That guy doing the interview is sitting way too close to her, he leans in a few times as if he's trying to kiss her or something. Why do they get these wolf like reporters in the 1960s and even today?
The Questions posed to Jada by Paul Good were Brilliant and Direct ,questions that were going right to the heart of the Conspiracy.Testimony like this is of much more importance and value Historically than the innuendo,dis info and speculation that has followed.Whether you believe in a conspiracy or not this has great value,I have great respect for Jada ,i don't care how she made her money,it took guts to speak out like this at the time,knowing as she did the associates that Ruby Had.Top Post.
Yo peeps...jada was a stripper...she barely knew ruby....she has nothing to contribute to the debate. it was oswald, all by himself....ruby acted alone also. he was not with the mob...ruby was borderline pyscho...the mob would never use a guy like ruby.
she danced for marcello's sho bar in new orleans - there was a network controlled by the mob with the dancers- especially top bills like jada- there was this agva union that was a shakedown operation -the bar owners pimped out alot the girls and skimmed their tips- some were used as mules to run drugs from city to city. jada mentioned ruby did not like bobby kennedy- this was consistent with how the mob felt- nobody in this underworld of racketeers gave a fuck about politics- they acted on cash
She says what many people believe. Jack Ruby, like his mob friends, did not like Bobby Kennedy. Jack Ruby did not like Jack Kennedy enough to kill for him. Jack Ruby was capable of murder. One jigsaw bit perfectly outlined, ready to pop into the puzzle. Poor girl. She died not long after in a motorcycle accident, before any other observations or memories might float to the surface of her amazingly spacious mind.
@6sen Because the worked for Jack Ruby, the man who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald shot JFK. People who are interested in JFK's assassination find this interesting.
She was killed not long after this interview. She was very brave, but naive. She said Ruby knew Oswald, when the Government and everyone else was telling us lies that he didn't know Oswald. Today, all of us know Ruby knew Oswald and helped set him up. But, back then, it was the big cover up story. Have some respect for this brave poor woman who told the truth and paid for it with her life. Whoever thinks this is David Ferrie, should get a pair of glasses. He's ugly as Hell. She's not !
Jada was a hot commodity on the Dallas night club scene in those days. Jack Ruby introduced us one night and it was magic! I seriously thought about leaving my wife for her & maybe starting a new life in Cuba but i didn't want my children to turn into the capitalist scumbags i have always despised! It was then that David Ferrie calmed me down & reminded me that we had more important work to do.
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this is David Ferry diguised as a woman. did you notice the ring at the left hand of Jada aka David Ferry ! it is the Ring Of ChipChapDadaDooDa, a ring only residents from planet Alpha Beta DooDoo wear. The planet is also known as "Assassino" and you all know what that means !
LBJ hired Jada to shoot Oswald and JFK, but since Jada had his period (s)he was able only to shoot Oswald. True story !
@Onionsayswhat Very dramatic eyebrows were in style back then. However, the way she has done hers makes her look slutty, especially by the standards of that time. She was a stripper after all.
Anyway ty pajasa for unknowingly being involved in my summer psychology assignment on beleifs and what happens when they are challenged. Kudos for not calling me a nut job or anything though i do feel you came close to it a few times lol.
My own personal view is there is a few unanswered q's about thta day which have come about from bad investigation and the fact LHO was never tried in court due to his death.
No I'd never call you that. I save that for the "sci-fi" conspiracy crowd that think that EVERYBODY was a conspirator- CIA, Mafia, Secret Service, FBI, Cubans, Russians, oil men, 2 teams of doctors in two cities, the media, etc. but then when asked how many conspirators it would take to pull off the plot and the coverup, they respond with nominal "...ehh, it only takes 2 people to make a conspiracy"
PLEASE tell me you don't think Princess Diana's death was a conspiracy....
@pajasa62 no the worst "sci fi" ppl are the ones that stat kennedy knew about aliens and was gonna come out and tell the US pop. that aliens are visiting earth and abducting ppl. some even say that bush clinton obama and others are reptilian shapeshifters here to conquer earth for the lizard ppl. and as u kno i believe in a conspiracy, but 1 that came from earth. JFK made a lot of enemies in almost all power sectors of this country. some say Di was pregnant w/ a muslum baby+babies dad
"As the portait of Jack Ruby emerges piece by piece" The WFAA newman says at the end.
One major problem - (and not to blame the person that posted this because I don't know their source), but this is from the 1988 rebroadcast on WFAA-TV Dallas of that weekend....the interview was 3-1/2 minutes and what is deceitfully edited out is her desciption of Ruby's wild and scary mood swings and her "I have seen him with a gun, I beleive he always carried it, it seemed to be a habit of his".
Again, you're responding to something I made 2 months ago...it is a fact that in a brief interview of WFAA-TV Dallas 1988 rebroadcast of that weekend, the most powerful part of the interview is omitted.
Am I wrong? I guess not because you would say so.
Yet all you do is give this vague comment that goes NOWHERE!
This was an important statement from someone who new Ruby pretty well. Another witness who died an unatural death later..I believe she knew that Ruby had ulterior motives for shooting Oswald.
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
Most probably the shot that missed....with a slight possibilty of a fragment of the head shot, but most likely the missed shot.
This is real life, not a novel, where you reading the "facts" of an event given by an author. Some things can only be guessed at. Just because it was a ricochet shouldn't make it sinister. But JFK conspiracy theorists are content having a multiple shooting WITHOUT evidence of shooters and a conspiracy WITHOUT evidence of conspirators.
impossible trajectory of first missed shot to end up at full velocity a the bottom of elm.....heres one for you, why would any gunman fire through trees when he knows in seconds the car will be clear...daltex shooter my friend....
Impossible for head wound frag to cause riccochet down to curb.....none of you guys can answer this..the daltex shooter is the only one that lines up perfectly with Tague.....you have a nice Thanksgiving also, my friend....
Come up with someone that saw a shooter like the Depository, others of a rifle being withdrawn from the window, and physical evidence of empty shells and a rifle....AND THEN maybe you got something....otherwise, it's just the usual speculation backed up by NOTHING!!!!!
Aside from choosing only 1 of 4 of my points (and I didn't even include "the gun owner as being the only one to leave the building in question and not return"!!!!
Why do you ask? Because it is proof, evidence, something with teeth, something you can hang your hat on, etc. not just speculation...speculation is easy, that's no problem, look at all the invented angles for shots on these JFK sites- even the "umbrella man firing a poison dart" crap.
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
Watch video The large back of the head wound and explain to me how all these doctors and medical people observed this large rear wound...i guess theyre conspiracy nuts......
Dr. Hume and others said the head shot created a "coning or bellowing" of the back of the head. And others for THSC observed "a cratered entry wound on the back of the head" So I don't have to repeat myself....regarding the autopsy photo of the back of JFK's head showing a small entry hold - in the upper right corner you see a hand holding the scalp in place so that particular photo could be taken.
you are totally wrong...they interviewed doctors and medical staff and they all said alrge blowout wound in back of head....are they all conpiracy flakes.....
"blowout wound" Come on migo, blowout wound? That term is so ambiguous it's not funny.
That doesn't mean and exit wound. The JFK lost brain matter with the deal....right?
What deceitful crap were you listening to? Cite the source....but then again look at the site were on, where Jada Conforto's talking about Ruby's crazy moods swings and his carrying a gun "seemed to be a habit of his" are disgracefully edited out.
I seriously don't understand what you mean....autopsy photos show the small bullet hole in the back of the head WITH A HAND AT THE UPPER RIGHT HOLDING THE SCALP IN PLACE because of the effects to THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
Motorcyle cop Bob Hargis (still alive) said as recently as 2008 in a Discovery Channel program that "I rode into" the spray and matter. And while it was on his helmet, uniform and cyle, he was not "covered" in it...that is an exaggeration when one talks about being "covered in blood".
And I guess you didn't watch that program which confirmed the 6th flr. shot and DESTROYED a grassyknoll shot (the bullet would have gone THROUGH JFK's head)
Don't you notice on Zapruder the spray going forward?
How could he ride into it the blood if the bullet came from behind, only a bullet from the right could push enough blood etc in that direction for him to notice it and for him to think he had been shot, which he did at the time. If the bullet came from the TSBD the vast majority would go in the car, but of course we will never know as the car was taken away to get cleaned and refitted before it could be inspected.
Yes, the vast majority DID go in the car! Who is saying it didn't????
Just listen to what the surviving passengers said (Nellie Connally being the most articulate and in public). Just look at the Zapruder film of the spray going forward. Watch the Discovery Channel show of Hargis saying he "rode into it"
This was a 2000+ ft/second large caliber bullet, you are oversimplifying everything "to know" what a shot would do to a scalp/skull regardless at what point it impacts or its trajectory.
"Who is saying it didn't????" The man that found a peice of skull from the occiptal lobe the next day i guess. If Hargis is traveling forward, of course he is going to ride into it.
"This was a 2000+ ft/second large caliber bullet, you are oversimplifying everything "to know" what a shot would do to a scalp/skull regardless at what point it impacts or its trajectory." Are you not doing that yourself by saying that the spray going forward MUST indicate a shot from behind?
Don't you see spray going forward in the Zapruder film?
Patrolman H.B. McClain (still alive) said on a TV interview last year that the spray was forward....this does not mean every drop of it, but the clear majority, AS SEEN IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM (in a moving car!)
So the clear majority? How come the presidents wife after climbing onto the back was heard by connally's wife saying "i have his brains in my hand" 3 times and Connally heard it once before he lost conciousness? Which he did just before the underpass at elm. You still metion nothing of the skull found the day after.
See that's what I meant that conspiracy theorists live in gray areas and ambiguity. Because 100% of JFK's skull and brain didn't travel in a straight line, you act like you have something.
"Connally hears Jackie before he loses consciousness before the underpass at Elm"
Impress you could tell the exact moment Connally lost consciousness. QUESTION -what did Connally say on national TV in September 1964 that he heard after the shots? Careful, YOU say he lost consciousness before the underpass.
See, like everybody else I deal with on these sites I have to answer ALL of their LAME questions, BUT, BUT....I've asked you TWO. One regarding the alleged "planted" stretcher bullet. The other on a list of the almost endless list of the HISTORY, the INARGUABLE HISTORY of people an organizations it would take to keep an "Oswald alone/ conspiracy coverup" to be maintained...excluding even the theorists "motive to kill, team of shooters and recruiters it would take".
