Most kids I know would say ' what is a turn?', or, if i said,' Define taking turns', they would maybe know what it is, but not why it is good to take turns. Actually , they said ' What's define?' : ) So it is cute for the teachers, but once they are grown it is even unsafe, like mixed language workers yelling 'hot' to each other in the kitchen. Time for repetitive spoken learning in a group.
someone from the 1940s lookin at Gen X and Y would see little difference . I'm an Xer born in 72 and its a blessing to know how it feels to live in a more organic time before the videogame boom which ushered in the computer era. Gen Ys are not to blame for any of this. blame political correctness, technology, profits before humanity Etc. Xers struggled to be funtional parents, Ys struggle to be funtional adults. what will the children of Ys be like ? sounds like breaking point approaching
Reading two of the top rated comments from Gen Y-ers tells me exactly why we're in the situation we're in, with a liberal in the white house pushing entitlement programs that will bankrupt this country. First, you have a 21 year old saying he and many of his friends would rather just be happy than worry about the complications of money, and then you have someone saying right off the bat that they can't find motivation in a job. Future unemployment sucklers paid for by you and me. God help us.
i have lost more money than any of my friends that graduated could ever make, fortunes are created by visionarie dropouts, its those people that usually create jobs for trolls that like to stand in lines and follow rules, a sheep will never understand the wolf, if you cant take risks you will never reap big awards, fin
The main problem with working in a corporate environment is the corporate model. It's a hierarchy of conformity and social class. The executives are all silver spoon yuppies who had it all handed to them. The management are all wannabe yuppie sheep (shouldn't they be shepards?). The people who do the actual work get paid nothing and are treated like elementary school children. It may sound cynical but as you know cynicism is born from the hard truth.
I was born in '84 I'm not sure what gen. that puts me in and I don't care. Personally I never really cared much for corporate America, not knocking that career path, it's just not for me. I wanna be able to do something with my life besides make some old guy a bunch of money. But regardless of what you get in to I think it's important to learn the rules and the ins and outs before you start trying to make improvements and humility and patience are something this country is sorely lacking.
I was born in 1990. I'm a Gen Y, but that does NOT mean I fit the stereotype! I never had a "real job" outside of working for my family, but I've been doing volunteer work for years. I'm not into the new stuff much, I care for and go out of my way to help other people (even strangers), I don't mind waiting my turn, I am eager to do any task you want me to, and I don't care for any rewards; no trophies, no praise, nada. Your smile is more than enough for me.
hi i am from india, 30yrs male, want to start a new business taking you tube as base for marketing... i dont have capital money but want to look at going out to all hotels in GOA-INDIA asking them to quote low price for me and sell the same on you tube... can you guide me....
The corporate world means nothing to me. Neither does entitlement. I don't feel like I deserve anything. I just want to be able to make enough money to survive and not deal with people. There is no point to anything, and money means nothing other than the empty meaning our system places on it. Total apathy.
I got out of corporate America after seeing how they really treat you when you spend 30 years with the company, hit 50 and then they would toss them under the bus.
I would say that the motto for the Boomers is "Nos vere don't tribuo a damno anymore" or "Virga vestri officium sursum vestri ass quoniam EGO sum questus ex hic"
Now with all my ripping on Gen Y'rs done, I think it is a travesty what a disaster our parents have left us to clean up. At no other point in history has a generation left such a monstrous load of debt and sheer garbage for their children to wade through; so on that note I can understand why people my age are pissed. We were left with a black hole of interest and debt.
Not just that, we have to fix up their goddamn environmental mess as well. The create the problems and we are here to pick up the pieces and fix everything.
I am 26...my boss asks if I would like to do something. It is my job to want to do what he asks. Work eight hours for eight hours of pay. Show up on time. Be respectful. Do not make excuses. Put family first. Save for the things you want. Have emergency funds. SAVE preferrably in a lasting commodity in gold, silver, or agricultural ETFs (Dollars lose too much value). Work as though Christ is your boss because he has placed those in authority over you. Come on Gen Me; it's time to man up
We are ambitious however, and i hope my last post didn't make us sound like a bunch of manic depressants. We want to be happy and we will do whatever we fill is needed to accomplish this happiness. Because of this, i think a lot of us will only go into the corporate world as a last resort b/c we've grown up watching our parents bow down to their corporations and we don't want to do that.
Forgive me if I read a little bit to much into what you said, "We want to be happy and we will do whatever we fill is needed to accomplish this happiness." Does this include taking that happiness from another who has earned it simply because you think it should be rightfully yours? Of course you'd never admit to that but we will see how good ppl are when this economy comes crashing down and food suddenly is in short supply. Would the ME generation rob my family because I was wise and prepared?
Honestly I think many of these studies are done by Boomers and older X'ers who simply do not understand our generation. Also, if we're so narcissistic, explain to me the growing number of teen and young adult suicides or the whole 'emo' music movement. Looking at my generation through my eyes i see a bunch of cynics and skeptics who grew up in a world were kids are shot in there own classrooms, plains are flown into buildings, and echo systems are dying.
Suicide is a direct product of narcissism; or another word would be pride. Pride=obession with self, and many times people who are suicidal are constantly thinking about themselves in how depressed/lonely/outcast they are. If they weren't so introspective and focus their attention outside they would not be so 'down' on themselves. I was born in 1983 btw so TECHNICALLY I am part of this horrible generation but my parents raised me right.
You fucking moron, suicide is not the direct product of narcissism. If you were a psychologist, i'd have you sacked from your job. Suicide is the direct product of being unable to cope anymore, and I have been pretty close to that edge, but not close enough to actually end my life. I know others that were as well, and luckily, they aren't dead either. You pathetic mess.
I researched this allegation of narcissism. The actual research shows that Gen Y is not narcissistic. It's just that the Boomer parents have projected its own narcissism on to their own children. Having grown up with this label, many GenYs have accepted it as true. If you want intelligent analysis about generations, check out Strauss and Howe.
I'm not talking about the perceptions of whether people see anyone as narcissistic. I'm talking about scientific definitions of narcissism and scientific research about narcissism.
i was born in 89. I feel the my generation hates the whole waiting your turn notion because many of our parents are boomers who after working at a company for many decades gets laid off. Seeing our parents slave for a coporation just to be fucked over in the end showed us that being slaves to debt and job is no way to live. Many people my age feel its more important to be happy than to be rich.
I'm 29. What I hate about this current generation of 20 somethings in the workplace is the arrogance and cliques. It seems like people care more about the petty things (aka trying to impress each other) than about teamwork. It also feels like there is a lot of bullying going on and people are too lazy to do anything about it.
As a 14 year old, Millenial/Gen Y I find the term Narcacistic a good describing word of me and my generation, I would say... hmm not sure what I would say! I have always had everything I wanted, my mum is a gen X, and my dad a baby boomer, Im used to having everything at the click of a mouse I have a short attention span and as a child of Gen x and baby boomer, I feel as if i understand the difference better than most. How is it my fault I want everything its the way I was brought up.
As a Y Gen, I find that it can be difficult to find motivation in a job. I'll be entering college this coming year and I strive to make myself better. However, I don't want to be stuck at a joyless job like my parents. Don't get me wrong. I would be grateful to have a job in this day and age. Money's pretty tight now. I just don't want to be working like a drone without having completed anything, just living to work, you know?
Well I am a 40 year old Gen X'er and I am still treated like a Wipper-snapper at work.
Word from the wise, if you are in an office and the copier jams, let someone else fix it, once you get pegged as the guy who can fix the copier, your credibility plummets. :)
Acutally, I think I live a pretty modest life, I probably have more in common with the WW2 Generation than the Boomers whoes motto is "Apre mois, Le Deluge!"
Oh, hey, that's a great comment! I feel like I know you well. You guys hold the whole frakkin' thing together, doin' what has to be done in so many of these ill-designed organizations. Louis XV gave us the line, and we ran with it! Thanks for stoppin' by.
Gen X here. I think Gen X did the boomers a bit of a disservice in not fighting stronger to get them to resist navel-gazing. There weren't enough of us to refocus things (as the boomers did during their youth), and we were left having to pander to boomer values/needs/desires (in the corporate world). The working Xer needed to learn to communicate with boomers on their turf. Now boomers are faced with their own children, who are numerous enough to wake the boomers up. Like father like son!
