Petrucci uses classical techniques also. It depends on what he is playing. His thumb will drop when he does the six fret stretches. A lot of metal guitarists use the classical techniques, especially when covering five or six frets while shredding. They also hang their thumb too if playing two or three notes per string within four frets or for hard vibrato. Different techniques for different situations.
@kcrich13 No not really - semi close to a moderate classical form is all they really do. Most of the kinds of guys you are talking about dont really have the classical technique down that well - they just brute force through whatever discrepancies they have. The closest thing they do is put the thumb behind the neck - thats only a very small part of real classical technique.
No teacher of mine ever told me that but after 3 years of wrong practice i eventually learn that you should always keep ur fingers as close as possible to fretboard...like the classical players.U r 100percent correct...Justin from justineguitar also says this. Sorry for my bad English.
I have John Petrucci's ''Rock Discipline'' John demonstrates a chromatic exercise. John keeps all finger's down when ascending, however, when descending he does NOT keep all four fingers down on the fretboard when changing strings.( I, myself have always practiced the chromatic scale this way). I tried descending how you teach it, Pebber and i find that it slows me down when descending the scale. I don't see the benefit personally, if it hinders my speed in the long term.
@satchfan2010 It doesnt hinder your speed in the long run. Its straight classical guitar technique thats 400 years old. Petrucci doesnt have that kind of technique. Do whatever you want.
i really love those angles Pebber ... ive been applying them to the major scales as well and instead of only doing 6 strings at a time , ive been also doing 2,3,4, and 5 strings with the exercise... really great stuff and sounds so different to my ears with the reverse angles ...anway, thanks so much Pebber , you sure are teaching me alot
(Quick question) - Just to clarify with regards to descending chromatically; should I place my fingers ALL THE WAY down first, and then pull off; or should I just find a sort of compromise and lightly position the fingers down ?. I ask because I kind of find that putting the fingers all the way down in position first only adds to tension in my left hand which tends to slow me down.
@merseyguy1974 They are not PULL OFFS but curl movements away from the string. I put all fingers down on the string lightly without PUSHING down. They just contact the surface of the string with the TIP of the finger and then curl each one inward toward the palm. I repeat DO NOT PULL OFF.
Thats a good point about curling the fingers in rather than (as I wrongly put it) pulling off. (Rather than "pulling off", I should of said lifting off - which was also slowing me down)
@pebberbrown (Just another quick question please) when descending chromatically doing four finger exercises) while moving across strings, I notice that I'm placing my 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers down first (during the string change). Should I try to get all 4 in position instead (and then curl off in turn), or should I only move each finger (into position on the next string) as and when needed ?
You are a dad of concept. Im 60,and been playing since ive been 11. love ur stuff. i have students,and i tell them you have to practice,and there is no magig potion to greatness. Just practice,and enjoy ur progress. thanks for ur great ideas. jesse
i started out with the 4 finger classical tequnice, but now i wanna play blues and old rock, so a got to learn the thumb over 3 finger style so thath i can use a slider on my pinky
@pebberbrown I got a question. Ive been practicing the E minor scale how long until I should start looking at other scales? should i just try to learn them all at once or give it a couple of months until I move on to another ( of course continuing practice on the E minor scale ) ? Thanks again!
For all you guys who say "I just want to play music thats in my head" without realizing that technique is the only way to get there - just think of this: I just want to run up walls and do backflips in the air like Bruce Lee while kicking 8 guys with spinning roundhouse kicks and then land on my feet and beat up 8 more guys simultaneously. A bit of an extreme illiustration but you cant to any art at a high level without studying its techniques.
I'm still working on some of your material. Trills have helped so much so far and really did improve my technique so much.
But yes, I've stressed thumb behind the neck more than anything. If I get more time, I'll definitely start these chromatic licks at a slow speed and bring it up to speed.
The whole speeding up process works, guys. I'm actually beginning to start to tap just because I've been increasing this one tapping lick for 1 bpm every week.
Great video as usual Pebber. I myself find that I use a mix of fingering styles when I play rock music. Makes a lot of sense the way you describe everything...
What you're mentioning in respect to perfecting the art of techinique is very simple but alot of work in its execution... which should be no deterrant to someone with a true passion for guitar and perfecting their ability on the guitar... very down to earth, sound approach... cheers...