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
Take another look at the cancer industry...then check out the military complex, next you can try to figure out why NASA spent over a million bucks on trying to develope a pen that would write in space, and then the russians just used a pencil, tell me why we dont have enough money to fix our infrastructure, but well spend millions upon millions studying the mars surface...when everyone is dead who is connected to JFK hit, the truth will be revealed....
multiple ear witnesses that heard...BANG........BANG...BANG....bolt action rifle.....many also said first shot very loud like an explosion...second and third shots sounded more like a rifle....priceless......
Check this one out Mr. Pajasas, its probably the biggest conspiracy in the world, and guess what? it involves multiple parties....its called the cancer industry,they make trillions every year supposedly treatin people with their chemicals, meanwhile its now proven that cancer cannot exist in your body if you have non acidic body PH which can be obtained by proper diet.....hmmmmmmmm, many multiple parties involved in this one...because theure making tons of fucking cash......
How did conspirators calculate that a bullet fired at 2000+ feet/second was either going to penetrate or barely penetrate,(NOT JFK, but Connally!) have doctors/ nurses cooperating w/ them (for the rest of their lives!), and be prepared to replace the bullet, not in the easier to plant & discover LIMO, but a stetcher AND THEN not have an agent to retrieve it (eehhh.... maybe the one that planted it?) or even have someone there to accept the bullet from the hospital worker?
again, the Tague riccochet hit; the magic bullett BS (Ill take Connellys word of what he felt over you speculating) if you watch the Z movie very closely Kennedy is responding to neck wound and Connelly is still on his way to take a look back and still holding his hat with hand that should have shattered wrist by now...doesnt work
AGAIN, AGAIN who isn't saying that the first bullet missed WHO? Do you even read my posts or what?
Then YOU talk about "speculating"?
The YOU talk about watching the Zapruder film closely?
The first shot was fired at about fram 160 BEFORE they reached the Stemmon sign THAT is when Connally turned around in reaction to HEARING a shot! Connally was struck at about Z224 just as he and JFK EMERGED from the sign...reacting together! Your just parroting Oliver Stone-like disproven CRAP!
elow..and tague could not have been hit from the results of a riccochet from the first shot, sorry...and you just complicate things....major conspiracies are in existence as we speak...i already explained this to you....start with cancer....
So for the 4th time.... You say there were 12 conspirators...I give you a list that DOESN'T have plotters with a motivation to kill, teams of shooters or even recuiters...I don't even include them for you!
Look at my list....I'll even forget the 12 (which doesn't even cover a plotters, shooters or recruiters!) DISPROVE ME! GO FOR IT!
There is some grey areas as to which stretcher the bullet was found on, also the person who found the bullet on the stretcher later could not ID the bullet shown to him that was later said to be the bullet on the stretcher
The man who found the bullet could not say which stretcher for sure he found the bullet on as stated in the warren commission, infact said it probably came from the stretcher that connolly wasnt on. If i found a bullet in the hospital that the president had just died in, i would take notice of it. He identified a pointed bullet, not the rounded tip one that was entered as evidence. There is no proper chain of evidence for it as he cannot positvely ID it.
Again, he said nothing to EXCLUDE that stretcher. Again, he was not stationed like a statue there. Again, he knew that stretcher was brought from the elevator where Connally was taken. Again, stretchers where identical.
"He identified a pointed bullet, not the rounded tip brought into evidence"
So, not only was a bullet planted on a stretcher, BUT ANOTHER REPLANTED, yes REPLANTED later on, for evidence?
Again he said NOTHING to say it WAS that stretcher, which makes the chain of evidence even weaker and therefore less likely to be accepted in a court of law. I never said it was switched, your trying to put words in my mouth, I am saying there is a weak chain of evidence.
Oh, so you are just playing "devil's advocate " here...I wish you told me that earlier.
So logic and common sense has to be ignored because there is no motion pictures of what transpired.
And I am not putting words in your mouth you said, "He identified a pointed bullet, not the round one used as evidence, AGAIN, what's the logic? A REPLANTED bullet?
I'm sure John Wilkes Booth was just an actor hanging out in his place of employment and took a bad step and fell...is that how it works?
I am trying to say there is a weak chain of evidence, but all you do is say im claiming it has been replanted, but again ill play along and say Wright, Johnsen, and Rowley all failed to positively ID CE-399, only one person could and that was todd, his initials dont appear on the bullet (standard procedure for the chain of evidence to mark the bullet with initials) so the bullet becomes null as a piece of evidence.
YOU say Tomlinson said he saw one type of bullet on 11/22 and another type later on. (without you citing it,fine) So, I guess you feel that the planted bullet was REPLANTED later on....YES or NO?
And really, your contorting yourself with this devil's advocate bluffing. Do you think the bullet was planted to frame Oswald? YES or NO?
If yes, I'll repost the threshold questions that you need answer.
I have no idea if it has been replanted or not, I'm claiming it has a weak chain of evidence that would have some trouble in a court of law, as specter himself said CE-399's bone fides were "subject to later proof," which to some CT'ers he never truly did.
The idea of a bullet planted on a stretcher to frame LHO is LAUGHABLE.
Sure, sounds fun...but how could plotters figure that a bullet fired at that velocity barely penetrate (not the target - JFK, but someone else) Connally, have Dr./nurses in place to "cooperate" FOREVER, be prepared to replace it, not in the easier to control/discover LIMO, but a stretcher. But not have the conspirator who planted it, ALSO FIND IT! THEN not have someone to take it from Tomlinson who had to "shop it around"?
Please enlighten me to how Dr/nurses are cooperating. The Limo was taken away cleaned and refitted, (if there was a conspiracy) they could have known that would happen and know not to plant a bullet in the Limo. The stretchers would have been cleaned and be used again so the bullet was going to get found at some point and seeing as the president died there, chances are it would find its way to the police.
Dr/nurses would HAVE to cooperate,if the bullet would have been found, but that's how childish and unthoughtout this "planted bullet" nonsense is.
Again: how would conspirators know that a bullet fired at 2000 ft/second barely penetrate an UNINTENDED target? Be able to anticipate it falling out? Be prepared to replace it? And the "cleaning the limo" you brought up is just an added contradiction to this silly "theory".
Why do they have to cooperate? They did not find the bullet.
Seeing as you are determined to put words in my mouth about a planted bullet, ill play along with by asking about how there is a photo of the evidence sent to washington which shows a fragment of a bullet, about the size of a dime which came from connolly, yet the bullet found does not have a fragment that large missing.
How is cleaning the limo a contradiction to this silly "theory"
Your beautiful...the circumference of a 6.5mm isn't even the size of a dime....you're looking at an enlargement!
"How is cleaning the limo a contradiction of the theory"
Obviously, when you imply that conspirators are cleaning the limo- that's the logical progression...Why WOULDN"T they plant it there? or just say "Hey, look what I found!"
Just the insane idea of calculating BEFORE that a bullet is going to barely penetrate someone is silly.
"the circumference of a 6.5mm isn't even the size of a dime" So you have never heard of a bullet flattening out when it hits something solid, eg bone?
So when they cleaned the Limo ,they find 5 peices of bullets, i take it you claim they all came from one bullet? That just went through the head, while one that caused 7 wounds all stayed in one piece? The bullet that supposedly shattered connally's rib and broke his wrist after it had gone through Kennedy
When someone respected like Dr. Michael Baden says the only way for the "magic bullet" to be flattened at the base ON ONLY ONE SIDE was "highly improbable" by anything but it being fired and striking an object WHILE TUMBLING that you ignore, that doesn't count.
And they didn't put the limo through a car wash, they removed the visible bloody mess.
Go to Ford's theatre...Lincoln's coat has its sleeve and lining ragged cut by souvenir hunters blood stains...have fun with that one!
Dr Braden that said "Where bungled autopsies are concerned,President Kennedys is the exemplar." Which according to what you said in an earlier statement puts him in the CT camp. So the flattening occured when it hit the rib or the wrist or did it just happen to hit those bones in exactly same are of the bullet.
I never said it went through a car wash a car wash doesnt find 5 pieces of bullets in the limo.
If you want to pay for my flight to the USA to go to the theatre then ty.
Just to clarify Dr. Baden statement, he was largely referring to the fact that Dr. Hume did not know that Dr. Perry at Parkland obliterated the exit wound at the throat when he performed the tracheotomy.
Pardon my almost nit-picking at Connally's words before they reach the underpass but according to a '64 TV interview he quoted Roy Kellerman saying to the driver Greer "get out of the line" and then to the lead pack of motorcycle cops, "we're hit, get us to a hospital".
To be honest with you, i picked up the stuff about what connally heard from a website about 30 mins before i posted, i tried to find it again but when you look at alot of sites you kind of lose track. I had to do quite a bit of digging to try and keep up with your points. Its scary the amount of stuff out there and how much is nonsense.
I'm answering all your question...without much comeback from you (I might add).
Let ME ask YOU a question.
How many people do you think were involved in this conspiracy of yours (plotters, shooters, recuiters to insure Oswald was framed as a lone gunman and the people involved to maintain a coverup)?
See that's the problem with a conspiracy regarding JFK. You say 12?... 12 wouldn't cover the Warren Commission, it's staff lawyers and researchers ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the Dallas police ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the teams of doctors in YES 3 cities ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the "sleeping" media (conspiracists always claim) ALONE.
In order to prove a conspiracy, you have to ask COULD THERE BE a conspiracy. Look at my endless list of the HISTORY!
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
whaen did the missed shot take place,,,wasnt it right after they made the left turn? the point im trying to make is that the TSBD shooter would have been shooting down at a steep angle..how did it hit Tague in cheek way down at over pass area?
The first shot was fired at frame 160 of the Zapruder film, yes a very steep shot, but you could very nearly draw a straight line from the 6th flr.nest, the car and where Tague was standing. A richochet is a richochet, but that's a hell of a coincidence where Tague was standing.
What do you think of my list of people it would take to keep the conspiracy intact? Remember my list DOESN'T include shooters, people with a motive to kill or recruiters.
while your at it checkout understanding the kennedy Assasination...and your reply concerning the Tague riccochet doesnt add up with the angle of trajectory..the first shot was a miss and had to be shot at very steep angle through tree branches....you also always pass on rapid succession of second and third shots....
