Big Story: OpenBSD 4.4 Released

[theif519]

How do you install Firefox? Does it use the apt-get or aptitude command? What do I use?

[glowcode]

@theif519 oh man... you're really not ready for bsd.

[theif519]

@glowcode What do I do? What command do I use? What do?

[glowcode]

@theif519 the bsd systems use 'ports' to install packages, and while root, type 'pkg_add -r' and the name of the package after that. Take a look at the freebsd documentation on their website, it should be helpful, and most everything should be compatible from the bsd's.

[cdburgess75]

installer has not changed in 10 plus years, and i love it!

[jimdeebassist]

OpenBSD is a kick ass OS for a firewall...pf is included in the kernel, all you have to do is enable it. I have a spare box with Open BSD as a firewall and let me tell you, it kicks ass. Everything you need from a DNS forwarding server to a DHCP server, to a pf firewall, OpenBSD is the shit. With FreeBSD, I had to compile a custom kernel with pf enabled (I'm an old fart) whereas Open BSD had everything included. What a great OS.

[TheSigmaMMX]

@hrbear: Good Point...

[TheSigmaMMX]

@Yerzriknot: You are of course not serious when you say it is a overkill..? Please teach me why is OpenBSD overkill? Please do not tell me your experience with PC architecture, try something like OpenBSD/Sparc64 or VAX then Raid levels higher than 0 and 1 yea, i thought so... Nothing about OpenBSD is a overkill.. However, it is so far best in security by default, but that gets lost slowly as you start doing some extreme networking.

[Yerzriknot]

IMO OpenBSD is overkill unless you're running a server that you know will be a juicy target for crackers (government, financial ect).

[deboyfresh86]

Freebsd will always be my favorite.. But u cant go wrong with any bsd.. however if you are using it strictly as a desktop machine bsd may not be a wise choice unless of course u just want to 31337 ;) If you want to run a web email or file server and not pay for a dedicated server then this is when bsd in my opinion is better then linux. If you are going to run a gui then you might want to use linux how ever you can setup freebsd to run just as good if not a better gui then linux

[hrbear]

Exactly. This is an OS specialised much in networking, it's for servers, and as a server OS does the job. You have to work with CLI (comman line interface), like the Cisco routers/switches, if you had taken the Cisco's CCNA/CCNP course, you would understand this. Neither a Cisco router / switch has a GUI interface, you have to work directly with Cisco IOS.

[Hyperknuck1]

not being able to play games or use compiz is a killer? seriously?

if you want to game, install windows

if you want OMG NICE LOOKING USELESS EFFECTS use mac.

[jfsimon1981]

Thanks a lot for this little video ;)

Nice ! also true as a definite user of OpenBSD I can confirm.

[frozenpdx]

you'll regret this when you think better of it

[QPOproZaC]

The installer is perfect. Simple and fast. I prefer it over any GUI installer, and even curses-based installers.

[psaux]

Thanks for this post about openbsd , i have been using openbsd for quite some time and started with FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD befor i could get Linux. I agree that its not that user frendly compaired for modern os's. Its still a great learning tool and gives you a chance to play with anohter flavor of bsd.

[joancatala]

Thanks for you review.

I use OpenBSD in two laptops and it is wonderful, very easy to install, funny and secure!

[silverbakuk]

How can you say it's 'easy to install' with a straight face. Could my mother install it? That to me is the acid test.

[lordmetroid]

Your mother ain't as stupid as you may think...

[m1dget]

Why would you mother install OpenBSD anyway?

It's really easy to install. Heck if I would decide to install it and I would only have a floppy I think it would take me less than 5 minutes from bootup to finishing the install and rebooting.

I think I could even do it with my eyes closed.

[Iminurcomputorz]

OpenBSD isn't the OS if you like to play games (Apart for a few that is), it's there when you want to do some serious work or fool around with servers and such. It's very stable and has great SSH capabilities.

Going to set up my own server to download school related files, just for the fun of it.

[darkshadow3x]

please stop complaining about openbsd I use it as server and desktop ,really you can install it in 10 min ,, and I dont feel that there is different in performance ,, it easy to use and have high qualty code, for those look for open source and freedom openbsd refuse to use close source driver because he want to make stand in face of those who belave that open source is just a trash of code stop it , you should care more about qualty

[d0n7r33dd15]

the only thing openbsd protects you from is performance

[YouMockMe]

Thanks for the review. Its helpped me to understand the whole deal. Thanks again.

[bastardtubeuser]

thanks for this review , it was very interesting to hear about this system. well done. i used debian for 3 years and loved it to death. i would like to get back into open systems again.

[canuma100]

open BSD is a HUGE pain in the ass to install.

It really could be improved. Look at arch linux its easy to install and still gives u all freedoms

[Lantrix]

I installed it last night in about 15 mins or less. Most of that time was the base pkgs coming down off the network. I even partitioned the disk in that time. It is extremely quick *and very repeatable* once you have done it once or thrice.

[igneousphantom]

OpenBSD has 3d acceleration... it just doesn't support much hardware, however the 9600/9800 series radeon cards are fully supported, and have 3d acceleration, as well as almost all the intel chips. But the base for mesa/drm and everything is all there, it's just up to the hardware vendors to really put that kind of thing out.. and since nvidia and ati won't be releasing their source any time soon, that's probably not going to happen. Also: OpenArena (and UrbanTerror) has been ported to OpenBSD.

[sunnz]

I thought OpenBSD won't ever get 3D at all for X, it is for some security reason, this was discussed in misc... can you cite any official documentation about this somewhere?

[igneousphantom]

google "openbsd intel drm" without the quotes. it should be the first result, one guy has managed to get direct rendering and mesa working on his openbsd box. If you need more proof, just hop in #openbsd on freenode and ask them.

[sunnz]

Ohh nice, I was just curious no offence intended.

[usresidentsarestupid]

Jesus christ, you were whining as a little boy. Get yourself your new, shiny compiz+beryl+hellknowswhatelse unstable linbox and stop whining about what you don`t even understand. Leave OpenBSD for the grownups.

[jupiterbroadcasting]

Huh. So the good things I said about OpenBSD are wrong then? Also people who don't currently use OpenBSD should never look at it?

[LULZJIM]

"I had to refer to online tutorials just to get the base system installed"

I did not think it was all that difficult without reading documentation it was a fairly straight forward affair the first time I installed obsd, I think that having to read some type of documentation while installing an operating system is a good thing as about 90% of the time there is a good chance of data loss without a good bit of reading-tfm.

My 2c

[orgthingy]

huge problem with openbsd is its community, no offence but its community isnt friendly :P

[MrYiu08]

I love the OpenBSD installer.

[DrTermiT]

Nice episode! Wanna say ending with radar looks bad, but opening looks very cool.

[JasonSmithThailand]

I have to say, one of the easiest OS installs I've ever done was OpenBSD on a Sparcstation 5, probably back around 2001 or so. I think most of the hard stuff in the text install applies to x86 where the variety of hardware is huge.

[lordkimbote]

Good review. Dude, is that an arcade cabinet behind you?

[jupiterbroadcasting]

Yes sir indeed! That there is a Kee Games Tank.

[clebus]

A good, informative review. Have a week set by for the install and configuration as a server!