature and of every rational nature."
"all rational beings stand under the law that each of them is to treat himself and all others never merely as a means but always at the same time as ends in themselves"
Worth is intrinsic. When you attempt to simplify someone and classify them as part of a group rather than viewing them as a human being you are disrespecting their autonomy which I would say is the reflection of God. So there you go.
See I don't understand how I can reason with you if you don't think that every human being is valuable, because they are human. That's why killing is wrong. That would be my definition of evil: viewing human lives as less important than ideas or anything really. Would you say that we as people don't have intrinsic worth. Or that at least there is something about us worth cherishing because we are human?
@SILIKOWSKIful No, I don't believe that having God-given roles is wrong (or were you talking about something else?).
"How do you not interpret what someone says in every argument you have?! And who says those roles are God-given? "
--I insist that they speak lucidly, and I simply respond to what they actually say. If they won't speak lucidly, I make it plain that they aren't doing so.
@SILIKOWSKIful CORRECT...SHE SPEAKS FAIRLY WELL, BUT NOT ENOUGH THAT WOULD PUT IN A POSITION OF A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD PER SAY.
AS FOR HER KNOWLEDGE, ANYONE READING THIS CAN OBTAIN THE SAME INFO THROUGH THE NET OE THE LIBRARY.
I TAKE IT, SHE IS APPROX 20 - 25 YRS OLD, AT THAT AGE, SHE HAS VERY LITTLE ACTUAL FIELD EXPERIENCE "ON HER OWN" NOT RELYING ON ANYONE FOR PERSONAL ASSISTANCE. LIVE IN A DIFFERENT STATE WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYONE AND LEARN TO CO-EXIST WITH PEOPLE FROM
@MrSilicon605 VARIOUS MULTI-ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS, WHERE HER BASIC WESTERNIZED IDEA OF PROCESSING INFO MIGHT BE OVER LOADED BY EXPEIENCING A DIFFERENT CULTURE NOT IMMEDIATELY KNOWN TO HER.
I OTHER WORDS, SHE APPEARS MOST GENUINE, BUT IS STILL "FAR TOO YOUNG" TO BE GIVING PHILISOPHICAL IDEAS ON FEMINISM OR THE PRESENT MALE CONDITION, WHICH SHE, PERHAPS HAS AQUIRED FROM HER DAD OR SOME OTHER MALE FAMILY MEMBER GIVING HER INPUT.
@MrSilicon605 SHE MEANS WELL, BUT IS SPEAKING FROM A POSITION WHERE SHE DOES NOT YET HAVE THE YEARS OF TRIAL AND ERROR IN LIFE TO BE, WHAT APPEARS SO SURE OF HERSELF.
5-10 YRS OF WORK EXPERIENCE, RELATIONSHIP HIGHS AND LOWS, BEING EDUCATD BY PEOPLE FAR MORE ACOMPLISHED THAT HER SELF DURING THAT TIME OF GROWTH, SHALL "THEN" MAKE HER WORTHY OF PEAKING THIS WAY...UNTIL THEN, SHE IS ONLY OBTAINING 2ND INFO FROM OTHERS WHOM EXPERIENCED WHAT SHE SPEAKS ABOUT.
@MrSilicon605 I HAVE MET MANY GALS, OLDER YET VERY MUCH LIKE HER, WHOM ARE WONDERFUL IN THEIR OCCUPATIONS OF CHOICE, BUT ARE POOR JUDGES IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE OF MALE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH.
THIS CONVERSING ON THE NET BY HER, IS SOMEWHAT HOPEFUL FOR THHE YOUNGER GENERATION, BUT SHE NEEDS TO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE LIFE "ON HER OWN" AND NOT ALWAYS IN HER FAVOR TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT HARDSHIP IS ALL ABOUT.
LIVING ON A FARM IS NOT HARD SHIP, JUST HARD WORK, I KNOW, FOR
@MrSilicon605 I SPEANT SUMMERS WITH MY COUSINS ON A FARM AND WORKED MY TAIL OFF. THAT TIME DOES NOT MAKE ME HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AS THOUGH I AM ALL KNOWING WITHOUT ACTUALLY TAKING AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF BEING OUT THERE AMONGST THE DIFFERENT CULTURES, TO ACTUALLY " BE CONFIDENT IN BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AS THIS GIRL DOES, ALTHOUG FROM A MOST YOUTHFUL NOT- TO ACCOMPLISHED PERSON.
IT TAKES AN ACCOMPLISHED, WORLDY IN KNOWLEDGE WHCIH WAS APPLIED IN THE FIELD, TO KNOW AN ASPIRING
@MrSilicon605 PERSON WHOM ONE DAY SHALL ALSO ATTAIN THE MONICKER "ACCOMPLISHED PERSON"....
HER PARENTS ARE MOST LIKELY PROUD OF HER AND SHOULD BE, BUT SHE DOES INDEED HAVE A DISTANCE TO GO TO CALL HERSELF A "SELF MADE WOMAN", WHICH CANNOT BE PEARNED FROM JUST LISTENING TO FAMILY MEMBERS OR THE INTERNET, BUT RATHER THROUGH THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF LIFE WHEN YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN AND MUST THINK FOR YOURSELF "OUTSIDE OF THE BOX YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING IN"...AS SHE IS HER.
"For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." -Thomas Jefferson
What's the point in being one or the other if we are "allegedly" all the same? That's a good point, we should appreacite and feel blessed for being one or the other. I'm all for having equal rights but i believe we are not born equal (men are better at some things and women at others, it's just natural).So what's the pursuit if equal rights is "allegedly" not to cure to both parties issues? Frankly right now i feel like both genders have equal rights in the western world,yet women still unhappy?
