I hate it so much when my opponent puts his hand in the stone container and stir the stones around. It is so annoying... but I am too shy (and have no courage lol) to say anything.
dude, in about 200 years, everything and everyone in this world would be English Speaking American. So, what is the point of even arguing who invented the game? Besides, the Persians and the Indians also invented Chess, but Chess is considered a western game, not a persian/indian game.
Seems a bit of a stretch. In about 200 years what is now American English is about as likely to exist as Elizabethan English does now. Not all that improbable to say that the US won't exist at all by then.
English will probably make up the bulk of whatever language humans have though, mixed in with more Arabic and Chinese words I'd guess.
Only a guess though.
I reckon we'll either have blown ourselves up or become at one in the internet..
Go was originated in China during the Spring and Autemn Period, which is between 722bc to 481(perhaps even before that). Japanese people did not start playing go until AD. Go is one of the oldest Chinese culture, so you can't say that China did not have a lot of go strategies. The only thing changed is that Japanese people played go with a clean board rather than put 4 stones on the stars. In ancients times, Chinese players were better on average. Now the best player is a Korean guy.
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so if youre young you are loosing your time or something??
I found the vid quite depressing actualy.. so un atractive! Stop playing with your stones!!
I suspect (or I´d like to think) they suck (i coul be wrong..) I dont know but the stones seam a little frustrated in the board... Any opinions? (im only kgs 8k? at the moment..) souldn´t black invade or something.. i mean really.. buy some shoes i think your smell strategy is not working (at all!)
Well by looking at the board black can't invade right, or the tops group that's separated will get attacked, and it's not depressing at all, it looks quite fun really, spending your old age playing games like that, and he probably does have shoes, they're just not shown on camera ;p
Confucian analects（论语） had recorded the game of Weichi（围棋，which was called Yi（弈） in Ancient Chinese）.But Confucius despise this game.Confucius borned in BC 551,and Japan Founded in about AD 1st.
What do you mean by "develop as a game"? It has always been a game in both China and Japan. Japan simply modified it. Mahjong is another example of a Chinese game that Japan adpted and created its own variation.
it seems you know nothing about GO and its history. the original rule of GO is start with 4 stones on the board, 2 white and 2 black on the diagnal star position, then start to play. after hundreds years japanese learned the game, they changed the rule to start with an empty board, so they develop some new joseki and fuseki, but you cannot say it becomes a japanese game. if russian players develop some new joseki and fuseki, will it become a russina game? it is so ridiculous.
If you wanna know why Jpana adopted this game from China, you only need to see that Japanese name of this game is written using ancient chinese characters.
er~~ Nanosempai, I don't know what country you're from and i don't know if you have read the History of Go, but I do know something about Go myself. Let's me make thing clear. Go was originated in China, and in chinese, they had been called 围棋 （weiqi), meaning chess of capture or surrounding. You're right at some point by pointing out Japanese Go play-style is a BIT different from Chinese WeiQi's. But it doesn't change the fact that Go was first found in China.
I'm from the United States and I'm a second dan in go. Chinese playing style is hugely different from Japanese playing style. Go strategy became developed in Japan before China and although it's likely that go originated in China the only real solid evidence we have of that (that I know of) is that the oldest game records found were in China. All I was saying is that Go's origin has not been proven.
Go is Chinese because the Go board the Chinese emporer gave to Japan still exists in written documents and recent diggings found boards and stones in the tombs of some genera though the game was played somewhat differently.
I'm not familiar with the board your talking about but if a Chinese emperor gave a Go board to Japan I don't see how that proves or even really suggests that China introduced Go to Japan.
If a Chinese general played a game similar to go I don't that means that the game as we know it now is related to a Chinese game but that does not mean that the current version originated in China.
There are an inurable number of versions of chess played today but if we could somehow prove that Chinese chess is the oldest variation would it be accurate to say that the European version of Chess is Chinese? I don't think so because in actuality even though they are related and have similarities they are still two seperate games.
Also, the rule of komi in go which is now universally used everywhere was a Japanese development.
I think it is most accurate to describe Go as being an asian game because it is primarily well known and played in East Asian countries.
