Marxism, National Socialism and Juche are left-wing brothers

[wowpapa]

Uhh where to start? The racial purity guidelines imposed by the Nazis would have been considered counterrevolutionary by Lenin. Look at his words about Jews. Also the propaganda is similar to the Soviets because the Bolsheviks were masters at it and were copied everywhere. And I do not believe Marx was referring to actual Racial genocide given the facts that he was a Jew himself.

[rodasnepervilo]

National socialism is very much the only "extreme right-wing" there is beyond nacionalism itself.

[rodasnepervilo]

Socialism is not left nor right, socialist is about the structure of the society, like being monarch or republican.

[sanik00]

Gregor Strasser wanted to nationalize everything, including the big banks. They wanted interest rate limits and expropriation of large bank-holdings ( this was Bolshevism and financial suicide for the Nazi party) . The State under Hitler only Nationalized business, corporations and companies that did not advance the goals of the Reich. Companies that built weapons and other armaments such as IG Farben, BMW, Krupp and Daimler - Benz remained private as they were aiding the Reich.

[sanik00]

The only reason why Rohm was killed was because he wanted to revolutionize everything. Rohm wanted the Reichwehr disbanded which could have lead Hindenburg to act upon Hitler. Hitler needed the armies support, but also felt that their traditions were lacking revolutionary spirit. Never the less, he decided limiting the SA and annexing them into the SS which was a smart move.

[sanik00]

Yes it is true Hitler was not a fan of Marxism Socialism, although Marx did influence him in his readings. Hitler disagreed with him on the Marxist Socialism and Communist Internationalism, while Hitler was a proud German and thus adhered to Nationalism. National Socialism is Socialism, but not the Marxist Socialism we know today.

[hydromorphineIV]

@Socialismo1988 Lol your a brilliant one right enough. Gewt off the fucking glue for fuck sakes.

[LKaramazov]

@GasMasterBagelWaffen Are you sure, in The Devils disciples the Author swears Strasser was sympathetic to the unions and wanted to destroy capitalism. That National Socialism in the North where he was popular was NOT anti- Semitic as much as it was anti- capitalist, and that he and Goebbels were initially anti- capitalist down the line. How hard did Strasser try to "destroy" National Socialism, didnt he reject an offer to become Vice Chancelor?

[LKaramazov]

@GasMasterBagelWaffen So whats the difference between you and the Stalinists? Stalin thought that the Russians were the natural leaders of the other nationalities. Was he a National Socialist?

[LKaramazov]

@GasMasterBagelWaffen Hitler may have started out with some left wing leanings, but seeing that he needed the rich, didn't he flip? Out of all of the groups he sent to the camps, I never remember reading about the rich being one of them.

[mirarostodo]

K.Marx wanted as all the people of his Jewish race, exterminate the Slavs, the Germans(which he despised as well-all Ashkenazim Jewry hated Germans) and substitute true Europeans with Semitic Jews, centralizing the economies of all these countries in Europe, under the power of Jewish bankers. There is a K.Marx that most people do not know. NS was the antidote to this eminent dangerous plague. Lenin was not Slavic Russian, but of Khazarian Jewish ancestry.

[sanik00]

@Iisdabest889

Yeah, but then what about the "fascist" element as well? does that not have a part to play in it? Was Nazi Germany more Fascist or Socialist?

[filipjovanovic1]

@sanik00 Nazi Germany was way more facist. They had no socialist elements

[Iisdabest889]

@sanik00 Clearly, Germany was way more fascist. Only fascism has clear socialist elements to it which make people believe Germany was JUST socialist.

[sanik00]

@Iisdabest889

I don't understand. National Socialism is not Fascism, and it is not Marxist Socialism (" Normal Socialism" ) National Socialism is National Socialism , it is it's own political ideology. Although it does have some elements of Fascism, it isn't. It has many socialistic aspects to it. like i said below in previous comments.

If you disagree, elaborate how it's pure Fascism because you wrote "how anyone could think Nazism is right wing is beyond me."

[sanik00]

@Iisdabest889

Oh my bad i was only comparing people ( Strasser and Rohm), I didn't write any examples on how National Socialism was left wing on this vid ;P

[NatComFront]

National Communists (Which includes Juche) are definitely brothers with the revolutionary faction of National Socialism. That faction includes Otto Strasserr, Gregor Strasser and Ernst Roehm. We're united in our love of the nation, and want to bring about socialist revolution.

[Knowtheylikeme]

what i always sayd dangit !

[russ9356]

GOD I HATE COMMIES THEY SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT

[darkredyanderelord]

By the way soviet russia and nazi germany werent the first socialist countrys...

