Freedomain Radio: Schooled by Dr Mom!

[crypter27]

I would say that private interest have lobbied for goverment regulation,to shut down they're competition!

[rondygal]

Take a look at the medical care the American Indian receives to get a first hand look at what government health care will get you.

[lelevna]

Growing up in the Soviet Union, I had a misfortune of getting hospitalized for a month, and had a couple of surgeries. I assert that I have seen hell on earth: cold-hearted doctors who treated people as if they were a peace of meat and laughed at their pain, nonchalant nurses that gathered at work just to chat, anesthesiologists who reportedly stole meds so they could have some extra income...they were a product of their society, state-sponsored, underpaid and corrupt. And here we go again : \

[IsaacBickerstaffEsq]

I have to commend you for the way you reacted to this letter. I have been trying to wake people up to the way the government has leveraged Medicare/Medicaid to create the health care cost crises for decades. You are the FIRST I have come across to say, "Well, shit. Thanks for the wake up."

I don't have tell you how most react, you are the target yourself.

I do have one criticism of the letter; color TVs and pretty wallpaper are cheap. Motel 6 provides them at low cost despite taxation.

[alennna]

wow , that mom rocks

[szaki]

Cash payment? Haha!

Gov. trying to erase cash, all money circulation in electronic form, so they cam monitor it.

Drug dealers use cash!!!!!

I don't even know what mail stamps are any more!

[TreachMarkets]

There are few words in the English language that I hate worse than 'compliance'.

[MisterAvis]

Enlightening. Saddening. No surprise... Like having my maglignant tumor described to me in detail.

[givebirthathome]

And then there are all the states that did not permit midwifery, or vastly restrict it...can't do stillbirths, or this or that. Truly obnoxious. If the government doesn't belong in our bedrooms, how do they belong in the role of telling us who we can or cannot have assisting at our births?

[boxant]

Excellent video. As a chiropractic student, I have heard horror stories about insurance/state squeezing doctors. They refuse to pay bills even as low as $30, in fact they have an incentive to do this. It is simply economically counter productive to try to "fight" to get the insurance to pay on contested small bills. You will spend far more money/time than what is being contested. They end up "saving" (read: robbing doctors) more money by going after a lot of the small billings.

[PlatinumGordon]

Free market is the go, we need it here in Australian Medical - Government involvement means - in efficiency

Good vid mate

[savemyplaylist]

This letter is quite excellent and extraordinary. By any chance could we get some article or pdf document of this info?

[1stOrderEffect]

one of the best videos i've seen on you tube.

[CalvinJGreen]

Invite the Doc onto your show Stef!

[spenseravery]

@CalvinJGreen Good Idea!!

[degauss22ro1]

if we would not try to regulate the private practice...they would treat poor people like trash..not only the private care but any one who would provide goods and services...

they would not take care of their workers...etc...many example are the mining accidents...self regulation is bull-shit!!!

[MtnDwarf]

@degauss22ro1 this is interesting. So you are taking the basic premise that people are evil and so we need to regulate evil selfish people. You then fail to apply this same criteria of understanding to government because if people are evil in the private sector then they will be evil in the public sector the fundamental difference is in the public sector you have the power of force/violence behind your actions.

[MtnDwarf]

@degauss22ro1 whereas in the private sector all gain and profit you receive is because people voluntarily chose to associate with you and trade value for value.

If you want to make a criticism of a system you need to apply the same criteria to the alternative system you are proposing. Sorry, dude but your shit is weak sauce.

[degauss22ro1]

private medical care would kill the poor people...only the rich people would have the acces to treatment ...i think the social health care is a very good system if the people who are in charge would not be corrupt...and imoral

[ZorrisPorris]

Fuck the government!

[nima1981]

hey ... waaait a second. what's with the glasses? :)

[golefevre]

Don't you get it? The Earth can only sustain 500,000 humans and that is all (sarcasm). Stop living so damn long and just die already (SUPER sarcasm). Life may be shitty for most of us on the "plantation" but it is pretty plush for the planners at the top. They'll kill us all like cattle before giving us the a world centered around the "non-violence" axiom. Depressing. Anyone else want a whiskey after watching this?

[MrDorkusMaximus]

Perfectly done...

[hypernation2007]

Refreshing to see more people allowing to correct themselves. Good work.

