I still don't get why people care about boot times. 1 minute? 2 minutes? 3 minutes? Who gives a shit. What really matters is how the drive performs when you're working with it, not some boot times.
He's probably using sata 3gb/s cables and m/board instead of 6gb/s, also probably an older chipset. Also probably needs to enable AHCI and disable most of the startup progs, i bet he's got like 40 progs enabled to start when windows is starting. Also has he got enough stickers on the back of that laptop?
@thegreenleak Even if his motherboard only supported 1.5GB/s SATA links, 50 seconds is a ridiculous startup time. My MacBook Air (3GB/s SATA) boots in about 10 seconds, and I haven't done a fresh OS install since I got it over a year ago.
Thou shalt not defrag/re-install OS more than twice annually on SSD. You might as well keep overwriting a micro SD card. If you visit safe websites, keep installs barebones, you will never have this trouble. Dude, cheap/expensive SSDs work identical. Also, you said nothing about your tower's operating temps either. One overclocked component, or old fuck sharing your home with heat on 24/7 will sometimes kill solid state memory. OR maybe you let tower be dusty. Accountability: always smart.
SSD's are full of gotchas. If quick format doesn't fix the speed you could try writing it full of "FF" (insetad of 00) with a disk editor or "secure erase tool" before running creating partitions.
I have OS on HDD, run in legacy IDE mode, use sleep/hibernation, use MKLINK /D to relocate certain folders to SSD, like AppData, Windows/Assembly & wbem/repository & large apps. I used ProcMon to determine that these are most useful perf wise to have on SSD. These can be all relocated w/o reinstall.
@fourbarposer I'm replying to myself before anyone does: I'm not using AHCI because I extensively tested years ago it and found issues in the Intel AHCI OROM, the controller and the drivers. They may well be fixed by nowbut I won't be re-test it until I have Ivy Bridge because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and from my tests, the speed improvement from using AHCI on this older system was not worth it.
i boot into windows on a 7200 RPM HDD with in 20 seconds (Western Digital 1TB drive)
for me Space is more important than speed (i have 4 1Tb drives in this system) i would rather wait 1 to 2 mins for it to boot if needed than to have a 320GB ssd to boot in 5 seconds.
i just wish there was 1Tb SSD's out as that would be helpful with moving files round
@oldkidsjonge No... It does not matter where a file is located on an ssd as the access times are the same no matter on the file location. Mechanical Drives (HDD's) should be sorted in an order so that the data can be accessed in a faster way (reading head going over a mechanical platter takes time especially when it is disorganised (fragmented)).
There's the problem: you're using the express gate of your motherboard, you probably didn't fully format your hard drive, and you most likely didn't even buy a decent SSD. Please stop making videos.
Ahh shit! It takes like 50 seconds! Imagine what other kinds of social things u could do! Oh wait, u dont have anyone to do social things with, thats why ur being pathetic/frustrated to people who doesn't care about the time you lose with booting, which ur not going to spend usefull anyways.
Once i saw the alien ware sticker and apple sticker I stopped watching. Funny, such a guru with a Ustream Sticker doesn't have knowledge for a $20 cam that would own that one. Leave it for the pros kid.
@CodeComputerguy Ah come on, why are you digital guys always coming down on people in forums and the tube so bad? I appreciate everyone's contribution. It's easy to make fun of people or criticize them, but in fact 95% of us had nothing to do with the creation of all the technology, and we're just commenting on the sidelines. Respect people first, everyone does what they know and what they know will improve. No need to get personal about tech stuff that'll be outdated in 5 yrs.
@pjnlsn Don't be sorry, I have to live with it, not you! Besides, developing some sensitivity for others is better than being sorry like you say you are ;)
Forgive me all for making a comment that has little to with the video, but I'd just like to say that, as a linux user, I'd forgotten how you need (at least, if you want to maintain low bootup times and such) reinstall windows every, say, two months or so.
For those who don't know, the best way to reset an SSD is to power on your PC with the drive's SATA power cable UNPLUGGED. Download, burn and run Partition Manager (DOS) from a CD. Before the BIOS boots the CD, PLUG IN the SATA power cable into the SSD. Once Partition Manager has finished loading, use it to 'SECURE ERASE' your SSD. It will take no more than 5 seconds. Once done, you can restart your PC and continue to install Windows or your preffered OS.
@syshock2 Before the BIOS boots the CD, PLUG IN the SATA power cable into the SSD? So apply power to the SSD with the power already on? Since when is that a good idea? It's not a USB device.
@l4af2f Again, you're wrong. SSDs are hot-swappable when running in AHCI (SATA) mode. If your mother supports AHCI, you can enable it in the BIOS and then unplug SSDs and even HDDs when Windows is running. They appear as Removable Storage Drives, exactly like USB devices.
It seems you don't know shit all about computers. You think you know alot but in fact you know nothing LOL. Do some research for once. All of this information is old and has been on Google for years LMAO
@syshock2 So it would seem. I just haven't seen any reference to such when the technology came out. Pretty nice feature. But don't you need to have a hot swappable enabled backpane on the MOBO to properly support hot swapping internal HD's? AHCI is nice but how would the MOBO handle it otherwise?
@l4af2f Nope. Premium high-end ATX cases have the hot-wap feature integrated. For example, with the Corsair 800D you can easily remove storage drives while Windows is running, and then click them back in again.
Nothing can go wrong with an SSD since it's complete digital and is almost identicle to flash memory. So if you suddenly disconnect it during Windows, the actual SSD doesn't get messed up. You just have to make sure the files weren't being accessed at the time of removal.
