@cookisforeveryone they tried that but the Zionist want more of the land they already been occupying since 1913. UTUBE GEORGE GALLOWAY FOR THE TEUTH ABOUT WHAT ISREALIS ARE DOING TO POOR INNOCENT PALESTINIANS WHO THAT LAND WAS TAKEN FROM WITH THE HELP OF ENGLAND!!
Ye32 IS AN ISREALI PROPAGANIST SPREADING LIES ALL OVER UTUBE. HE ALSO SHOWED A YOUNGTURK LINK. THE BASTARD BLOCKED WHAT I WAS SAYING ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE TRUTH!! every body flag ye32 an stop him from spreading lies!!!!!
... cont'd (I'm English btw and politically no ties to Arabs or Jews). When the IRA bombed the hell out of England, obviously that was bad, I know relatives of those who did. But if the British government had retaliated by bombing the hell out of Ireland - that would be an entirely different ball game altogether, and we would never have had peace. It's just insane. If you are funding a terrorist GOVERNMENT REGIME, how on earth can you combat a mere terrorist organisation like Hamas? Insane.
I thought this was supposed to be a politically LIBERAL channel, but clearly you guys just scratch the surface with superficial jokey stuff (which I do like) but clearly you don't know anything about politics. Firstly, these sides aren't even comparable. Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANISATION, the Israeli side is the GOVERNMENT, which your country (the U.S.) funds. Yes, you fund their weaponry.... tbc..
Israel has 1/2 of 1% of the land they owned 640 years before Mohammed was born. You ship in more Arabs and say it is their land. The land and Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. If Israel decided to kill all of the terrorist and future terrorist they could. You Muslims have imbedded hate in your children and your civilization is dieing. Your women are stupid and uneducated and that is how you want it. People who's women are strong will also be strong. You teach hate Uwill die of war whoever U R
Only less than 300 civilians died, and only about a fifth of those are civilians. And even then, 95% of Palestinian casualties are male, hint-hint. GAZA HAS ALSO USED WHITE PHOSPHORUS SHELLS!!!!
isreal only a small country and wants a lil more . sure it was the palestinians land first but whats up with all those palestinian countries ganging up on little isreal. and yeah isreal did kill more palestinians but the kill death ratio is even. fuck Gaza turn it into a dump
Perhaps this neverending war should be solved by giving Gaza to neither of them
or simple cut in half each get 50%.
But my vote would go to neither get an inch of land, they have raped the Gazastrip for so long that the present day soldiers fighting weren't even born when this mess started. This will never end on the current terms from each side. I believe neither side deserves the Gazastrip anymore, call me ignorant but we all know this will be a neverending story otherwise.
forget who is the occupier and who is hostage. just look at numbers. 13 against 1400. you gota be freakin kidding me. they bombed UN offices in Gaza. 2000 rockets against one of the best army and airforce in the world. and stone pelters against phosphoresce bombs. God. The world is a crowd of shameless hypocrite pricks. No one and i Mean No one has left with any self respect, Something that makes you stand for the weak.
I think america should give all the occupate land from the native american back to them..All the land, all of america. And I think that south america should do the same. All back to europe. It only a few years that people colonized that country. They still oppress the people over there..You can see where I'am pointing at?
Hamas showed thier ability to fight back in this war, they showed no backing down, and how you can defend against whatever you want, if you have heart.
For those who believe the Palestinians act out of fear and a mindless hatred towards the Israelis based on ignorance please consider how much *you* actually know.
Did you know that Israel is the recipient of more than 60 united nations resolutions?
Did you know that every major power in the region is now calling for peace *except* Israel?
There's a lot most Americans aren't aware of. check out:
I wonder if perhaps "supporting" Israel in its current activities (ie' turning a blind eye to ever more egregious war crimes) is the most anti-Semitic thing a person can do?
Remember, back in the 1980's it was only the left that pointed the finger at Saddam Hussein when he gassed the Kurds; the right protected him.. Then things changed and suddenly Saddam was held to account.
Is Israel being given enough rope for some future hanging? Are we doing them any favours by helping this go on?
@hereticrick5 my Grampa was a member of the CIA 50 years ago, he did alot of things that helped keep us safe from the Russians and Cubans. He was also a WWII vet who went in on D-Day so ya I support the CIA.
I support Israel which is under attack by terrorists and an evil type of Islamic warriors. Israel shall never fall and the Fascist Iranian President will meet his end if he ever tries to harm free land. America, Israel, and the good Islamic people must work together to defeat radical islam and maintain peace and freedom in this world.