[radscorpion8]

@hypernation2007 especially when it reinforces their general point that the government is bad and the free market is good in a very clear and convincing first-hand way :). I don't see stefan losing anything here. I would be surprised if he didn't read these letters. Its one of the best demonstrations of how the government destroys how these people are trying to help others.

[razoorsharp]

is your old camera or soundsystem broken down?? i notice a difference in color value in your video and some changes in the sound as well, not for the better.

Good item though.

[anonymous11441144]

Stefan, is this the same AAPS that claimed that illegal immigrants are the spreaders of leprosy in the US? :D

[DameonRavenfire]

Not many people can take criticism (even when constructive) very well. You, however, took that criticism, showed it to everyone, and said "I was wrong". Good on you, Stefan.

[hadubnano]

If I call a plumber, he fixes my pipes. If I call a carpenter, he fixes my roof. If I call a doctor, he tell me he can't find a problem and that'll be $400, see you next week. Pardon me if I don't pity the plight of the doctor.

[Boonamal]

You wear glasses?!

[galendracos]

Wow. All I can say is just, wow.  I never thought I could feel sorry for Doctors...but I do, just a little. There are few things in life that are worse than the government getting involved in your livelihood. Thanks to the good Doctor for educating me, and Stefbot for passing it on, I will endeavor to learn more.

[603881]

Yup; my mother is a practicing massage therapist for whiplash and accident patients (and is recommended by twelve doctors) and has no say in how much insurance cases will pay her - it's fixed at an extremely high rate and that's that.

[hrosemd]

Kudos to you for making this vid.

[TheAtheistRising]

I like the new glasses. But, I can't help but think that you should have paid a little more for anti reflection coating if you're going to use them on camera.

[shamat100]

Stephan Thank you for knowing Thank you for saying Thank you for your patience as it must take a lot Yours the voice of reason screaming out the locations of the leaks on our steadily sinking ship I feel paralized and ill equipped to take from the side the battering ram of the state I hear you yelling and I am standing here like a zombie

[singlespeak]

Extremely enlightening healthcare facts revealed in this video.

[KodoTheShoe]

If there is one thing I've learned from Stefan, it's how to better handle defeat. Vids like this a testament to why this man is brilliant. He can accept that he's wrong, corrects it, absorbs the knowledge and becomes better for it; and for those of us who watch his videos, we benefit from this as well.

[Panpiper]

@KodoTheShoe I agree. Stefan gets it. We are not our ideas. Ideas are tools which we possess. If a better idea comes along, it behooves us to shed the old idea in favor of the new idea. Doing so only strengthens us.

[stefbot]

@KodoTheShoe it's never defeat if I learn something better :)

[KodoTheShoe]

@stefbot well said and thanks for the" better phrasing" as you've captured my intent.

In the same vein, my father used to constantly tell me that "Impossible is another level of difficulty". So I take these two and mash them together and I get something along the lines of "Accepting a more new idea allows me to, eventually, trump the 'Impossible' ".

Keep posting your brain, Stefan, as your vids have been better than anything I've learned in my schooling.

[ar5281ar]

@stefbot, thanks & thanks for being awake & alive! time to awaken people.

[CurtHowland]

@stefbot That's hardly defeat, everyone comes out better off!

Sounds like the free market works for ideas, too.

[bjarnet3]

@CurtHowland LOL,, I am starting to like this channel more and more... Yes,, that is the main problem in the financial sector,,, the interest rates SHOULD be set by the marked... And the money should have real value,, or backed by something with stability...

[CurtHowland]

@bjarnet3 Well, good sir, the next step on your journey is to visit Mises dot org, home of the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

You have just been giving the short version of the Austrian economics "business cycle". If you could understand what I said, you can understand it all.

I suggest also, YouTube/user/misesmedia

MisesMedia is putting the entire (or at least most) 2010 Mises University up as videos.

[bjarnet3]

@CurtHowland Been there,, done that... Hehe,,, well, I have at least watched everything they've published here on youtube... Anyway, keep up the good work... I will still look for easy answers and good explanations, I got one from you today. Thank you!

[ashane77]

@KodoTheShoe

Learning is what sane, rational, and honestly curious people DO.

The world is full of ignorant suckers who have no interest in EVER improving their understanding of reality.

[BOZ11]

@KodoTheShoe you'd have to have a domineering ego to view enlightenment as defeat

[Nomels]

bull crap about USSR medicare - it was excellent. My dad was a doctor

[CurtHowland]

@Nomels Interesting. Has he written about it?