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We have been told all of our lives how special we are and how wonderful we are, and we were told that by Gen. X, so now that we all belive it, you all have to deal with it. And I do feel like I deserve an incredible career. I have an amazing education, and I am more productive than Gen X. This is life so all you old folks are just going to have to deal with it. I would also suggest changing your attitudes because we are the future. Jeans, massages, naps, bowling, all at work, welcome to 2008.
First off, I'm a Boomer. Second, we've all been the future, so don't let it go to your head! If you're lucky enough to get old, you'll know what I mean. Third, I'd put my amazing education up against any I've seen in the forty years since I graduated from college. I think the changes your generation is bringing to the workplace are great. What's very important is not to confuse style with substance, something that's very easy for young people to do in our fashion-obsessed culture. Thanks!
I think Gen X are actually not very fond of Gen Y, Gen X is tougher and often see you as pansies... also as more style-conscious than career-conscious, so I doubt you are - substantially - more productive... Furthermore, Gen X isn't old, if they are, then you are infantile
If there's blame to go around, it's the boomers, because boomers showed their kids that committment to relationships mean nothing (boomers' divorce rate is an atrocity). Boomers also bought into the goofy notion that any discipline is a form of child abuse. Couple this with spoiling their kids rotten and treating them as objects makes for a perfect recipe for narcissism. Technology just added the icing on the cake. "Spoiled brat" is a nickname boomers forgot and it's come home to roost.
From Wikipedia (causes of narcissism): * An oversensitive temperament at birth * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents * Severe emotional abuse in childhood * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults * Learning manipulative behaviors from parents
...this generation's like robots,programmed subliminally through the music(ipod the whole day),the tv,the media, THE SCHOOL, etc. The actual generation's designed 2 consume,2 earn in order to spent (in that circle),2 live a chillingly,2 live the NOW and the HERE w/o caring of consequences believing that once dead all is done, and that as the only sure thing's dead they must live their life w/o regreting of anything,just 2 live 4 pleasure til that apparently unavoidable act called death happen.
... with the only finality to control every living being. OF COURSE, that is possible if the watchers (family) do not open their eyes and take care what this generation kids are being programmed into, and make the balance to incline towards what is really positive.
The actual generation is nothing more than a product of a power that works behind and above the governors of the nations. The actual generation is nothing more than puppets, products, tools for a dark power to take control on the whole world. The actual generation is designed to make future generations to be slave or also simply products. It is designed to make those weak in the old generations to envy the way they live and enter into the model of auto-destruction they've being designed 2 b...
People look at the worlds current repugnant state and point the finger at the youth. However, realistically, it would be the previous generations which brought us to where we are. The young people are the only hope of making something better for the future. The problem is, we all have different ideas of what type of change could be positive. Im 20 years old, and I personally despise the idea of conforming to the traditional "American Dream".
tlg847, you are smart for opening up dialog instead of generalizing. i work with both brilliant, hard-working gen y'ers AND with lazy entitled ones. i learn a lot from both groups. i'm enjoying the responses here. and, i'm very curious about which group will come out on top.
funny thing is that we are in an economic depression, the american stock market is lower than it was during the great depression and the value of the dollar is at an all time low. In a december 2007 press conference televised on CNN the UN declared intent to institute food rationing world wide as a means to save the dollar from completely crashing. It has already happened and the youth has evolved to rise above it. I was born in 1985, I am US Army Infantry. And a bussiness student
what is the article? and who wrote it? and how qualified are they to be age-ist, and full of blanket statements?!?
Are you only talking about americans? I'm really not sure how relevant this is and how it is going to solve any problems you seem to be having with your young work force.
i was born in 1989 and the fact that i drop out school and that now i am my Workforce xD Hahahaha can talk about that...i run my own bussiness....ain't that much but it will get bigger. I was never eager to make choices or anything...i just found myself doing so. Maybe people who hate rules or try to make themselves so obvious for the landscape to see them is because they feel the need to be watched...it's not something about being useful or rebelious or anything.
If people need experience before they can make decisions that affect other people or the the income of the company in a major way then they should wait for experience and do what their employment entails.
I am only 15 but my opinion on this subject is that the only reason this generation wants more responsibility is the new micro-wave, TV attitude that they have been brought up with. Most young people find it difficult to wait for things.
The way we experience time is a generation- and culture-defining element. As I've gotten older I've come to appreciate the differences between things that happen fast and things that happen slow. Old Zen saying: "if something is boring for 10 minutes, do it for 20." Thanks.
I agree. People my age, i was born in 1977, have more want things fast and now. For things to take time, we consider it unvaluable and not worth spending time on
Sorry I missed this. Yes, that attitude is understandable, yet some things can only happen in their own time. Plant a seed. No matter how hard you push it, water it, watch it, it'll only grow in its own time.
I was born in 1972 and I completely agree with you. People around my age and younger are like that... and I use my personal observations. When my boss is hiring a new guy that is 25 or younger, I groan... an acquired prejudice of mine. I could give hundreds of examples of how accurate you are on this.
I was born in 1976, and I think it is common for older generations to complain about the newer ones, so I give this "theory" very little merit. I find it funny how a generation that lived through the civil rights movement is still lumping people into little categories. Have people who were born before 1975 still not learned their lesson? Shame on you for this. What great mentors we have.
" I find it funny how a generation that lived through the civil rights movement is still lumping people into little categories. Have people who were born before 1975 still not learned their lesson? "
Born before 75 = "lived through the civil rights movement" ?
Being born in 1973, I worked my butt off taking crap for over 16 years right out of high school! Not only in the last couple of years did I finaly have a job some would say is cush! Then again, I ask, isn't any job in government cush even at it's hardest? I always knew people would need water! Now my all my hope is in youtube being im a new partner!
Well, I was born in early 85. I think that article may only fit a certain group of people. I don't see myself fitting in that group of people. I enjoy working, and I just hate sitting around doing nothing all day. I was raised in the midwest, and every summer I enjoyed going to my grandparents doing work on the farm. As for now, I own my own business.
I think the opportunities that exist today for people like yourself are what gives your generation hope. The idea of owning a business at your age was very remote for my generation. For yours, it's the goal that many strive for. I think that's terrific. Thanks for the comment.
Those born in 1975 are within Generation X my friend., not the next generation who has to be taught by employers to use a knife, fork, and spoon. Gen Y's would be born after 1980 at the earliest.
I've seen lots of different cut off dates for the different generational designations. Five years one way or the other, I think the issue is an interesting one. Thanks.
I agree. The cut off dates are ambiguous, but so is how to define a Generation so and so. You see quite a bit of overlap. I'm an Xer with parents were born well before the Boomer cut off...I always thought another Great Depression was coming looming around the corner. Lol! Peace
Its not a cut and dry thing.. iIt goes off of demographics and trends. Probably certain trends that are indicitive of being specifically millenial didnt happoen over night, but gradually. So u might get traits that might both beconsidered those of generation x and millinial in someone born in a more ambiguous time frame like 1979
The generational cut-off dates are rather interesting. Major events like the end of a war, assination of a president, resignation of a president and or the countries bi-centennial, the back to back recessions of 81 and 82, new millennium and terrorism. What makes these changes effect a generation is the way they effect the society in which the generation is born.
The front given off by gen-y can seem narcissistic, because of pop culture and such, but the ones who actually apply themselves exceed in such a way that when they enter the work force, they are more than well-prepared to tackle the largest obstacles. It's just that the general population of gen-y gives such a bad vibe off that it's applied almost as a stereotype to more qualified individuals.
I can sympathize with someone who spends 4+ years in college, and countless studying hours, being annoyed that when they show up to a job, they have to work as a grunt, running useless errands and such for the higher-ups, just so that 20 years later they get a shiny gold pen and a small raise.
Personal opinion here, just running it up the flagpole, seeing who salutes it (12 Angry Men, anyone?), but I don't think it's so much that our generation is narcissistic, I think it's more or less that those graduating from college and jumping into the work force are better educated than Gen-X was in the same position. With media surrounding us, and the internet being so easily accessibly, it's easier for us gen-y-ers to educate ourselves in areas of our interest that turn into our career paths.
I think the information environment within which younger people are raised undoubtedly affects their readiness for employment. Whether that makes Gen-Y, "better educated" than previous generations is another question. Thanks. (PS - 12 Angry Men is one great movie!)
that makes a lot of since. It would have been hard back durring the non internet era to find all the info that can be easily accessed now on the net through a card catalogue at a local library.
