Zildjian Gen 16 NAMM 2011

[andybarone1984]

would it be less cooler if he was mexican?

"japanese physicist" sounds legit.

[StephenFiorentini]

WILL YOU GET ON WITH IT

[militia814]

I'm not digging' it. Just seems like a lot of wasted money put into research for that. Seems a little much for me.

[MADdrummer971]

I got to play with those new cymbals, they are phucken awesome!

[tHickman95]

Can you choke them?

[outlaw6066]

I'm surprised he didn't spit on the camera lens while yapping away.

[coons1212]

Personally, this is a good idea but it needs work, just like Pearls acoustic/electric kit.

[TheSalvivoband]

So why arent the Gen16 acoustic cymbals triggering the Gen16 samples? Instead they try to polish a turd using "tone shaping". Not one vid makes me want to play the sound of the Gen16 acoustic cymbals. But the Gen16 samples are fantastic, but only to be used in the studio. Zlildjian, please fire the person in charge of this project, and get someone to put the two parts together.....

[nohotiki]

Rip off

[source1zero]

Sorry Zildjian, this is just frigging stupid. I love your cymbals, I really do- but these are useless for an acoustic kit as you'd need a PA to amplify the cymbals just so you can hear them over your drums (defeating the whole purpose) and if you used it with electronic drums, not only would you need yet another module on top of the one you're already using, but you'd also have the annoyance of the acoustic sound of a cymbal while you're playing (again, defeating the whole purpose)..

[ej92892]

"That seems REALLY reasonable!!!"

my ass -.-

[narcoman2]

I love drummers. Look at the number of people on this link who have absolutely failed to understand this product!! Ah :)..... it;s a brilliant system for playing Zildjians samples in digital recording ..... NOT a system for making cymbals quiet and then loud through a mic' ..................heheheh

[drsteve0487]

And that was a marvellous pair of swish knockers at the end .

[ghostfish94]

i would only use this for practice and hear and actual cymbal but less louder

[VanXHydrA]

lol Pwnursif



[djkasmira]

This is the shit, but I'm so annoyed the module only allows you to do this with 5 cymbals at a time :/

[jamy313]

@djkasmira should be at least 10

[ditadizzle666]

cymbal samples are hardly ever raw. theyre always equalized like fuck to sound a trillion times better unfortunately.

[vicfirthify]

great for the house,but you could probably mike a trash can and it would sound the same with the software

[gnzvideos]

Good idea I believe but I find the software (cymbal sounds) part more important and useful.

[thijsjuuhh]

''here you can hear it with the headphones on''.........''lets just discripe it for now''... :D:D

[WWFChamp009]

Guy doing the commentary is a scrub

[siebren92]

pwnurslf: wtf are you sayingXD

the make them quit en put a mic under it for Samples.......

[pwnurslf]

@siebren92 you spell like my 5 year old kid. reading is fundamental.

[BigMetalHead90]

this video kinda pissed me off.

[Credative]

Can these cymbals go with the TD20X module from Roland?

[siebren92]

@Credative you can use it for any drumkid. its an apart piece with an own mudule.. so you can use these cymbals only with the the module gen 16..

[SabianTamaDrummer]

0:31 so... like every sample package you get nowadays?

[MikeRoePhonicsMusic]

@SabianTamaDrummer Sure, however there's another video where one of the reps said there are 100 layers. They should probably make a habit of saying that during every demonstration. Some sample libraries have short fade-outs which is somewhat annoying when you have a musical passage that asks for a long cymbal decay. You can't get one if the editing process eliminates those very subtle nuances.

[Katsumerisfun]

lets compare normal electric cymbals to zljian gen 16 cymabls

[devildawgg67]

Thanks for posting this, very nice.

[RedMoto113]

@dondongo86 I imagine that the metal alloy they used would be a bit more flexible for that specific reason. But also, I don't think all the tiny holes will necessarily make the cymbal weaker. I think the metal will just flatten out in the harder hit spots long before it breaks. Now this is all just speculation of course, as I have ZERO knowledge of the alloy they use... I'm just speaking from what I see. But I really see these getting deformed before breaking

[dondongo86]

How do those things not shatter when hit at a loud volume? I'm a medium-soft hitter, but I've cracked cymbals. It just that having a cymbal with "thousands of holes" with about a millimeter in between them would lead to a lot of broken cymbals. Other than that, I actually find the idea really innovative and interesting and am looking forward to hearing them and trying them for myself. If anybody knows why they withstand a beating, I would be interested in finding out. Thanks.

[mitchwheelz]

If you buy and it down like the sound of it you could always use it to strain pasta.

[toddy1968]

What a crock of shit.

[SolubleSound]

There's a face you can trust.

[mik4225drumming]

if they gave you all the sounds for free i would get it.. right now the concept is basically having an xbox and having to buy games for it.. why pay more when you could get the actual cymbal..