[galendracos]

@Nomels The doctors were excellent, the system wasn't.

[Anonymous247n]

I don't know, if all medical treatment will be paid directly with cash won't people just become more greedy, selfish, and less humane? Now, a doctor would treat a patiente because he knows he has paid the mandatory insurance. Then, doctors will first check a patient's wallet and if he can't afford treatment, he's dead. Wouldn't that be bad for society? I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be enough competition to drive prices low enough for everyone to afford them! Please, answer maybe?

[hasatum]

@Anonymous247n In free market medicine: (a) doctors who refused emergency treatment and let patients die would quickly become notorious and have difficulty continuing their practice, (b) doctors who cater to low budget patients would become well-known, and (c) the average cost to most patients would drop.

[frontier1701]

@stefbot Truly shocking information.... I had absolutely no idea... you have removed the philosophical cataracts from my eyes.... I just hope you have some type of "philosophical malpractice insurance" lest the gestapo government discovers your practice.... At least now I know why my wife was charged $1497 for a chair to sit on in the emergency room last year!!!!

[waldentree]

outstanding

[shelly8510]

Care from a midwife for a home birth is also very cheap. You pay cash, see them in your home for check ups, and then often 12+ hours overnight for the birth. Meanwhile a hospital birth is 10x or more for a natural birth.

[Eraser7622]

This was brilliant! Brilliant doctor and brilliant blogger.. Thank you both

[gary7999]

@Eraser7622 I cant agree with this one.No one would put themselves through all that stress of school and loans and the rest just to be a physician.I think Stef has this one wrong.Sounds like libritarian craziness has gottten the best of you guys .

[CurtHowland]

@gary7999 "No one would put themselves through all that stress..."

Ask one, before you go making such blanket statements.

[gary7999]

@CurtHowland I didnt make any blanket statement.Listen to the vid again. All Physicians know from the begining that thier operating costs go directly to the patient?Sounds like a scam genius.

[drevenkaine]

Excellent, I was not aware of how little of the money spent on medical care actually went to the doctors. I was just talking with someone the other day about how much it cost for my son to have a wart removed from his toe at the hospital, they commented on how the Doctor could have done it at is office for much cheaper, this information now clears that up for me. Thank you, your a rare voice of reason, and you transcend well beyond the common mediocrity that is so prevalent in these times.

[Fetchdafish]

Huzzah!

[RyanDJamieson]

Sounds like Dr. Mom should have carefully considered the 'parameters' of the medical system, trends of which have been leaning statist for decades, before choosing that career.

[gary7999]

@RyanDJamieson No regulations?Sounds like some real crazy times for your children ahead.

[RyanDJamieson]

@gary7999

I just replied to this: watch?v=FZc8bEn85PA

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

*Standing Ovation!*

[wispaintstyle]

What an awesome mom.

[toadster464]

This is one of the best ones you've done in a while(not like anything else you do is bad). I'm actually taking the time to spread this around to people wondering why healthy care cost's so much.

[tavi16]

Congrats Stefbot!, I didn't expect anything less from you :-)

[sundancekid122]

Well actually we may be entering a new renaissance with this economy it does not look like its likely to recover anytime soon.

[sundancekid122]

I think the free market will take over soon. People are beginning to see the forest for the trees. However the government has such a huge monopoly on electric, gas, health it won't be near.

[haterdrinkinhaterade]

amazingly informative!!! this video must be spread!

[galikazoid]

thanks for sharing!

[NemaselsNeo]

Wow... I had no idea.... :-|

Based on this doctor's testimony, I'd say that the medical market is almost entirely controlled by the state (IE NOT a free market at all)! I knew state control was dense, but man-o-man is it ever so much denser than my first glance revealed...

We really are being 'driven' into a socialist state of imperialism... Wow.

[usernameted1]

Great vid, but steff you look like u lost some weight.Everything ok???

[pretorious700]

"Obama care" (what an idiotic appellation) will never be carried through. It's just too monstrously overreaching and unrealistic. If you do any research at all into the plans for funding it, you will understand why I say this. It is one of the most transparently untenable pieces of legislation ever proposed, and that is quite an accomplishment.

[furyofbongos]

We'll all watch while Obamacare further destroys the health care industry only for the government to declare "see, capitalism and the free market doesn't work, we need the government to take over and make it right."