Watch the Dicovery Channel tonight, they are replaying it's broacast at 1 a.m. EST. Gary Mack supervised the most anatomically correct reshooting of the headshot every with everything to precision.
Want to know what they say?...VERBATIM of what I said 2 days ago..."That Hargis rode into the matter"...and they interview Hargis!
AND, they recreated the grassyknoll shot (useing 2 different types of ammo) Their conclusion...NO WAY!
They recreate the 6th flr. shot...Perfect! JUST PERFECT!
Sure you DON'T want to debate! Your knowledge is limited to conspiracy books, yet of course you start yapping about "research"!
"Oswald's gun was non-functional" - Like the gun wasn't test-fired after!
"No witness to Oswald fleeing Tippet" - Duuhh! Markam and Calloway ID'd him in a lineup, Benevides and 2 others picked up the shells that match his gun "to the exclusion of all others"!
"Cops wanted Oz to flee so they could kill him" - He was paraded around repeatedly for the media BY POLICE!
Oswald took a taxi to Oak Cliff. It was someone else who killed Tippit. Oswald was told by Ruby to be at the theater and collect his pay for letting the kill-team into the Depository and helping them build the 'sniper's nest.' Witnesses saw him in the 2nd floor lunchroom as of 12:15 and afterward. Cops at the theater were planning to kill him, but there were too many witnesses.His discription went over the cop radio before Tippit was killed. Idea was to kill him at the Depository just after JFK
So tell us, with all the witnesses that ID'd Oswald in the Tippet shooting, flight w/ gun in hand, the same gun that he pulled on cops in the theatre (and of course the cops DIDN'T kill him in the theatre even though he tried to shoot Officer MacDonald) would Oswald be stupid enough to hand off his gun (to someone no one else saw!) and flee the building that quickly?
Don't want to debate you cyber-folk, but eyewitnesses said two men shot Tippit, neither of whom looked like Oswald. Cops couldn't kill him in the theater because there were too many witnesses. His gun was non-functional, bent pin. No witness ID'd Oswald fleeing Tippit scene. What I posted was gospel, my man. You have sucked up propaganda. You need to do a tad of research and avoid MSM lies.I'm too busy to engage in cyber-debate. Cops wanted Oz to flee so they could kill him. But he didn't.
why did witnesses to the theater arrest hear an officer say, "so you shot the president?" or something like that....and what about roger craigs story....yeah he sounds like a real flake...
I don't know the quote or where you're going w/ it. However one quote that WAS reported by TV and radio on Nov. 22 was Oswald saying upon being arrested "I killed a President, a cop, now if I could only get a few more"
Did the Warren Commission use that quote? NO! Did the arresting cops (who conspiracy theorists think had a role) verify that statement? NO! It was some jerk looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
BUT if the Warren Commission/ cops were part of a plot, why wouldn't they use it?
Mr. Pajasa, explain to me how motorcycle cop hargas was hit with blood and brain matter with great force, if he was riding to the left rear of kennedy???
Re: Roger Craig, try to find someone that didn't try to personally profit or that could say things that stood up to facts.
The Paine station was accounted for.
Oswald had a bus transfer on him stamped by the driver's individual hole punch design. He & LHO's old landlady saw him on the bus.
With the media not only admitted into, but SEALED in TSBD, in 45 years of the WFAA-TV's Alyea film, with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has EVER pointed out it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Sure Craig profited. In addition to the documentary interviews (one of which is on Youtube where they disgracefully block the clear image of the rifle PROVING it was a Mannlicher Carcano, with his picture) He wrote a book called "Forgive My Grief".
Though I admit he wasn't as bad as Jean Hill who writes a book, clearly in conjunction with Oliver Stones stupid movie, suddenly had a resurgence of memory 28 years later and saw a shooter, a "puff of smoke" and a bullet whizzing past her.
well let me add this ...my son in law works for the FBI and he is in the psychological end of things, he is known as a lie expert..i had him watch the craig film and he said that the man is not lying.....he gives him a 99%, which means if he was a suspect or something, he would be let go...
I suugest Mr. Pajasa, that you check out secret service interviews such as SS Kinney,who was in follow up carand says the shot succession was...as he says "pow.........pow...pow" hmmm.....
I notice you never touch base on parkland doctors responses about the throat wound being an entrance wound, and then they made traceotemy cut on this entrance hole....exp
again your dealing with an early false report (something CTers cling to because they have nothing else)
The Parkland doctors were there to try to restore JFK's vital signs, period. As Malcolm Perry said on CBS-TV in '67, "We had no reason to turn him over...if a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little difference to us...we weren't concerned with how this happened or why". continued...
Ive got news for you, when doctors get gun wound victims they always for reporting reasons identify exits and entrances....in order to determine damage status.....
It was a TRAUMA ROOM, they were working in desperation to restore JFK's vital signs. You act like he was having a yearly physical. Again, they made no attempt and had no reason to ascertain trajectory.
trauma room or no trauma room, any doctor would make these observations, any doctor, and in a big city these doctors see many,many gunshot victims and can identify them at a drop...which brings me to my next point.....many of these texan men who heard the shots grew up hunting and shooting guns...they know gun fire and direction...
Yes, well this IS a difference between a trauma room and a doctors office. You pass it off as nothing and then take on this laughable assumption that these "big city" doctors are all hunters and every shooting is the same.
find out how many shooting victims enter the emergency room at parkland every year...or in any big city...you are so off the mark, or an excellent sidestepper.....and if its not in the warren report it couldnt have happened.......pretty sad, how many close minded people still exist in this society, fortunately you are in the minority...
Part II. Exit wounds are not automatically larger, something has to cause the wound to be larger. Either the bullet has to be deformed before passing through OR it has to start tumbling before passing through.
What also matters is the velocity (2000+ feet/second in this case), construction of the bullet (full-jacketed in this case) and what it hit (soft muscle in this case).
The Parkland doctors DID NOT attempt to figure trajectory, they were rushing to save JFK's life.
again, throat wound stated to be entrance by many doctors...tracheotomy was performed over the wound... oh and this is the same wound that was caused by the magic bullett, you know, the one that passed out of Kennedy, went through connelly and struck "BONE" Hard tissue, and somehow came out in excellent shape.....
At Bethesda they had no reason to know ahead of time that Perry cut through the wound (common practice). A piece of thread wasn't inserted into JFK's neck, a TUBE was.
What was Perry going to do? Fax Dr. Hume about his futile attempt? Bethesda was chosen by Jackie Kennedy DURING the flight on Air Force 1 because JFK was a naval officer instead of Walter Reed Medical.
what dont you get here??? entrance wound as compared to exit wound..this is huge...the warren commision labeled it an exit wound because of its size......but it was made larger to insert the freakin tube....doctor "entrance wound to throat....ooooooohhh, wait a minute!! this contradicts the Warren Report....
Again you use an early report to "justify" this. The Parkland doctors could not tell if it were an exit or entrance. I made two 500-word posts on this. Perry admittedly ASSUMED it was an entrance wound because they had no reason to turn JFK over "If a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little differene to us....we had no time to concern ourselves as to how this happened or why".
it DOESNT FREAKIN MATTER that the doc wasnt concerned about how!!!!! its the fact that in his statement and many others, it was called an ENTRANCE FREAKIN WOUND, and these doctors are expert at gun wounds........man....
Malcolm Perry CBS-TV 1967. "The determination of entrance and exit wounds requires the assertation of trajectory...the difference between the two is generally determined in a disparity in sizes...If it is a full-jacketed bullet however the caliber on entrance and exit can often be the same, and without defamation of the bullet and without tumbling, even the trained observer might have trouble distinguishing the two." Perry readily admitted on TV that he incorrectly assumed it was an entrance.
Talk about comparing apples and oranges! How can you bring in the same breath comparison to someone admitting candidly the sober, hard truth of an event in their attempt to save someones life, to those CLOWNS like Holland, Jean Hill, Arnold, Hoffman, etc. ALL who change their stories (for financial gains) or were "outed" as frauds!....your silence on what I said about Roger Craig is deafening.
Here's a couple of other early reports on 11/22/63 for you to salivate over...JFK standing when shot, Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, JFK transfered to Parkland by ambulance (Dan Rather) or A BUS (NBC-TV), LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack, "JFK's lips moving at a normal rate of speed" on arrival at Parkland (Sen. Yarborough),a British 303 rifle used (WFAA-radio), 2-3000 angry people gathered outside Texas Theatre, Tippet slain in shootout at theatre, Oswald arrested with a shotgun on him.
this means nothing...what your saying is that because there are flaky people on this planet then there cant be a legit conspiracy.....there are conspiracies going on as we speak...bad argument....
there was definately a JFK conspiracy, and i answered your Craig inquirery, my son in law is with the fbi out of scranton...he is whats called a liar expert...he watched the craig interview and told me he is 99% sure craig is telling the truth....
"my son in law is with the fbi out of scranton...he is whats called a liar expert...he watched the craig interview and told me he is 99% sure craig is telling the truth"
Let alone the "FBI out of Scranton", to be engage in a discussion/debate with someone and use THAT, (as if you have something with it) is a total JOKE!
You really should go to one of those JFK/Sci-fi conventions with crap like that, where everyone is trying to outdo each other, pretending to be "researchers & students" of it.
Prior to scranton, he was in LA, New york and DC...I dont pretend anything mr. pajasas, your the one pretending conspiracies dont exist...now THATS funny...
Look my friend, you sound like you are out of ammunition on the subject....Your talking about "Donnie Brasco" and "liar experts" (whatever that is).
Maybe you should have your son-in law go to Michael Griffith's conspiracy site where he has Ruth Paine's WKRLD interview of 11/63...OH WAIT, the ONLY THING excluded from that interview is Wes Wise asking her about Oswald's involvement in a conspiracy...this on a site that PROMOTES conspiracy....we do find out though that Oswald liked potatoes.
your the one ,Mr. Pajasas who has nothing but official WC answers, you dont want to hear about conspiracy, because you cant handle that it exists...and i notice you pick and choose what you respond to..kind of like the warren commission ignoring certain events that occurred.....
I'm citing interviews of recorded video and audio of the history of the event, YOUR talking about body language WITHOUT reference to examples how the person in question acts otherwise....REAL scientific.