You can say what ever you want but I love the US, British, Israeli, and Iraqi millitary.
here is the true differenece between the sides.. Hamas is guilty of first shooting at civilian cities on porpes but is more guilty of shooting from palastinien houses there by making isael look bad to the world.the blood of both sides is on hamas hand MAKE NO MISTAKE! they represent riligious opretion and dictatorship so tell me IF HAMAS IS SHOOTING FROM CIVILIAN HOUSES S0 WHO IS USING THE HUMAN SHEILDS ! and if the civilians r willing to let hamas shoot from their house then they r no better
And how can you speak ill of Israel. ever heard of the Haulocost. Israel was created for the victoms of th Haulocost. They dont want to go through that again, NEVER AGAIN. My family was affected by it greatly. They have no choice but to fight or be exterminated and overwelmed. By an enemy that out numbers them 6 to 1.
If you have asolution to the problem in the mddle east then please tell me. There is a great sacrafice for the right to live and exist. I understand this, do you?
The houlocast has absolutely nothing to do with stealing another's land. You cannot justify your crimes by saying you were oppressed. Better yet, you cannot end your oppression by oppressing others who try to only help you.
Every single day, you occupy more and more Palestinian land and kill more civilians amidst the quest. People who are that cruel deserve to die.
In my opinion the current Israeli leadership is doing a fine job of finishing HItlers work.
If it really is about safety then the right thing to do is to live in peace with your neighbours and the first part of that is a:stop murdering them and b: stop stealing their stuff. It's not complicated.
There's a lot of water under the bridge now so I'm not saying peace will be easy but it can't even start until the killing stops. The alternative is genocide, one way or the other
@tangent272 Israel is always in danger. The dream of the Palistinians is to kill all the Jews and Christians and they will do so untill the last drop of blood. Peace must be obtained but thats up to the Palistinians to decide. The Israelis should torture terrorists with important info to save inocent lives. Unlike us the Israelis are surrounded and must fight for their own survival. The Israelis dont murder, they have no choice. They must be brutal because of their situation of war.
So, genocide it is then. I just hope that you and the others of your ilk understand that this is the choice you're making so you can fully apreciate it when the last Israeli and/or Palestinian is up against a wall.
And for your information, the Palestinians have been screaming for peace for a generation now but almost every ceasefire and peace agreement has been either ignored or broken by the Israelis.
Peace is still possible but Israel has to stop killing and stealing.
@tangent272 look Im trying to have a good day pal. Your not going to convince me that Israel is a genocidal racist nation. Terrorists are genocidal racists who behead their own children for wearing the wrong burka. Palistine deserves peace and freedom but some Palistinians dont want peace and freedom. SO be it, they are selfish and they are bringing harm to their fellow Palistinians, but the terrorists dont care.
When you say "Your not going to convince me that Israel is a genocidal racist nation" you seem to be making the statement that you're not open to argument, ie' your mind is closed to facts that don't support what you already believe.
Look, I don't have to convince you (thank goodness), the UN, Amnesty international, Human rights watch and a bunch of other international organisations can all do that just fine. What I said before is the consensus view, ie' pretty much fact.
@tangent272 have you seen this TV show for children in Palistine. It featurses Mickey mouse and it had him get killed by a bad impersonation of a jew. They just hate Jews so much. But resently this other channel has countered them with an islamic version of sesame street. They do normal things like they do on the normal sesame street to show kids theres more to life then killing Jews.
Yeah, there is a whole lot of bad blood betwene the Palestinians and Israelis, now. That's why I said peace wouldn't be easy.
There are extremeists on both sides; have a look at what the Hasidic Jews say and do, have a look at the Jewish settlers and what they're doing, they're more than a match for Hamas in terms of genocidal crazyness.
The point is, the government of one side is calling for peace and the other side is ignoring it. Fix that then worry about extremists.
@tangent272 Genocidal Is what Hamas is. Israelis Kill Hamas to survive, Hamas kills Israel because of their hate. They have lived in such a bad neighborhood and have grown up just hating, and the easiest thing to hate in that area is jews.
@tangent272 If we educate the Palistinians they will not want to kill Israelis anymore. They've been trying to do that for a while now and they still have a long way to go. But peace shall be obtained through knowledge.
@TheyHearUsNow Keep on dreaming that peace shall be obtained throught knowlegde. Knowlegde and being muslim doesn't change anything. All the hyjacked of 9/11, the bombers of london, etc. all had a HIGH education, and still commit murder. They did because of the essence of islam. Education had no effect on them. That's what the left or media wants us to be leave..likewise with poverty..But poverty wasn't a issues as 9/11, bomber of london etc either, they all came from rich families.
@RoadlessPath It can be done, and it shall be done. If people are educated they can make a good living, if they make a good living their happy, this is what the left does not understand. MONEY makes the world go around, if people are making money they wont want to get into a fight. There are nut cases though whom of which are in control and prevent their peers from growing brains and keep making bombs.
my grampa was one of the first members of the CIA. he was a part of the Bay of Pigs and the CIA has tortured terrorists. Im not a fan of torture but I hope we kill plenty of alqaeda guys. The more dead terrorists the quicker we get the hell out of the middle east. So I will never disapprove of the CIA.