Really the only reason I replied to you the first time was because based on the context of your comment I thought you might be saying that it is odd to see Japanese people playing Go because Go is a Chinese game and I wanted to point out that go is something well known and played among Japanese people. I really was not trying to say much about historic origin
atari is when a stone or group of stones only has one free adjacent intersection meaning that a play there by the opponent will capture the stones in question. You do not have to say atari, and doing so is pointlessly helping your opponent.
Keep in mind that Atari can be both negligible and completely table-turningly important. There's the kind of Atari where only one stone is threatened, then there's the kind of Atari where a whole group is threatened, as seen in A Beautiful Mind.
yeah...when i first started GO it was so hard and i didn't know what to do at first xD then i got the hang of it...its quite fun, any body of age should play it ^^
OH man! i jus when to this hobby shop today on yonge street and they ahd aGO board and everything so ibought itand now that i know how to play it a bit i think it was WELL worth buying it! lol they r holding the stones a diffrent way then in the GO manga ^^ but still it was a good video i wish sm 1 would post vids of GO games ^^
Also, the level of game that they are playing at is poor, white is behind by about 50 moku, and will not be able to catch up. It is only because whites territory in the center is not protected from black's center group. Also, black could easily live at the bottom of the board and take away a good 30 moku from white
I was just having fun watching them play, but I did stay till the end and they said that white won. Though I don't know how to play, I just liked the fact that these eldery Japanese people know how to have fun. By keeping their minds active, many Okinawans live to be healthy in their 90's! It's so awesome how "genki" they are.
@hikaruUSA lol, no way, black has barely 40 points (less acually) how can he be winning by 50? XD besides white has some 36 SAFE points meaning with komi he is winning already, plus I really dont see how black could live at bottom, and definitely not easily, white is too strong around so white is likely to get some 20 pts in the area if not kill it getting 40 plus points. it's a won game for WHITE. the center group threatens to destroy some points but I didnt count them so it's all good for w
@hikaruUSA ok maybe he'll get a bit more than 40 maybe (less than 50 though I guess) still b has no good continuation w has an overwhelming wall-if b ties to live- 60 more points if b sacrifies. well from this perspective it does seem w plays a stupid reduction instead of a monkey jump which is much bigger but I cant read with the stones placed like thgat :P probably w ends in sente there.
@MakotoShishio5 that is true in aga rules but there are japanese rule set chinese swedish ect ect they all count diff so before you try to insult someone about not knowing maybe you should look at how much you know about it yourself =D
@SasukesDead lol i did not mean to insult him when i said "you should learn to play" i did not mean any offence i meant "You should learn to play, it is a very fun game" or something like that i meant NO offence sorry if it looked like that.
Exactly, it was a simple board game until Japan pushed it into the professional play level and seriousness in the 19th century and early 20th century. Now Korea and China dominate Japan though in International tournaments.
I guess it would make more sense to sit on their mat with their muddy shoes on...
CrawlingAxle 1 month ago
hand in stone jar, expert tactic :)
justvisiting1979 1 year ago
I hate it so much when my opponent puts his hand in the stone container and stir the stones around. It is so annoying... but I am too shy (and have no courage lol) to say anything.
saisueye 1 year ago
@saisueye Well there's no use in being shy! Stand tall, you only live once after all. ^_^
GodofCider 1 year ago
dude i wanna learn bhow toi play thi so bad
christblood2 1 year ago
dude, in about 200 years, everything and everyone in this world would be English Speaking American. So, what is the point of even arguing who invented the game? Besides, the Persians and the Indians also invented Chess, but Chess is considered a western game, not a persian/indian game.
jimmyjamesWang 1 year ago
@jimmyjamesWang
Seems a bit of a stretch. In about 200 years what is now American English is about as likely to exist as Elizabethan English does now. Not all that improbable to say that the US won't exist at all by then.
English will probably make up the bulk of whatever language humans have though, mixed in with more Arabic and Chinese words I'd guess.
Only a guess though.
I reckon we'll either have blown ourselves up or become at one in the internet..
