A mi me paso lo mismo con una Rumour2 en mi primer arrastre. El trike q me arrastraba era muy potente y su piloto, como yo, sin experiencia. Salió acelerando demasiado y la Solar Wings sin tensión no podía seguirle picando. Después d 2 o 3 bandazos fuertisimos supe q el próximo daría la vuelta, así q me solté y el ala volvió a volar bien sin más consecuencias q estar aún bastante cerca del suelo. Después volví a salir pero con toda la tensión metida, y no tuve ningún problema.
wrcummings you know what, after looking at this and paying more attion to it he is too high above the trike causing him to lockout, Pin-Out when in doubt
Texas, I live on the line. The line is not your friend, and it is not an umbilical cord, keeping the line stright is the name of the game in cowboy up towing, it is not up to the tow driver to strighten you out, the indication of a Lockout is aways there like Wallmart, you always pass it, or in it, bye.... Untill you get off that line, it's your life in this sport, you decide when you want off. Flight is not going right, get the hell off fast pull your weaklink. The line is all I know,
If you have never seen a Lockout people, this is what it looks like. The glider gave him the indiction (I'm going to lockout !) the first sign of the Lockout he should had released, get off the tow line. During a tow the pilot must focus 100% on the tow, if the pilot is flying all over the place meet Mr. Lockout. No, he knows what he is doing by the way he is flying he is a hang 2 or 3, I am glad that he did not get hurt, now he knows what a lockout is & knows what to do the next time.
I said that my first lessons for hangglide were in aerotow cause there is no mountains in Buenos Aires, and that is the way people fly there. And the instructors are excelent there. My last lesson on tandem with instructor was the suprise simulation of launching abort about 20 meters above ground (the instructor released the tow without alerting) and the landing was ok. I change my location to spain so I havent been towed since 8 years.
I'm sorry to hear of your friend and his passenger, very very unusual... hills happen without further instructor input; basic physics. On a (ground) tow, instructors can abort. Fly well, happy landings. :o)
Sorry for not logging in sooner, I lost my access to Hangman51 account. THIS WAS NOT A BEGINNER!! It was an intermediate pilot looking to obtain his aerotow endorsement. He was not ready, obviously. OK? yes, I/we know the seriousness of this sport. It's obvious, you're feet are off the ground, therefore = dangerous. really though, for all of us who tow this way every weekend it is almost routine. Learning something new always carries risk.....
never do that again, until you get training. many people have been killed from that type of accident. Whoever says their first hanggliding lessons were aerotow had better find a new instructor. That is just crazy.
perhaps, a good instructor instead of hills, which have dangers as well. I trained on a winch, then aerotow, but louise, my partner, trained from day one on aerotow with judy leden of airways in uk,with no problem at all
did you train on a winch with a big floater glider? Or with a fully capable hang glider? I suppose training tandem would be OK. But watching this guy, I got the feeling this was his first try.
My first lessons to hanglide were aerotowing. And the first rule they told me is to go fast and down (your body to the front, and even grabing the dolly prevents for a early launch ) while you are in the ground till you have more velocity and your wing just HAVE to go up, then release the control bar to launch off the ground. I think he just launch to the sky too soon. English is not my first language, sorry.
My only advise was to flap my arms really hard, and hope for the best. Fortunately I landed on my head, so that kinda broke my fall.. nah, just kidding. Would really like to try one of these sometime, but maybe with a "hill-start" instead.
Many pilots who try aerotowing for the first time discover that they haven't yet learned how to fly fast without PIOing. So practice, practice!
And of course the other tip is to make corrections sooner rather than later. If you're getting above the tug, make a fast correction while only a little above it rather than waiting and then having to make a huge correction. But of course the pilot probably knew all that and just couldn't put it all together in the heat of the moment...
2. This was the first ever A/tow takeoff - yes, well aware going higher than tug is dangerous. (pilot not used to enough fast flying..?)
3. PIO in terms of input not having synch or feel of the aircraft, perhaps. low airspeed and sluggish response definately making the inputs out of whack. i suggest pilot's lack of airspeed control was the caused by "mind freeze" thru fear. can't judge that one.
he sure did get close! he's since learnt to fly faster and is getting his ground-effect landings pretty good. he broke his nose in the crash. of all things on the glider to break, he broke (kinked) his outer leading edge and the top of his king-post! he was pretty dazed too.
Yes, thank you, I'm still flying! I walked away but vowing never to aerotow again! Check out the video of my first flight with a Mosquito NRG harness. Much more fun & much safer thank you.
A mi me paso lo mismo con una Rumour2 en mi primer arrastre. El trike q me arrastraba era muy potente y su piloto, como yo, sin experiencia. Salió acelerando demasiado y la Solar Wings sin tensión no podía seguirle picando. Después d 2 o 3 bandazos fuertisimos supe q el próximo daría la vuelta, así q me solté y el ala volvió a volar bien sin más consecuencias q estar aún bastante cerca del suelo. Después volví a salir pero con toda la tensión metida, y no tuve ningún problema.
HJESUH 7 months ago
Purple stuff was cool. XD
panzertank15 1 year ago
Phew... just glad he could pull out at the very very last second.
warp65 1 year ago
wrcummings you know what, after looking at this and paying more attion to it he is too high above the trike causing him to lockout, Pin-Out when in doubt
xlentertainment 2 years ago
A vertical stabilizer would have saved this pilot!
Double surface gliders at high speed will do this.
They will say the problem is PIO but it's really
DIO (design Induced Oscillation)
If a pilot can loose control at any speed within the
gliders VNE (Velocity Never Exceed) It is the fault of the
manufacture. Sure the pilot exacerbated the DIO with PIO
but the glider needs a vertical stabilizer when towing fast.