I think those individuals who do come into a workforce like a whirlwind, expecting to be whisked into upper management within a week ARE narcissistic, I truly do. Not necessarily to an extreme extent, and it's not necessarily a BAD thing. I'm just saying that we're sort of brought up as narcissists. As society gets richer, there is more attention being paid to the individual, and as such, people expect to be treated like the amazing person they've been taught that they are.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Yes, "narcissism" is a pathologizing word related to social trends that have changed our sense of self and our approach to child rearing.
Hey tom,Just found this video, i must be on of the odd ones out, I was born in 1986, i work for general electric, GE money.I started at the bottom Knowing this is were my carrer starts.I did start as a nobody, having a father in the corprate game he has educated me. *Narcisitistic* i can understand were that idea comes from and why the paper is saying that,i have been at my work place for allmost 3 years now only recently has my boss has asked me about ways to benifit what i do as a job.
SO what i am trying to say is that i just kept my head down and worked. and i waited untill it was my time/ if there ever was going to be a time were my boss would ask for my help.
The problem with stereotypes is the one you point out: individuals usually don't fit them. Glad to hear you've found an approach that's successful for you. GE's a great company and GE Money is headquartered right down the road from me!
I just stumbled into your video by random chance...looked around your channel. I think I'll subscribe. Interesting stuff. Look forward to viewing more of your videos.
You know what of course that happens. Your generation did the same things. Come on people, the hippies acid on sugar cubes. Disco... 80's coke.
The truth is without hard work, Good Work ethic, and always having a cool head (not getting into a uproar). U r not going to get paid. BTW born in 80 still have a my $150000 house sense 1999, of course pay morgage and I never went to college. So to me I don't know. I get paid and I am a foreman.
I think the lessons of maturity that you cite are very important. The issue is what it means to me a "grown up" has changed enormously in my lifetime...very different for my father than it will be for my grandsons. Thanks.
as someone born in 84 you couldn't be more correct. i grew up in the community of that generation. my generation is narcistic, materialistic, self centered and careless. it is worse than yours, i'm assuming the baby booming generation at least, which was a nightmare itself. your generation already changed society but i have nightmares of what my generation will bring to the table.
Well, I have more hope that people in your generation will see the needs and heed the call. Keep watching my videos for more on this subject. Thanks for the comment.
In England, my generation (born 1979) has been encouraged to get higher education. More of us have gone to uni than previous generations - and of course we expect more due to studying for so long, but the high powered jobs are not available.
Likewise the idea of gradually rising through the ranks is old hat. Companies rise and fall quickly in todays world - in the past you got a job and it was for life - this isnt the youth being unrealistic, it is the older generations trying to hold onto values that are quickly becoming defunct - unfortunately.
It seems the world has changed quite a bit since "the good ol' days". Nowadays there is such a diversity of opportunities that if people don't like corporate work they are free to work elsewhere. They could break all the rules and go off and found something like Google or YouTube. I suppose back then if a person behaved that way, they _would_ be narcissistic. But not today.
It's merely a realization of the increased power that you have. Those corporations which don't give their employees what they want will cease to be competitive, since if they don't like the conditions their work force will simply go elsewhere.
I couldn't agree more. Corporations will seriously harm themselves unless they realize that they will need to figure out how to use talented people who view the world in a 21st century way. thanks.
In your statement, it is what you have been indoctrinated with that suggests what you have said: "We earn the right to a point of view." This is a misperception, I think. We all have the right to a point of view, whether it is heard, respect or marginalized is completely up to society.
Yes, I was imprecise. What I meant was, "we earn the right to have our point of view that is taken seriously by people who know what we're talking about." Everyone has the right to a POV, as you say.
Work is archaic, draconian and structured largely by the interests of the capitalist, not by the interest of the worker who is rarely the owner of the facility in which he or she works.
Yup, ownership and interest part is how capitalism works. The draconian part is the archaic element, soon to be extinguished by a market that rewards the smart, nimble, innovator, imo. Thanks, and thanks for subscribing.
Yeah I agree with the description of draconian. It would be interesting if such an organization could be developed. The truth is that the market does not reward the smart, nimble innovator.
(The truth is that the market does not reward the smart, nimble innovator, always. The market also rewards the athlete, for instance. Anyone who is extreme, and marketable, such as in the case of celebrity. Sometimes complete ignoramuses gain power and are rewarded for some skill.)
Your definition of "smart" seems limited. Gardener's definitions of "five intelligences" is what I meant...We have many prejudices that we need to shed in the new world we find ourselves in.
That sort of meritocracy is something Bill Gates talked about. Google is probably a good example of its legacy, the continuation of meritocracy in other organizations. But, the majority of intellectuals and certainly the majority of non-intellectuals do not receive the benefit of meritocracy. In fact, it is only the privileged and those who achieve privilege within their lifetime have access to meritocracy at all.
We are narcissistic. The young are superficial. We are the instantaneous generation, we want immediate gratification. For those of us who are patient, we are disheartened by the number of 'security checkpoints' in work that make it impossible for us to be comfortable, and to work at the same time. Work is rarely merged with relaxation, but it can be and was more in ancient and pre-modern scholarship than in the present.
Escalating expectations and resources make the temptations of selfishness extraordinarily difficult to withstand. Started with metaphorical apples in a garden...
But isn't it true that parents have always viewed their children as "spoiled"? And isn't the "greater good" for a society by it's very definition the things that benefit it's members--as individuals? In my view, respect is only warranted where respect is due, not by some artificial measure such as age, title, income or executive power. Respect is earned, not appointed. (I was born in late 1979 BTW)
Yes, every generation finds faults in its successors. The gap between Millennials and Boomers in the workplace is a doozie, however! Amen to your respect criteria. Thanks.
LOL hello Tom! I was born in 1974 so thank heavens no labels apply to me whatsoever...(at least that is what I tell myself. Shhhh don't let me know otherwise)
i really am sure i commented on this already but... my comment was something like:
House prices have risen dramatically recently, there is no longer a "job for life" culture and the pressure is on to get on and get up the career ladder quick. Young people aren't always desperate for attention and money... just desperate :)
HAHAHAHA .. isn't he about 90 now? ..wait! don't answer that!! LOL
One of my newest Favorites is a simple, short clip of the old familiar 70's CBS Sunday Night Movie opening with the revolving film reels and music... ahh, Comfortvision! ..It's like Just Last Night in my mind!! =~{
I was born after 1975. The younger generation seem to be more ambitious, but you have to ask who rared this young generation? Certainly our generation sees more prospects for their future which gives them a sense of entitlement because such opportunities did not exist during their parents and grandparents time.
Yes, my generation raised our kids dramatically differently than we were raised and we're seeing the consequences of those differences today. On the whole, I'm impressed with the results. In my opinion, "entitlement" will fade with time as life's realities make their impact. Thanks.
As you might know I am born before 1975. And to be honest my actual opinion is, that young people have to learn A LOT before you can rely on them. Sorry all you youngsters out there but that is my experience. But i think it depends on the topic yyou are working on - innovation is very often brought into corporatione by young people
Well, I think you're right: there are lots of things that young people can't know because they're young. (What it's like to watch your hair turn gray, for example.) But in corporations there are many things they can bring to the table if given a chance. This is a huge opportunity if leaders know how to take advantage of it. Thanks, Rina!
Oddly, despite the fact that Google even supplied the entire city of Moutain View with free wireless internet coverage, some there don't seem to think they're good neighbors--more like a sovereign (sp?) republic within the city's borders, according to the article I saw. Could it be they're just as a group narcissistic and some don't like that despite what they bring to the table?
Yes i for one do not want to buy into that idea, start off as nothing, do what i am told, eat shit for years, then hopefully get higher on the latter. Like the military. I do not bite. I can not. I do not know why, i just do not like the idea.
tallhunter1-It is probably due to today's awareness of empowerment, teamwork and group potential; combined with a lack of any sense of job security. Imagine an intelligent young person performing like a robot for months or years then having the carpet pulled out from under them, often times not for the sake of profits of greater efficiencies, but in order to accomodate a merger or acquisition.
I'm not really looking forward (yet) to work for any corporation (large or small). That's basically why I have decided to keep studying graphic design for a couple more years. I do some freelance graphic design here and there, and I'm in to typedesign, which fortunately is a very solitary profession. I'm actually going for a MA in typedesign in about two years. :)
There are tons of jobs though :) . I would like to get a job doing level design(video games) which is what I do with some of my free time. My focus has been more towards video games as oppose to web design/development, but I have skills for both. If I did not want to get a job doing that, I would freelance rather than work for a corp.