Oh my. Please tell me this isn't about Jesus. OH FUCK!
marly9 2 days ago
The word I like to use is "equivalent". I've never believed in the equality of the genders and I hate the use of the word "equal" in that context. An apple does not equal an orange. They're both fruit, both good for you, not the same.
buddy1holly 3 days ago
I agree with everything you say about the gap between the genders closing. At my school most girls are encouraged and pushed forward to compete and even surpass the boys. What shocked me most was when I found out that the middle school girls were encouraged to do better than the boys in an all girl weight team. Not only that but girls in our school who compete more with men are looked on as better then girls who instead are into theater or other extracurricular activities.
I also believe the
KeepCalmJustLoveOn 4 days ago
Chauvenism is not a male attribute.it by definition means a overwelming belief that you are superior because of your life/personal choices.Natzi's were chauvanist's,they believed they were the perfect people race.they decided to eliminate the inferiors.you could say that Alkida is chauvanistic.any religion other than there's is inferior.so women can be placed in the same group.male bashing and competition has become average.sooo men are not Chauvanist unless they use it as a power control.
nomiclas 4 days ago in playlist feminism
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It's the beauty of the distinction between a Man and a Woman. A Man can not harbor a fetus, not generally nurture as a woman does. And a Woman generally can not build buildings, work in combat, hand to hand, and other more physically strenuous positions.
Brucev7 5 days ago
Leadership is not a masculine trait. As my pastor said, men lead primarily with their head and women lead primarily with their heart. Beth Moore is a wonderful example of a women's leader.
TheSeeker4wisdom 6 days ago
@TheSeeker4wisdom By the way, if you're in a position of influence, then you're leading. Isn't that what this author is doing? Shouldn't it, then, be a man giving this speech rather than a woman?
TheSeeker4wisdom 6 days ago
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@TheSeeker4wisdom I prefer Nancy Leigh DeMoss as a Bible teacher.
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Brucev7 5 days ago
@TheSeeker4wisdom - "Leadership is not a masculine trait" - rolf.
GoVir4l 5 days ago
@GoVir4l: Laughter is good. I'm happy I've somehow amused you (I think), but I'm not really sure I understand what point you're trying to make.
TheSeeker4wisdom 5 days ago
I am a feminist and I don't define equality as sameness. I do believe men and women are equal but different. What makes me a feminist is simply is that I believe in equal rights. For instance, I appreciate having the right to vote. I appreciate having the right to work outside the home without having to be economically dependent upon a man. I am a feminist who does not agree with the extreme views you characterize in feminism.
TheSeeker4wisdom 6 days ago
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"I appreciate having the right to work outside the home without having to be economically dependent upon a man."
A man like your father you mean? The patriarch of your family who I'll bet you were economically dependent on throughout your life?
Krackells 5 days ago
@TheSeeker4wisdom - "I am a feminist and I don't define equality as sameness".... LOL Christ.
GoVir4l 5 days ago
Men and women have different roles. I think there was a german or viking tribe that used to sleep and drink most of the day when not off at war. I need to read this book again to remember their name. lol
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 week ago
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well yes feminists are kooks. my mom's for womens' struggles but she's not some leftwing fucktard that hates white guys. she's noting for ron paul and she realizes obama has favored black females in govt jobs over white women than any other modern president. she sees that white women are underrepresented in pro sports too. same with white men. she knows that the system is marxist and anti white women and anti white men. that's the thing that cbs, nbc, etc won't tell you.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 week ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork And she went to uc berkely, had marxist professors, had non-marxist professors, had relatives that were beatniks, etc. When you know the truth, the media can't lie to you anymore. The problem is that there's so many zombies out their.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 week ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork - "white women are higher than other types of minorities".
Please explain.
GoVir4l 5 days ago
speak the truth. thank you.
raytube3000 1 week ago
yes it's true that white women are held down when it comes to pro sports via minorities taking those spots. and we know white women are better athletes overall so this quota pc/marxist pro sports thing in america has really hurt white women. most govt jobs also go to non white women.
white women AND men are attacked daily. it's time to stick up for each other.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 week ago
white men and white women are NOT equals. Men are far stronger and have more muscle mass. it's a scientific fact. men are more durable, this is why they also excel over women at endurance sports and in thinking endurance activity. higher IQS. however white women are higher than other types of minorities.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 week ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork you should have met my mom, grandma,great grandma.they were all intelligent totally creative people.they would beat your ass if they had too.i have so much respect for these ladies and the time i was loved by them.
nomiclas 4 days ago
Your so right you know, feminism has become a very destructive thing, it was noble what they did in their first wave, the movement that wanted to have women actively participate in society with men as equals. Now fems are trying to punish men for the injustice that happened centuries ago, and that stops men and women working together. Like Christina Hoff Sommers said in her book "The War Against boys" "In the Gender War, like any other war, truth is the first casualty" good videos and keep it up
every1dysalone 1 week ago
thank you
biguncleshirley 1 week ago
Another part of this issue is religion.
God, or the belief in a celestial King, is essential in curbing female sexual power enabling the integration of males and the establishment of complex social structures.
To control a female's libido the man is made into a Divine representative of the Supreme Alpha Male: God
It's too bad your anti-feminism is seeped in Christian doctrine because you are correct about everything else concerning men and women issues.
Satyr1966 1 week ago
Gender roles are extensions of sexual roles.
Behaviors do not spring out of nothingness.
Feminists have latched upon the word "gender" thinking they are making a point when they are saying nothing.
Sexual roles are manifestations of reproductive roles...gender roles are how these natural reproductive roles are applied within a particular culture.
to say that all differences are superficial or "physical" is to totally dismiss empiricism.