Its easy for him to call Israeli soldiers war criminals because hes not the one fightin an army of suicidal terrorists one of the most dangerous places on earth. He gets to sit back in his soft chair with his clean bathroom, his good food, his nice apartment and do all the talking and no courage that Israel shows.
there is a reason why the hamas fire rockets/bombers at Israel. Occupation, restricting trade/ movement, building settlements in Palestinian land.
Israel then gets feed up with the rockets & attacks the Palestinians. The actions they did during that war were war crimes. Both sides at at fault, but it's the innocent civilians that always get the worst of it.
dont dare blame this on Israel. Palestinians as well as other middle eastern countries have been trying to destroy Israel for years, destroying towns and terroist attacks on the country killing thousands for years. If israel really wanted to it would be alot worse.
yeah, it could be as Israel has nukes and now a nutcase as leader - Benajim NetanYAHOO - he once said in a speech to the faithful that "an old book" told him this land belongs to Israel - so explain to me why isn't he labelled as a religious zealot? and with nuclear codes? very very scary.....
Cenk Uygur is undoubtedly a Jew. The Young Turks were a group that carried out genocidal murder against 1.5 million Armenians in 1915. What the mainstream historians won't tell you is that the Young Turks were organized and led by Jews. Check out Israel Shamir if you want to learn something.
if the israelis were going into civilian homes without order from the commanders than it is OK(my guess is that is the case, because hamas does not give a shit about palestinian lives and dont care if there are human shields), my logic is that the soldiers also want to preserve there lives, so they fire from any windows they find.
Why didnt that lady say the same for the US when it invaded Iraq. Iraq had nothign to do with 9/11 SO why isnt Bush adn the government of the us being accused? the US backs Israel, because of the Zionist who control the puppets in place..
funny but logically flawed...a "THOUSAND" ants are about as big as a small twinkie while a single ant eater is bigger than an average dog...this is what every human rights organization in the world calls "disproportional retaliation"
yes Hamas fired indiscrimintly into Israeli territories but:
1, they have been under embargo for quiet some time
2. they don't have any better weapons so they really don't have a choice
Israel on the other hand used white phosphorus exclusively for retaliation against Gazans. they really didn't have to destroy entire buildings to kill a coupe of insurgents giving they much more sophisticated and accurate weapons
I notice how Amnesty International charges war crimes for Israel & Hamas, but i haven't heard a damn thing about Darfur. I know it may be because it doesn't get much news coverage, i realize that. But it seems that most issues that are concerned to the world are things that go on in places like Europe, the Middle-East, Asia, and North America. I just wish we were at least concerned with everybody/what goes on where. And i know its kind of hard with six billion people on the planet.Just a thought
It's comment replies, its a feature that should be used. I like to debate. What are you a misanthrope that thinks everyone should all die? Cause i am but I still wanna live to see what the future holds.
13 people from the al quassam brigades? logic would imply that if palestinie freedom fighters wanted to just kill civilians, it would seem they could kill alot more than 13 lol
What are these fools fighting over? Oh yes..their God gave them the land so they could oppress each other. Whats war always about? Rich and powerful on both sides trying to increase or maintain their power..the poor are foolish and will fight for their imaginary and clearly incompetent friend in the sky. Get rid of God and those people can make a sensible peace. God of Jews gave them the land forever while the God apparently loved the Muslims later on and ordered the Jews dead or oppressed.
What a great commentary. Un-biased and to the point. Well done. I've been following the conflict as far back as I can remember and Cenk said something today that I have never heard. "..'Hey, we only killed 13 people', that's because you could only kill 13 people". I tend to side more with the Palestinian people but he made a great point.
I recommend that everyone watch the 2008 BBC Documentary: The Birth Of Israel. Jeremy Bowen reports in this amazing, un-biased doc that takes you from day 1
cenk how can gazans kill civilians when there is just israeli soldiers around?! what are you talkin about? if they attack turkey you wouldn't sit down and talk like that. they will protect there county don't they? You haven't been there. you don't know how miserable there life is because of the occupation. hamas is created in 1989 just because of the way the israeli government treated palis. if you don't get the root of the problem don't talk...
He was talking about killing civilians with rockets and suicide attacks. It's terrorism and Israelis were terrified, how do you expect them to react? Do nothing? Bow to their demands and dismantle their country and leave? They had no choice but to fight an enemy whose sole aim was to destroy Israel.
Could you please explain the moral difference to me between a guy blowing himself up in a market and a guy dropping a bomb from an f16 into a market saddamuel?