[TheNextEpisodes]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the alloy cymbals are not triggers, as the description would suggest.

[abonifield]

Interesting to here morons chime in about new technology as if they have a real concept of it. DSP? Hahahaha. What is that? They're way cheaper than quality acoustic cymbals. I'm not one to comment on anything on the internet but you idiots are hilarious. You may be right though. a good floor model tama and a 250 dollar cymbal pack is all you really need. hehe. or maybe the travis barker collection if you want to sound like a super awesome badass!!! again. hahahaha.

[onlyrevolution10]

this is kool and all but i dont quite understand the idea of this :S

[RMT7312]

i hope you guys understand what this is: it's the percussion equivalent of the electric guitar. they sound quiet in the same way that an electric guitar sounds quiet without an amplifier. that means you will have a wave of drum amplifiers and drum effects. it's not the same as "electric drums," which is more like a fake piano--as in, they're both based on pre-recorded sounds. this is truly the future! (and it means my brother can turn his drums down when I play guitar with him! lol)

[JWebb008]

Pearl made acoustic/electric drums

now Zildjian is making acoustic/electric cymbals

that sounds like a great combination

[rockexpert]

@JWebb008 they are electric drums not hybrid to make quieter drumming plus i heard they're plywood cool concept not 3000 dollors worth tho

[JWebb008]

@rockexpert i would not pay 3000 dollars or more for a drum set GOD what do they think were rich or something! might as well get a PDP or something Lol

[slajiness]

YES take a quiet cymbal and amplify it so you can shape it the way you want. Its been goin on with the electric guitar forever. Good job Zildjian

[XDrUmErBoY512X]

this is why... Paiste FTW.

[VivaSaiHe]

Wait a few years for them to perfect this, then it will be absolutely sick!

[YouHaveMetYourMaker]

They should just make a straight up quiet drum kit with similar cymbals. It would be interesting to have a drum set I could play under 100 decibals.

[cattfischh]

Wow!! Now if only Somebody will develop a AE drum set And AE drumheads oooh

[disturbedrocks992]

@cattfischh ddrum and Yamaha already did. They're just acoustic drums with triggers built in, and you can swap the heads for mesh ones.

[discohunter12]

If NASA made electric cymbals...

[armedwithturtles]

this guy is too close to the camera

[carlos0on0drums]

i think these cymbals are better than real cymbals. lol jks

[gtrocksyosocks]

its amazing... if you have an e kit.

[UTTERKAOS1994]

@gtrocksyosocks You don't have to have an e-kit to utilize these. Think about it. If you're in the studio and you want to change cymbals, all you have to do is change the preset. You don't have to change physical cymbals or buy new ones.

[gtrocksyosocks]

@UTTERKAOS1994 That's true.. good point!

[PickleAndHamTacos]

christ, can we get the camera closer to his face?

[abatzkon]

@PickleAndHamTacos hahaha! yeah man, I mean what a Jerk!!!

[shakakamooroar]

Every other brand can scuk on it

[RoloTony69]

those look fucking gay

[Oneness100]

What brands of mics, mic Pre amps and what converters did you use and at what bit and sample rate?

[333tanx]

those are some next level Star Trek cymbals, lol

[The1PARAMOREfan]

these are amazing

[getitinwriting]

Just to clarify....these are two entirely separate products.

>>Digital Vault....samples of rare Zildjian cymbals. Use with any MIDI trigger.

>>AE Cymbals....acoustic/electric cymbals. NOT a sample....a real cymbal, appx 70-80% lower in volume than a trad cymbal. Mic'd, run through DSP. No MIDI, no triggering. Real metal, plays like a trad cymbal.

[DenverDrummerDude]

OK, I'm kind of a tech geek, so personally I think that is really cool! I probably won't get it, but I could see this being a big hit with techno bands or other electronic music formats.

[DrumsZackDrums]

the pattern was developed by a japanese physicist??? LMAO!! the pattern was developed by nature... it is the most efficient packing pattern at an offset of 137.5 degrees... it can be seen in just about all plant life... ever look at a sunflower?? a pine cone?? any plant??

FIBONACCI anyone??? which japanese physicist was that exactly??

[juliadeetruchsess]

@DrumsZackDrums - lol, of course you are correct. More correctly put I suppose it would be "the innovative application of this naturally-occurring pattern to cymbals was developed by a Japanese physicist"...

[DrumsZackDrums]

@juliadeetruchsess that would make more sense... i think its genius to apply this pattern to cymbals, just thought someone was try to take credit for creating this pattern.. go zildjian!!