Satyr1966 1 week ago
I think you are a breath of fresh air in a suffocating country. You're like an angel in a demonic nation, but when I hear you say you want to go back to the middle east, it makes me wonder if you're not just some white chick with an Arab fetish. I really hope that isn't true and I really hope you don't go back to the middle east because men NEED YOU HERE!!! Here in YOUR country women like you are needed. They have plenty of good women in the middle east. It would be selfish of you to go there.
heteromale1 1 week ago
Amen Sister. It is very destructive. Biblical Marriage, Family, are disrupted which leads to a very unstable Society and Country. A lack of the "fullness" of what God has for us. No wonder the US has the highest Prison and Rehabilitation Population which is profited form. A too large Government. Capital should be put to Education, gainful jobs. I love the distinction between the two genders. It is an attraction. Can be an addition in a relationship. The Male is the head of the family.
Brucev7 1 week ago
cont'd Can a woman be better at say, finances, yes, running the household, yes, but each must find their roles before marriage, with pre-marital counseling. Having many women in the workplace, dilutes the number of jobs, pay, benefits such as Health Insurance and and Retirement for men. It also takes the Mothers away from their young children. God bless you for speaking this truth and needed change.
Brucev7 1 week ago
This agenda, usually associated with the left and liberalism, is really an anti-nature stance...the perversity is found in that these same "enlightened" ones claim to love nature, when in fact they only love the idea of nature: a cleansed, politically-correct, kinder gentler natural selection.
Read Heisman's Suicide Note for an insight into an aspect of this.
Satyr1966 1 week ago
You have to put feminism into a broader context. Distinction is being eliminating in all areas...including sex.
This relates to the ongoing "War against Terror" which is really a war against diversity, on a cultural scale. The culture of no-culture is this leveling of manking into indistinct, mindless automatons.
For more visit Satyr's Lair
Satyr1966 1 week ago
Ok, so you said between any two people one is more the leader. Then "leadership is masculine" but what do you mean?? All men have more leadership ability than all females? All men are more comfortable being leaders? You also say you do what nature demands. I think that prospective is persuasive for what you seem to be pointing to, but hasn't humankind reached the point where we can think and decide in ways animals in nature don't?
davmiddletonutube 1 week ago
Facts are facts. You can't say that all the scientific claims of anatomical differences in male vs female brain structures, were fudged results and all those guys are in on it and a bunch of frauds. I mean let's be realistic here..I've been through enough college courses that were heavily based in scientific research methodology, to know it'd be near impossible to get away with that much, that frequently. And those who do pull shit like that usually get in huge trouble when all is said & done ;)
RocknCorruptrepublic 1 week ago
component parallels how I view sex differences (I tend to look more at biology than social roles, in part because of the fact the latter are an extension of the former, anyway.) I actually was just discussing this with someone within the past week, and I said I feel that too many people think acknowledgment of differences is inherently discriminatory. So it's funny this video addressed that. haha.
RocknCorruptrepublic 1 week ago
10:20-11:00 couldn't agree more...
"equal but different" = "separate but equal" NO. I think of it more, to go along with the segregation example, as acknowledgment of certain differences in black vs white populations, for example if you were to make the claim that someone who is white is more likely to be afflicted with cystic fibrosis, and someone black, sickle-cell anemia... that's not saying that any one race is superior/inferior to the other. And I compare to diseases simply b/c the genetic
RocknCorruptrepublic 1 week ago
christy you are the first person i found on here that i am going to say you are absolutly awsome and correct in every way
blade0777 2 weeks ago
This is something I believe is the most fundamental piece that is really needed for a man and a women to truly be considered equal. "The expectations you look for in a partner must be expectations you would hold for yourself, if you can't follow one then you have an unrealistic expectation". We are the same in our species and different in our genders but that is really about it. Women and men need to held to the same legal standards. Rights and Responsibilities go hand in hand.
InsidiakMFWA 2 weeks ago
When you said "sacrificed their sacred honor" I just wanted to jump up and embrace you. I was listening and taking in your video and then BOOM. I felt like a light came on and when it illuminated it said, "She understands." Thank you Ma'am, thank you for understanding my plight and the plight of every man that still wants to be the men our fathers raised us to be in a world that constantly tells us they (our fathers) were wrong.
navymexican 2 weeks ago
Lol she speaks complete truth if you don't learn from this suffer on bro
LetGoToGrowth 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from christy0misty
i've just lost hope in it all. Nice vid though thanks : )
bingbang3214 3 weeks ago
u are so amazing and smart and beautiful ;) ... keep the vids coming, i love ur articulate point of view, it's very insightful
daleva187goligo 3 weeks ago
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FEMINISTS DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN. Feminists are female supremacists that will do anything to get their way. Lying is the norm for them, not the exception. Feminists SELECTIVELY PRETEND to believe there are no differences between men and women as a tactic. If a man or woman goes on TV and says,"women are better leaders because they are better consensus builders" or "women are more empathetic than men", feminists don't say shit
ActaNonVerba71 3 weeks ago
Wow, you really have a good head on your shoulders. It's refreshing to hear. Keep the videos coming and hopefully this changes enough minds to restore our country.
spicy1mike 3 weeks ago
Research shows men are more like women than they are different. But I agree w/ the gender roles, since it specializes the duties of men and women. That however starts to get counterproductive when it results in inequality or especially in how some men begin to view women (e.g. weak, less valuable than a man, etc). If we all understand our roles and know that one isn't necessarily better than the other but both complement each other, as you said in the beginning, then we will truly be better off.
nlytend1 3 weeks ago
DAMN SHE UNDERSTANDS...I LOVE THIS WOMEN!!!!!!!!
Narahara 3 weeks ago
good someone intelligent. thanks for the video all those nit wits needed to hear it.
EnochianBoy 3 weeks ago
"Why is there any point of even being a man or a woman" - absolutely brilliant analysis.. 5*****!