No problem, mate, we'll see about getting you grandfathered in! Robbie Williams in one of the British phenomena that never really made it across the pond...
It's a pity about Robbie's failure Stateside. Taking the best songs from his first two UK releases (and declaring the disguarded tracks 'crap'!) he assembled his US debut, modestly titled, 'The Ego Has Landed'. If only the Americans could have bought into the joke!
(part 2 of 2) I can only guess that the reason for this sense of entitlement of this generation comes from college experience. More education is required these days. And in college we must be competitive and courageous to succeed; somehow we get the impression that we are should show confidence and ability right from the start, as opposed to humility and patience.
Thanks. Yes, the pattern holds regardless of the setting: teaching, corporations, even YouTube (!). Balance is the trick: wanting autonomy and independence, having confidence in oneself while still recognizing one's limitations. Sounds like a life's work, to me!
It is indeed something to work on throughout life.
I suspect that there were some articles written decades ago about your generation coming in like know-it-alls as well. And someday I will complain that back in my day products were of better quality, people respected their elders, etc. (not to undermine your point). :)
Oh yes, we broke ground in this know-it-all domain, for sure! There are definitely repeating patterns here. What seems different is the scale and scope of the change, all enabled by enormous technological innovation, which has made many more things possible today than were possible when I was 21.
(part 1) I was born in '77. I think what you described of my generation may apply to those entering in any type of work. I entered into teaching with the wrong attitude, as if I knew everything based on my little experience and education. With time, I have learned humility and gained respect in my field without having to pretend I deserve it.
At some point the older generation began to tell their kids you can do anything you want as long as you put you mind to it. I think they took it seriously. Ask a 50 year old about computers compared to most 20 year olds. This generation thinks and most likey is smarter than the olders, But lacks the dicipline moving up the latter generates.
Knowlege is more availible today and can be easly obtain quicker. This gives the illusion of a younger geration being smarter and better. Unfortantly what to do with the knowlege is what this generation lacks. They lack the wisdom to use it. Hopefully that will come before they destroy the world.
Well, this is an old story: young people understand modern things but don't have the context within which to use them. I think institutions built on old assumptions, like corporations, are in for a bumpy ride as nimble mammals attack them in their most vulnerable spots: speed, innovation, risk-taking. "Asymmetry" is the new black!
I couldn't do that when I was born, because we didn't have any satellites. Not one.
So while your question is not addressed to me, I will note that my generation's place in history is being the very model of antitraditional structures.
Also, I wonder if there's a factual basis for the increased sense of self-worth among young employees you report. After all, unemployment has been at historic lows for quite some time making workers more valuable. And, while experience still has value, the rate at which the skills of experienced workers become obsolete has greatly increased so experienced workers have less value than they used to.
Narcicists venerate authority, love rigid rules and hierarchies. Badges, medals, promotion ladders, etc.are all external goals they can achieve to hold as proof of their superiority.
If you wish to punish a narcisist, ignore him, he has no -self-esteem and is dependant on attention.
Most kids I know would say ' what is a turn?', or, if i said,' Define taking turns', they would maybe know what it is, but not why it is good to take turns. Actually , they said ' What's define?' : ) So it is cute for the teachers, but once they are grown it is even unsafe, like mixed language workers yelling 'hot' to each other in the kitchen. Time for repetitive spoken learning in a group.
Nadiallelel 8 months ago
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Nadiallelel 8 months ago
someone from the 1940s lookin at Gen X and Y would see little difference . I'm an Xer born in 72 and its a blessing to know how it feels to live in a more organic time before the videogame boom which ushered in the computer era. Gen Ys are not to blame for any of this. blame political correctness, technology, profits before humanity Etc. Xers struggled to be funtional parents, Ys struggle to be funtional adults. what will the children of Ys be like ? sounds like breaking point approaching
80sOGRE 10 months ago
Either shut up and retire, or learn how to turn a computer on.
TheKilak 1 year ago
Reading two of the top rated comments from Gen Y-ers tells me exactly why we're in the situation we're in, with a liberal in the white house pushing entitlement programs that will bankrupt this country. First, you have a 21 year old saying he and many of his friends would rather just be happy than worry about the complications of money, and then you have someone saying right off the bat that they can't find motivation in a job. Future unemployment sucklers paid for by you and me. God help us.
jmn120176 1 year ago
Corporate means sucking on dicks, not efficiency and productivity.
From a '77er
alleygh0st 1 year ago
i have lost more money than any of my friends that graduated could ever make, fortunes are created by visionarie dropouts, its those people that usually create jobs for trolls that like to stand in lines and follow rules, a sheep will never understand the wolf, if you cant take risks you will never reap big awards, fin
thisgame2 1 year ago
The main problem with working in a corporate environment is the corporate model. It's a hierarchy of conformity and social class. The executives are all silver spoon yuppies who had it all handed to them. The management are all wannabe yuppie sheep (shouldn't they be shepards?). The people who do the actual work get paid nothing and are treated like elementary school children. It may sound cynical but as you know cynicism is born from the hard truth.
AMagicalUsername 1 year ago
I was born in '84 I'm not sure what gen. that puts me in and I don't care. Personally I never really cared much for corporate America, not knocking that career path, it's just not for me. I wanna be able to do something with my life besides make some old guy a bunch of money. But regardless of what you get in to I think it's important to learn the rules and the ins and outs before you start trying to make improvements and humility and patience are something this country is sorely lacking.
kinduvabigdeal 1 year ago
3:10
Answer~One word: BULLSHIT!!!
I was born in 1990. I'm a Gen Y, but that does NOT mean I fit the stereotype! I never had a "real job" outside of working for my family, but I've been doing volunteer work for years. I'm not into the new stuff much, I care for and go out of my way to help other people (even strangers), I don't mind waiting my turn, I am eager to do any task you want me to, and I don't care for any rewards; no trophies, no praise, nada. Your smile is more than enough for me.
DemonFoxAkira 1 year ago
hi i am from india, 30yrs male, want to start a new business taking you tube as base for marketing... i dont have capital money but want to look at going out to all hotels in GOA-INDIA asking them to quote low price for me and sell the same on you tube... can you guide me....
amrishgloria 1 year ago
The corporate world means nothing to me. Neither does entitlement. I don't feel like I deserve anything. I just want to be able to make enough money to survive and not deal with people. There is no point to anything, and money means nothing other than the empty meaning our system places on it. Total apathy.
FONEternal 1 year ago 2
@FONEternal
I am the same, I only want to work to sustain myself. Greed destroys. Money isn't the key to happiness.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
I got out of corporate America after seeing how they really treat you when you spend 30 years with the company, hit 50 and then they would toss them under the bus.
IngloriusBastard11 1 year ago
I would say that the motto for the Boomers is "Nos vere don't tribuo a damno anymore" or "Virga vestri officium sursum vestri ass quoniam EGO sum questus ex hic"
IngloriusBastard11 1 year ago
well 1st off i know im not narcasistic and im sometimes impatient as far as finalcialy different i actually save my money not spend it in 1 day!