I'm a self taught guitarist... I've been highly complimented but I always take it with a grain of salt due to an inate awareness to an imperfect technique... This is a great video man.. simple yet very effective persective
I agree that keeping your fingers close to the fretboard is really important, but shawn lane's fingers were all over the place when he was playing sometimes, not saying thats a good thing, but you can still be good without proper technique.
I just want to be able to play the music thats in my head, regardless of whether I have to practise 20 hours a day, or none, I just want to make music that pleases me, I dont really care whether it is the correct technique or not.
@soupie Well, more often than not, those who play with incorrect technique either end up with some sort of injury, and/or hit a wall that they can't get over. I played for 4 years with the "wrong" technique and screwed up my fretting hand wrist. It was only after watching Pebber's vids, that I saw I had bad technique that was not only hindering my playing, but also hurting me physically. Now after correcting my bad habits, my arm is doing good, and I am now making steady progress.
I know, that was pretty off topic, I'm not the greatest player on earth, by a long stretch, but I find over practise a hinderance, before I started learning scale patterns my music was far better, now I'm kinda stuck, all I can seem to play is scales, does it take time to break out of that?
Listening to you, I'm really glad I forced myself to use my pinky anywhere I could and practiced with it alot. But I'd like to ask you a sort of OT question. Is learning both finger picking (classical style) and plectrum picking a waste of time, cause I heard from several people that if you practice both, you 'll never get good enough at both as opposed to practicing only one? Btw, I'm a "self-tought". Love your videos!
I am just a hillbilly flatpicker but I gotta say that Pebber's stuff is the best stuff out there for really learning how to play actual music and not just wanking.
@danielkirk1 Backlsiding on the decaf..... I know I know my blood pressure suffers - I will actually go BUY some more today - thanks for the reminder....
thanx for the lesson Pebber, another great one by the way, and i have also pushed these chromatic techniques into my improv on solos and regular warmups.
Petrucci uses classical techniques also. It depends on what he is playing. His thumb will drop when he does the six fret stretches. A lot of metal guitarists use the classical techniques, especially when covering five or six frets while shredding. They also hang their thumb too if playing two or three notes per string within four frets or for hard vibrato. Different techniques for different situations.
kcrich13 17 hours ago
@kcrich13 No not really - semi close to a moderate classical form is all they really do. Most of the kinds of guys you are talking about dont really have the classical technique down that well - they just brute force through whatever discrepancies they have. The closest thing they do is put the thumb behind the neck - thats only a very small part of real classical technique.
pebberbrown 9 hours ago
No teacher of mine ever told me that but after 3 years of wrong practice i eventually learn that you should always keep ur fingers as close as possible to fretboard...like the classical players.U r 100percent correct...Justin from justineguitar also says this. Sorry for my bad English.
govindoburdwan 2 weeks ago
I have John Petrucci's ''Rock Discipline'' John demonstrates a chromatic exercise. John keeps all finger's down when ascending, however, when descending he does NOT keep all four fingers down on the fretboard when changing strings.( I, myself have always practiced the chromatic scale this way). I tried descending how you teach it, Pebber and i find that it slows me down when descending the scale. I don't see the benefit personally, if it hinders my speed in the long term.
satchfan2010 3 weeks ago
@satchfan2010 It doesnt hinder your speed in the long run. Its straight classical guitar technique thats 400 years old. Petrucci doesnt have that kind of technique. Do whatever you want.
pebberbrown 3 weeks ago
i really love those angles Pebber ... ive been applying them to the major scales as well and instead of only doing 6 strings at a time , ive been also doing 2,3,4, and 5 strings with the exercise... really great stuff and sounds so different to my ears with the reverse angles ...anway, thanks so much Pebber , you sure are teaching me alot
shredrix 1 month ago
Thanks for the vid sir.
(Quick question) - Just to clarify with regards to descending chromatically; should I place my fingers ALL THE WAY down first, and then pull off; or should I just find a sort of compromise and lightly position the fingers down ?. I ask because I kind of find that putting the fingers all the way down in position first only adds to tension in my left hand which tends to slow me down.
merseyguy1974 2 months ago
@merseyguy1974 They are not PULL OFFS but curl movements away from the string. I put all fingers down on the string lightly without PUSHING down. They just contact the surface of the string with the TIP of the finger and then curl each one inward toward the palm. I repeat DO NOT PULL OFF.
pebberbrown 2 months ago
@pebberbrown Thanks for the response.