ShaktipatSeer2 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from christy0misty
The institution of marriage has created ownership of a person, it's screwing us all up.
movadoband 3 weeks ago
Firstly, great video christy. It's superb to see a woman admitting that equality does not equate to men and women being *the same*. Anyone who has studied even basic evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology knows that there are distinct differences between men and women. Our bodies, brains and minds work differently, and anyone who says otherwise is a psudo-scientific idiot. Only detraction is to quote Pierre Laplace - God is not necessary in that model your majesty. ;)
HappyAtheist1971 3 weeks ago
Christy for president!
crangdaniel 3 weeks ago
I'd like to point something else about muslim countries. Authoritary regimes oppress men and women, but our international media sees only women, because media is sponsor dependant and the consumers are women, men and women buy more for women then for men. In shoppings, women's articles have 7 times more floor area. Men receive some 80% of money in the world, women spend some 80% of money in the world. And women are absolute champions in TV watching, with feminists fighting to censor programs.
mohann2007 3 weeks ago
@mohann2007 ... And that's why in drammas and suspenses, women tend to be victims, but also the heroines, and bad guys, cowards and abusers tend to be men. Feminists complain if the woman is not shown as brave, strong, loving... pictured favourably. They said Bella Swann was a bad example for girls, but not the violent power puff girls cartoon, :). On the other side, if you see an ad where one of the both will be ridicularized for humor, you can expect men will be ridiculed in 10 out of 10.
mohann2007 3 weeks ago
Won't u read, if you haven't, Warren Farrell and Christina Hoff Sommers? If you observe stupid things that bother you now, you'll see a world class bunch more, lol.
But you know, when you refer to God given things... You must have reasons of faith to say that and I respect it, but, my opinion, we don't need to put no one in the discussion but us. We make our messes anyway and it is up to us now, no God taken alibies for no one.
mohann2007 3 weeks ago
/watch?v=eWuAH3P9s1k
celticanglopressss 3 weeks ago
This bugs me so much. But whatever. I'm glad your not making the rules and I'm glad all citizens are equal under the government. I guess I can't criticize you for your opinion, but luckily that's all it will ever be. Meanwhile, I'll go on being an engineer, a women, a feminist, and a leader. For me feminism is doing what you want free from the idea of what a male or female should do. I do what I do because I want to do it. Not because I'm a women. You should try it: its freeing and honest.
SILIKOWSKIful 4 weeks ago
Feminism is just hate ideology
TwiztidcAsh 4 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Don't know exactly why you say this bugs you. I saw her as putting out verifiable facts, rather than simply easily-dismissed opinion.
Everyone is not equal under the government--not even in value, let alone in function. Domestic violence laws, divorce laws, hiring quotas, media advertisement, movie role depictions, policing and prison sentencing are all biased toward favor toward women.
Seems like she is quite free and honest, already, to me.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink Fair enough, What bugs me is that I don't judge other women for what they decide to do, but personally I want to have a career, I never want to give up my job and I don't know if I want to get married. I feel she's saying this is wrong or that I wont be as successfull. if she isn't, fine. but I feel like she is. Before I am a woman I am a human and as a human I have a right to pursue my happiness and what I believe in. It seems like she is saying that it would be wrong to do so.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
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Also how's advertisement biased for woman? In commercials woman are either sex objects or doing housework. I don't think its that big of a deal, but I have no idea how that benefits us. And yes, I would have to agree with some of that. She herself has said it: its a backlash. because for a long time woman have gotten the short end of the stick. But there are tons of situations where life is unfair for women and men alike.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Truly motivated people are able to brush this unfairness off and work even harder.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful The Klan would love for us to just brush them off, and go about our business (which allows them to continue without accountability), but it's not the right thing to do.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
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Okay, that is a ridiculous response. I am completely for getting rid of any sort of injustice in the world. I was just noting that there are all sorts of minor unfair advantages in the world (affirmative action how about) that you can't let define you. How about you respond to my first response.the one about me having goals and hopes for myself that don't fit the typical motherly stereoptype.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful What is ridiculous is to be so arrogant as to call my response "ridiculous", while doing nothing to show why it would possibly BE ridiculous, then simply replace what I said.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
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Ok it is unfounded to insult your argument. but seriously. Just answer this question: how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. =
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
And watch a beer commercial. Tell me it doesn't portray women negatively.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful How it portrays women is using their sexuality for THEMSELVES, manipulating (and very successfully) the men around them, to get what they want for themselves.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Umm I see it as woman being viewed as merely for sex. Like beer commerical usually feature really scantily clad women drinking beer. I for one would not like to be viewed like that.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful You have every right to limit what you see to that--I only object to the idea that says that because you only see that, that there is somehow nothing more there. I could understand you not wanting to be viewed only in a scantily-clad context. look at the fact that those women are not consistently portrayed as stupid, sex-STARVED, easily-manipulated, unfaithful, untrustworthy, child-like, etc. The men almost ALWAYS are portrayed that way (regardless of dress).
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
And women are portrayed as only worth something if they're hot. I haven't seen a single commercial where I've seen a women and thought, "Oh, that fairly represents me." and I bet you haven't seen one of a man.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
except the "Man's Last Stand" commercial. Maybe you would like that one.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Haven't seen that commercial; I'll look it up.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful "And women are portrayed as only worth something if they're hot."
That's just not true. in most every movie and commercial I've seen, you've got hot women, but the ones that aren't hot still get to achieve, be smart, control, get to vent their anger at the world out on men, who are supposed to just "man up" and take it (since, as it's implied, they must somehow deserve this, anyway)...