Getting off of tow and slowing down (not speed up.) is the
correct thing to do.
wrcummings 2 years ago
Texas, I live on the line. The line is not your friend, and it is not an umbilical cord, keeping the line stright is the name of the game in cowboy up towing, it is not up to the tow driver to strighten you out, the indication of a Lockout is aways there like Wallmart, you always pass it, or in it, bye.... Untill you get off that line, it's your life in this sport, you decide when you want off. Flight is not going right, get the hell off fast pull your weaklink. The line is all I know,
xlentertainment 2 years ago
If you have never seen a Lockout people, this is what it looks like. The glider gave him the indiction (I'm going to lockout !) the first sign of the Lockout he should had released, get off the tow line. During a tow the pilot must focus 100% on the tow, if the pilot is flying all over the place meet Mr. Lockout. No, he knows what he is doing by the way he is flying he is a hang 2 or 3, I am glad that he did not get hurt, now he knows what a lockout is & knows what to do the next time.
xlentertainment 2 years ago
Flying too slow?
smad333 2 years ago
How to cheat death
sinfuldavy0 2 years ago
I said that my first lessons for hangglide were in aerotow cause there is no mountains in Buenos Aires, and that is the way people fly there. And the instructors are excelent there. My last lesson on tandem with instructor was the suprise simulation of launching abort about 20 meters above ground (the instructor released the tow without alerting) and the landing was ok. I change my location to spain so I havent been towed since 8 years.
agusgudi 2 years ago
Why didn't the pilot release the tow as soon as his flight became unstable?
Better to stall into the ground than fly into it downwind at 50MPH?
neil9327 3 years ago
I'm sorry to hear of your friend and his passenger, very very unusual... hills happen without further instructor input; basic physics. On a (ground) tow, instructors can abort. Fly well, happy landings. :o)
Hang1forEver 3 years ago
Sorry for not logging in sooner, I lost my access to Hangman51 account. THIS WAS NOT A BEGINNER!! It was an intermediate pilot looking to obtain his aerotow endorsement. He was not ready, obviously. OK? yes, I/we know the seriousness of this sport. It's obvious, you're feet are off the ground, therefore = dangerous. really though, for all of us who tow this way every weekend it is almost routine. Learning something new always carries risk.....
Hang1forEver 3 years ago
A good friend of mine and his passenger (tandem) were both killed aero towing in an incident very similar to this.
Towing of any method is NOT for beginners.
He came within 3 feet of losing his life on the first recovery. He would not have survived that impact.
Learn on the hills where things happen relatively slower.
pfiberoptik 3 years ago
never do that again, until you get training. many people have been killed from that type of accident. Whoever says their first hanggliding lessons were aerotow had better find a new instructor. That is just crazy.
Jellolion1 3 years ago
perhaps, a good instructor instead of hills, which have dangers as well. I trained on a winch, then aerotow, but louise, my partner, trained from day one on aerotow with judy leden of airways in uk,with no problem at all
airatosvx1 2 years ago
did you train on a winch with a big floater glider? Or with a fully capable hang glider? I suppose training tandem would be OK. But watching this guy, I got the feeling this was his first try.
Jellolion1 2 years ago
y, o, y! mad bastards hill start em fellas that first near miss woulda killed him 4 sure
urquiza78 4 years ago
My first lessons to hanglide were aerotowing. And the first rule they told me is to go fast and down (your body to the front, and even grabing the dolly prevents for a early launch ) while you are in the ground till you have more velocity and your wing just HAVE to go up, then release the control bar to launch off the ground. I think he just launch to the sky too soon. English is not my first language, sorry.
agusgudi 5 years ago
My only advise was to flap my arms really hard, and hope for the best. Fortunately I landed on my head, so that kinda broke my fall.. nah, just kidding. Would really like to try one of these sometime, but maybe with a "hill-start" instead.
Aaberg123 4 years ago
Many pilots who try aerotowing for the first time discover that they haven't yet learned how to fly fast without PIOing. So practice, practice!
And of course the other tip is to make corrections sooner rather than later. If you're getting above the tug, make a fast correction while only a little above it rather than waiting and then having to make a huge correction. But of course the pilot probably knew all that and just couldn't put it all together in the heat of the moment...
midtoad 5 years ago
1. Moyes - Lightsport (nice wing)
2. This was the first ever A/tow takeoff - yes, well aware going higher than tug is dangerous. (pilot not used to enough fast flying..?)
3. PIO in terms of input not having synch or feel of the aircraft, perhaps. low airspeed and sluggish response definately making the inputs out of whack. i suggest pilot's lack of airspeed control was the caused by "mind freeze" thru fear. can't judge that one.
- BTW, wasn't me. :o) Happy landings!
HangMan51 5 years ago
Please describe:
1. Type of glider
2. Towing training you received (are you aware that getting above the towplane is dangerous)
3. It seems that PIO from over-controlling was happening. Why do you think you crashed?
BTW, nice push-out save.
--Groundhog
Groundhog92614 5 years ago
yeah and those pink clouds didnt look too healthy either.
JetJockey87 5 years ago
he sure did get close! he's since learnt to fly faster and is getting his ground-effect landings pretty good. he broke his nose in the crash. of all things on the glider to break, he broke (kinked) his outer leading edge and the top of his king-post! he was pretty dazed too.
HangMan51 5 years ago
@HangMan51
wow...he must have shit his pants on that nosedive too..
commandro 10 months ago
that guy actually came pretty close to gettin greally hurt. good save.
dougapepper 5 years ago
ouch! i hope your friend is healthy! best wishes!
MAXimator70 5 years ago
Yes, thank you, I'm still flying! I walked away but vowing never to aerotow again! Check out the video of my first flight with a Mosquito NRG harness. Much more fun & much safer thank you.
Konrad6da 5 years ago