Like everyone that tells a lie is scratching themselves, twitching or has eyes darting back and forth....give me a brake...this is your EVIDENCE?
Do you know who Gordon Liddy was/is?
ANYTHING, anything that seems to work for a point, just don't think.
do i know who Liddy is.....NOOOOOO i just went to hear him speak at St. Johns University because there was nothing on the TV...now your going to say he was a flake...which yes he was eccentric, but he was brilliant and knows the inside track of this society.....do you know who Jack Anderson is????
My verbage was "liar expert", its a branch of the behavioral science unit at the FBI in Quantico Virginia, this is probably over your head, but theres science out there that is developing, they can tell if your lying by body actions, eye movement etc, Im very proud of my son in law, however i guess since he isnt mentioned in the WC hes not legit..........
His 2 "things" were Oswald getting in station wagon & the Mauser crap.
The Paine station wagon was accounted for.
Oswald had a bus transfer on him stamped by the driver's individual hole punch design. He & LHO's old landlady saw him on the bus.
With the media not only admitted into, but SEALED in TSBD, in 45 years of the WFAA-TV's Alyea film, with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has EVER pointed out it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
OH and by the way, the columnist Mr. G Liddy was talking about was Jack Anderson, when he realized the threat against his life was real, he backed down.....i wonder how many people backed down in the JFK case???
Your wondering how many back down because the number is zero, BUT in Jim Garrison case, when he did bribe & intimidate people to "firm up" his case against Clay Shaw, people from all walks of life came forth. That is not CT speculation, but FACT. NBC had a '67 program where turkish bath owners, gays, a former hooker & inmates all UNPAID by the network told their stories. The most telling was William Gurvich, Garrisons lead investigator, that quit because of "his illegal and unethical" practices.
how many people died prematurely, or under mysterious circumstances that were connected in some way to the JFK hit.....he was wacked from two differnt directions, a classic crossfire, done expertly i might add, you can believe the opposite, your in the minority...ive talked to many brilliant people in high positions, who dont woder if it was a hit, they know it was a hit, but there are many like you who dont want to accept this reality....its called closeminded
"how many people died prematurely, or under mysterious circumstances"
The whole thrust behind this was a London Times article giving the odds...a article which was RETRACTED because it was statically inaccurate! Instead of the accurate: the odds of 15 people dying within a given period of time in (say) the Warren Commission index...they initally gave the silly "the odds of these 15 NAMED DEAD people out of the ENTIRE US population dying within a given period"...a statistical joke.
Part II. That list you speak of is so padded it's a joke, it even includes Oswald, Tippet and Ruby! It includes Oswald's housekeeper an old lady that had a heart attack...it includes ONE of Ruby's lawyer, also heart attack, it includes the BROTHER of Benevides that recovered the shells that tied Oswald to the Tippet- killed by a drinking buddy THAT CONFESSED! ETC,etc...others dying YEARS after!
You know what should give you reason to pause? The importance of the people that WEREN'T on the list!
Keep believing the cover; live in your happy bubble where people in power could never possibly pull something like this off....Ha ha ha........it only happens in James Bond flicks...goodnight pajasas and have happy rainbow dreams...................
Who are you to make a claim that the number of people was zero...how do you make these claims...who are you? captain know everything? What about Liddys lecture I attended, it points to elements within having the character to kill; conspiratorially i might add...and all you do is ask, "do you know who Liddy is"?
I said the London Times odds was statisically INACCURATE to the point THEY retracted the whole thing....I'm citing there sober assessment.
"elements within to have the character to kill"
Do you mean like Oswald?...photographed with the guns holding a communist newspaper that reads "Be Militant" on it...or his 1st New Orleans radio interview when he says "revolutions require sacrifice"...or his attempt on General Walker on 4/10/63...is that what you mean?
Ive watche dozens of interviews and no one mentions jim Garrison...you bring him up because of the inaccuracies of his investigation...check out, Dr. Shaw- Bullett still in leg...
Another nonsense conspiracy theorist attempt that you can't back up.
Dr. Shaw was a thoracic surgeon & did not operate on the thigh.
So how does it play out, migo5333?
Given the high profile of the event & the stretcher bullet, do you feel that Shaw, the surgeons that handled the wound, Connally's attending physicians, the nurses, John Connally himself and his wife Nellie were a part on the conspiracy coverup? Did they all just "forget" to mention it?
excuse me Mr. Pajasa but connelly feels that he was hit with a seperate bullett and his wife feels that Oswald did it....how about all the medical staff that said he had a major wound to the back of his head???
I have no reason to disbelieve Dr. Shaw...you speak of him like you knew him personally, like your comments about any witnesses, you basically claim they are all flakes and weirdos, because they dare to give their testimony of what they saw, sure youre going to have a few nuts try to jump in on the action, but sorry bud, not all of them...
the autopsy sketches do not show a large wound at the rear...they show a small bullet hole and the front right side of his head blown off with the skull flapped over....the doctors all said no wound in front right and large wound in back of head....
That guy doing the interview is sitting way too close to her, he leans in a few times as if he's trying to kiss her or something. Why do they get these wolf like reporters in the 1960s and even today?
jaroncreed 1 month ago
no Diana's death was planned and carried out with precision ....wake up.
CHASTEWOMAN 1 month ago
i hate this bich
Jchyna 4 months ago
i hate is bich ass it,is so dom
Jchyna 4 months ago
These Evil LBJ statements WE believe refers to the murder of JFK
"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"
YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv
LBJ Evil joke about JFK
"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"
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cruisersism 4 months ago
The Questions posed to Jada by Paul Good were Brilliant and Direct ,questions that were going right to the heart of the Conspiracy.Testimony like this is of much more importance and value Historically than the innuendo,dis info and speculation that has followed.Whether you believe in a conspiracy or not this has great value,I have great respect for Jada ,i don't care how she made her money,it took guts to speak out like this at the time,knowing as she did the associates that Ruby Had.Top Post.
thomasg74 4 months ago
Yo peeps...jada was a stripper...she barely knew ruby....she has nothing to contribute to the debate. it was oswald, all by himself....ruby acted alone also. he was not with the mob...ruby was borderline pyscho...the mob would never use a guy like ruby.
superchitownhustler 5 months ago
@superchitownhustler You are 100% correct!!!
LoneNutter1 4 months ago
she danced for marcello's sho bar in new orleans - there was a network controlled by the mob with the dancers- especially top bills like jada- there was this agva union that was a shakedown operation -the bar owners pimped out alot the girls and skimmed their tips- some were used as mules to run drugs from city to city. jada mentioned ruby did not like bobby kennedy- this was consistent with how the mob felt- nobody in this underworld of racketeers gave a fuck about politics- they acted on cash
larrywheels 6 months ago
Jada died in a motorcycle accident (her bike collided with a schoolbus) in May of 1980, a year after the HSCA closed up shop.
JohnDavidStutts1 1 year ago
She says what many people believe. Jack Ruby, like his mob friends, did not like Bobby Kennedy. Jack Ruby did not like Jack Kennedy enough to kill for him. Jack Ruby was capable of murder. One jigsaw bit perfectly outlined, ready to pop into the puzzle. Poor girl. She died not long after in a motorcycle accident, before any other observations or memories might float to the surface of her amazingly spacious mind.
ironpirites 1 year ago
LYING SLUT!!!!!
cjzzzzz 1 year ago
@cjzzzzz Lying slut? Are you homosexual? She merely put a spotlight on the jewish connection to the Kennedy assassination.
EdMahoney19 1 year ago 2
@EdMahoney19 Jewish connection to the JFK murder?? Oh vay! I didn't know Oswald was Jewish! LMFAO..
superchitownhustler 5 months ago
Wow this is amazing, to get to see Jada like this. Thank you so much for posting this gem.
lancetop 1 year ago
Why are we listening to this broad?
6sen 1 year ago
@6sen Because the worked for Jack Ruby, the man who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald shot JFK. People who are interested in JFK's assassination find this interesting.
torresongs2 1 year ago
She was killed not long after this interview. She was very brave, but naive. She said Ruby knew Oswald, when the Government and everyone else was telling us lies that he didn't know Oswald. Today, all of us know Ruby knew Oswald and helped set him up. But, back then, it was the big cover up story. Have some respect for this brave poor woman who told the truth and paid for it with her life. Whoever thinks this is David Ferrie, should get a pair of glasses. He's ugly as Hell. She's not !
1916jutland 2 years ago 2
Jada was a hot commodity on the Dallas night club scene in those days. Jack Ruby introduced us one night and it was magic! I seriously thought about leaving my wife for her & maybe starting a new life in Cuba but i didn't want my children to turn into the capitalist scumbags i have always despised! It was then that David Ferrie calmed me down & reminded me that we had more important work to do.
TheRealAlekHidell 2 years ago
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Good lord! They're interviewing a whore! And we thought TV news got ridiculously BAD only in recent years?
CubanCheGuevara 2 years ago
only a stripper and in those days they did not even take everything off.
RubyMiami 2 years ago
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this is David Ferry diguised as a woman. did you notice the ring at the left hand of Jada aka David Ferry ! it is the Ring Of ChipChapDadaDooDa, a ring only residents from planet Alpha Beta DooDoo wear. The planet is also known as "Assassino" and you all know what that means !
LBJ hired Jada to shoot Oswald and JFK, but since Jada had his period (s)he was able only to shoot Oswald. True story !
DoubleR666 2 years ago
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MrLepke 2 years ago
where does the jada strip segment come from
JollymanAceofcards 2 years ago
Still waiting for "kubrickfan21" to say something....ANYTHING related to what he's responding to. (let alone on the JFK assassination)
It's one thing to run out of ammunition, it's another to start an argument/discussion with ZERO!
pajasa62 2 years ago
what's with the fucked up eyebrows? she's got eyebrows like David Ferrie. she is HOT though
Onionsayswhat 2 years ago 8
@Onionsayswhat Very dramatic eyebrows were in style back then. However, the way she has done hers makes her look slutty, especially by the standards of that time. She was a stripper after all.
torresongs2 1 year ago
@Onionsayswhat she was ferries double and she did it.............
SuperBandstand 2 months ago
Anyway ty pajasa for unknowingly being involved in my summer psychology assignment on beleifs and what happens when they are challenged. Kudos for not calling me a nut job or anything though i do feel you came close to it a few times lol.