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
agree to disagree then. but I don't really see how commercials matter that much anyways.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I'm only asking for substance--I'm not asking to make you agree. I read where hear you've mentioned any commercial in which a plane woman is devalued. The commercial industry, itself, CERTAINLY sees how they matter. Why would they spend MILLIONS for the right to influence your mind and mine? They matter for the same reason that news broadcasts, billboards, movies and T.V. programs and magazines matter: They influence THOUGHT--which will lead to action.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
People aren't mindless automatons who believe whatever they see on TV. If believed everything that I saw advertised I would be poor and I would feel worthless. If we're talking about guys, I have a little brother who's seen all these commercials and has been exposed to all of this and he is GREAT. He is a leader in school, he gets good grades, and he seems to have healthy relationships with girls where he's not being mistreated.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Don't impregnate my comment to say that I've somehow called ANYBODY a mindless automaton. Do you deny the influence of the media? Do you have a better answer as to why they would spend MILLIONS for 30 second spots at the superbowl? How do you explain (any better than I have) the changes in the dress/language/interactions/career-choices/eating habits, etc.??
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
bahh I'm not trying to. I guess we can't agree because I HATE how women are portrayed and I haven't let that influence me. Or I should say that I was raised well enough not to. Media sends a lot of terrible messages and the only remedy I can give to that is that individuals need to think for themselves.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
Like didn't you see that Rick Perry add!! Bad stuff like that happens all the time and everyone has a right to complain.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I DIDN'T see the Rick Perry ad! I'll watch it. But I'll still want to come back to what Christy was actually talking about, though.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful It HAS affected you, somewhat, I guarantee you. You may not have given into it, but since it influences people around you, it HAS influenced your relationships, your opportunities, etc.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful You being an exception (even if you NEVER let ANYTHING influence you) doesn't equate to media not being as influential as I've said it is! I wonder if you disagree with that?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
No. I mean I'm sure some people are influenced, but I have a lot of faith in people. I haven't really met anyone who I think would blindly follow what they see on TV. But my point is that it is an all around bad influence on everyone. Its an even playing field. Like you don't think a guy could watch a beer commercial and think "Oh women are only worth their sex-appeal." or "Thats all I will notice". Like that sort of a logical inference that is bad for women.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful How could you, an engineering student, say that it's an EVEN PLAYING FIELD, without ANY way of quantifying that???
You are right that it influences everyone, and--in many ways--in a bad way. How did we go from that, to "it EVENLY affects the genders"??????
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
alright so their is absolutely no way of quantifying that.
I am simply making assumptions to obtain a conclusion.
I do not think the margin of error is very great.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
google stereotypes in the media. First result.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
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@SILIKOWSKIful "I do not think the margin of error is very great."
I could easily understand why you would WANT the margin error to be small. But do you have reason to believe it IS small?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink Unfairness is NOT to be brushed off!! Pushed through, certainly. But it's irresponsible to just accommodate it, by allowing it to continue, unchallenged.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful "the one about me having goals and hopes for myself that don't fit the typical motherly stereoptype. "
I didn't see, anywhere, that you ever mentioned this. Where is it?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink And the fact that choosing that sort of life would make me feel unfulfilled and that this video is basically saying I don't have a right to my own happiness.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I don't see where you have picked up that this video is basically saying that; Out of what she said, what was it that told you that?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
She says that by women pursuing careers and asserting that they don't need men, and acheiving, they are being detrimental to men. I feel like this series is dripping with this idea. That is honestly what I am hearing from her and thats my problem. If you believe that I deserve these rights than I guess we have nothing to argue about.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I didn't once hear her say THAT. I heard her say things that others may easily MOVE to that conclusion, but Christy is not to blame for that.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
But yes I would encourage getting rid of these advantages. Just as I would be happy to get rid of some of the advantages men have. But saying men can't achieve because me acheiving my goals emasculates them. Well that's not an injustice towards them. Its something they need to deal with on their own. Maybe have separate schools for male and females or something. The freedom to pursue your own happiness is a god given right. Freedom from being offended, however, is not.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful "But saying men can't achieve because me acheiving my goals emasculates them."
There is no reason for you to argue that point with someone who has never claimed it--which I haven't!
We're not talking about the same thing, if you only see "advantages," where I see financial, mental, and yes physical slavery (getting men locked up in jail, due to what some woman SAYS he has done, for example). I can't see where Christy OR I mentioned anyone's goals being wrong.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Advertisements tell both men and women to go specifically for what makes WOMEN happy. Advertisements tell us that women are smart, men are stupid. Advertisements teach us that women can and should be whatever they want--while teaching us that me should be what women say they should be. The advertisements that show women doing housework no longer have a man involved in them; just a child--showing that men are obsolete (feminist message for decades), etc.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Ok. How about advertisements are about demographics. If you are advertising to a channel women watch: the men are stupid. If you are advertising to one men watch: the women are sex objects. It most definately goes both ways. Everyone should probably be insulted about how advertising works. And I'm serious: Answer my question on how I'm not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
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Also, so what if a women doesn't want a man or to get married. Did you ever think that maybe I as a woman have more to offer a man than servitude or dependence? A connection, understanding, or love are all things that don't require dependence. And here: this kid was raised by woman who obviously didn't need men and I think he turned out fantastic
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
meh. link doesn't work. search Zach Wahl, Iowa
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful There is nobody that was truly raised without a man OR a woman, since both are going to be involved in every person's life--directly or indirectly! Meaning, you are typing on a computer that MEN put together/designed/delivered/updated/repaired, etc. Sitting on a chair that MEN put together/designed/delivered, in a building that MEN together/designed/delivered, etc...