Criticismguy2009 1 year ago
Now with all my ripping on Gen Y'rs done, I think it is a travesty what a disaster our parents have left us to clean up. At no other point in history has a generation left such a monstrous load of debt and sheer garbage for their children to wade through; so on that note I can understand why people my age are pissed. We were left with a black hole of interest and debt.
sinnersavedbygrace7 2 years ago
@sinnersavedbygrace7
Not just that, we have to fix up their goddamn environmental mess as well. The create the problems and we are here to pick up the pieces and fix everything.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
I am 26...my boss asks if I would like to do something. It is my job to want to do what he asks. Work eight hours for eight hours of pay. Show up on time. Be respectful. Do not make excuses. Put family first. Save for the things you want. Have emergency funds. SAVE preferrably in a lasting commodity in gold, silver, or agricultural ETFs (Dollars lose too much value). Work as though Christ is your boss because he has placed those in authority over you. Come on Gen Me; it's time to man up
sinnersavedbygrace7 2 years ago
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warchildgkdd24 2 years ago
We are ambitious however, and i hope my last post didn't make us sound like a bunch of manic depressants. We want to be happy and we will do whatever we fill is needed to accomplish this happiness. Because of this, i think a lot of us will only go into the corporate world as a last resort b/c we've grown up watching our parents bow down to their corporations and we don't want to do that.
ckself 2 years ago
Forgive me if I read a little bit to much into what you said, "We want to be happy and we will do whatever we fill is needed to accomplish this happiness." Does this include taking that happiness from another who has earned it simply because you think it should be rightfully yours? Of course you'd never admit to that but we will see how good ppl are when this economy comes crashing down and food suddenly is in short supply. Would the ME generation rob my family because I was wise and prepared?
sinnersavedbygrace7 2 years ago
haha, oops i meant to say 'planes' in my first paragraph not 'plains'
ckself 2 years ago
Honestly I think many of these studies are done by Boomers and older X'ers who simply do not understand our generation. Also, if we're so narcissistic, explain to me the growing number of teen and young adult suicides or the whole 'emo' music movement. Looking at my generation through my eyes i see a bunch of cynics and skeptics who grew up in a world were kids are shot in there own classrooms, plains are flown into buildings, and echo systems are dying.
ckself 2 years ago
Suicide is a direct product of narcissism; or another word would be pride. Pride=obession with self, and many times people who are suicidal are constantly thinking about themselves in how depressed/lonely/outcast they are. If they weren't so introspective and focus their attention outside they would not be so 'down' on themselves. I was born in 1983 btw so TECHNICALLY I am part of this horrible generation but my parents raised me right.
sinnersavedbygrace7 2 years ago
@sinnersavedbygrace7
You fucking moron, suicide is not the direct product of narcissism. If you were a psychologist, i'd have you sacked from your job. Suicide is the direct product of being unable to cope anymore, and I have been pretty close to that edge, but not close enough to actually end my life. I know others that were as well, and luckily, they aren't dead either. You pathetic mess.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
I researched this allegation of narcissism. The actual research shows that Gen Y is not narcissistic. It's just that the Boomer parents have projected its own narcissism on to their own children. Having grown up with this label, many GenYs have accepted it as true. If you want intelligent analysis about generations, check out Strauss and Howe.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
@MarmaladeINFP "The actual research shows that Gen Y is not narcissistic."
wtf... I've never seen anyone as narcissistic
u5chi1 2 years ago
I'm not talking about the perceptions of whether people see anyone as narcissistic. I'm talking about scientific definitions of narcissism and scientific research about narcissism.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
i was born in 89. I feel the my generation hates the whole waiting your turn notion because many of our parents are boomers who after working at a company for many decades gets laid off. Seeing our parents slave for a coporation just to be fucked over in the end showed us that being slaves to debt and job is no way to live. Many people my age feel its more important to be happy than to be rich.
durdy37 2 years ago 8
I'm 29. What I hate about this current generation of 20 somethings in the workplace is the arrogance and cliques. It seems like people care more about the petty things (aka trying to impress each other) than about teamwork. It also feels like there is a lot of bullying going on and people are too lazy to do anything about it.
foolsgoldsoma 2 years ago 2
yeah, they said the same thing about the ex-hippies in the 80s.
foolsgoldsoma 2 years ago
Oh, crap--what if you were born ON 1975? Am I screwed?
nyrstein 2 years ago
As a 14 year old, Millenial/Gen Y I find the term Narcacistic a good describing word of me and my generation, I would say... hmm not sure what I would say! I have always had everything I wanted, my mum is a gen X, and my dad a baby boomer, Im used to having everything at the click of a mouse I have a short attention span and as a child of Gen x and baby boomer, I feel as if i understand the difference better than most. How is it my fault I want everything its the way I was brought up.
-Gen Yr
mickeymoo26 3 years ago
As a Y Gen, I find that it can be difficult to find motivation in a job. I'll be entering college this coming year and I strive to make myself better. However, I don't want to be stuck at a joyless job like my parents. Don't get me wrong. I would be grateful to have a job in this day and age. Money's pretty tight now. I just don't want to be working like a drone without having completed anything, just living to work, you know?
Inutenma 3 years ago 6
i woudenlt like those rules count down to characters is 444 440 436 432...426
pierce284 3 years ago
Well I am a 40 year old Gen X'er and I am still treated like a Wipper-snapper at work.
Word from the wise, if you are in an office and the copier jams, let someone else fix it, once you get pegged as the guy who can fix the copier, your credibility plummets. :)
Acutally, I think I live a pretty modest life, I probably have more in common with the WW2 Generation than the Boomers whoes motto is "Apre mois, Le Deluge!"
ccarmean1968 3 years ago 5
Oh, hey, that's a great comment! I feel like I know you well. You guys hold the whole frakkin' thing together, doin' what has to be done in so many of these ill-designed organizations. Louis XV gave us the line, and we ran with it! Thanks for stoppin' by.
tlg847 3 years ago
Gen X here. I think Gen X did the boomers a bit of a disservice in not fighting stronger to get them to resist navel-gazing. There weren't enough of us to refocus things (as the boomers did during their youth), and we were left having to pander to boomer values/needs/desires (in the corporate world). The working Xer needed to learn to communicate with boomers on their turf. Now boomers are faced with their own children, who are numerous enough to wake the boomers up. Like father like son!
skippyboi 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
We have been told all of our lives how special we are and how wonderful we are, and we were told that by Gen. X, so now that we all belive it, you all have to deal with it. And I do feel like I deserve an incredible career. I have an amazing education, and I am more productive than Gen X. This is life so all you old folks are just going to have to deal with it. I would also suggest changing your attitudes because we are the future. Jeans, massages, naps, bowling, all at work, welcome to 2008.
malliegb 3 years ago
First off, I'm a Boomer. Second, we've all been the future, so don't let it go to your head! If you're lucky enough to get old, you'll know what I mean. Third, I'd put my amazing education up against any I've seen in the forty years since I graduated from college. I think the changes your generation is bringing to the workplace are great. What's very important is not to confuse style with substance, something that's very easy for young people to do in our fashion-obsessed culture. Thanks!
tlg847 3 years ago
I think Gen X are actually not very fond of Gen Y, Gen X is tougher and often see you as pansies... also as more style-conscious than career-conscious, so I doubt you are - substantially - more productive... Furthermore, Gen X isn't old, if they are, then you are infantile
u5chi1 2 years ago 2
If there's blame to go around, it's the boomers, because boomers showed their kids that committment to relationships mean nothing (boomers' divorce rate is an atrocity). Boomers also bought into the goofy notion that any discipline is a form of child abuse. Couple this with spoiling their kids rotten and treating them as objects makes for a perfect recipe for narcissism. Technology just added the icing on the cake. "Spoiled brat" is a nickname boomers forgot and it's come home to roost.
simoncowellscores 3 years ago
From Wikipedia (causes of narcissism): * An oversensitive temperament at birth * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents * Severe emotional abuse in childhood * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults * Learning manipulative behaviors from parents
simoncowellscores 3 years ago
...this generation's like robots,programmed subliminally through the music(ipod the whole day),the tv,the media, THE SCHOOL, etc. The actual generation's designed 2 consume,2 earn in order to spent (in that circle),2 live a chillingly,2 live the NOW and the HERE w/o caring of consequences believing that once dead all is done, and that as the only sure thing's dead they must live their life w/o regreting of anything,just 2 live 4 pleasure til that apparently unavoidable act called death happen.
aalzamora 3 years ago
... with the only finality to control every living being. OF COURSE, that is possible if the watchers (family) do not open their eyes and take care what this generation kids are being programmed into, and make the balance to incline towards what is really positive.
aalzamora 3 years ago
The actual generation is nothing more than a product of a power that works behind and above the governors of the nations. The actual generation is nothing more than puppets, products, tools for a dark power to take control on the whole world. The actual generation is designed to make future generations to be slave or also simply products. It is designed to make those weak in the old generations to envy the way they live and enter into the model of auto-destruction they've being designed 2 b...
aalzamora 3 years ago
People look at the worlds current repugnant state and point the finger at the youth. However, realistically, it would be the previous generations which brought us to where we are. The young people are the only hope of making something better for the future. The problem is, we all have different ideas of what type of change could be positive. Im 20 years old, and I personally despise the idea of conforming to the traditional "American Dream".