My own personal view is there is a few unanswered q's about thta day which have come about from bad investigation and the fact LHO was never tried in court due to his death.
Take care pajasa and have a good life.
unkleted 3 years ago
No I'd never call you that. I save that for the "sci-fi" conspiracy crowd that think that EVERYBODY was a conspirator- CIA, Mafia, Secret Service, FBI, Cubans, Russians, oil men, 2 teams of doctors in two cities, the media, etc. but then when asked how many conspirators it would take to pull off the plot and the coverup, they respond with nominal "...ehh, it only takes 2 people to make a conspiracy"
PLEASE tell me you don't think Princess Diana's death was a conspiracy....
pajasa62 3 years ago
The guys that get me are the ones claiming the greer did it, its got to be the most stupid theory out there.
Diana's death, nooooo, that was just some real bad driving.
unkleted 3 years ago 2
@pajasa62 no the worst "sci fi" ppl are the ones that stat kennedy knew about aliens and was gonna come out and tell the US pop. that aliens are visiting earth and abducting ppl. some even say that bush clinton obama and others are reptilian shapeshifters here to conquer earth for the lizard ppl. and as u kno i believe in a conspiracy, but 1 that came from earth. JFK made a lot of enemies in almost all power sectors of this country. some say Di was pregnant w/ a muslum baby+babies dad
pat442389 1 year ago
"As the portait of Jack Ruby emerges piece by piece" The WFAA newman says at the end.
One major problem - (and not to blame the person that posted this because I don't know their source), but this is from the 1988 rebroadcast on WFAA-TV Dallas of that weekend....the interview was 3-1/2 minutes and what is deceitfully edited out is her desciption of Ruby's wild and scary mood swings and her "I have seen him with a gun, I beleive he always carried it, it seemed to be a habit of his".
pajasa62 3 years ago
deceitfully edited out
lol look at this hypocrite, but when it fits your conflicting evidence,..its not right? got ya
kubrickfan21 2 years ago
Again, you're responding to something I made 2 months ago...it is a fact that in a brief interview of WFAA-TV Dallas 1988 rebroadcast of that weekend, the most powerful part of the interview is omitted.
Am I wrong? I guess not because you would say so.
Yet all you do is give this vague comment that goes NOWHERE!
pajasa62 2 years ago
This was an important statement from someone who new Ruby pretty well. Another witness who died an unatural death later..I believe she knew that Ruby had ulterior motives for shooting Oswald.
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champenlau 3 years ago
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
pajasa62 3 years ago
pajasas, which bullett hit the curb which caused the nick to Tagues face??
migo53333 3 years ago
The nick to Tague's face?
Most probably the shot that missed....with a slight possibilty of a fragment of the head shot, but most likely the missed shot.
This is real life, not a novel, where you reading the "facts" of an event given by an author. Some things can only be guessed at. Just because it was a ricochet shouldn't make it sinister. But JFK conspiracy theorists are content having a multiple shooting WITHOUT evidence of shooters and a conspiracy WITHOUT evidence of conspirators.
pajasa62 3 years ago
impossible trajectory of first missed shot to end up at full velocity a the bottom of elm.....heres one for you, why would any gunman fire through trees when he knows in seconds the car will be clear...daltex shooter my friend....
migo53333 3 years ago
Impossible for head wound frag to cause riccochet down to curb.....none of you guys can answer this..the daltex shooter is the only one that lines up perfectly with Tague.....you have a nice Thanksgiving also, my friend....
migo53333 3 years ago
I said it was a "SLIGHT possibility".
Read my post below.
I said it was "most probably" the head shot.
You want to talk about the Dal-Tex building?
Come up with someone that saw a shooter like the Depository, others of a rifle being withdrawn from the window, and physical evidence of empty shells and a rifle....AND THEN maybe you got something....otherwise, it's just the usual speculation backed up by NOTHING!!!!!
pajasa62 3 years ago
WHY does someone have to see a shooter???
migo53333 3 years ago
"WHY does someone have to see a shooter???"
Aside from choosing only 1 of 4 of my points (and I didn't even include "the gun owner as being the only one to leave the building in question and not return"!!!!
Why do you ask? Because it is proof, evidence, something with teeth, something you can hang your hat on, etc. not just speculation...speculation is easy, that's no problem, look at all the invented angles for shots on these JFK sites- even the "umbrella man firing a poison dart" crap.
pajasa62 3 years ago
Sorry for the typo - "most probably the missed shot"
pajasa62 3 years ago
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
pajasa62 3 years ago
Watch video The large back of the head wound and explain to me how all these doctors and medical people observed this large rear wound...i guess theyre conspiracy nuts......
migo53333 3 years ago
Dr. Hume and others said the head shot created a "coning or bellowing" of the back of the head. And others for THSC observed "a cratered entry wound on the back of the head" So I don't have to repeat myself....regarding the autopsy photo of the back of JFK's head showing a small entry hold - in the upper right corner you see a hand holding the scalp in place so that particular photo could be taken.
ANYWAY, have a nice Thanksgiving migo.
pajasa62 3 years ago
you are totally wrong...they interviewed doctors and medical staff and they all said alrge blowout wound in back of head....are they all conpiracy flakes.....
migo53333 3 years ago
"blowout wound" Come on migo, blowout wound? That term is so ambiguous it's not funny.
That doesn't mean and exit wound. The JFK lost brain matter with the deal....right?
What deceitful crap were you listening to? Cite the source....but then again look at the site were on, where Jada Conforto's talking about Ruby's crazy moods swings and his carrying a gun "seemed to be a habit of his" are disgracefully edited out.
pajasa62 3 years ago
YOU TUBE "large wound at the back of the head"
migo53333 3 years ago
I seriously don't understand what you mean....autopsy photos show the small bullet hole in the back of the head WITH A HAND AT THE UPPER RIGHT HOLDING THE SCALP IN PLACE because of the effects to THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
pajasa62 3 years ago
You Tube "The Large Back Of The Head Wound"
migo53333 3 years ago
if JFK was shot from behind, how come the police rider behind the presidents car got covered in blood and brain matter?
unkleted 3 years ago
Motorcyle cop Bob Hargis (still alive) said as recently as 2008 in a Discovery Channel program that "I rode into" the spray and matter. And while it was on his helmet, uniform and cyle, he was not "covered" in it...that is an exaggeration when one talks about being "covered in blood".
And I guess you didn't watch that program which confirmed the 6th flr. shot and DESTROYED a grassyknoll shot (the bullet would have gone THROUGH JFK's head)
Don't you notice on Zapruder the spray going forward?
pajasa62 3 years ago
How could he ride into it the blood if the bullet came from behind, only a bullet from the right could push enough blood etc in that direction for him to notice it and for him to think he had been shot, which he did at the time. If the bullet came from the TSBD the vast majority would go in the car, but of course we will never know as the car was taken away to get cleaned and refitted before it could be inspected.
unkleted 3 years ago
Yes, the vast majority DID go in the car! Who is saying it didn't????
Just listen to what the surviving passengers said (Nellie Connally being the most articulate and in public). Just look at the Zapruder film of the spray going forward. Watch the Discovery Channel show of Hargis saying he "rode into it"
This was a 2000+ ft/second large caliber bullet, you are oversimplifying everything "to know" what a shot would do to a scalp/skull regardless at what point it impacts or its trajectory.
pajasa62 3 years ago
"Who is saying it didn't????" The man that found a peice of skull from the occiptal lobe the next day i guess. If Hargis is traveling forward, of course he is going to ride into it.
"This was a 2000+ ft/second large caliber bullet, you are oversimplifying everything "to know" what a shot would do to a scalp/skull regardless at what point it impacts or its trajectory." Are you not doing that yourself by saying that the spray going forward MUST indicate a shot from behind?
unkleted 3 years ago
Don't you see spray going forward in the Zapruder film?
Patrolman H.B. McClain (still alive) said on a TV interview last year that the spray was forward....this does not mean every drop of it, but the clear majority, AS SEEN IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM (in a moving car!)
pajasa62 3 years ago
So the clear majority? How come the presidents wife after climbing onto the back was heard by connally's wife saying "i have his brains in my hand" 3 times and Connally heard it once before he lost conciousness? Which he did just before the underpass at elm. You still metion nothing of the skull found the day after.
unkleted 3 years ago
See that's what I meant that conspiracy theorists live in gray areas and ambiguity. Because 100% of JFK's skull and brain didn't travel in a straight line, you act like you have something.
"Connally hears Jackie before he loses consciousness before the underpass at Elm"
Impress you could tell the exact moment Connally lost consciousness. QUESTION -what did Connally say on national TV in September 1964 that he heard after the shots? Careful, YOU say he lost consciousness before the underpass.
pajasa62 3 years ago
See, like everybody else I deal with on these sites I have to answer ALL of their LAME questions, BUT, BUT....I've asked you TWO. One regarding the alleged "planted" stretcher bullet. The other on a list of the almost endless list of the HISTORY, the INARGUABLE HISTORY of people an organizations it would take to keep an "Oswald alone/ conspiracy coverup" to be maintained...excluding even the theorists "motive to kill, team of shooters and recruiters it would take".
YOUR RESPONSE?..........
pajasa62 3 years ago
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
pajasa62 3 years ago
if first shot was fired where they say it was shot through the tree branches, sorry doesnt seem to work since Tague was very far away.....
migo53333 3 years ago
Take another look at the cancer industry...then check out the military complex, next you can try to figure out why NASA spent over a million bucks on trying to develope a pen that would write in space, and then the russians just used a pencil, tell me why we dont have enough money to fix our infrastructure, but well spend millions upon millions studying the mars surface...when everyone is dead who is connected to JFK hit, the truth will be revealed....
migo53333 3 years ago
multiple ear witnesses that heard...BANG........BANG...BANG....bolt action rifle.....many also said first shot very loud like an explosion...second and third shots sounded more like a rifle....priceless......
migo53333 3 years ago
Check this one out Mr. Pajasas, its probably the biggest conspiracy in the world, and guess what? it involves multiple parties....its called the cancer industry,they make trillions every year supposedly treatin people with their chemicals, meanwhile its now proven that cancer cannot exist in your body if you have non acidic body PH which can be obtained by proper diet.....hmmmmmmmm, many multiple parties involved in this one...because theure making tons of fucking cash......
migo53333 3 years ago
and why the fuck would any assasin leave the shell casings behind.....it would take all of 3 seconds to pick them up.......
migo53333 3 years ago
Again:
How did conspirators calculate that a bullet fired at 2000+ feet/second was either going to penetrate or barely penetrate,(NOT JFK, but Connally!) have doctors/ nurses cooperating w/ them (for the rest of their lives!), and be prepared to replace the bullet, not in the easier to plant & discover LIMO, but a stetcher AND THEN not have an agent to retrieve it (eehhh.... maybe the one that planted it?) or even have someone there to accept the bullet from the hospital worker?
pajasa62 3 years ago
again, the Tague riccochet hit; the magic bullett BS (Ill take Connellys word of what he felt over you speculating) if you watch the Z movie very closely Kennedy is responding to neck wound and Connelly is still on his way to take a look back and still holding his hat with hand that should have shattered wrist by now...doesnt work
migo53333 3 years ago
AGAIN, AGAIN who isn't saying that the first bullet missed WHO? Do you even read my posts or what?