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink why are you defending against serving or depending, as though I ever mentioned those things as your defining characteristics? I WOULD challenge, however, that you don't share a DEEP, tested, dependable love with ANYONE that you never allowed to depend upon you--or upon whom you've never allowed YOURSELF to depend. You think I'm wrong about THAT?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
I'm not saying I don't need men just like I don't believe that I don't need woman. I'm just saying that my happiness doesn't depend on me getting married and having babies
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful "Answer my question on how I'm not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men."
At the moment, I don't have the time to go back through the video to find that. I have a suspicion that I'm going to find that what she mentioned as emasculating to men was not whether or not you are happy, or pursuing a passion. If you find it first, post the min/sec where it is.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
3:15-3:45. this one.
I am apparently "shucking my god given role"
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I just listened to this. She didn't say anything about goals, passions, pursuits. She DID talk about feminism's goal of erasing distinctions, to point at which it "wouldn't matter" who fought the wars, brought home the paycheck, etc. She mentioned shirking/rejecting God-given roles as the method for this erasure, but didn't imply that wanting a career or not wanting to marry/be a mother equates to shirking a God-given role!
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Than what did she mean by that?
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Back up to 2:30, where she mentioned the book called "The Decline of Men." She went from that, to talking about the feminism's push to make men interchangeable. She flat-out called that "perversity," saying that it is THAT shirking of roles that is causing the destruction in m/f relationships; she pointed out that feminists dodge that, blaming the decline on everything BUT that. Listen again, and lemme know if you think I'VE missed it.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
"It doesn't matter who stays at home with the kids, it doesn't matter who's the bread winner, it doesn't matter who fights the wars"
She says this in a critical manner. She says that this is being "equal" and that it is wrong. I couldn't disagree more.
sidenote I can't believe we have dominated this whole comments section. I feel mad with power. This is what happens when I have a thermo test I don't want to study for.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful You can't just "disagree" (no data, no counter-argument, no better hypothesis, etc.) and expect what you disagree with to just go away!!! She didn't say this IS "being equal". She said that this is what feminism (partly through the media, including commercials) is pushing for people to ACCEPT as "equal" She's RIGHT!
LOL--I know, right? Thermo, huh? Those were the days! Strength of materials, Structure and Bonding, Stoichiometry, Material Science..
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink At least we're (pretty much) staying on point. That's more than I can say for most comment sections!
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
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Ok fine, but your getting more into philosophy when you ask why I disagree. I believe that everyone has a right to pursue their own happiness as long as it isn't harming others. I thinks that pretty fundamental, but I think a lot of people would agree- John Locke, for example. She's saying that people have god given roles that you shouldn't shirk. even if they make you unhappy.
Does a fridge heat or cool the room?!..thats all I'll emember from this class.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I'm asking for SUBSTANCE, when I ask why you disagree! Christy never mentioned happiness! You keep imposing that upon her, but she NEVER SAID IT. She mentioned that the shirking of those roles DESTROYED. And she's right. You've not refuted that.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink And she mentioned the feminist thoughts as the driver of this destruction. Check out her other videos, and you'll see that she specifies the education system and even the military as places in which fem. thought has wreaked HAVOK.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink I'm saying those roles would make me unhappy but she thinks they are necessary and wrong to shirk. What do you mean substance?
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Substance=evidence, data, even compelling theory. More than, "well I just think..." or "I feel..."
You saying those roles would make you unhappy is: 1. presumptuous (if you've no good understanding of what they even are, as you've shown here tonight, from your misquoting Christy, you have no idea HOW you would respond to them!); 2. not the point that Christy made. She rightfully says, w/ evidence, that it's wrong to shirk those roles; she's RIGHT.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Misquoting! Those are exact quotes. And I don't see her providing any valid evidence! I I don't see how it is wrong to shirk them. I don't presume that humans are so simple that you can group them into two categories and determine their roles from there and I don't see her presenting any valid proof that you can. She is giving her opinion. And it is an opinion that I find a little insulting
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
and that animal instance is not proof. As humans we are capable of rationality and on a higher level than animals who are merely driven by nature.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful She didn't present that as sole proof. She pointed out the SAME THING in humans, and presented personal experience that she noticed, that coincided PERFECTLY--though you are right about us being on a higher level than animals. She pointed out that this is NATIONWIDE, too.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink She pointed it out THROUGHOUT history (the bloodshed, the sacrifice of life, ETC. being men on a MUCH greater scale!), too...
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Ahh but I don't understand why that experience in Egypt should be an ideal. Whats natural isn't necessarily what is right. There are women who don't naturally respond like that because PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. I, for example, to a fault do not like to accept help from people and honestly I feel happiest and most fulfilled when I can be independent and protect myself. I can't speak for everyone else, but she seems to think she can!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
I guess I need SCIENTIFIC evidence that men and woman are supposed to act in a certain way. That would be the only evidence compelling enough and I don't think it exists.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful HAAAAN-AH!!!! Not having that. You're doing the strawman thing, again. She NEVER said--nor did I--or even HINT that her experience makes the ideal. She mentioned that as an example of how men act like MEN when women ACT like WOMEN. Neither she, nor I, ever said that what's natural is RIGHT. Why would you defend against what nobody said????
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink Ahhh! You're saying I'm doing all these things and I'm just being honest!
"When men act like men and women act like women." This implies a narrow understanding about what a "women" is. It sounds like she is implying that "women" is this "natural" example she gives. I have already explained why I think the natural example is wrong.
How can you interpret what she is saying other than that acting in this "natural" way is right and other ways are wrong?
Who is Hanna!?