:)
weavehole 1 year ago
i want a go board
cloud4an 1 year ago
he said that the corner was dead..
iluvshaoran2 2 years ago
talking about national game
Baseball is also Japan's national game but not originally from Japan like GO
Th0usandMaster 2 years ago
@Th0usandMaster Go is a сhinese game rly. Yes, its japan`s national game, but it came to Japan from china. Pretty much like baseball came from US.
erghtrfgh 2 years ago
@Th0usandMaster actually "go" originated in china if my history's correct
cloud4an 1 year ago
that is what i was saying
Th0usandMaster 1 year ago
Is it just me or is that one massive white group on the left side of the board near dead?
jaredgroshen 2 years ago
...yes, that's why they're saying "Oh, all of this is dead, I died here, too bad"
shinrenx 2 years ago
@shinrex hahaha please forgive my inability to speak Japanese.
jaredgroshen 2 years ago
nice video, but I think GO is a chinese game, but became popular in japan
Loverenoir 2 years ago
yea it is a chinese game but its japan`s national game
imskatingallday 2 years ago
This looks pretty much like a mid kyu game.
LanHikari90 2 years ago 2
"Don't judge a book by its cover!"
ljimeru 2 years ago
...soooo...what? were you just some stranger standing there recording these men playing (better than i can even dream)?
waterhawk64 2 years ago
Go was originated in China during the Spring and Autemn Period, which is between 722bc to 481(perhaps even before that). Japanese people did not start playing go until AD. Go is one of the oldest Chinese culture, so you can't say that China did not have a lot of go strategies. The only thing changed is that Japanese people played go with a clean board rather than put 4 stones on the stars. In ancients times, Chinese players were better on average. Now the best player is a Korean guy.
thunderrazor 2 years ago 13
@thunderrazor actually i t was called wei chi or wei qi in chinese and baduk in korean
staticx76 1 year ago
@thunderrazor WELL now its a Korean guy IN CHINA who won 8 titles
vampireking5576 1 month ago
@vampireking5576 who is that? I thought 朴文垚 only won one championship...
canadianfirzen 1 week ago
Playing go in park with bare feet, on a mat seems very cosy. I also like that they talk before each move :).
cuauhtle 2 years ago 2
That's the best way of spending your days when you get old: sit all day in the park and play go, shogi or chess :D
Fralinur123 3 years ago 23
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so if youre young you are loosing your time or something??
I found the vid quite depressing actualy.. so un atractive! Stop playing with your stones!!
I suspect (or I´d like to think) they suck (i coul be wrong..) I dont know but the stones seam a little frustrated in the board... Any opinions? (im only kgs 8k? at the moment..) souldn´t black invade or something.. i mean really.. buy some shoes i think your smell strategy is not working (at all!)
Salocin27 2 years ago
Well by looking at the board black can't invade right, or the tops group that's separated will get attacked, and it's not depressing at all, it looks quite fun really, spending your old age playing games like that, and he probably does have shoes, they're just not shown on camera ;p
fenrisulfr19 2 years ago
いい雰囲気だね
junjou28 3 years ago
そうっすね。
特にあのオヤジさん達の雰囲気がイイ味だしてますよね。
mitsubishi777 3 years ago
Confucian analects（论语） had recorded the game of Weichi（围棋，which was called Yi（弈） in Ancient Chinese）.But Confucius despise this game.Confucius borned in BC 551,and Japan Founded in about AD 1st.
guojp 3 years ago
Yes, go probably originated in China,but Go developed as a game largely in Japan though and currently is widely played all over the world.
I think it's better to call Go an Asian game because it's played primarily in Asian countries.
Nanosempai 3 years ago 3
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mizutofu 3 years ago
What do you mean by "develop as a game"? It has always been a game in both China and Japan. Japan simply modified it. Mahjong is another example of a Chinese game that Japan adpted and created its own variation.
mizutofu 3 years ago
I did not mean the rules, I meant joseki and fuseki.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
it seems you know nothing about GO and its history. the original rule of GO is start with 4 stones on the board, 2 white and 2 black on the diagnal star position, then start to play. after hundreds years japanese learned the game, they changed the rule to start with an empty board, so they develop some new joseki and fuseki, but you cannot say it becomes a japanese game. if russian players develop some new joseki and fuseki, will it become a russina game? it is so ridiculous.
jsteel100 2 years ago
I actually know quite a lot out go.