[andrewh817]

@furyofbongos I can already see the headline, "Obama worried 2010 health care legislation isn't doing enough!"

[Panpiper]

@furyofbongos Sadly, you are quite correct.

[Individualism101]

Wow.

[aiyic]

So it might as well be free then.

[JMMH47]

Another thought provoking installment. Thank you Mr. John Galt for this superb presentation.

[savvysymbiont]

They (AMA, governments) are hoping that "medical tourism" will provide the specialization that the "medical consumer" will need/want....

need a gall bladder surgery...go to Singapore...

[CurtHowland]

Stef makes the mistake of talking about the doctor monopoly.

A doctor pops up and points out that it's all the fault of the government.

Why am I not surprised?

The institution of Coercion (and the accompanying lust for power) may very well be the true root of all evil.

[marypoppins2009]

This is stunning...as usual!! I am so informed....many, many thanks for this one...

[Xtro2005]

the fuck get some clear frames

[JustinGuilty]

this was excellent

[sk8ter11]

Awesome.

[zalida100]

Medical care may be one of the areas where lots of people could eventually see that gov interference isn't really a clever idea................... Oh. What am I thinking? Of course they wouldn't. Since everything is called a free market, the declination of care would be blamed on the free market, thus ensuring a constant state of confusion in the head of Joe Average.

Anyway, that was a nice letter you got Stef. Glad you read it out.

Great vid - Ta

[drew335533]

This was epic. More arguments to use against dem statists.

[1schwererziehbar1]

thanks, dr mom!

and thanks for reading it, stef!

[Gettinghitonattheban]

Socialism is not synonymous with statism/ authoritarianism. Only around WW2 did socialism take an authoritarian turn. Voluntary, not bureaucratic, adhercicies, or alternative social institutions (duel powers) can take place during the gradual abolishment of the state. MEH!

[tetraedronico]

@Gettinghitonattheban How did socialists enforced socialism before WW2 without the use of state force?

[CurtHowland]

@tetraedronico Do you believe that "state power" only has come into existence after WW2?

What about the socialist institution of the government central bank exist, then, over and over prior to WW2 with always disastrous results?

[Gettinghitonattheban]

@tetraedronico

I mean mainly the common theories of socialist thinkers was not necessarily of the belief in the state. Read some Proudhon. But around WWII, when socialist thought was given more exposure, it were the authoritarian socialist that got face time.

[tetraedronico]

@Gettinghitonattheban

Karl Marx and Engels advocated extensively that the workers must capture the state power to catapult socialism and Proudhon was a politician, if he didn't believe in the virtues of the State why the heck was he a member of the French Parliament, unless his theory was opposite to his practice I don't see why a man without integrity is a voice against the state and authoritarianism. By this standard I found Ron Paul a modern day Proudhon.

[Gettinghitonattheban]

@tetraedronico

True he was a politician, however, he was also the first acknowledged person to call himself an anarchist.

[tetraedronico]

@Gettinghitonattheban - and he later called himself a federalist. He wrote property is theft yet he cashed in all government pension checks and he never apologized for the theft he inflicted on others. what a lack of integrity this person had, other politicians of his era would at least justify their thievery with some quasi-bullshit even Marx renegaded Proudhon by writing the poverty of philosophy.

[3stringovation]

@tetraedronico I have the same question about Proudhon. My attempt at reconciling this apparent paradox is to postulate that the sense of government as a static behemoth was not as solidified at the time, and that Proudhon's presence in the argument was more about voicing what would *not* be suffered under the future state being discussed (someone had to voice it), rather than strengthening the role of government per se. That's my theory, anyway ;-) Feel free to correct me.

[tetraedronico]

@3stringovation

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that taxation (theft) is OK when governments are weak? or are you saying that at Proudhon's time there was less evidence for State failure than in Ron Paul's and that therefore he is more justified to be a politician than Ron Paul?

The principle of robbery have always been the same. Proudhon writing property is theft he should have known that taxation is theft too. he keep cashing his government pension check til he died.

[3stringovation]

@tetraedronico I'm not saying anything of the kind. I'm only positing - in order to avoid making a blunt judgment of hypocrisy - that perhaps Proudhon felt he was in a position by engaging in such activity, to actually bring about the future society he envisioned. In other words, perhaps he believed (then) that the system (then) really was accountable to the people and capable of change if he played the game and pushed hard enough to the left. Leftist voters make the same mistake. ;-)

[CurtHowland]

@Gettinghitonattheban "I mean mainly the common theories of socialist thinkers"

Maybe you should raise your gaze up and look at the real actions of people who try to enact those "theories".