[gonzopoet00]

There is a solution to humanities woes and it won't be found in authoritarian regimes. Left-wing? Right-wing? It doesn't matter which hand they use shackle you. Fucking tools.

[Ninosestelares]

Göbells probably said that only to appeal to the marxist workers assembled in the hall. They needed to appeal to marxist doctrine so they could turn german workers into national socialist workers. Anyone who reads Mein Kampf or any other National socialist cannon book would certainly know that there huge differences between marxist socialism and national socialism.

[hydromorphineIV]

@iunno2222 I didnt say killing in war was inhumane at all. But how in the name of fuck anyone can justify what the fascists did is well beyond me. As for the nazis they had no more in common with the socialists then the US or any other allied forces did. So if i can shoot rabbits then i can shoot fascists?

[hydromorphineIV]

@iunno2222 I don't call anything the nazi remigme did socialist. They where fascist in origin and capitilist so no there not socialist. Also i don't call killing off your own people because you consider them to be impure or not aryan or whatever bullshit as socialist at all and definetely not marxist.

[montecarlomick]

In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated.- Adolf Hitler, Mien kampf hardly a leftist is he.

essp when your political views are based on Nationalism, race, class, genetics and religion

[Scorpitarios]

National socialism is marxist socialism in a fascist cloak. Yeah, there are differences to "traditional" socialism, just as maoism differs from stalinism. They are all deviations of the same core ideology. But if one looks further than just the phenotypical/superficial differences,it becomes apparent that the basic structures of these ideologies are the same. The "Volksgemeinschaft" for example is basically an analogon to the classless society.

[BrauneJuche]

@Scorpitarios

Correct.

[Scorpitarios]

@BrauneJuche Unfortunately, many traditional marxists often swim in ideological superficialities and cling to literal dogmatism. They point out some minor differences and believe, that they made a point in labelling national socialism as not being socialist but capitalism (which it isn't), while at the same time ignoring the vast similarities of both systems. Interestingly, they don't play this game between stalinism and maoism to disprove one as not being socialist.

Orwellian doublethink, yes.

[BrauneJuche]

@Scorpitarios

Ha ha ha, very true. Stupid fags eh?

[Scorpitarios]

@BrauneJuche Yes, they are. :)

You know, this breed usually lacks the ability of analytical and abstract thinking, so they have cling to a pre-fabricated dogma in order to appear smart, while in fact they aren't. :)

[hydromorphineIV]

@Scorpitarios I hate what Stalin did to pervert marxism even more then i hate what Mao did. Stalinism did alot more damage to international socialism then any capitilist ot fascist could ever hope to achieve. But his system of government was set up on the structure of fascism as in one ruler and all powerful one which is fascism not marxism at all. Deeds speak much louder then words.

[hydromorphineIV]

@BrauneJuche Incorrect. The nazis hated Marxism and everything it stood for. Also Stalinism was basically a fascist idea cloaked as a communist one. Stalinism was one ruler over a very authoritarian government which is a right wing fascist idea. National socialism in the sense of the nazi term is not socialist at all. Anyone with a brain knows that nazis where just ultra right wing fascists who were antisemitic, anti-Marxist and well just a few bricks shy of a full load.

[BrauneJuche]

@hydromorphineIV

Fuck off. Stalin's Socialism in One Country was very left-wing. There's Bonapartist, Hegelian and Nazi Socialism, too, so fuck your trostkyite shit! By the way, Karl Marx was anti-jewish when he wrote "On The Jewish Question". Engels was pro Germanization in his writings. You don't confuse anyone with your OWL faced Trotsky and Luxemburg.

[hydromorphineIV]

@BrauneJuche Too bad i am not a Trotskyist then lol. Stalin just perverted the Russian revolution for his own ends and did more damage to Marxism then any fascist ever could.

[hydromorphineIV]

National socialism under the term that the nazis used had nothing at all to do with socialism. So the idiots got it only half right lol. It was also a fascist idea and thus not left wing at all but extreem to the right. Hitler hated all things socialist, communist, marxist and bolshevik. The half brain even said so himself and called them "jewish" in origin. So really how anybody could link nazism with socialism is beyond me.

[BrauneJuche]

@hydromorphineIV

Yeah, because you are a fucking politically correct FOOL like Trotsky and Luxemburg and Adam Smith. And you sound like some red-kike yourself.

[hydromorphineIV]

@BrauneJuche Bahaha im not a jew at all in fact im Irish but a socialist none the less. Also you using the term fag just shows you to be rather insecure maybe in your masculenity yourself or perhaps your just a homophobic cunt of the highest order. Oh and im not gay either in case your wondering and i fully believe in the right to bear arms so i am essentially the capitilists biggest nightmare.