Thats a good point about curling the fingers in rather than (as I wrongly put it) pulling off. (Rather than "pulling off", I should of said lifting off - which was also slowing me down)
Thanks again - subbed btw.
merseyguy1974 2 months ago
@pebberbrown (Just another quick question please) when descending chromatically doing four finger exercises) while moving across strings, I notice that I'm placing my 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers down first (during the string change). Should I try to get all 4 in position instead (and then curl off in turn), or should I only move each finger (into position on the next string) as and when needed ?
merseyguy1974 2 months ago
Awsomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrr
peter0000018 3 months ago
You are a dad of concept. Im 60,and been playing since ive been 11. love ur stuff. i have students,and i tell them you have to practice,and there is no magig potion to greatness. Just practice,and enjoy ur progress. thanks for ur great ideas. jesse
abarcajesse 3 months ago
lolol I have a Berklee guy vibrato!!! didnt know it looked like thaT!! im gonna stop doing it like that!! :P you cracked me up this time Pebber :)
Pierceher 5 months ago
This stuff is priceless. You are a guitar guru, man. Any young players out there can save themselves years of time wasting by listening to Pebber.
gorby9POD 5 months ago 7
@gorby9POD Thanks a lot man
pebberbrown 5 months ago
xDDD
i think it's hilarious!
i started out with the 4 finger classical tequnice, but now i wanna play blues and old rock, so a got to learn the thumb over 3 finger style so thath i can use a slider on my pinky
xDimebladex 7 months ago
what if you don't have a bass player??!
flowerFOG 11 months ago
wow, so amazing, thank you!
JonTricky 1 year ago
"when you screw up, always look at the bass player" LMAO
peacequinto 1 year ago
Pebber, thank you for being awesome. I just found out about you today and I've watched about 10 videos. Thank you.
ambig89 1 year ago
@ambig89 Thanks for your support. Spread the word!
pebberbrown 1 year ago
@pebberbrown I got a question. Ive been practicing the E minor scale how long until I should start looking at other scales? should i just try to learn them all at once or give it a couple of months until I move on to another ( of course continuing practice on the E minor scale ) ? Thanks again!
ambig89 1 year ago
@ambig89 One key every 2 months is good
pebberbrown 1 year ago
Pepper Brown = best guitar teacher on youtube.
juda67000 1 year ago
@juda67000 Please learn how to spell my name correctly. thanks.
pebberbrown 1 year ago 2
This is going to help so much,
Really good for building speed,
Once we got to 7 on across the neck... I just completely crumbled
Defiantly something to practice :D
Thanks lots :)
BucketheadWraith 1 year ago
For all you guys who say "I just want to play music thats in my head" without realizing that technique is the only way to get there - just think of this: I just want to run up walls and do backflips in the air like Bruce Lee while kicking 8 guys with spinning roundhouse kicks and then land on my feet and beat up 8 more guys simultaneously. A bit of an extreme illiustration but you cant to any art at a high level without studying its techniques.
pebberbrown 1 year ago 2
Pebber is the 20 mega ton nuclear bomb of guitar teachers! This vid leaves all those other wank off shredder vids in the dust! Thanks PB!
encoded0 1 year ago
Thanks you so much for this lesson! Chromatic stuff is interesting because you can create literally hundreds of exercises and combinations.
Dariorubesca 1 year ago
Insightful and educational as always. You sir are a genuine Teacher. Thank you for your efforts.
sagnasty2k6 1 year ago
I'm still working on some of your material. Trills have helped so much so far and really did improve my technique so much.
But yes, I've stressed thumb behind the neck more than anything. If I get more time, I'll definitely start these chromatic licks at a slow speed and bring it up to speed.
The whole speeding up process works, guys. I'm actually beginning to start to tap just because I've been increasing this one tapping lick for 1 bpm every week.
Thanks a lot, Pebber.
AirHendrix91 1 year ago
Great video as usual Pebber. I myself find that I use a mix of fingering styles when I play rock music. Makes a lot of sense the way you describe everything...