@syshock2 It's all good. No offense. I know I don't know it all and I'm surpirsed that I seem to have missed such a couple of big things with SSDs (Secure erase to factory restore SSD for one). I take pride in knowing as much as I can and hate it when I get surprised.
erm you made the mistake of formatting your SSD. Formatting them does not make any difference other than deleting spyware, cache and temporary system files which can result in a faster system. But you will still lose performance. That is why you need to RESET your SSD using Partition Manager or a similar MSDOS program. Also, not all 1st and 2nd generation SSDs can be reset. The best thing to do is buy a new 3rd generation SSD (SATA 3.0) and it's guaranteed to give you good performance.
@syshock2 The basics of SSDs is that they are SOLID STATE. NO MOVING PARTS. NO FRAGMENTATION NEEDED. Since it's all electronic, access speeds are equal from the beginning to the end so you will never have any degradation
What you mean by reset? A simple format of the drive / partition will suffice.
The only thing SSD 3.0 gives you is a faster transfer speed (If system is rated for it), not a guarantee of performance. I have a SSD 2.0 that is faster / outperforms a SSD 3.0 drive.
@l4af2f Wrong. SSDs need to be reset in order to digitally erase the drive back to its factory state. Also, the majority of 3rd generation SSD's use the SandForce chipset which is optimised with SandyBridge motherboards and the Marvel SATA controller. Check your specs ;)
SSD performance will inevitably degrade over time--no matter how expensive your SSD is. 'TRIM' decreases degradation time, while resetting an SSD totally RESTORES it back to how it was when you first got it.
No where in your video did you put out the specs of your system and most importantly the SSD you were using. So don't complain to anyone until you do. And learn the basics of SSDs. Cause you really think all SSDs are the same? Like a consumer class HD -vs- a enterprise class HD are the same right? So stop complaining and start specing your system.
WOW people, less than a minute for a boot into windows? Are you just dumb? You really want to complain about the performance of windows at BOOT? If it was like a 5 minute boot, then yes, you'd have something wrong but less than a minute, really?????
It's funny how people swear they lose so much time in their lives when it's booting yet they only reboot 1 / year. "Once windows loads, it's fast". No kidding cause there is nothing LOADING from the HD other than the app you open!
for 15 to 20 seconds you can actually install a regular HDD around 40 - 100 gig at 5400 rpm or so. just put your SSD in as secondary for programs and files.
So Dylan. You make an assertion "Don't buy cheap SSD" & state "Here's Why".
Yet, nowhere have you stated why. Other than "it takes longer to boot than it once did".
No insight nor any proof that the issue is related to the cost of the SSD.
Try testing the Read / Write times of your SSD. (use perfmon or HD bencharking) Likely the Write times are poor. If so, move the O/S write intensive stuff; logs, pagefile etc to a different HD. SSD Technology has improved in the past year. try OCZ Vertex 3
Next time, you may want to consider moving your swapfile to a regular mechanical hard drive, or installing lots of RAM and disabling the swapfile entirely.
I agree about reinstalling Windows every couple of months. First of all, if you create your own updated OS images it's an added plus (as I do) and further who would want a 1 year old Windows install? Any serious power user wouldn't have any Windows install that long. Funny how people are into performance and gaming, but don't install frequently and use the same old stock Win7 disc to install from. When I install from my own images more 1000 tweaks are pre-applied, and all Win updates integrated.
@pppppatrikkkkk You seriously are overkilling your system that way. And quite paranoid. Learn the basics of computers or waste your time. You will not lose any performance in such a short amount of time. 1000 tweaks? Really? Have a list of them to show off your 'optimizations'?
@l4af2f What are you talking about, 'paranoid'? It's a hobby plus I'm a system builder so it comes in very handy indeed. If you know anything about OS modding you would know what I was talking about. And yes, at first logon stage a large collection of reg tweaks are applied. Other things are integrated at the WIM level, and this of course includes Windows updates & hotfixes, but also customized .dll's and such. I can produce a 2in1 arch build or 2 separate arch builds in under 20 mins.
@l4af2f It's not only about performance hit, I also keep a collection of silent apps updated (more or less), so every now and then I integrate it all into images to install from. The x64 Win7 build includes 150 silent apps (via WPI) and the x86 build of course allows for a bit more space so around 180 apps. I keep the sizes down to fit on single layer DVD just in case, but I mainly install from USB HDD for speed and ease (if the system allows it). It's you who has much to learn ;)
@l4af2f Well, It's not a universal constant or anything, but yes, many windows systems, when it is reinstalled, will boot up and log in faster. Especially laptops
@l4af2f Look, the main PC I've been building OS on has an E8500 clocked at 3.8ghz, 8gb of RAM. It's somewhat of an older system but along with the RAID0 made up out of 2 WD Blacks the OS build time is very acceptable. I've made countless builds, all with the overclock in effect, and never had a problem. Nothing could kill it :) Now with the new system I just built that has the i5-2500K and Sata6gb it'll be a bit different I'm sure, but I'm still waiting for an SSD to come in...
@CoopaLoopa72 another thing is that u still have to reorganize thing. for me that would drive me insane with all of the data, and one every few month :/
@CoopaLoopa72 uhm thx for the information, but i didnt say anthing about that. it just uk time and ssd with formating. I know he don't have that much data since it a 32gb ssd
@V1p101 I was going to say, if you have to reinstall windows every couple months, then you are doing something wrong. At the most you should only have to reinstall windows once a year. And he bought the SSD a year ago, they don't last forever, and he could have bought a HDD and it could fail within 4 months. No guarantee as to how long any hardware will last.
@V1p101 When you have the OS installed on the SSD and all your program files and data on a HDD, formatting and re-installing windows does nothing to your files.