Nanosempai 2 years ago
Mere mortals can only know so little.
kiminokami 2 years ago
If you wanna know why Jpana adopted this game from China, you only need to see that Japanese name of this game is written using ancient chinese characters.
mizutofu 3 years ago
The Japanese Kanji are related but different.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
Lies!
YellowMagi 2 years ago
lol Why would I lie?
Nanosempai 2 years ago
I don't know, I just pointed out that you did.
YellowMagi 2 years ago
lol I did not know that I did
Nanosempai 2 years ago
check the history of Go, also call WeiQi in chinese.
uyhor 3 years ago 2
er~~ Nanosempai, I don't know what country you're from and i don't know if you have read the History of Go, but I do know something about Go myself. Let's me make thing clear. Go was originated in China, and in chinese, they had been called 围棋 （weiqi), meaning chess of capture or surrounding. You're right at some point by pointing out Japanese Go play-style is a BIT different from Chinese WeiQi's. But it doesn't change the fact that Go was first found in China.
uyhor 3 years ago
I'm from the United States and I'm a second dan in go. Chinese playing style is hugely different from Japanese playing style. Go strategy became developed in Japan before China and although it's likely that go originated in China the only real solid evidence we have of that (that I know of) is that the oldest game records found were in China. All I was saying is that Go's origin has not been proven.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
china found that game.
uyhor 3 years ago
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jakrueg2pbg 3 years ago
Go is not even Japanese. Go originates from China.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
Nobody is actually sure where the game originated but "Go" is the Japanese name for the game and it is a very well known and popular game there.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
Go is Chinese because the Go board the Chinese emporer gave to Japan still exists in written documents and recent diggings found boards and stones in the tombs of some genera though the game was played somewhat differently.
Bloodlovefreak 3 years ago
I'm not familiar with the board your talking about but if a Chinese emperor gave a Go board to Japan I don't see how that proves or even really suggests that China introduced Go to Japan.
If a Chinese general played a game similar to go I don't that means that the game as we know it now is related to a Chinese game but that does not mean that the current version originated in China.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
There are an inurable number of versions of chess played today but if we could somehow prove that Chinese chess is the oldest variation would it be accurate to say that the European version of Chess is Chinese? I don't think so because in actuality even though they are related and have similarities they are still two seperate games.
Also, the rule of komi in go which is now universally used everywhere was a Japanese development.
Nanosempai 3 years ago
I think it is most accurate to describe Go as being an asian game because it is primarily well known and played in East Asian countries.
Really the only reason I replied to you the first time was because based on the context of your comment I thought you might be saying that it is odd to see Japanese people playing Go because Go is a Chinese game and I wanted to point out that go is something well known and played among Japanese people. I really was not trying to say much about historic origin
Nanosempai 3 years ago
Just to clear things up, go was invented in china (wikipedia says so)
Hosislo 3 years ago
I don't think that has been 100 percent proven...
Nanosempai 3 years ago
go comes from china. it originated there about 4000 years ago. my sensei told me so.
AlexNunez514 3 years ago
ummmm wikipedia is one of the most unreliable sites ever and there is no way to prove where it originated but it doesnt matter
Xrenith 3 years ago
china then it was improved in Japan
Kaim82 3 years ago 4
i cant even see the board that well :(
G00DBYEEVIL 4 years ago
Looks like white had won but not much
Sai1988 4 years ago
atari is when a stone or group of stones only has one free adjacent intersection meaning that a play there by the opponent will capture the stones in question. You do not have to say atari, and doing so is pointlessly helping your opponent.
wuminoru64 4 years ago
i thought atari is when you can catch a stone next turn not win the game
hikaruFan32294 4 years ago
atari is when you threaten a stone so that it/they has/have to flee, otherwise next turn they get captured.
Brainrevolution 4 years ago
a stone in atari is a stone with one liberty(1 opeaning ) left befor capture
bavly1 3 years ago
Keep in mind that Atari can be both negligible and completely table-turningly important. There's the kind of Atari where only one stone is threatened, then there's the kind of Atari where a whole group is threatened, as seen in A Beautiful Mind.