Then YOU talk about "speculating"?
The YOU talk about watching the Zapruder film closely?
The first shot was fired at about fram 160 BEFORE they reached the Stemmon sign THAT is when Connally turned around in reaction to HEARING a shot! Connally was struck at about Z224 just as he and JFK EMERGED from the sign...reacting together! Your just parroting Oliver Stone-like disproven CRAP!
pajasa62 3 years ago
elow..and tague could not have been hit from the results of a riccochet from the first shot, sorry...and you just complicate things....major conspiracies are in existence as we speak...i already explained this to you....start with cancer....
migo53333 3 years ago
So for the 4th time.... You say there were 12 conspirators...I give you a list that DOESN'T have plotters with a motivation to kill, teams of shooters or even recuiters...I don't even include them for you!
Look at my list....I'll even forget the 12 (which doesn't even cover a plotters, shooters or recruiters!) DISPROVE ME! GO FOR IT!
pajasa62 3 years ago
You should watch the History Channel tonight Sunday at 9:00 p.m. for an interesting JFK assassination program.
pajasa62 3 years ago
There is some grey areas as to which stretcher the bullet was found on, also the person who found the bullet on the stretcher later could not ID the bullet shown to him that was later said to be the bullet on the stretcher
unkleted 3 years ago
"There is some grey areas"
That's where conspiracy theorists live! If Mark Lane & friends "gear" a question to get a specific, ambiguous answer that shouldn't impress anyone.
Tomlinson wasn't a statue staring at the stretchers and in a June '67 CBS interview never excluded the Connally stretcher.
"could not ID the bullet"
Unless he examined the bullet BEFORE, how could he? That's like asking someone not paying attention, to ID a blank index card.
"I just put it in my pocket" (June '67)
pajasa62 3 years ago
The man who found the bullet could not say which stretcher for sure he found the bullet on as stated in the warren commission, infact said it probably came from the stretcher that connolly wasnt on. If i found a bullet in the hospital that the president had just died in, i would take notice of it. He identified a pointed bullet, not the rounded tip one that was entered as evidence. There is no proper chain of evidence for it as he cannot positvely ID it.
unkleted 3 years ago
Again, he said nothing to EXCLUDE that stretcher. Again, he was not stationed like a statue there. Again, he knew that stretcher was brought from the elevator where Connally was taken. Again, stretchers where identical.
"He identified a pointed bullet, not the rounded tip brought into evidence"
So, not only was a bullet planted on a stretcher, BUT ANOTHER REPLANTED, yes REPLANTED later on, for evidence?
UTTER FICTIONAL NONSENSE!!!!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Again he said NOTHING to say it WAS that stretcher, which makes the chain of evidence even weaker and therefore less likely to be accepted in a court of law. I never said it was switched, your trying to put words in my mouth, I am saying there is a weak chain of evidence.
unkleted 3 years ago
Oh, so you are just playing "devil's advocate " here...I wish you told me that earlier.
So logic and common sense has to be ignored because there is no motion pictures of what transpired.
And I am not putting words in your mouth you said, "He identified a pointed bullet, not the round one used as evidence, AGAIN, what's the logic? A REPLANTED bullet?
I'm sure John Wilkes Booth was just an actor hanging out in his place of employment and took a bad step and fell...is that how it works?
pajasa62 3 years ago
I am trying to say there is a weak chain of evidence, but all you do is say im claiming it has been replanted, but again ill play along and say Wright, Johnsen, and Rowley all failed to positively ID CE-399, only one person could and that was todd, his initials dont appear on the bullet (standard procedure for the chain of evidence to mark the bullet with initials) so the bullet becomes null as a piece of evidence.
unkleted 3 years ago
You see those "?" at the end of a sentence?
I'm asking you a question.
YOU say Tomlinson said he saw one type of bullet on 11/22 and another type later on. (without you citing it,fine) So, I guess you feel that the planted bullet was REPLANTED later on....YES or NO?
And really, your contorting yourself with this devil's advocate bluffing. Do you think the bullet was planted to frame Oswald? YES or NO?
If yes, I'll repost the threshold questions that you need answer.
pajasa62 3 years ago
I have no idea if it has been replanted or not, I'm claiming it has a weak chain of evidence that would have some trouble in a court of law, as specter himself said CE-399's bone fides were "subject to later proof," which to some CT'ers he never truly did.
unkleted 3 years ago
The idea of a bullet planted on a stretcher to frame LHO is LAUGHABLE.
Sure, sounds fun...but how could plotters figure that a bullet fired at that velocity barely penetrate (not the target - JFK, but someone else) Connally, have Dr./nurses in place to "cooperate" FOREVER, be prepared to replace it, not in the easier to control/discover LIMO, but a stretcher. But not have the conspirator who planted it, ALSO FIND IT! THEN not have someone to take it from Tomlinson who had to "shop it around"?
pajasa62 3 years ago
Please enlighten me to how Dr/nurses are cooperating. The Limo was taken away cleaned and refitted, (if there was a conspiracy) they could have known that would happen and know not to plant a bullet in the Limo. The stretchers would have been cleaned and be used again so the bullet was going to get found at some point and seeing as the president died there, chances are it would find its way to the police.
unkleted 3 years ago
Dr/nurses would HAVE to cooperate,if the bullet would have been found, but that's how childish and unthoughtout this "planted bullet" nonsense is.
Again: how would conspirators know that a bullet fired at 2000 ft/second barely penetrate an UNINTENDED target? Be able to anticipate it falling out? Be prepared to replace it? And the "cleaning the limo" you brought up is just an added contradiction to this silly "theory".
pajasa62 3 years ago
Why do they have to cooperate? They did not find the bullet.
Seeing as you are determined to put words in my mouth about a planted bullet, ill play along with by asking about how there is a photo of the evidence sent to washington which shows a fragment of a bullet, about the size of a dime which came from connolly, yet the bullet found does not have a fragment that large missing.
How is cleaning the limo a contradiction to this silly "theory"
unkleted 3 years ago
"fragment of a bullet, about the size of a dime"
Your beautiful...the circumference of a 6.5mm isn't even the size of a dime....you're looking at an enlargement!
"How is cleaning the limo a contradiction of the theory"
Obviously, when you imply that conspirators are cleaning the limo- that's the logical progression...Why WOULDN"T they plant it there? or just say "Hey, look what I found!"
Just the insane idea of calculating BEFORE that a bullet is going to barely penetrate someone is silly.
pajasa62 3 years ago
"Your beautiful" thank you.
"the circumference of a 6.5mm isn't even the size of a dime" So you have never heard of a bullet flattening out when it hits something solid, eg bone?
So when they cleaned the Limo ,they find 5 peices of bullets, i take it you claim they all came from one bullet? That just went through the head, while one that caused 7 wounds all stayed in one piece? The bullet that supposedly shattered connally's rib and broke his wrist after it had gone through Kennedy
unkleted 3 years ago
When someone respected like Dr. Michael Baden says the only way for the "magic bullet" to be flattened at the base ON ONLY ONE SIDE was "highly improbable" by anything but it being fired and striking an object WHILE TUMBLING that you ignore, that doesn't count.
And they didn't put the limo through a car wash, they removed the visible bloody mess.
Go to Ford's theatre...Lincoln's coat has its sleeve and lining ragged cut by souvenir hunters blood stains...have fun with that one!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Dr Braden that said "Where bungled autopsies are concerned,President Kennedys is the exemplar." Which according to what you said in an earlier statement puts him in the CT camp. So the flattening occured when it hit the rib or the wrist or did it just happen to hit those bones in exactly same are of the bullet.
I never said it went through a car wash a car wash doesnt find 5 pieces of bullets in the limo.
If you want to pay for my flight to the USA to go to the theatre then ty.
unkleted 3 years ago
Just to clarify Dr. Baden statement, he was largely referring to the fact that Dr. Hume did not know that Dr. Perry at Parkland obliterated the exit wound at the throat when he performed the tracheotomy.
Pardon my almost nit-picking at Connally's words before they reach the underpass but according to a '64 TV interview he quoted Roy Kellerman saying to the driver Greer "get out of the line" and then to the lead pack of motorcycle cops, "we're hit, get us to a hospital".
pajasa62 3 years ago
To be honest with you, i picked up the stuff about what connally heard from a website about 30 mins before i posted, i tried to find it again but when you look at alot of sites you kind of lose track. I had to do quite a bit of digging to try and keep up with your points. Its scary the amount of stuff out there and how much is nonsense.
unkleted 3 years ago
Pardon my nit-picking
why? you seem to have that market cornered you hypocritical slandering piece of shit.If oswald was my dad...you would have met him by now
kubrickfan21 2 years ago
I'm answering all your question...without much comeback from you (I might add).
Let ME ask YOU a question.
How many people do you think were involved in this conspiracy of yours (plotters, shooters, recuiters to insure Oswald was framed as a lone gunman and the people involved to maintain a coverup)?
How many?
pajasa62 3 years ago
about a dozen.....but i dont know all the logistics to covering a shooting....
migo53333 3 years ago
"About a dozen" to cover a conspiracy?
See that's the problem with a conspiracy regarding JFK. You say 12?... 12 wouldn't cover the Warren Commission, it's staff lawyers and researchers ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the Dallas police ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the teams of doctors in YES 3 cities ALONE! 12 wouldn't cover the "sleeping" media (conspiracists always claim) ALONE.