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
Here are Facts:
She gives several examples of men and women acting "naturally" as she believes
She says that things go more smoothly when this happens
AND THIS is the foundation of her arguement! I have already explained why it can't be backed up!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful I asked you SEVERAL times to tell me where she had said ANYTHING about your happiness, where she has said that you pursuing goals is somehow "emasculating men". You didn't come up with ONE quote. She DID present substance, saying that you SEE the result of shirking those roles, and accepting FEMINIST TEACHING that encourages it. She challenged you to look at relationships, seeing if you see more of a leader, and more of a follower (and she ALREADY dealt with
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink the question of whether women can lead), and to see if you see this, or if you disagree. She mentioned the FEMINIST teaching in the schools that is dumbing down boys as leaders, pushing as hard as they can to make women the leaders, erasing the distinction between the sexes. Not one person has been able to refute her points. They just construct points that they then attribute to HER, then shoot them down, pretending to have said something. Pathetic.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
I'm not saying she said anything about it. I'm saying that following what she is teaching would make me unhappy. I know this because I know myself.
AND once again. she does not provide any valid evidence that boys are natural leaders, and that they are being repressed. SERIOUSLY show me any valid evidence she has. And how is it pathetic to disagree with this. I am not insulting her or her intelligence. I just believe she is wrong.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
"It doesn't matter who stays at home with the kids, it doesn't matter who's the bread winner, it doesn't matter who fights the wars" = EXACT QUOTE
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
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MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Thats a quote that I said? You said I was misquoting her.
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
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@SILIKOWSKIful "how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. "
You most CERTAINLY said this!!!!!
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
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@SILIKOWSKIful "It doesn't matter who stays at home with the kids, it doesn't matter who's the bread winner, it doesn't matter who fights the wars" = EXACT QUOTE
--IN the most SHAMEFULLY misleading context!!!!! Who was is that she said said this?? Were these HER thoughts, or was she discussing someone else's thoughts????
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
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@SILIKOWSKIful "how am I not supposed to be offended when this video is stating that me pursuing my passion and what makes me happy is wrong because it "emasculates' men. " You're now going to say that you never said this???? She so clearly said that she wouldn't go into (in THIS video) evidence that boys are natural leaders. But she DID mention her experience in Egypt, mentioning the culture in which the men led. She had more to say in other vids.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
And I say that her experiences aren't valid enough evidence to support any of her points. Because I have had plenty experiences where I have seen woman as natural leaders and have seen many women and men interact differently in positive ways that aren't how she describes.
And in most of those statements I was interpreting what she was saying or relating what she was saying to my life. But yes I probably shouldn't haven't quoted "emasculates." That's it though!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
SILIKOWSKIful That's NOT it!!! What you're failing to acknowledge is that you apply your interpretation to Christy as though SHE were guilty of actually saying what YOU said; then, you proceed to argue with her!!! You also dodge that at NO point did she even HINT that her experience is somehow the foundation of her points. I so clearly said that she had more to say in other vids about her claims. i wasn't talking about personal experience, either!! Go see!
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Ok. Well then I see absolutely no foundation for her points!
And I have watched a few other ones too.
And yes I am criticizing my interpretation of what she is saying just like you are defending your interpretation of what she is saying.
And when I listen to her talking about "shucking your god given role" I am reminded of the caste system!!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful You can't mention ONE thing that she said that I interpreted, (rather than quoted), defending her against words that I shoved into her mouth--don't put ME into that. You being reminded of some evil caste/serf/nobility system has nothing to do with what she, I, or anyone else has actually said.
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
hmmm I never said "evil" caste system! Seems like you are shoving words into my mouth!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful HMMMM seems like another pitiful attempt at dodging!!! You didn't answer my argument, again.....AGAIN........ And you say I shoved a word in your mouth, when I NEVER SAID those were your words! Your constant denunciation of God-given roles, your lack of respect for those roles, the way you condescended to her in your original post make it CLEAR you believe the caste system--that YOU SAID it reminds you of--is evil. You dare disagree?
MyOttoLink 3 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
Evil is a strong word. But yes I believe its wrong. Don't you? Maybe we have different meanings of the word interpret. I listen to what she says, and respond to it. I don't use exact quotes all the time, but I believe I am responding to her argument and the points she is conveying. That requires interpretation! How do you not interpret what someone says in every argument you have?! And who says those roles are God-given?
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
and I condescended to her because she was condescending enough to imply that she knows what's best for me. Even though she has never met me and knows nothing about me. Because when she is talking about women having natural roles she is talking about ME. I am a woman and this is why you can't make these giant all encompassing statements about groups of people. Because over half the time they're not true! (bahaha I don't think I'm going to get a good response from you on this one)
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Yes, she talked aobut men and women in all-encompassing statements. To disprove them, you would have to step out from what SHE says, into knowing what these roles are, that she's touting. She said they were God given. If you believe there is no God, or that there is somehow a God that doesn't give roles to men and women, then the burden of balancing everything would fall on YOUR shoulders. Speaking of that--In that case, what foundation would we have for our rights, I wonder??
MyOttoLink 2 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
I believe there is a God but I do not believe he has assigned us roles. Rationality, I believe can be used to find the foundation of our rights:
"Autonomy is therefore the ground of the dignity of human nature and of every rational nature."
"all rational beings stand under the law that each of them is to treat himself and all others never merely as a means but always at the same time as ends in themselves"
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
Worth is intrinsic. When you attempt to simplify someone and classify them as part of a group rather than viewing them as a human being you are disrespecting their autonomy which I would say is the reflection of God. So there you go.
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful Worth is intrinsic? Is it absolute? Is it changeable? Subject to debate? Whose vote should be the tie-breaker?
MyOttoLink 2 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
See I don't understand how I can reason with you if you don't think that every human being is valuable, because they are human. That's why killing is wrong. That would be my definition of evil: viewing human lives as less important than ideas or anything really. Would you say that we as people don't have intrinsic worth. Or that at least there is something about us worth cherishing because we are human?
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful
alllssooo...I have to do a biblical exegesis for a religion class and I came across this quote.