"It's bragging rights basically" Wow..you have some really strange views on what's 'bragging right" material. I want an SSD simply for the faster booting/program opening.
there are TESTS to see how fast(slow) ur drive is..windows boot is not a test..after a few tweaks u can boot WIN7 in UNDER 20sec on a 5400RPM hdd..
so i dont find ANYTHING RELEVANT in ur video..slow startup may be prefetch, defragger, LAN, system restore, win versions, win build, RAM, vga driver..there is a windows SDK with an app that monitors ur boot and tells u what driver slows down the boot time
conclusion => it MAY be the SSD...it may be something else => boot timing doesnt tell anything
Learn more about windows, its not the SSD. Clearly there is something in your profile causing the slowdown. Go do some reading, no not blogs or tech journos, go read some docs learn your subject before doing vids like this, you look a fool.
I'm using a Seagte Barracud,a 1TB, 32MB Cache, 7200 RPM hard drive that boots up windows and logs on in about 20 seconds. I would reccomend this hard drive :)
i am running dual ocz vertex 2's inraid 0 at 64gig each. veery fast and wsa180 quid, dont know what your talking about ssds slowing down. had mine for over 6 monthhs and still work well
Typically NAND memory has around 100,000+ P/E (program/erase) cycles. If you buy shoddy, cheap flash memory devices you will notice a gradual slowing of the IO bus cycles within a year of heavy usage.
Every time the OS loads it opens, reads, writes and closes files, the memory takes a hit on the P/E factor.
So the tip of the day is to use these SSD's for storage/backup and not OS installs or massive database interactions.
... furthermore there is NO cure for this slowing and ultimate death of the memory cells ability to retain information. Defragging is not an option here.
So as much as these drives are novel and fast, they suffer a similar effect to standard mechanical drives.
That is: the gradual depletion of the drive through wear and tear - in this case not a spinning platter getting worn out, but the ability for the memory to charge/discharge.
Do you have W7's auto defragging disabled? Vista and W7 are set to defrag themselves at boot, and weekly. Defragging is not recommended, or needed on a SSD, and will actually slow the drive down over time. Your slow boot time may be due to this. There are articles you can Google for to disable the boot time defrag. It's a simple registry key change.
my i7 with raid 0 ssd's and eyeinfinity is useable before the center monitor warms up when turned on at the welcome screen. packed full of software and gadgets
@overclockedamd123 What really keeps you from getting "bloated and slowing down" over the years without reinstalling Windows, is testing new programs on virtual machine or another computer. If you decide to install it on the "real system" (host), I would recommend using RegShot and/or ProcMon to see what it would install - if it installs ton of crap into HKLM registry, use Thinstall or other app virtualization (sandboxie may also work), to avoid that from getting into the real system.
@fourbarposer Yes lets spend tons of time test running virtual or another machine. That makes sense when it takes me 8 minutes to reinstall windows and under 30 minutes to complete updates and driver installs.
@overclockedamd123 I only reinstall when I upgrade the motherboard & cpu. Many programs I have to install are limited by CPU speed and few take hours to install & update. Many also detect if windows is reinstalled and their licences need to be re-authorized.
The big issue however is that some programs (un)installers can break things subtly or less subtly (popular game deleted Windows boot files, since installers run as administrator). I prefer to have a some clue what happens on my computer.
@fourbarposer I dont worry about cpu speed since i run a 2500k@ 4.7ghz. I dont know what software you run that needs a relicense I have never had to unless i updated hardware and that only took about 3-5 minutes. On the "breaking" things issue. No they do not "break" anything. They may leave pieces behind in the registry but that is what Ccleaner is for.
If the only trouble is boot-up it's not a tragedy. For 80 bucks, if you get SSD level performance with loading apps etc, I'd say it's still a good buy. I'd say if you want SSD level performance, without spending 300 bucks get an Intel 20BG -60GB cache drive and use a z68 mobo. It's a great balance between price and performance.
your dumb... if its only 32GB SSD.... a OS alone is usually around 30GB and as u mentioned you have other applications installed onto it.. ya maybe cause your maxing it out to every KB that can possibly fit on there. dont be so cheap. get a 64GB one... it will cost you $40 more..
@gregfrom215 well you are right, but the way you just presented yourself makes me assume your a colossal dick. In the vid he was asking if anybody knew how to fix it or what ssd to try next. so if you dont want to break the bank try a hybrid drive. alot of the reviews are looking good. I will be putting two them in my new build soon and hopefully putting multiple tutorials for the build and also some key products in the build.
what brand did u buy??? OCZ is a good quality drive, has nothing to do with the price but the brand. I had A-Data and it sucked regardless of the price. was more than your $80. After I bought an OCZ had no problems.
Funny enough me and my friend both purchased an OCZ Agility 3 at the same time, 3 months ago. We found this video from googling problems with the Agility 3 because we are both experiencing extraordinarily slow speeds. Launching programs is still reasonably snappy, but nothing like when I got it, for a test I timed it against my laptop with a 5400rpm WD drive in it. The laptop made it to desktop approx 1 faster, but was only around half a second behind launching Firefox / word / photoshop etc.
the more times you write to a ssd the life of it is decreased alot because it has a limited amount of writes... every time you reinstalled windows7 you were just killing it a little more. its not a good idea like you said.