XSxarfaceX 3 years ago
tlg847, you are smart for opening up dialog instead of generalizing. i work with both brilliant, hard-working gen y'ers AND with lazy entitled ones. i learn a lot from both groups. i'm enjoying the responses here. and, i'm very curious about which group will come out on top.
karlsie 3 years ago
funny thing is that we are in an economic depression, the american stock market is lower than it was during the great depression and the value of the dollar is at an all time low. In a december 2007 press conference televised on CNN the UN declared intent to institute food rationing world wide as a means to save the dollar from completely crashing. It has already happened and the youth has evolved to rise above it. I was born in 1985, I am US Army Infantry. And a bussiness student
rtarrent 3 years ago
what is the article? and who wrote it? and how qualified are they to be age-ist, and full of blanket statements?!?
Are you only talking about americans? I'm really not sure how relevant this is and how it is going to solve any problems you seem to be having with your young work force.
claireguerin 4 years ago
i was born in 1989 and the fact that i drop out school and that now i am my Workforce xD Hahahaha can talk about that...i run my own bussiness....ain't that much but it will get bigger. I was never eager to make choices or anything...i just found myself doing so. Maybe people who hate rules or try to make themselves so obvious for the landscape to see them is because they feel the need to be watched...it's not something about being useful or rebelious or anything.
thehornypuppy 4 years ago
Thanks. Good observations. Good luck with your business!
tlg847 4 years ago
If people need experience before they can make decisions that affect other people or the the income of the company in a major way then they should wait for experience and do what their employment entails.
MatthewMitch23051992 4 years ago
I am only 15 but my opinion on this subject is that the only reason this generation wants more responsibility is the new micro-wave, TV attitude that they have been brought up with. Most young people find it difficult to wait for things.
MatthewMitch23051992 4 years ago
The way we experience time is a generation- and culture-defining element. As I've gotten older I've come to appreciate the differences between things that happen fast and things that happen slow. Old Zen saying: "if something is boring for 10 minutes, do it for 20." Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
I agree. People my age, i was born in 1977, have more want things fast and now. For things to take time, we consider it unvaluable and not worth spending time on
lasher707 4 years ago
Sorry I missed this. Yes, that attitude is understandable, yet some things can only happen in their own time. Plant a seed. No matter how hard you push it, water it, watch it, it'll only grow in its own time.
tlg847 4 years ago
I was born in 1972 and I completely agree with you. People around my age and younger are like that... and I use my personal observations. When my boss is hiring a new guy that is 25 or younger, I groan... an acquired prejudice of mine. I could give hundreds of examples of how accurate you are on this.
That80sGuy1972 4 years ago
I was born in 1976, and I think it is common for older generations to complain about the newer ones, so I give this "theory" very little merit. I find it funny how a generation that lived through the civil rights movement is still lumping people into little categories. Have people who were born before 1975 still not learned their lesson? Shame on you for this. What great mentors we have.
gonzagirl 4 years ago
" I find it funny how a generation that lived through the civil rights movement is still lumping people into little categories. Have people who were born before 1975 still not learned their lesson? "
Born before 75 = "lived through the civil rights movement" ?
lol
u5chi1 2 years ago
keep on doing ur thing ... ur like a sage.
themindfuck 4 years ago
entitled? narcissistic? that's me but in a pleasant way! I turn myself on.
themindfuck 4 years ago
That's really refreshing! Keep on doin' what you're doin'. Thanks, and thanks for the sub.
tlg847 4 years ago
Kudos for honesty!
That80sGuy1972 4 years ago
Being born in 1973, I worked my butt off taking crap for over 16 years right out of high school! Not only in the last couple of years did I finaly have a job some would say is cush! Then again, I ask, isn't any job in government cush even at it's hardest? I always knew people would need water! Now my all my hope is in youtube being im a new partner!
(...ummm who is tammpon?)
(...I'm not sure, but im sure we better block'em)
PeaceouTy!
TAMMpON
tammpon 4 years ago
Well, I was born in early 85. I think that article may only fit a certain group of people. I don't see myself fitting in that group of people. I enjoy working, and I just hate sitting around doing nothing all day. I was raised in the midwest, and every summer I enjoyed going to my grandparents doing work on the farm. As for now, I own my own business.
sugateddy 4 years ago
I think the opportunities that exist today for people like yourself are what gives your generation hope. The idea of owning a business at your age was very remote for my generation. For yours, it's the goal that many strive for. I think that's terrific. Thanks for the comment.
tlg847 4 years ago
Those born in 1975 are within Generation X my friend., not the next generation who has to be taught by employers to use a knife, fork, and spoon. Gen Y's would be born after 1980 at the earliest.
AmbientMusic 4 years ago
I've seen lots of different cut off dates for the different generational designations. Five years one way or the other, I think the issue is an interesting one. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
I agree. The cut off dates are ambiguous, but so is how to define a Generation so and so. You see quite a bit of overlap. I'm an Xer with parents were born well before the Boomer cut off...I always thought another Great Depression was coming looming around the corner. Lol! Peace
AmbientMusic 4 years ago
Its not a cut and dry thing.. iIt goes off of demographics and trends. Probably certain trends that are indicitive of being specifically millenial didnt happoen over night, but gradually. So u might get traits that might both beconsidered those of generation x and millinial in someone born in a more ambiguous time frame like 1979
pisscunt 4 years ago
Good point pisscunt. My daughter was born in 89, and she is just like that, a little X, a little Y, but nearly as incorrigible as the M's.
AmbientMusic 4 years ago
The generational cut-off dates are rather interesting. Major events like the end of a war, assination of a president, resignation of a president and or the countries bi-centennial, the back to back recessions of 81 and 82, new millennium and terrorism. What makes these changes effect a generation is the way they effect the society in which the generation is born.
tooomp 4 years ago
The front given off by gen-y can seem narcissistic, because of pop culture and such, but the ones who actually apply themselves exceed in such a way that when they enter the work force, they are more than well-prepared to tackle the largest obstacles. It's just that the general population of gen-y gives such a bad vibe off that it's applied almost as a stereotype to more qualified individuals.
tastethelink 4 years ago
I can sympathize with someone who spends 4+ years in college, and countless studying hours, being annoyed that when they show up to a job, they have to work as a grunt, running useless errands and such for the higher-ups, just so that 20 years later they get a shiny gold pen and a small raise.
tastethelink 4 years ago 4
Personal opinion here, just running it up the flagpole, seeing who salutes it (12 Angry Men, anyone?), but I don't think it's so much that our generation is narcissistic, I think it's more or less that those graduating from college and jumping into the work force are better educated than Gen-X was in the same position. With media surrounding us, and the internet being so easily accessibly, it's easier for us gen-y-ers to educate ourselves in areas of our interest that turn into our career paths.
tastethelink 4 years ago
I think the information environment within which younger people are raised undoubtedly affects their readiness for employment. Whether that makes Gen-Y, "better educated" than previous generations is another question. Thanks. (PS - 12 Angry Men is one great movie!)
tlg847 4 years ago
that makes a lot of since. It would have been hard back durring the non internet era to find all the info that can be easily accessed now on the net through a card catalogue at a local library.
pisscunt 4 years ago
I think those individuals who do come into a workforce like a whirlwind, expecting to be whisked into upper management within a week ARE narcissistic, I truly do. Not necessarily to an extreme extent, and it's not necessarily a BAD thing. I'm just saying that we're sort of brought up as narcissists. As society gets richer, there is more attention being paid to the individual, and as such, people expect to be treated like the amazing person they've been taught that they are.
Magnulus 4 years ago 2
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Yes, "narcissism" is a pathologizing word related to social trends that have changed our sense of self and our approach to child rearing.
tlg847 4 years ago
Hey tom,Just found this video, i must be on of the odd ones out, I was born in 1986, i work for general electric, GE money.I started at the bottom Knowing this is were my carrer starts.I did start as a nobody, having a father in the corprate game he has educated me. *Narcisitistic* i can understand were that idea comes from and why the paper is saying that,i have been at my work place for allmost 3 years now only recently has my boss has asked me about ways to benifit what i do as a job.
spadastunter 4 years ago
SO what i am trying to say is that i just kept my head down and worked. and i waited untill it was my time/ if there ever was going to be a time were my boss would ask for my help.
spadastunter 4 years ago
The problem with stereotypes is the one you point out: individuals usually don't fit them. Glad to hear you've found an approach that's successful for you. GE's a great company and GE Money is headquartered right down the road from me!
tlg847 4 years ago
nice, once im a bit more fiancially setup i would like to travel through GE, so go travel the world and work at the same time
spadastunter 4 years ago
I just stumbled into your video by random chance...looked around your channel. I think I'll subscribe. Interesting stuff. Look forward to viewing more of your videos.