"There is no such thing as Jew and Greek, slave and freeman, male and female; for you are all one person in Christ Jesus."
So that could be support for a God not giving roles to men or women.....
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
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SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful No, I don't believe that having God-given roles is wrong (or were you talking about something else?).
"How do you not interpret what someone says in every argument you have?! And who says those roles are God-given? "
--I insist that they speak lucidly, and I simply respond to what they actually say. If they won't speak lucidly, I make it plain that they aren't doing so.
MyOttoLink 2 weeks ago
@MyOttoLink
I was referring to the caste system.
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
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@MyOttoLink
I was referring to the caste system.
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
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@MyOttoLink
I was referring to the caste system.
SILIKOWSKIful 2 weeks ago
@SILIKOWSKIful CORRECT...SHE SPEAKS FAIRLY WELL, BUT NOT ENOUGH THAT WOULD PUT IN A POSITION OF A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD PER SAY.
AS FOR HER KNOWLEDGE, ANYONE READING THIS CAN OBTAIN THE SAME INFO THROUGH THE NET OE THE LIBRARY.
I TAKE IT, SHE IS APPROX 20 - 25 YRS OLD, AT THAT AGE, SHE HAS VERY LITTLE ACTUAL FIELD EXPERIENCE "ON HER OWN" NOT RELYING ON ANYONE FOR PERSONAL ASSISTANCE. LIVE IN A DIFFERENT STATE WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYONE AND LEARN TO CO-EXIST WITH PEOPLE FROM
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605 VARIOUS MULTI-ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS, WHERE HER BASIC WESTERNIZED IDEA OF PROCESSING INFO MIGHT BE OVER LOADED BY EXPEIENCING A DIFFERENT CULTURE NOT IMMEDIATELY KNOWN TO HER.
I OTHER WORDS, SHE APPEARS MOST GENUINE, BUT IS STILL "FAR TOO YOUNG" TO BE GIVING PHILISOPHICAL IDEAS ON FEMINISM OR THE PRESENT MALE CONDITION, WHICH SHE, PERHAPS HAS AQUIRED FROM HER DAD OR SOME OTHER MALE FAMILY MEMBER GIVING HER INPUT.
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605 SHE MEANS WELL, BUT IS SPEAKING FROM A POSITION WHERE SHE DOES NOT YET HAVE THE YEARS OF TRIAL AND ERROR IN LIFE TO BE, WHAT APPEARS SO SURE OF HERSELF.
5-10 YRS OF WORK EXPERIENCE, RELATIONSHIP HIGHS AND LOWS, BEING EDUCATD BY PEOPLE FAR MORE ACOMPLISHED THAT HER SELF DURING THAT TIME OF GROWTH, SHALL "THEN" MAKE HER WORTHY OF PEAKING THIS WAY...UNTIL THEN, SHE IS ONLY OBTAINING 2ND INFO FROM OTHERS WHOM EXPERIENCED WHAT SHE SPEAKS ABOUT.
A GOOD GIRL? PROBABLY.
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605 I HAVE MET MANY GALS, OLDER YET VERY MUCH LIKE HER, WHOM ARE WONDERFUL IN THEIR OCCUPATIONS OF CHOICE, BUT ARE POOR JUDGES IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE OF MALE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH.
THIS CONVERSING ON THE NET BY HER, IS SOMEWHAT HOPEFUL FOR THHE YOUNGER GENERATION, BUT SHE NEEDS TO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE LIFE "ON HER OWN" AND NOT ALWAYS IN HER FAVOR TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT HARDSHIP IS ALL ABOUT.
LIVING ON A FARM IS NOT HARD SHIP, JUST HARD WORK, I KNOW, FOR
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605 I SPEANT SUMMERS WITH MY COUSINS ON A FARM AND WORKED MY TAIL OFF. THAT TIME DOES NOT MAKE ME HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AS THOUGH I AM ALL KNOWING WITHOUT ACTUALLY TAKING AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF BEING OUT THERE AMONGST THE DIFFERENT CULTURES, TO ACTUALLY " BE CONFIDENT IN BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AS THIS GIRL DOES, ALTHOUG FROM A MOST YOUTHFUL NOT- TO ACCOMPLISHED PERSON.
IT TAKES AN ACCOMPLISHED, WORLDY IN KNOWLEDGE WHCIH WAS APPLIED IN THE FIELD, TO KNOW AN ASPIRING
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605 PERSON WHOM ONE DAY SHALL ALSO ATTAIN THE MONICKER "ACCOMPLISHED PERSON"....
HER PARENTS ARE MOST LIKELY PROUD OF HER AND SHOULD BE, BUT SHE DOES INDEED HAVE A DISTANCE TO GO TO CALL HERSELF A "SELF MADE WOMAN", WHICH CANNOT BE PEARNED FROM JUST LISTENING TO FAMILY MEMBERS OR THE INTERNET, BUT RATHER THROUGH THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF LIFE WHEN YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN AND MUST THINK FOR YOURSELF "OUTSIDE OF THE BOX YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING IN"...AS SHE IS HER.
MrSilicon605 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605
I think that makes sense! agreed!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
@MrSilicon605
agreed!
SILIKOWSKIful 3 weeks ago
im so much in love with this woman.
athensohcowboy 4 weeks ago
"For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." -Thomas Jefferson
JackM12345100 4 weeks ago
What's the point in being one or the other if we are "allegedly" all the same? That's a good point, we should appreacite and feel blessed for being one or the other. I'm all for having equal rights but i believe we are not born equal (men are better at some things and women at others, it's just natural).So what's the pursuit if equal rights is "allegedly" not to cure to both parties issues? Frankly right now i feel like both genders have equal rights in the western world,yet women still unhappy?
kalimul 4 weeks ago