I still don't get why people care about boot times. 1 minute? 2 minutes? 3 minutes? Who gives a shit. What really matters is how the drive performs when you're working with it, not some boot times.
vBDKv 3 days ago 2
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mrproper07 1 week ago
I think he should get back together with Penny.
hotguy337 2 weeks ago
lol why do u have an apple sticker on your mac and your cellphone looks ancient
zaafarj 2 weeks ago
@zaafarj I did the same thing with my non-Apple laptop. If you can't afford the real thing, it's nice to pretend sometimes.
jebler 1 week ago
fuck I had to close 4 popups in the video window - making me view the LooToob less and less
Kg277 2 weeks ago
@Kg277 thats what the hide annotations button is for dumbass......
kitty809111 2 weeks ago
He's probably using sata 3gb/s cables and m/board instead of 6gb/s, also probably an older chipset. Also probably needs to enable AHCI and disable most of the startup progs, i bet he's got like 40 progs enabled to start when windows is starting. Also has he got enough stickers on the back of that laptop?
thegreenleak 3 weeks ago
@thegreenleak were you even watching the video? if so then try it again with sound.
kitty809111 2 weeks ago
@thegreenleak Even if his motherboard only supported 1.5GB/s SATA links, 50 seconds is a ridiculous startup time. My MacBook Air (3GB/s SATA) boots in about 10 seconds, and I haven't done a fresh OS install since I got it over a year ago.
jebler 1 week ago
go buy a Kingston - SH100S3/240G 240 GB Internal Solid State Drive - 1 Pack
wwardiv 4 weeks ago
Thou shalt not defrag/re-install OS more than twice annually on SSD. You might as well keep overwriting a micro SD card. If you visit safe websites, keep installs barebones, you will never have this trouble. Dude, cheap/expensive SSDs work identical. Also, you said nothing about your tower's operating temps either. One overclocked component, or old fuck sharing your home with heat on 24/7 will sometimes kill solid state memory. OR maybe you let tower be dusty. Accountability: always smart.
5l0thal0t 1 month ago
Getting the same thing any idea why? im using a corsair gt 120gb
LucentAMVs 1 month ago
Somebody didn't do his homework before installation...
SomeGuyInSandy 1 month ago
My macbook air boots in at 4 seconds, that is SICK
GustavRubbestad 1 month ago
he probably had auto defrag on lol
priviums 1 month ago
Is this the beta version of chris pirillo?
carlosdlguerra 1 month ago 18
@carlosdlguerra hahahhahahah :-)
webtelles 4 weeks ago
SSD's are full of gotchas. If quick format doesn't fix the speed you could try writing it full of "FF" (insetad of 00) with a disk editor or "secure erase tool" before running creating partitions.
I have OS on HDD, run in legacy IDE mode, use sleep/hibernation, use MKLINK /D to relocate certain folders to SSD, like AppData, Windows/Assembly & wbem/repository & large apps. I used ProcMon to determine that these are most useful perf wise to have on SSD. These can be all relocated w/o reinstall.
fourbarposer 1 month ago
@fourbarposer I'm replying to myself before anyone does: I'm not using AHCI because I extensively tested years ago it and found issues in the Intel AHCI OROM, the controller and the drivers. They may well be fixed by nowbut I won't be re-test it until I have Ivy Bridge because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and from my tests, the speed improvement from using AHCI on this older system was not worth it.
I'll give AHCI another shot with my next build.
fourbarposer 1 month ago
If you need alot of space, why not use SSD caching?
SuperOddsmurf 1 month ago
i boot into windows on a 7200 RPM HDD with in 20 seconds (Western Digital 1TB drive)
for me Space is more important than speed (i have 4 1Tb drives in this system) i would rather wait 1 to 2 mins for it to boot if needed than to have a 320GB ssd to boot in 5 seconds.
i just wish there was 1Tb SSD's out as that would be helpful with moving files round
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danielsayles 1 month ago
get a mac
martkt10 1 month ago
Lmao my 32bit quad is faster than that. (Linux mint)
godofbeats 1 month ago
no bs, ==" he got like 4-5 clocks on that wall, wth
dangle0206 1 month ago
@dangle0206 maybe he's an investor , those people mostly have that much clocks , to know when they can sell , buy .... their shares xD
carvenclabau1 1 month ago
I guess you don't have any bigger problems in your life than waiting 45 seconds to boot your PC?
pditty33 1 month ago
@pditty33 OMG!!!you have just waisted 3minutes and 45 seconds of your life to watch this vide0 xD
carvenclabau1 1 month ago
@carvenclabau1 only wasted about 30 of mine thanks to that comment. thanks carvenclabau1!
RealTalkOnlyBro 1 month ago
F*CKING LOCKERGNOME COPY YOU EVEN MAKE THE LOGO WITH COOLTEXT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
RichyV123 1 month ago
chris prillo wannabe.
experimental0000 1 month ago
Update firmware, have AHCI hard drive mode on, make sure TRIM is enabled in Windows.
cusinndzl 1 month ago
Bet he was defragging the ssd every week.
IAmSkip94 1 month ago 34
@IAmSkip94 SHouldn't you do that?
oldkidsjonge 3 weeks ago
@oldkidsjonge No... It does not matter where a file is located on an ssd as the access times are the same no matter on the file location. Mechanical Drives (HDD's) should be sorted in an order so that the data can be accessed in a faster way (reading head going over a mechanical platter takes time especially when it is disorganised (fragmented)).
IAmSkip94 3 weeks ago
There's the problem: you're using the express gate of your motherboard, you probably didn't fully format your hard drive, and you most likely didn't even buy a decent SSD. Please stop making videos.
Lucario1211 1 month ago
Ahh shit! It takes like 50 seconds! Imagine what other kinds of social things u could do! Oh wait, u dont have anyone to do social things with, thats why ur being pathetic/frustrated to people who doesn't care about the time you lose with booting, which ur not going to spend usefull anyways.
ThaSilverEye 1 month ago
what about the solid color wallpaper bug?
w_w_w.sevenforums.c_o_m/customization/56657-bug-solid-color-backgrounds.html
cesaretiv87 1 month ago
Once i saw the alien ware sticker and apple sticker I stopped watching. Funny, such a guru with a Ustream Sticker doesn't have knowledge for a $20 cam that would own that one. Leave it for the pros kid.