In order to prove a conspiracy, you have to ask COULD THERE BE a conspiracy. Look at my endless list of the HISTORY!
pajasa62 3 years ago
LIST: Secret Service, FBI, Warren Commission w/ staff lawyers/ researchers, Dallas police, 3 teams of doctors in 3 cities, New Orleans, Dallas media, national media, Kodak lab, handgun order house, rifle order house, post office, multiple eye/earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza, bus/ cab driver, multiple witnesses to Tippet shooting/ flight to theatre, Marina Oswald, the Paines, Wesley Frazier/ sister, Jack Ruby, strippers, Western Union employee.
Got questions on this, let me know....
pajasa62 3 years ago
what was the path of missed shot since it was fired up at top of incline, definitely had to be a steeper shot....
migo53333 3 years ago
"what was the path of missed shot since it was fired up at top of incline, definitely had to be a steeper shot...."
That's a litle to ambiguous for me to decipher...what do you mean?
pajasa62 3 years ago
first shot happened at top of incline after 110 degree turn, seems top me like thats a pretty steep shot since the close proximity to TSBD....
migo53333 3 years ago
whaen did the missed shot take place,,,wasnt it right after they made the left turn? the point im trying to make is that the TSBD shooter would have been shooting down at a steep angle..how did it hit Tague in cheek way down at over pass area?
migo53333 3 years ago
The first shot was fired at frame 160 of the Zapruder film, yes a very steep shot, but you could very nearly draw a straight line from the 6th flr.nest, the car and where Tague was standing. A richochet is a richochet, but that's a hell of a coincidence where Tague was standing.
What do you think of my list of people it would take to keep the conspiracy intact? Remember my list DOESN'T include shooters, people with a motive to kill or recruiters.
pajasa62 3 years ago
how many people are still alive?
migo53333 3 years ago
while your at it checkout understanding the kennedy Assasination...and your reply concerning the Tague riccochet doesnt add up with the angle of trajectory..the first shot was a miss and had to be shot at very steep angle through tree branches....you also always pass on rapid succession of second and third shots....
migo53333 3 years ago
daltex shooter....first miss that skipped down the road right towards Tague......
migo53333 3 years ago
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Watch the Dicovery Channel tonight, they are replaying it's broacast at 1 a.m. EST. Gary Mack supervised the most anatomically correct reshooting of the headshot every with everything to precision.
Want to know what they say?...VERBATIM of what I said 2 days ago..."That Hargis rode into the matter"...and they interview Hargis!
AND, they recreated the grassyknoll shot (useing 2 different types of ammo) Their conclusion...NO WAY!
They recreate the 6th flr. shot...Perfect! JUST PERFECT!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Sure you DON'T want to debate! Your knowledge is limited to conspiracy books, yet of course you start yapping about "research"!
"Oswald's gun was non-functional" - Like the gun wasn't test-fired after!
"No witness to Oswald fleeing Tippet" - Duuhh! Markam and Calloway ID'd him in a lineup, Benevides and 2 others picked up the shells that match his gun "to the exclusion of all others"!
"Cops wanted Oz to flee so they could kill him" - He was paraded around repeatedly for the media BY POLICE!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Oswald took a taxi to Oak Cliff. It was someone else who killed Tippit. Oswald was told by Ruby to be at the theater and collect his pay for letting the kill-team into the Depository and helping them build the 'sniper's nest.' Witnesses saw him in the 2nd floor lunchroom as of 12:15 and afterward. Cops at the theater were planning to kill him, but there were too many witnesses.His discription went over the cop radio before Tippit was killed. Idea was to kill him at the Depository just after JFK
reelanrock 3 years ago
So tell us, with all the witnesses that ID'd Oswald in the Tippet shooting, flight w/ gun in hand, the same gun that he pulled on cops in the theatre (and of course the cops DIDN'T kill him in the theatre even though he tried to shoot Officer MacDonald) would Oswald be stupid enough to hand off his gun (to someone no one else saw!) and flee the building that quickly?
What you posted was utter NONSENSE!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Don't want to debate you cyber-folk, but eyewitnesses said two men shot Tippit, neither of whom looked like Oswald. Cops couldn't kill him in the theater because there were too many witnesses. His gun was non-functional, bent pin. No witness ID'd Oswald fleeing Tippit scene. What I posted was gospel, my man. You have sucked up propaganda. You need to do a tad of research and avoid MSM lies.I'm too busy to engage in cyber-debate. Cops wanted Oz to flee so they could kill him. But he didn't.
reelanrock 3 years ago
why did witnesses to the theater arrest hear an officer say, "so you shot the president?" or something like that....and what about roger craigs story....yeah he sounds like a real flake...
migo53333 3 years ago
I don't know the quote or where you're going w/ it. However one quote that WAS reported by TV and radio on Nov. 22 was Oswald saying upon being arrested "I killed a President, a cop, now if I could only get a few more"
Did the Warren Commission use that quote? NO! Did the arresting cops (who conspiracy theorists think had a role) verify that statement? NO! It was some jerk looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
BUT if the Warren Commission/ cops were part of a plot, why wouldn't they use it?
pajasa62 3 years ago
sorry again mr. pajasa, if this is true it would have been out, and case would be completely closed....
migo53333 3 years ago
I left 3 posts and you left 2 vague sentences....what are you talking about?
pajasa62 3 years ago
Mr. Pajasa, explain to me how motorcycle cop hargas was hit with blood and brain matter with great force, if he was riding to the left rear of kennedy???
migo53333 3 years ago
Remember the blood and brain matter weren't traveling WITH the car....Hargas simply drove into the spray.
pajasa62 3 years ago
do you know how slow they were going when the head shot took place...
migo53333 3 years ago
Re: Roger Craig, try to find someone that didn't try to personally profit or that could say things that stood up to facts.
The Paine station was accounted for.
Oswald had a bus transfer on him stamped by the driver's individual hole punch design. He & LHO's old landlady saw him on the bus.
With the media not only admitted into, but SEALED in TSBD, in 45 years of the WFAA-TV's Alyea film, with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has EVER pointed out it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
pajasa62 3 years ago
keep believing the lies...mr. pajasa....keep believing the lies....
migo53333 3 years ago
Did craig profit from this????
migo53333 3 years ago
Sure Craig profited. In addition to the documentary interviews (one of which is on Youtube where they disgracefully block the clear image of the rifle PROVING it was a Mannlicher Carcano, with his picture) He wrote a book called "Forgive My Grief".
Though I admit he wasn't as bad as Jean Hill who writes a book, clearly in conjunction with Oliver Stones stupid movie, suddenly had a resurgence of memory 28 years later and saw a shooter, a "puff of smoke" and a bullet whizzing past her.
pajasa62 3 years ago
well let me add this ...my son in law works for the FBI and he is in the psychological end of things, he is known as a lie expert..i had him watch the craig film and he said that the man is not lying.....he gives him a 99%, which means if he was a suspect or something, he would be let go...
migo53333 3 years ago
I suugest Mr. Pajasa, that you check out secret service interviews such as SS Kinney,who was in follow up carand says the shot succession was...as he says "pow.........pow...pow" hmmm.....
migo53333 3 years ago
I notice you never touch base on parkland doctors responses about the throat wound being an entrance wound, and then they made traceotemy cut on this entrance hole....exp
migo53333 3 years ago
I don't know when you asked me that, but...
again your dealing with an early false report (something CTers cling to because they have nothing else)
The Parkland doctors were there to try to restore JFK's vital signs, period. As Malcolm Perry said on CBS-TV in '67, "We had no reason to turn him over...if a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little difference to us...we weren't concerned with how this happened or why". continued...
pajasa62 3 years ago
Ive got news for you, when doctors get gun wound victims they always for reporting reasons identify exits and entrances....in order to determine damage status.....
migo53333 3 years ago
I'm curious, am I talking to myself here?
It was a TRAUMA ROOM, they were working in desperation to restore JFK's vital signs. You act like he was having a yearly physical. Again, they made no attempt and had no reason to ascertain trajectory.
At least read my posts.
pajasa62 3 years ago
trauma room or no trauma room, any doctor would make these observations, any doctor, and in a big city these doctors see many,many gunshot victims and can identify them at a drop...which brings me to my next point.....many of these texan men who heard the shots grew up hunting and shooting guns...they know gun fire and direction...
migo53333 3 years ago
Yes, well this IS a difference between a trauma room and a doctors office. You pass it off as nothing and then take on this laughable assumption that these "big city" doctors are all hunters and every shooting is the same.
pajasa62 3 years ago
find out how many shooting victims enter the emergency room at parkland every year...or in any big city...you are so off the mark, or an excellent sidestepper.....and if its not in the warren report it couldnt have happened.......pretty sad, how many close minded people still exist in this society, fortunately you are in the minority...
migo53333 3 years ago
Part II. Exit wounds are not automatically larger, something has to cause the wound to be larger. Either the bullet has to be deformed before passing through OR it has to start tumbling before passing through.
What also matters is the velocity (2000+ feet/second in this case), construction of the bullet (full-jacketed in this case) and what it hit (soft muscle in this case).
The Parkland doctors DID NOT attempt to figure trajectory, they were rushing to save JFK's life.
pajasa62 3 years ago
again, throat wound stated to be entrance by many doctors...tracheotomy was performed over the wound... oh and this is the same wound that was caused by the magic bullett, you know, the one that passed out of Kennedy, went through connelly and struck "BONE" Hard tissue, and somehow came out in excellent shape.....
migo53333 3 years ago
who at parkland probed kennedys back wound with their finger and found that it went no where.......or was that made up also.....
migo53333 3 years ago
NO ONE at Parkland did this. NO ONE.
At Bethesda they had no reason to know ahead of time that Perry cut through the wound (common practice). A piece of thread wasn't inserted into JFK's neck, a TUBE was.