[chiudinj]

@hydromorphineIV The point of the video is that fascism has more in common with what is considered traditional socialism. Hitler hated Marxists not for what they believe but for what they claimed to desire to accomplish which is a revolution that rewards the proletariat the ability to control the means of production. Hitler, a rabid racist and nationalist, feared that any action of that type would bring about the end of the German nation-state. What example do you have they leaned right?

[Iisdabest889]

@hydromorphineIV Only those who study history make the link. Socialism is defined as state or worker control of the means of production.

The Nazi government controlled the means of production, set wages, set prices, production targets, etc even though it was under private ownership.

Stalin did the exact same only it was public ownership.

Socialism is a "left wing" ideology, racist or not, hence how anyone could think Nazism is right wing is beyond me.

[LKaramazov]

@Iisdabest889 Interesting comments here, but can you explain why Hitler did not repress the wealthy? Didnt he work closely with them, allow them to keep much of their money and land. The left wing of the Nazi party was often frustrated by Hitlers refusal to nationalize estates if I remember correctly. Isn't class warfare the one non negotiable of Marxism? Wasn't Rohm killed in large part for advocating the Second revolution?

[Iisdabest889]

@LKaramazov Marxism isn't what defines leftism, but it is a left wing ideology. It's true Hitler did not suppress the wealthy, but Hitler said that he insisted on preserving private property so that private individuals could use their initiative to benefit the state. If they didn't they were nationalized (IE unproductive land was seized by government, big businessmen were told what to do with their profits, etc). So the wealthy could keep their money so long as they did what the government...

[Iisdabest889]

@LKaramazov ...told them to do with it. So essentially we see the government exercising the powers of ownership, even though the wealth is "owned" privately.

Class collaboration is advocated by many progressives and social democrats, and other people on the left advocate class warfare. The left wing of the party was purged, but so were many conservative figures at the same time.

Hitler was no marxist, but neither was Stalin.

[hydromorphineIV]

@Iisdabest889 I always say the nazis where half right in that they got the nationalist part right atleast. It was just fascism with even more nationalism and antisemitism thrown in.

[Iisdabest889]

@hydromorphineIV The difference between fascism and Nazism is that under Fascism people work towards empowering the state, which is rather vague and ambiguous, but usually comes to mean the people/the collective of one nation.

The corporate state was meant to allow collective control of industry, but with the government direction production. Whereas under Nazism there was less organization of the economy, but strong government control (particularly of big business).

[Iisdabest889]

@hydromorphineIV Also under Nazism the difference between the 'state' and the party was rather blurry.

[BrauneJuche]

@hydromorphineIV

Did you notice that the supposed "historians" and intellectuals who claim NS is right-wing mostly come from a jewish family tree? That's the very interesting thing about this propaganda.

[hydromorphineIV]

@BrauneJuche Do you notice that everyone coming up with anti-communist, pro fascist ideas and the Jews own the world conspiracies are antisemitic? That's very interesting don't you think?

[darkredyanderelord]

@BrauneJuche Dont find more ironical that many of the historians and itelectuals that claims that nazism and communism is the same mostly are form the united states of america. And more ironical that much of Nazbolshitis comre from the USA just like the neo-nazis... interesting... isnt?

[dmfc593]

@hydromorphineIV People link Fascism with socialism because it was socialism just conservative socialism as Klemens von Metternich an Austrian politician called it. At this time monarchists had begun to appropriate the term "socialist" as an antithesis of "bourgeois laissez-faire." It was a return to absolutism, there are many many types of socialism

[VictorLepanto]

I've always said, all one needs to do to see this connection is to study the iconography of the Nazis & Soviets. They are so obviously two bodies w/ one mind. As for Marx's "capitalist," he is only a kind of denatured version of the antisemites "greedy Jew." One only needs to read Marx's Judenfrage to see this. In Marxism: Jew = capitalist.

[MrReco12]

@VictorLepanto

Marx(Jew), Trotsky(Jew),Lenin(Jew), Rosa Luxemberg(Jew and the list goes on: Lenin was actaully one of the first leaders to denounce anti Semitism.

[DaHonestAbe]

Not even kinda close.

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf well... yes.

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf i mencion the whites???? no. Imperialims is in all types.

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf Well and the imperialism?

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf well thats fine. But USA in bush era was similar to a semi-facist regime,

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf fine... but juche is not the same as nazism.

[darkredyanderelord]

@FreiNemmersdorf america original import non whites for slavery. Learn some history.