After all, I can write "theories" about how perfect the free market could be all day long, you won't believe it. Why do you believe those "theories"?

My first suggestion would be "The Black Book Of Communism".

[CurtHowland]

@Gettinghitonattheban "Socialism is not synonymous with statism/ authoritarianism."

Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production.

Collective is the opposite of private.

There are many, like me, who will not give up private property willingly.

In order to be Collective, property must be taken from the unwilling at gun point.

THAT is why Socialism always requires the power of the State to enforce it, and always has.

[3stringovation]

@CurtHowland "Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production." - Not necessarily. Stef is speaking of a society based on ethics before economics. It is really just the modern definition of "Communism" that makes you see all forms of Socialism as requiring a State. But Socialism is a very broad superset of ideologies (which includes most forms of Anarchism), and the point at which Communism appears is exactly where it diverges from Anarchism and much other Socialist thought.

[CurtHowland]

@3stringovation "Stef is speaking of a society based on ethics before economics."

I think, if you ask him, he'll point out that the most ethical society is the one that leaves individuals to pursue their own interests without coercion and without exercising coercion on others, respecting private property.

In three words, the Free Market.

[3stringovation]

@CurtHowland I don't disagree with you about (truly) free markets. I'm only pointing out that your definition of "socialism" is incomplete, because it comes from the point of view of an advanced, entrenched western capitalist culture. What people in the U.S. consider Socialism today - i.e. "voting democrat" - is very different from what the rest of the world considers Socialism.

[CurtHowland]

@3stringovation "your definition of "socialism" is incomplete"

Socialism is an economic system of collective ownership of the means of production.

It is my opinion that you want to play semantic games in order to avoid the totalitarian, destructive nature of Socialism, because you are desperate for it to "work this time". It doesn't work.

That's all.

[chaseantarctica]

great vid, cool specs

[chitchcott]

Shitting hell. Those glasses fucked me up.

[bjarnet3]

Socialists will never learn this,, never.. They are ignorant... Socialism is an addiction,, they believe in utopia... AND THEY ALWAYS WANTS TO SPEND,,, because they believe that spending is the key to grow an economy... But it is not... SAVING IS THE KEY....

[CurtHowland]

@bjarnet3 One of the ways to understand a Socialist is that they believe wealth is static.

So to the Socialist, one person "saving" would then be taking "wealth" out of the system, causing poverty for others.

They are perfectly aware that inflation robs people of their savings, but to a Socialist that's not "theft". That's simply returning to society at large the wealth that had been "stolen" by those who saved.

That is why govt spending means prosperity to a Socialist.

[bjarnet3]

@CurtHowland Thank you for your explanation! I believe what you wrote is true... Saving is the second best thing you can do, after investing..

When people save, they usually give other people the opportunity to invest (borrow a house or borrow to invest in business)... If you are not good at investing yourself, you can help others by saving your money.

[CurtHowland]

@bjarnet3 In a true free market for banking, interest rates would be competitive. Lots of savings, low interest rates. Lots of borrowing, high interest rates.

The other great destructive power of a central bank, in addition to inflation, is manipulation of that interest rate, causing borrowers, lenders and savers, to have no idea what the real production demands are of the society.

This causes mal-investment, which requires liquidation. Boom, then bust.

Or Keynes "animal spirits", take your pick

[drew335533]

Z0MG GLASSES FTW!!

[badjer1785]

GLASSES!

[theeastwatch]

Very insightful video. Thanks and good seeing you on Kaiser.

cheers

-TEW

[Voy2378]

Great video!

[RenegadeTimes]

Stef ~ Excellant ! How very interesting and enlightening. Truly illuminating.

Thanks ~

[thalonelygirl]

MOST informative video of the day! Thanks!

[bearhuntaa]

@thalonelygirl all day

[ellorybockting]

How so very clever and concise!



[mamaj1013]

two thumbs up!!

[qncsc]

Extraordinary!

[Nexus2Eden]

Excellent ~ as usual. It is horrible waking up on a Slave ship, ain't it? :(

[StandUp555]

Nice to hear this finally spoken out loud.

Thankyou.

I've have maintained this position for a long time : as soon as Govt. - corrupted by lobbies - gets involved , the free market is destroyed.