Brutus0723 3 years ago
i heard somewhere that if your gona win next turn ur suposta say Atari and thats how the Atari got its name.
Sypran 4 years ago
Wow, they make it look so simple.
Lucariorulestheworld 4 years ago
the stronger you get the less complicated the game feels, but when you get stronger you begin to see its true complexity.
wuminoru64 4 years ago 2
And from that point on, you'll only feel weaker and weaker as you get stronger.
mkiozipangbuu 4 years ago
yeah...when i first started GO it was so hard and i didn't know what to do at first xD then i got the hang of it...its quite fun, any body of age should play it ^^
lilaznkid9996 4 years ago
OH man! i jus when to this hobby shop today on yonge street and they ahd aGO board and everything so ibought itand now that i know how to play it a bit i think it was WELL worth buying it! lol they r holding the stones a diffrent way then in the GO manga ^^ but still it was a good video i wish sm 1 would post vids of GO games ^^
zedjabug 4 years ago
Also, the level of game that they are playing at is poor, white is behind by about 50 moku, and will not be able to catch up. It is only because whites territory in the center is not protected from black's center group. Also, black could easily live at the bottom of the board and take away a good 30 moku from white
hikaruUSA 4 years ago
I was just having fun watching them play, but I did stay till the end and they said that white won. Though I don't know how to play, I just liked the fact that these eldery Japanese people know how to have fun. By keeping their minds active, many Okinawans live to be healthy in their 90's! It's so awesome how "genki" they are.
ispyblu 4 years ago 4
Yes, it is a great game and i EXTREMELY relaxing if you are joust having fun with it =D
hikaruUSA 4 years ago
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@hikaruUSA so do u count all the pieces in the end to see who won?..oh man thats too much work,,ill stick to chess
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
@hikaruUSA lol, no way, black has barely 40 points (less acually) how can he be winning by 50? XD besides white has some 36 SAFE points meaning with komi he is winning already, plus I really dont see how black could live at bottom, and definitely not easily, white is too strong around so white is likely to get some 20 pts in the area if not kill it getting 40 plus points. it's a won game for WHITE. the center group threatens to destroy some points but I didnt count them so it's all good for w
brandalfgjfj 5 months ago
@hikaruUSA ok maybe he'll get a bit more than 40 maybe (less than 50 though I guess) still b has no good continuation w has an overwhelming wall-if b ties to live- 60 more points if b sacrifies. well from this perspective it does seem w plays a stupid reduction instead of a monkey jump which is much bigger but I cant read with the stones placed like thgat :P probably w ends in sente there.
brandalfgjfj 5 months ago
you mean Hiakru No Go?? No... I don't believe I know of a go anime.. XD jk
hikaruUSA 4 years ago
Does anyone know that they have a Go anime???
CleonEXER 4 years ago
i do not agree with narusakagami
w is too big
too mach space
as b i think i cold win the game
also you can see that b lucs skil but w lucs it too
DaoSeeker 4 years ago
I can't understand your post - "lucs"?
mongoos150 4 years ago
I think white has won this game if he plays it out well.
narusakagami 4 years ago
You're right! He did win the game. :)
ispyblu 4 years ago
@ispyblu so do u count all the pieces in the end to see who won?..oh man thats too much work,,ill stick to chess
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
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MakotoShishio5 1 year ago
@MakotoShishio5 that is true in aga rules but there are japanese rule set chinese swedish ect ect they all count diff so before you try to insult someone about not knowing maybe you should look at how much you know about it yourself =D
SasukesDead 1 year ago
@SasukesDead lol i did not mean to insult him when i said "you should learn to play" i did not mean any offence i meant "You should learn to play, it is a very fun game" or something like that i meant NO offence sorry if it looked like that.
MakotoShishio5 1 year ago
Japanese chess is Shogi
aoten9 4 years ago
that's great, but this is go.
snowbud09 4 years ago
go actually came from china, but it was the japanese that took it to the level it is today... i.e. masters shusai, kitani minoru, etc.
raretrick 4 years ago
Exactly, it was a simple board game until Japan pushed it into the professional play level and seriousness in the 19th century and early 20th century. Now Korea and China dominate Japan though in International tournaments.
Aberusugi 4 years ago