CodeComputerguy 1 month ago
@CodeComputerguy Ah come on, why are you digital guys always coming down on people in forums and the tube so bad? I appreciate everyone's contribution. It's easy to make fun of people or criticize them, but in fact 95% of us had nothing to do with the creation of all the technology, and we're just commenting on the sidelines. Respect people first, everyone does what they know and what they know will improve. No need to get personal about tech stuff that'll be outdated in 5 yrs.
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
@pppppatrikkkkk I'm sorry you're so sensitive.
pjnlsn 1 month ago
@pjnlsn Don't be sorry, I have to live with it, not you! Besides, developing some sensitivity for others is better than being sorry like you say you are ;)
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
Forgive me all for making a comment that has little to with the video, but I'd just like to say that, as a linux user, I'd forgotten how you need (at least, if you want to maintain low bootup times and such) reinstall windows every, say, two months or so.
Here's to an OS that never slows down....linux!
pjnlsn 1 month ago
@pjnlsn Haha those jokes never grow old
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f It actually doesn't slow down.
pjnlsn 1 month ago
For those who don't know, the best way to reset an SSD is to power on your PC with the drive's SATA power cable UNPLUGGED. Download, burn and run Partition Manager (DOS) from a CD. Before the BIOS boots the CD, PLUG IN the SATA power cable into the SSD. Once Partition Manager has finished loading, use it to 'SECURE ERASE' your SSD. It will take no more than 5 seconds. Once done, you can restart your PC and continue to install Windows or your preffered OS.
Hope that helps ;)
syshock2 1 month ago
@syshock2 Before the BIOS boots the CD, PLUG IN the SATA power cable into the SSD? So apply power to the SSD with the power already on? Since when is that a good idea? It's not a USB device.
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f Again, you're wrong. SSDs are hot-swappable when running in AHCI (SATA) mode. If your mother supports AHCI, you can enable it in the BIOS and then unplug SSDs and even HDDs when Windows is running. They appear as Removable Storage Drives, exactly like USB devices.
It seems you don't know shit all about computers. You think you know alot but in fact you know nothing LOL. Do some research for once. All of this information is old and has been on Google for years LMAO
syshock2 1 month ago
@syshock2 So it would seem. I just haven't seen any reference to such when the technology came out. Pretty nice feature. But don't you need to have a hot swappable enabled backpane on the MOBO to properly support hot swapping internal HD's? AHCI is nice but how would the MOBO handle it otherwise?
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f Nope. Premium high-end ATX cases have the hot-wap feature integrated. For example, with the Corsair 800D you can easily remove storage drives while Windows is running, and then click them back in again.
Nothing can go wrong with an SSD since it's complete digital and is almost identicle to flash memory. So if you suddenly disconnect it during Windows, the actual SSD doesn't get messed up. You just have to make sure the files weren't being accessed at the time of removal.
syshock2 1 month ago
@l4af2f I just want to apologise for sounding rude back then. Seriously, it's been 2 days and I feel fucked up. Sorry about that.
syshock2 1 month ago
@syshock2 It's all good. No offense. I know I don't know it all and I'm surpirsed that I seem to have missed such a couple of big things with SSDs (Secure erase to factory restore SSD for one). I take pride in knowing as much as I can and hate it when I get surprised.
l4af2f 1 month ago
erm you made the mistake of formatting your SSD. Formatting them does not make any difference other than deleting spyware, cache and temporary system files which can result in a faster system. But you will still lose performance. That is why you need to RESET your SSD using Partition Manager or a similar MSDOS program. Also, not all 1st and 2nd generation SSDs can be reset. The best thing to do is buy a new 3rd generation SSD (SATA 3.0) and it's guaranteed to give you good performance.
syshock2 1 month ago
@syshock2 The basics of SSDs is that they are SOLID STATE. NO MOVING PARTS. NO FRAGMENTATION NEEDED. Since it's all electronic, access speeds are equal from the beginning to the end so you will never have any degradation
What you mean by reset? A simple format of the drive / partition will suffice.
The only thing SSD 3.0 gives you is a faster transfer speed (If system is rated for it), not a guarantee of performance. I have a SSD 2.0 that is faster / outperforms a SSD 3.0 drive.
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f Wrong. SSDs need to be reset in order to digitally erase the drive back to its factory state. Also, the majority of 3rd generation SSD's use the SandForce chipset which is optimised with SandyBridge motherboards and the Marvel SATA controller. Check your specs ;)
SSD performance will inevitably degrade over time--no matter how expensive your SSD is. 'TRIM' decreases degradation time, while resetting an SSD totally RESTORES it back to how it was when you first got it.
syshock2 1 month ago
No where in your video did you put out the specs of your system and most importantly the SSD you were using. So don't complain to anyone until you do. And learn the basics of SSDs. Cause you really think all SSDs are the same? Like a consumer class HD -vs- a enterprise class HD are the same right? So stop complaining and start specing your system.
l4af2f 1 month ago
WOW people, less than a minute for a boot into windows? Are you just dumb? You really want to complain about the performance of windows at BOOT? If it was like a 5 minute boot, then yes, you'd have something wrong but less than a minute, really?????
It's funny how people swear they lose so much time in their lives when it's booting yet they only reboot 1 / year. "Once windows loads, it's fast". No kidding cause there is nothing LOADING from the HD other than the app you open!
l4af2f 1 month ago
for 15 to 20 seconds you can actually install a regular HDD around 40 - 100 gig at 5400 rpm or so. just put your SSD in as secondary for programs and files.
giannolamichael 1 month ago
So Dylan. You make an assertion "Don't buy cheap SSD" & state "Here's Why".
Yet, nowhere have you stated why. Other than "it takes longer to boot than it once did".
No insight nor any proof that the issue is related to the cost of the SSD.