You probably already know that ca. 40% of the "total" US Corp. profits made between 2004 and 2007 went to the Finance Industry = Banks, Insurances etc.

BTW ,this situation is not just in the USA , but also in Continental Europe.

FWIW

[pretorious700]

sounds like some libertarian free market kook

[CurtHowland]

@pretorious700 And proud of it!

[onlywhenprovoked]

Sounds like she's a fan of Sarah Palin and the Team Party.

I love how she blames the government for the malpractice lawsuits.

Perhaps she should blame the people who file the suits in order to make money, and the people who cause the suits by not doing their job correctly. If the government went away tomorrow, those lawsuits would still exist the day after.

[pretorious700]

@onlywhenprovoked The suits would not be viable, thus not filed, if the tort laws weren't so ridiculously draconian. If the government went away tomorrow, the tort law structure would collapse and possibly some sanity would replace it.

[eagleeye1975]

@onlywhenprovoked Do you enjoy parading your ignorance around for all the world to see?

Lawsuits would continue after government, eh? And who, pray tell, would run the courts in which these lawsuits are heard and decided? Whose rule of law would we follow?

[onlywhenprovoked]

@eagleeye1975 DROs, as the man in this video has explained in great detail. Try and keep up, especially if you're going to act like you're smarter than other people.

[eagleeye1975]

@onlywhenprovoked And you know exactly how lawsuits would be handled in these DROs? The fucking point, you miserable excuse for an intellect, is that government controls the legal system we have, thus allowing the horrible lawsuits we see today. You cannot know what form any new-fangled legal system would have post-government, so your original assertion is 100% ridiculous on multiple levels.

[onlywhenprovoked]

@eagleeye1975

that was cute.

In a last attempt to talk to you as if you're a grown, rational adult - I say to you again that there would still be malpractice, and there would still be a need for organizations that resolve such disputes. Lawsuits will not magically end just because you change the location and walk in there voluntarily.

Or do you suppose people would just load up the pistols and meet in front of the saloon to settle their disputes? Perhaps you should read more on the subject.

[TheNonAntiAnarchist]

@onlywhenprovoked

And is that all you are claiming? That in a free society, lawsuits would not end? It doesn't seem so considering your first post's content...

[TheNonAntiAnarchist]

@onlywhenprovoked

" [...] those lawsuits would exist the day after."

Are you only claiming lawsuits would exist, or rather that "those lawsuits" would exist? The language in the two might be similar, but the meaning is wholly different.

[onlywhenprovoked]

@TheNonAntiAnarchist Of course the "lawsuits" would not be "the same".

Sure, cases are centered around laws and regulations, but even in this shitty system people don't really win cases unless they can prove pain/suffering, loss of income/property.

People like to say "frivolous lawsuits" without giving much thought to the millions of valid cases. Frivolous ones are called that for a reason, and usually thrown out. A stateless society would still have opportunists starting frivolous disputes.

[TheNonAntiAnarchist]

@onlywhenprovoked

"Of course the "lawsuits" would not be "the same"."

I would think not as well, but that is what you proclaimed.

[eagleeye1975]

@onlywhenprovoked Ooooh, I see how you play... you make an assertion, I call you on your bullshit, you move the goalposts and change the original assertion to make it look as if you were right and I was unjustified in my initial disagreement... That's priceless.

"If the government went away tomorrow, those lawsuits would still exist the day after." THOSE lawsuits would NOT exist, because:

1) The structure would not be in place to handle them

2) A new structure would replace it.

[onlywhenprovoked]

@eagleeye1975 youre a fucking moron.

[0PsycoDad0]

Yeah US litigation costs are bizarrely high.

But as long as the monetary system remains the current one there can never be an equal medical service.

I´m strongly against  two class medicare!

[CurtHowland]

@0PsycoDad0 "there can never be an equal medical service."

Be very careful not to get into the "equality of outcome" trap. In that direction lie the Guillotines.

Equality of Opportunity can be had simply by leaving people alone.

[0PsycoDad0]

WOW, cut "as long as the monetary system remains the current one" and make something up from the remains isn´t really what i have in mind when trying to argue.

Because the current monetary system is inherently imbalanced "Equality of Opportunity" isn´t possible in the first place.

This has nothing to do with the "socialist dictatorship" accusation i expect next "forcing" the poor working dude to pay for the lazy pothead as americans frequently depict it.