"Forget the swan!" haha
Scaryfied 1 year ago
What you're mentioning in respect to perfecting the art of techinique is very simple but alot of work in its execution... which should be no deterrant to someone with a true passion for guitar and perfecting their ability on the guitar... very down to earth, sound approach... cheers...
QuickDrawMgraw 1 year ago
I'm a self taught guitarist... I've been highly complimented but I always take it with a grain of salt due to an inate awareness to an imperfect technique... This is a great video man.. simple yet very effective persective
QuickDrawMgraw 1 year ago
The advice on these videos are invaluable , thank you
prsfrank 1 year ago
THANKS FOR YOU TIME AND EFFORT THIS REALLY HELPED ME CORRECT MY WAYS!
KillKyle712 1 year ago
Big thanks to you Pebber for putting all your time and effort into these vids!!!
Gotta get back to the video! :D
jimiclaptoncarl18 1 year ago
Wow,your lessons Pebber put a smile on my face,they are so good.You put me always on the right road.
johnnuanda 1 year ago
I agree that keeping your fingers close to the fretboard is really important, but shawn lane's fingers were all over the place when he was playing sometimes, not saying thats a good thing, but you can still be good without proper technique.
soupie 1 year ago
@soupie obviously there are good players who have crappy technique.. I think Pebber's example of one was: Pat Metheny..I think..
Would you rather be good with good technique or good with bad technique? I don't even have to think about it..
jimiclaptoncarl18 1 year ago
@jimiclaptoncarl18
I just want to be able to play the music thats in my head, regardless of whether I have to practise 20 hours a day, or none, I just want to make music that pleases me, I dont really care whether it is the correct technique or not.
soupie 1 year ago
@soupie Well, more often than not, those who play with incorrect technique either end up with some sort of injury, and/or hit a wall that they can't get over. I played for 4 years with the "wrong" technique and screwed up my fretting hand wrist. It was only after watching Pebber's vids, that I saw I had bad technique that was not only hindering my playing, but also hurting me physically. Now after correcting my bad habits, my arm is doing good, and I am now making steady progress.
jimiclaptoncarl18 1 year ago
@soupie YOU CANT do that until you are FREE from physical limitations.
pebberbrown 1 year ago 9
@soupie Missing the point of it all
pebberbrown 1 year ago 9
@pebberbrown
I know, that was pretty off topic, I'm not the greatest player on earth, by a long stretch, but I find over practise a hinderance, before I started learning scale patterns my music was far better, now I'm kinda stuck, all I can seem to play is scales, does it take time to break out of that?
soupie 1 year ago
@soupie look up his videos on scale sequences... 2+ hours on scales and how to be more creative with them...
and/or his Scales & Arpeggios series
cobracarg 1 year ago
@soupie Did you know that No one is Perfect?
SHOCKING!!! I know.
BucketheadWraith 1 year ago
Listening to you, I'm really glad I forced myself to use my pinky anywhere I could and practiced with it alot. But I'd like to ask you a sort of OT question. Is learning both finger picking (classical style) and plectrum picking a waste of time, cause I heard from several people that if you practice both, you 'll never get good enough at both as opposed to practicing only one? Btw, I'm a "self-tought". Love your videos!
GeetarApprentice 1 year ago
Thanks, Boss. I think I speak for everybody, when I say that YOU and ALL OF YOUR WORK are not only greatly appreciated, but LOVED, as well!
312chicagoadam 1 year ago
I am just a hillbilly flatpicker but I gotta say that Pebber's stuff is the best stuff out there for really learning how to play actual music and not just wanking.
mjs4x6 1 year ago
This man knows his stuff. so LISTEN! Are you still on decaf Pebber? I miss my coffee, it helped my guitar playin alot!
Peace.
danielkirk1 1 year ago
@danielkirk1 Backlsiding on the decaf..... I know I know my blood pressure suffers - I will actually go BUY some more today - thanks for the reminder....
pebberbrown 1 year ago
thanx for the lesson Pebber, another great one by the way, and i have also pushed these chromatic techniques into my improv on solos and regular warmups.
Thanks Again
F4TB0Y69 1 year ago
Fantastic
CallistoAshus 1 year ago
Thanks again Pebber! Another great lesson!
Hennes777 1 year ago
Pebber is the man!
loopie007 1 year ago