Try testing the Read / Write times of your SSD. (use perfmon or HD bencharking) Likely the Write times are poor. If so, move the O/S write intensive stuff; logs, pagefile etc to a different HD. SSD Technology has improved in the past year. try OCZ Vertex 3
registerme2 1 month ago
Next time, you may want to consider moving your swapfile to a regular mechanical hard drive, or installing lots of RAM and disabling the swapfile entirely.
Eep386 1 month ago
I agree about reinstalling Windows every couple of months. First of all, if you create your own updated OS images it's an added plus (as I do) and further who would want a 1 year old Windows install? Any serious power user wouldn't have any Windows install that long. Funny how people are into performance and gaming, but don't install frequently and use the same old stock Win7 disc to install from. When I install from my own images more 1000 tweaks are pre-applied, and all Win updates integrated.
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
@pppppatrikkkkk You seriously are overkilling your system that way. And quite paranoid. Learn the basics of computers or waste your time. You will not lose any performance in such a short amount of time. 1000 tweaks? Really? Have a list of them to show off your 'optimizations'?
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f What are you talking about, 'paranoid'? It's a hobby plus I'm a system builder so it comes in very handy indeed. If you know anything about OS modding you would know what I was talking about. And yes, at first logon stage a large collection of reg tweaks are applied. Other things are integrated at the WIM level, and this of course includes Windows updates & hotfixes, but also customized .dll's and such. I can produce a 2in1 arch build or 2 separate arch builds in under 20 mins.
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
@pppppatrikkkkk I'd love to see those tweaks you are using. I also can build an image and deploy it in roughly 20 min.
l4af2f 1 month ago
@l4af2f OK, where do I send it? :)
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
@l4af2f It's not only about performance hit, I also keep a collection of silent apps updated (more or less), so every now and then I integrate it all into images to install from. The x64 Win7 build includes 150 silent apps (via WPI) and the x86 build of course allows for a bit more space so around 180 apps. I keep the sizes down to fit on single layer DVD just in case, but I mainly install from USB HDD for speed and ease (if the system allows it). It's you who has much to learn ;)
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
@l4af2f Well, It's not a universal constant or anything, but yes, many windows systems, when it is reinstalled, will boot up and log in faster. Especially laptops
pjnlsn 1 month ago
@l4af2f Look, the main PC I've been building OS on has an E8500 clocked at 3.8ghz, 8gb of RAM. It's somewhat of an older system but along with the RAID0 made up out of 2 WD Blacks the OS build time is very acceptable. I've made countless builds, all with the overclock in effect, and never had a problem. Nothing could kill it :) Now with the new system I just built that has the i5-2500K and Sata6gb it'll be a bit different I'm sure, but I'm still waiting for an SSD to come in...
pppppatrikkkkk 1 month ago
Who is this wannabe Lockergnome?
HOSTILAMUSIC 1 month ago
@CoopaLoopa72 another thing is that u still have to reorganize thing. for me that would drive me insane with all of the data, and one every few month :/
V1p101 1 month ago
@CoopaLoopa72 uhm thx for the information, but i didnt say anthing about that. it just uk time and ssd with formating. I know he don't have that much data since it a 32gb ssd
V1p101 1 month ago
maybe he got a potato in an ssd case
SLisaul 1 month ago
Reinstall window every few months? U r insane my friend
V1p101 1 month ago
@V1p101 I was going to say, if you have to reinstall windows every couple months, then you are doing something wrong. At the most you should only have to reinstall windows once a year. And he bought the SSD a year ago, they don't last forever, and he could have bought a HDD and it could fail within 4 months. No guarantee as to how long any hardware will last.
Prence 1 month ago
@V1p101 When you have the OS installed on the SSD and all your program files and data on a HDD, formatting and re-installing windows does nothing to your files.
CoopaLoopa72 1 month ago
80 for 32gb is cheap really?
V1p101 1 month ago
Reinstall Windows after every few months on a SSD..... Uhh you do realize SSDs degrade every format?
gullerback 1 month ago
Format and re install windows every few months? LOL! I guess those alienware stickers do show how much you know about computers... (Jack shit)
Natster142 1 month ago
@Natster142 facepalm
systander 1 month ago
Have you tried a low level format from the drive manufacturer?
prestaeus 1 month ago
"It's bragging rights basically" Wow..you have some really strange views on what's 'bragging right" material. I want an SSD simply for the faster booting/program opening.
levelchaser 1 month ago
who the hell bothers to reinstall every few months
stakamasa 1 month ago
Good idea to reinstall windows every few MONTHS?!!
daemonkrog 1 month ago 9
reinstall it everyday for best results.. he he..
yajnesht 1 month ago
@yajnesht lol
grendal742007 1 month ago
@daemonkrog once or twice a year
empireravenshadow5 1 month ago
Cheap SSDs can sometimes be slower than hard drives, but then as the price goes up the speed can increase dramatically.
Chickenkeeper24 1 month ago
OCZ Agility 3 :D
jdcrispe95 1 month ago
OMG he has a slow boot time! its the end of the world! quit your bitching if everything but the boot time is still fast.