What was Perry going to do? Fax Dr. Hume about his futile attempt? Bethesda was chosen by Jackie Kennedy DURING the flight on Air Force 1 because JFK was a naval officer instead of Walter Reed Medical.
pajasa62 3 years ago
what dont you get here??? entrance wound as compared to exit wound..this is huge...the warren commision labeled it an exit wound because of its size......but it was made larger to insert the freakin tube....doctor "entrance wound to throat....ooooooohhh, wait a minute!! this contradicts the Warren Report....
migo53333 3 years ago
Again you use an early report to "justify" this. The Parkland doctors could not tell if it were an exit or entrance. I made two 500-word posts on this. Perry admittedly ASSUMED it was an entrance wound because they had no reason to turn JFK over "If a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little differene to us....we had no time to concern ourselves as to how this happened or why".
pajasa62 3 years ago
it DOESNT FREAKIN MATTER that the doc wasnt concerned about how!!!!! its the fact that in his statement and many others, it was called an ENTRANCE FREAKIN WOUND, and these doctors are expert at gun wounds........man....
migo53333 3 years ago
Malcolm Perry CBS-TV 1967. "The determination of entrance and exit wounds requires the assertation of trajectory...the difference between the two is generally determined in a disparity in sizes...If it is a full-jacketed bullet however the caliber on entrance and exit can often be the same, and without defamation of the bullet and without tumbling, even the trained observer might have trouble distinguishing the two." Perry readily admitted on TV that he incorrectly assumed it was an entrance.
pajasa62 3 years ago
ohh gee, another witness who changed his story..wow that seems to be an ongoing pattern in this case....
migo53333 3 years ago
Talk about comparing apples and oranges! How can you bring in the same breath comparison to someone admitting candidly the sober, hard truth of an event in their attempt to save someones life, to those CLOWNS like Holland, Jean Hill, Arnold, Hoffman, etc. ALL who change their stories (for financial gains) or were "outed" as frauds!....your silence on what I said about Roger Craig is deafening.
pajasa62 3 years ago
Here's a couple of other early reports on 11/22/63 for you to salivate over...JFK standing when shot, Secret Service agent killed in Dealey Plaza, JFK transfered to Parkland by ambulance (Dan Rather) or A BUS (NBC-TV), LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack, "JFK's lips moving at a normal rate of speed" on arrival at Parkland (Sen. Yarborough),a British 303 rifle used (WFAA-radio), 2-3000 angry people gathered outside Texas Theatre, Tippet slain in shootout at theatre, Oswald arrested with a shotgun on him.
pajasa62 3 years ago
this means nothing...what your saying is that because there are flaky people on this planet then there cant be a legit conspiracy.....there are conspiracies going on as we speak...bad argument....
migo53333 3 years ago
"there are conspiracies going on as we speak...bad argument"
BAD ARGUMENT? Point to the fact that yes, there are conspiracies, so ipso facto, there's a JFK conspiracy? Yep, I agree, bad argument.
pajasa62 3 years ago
there was definately a JFK conspiracy, and i answered your Craig inquirery, my son in law is with the fbi out of scranton...he is whats called a liar expert...he watched the craig interview and told me he is 99% sure craig is telling the truth....
migo53333 3 years ago
"my son in law is with the fbi out of scranton...he is whats called a liar expert...he watched the craig interview and told me he is 99% sure craig is telling the truth"
Let alone the "FBI out of Scranton", to be engage in a discussion/debate with someone and use THAT, (as if you have something with it) is a total JOKE!
You really should go to one of those JFK/Sci-fi conventions with crap like that, where everyone is trying to outdo each other, pretending to be "researchers & students" of it.
pajasa62 3 years ago
Prior to scranton, he was in LA, New york and DC...I dont pretend anything mr. pajasas, your the one pretending conspiracies dont exist...now THATS funny...
migo53333 3 years ago
Look my friend, you sound like you are out of ammunition on the subject....Your talking about "Donnie Brasco" and "liar experts" (whatever that is).
Maybe you should have your son-in law go to Michael Griffith's conspiracy site where he has Ruth Paine's WKRLD interview of 11/63...OH WAIT, the ONLY THING excluded from that interview is Wes Wise asking her about Oswald's involvement in a conspiracy...this on a site that PROMOTES conspiracy....we do find out though that Oswald liked potatoes.
pajasa62 3 years ago
your the one ,Mr. Pajasas who has nothing but official WC answers, you dont want to hear about conspiracy, because you cant handle that it exists...and i notice you pick and choose what you respond to..kind of like the warren commission ignoring certain events that occurred.....
migo53333 3 years ago
Yep, just flip what's going on here.
I'm citing interviews of recorded video and audio of the history of the event, YOUR talking about body language WITHOUT reference to examples how the person in question acts otherwise....REAL scientific.
Like everyone that tells a lie is scratching themselves, twitching or has eyes darting back and forth....give me a brake...this is your EVIDENCE?
Do you know who Gordon Liddy was/is?
ANYTHING, anything that seems to work for a point, just don't think.
pajasa62 3 years ago
do i know who Liddy is.....NOOOOOO i just went to hear him speak at St. Johns University because there was nothing on the TV...now your going to say he was a flake...which yes he was eccentric, but he was brilliant and knows the inside track of this society.....do you know who Jack Anderson is????
migo53333 3 years ago
My verbage was "liar expert", its a branch of the behavioral science unit at the FBI in Quantico Virginia, this is probably over your head, but theres science out there that is developing, they can tell if your lying by body actions, eye movement etc, Im very proud of my son in law, however i guess since he isnt mentioned in the WC hes not legit..........
migo53333 3 years ago
Your the one calling Roger Craig a liar...how can you call him a liar....
migo53333 3 years ago
I'll repost what I wrote earlier.
His 2 "things" were Oswald getting in station wagon & the Mauser crap.
The Paine station wagon was accounted for.
Oswald had a bus transfer on him stamped by the driver's individual hole punch design. He & LHO's old landlady saw him on the bus.
With the media not only admitted into, but SEALED in TSBD, in 45 years of the WFAA-TV's Alyea film, with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has EVER pointed out it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
pajasa62 3 years ago
OH and by the way, the columnist Mr. G Liddy was talking about was Jack Anderson, when he realized the threat against his life was real, he backed down.....i wonder how many people backed down in the JFK case???
migo53333 3 years ago
Your wondering how many back down because the number is zero, BUT in Jim Garrison case, when he did bribe & intimidate people to "firm up" his case against Clay Shaw, people from all walks of life came forth. That is not CT speculation, but FACT. NBC had a '67 program where turkish bath owners, gays, a former hooker & inmates all UNPAID by the network told their stories. The most telling was William Gurvich, Garrisons lead investigator, that quit because of "his illegal and unethical" practices.
pajasa62 3 years ago
how many people died prematurely, or under mysterious circumstances that were connected in some way to the JFK hit.....he was wacked from two differnt directions, a classic crossfire, done expertly i might add, you can believe the opposite, your in the minority...ive talked to many brilliant people in high positions, who dont woder if it was a hit, they know it was a hit, but there are many like you who dont want to accept this reality....its called closeminded
migo53333 3 years ago
"how many people died prematurely, or under mysterious circumstances"
The whole thrust behind this was a London Times article giving the odds...a article which was RETRACTED because it was statically inaccurate! Instead of the accurate: the odds of 15 people dying within a given period of time in (say) the Warren Commission index...they initally gave the silly "the odds of these 15 NAMED DEAD people out of the ENTIRE US population dying within a given period"...a statistical joke.
Continued...
pajasa62 3 years ago
Part II. That list you speak of is so padded it's a joke, it even includes Oswald, Tippet and Ruby! It includes Oswald's housekeeper an old lady that had a heart attack...it includes ONE of Ruby's lawyer, also heart attack, it includes the BROTHER of Benevides that recovered the shells that tied Oswald to the Tippet- killed by a drinking buddy THAT CONFESSED! ETC,etc...others dying YEARS after!
You know what should give you reason to pause? The importance of the people that WEREN'T on the list!
pajasa62 3 years ago
Keep believing the cover; live in your happy bubble where people in power could never possibly pull something like this off....Ha ha ha........it only happens in James Bond flicks...goodnight pajasas and have happy rainbow dreams...................
migo53333 3 years ago
Who are you to make a claim that the number of people was zero...how do you make these claims...who are you? captain know everything? What about Liddys lecture I attended, it points to elements within having the character to kill; conspiratorially i might add...and all you do is ask, "do you know who Liddy is"?
migo53333 3 years ago
I said the London Times odds was statisically INACCURATE to the point THEY retracted the whole thing....I'm citing there sober assessment.
"elements within to have the character to kill"
Do you mean like Oswald?...photographed with the guns holding a communist newspaper that reads "Be Militant" on it...or his 1st New Orleans radio interview when he says "revolutions require sacrifice"...or his attempt on General Walker on 4/10/63...is that what you mean?
pajasa62 3 years ago
Ive watche dozens of interviews and no one mentions jim Garrison...you bring him up because of the inaccuracies of his investigation...check out, Dr. Shaw- Bullett still in leg...
migo53333 3 years ago
You Tube: Dr. Shaw- bullett still in leg....very interesting, or maybe another expert who doesnt know what he is talking about...Ha Ha Ha
migo53333 3 years ago
"Dr. Shaw- bullett still in leg"
Another nonsense conspiracy theorist attempt that you can't back up.
Dr. Shaw was a thoracic surgeon & did not operate on the thigh.
So how does it play out, migo5333?
Given the high profile of the event & the stretcher bullet, do you feel that Shaw, the surgeons that handled the wound, Connally's attending physicians, the nurses, John Connally himself and his wife Nellie were a part on the conspiracy coverup? Did they all just "forget" to mention it?
pajasa62 3 years ago
how is that bullett on stretcher in such good shape.....
migo53333 3 years ago
excuse me Mr. Pajasa but connelly feels that he was hit with a seperate bullett and his wife feels that Oswald did it....how about all the medical staff that said he had a major wound to the back of his head???
migo53333 3 years ago
DUUHHH...he was shot in the back of the head.
And that Connally comment was referring to the possibilty of being hit by THE FIRST SHOT...Geez you are easy.
pajasa62 3 years ago
I have no reason to disbelieve Dr. Shaw...you speak of him like you knew him personally, like your comments about any witnesses, you basically claim they are all flakes and weirdos, because they dare to give their testimony of what they saw, sure youre going to have a few nuts try to jump in on the action, but sorry bud, not all of them...
migo53333 3 years ago
the autopsy sketches do not show a large wound at the rear...they show a small bullet hole and the front right side of his head blown off with the skull flapped over....the doctors all said no wound in front right and large wound in back of head....
migo53333 3 years ago