Vincent364 4 years ago
Thanks, Vincent. Look forward to hearing your thoughts in the future.
tlg847 4 years ago
LOL "I own the company, so I am the ultimate company man." hahaha
U the Man. Ya I guess u can make You Tubes videos.
THEUTUBEHATER 4 years ago
Thanks...and thanks for the subscription.
tlg847 4 years ago
Look Left Side. There it is a hollow metalframe.
THEUTUBEHATER 4 years ago
And please, no disrespect. You are making youtube video at your office. I see that hollow metalframe in the background. HAHA
You are in a commerical building=you are at WORK. Can't say that you are a "company man". ha
THEUTUBEHATER 4 years ago
You are correct. I am making this video at my office. Which is in my home. I own the company, so I am the ultimate company man. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
You know what of course that happens. Your generation did the same things. Come on people, the hippies acid on sugar cubes. Disco... 80's coke.
The truth is without hard work, Good Work ethic, and always having a cool head (not getting into a uproar). U r not going to get paid. BTW born in 80 still have a my $150000 house sense 1999, of course pay morgage and I never went to college. So to me I don't know. I get paid and I am a foreman.
IT IS ALL ABOUT BEING A GROW UP!
THEUTUBEHATER 4 years ago
I think the lessons of maturity that you cite are very important. The issue is what it means to me a "grown up" has changed enormously in my lifetime...very different for my father than it will be for my grandsons. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
as someone born in 84 you couldn't be more correct. i grew up in the community of that generation. my generation is narcistic, materialistic, self centered and careless. it is worse than yours, i'm assuming the baby booming generation at least, which was a nightmare itself. your generation already changed society but i have nightmares of what my generation will bring to the table.
gajda1984 4 years ago
Well, I have more hope that people in your generation will see the needs and heed the call. Keep watching my videos for more on this subject. Thanks for the comment.
tlg847 4 years ago
In England, my generation (born 1979) has been encouraged to get higher education. More of us have gone to uni than previous generations - and of course we expect more due to studying for so long, but the high powered jobs are not available.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Likewise the idea of gradually rising through the ranks is old hat. Companies rise and fall quickly in todays world - in the past you got a job and it was for life - this isnt the youth being unrealistic, it is the older generations trying to hold onto values that are quickly becoming defunct - unfortunately.
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Anyway im no economist, but thats how I see things.. im open to persuasion.. ;)
TawntheAtheist 4 years ago
Very thoughtful comments. No argument from me on any of it. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
It seems the world has changed quite a bit since "the good ol' days". Nowadays there is such a diversity of opportunities that if people don't like corporate work they are free to work elsewhere. They could break all the rules and go off and found something like Google or YouTube. I suppose back then if a person behaved that way, they _would_ be narcissistic. But not today.
TheMathGuy 4 years ago
It's merely a realization of the increased power that you have. Those corporations which don't give their employees what they want will cease to be competitive, since if they don't like the conditions their work force will simply go elsewhere.
TheMathGuy 4 years ago
I couldn't agree more. Corporations will seriously harm themselves unless they realize that they will need to figure out how to use talented people who view the world in a 21st century way. thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
In your statement, it is what you have been indoctrinated with that suggests what you have said: "We earn the right to a point of view." This is a misperception, I think. We all have the right to a point of view, whether it is heard, respect or marginalized is completely up to society.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
Yes, I was imprecise. What I meant was, "we earn the right to have our point of view that is taken seriously by people who know what we're talking about." Everyone has the right to a POV, as you say.
tlg847 4 years ago
(Comment, Part ii)
Work is archaic, draconian and structured largely by the interests of the capitalist, not by the interest of the worker who is rarely the owner of the facility in which he or she works.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
Yup, ownership and interest part is how capitalism works. The draconian part is the archaic element, soon to be extinguished by a market that rewards the smart, nimble, innovator, imo. Thanks, and thanks for subscribing.
tlg847 4 years ago
Yeah I agree with the description of draconian. It would be interesting if such an organization could be developed. The truth is that the market does not reward the smart, nimble innovator.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
Have you read Christiansen's book, The Innovator's Dilemma? If not, you might find it interesting.
tlg847 4 years ago
(The truth is that the market does not reward the smart, nimble innovator, always. The market also rewards the athlete, for instance. Anyone who is extreme, and marketable, such as in the case of celebrity. Sometimes complete ignoramuses gain power and are rewarded for some skill.)
MadM3rv 4 years ago
Your definition of "smart" seems limited. Gardener's definitions of "five intelligences" is what I meant...We have many prejudices that we need to shed in the new world we find ourselves in.
tlg847 4 years ago
That sort of meritocracy is something Bill Gates talked about. Google is probably a good example of its legacy, the continuation of meritocracy in other organizations. But, the majority of intellectuals and certainly the majority of non-intellectuals do not receive the benefit of meritocracy. In fact, it is only the privileged and those who achieve privilege within their lifetime have access to meritocracy at all.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
Even within meritocracy the scarcity of resource makes it impossible to bestow all deserving individuals with meritorious reward.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
We are narcissistic. The young are superficial. We are the instantaneous generation, we want immediate gratification. For those of us who are patient, we are disheartened by the number of 'security checkpoints' in work that make it impossible for us to be comfortable, and to work at the same time. Work is rarely merged with relaxation, but it can be and was more in ancient and pre-modern scholarship than in the present.
MadM3rv 4 years ago
I think our society has become so spoiled!
There seems no cohesiveness, no working together for a greater good, so little respect! And it's I-ME-MY! In or OUT of companies!
A perfect example, altho' a bit adrift from set topic:
Take a look at the difference between OUR "Deal or No Deal", tv game show, and the UK's version~ The glaring comparisons are, to me, embarrassing!
BUT then, I'm born waay before '75, so I may not have the proper perpective here~ :-?
tubeeorrnottubee 4 years ago
Escalating expectations and resources make the temptations of selfishness extraordinarily difficult to withstand. Started with metaphorical apples in a garden...
tlg847 4 years ago
But isn't it true that parents have always viewed their children as "spoiled"? And isn't the "greater good" for a society by it's very definition the things that benefit it's members--as individuals? In my view, respect is only warranted where respect is due, not by some artificial measure such as age, title, income or executive power. Respect is earned, not appointed. (I was born in late 1979 BTW)
TheMathGuy 4 years ago
Yes, every generation finds faults in its successors. The gap between Millennials and Boomers in the workplace is a doozie, however! Amen to your respect criteria. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
I see this conflict as a good thing. But I don't need to explain myself to other people. :D
Capslock17 4 years ago
LOL hello Tom! I was born in 1974 so thank heavens no labels apply to me whatsoever...(at least that is what I tell myself. Shhhh don't let me know otherwise)
Sarry
sarrycrey 4 years ago
As Yoda might say:
"Label-less you are,
sarrycrey."
Thanks for stoppin' by...
tlg847 4 years ago
Stoppin by, I will be...
ur welky :)
sarrycrey 4 years ago
i really am sure i commented on this already but... my comment was something like:
House prices have risen dramatically recently, there is no longer a "job for life" culture and the pressure is on to get on and get up the career ladder quick. Young people aren't always desperate for attention and money... just desperate :)
crex81 4 years ago
im born in 1990, k
ahardy5891 4 years ago
I remember the year like it was yesterday! Wait until you have THAT experience. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
I just came upon the shocking realisation that "Rain Man" was made almost TWENTY YEEEARS AGO!!! My HEART almost STOPPED! HAHAHAHA XD
tubeeorrnottubee 4 years ago
Almost time for Wapner!
tlg847 4 years ago
HAHAHAHA .. isn't he about 90 now? ..wait! don't answer that!! LOL
One of my newest Favorites is a simple, short clip of the old familiar 70's CBS Sunday Night Movie opening with the revolving film reels and music... ahh, Comfortvision! ..It's like Just Last Night in my mind!! =~{
tubeeorrnottubee 4 years ago
Tempus fugit...which, loosely translated is, "time makes me forget" or, some such thing!
8^)
tlg847 4 years ago
I was born after 1975. The younger generation seem to be more ambitious, but you have to ask who rared this young generation? Certainly our generation sees more prospects for their future which gives them a sense of entitlement because such opportunities did not exist during their parents and grandparents time.