E9EXPO 1 month ago 2
the secound one is ;)
Plankaren 1 month ago
there are TESTS to see how fast(slow) ur drive is..windows boot is not a test..after a few tweaks u can boot WIN7 in UNDER 20sec on a 5400RPM hdd..
so i dont find ANYTHING RELEVANT in ur video..slow startup may be prefetch, defragger, LAN, system restore, win versions, win build, RAM, vga driver..there is a windows SDK with an app that monitors ur boot and tells u what driver slows down the boot time
conclusion => it MAY be the SSD...it may be something else => boot timing doesnt tell anything
him80us 1 month ago
Learn more about windows, its not the SSD. Clearly there is something in your profile causing the slowdown. Go do some reading, no not blogs or tech journos, go read some docs learn your subject before doing vids like this, you look a fool.
amigiac 1 month ago
I'm using a Seagte Barracud,a 1TB, 32MB Cache, 7200 RPM hard drive that boots up windows and logs on in about 20 seconds. I would reccomend this hard drive :)
MrWaffles224 1 month ago
*cough* reformat
EkkuZakku 1 month ago
NERD RAGE
coyjones1 1 month ago
buy a new webcam, this one sucks with fake 720p :D
Federico84 1 month ago
i am running dual ocz vertex 2's inraid 0 at 64gig each. veery fast and wsa180 quid, dont know what your talking about ssds slowing down. had mine for over 6 monthhs and still work well
dedly13 1 month ago
Intel 510 Series 120GB Solid State Drive SSD 2.5IN SATA 6GB/S Elm Crest $299
aussiedjglen 1 month ago
Intel SSD 120GB 320 Series , 2.5" SATA II 3Gb / s , 25nm , MLC , read / write speed 270 / 130MB / s $199
aussiedjglen 1 month ago
Intel 64GB SSDX25-E 2.5 SATA
aussiedjglen 1 month ago
Corsair Force Series 3 120 GB - 600 MBps buy one
aussiedjglen 1 month ago
bether then my computer my is about 4minuts
joshualeanne 1 month ago
my raid 0 of two WD blacks gets 23 sec haha this is the reason why i would never get a cheap ssd(OCZ!!!!!).
decimat777 1 month ago
Once I saw the ALIENWARE sticker I stopped watching. Click Like if Alienware SUCKS
scottenman2005 2 months ago 72
@scottenman2005 As poor as Alienware are clicking like would validate you, so I won't.
RangerParus 2 months ago
OCZ Vortex
Agomongo1235 2 months ago
The Alienware and Apple sticker on his laptop basically ensure that he knows nothing about the subject.
xlaleclx 2 months ago 113
@xlaleclx and why would you re install windows every few months anyways?!?!?!?!?!?
TheVitus979 1 month ago
You understand that SSD's slow down over time, right?
HiImNickWhoAreU 2 months ago
These memory cells have a limited life cycle.
Typically NAND memory has around 100,000+ P/E (program/erase) cycles. If you buy shoddy, cheap flash memory devices you will notice a gradual slowing of the IO bus cycles within a year of heavy usage.
Every time the OS loads it opens, reads, writes and closes files, the memory takes a hit on the P/E factor.
So the tip of the day is to use these SSD's for storage/backup and not OS installs or massive database interactions.
Sad but true.
smartarse001 2 months ago
... furthermore there is NO cure for this slowing and ultimate death of the memory cells ability to retain information. Defragging is not an option here.
So as much as these drives are novel and fast, they suffer a similar effect to standard mechanical drives.
That is: the gradual depletion of the drive through wear and tear - in this case not a spinning platter getting worn out, but the ability for the memory to charge/discharge.
KTHXBAI!
smartarse001 2 months ago
Do you have W7's auto defragging disabled? Vista and W7 are set to defrag themselves at boot, and weekly. Defragging is not recommended, or needed on a SSD, and will actually slow the drive down over time. Your slow boot time may be due to this. There are articles you can Google for to disable the boot time defrag. It's a simple registry key change.
Zubirrex 2 months ago
my i7 with raid 0 ssd's and eyeinfinity is useable before the center monitor warms up when turned on at the welcome screen. packed full of software and gadgets
dummie84 2 months ago
OMG MY PENTIUM 4 IS BETTER OF YOU PC :O!!
Milesprowerz 2 months ago
Get Windows 98. That'll boot up in under a second.
Petchhyyy 2 months ago 2
He said to reinstall Window once every few month.... WTF?!!!! LOL
andriiostapchuk 2 months ago
@andriiostapchuk Most enthusiasts do this. It keep your install from getting bloated and slowing down.
overclockedamd123 2 months ago
@overclockedamd123 What really keeps you from getting "bloated and slowing down" over the years without reinstalling Windows, is testing new programs on virtual machine or another computer. If you decide to install it on the "real system" (host), I would recommend using RegShot and/or ProcMon to see what it would install - if it installs ton of crap into HKLM registry, use Thinstall or other app virtualization (sandboxie may also work), to avoid that from getting into the real system.
fourbarposer 1 month ago
@fourbarposer Yes lets spend tons of time test running virtual or another machine. That makes sense when it takes me 8 minutes to reinstall windows and under 30 minutes to complete updates and driver installs.
overclockedamd123 1 month ago
@overclockedamd123 I only reinstall when I upgrade the motherboard & cpu. Many programs I have to install are limited by CPU speed and few take hours to install & update. Many also detect if windows is reinstalled and their licences need to be re-authorized.
The big issue however is that some programs (un)installers can break things subtly or less subtly (popular game deleted Windows boot files, since installers run as administrator). I prefer to have a some clue what happens on my computer.
fourbarposer 1 month ago
@fourbarposer I dont worry about cpu speed since i run a 2500k@ 4.7ghz. I dont know what software you run that needs a relicense I have never had to unless i updated hardware and that only took about 3-5 minutes. On the "breaking" things issue. No they do not "break" anything. They may leave pieces behind in the registry but that is what Ccleaner is for.
overclockedamd123 1 month ago
And how do you know this is an SSD problem?
pchelp7 2 months ago 2
If the only trouble is boot-up it's not a tragedy. For 80 bucks, if you get SSD level performance with loading apps etc, I'd say it's still a good buy. I'd say if you want SSD level performance, without spending 300 bucks get an Intel 20BG -60GB cache drive and use a z68 mobo. It's a great balance between price and performance.
miklyon77 2 months ago
first world problems
chris11211 2 months ago
It also makes your clocks running wild...