[blaaairVideos]

4:17 owned

[leorizzosipod]

$950??  Seems to be more expensive than it's worth. BFD2 has incredible sounding cymbals that can be triggered with great feel and response, my point is that it's not like today's Edrums are suffering in the cymbal dept. anymore. Software has come a long long way in just the past year alone. I don't see anybody using BFD2 or Superior or even Kontakt 4 saying "damn I wish I had great sounding cymbals". Unless I'm missing something here, this looks like an impractical addition for Edrummers.

[getitinwriting]

@leorizzosipod Actually $950 for a hi-hat, crash and ride is quite reasonable.

[pwnurslf]

ok lets make a quiet cymbal and then sell a special mic for it to make it louder!!!??? that's either great marketing or WTF.

[MrGenericdrummer]

@pwnurslf Wow, ignorance at it's best right here. It's an acoustic electric cymbal. It can be used with an e-kit for quiet practicing and playing or hooked up to the PA for louder playing. You get both properties in one piece of gear.

[getitinwriting]

@pwnurslf You've never stood next to a drum kit, have you? Cymbals are the loudest part of the kit, and the hardest to control the volume of.

[porkpieaml]

@pwnurslf

It is for different applications. Options....it's all about options.

[jordison215]

@pwnurslf they only did it because the blue light underneath makes the cymbal look cool

[MrNorbertweiner]

@pwnurslf That's not what they are at all, think of them as a trigger that has great response that has a module that can create any zildjian cymbal tone. It's very poorly explained in this video but pretty crazy technology. These would be great in a studio environment because it would prevent lot's of bleed over from mic to mic on your kit.

[kha2004]

@pwnurslf  I disagree. I would love a set of those for some of my quieter gigs.

[FerretPercussion]

@pwnurslf

So you don't get why you'd wanna use triggers over an electro pad?

[FerretPercussion]

@pwnurslf

So you don't get why you'd wanna use triggers over an electro pad? What If you want a sound that has an acoustic ride ping (you mic the gen16) then want a static/electro sound mixed with it? Instead of manually getting the right ride cymbal tone you want, and manually blending it with a static sample, then loading it onto your v drum cymbal....theres this!You don't have to use the Zildjian samples, this opens up a huge amount of sound options for creating new sounds.

[devilwillcry44]

@pwnurslf its a quiet cymbal to use on an electric set to keep noise down so you dont disturb people, the microphone that makes it louder is supposed to be used with headphones.

[numanuma20]

@pwnurslf The idea for the cymbals was to use them with head phones so that when you use an electric kit you can hear them as loud as you want to from the mic. So when you play, your neighbors or family does not hear them as much as an acoustic cymbal. Do not think of this like an electric guitar.

D

[DrMonkeymint]

@pwnurslf the mic doesn't make it louder, it amplifies it so you can record it or hear it through headphones or speakers. It's the same idea as an electric cymbal, but you get the real feel of an acoustic cymbal.

[heath832]

@pwnurslf No its actually perfect. For practicing in your bedroom or reducing stage volume yet still sounding like a real cymbal that's genius. yet what the crowd would hear would be full volume. You don't want loud stage volume and have everyones sounds bleeding into your mics. these would help have a cleaner mix and allow you to take in more on stage as far as dynamics from the rest of the band.

[Chogaar]

@pwnurslf Actually, this a step towards a new instrument. The pad doesn't just make it louder(that would be silly), but puts effects on it. I'm starting to be curious: a china with flanger on it? or a ride with delay? Can i get a hallelujah here poeple?

[Road2Resistance2011]

@Chogaar 

[pepe7drum]

@pwnurslf i think this can be great for those who cant make lot of noyse in theyre houses

[DrumsOfAPredator]

@pwnurslf You and the one's who thumb'd up your comment are retards, you don't understand shit. sorry to say it, think before you comment

[gnrfanatic141414]

@pwnurslf its the same concept as electronic drums. I have this problem at my church. our kit is usually too loud, but this would help a lot. making it louder just reinforces it

[jrhetf4xb]

"Thousands of holes"... does this have any rebounce at all lol

[LucaCava94]

the holed cymbal wil be broken in 30 seconds

[getitinwriting]

@LucaCava94 Um...no.

[TheDoomVids]

if u wanna hear it and skip thru the talking its at 3:19 its sounds so cool :)

[sticksbass]

i wonder if theyd crack easily.

[ryanandbranslurppiss]

@sticksbass i would think they are flexible and that would prevent it from cracking

[sticksbass]

@ryanandbranslurppiss good point it just makes me wonder since theres so many holes so close together.

[ryanandbranslurppiss]

@sticksbass by the way nice videos, great band!

[sticksbass]

@ryanandbranslurppiss oh, thanks for saying! im going to direct record tomarrow for better audio. we have a couple other songs lined up.

[getitinwriting]

@ryanandbranslurppiss Exactly.

[cclmagic]

thats ridiculous. im so excited.

[rredsand]

fourth

[humanwepon]

second

[theocvideous]

first