LACK78 4 years ago
Yes, my generation raised our kids dramatically differently than we were raised and we're seeing the consequences of those differences today. On the whole, I'm impressed with the results. In my opinion, "entitlement" will fade with time as life's realities make their impact. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
As you might know I am born before 1975. And to be honest my actual opinion is, that young people have to learn A LOT before you can rely on them. Sorry all you youngsters out there but that is my experience. But i think it depends on the topic yyou are working on - innovation is very often brought into corporatione by young people
mixedpixel 4 years ago
Well, I think you're right: there are lots of things that young people can't know because they're young. (What it's like to watch your hair turn gray, for example.) But in corporations there are many things they can bring to the table if given a chance. This is a huge opportunity if leaders know how to take advantage of it. Thanks, Rina!
tlg847 4 years ago
They really seem to know what they're doing and their business shows what happens when you do. Thanks.
tlg847 4 years ago
Oddly, despite the fact that Google even supplied the entire city of Moutain View with free wireless internet coverage, some there don't seem to think they're good neighbors--more like a sovereign (sp?) republic within the city's borders, according to the article I saw. Could it be they're just as a group narcissistic and some don't like that despite what they bring to the table?
DigitalFrontiers 4 years ago
Yes i for one do not want to buy into that idea, start off as nothing, do what i am told, eat shit for years, then hopefully get higher on the latter. Like the military. I do not bite. I can not. I do not know why, i just do not like the idea.
tallhunter1 4 years ago
Yeah, described that way, it's hard to understand why anybody would!
tlg847 4 years ago
tallhunter1-It is probably due to today's awareness of empowerment, teamwork and group potential; combined with a lack of any sense of job security. Imagine an intelligent young person performing like a robot for months or years then having the carpet pulled out from under them, often times not for the sake of profits of greater efficiencies, but in order to accomodate a merger or acquisition.
tooomp 4 years ago
that sounds about right tooomp
tallhunter1 4 years ago
aye
TheGreatestGreatApe 4 years ago
I'm not really looking forward (yet) to work for any corporation (large or small). That's basically why I have decided to keep studying graphic design for a couple more years. I do some freelance graphic design here and there, and I'm in to typedesign, which fortunately is a very solitary profession. I'm actually going for a MA in typedesign in about two years. :)
wrongwayup 4 years ago
Freelancing is good stuff. I also do graphic design :) .
TheGreatestGreatApe 4 years ago
Great ape sent me with his video, so i subscribed.
tallhunter1 4 years ago
Thanks for the sub!
tlg847 4 years ago
Pretty hot field, isn't it? Thanks for sending tallhunter1 over here.
tlg847 4 years ago
Fortunately, graphic design is the kind of field that allows you a great deal of flexibility. Good luck with your studies.
tlg847 4 years ago
Lots of things you can do :) .
TheGreatestGreatApe 4 years ago
Yes, the level of flexibility is great. However, it's also a tough field with a lot of competition. But that keeps you focussed.
Thanks. :)
wrongwayup 4 years ago
I'm competitive so it's a bonus to me. I stagnate with no competition.
TheGreatestGreatApe 4 years ago
There are tons of jobs though :) . I would like to get a job doing level design(video games) which is what I do with some of my free time. My focus has been more towards video games as oppose to web design/development, but I have skills for both. If I did not want to get a job doing that, I would freelance rather than work for a corp.
TheGreatestGreatApe 4 years ago
Video games ? Och nay... what a load of crap
u5chi1 2 years ago
i was 'born '74, there's only one of me, singlehandedly raising the economy, ain't no chance of the record company dropping me'!
the words of british pop icon robbie williams, born, like me, a year outside your age group but displaying enough narcissism for the both of us!
talk74 4 years ago
No problem, mate, we'll see about getting you grandfathered in! Robbie Williams in one of the British phenomena that never really made it across the pond...
tlg847 4 years ago
cheers!
It's a pity about Robbie's failure Stateside. Taking the best songs from his first two UK releases (and declaring the disguarded tracks 'crap'!) he assembled his US debut, modestly titled, 'The Ego Has Landed'. If only the Americans could have bought into the joke!
talk74 4 years ago
Too demanding for us, I'm afraid!
tlg847 4 years ago
(part 2 of 2) I can only guess that the reason for this sense of entitlement of this generation comes from college experience. More education is required these days. And in college we must be competitive and courageous to succeed; somehow we get the impression that we are should show confidence and ability right from the start, as opposed to humility and patience.
PragueVlogg 4 years ago
Thanks. Yes, the pattern holds regardless of the setting: teaching, corporations, even YouTube (!). Balance is the trick: wanting autonomy and independence, having confidence in oneself while still recognizing one's limitations. Sounds like a life's work, to me!
tlg847 4 years ago
It is indeed something to work on throughout life.
I suspect that there were some articles written decades ago about your generation coming in like know-it-alls as well. And someday I will complain that back in my day products were of better quality, people respected their elders, etc. (not to undermine your point). :)
PragueVlogg 4 years ago
Oh yes, we broke ground in this know-it-all domain, for sure! There are definitely repeating patterns here. What seems different is the scale and scope of the change, all enabled by enormous technological innovation, which has made many more things possible today than were possible when I was 21.
tlg847 4 years ago
(part 1) I was born in '77. I think what you described of my generation may apply to those entering in any type of work. I entered into teaching with the wrong attitude, as if I knew everything based on my little experience and education. With time, I have learned humility and gained respect in my field without having to pretend I deserve it.
PragueVlogg 4 years ago
At some point the older generation began to tell their kids you can do anything you want as long as you put you mind to it. I think they took it seriously. Ask a 50 year old about computers compared to most 20 year olds. This generation thinks and most likey is smarter than the olders, But lacks the dicipline moving up the latter generates.
vmanvand 4 years ago 3
Knowlege is more availible today and can be easly obtain quicker. This gives the illusion of a younger geration being smarter and better. Unfortantly what to do with the knowlege is what this generation lacks. They lack the wisdom to use it. Hopefully that will come before they destroy the world.
vmanvand 4 years ago
Well, this is an old story: young people understand modern things but don't have the context within which to use them. I think institutions built on old assumptions, like corporations, are in for a bumpy ride as nimble mammals attack them in their most vulnerable spots: speed, innovation, risk-taking. "Asymmetry" is the new black!
tlg847 4 years ago
If been watching a live satellite on the news.
I couldn't do that when I was born, because we didn't have any satellites. Not one.
So while your question is not addressed to me, I will note that my generation's place in history is being the very model of antitraditional structures.
The more things change . . .
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 4 years ago
All true. Difference: we weren't raised by people who had been the very model of antitraditional structures, aka, "the mirrors."
tlg847 4 years ago
Isn't narcissism a personality disorder?
Also, I wonder if there's a factual basis for the increased sense of self-worth among young employees you report. After all, unemployment has been at historic lows for quite some time making workers more valuable. And, while experience still has value, the rate at which the skills of experienced workers become obsolete has greatly increased so experienced workers have less value than they used to.
Thx 4 uploading another interesting video :-)
LiberalViewer 4 years ago
"Isn't narcissism a personality disorder?"
Yes, and one which generally does very well in the corporate environment. That's why there are so many assholes there.
A narcisist is not inwardly oriented. He takes his sense of self from outside. Narcicus fell in love not with himself, but with his -reflection.-
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 4 years ago
Narcicists venerate authority, love rigid rules and hierarchies. Badges, medals, promotion ladders, etc.are all external goals they can achieve to hold as proof of their superiority.
If you wish to punish a narcisist, ignore him, he has no -self-esteem and is dependant on attention.
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 4 years ago
Without a mirror Narcisus cannot see himself.
Think about it.
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 4 years ago
I was born in 93... actually my bday is on the 9th ^_^
and I'm impatient so If I did go into a "corporate work force" I would definitely want to move up faster...
KGSGoFreak 4 years ago
I am intellectually narcissistic and I am not sure how I feel about that. Generally, I am against all forms of narcissism and unchecked ego.
Festerius2008 4 years ago
There's narcissism (which most people are on some scale) and narcissistic personality disorder, two different things
u5chi1 2 years ago
I think I need to answer you in a PM because it could be book and then the "haters" will come out.
peglol 4 years ago
Feel free to answer in a PM.
tlg847 4 years ago