MrPyjamaTrousers 2 months ago
SSD's slow down with useage. My 2 year old SSD is 1/3 of its original speed
hypernexcomputing 2 months ago
@hypernexcomputing They slow down cuz of the wearing? Or do u mean the amount of data?
axe1337axe 2 months ago
@axe1337axe My 32GB SSD was running about 250MBps now its only doing 90MBps. Its going to fail completely soon
hypernexcomputing 2 months ago
@hypernexcomputing But is this because its filled with data. Or is this cuz of wearing, that the SSD is slower with the same data?
axe1337axe 2 months ago
problem with flash devices theirs a limited number of write and erase cycles which eventually the flash drive will slow down and fail
bluesax11 2 months ago
wow... less than a min would be a dream for me as i have a 3 yr old pc and it takes about 15 mins to load up (including a few startup programs)
theonlinegamer296 2 months ago
@theonlinegamer296 try linux
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa78815 2 months ago
your dumb... if its only 32GB SSD.... a OS alone is usually around 30GB and as u mentioned you have other applications installed onto it.. ya maybe cause your maxing it out to every KB that can possibly fit on there. dont be so cheap. get a 64GB one... it will cost you $40 more..
StudioR626 2 months ago
revodrive 3 x2
2019frans 2 months ago
reformating on an ssd..? Don't SSD's have a limited amout of erase cycles? *implying University Solid State physics* /facepalm
BStomato 2 months ago
@BStomato no lol u can reformat as many times as u want
TheParallex 2 months ago
@TheParallex lol no go back to University bro. What did you get on your physics exam? 50%? Go back to studying Solid State physics.
When reformating, you're basically using up your erase cycles.
BStomato 2 months ago
@BStomato theres no erase cycle on a ssd lol i have reformatted a ssd more then 100 times it still performs like its brand new
TheParallex 2 months ago
epic fail alienware sticker noob
Arnoud1987000 2 months ago
did you change boot time in msconfig ??
superbigkev23 2 months ago
his ssd probably didn't have trim
SmashCrazy 2 months ago
I just checked my 4yr old 160gb SGate drive from boot to desktop time was 37.58 seconds which makes the SSD you have very slow.
Beerformydog 2 months ago
You need to do a Secure Erase using Parted Magic before reinstalling you fucking moron. You probably have alignment issues.
You should probably leave the high-end stuff to people who know what they are doing, instead of spreading misinformation because you are fucked up.
gregfrom215 2 months ago
@gregfrom215 well you are right, but the way you just presented yourself makes me assume your a colossal dick. In the vid he was asking if anybody knew how to fix it or what ssd to try next. so if you dont want to break the bank try a hybrid drive. alot of the reviews are looking good. I will be putting two them in my new build soon and hopefully putting multiple tutorials for the build and also some key products in the build.
MrCory200 2 months ago
hikikomori or otaku?
chodaboy19 2 months ago
0/4 of his clocks work.
Celest1c 2 months ago 41
@Celest1c They are all right twice a day.
just1rick21072 2 months ago
@Celest1c even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
smartarse001 2 months ago
Intel SSD's are crap.
akirafactor 2 months ago
@akirafactor Ans also the highest priced ones!
monsterrun 2 months ago
Take the ssd out, put in a normal hard drive. Reboot. Report back with info.
23gpm 2 months ago
what brand did u buy??? OCZ is a good quality drive, has nothing to do with the price but the brand. I had A-Data and it sucked regardless of the price. was more than your $80. After I bought an OCZ had no problems.
fetak12xxx 2 months ago
Funny enough me and my friend both purchased an OCZ Agility 3 at the same time, 3 months ago. We found this video from googling problems with the Agility 3 because we are both experiencing extraordinarily slow speeds. Launching programs is still reasonably snappy, but nothing like when I got it, for a test I timed it against my laptop with a 5400rpm WD drive in it. The laptop made it to desktop approx 1 faster, but was only around half a second behind launching Firefox / word / photoshop etc.
Lewis5850 2 months ago
i have the ocz 30 gig at 60$ and it works very nice on my laptop
infojmb2011 2 months ago
its not an ssd issue.. but something else..
infojmb2011 2 months ago
@infojmb2011 agreed. he has RAM or MB issues.
bigshowjoe1226 2 months ago
bAWWWWW
teh1337storm 2 months ago
My five years old laptop opens faster
AMD Turion x2 64
PATA HDD
2gb ram
DJguard97 2 months ago
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Perhaps you should have thought about the fact that it's windows legacy design that's slowing you down ( hardware initialisation etc).
sandyfifa 2 months ago
Perhaps you should have thought about the fact that it's windows legacy design that's slowing you down ( hardware initialisation etc)
sandyfifa 2 months ago
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sandyfifa 2 months ago
dude u buy a 2400$+ computer... you put a chap 32gb ssd drive... you install windows lolll and you alienware sticker you mac..
epic fail bro
jfunique 2 months ago
the more times you write to a ssd the life of it is decreased alot because it has a limited amount of writes... every time you reinstalled windows7 you were just killing it a little more. its not a good idea like you said.
andyswenson2009 2 months ago
48.55 seconds.... That's fast for me. Mine starts up in 48.55 minutes. =P
KnucklesARouge 2 months ago
if you can afford a not cheap SSD you should get a new camera
ClockEFFX 2 months ago
implying it couldn't be another part of the computer, e.g ram/ motherboard...
punkatsub 2 months ago
mine is faster on an regular hdd
TSDlazynes 2 months ago
@TSDlazynes so is mine WD Velociraptor 10k rpm HDD
bmbpdk 2 months ago
Bet this dude is running in IDE mode - roflecopter -
nickmock123 2 months ago
you look like Buffalo Bill from "The Silence of the Lambs"
toastm4n 2 months ago
if your a windows guru why do you buy crap hardware?
SeanofZeus 2 months ago