[darkredyanderelord]

Juche is a socialist/comunist idiology, not a nacionalist/facist ideology.

And USA and Nazi germany are way too similar. example: 3:55.

[cooks1234]

if this is true why were some of the prisoners in the death camps communists why did hitler banned the communist party and go after marxists/communists among others

[IndividualAutonomy]

Geobbels was actually successful I beileve in the lenin hitler comparison contrary to what this video portrays. Additionally the National Socialists of Germany like any moment have internal conflict. There was a fight between the unemployed and lower classes that favored more worker control in production and the middle and upper classes that were more capitalists or for private ownership to various degrees.

[IndividualAutonomy]

The more capitalist elements won out later on and the more left wing element were either phased out like SA leader Roehm or were scolded by Hitler such as Geobbels. Hitler did this because many of the new donars were wealthy and the recent growth of the party in the 1930s was due to the middle and upper classes. Hitler himself was more concerned with the Jews than capitalism so he was fine with a heavy handed state capitalism.

[BrauneJuche]

@IndividualAutonomy

National SOCIALISM is not national Capitalism (Fascism / Puitnism)

[IndividualAutonomy]

@BrauneJuche

That is dependent on how you define capitalism and how far you stretch the definition. Same with socialism. Many anarcho capitalists for instance will you deny you can have capitalism with a state. However, it cannot be denied that the more capital oriented, hierarchical state known as the Führerprinzip wing won over the more socialist Strasserism wing of the party.

[EdT586]

Wow, finally a video that explains the truth of National-Socialism !

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Great video! 

[IPlayWithFire135]

@dogameel84

I'll reply in pm.

[IPlayWithFire135]

@dogameel84

What? There are no facts in front of me. Only cowardly bastardizations of what Marx and Engels actually said. You people seem to have no clue what "context" means.

[IPlayWithFire135]

Wrong. Marx was not anti-semitic. Those who interpret his work that way miss the whole point of On the Jewish Question. After all, Marx was jewish himself. Marx did not hate blacks either, at least no more than anyone else in his time. He even spent time in Africa to understand the culture there. Marx and Engels were more progressive than anyone else in their time.

[iownage4youi]

@IPlayWithFire135 "The god of the jews isn't Jahweh, but money"

-Karl Marx

"....Even dept his nine childeren."

-Marx in Brussels from Edward De Maesschalck

There is nothing jewish in The Communist Manifest, he's father was a lutherian and Marx and English were left-winged Hegelians. The rest of this video is dumb and the quote of Marx is a paradox with later works and lettres.

[yubarraboo]

The most interesting thing about national socialism and marx ideal of communism is that they both come directly from christianity.

Perhaps this explains the direct parallels between christian supremacists ideology (aka right wing christians) and communist and nazi history.

[BrauneJuche]

Hegel is the source. Hegel made Marx and Marx made Socialism. But Hegel wasn't a Christian. As for Hitler, he was influenced by both, Hegel and Marx, but also by Nietzsche, Wagner and Darwin. Not very christian if you ask me. Wagner, Nietzsche and Darwin are hated by the Church and so is Marx. Not sure about Hegel. But there was so-called "military Socialism" in America. The Movement is called Progressives and they were pro-christian like the KKK.

[yubarraboo]

@BrauneJuche

Haha your talking points are getting so jumbled. National socialism (in terms of NAZI ideology) is a direct opposition to marx ideas as they saw forming in other countries, and feared it in their own. It is funny watching this attempt to rewrite history.

[BrauneJuche]

Well, you don't mention that it's in fact postwar Marxists who have rewritten history and want people to think that Marx wasn't German and the Hitlerytes weren't marxist themselves to a certain degree. But without Marx and Engels and the popularization of Socialism, there wouldn't have been a National Socialist German Workers Party. We must base arguments on logic and science, not on "Fascism" theories.

[yubarraboo]

@BrauneJuche

Yes the marxists are everywhere, hiding under every bed-sheet and every bush. They have managed to rewrite every bit of recent history and cleanse all of the nazi party and adolph hitlers writings, even those spread throughout the world in every dusty libreary and attic.

Sure marxism effected national socialist ideology. That is where the opposition to marxism came from, the arrival of marxism.

There is no need claim they are all the same.

[BrauneJuche]

I said the Nazis were marxist themselves to a certain degree because they were Socialists as the name National Socialists implies. I didn't say that the Nazis were as leftist as an average Communist or Internationalist. They were to the right of Stalin's Soviets and proud Germans not taking shit from anyone.

[Guevarist]

Though I am an internationalist , this is a very interesting video ! 5 stars !