Could you please explain to me chris3325 when Israel has dropped a bomb into a crowded market with the aim of killing as many Palestinian civilians as possible?
Israel conducted the attack because Hamas continues to stockpile arms against the interests of Gazans and despite Egyptian assistance in the blockade. If Hamas made a simple move of changing their charter to say they want a 2 state solution from saying they want to destroy Israel, it would go a long way!
Saddamuel, I agree with what you say. However, everything you have written (Israelis dismantle their country and leave, if Hamas accepted a 2-state solution, etc) must also be turned the other direction. Israel is, at least, as culpable for ensuring that the violence continues. And considering that the standard of living of most Palestinians is horrendous as a direct result of Israel's actions, what reaction would you expect?
Not 'at least as culpable'. It wasn't up to them whether they had a partner for peace in the first 30 years of her existence. Israel didn't kill the Palestinian state in 1947 or even deny their right to exist. They weren't even approached about a two state solution until the 90s.
I would hope that Palestinians realise their standard of living is a direct result of fighting against Israel and that a two state solution should be their main goal. If only Palestinians had a Gandhi.
Sorry, dude, if thats your response, you're an ideologue and your reasons for saying what you're saying aren't honest. I'm not trying to offend you, but when you say "If only Palestinians had a Gandhi", you sound like a jerk. Israel continues to support settlers who bring violence into the lives of average Palestinians every day. If only Israelis had a Gandhi, perhaps? You can't expect Pale. to turn the other cheek when you haven't even begun to.
I'm saying Palestinians should try peaceful resistance aimed at obtaining a two state solution rather than attacks and hostile negotiations with a country that they and those who fight for them say they wanted to destroy for many years. Why is that so bad? It's in their best interests!
Settlers aren't widely supported amongst Israelis. When they were removed from Gaza there was no great uproar. To say settlers excuse violence and calls for Israel's destruction is to miss the bigger picture.
Why am I a jerk for hoping Palestinians one day get a leader who can bring about a Palestinian state that can live alongside Israel? At the moment they have Hamas who hurt any hope of a Palestinian state by seeming to remain set on destroying Israel or they have Fatah who are corrupt and seem unwilling to make concessions in their demands such as giving up East Jerusalem and certain large settlements in exchange for equivalent areas of land currently part of Israel?
No, you sound like a jerk when you say that Palestinians need a Gandhi, as if Israel hasn't perpetuated violence of their own, on a scale at least as bad. And what do the Arab states have to do with average Palestinians? Should they say "Its okay that my house was bulldozed and my daughter burned by white phosphorus, because Syria declared war on Israel". By that logic, every Jew in the world is guilty of Israel's war crimes.
You misunderstand. Arab states declared war on Israel in 1947. When they failed to destroy her they instead occupied what should have been Palestine. After Israel occupied these lands it was impossible for her to return them as it would have left her vulnerable to future attacks. Moreover Palestinians were kept as refugees and unique amongst refugees their children were also classed as refugees. They were betrayed over and over by their 'friends'. This set up the whole situation we have now.
Yes, and if I were having an argument with someone who was pretending that this was all Israel's fault and the Arab's were pure innocent victims, I might bring that up. As it is, I'm having an argument with someone who thinks this is all Arabs' fault and the Israeli's are all pure innocent victims. So those details don't come up right away.
It seems you want Israel to force Palis into accepting a workable peace. Treat them like children and trick them into doing what's in their best interests. Not only is that not Israel's responsibility but I find it insulting towards Palis.
If the issues you raised were a direct cause of terrorism then I'd see your point but they are more a result than a cause. There is no reason to think that simply removing them will have any effect! Israel won't take chances when it comes to security.
I don't live there and I don't know what its like to live in a besieged country like Israel. I do know what a human reaction is, and I know how I'd react if I was living in the Palestinian Territories; the same way you would.
And how would you react if you were an Israeli? You hear violent rhetoric from Palestine, you see Hamas elected, a party whose raison d'etre is destroying Israel. If they don't even see any green shoots then how do you expect them to vote? They will vote for their own security if it seems there is no hope for peace and will have little sympathy for those who call for their destruction at the same time of complaining of mistreatment.
I would do all of that, but since I'm not in either position, I have the luxury of stepping back and saying you're wrong here and they're wrong there. I try to take a balanced look, and what you have posted here makes me think you don't. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least you're willing to have a discussion, and I appreciate that.
I'm trying to put forward a view which is rarely discussed. It's said the media is biased towards Israel but I never hear people rebutting common arguments made against Israel.
In some cases people try to be balanced by not taking a view though one argument may be more persuasive. A desire to be fair can distort reality.
I tend to focus on how we can get out of this situation and I think the Palestinians have more work to do than the Israelis. They elected Hamas, a 20 year step backwards.
Once Arab states stopped trying to directly destroy Israel they supported terror. So despite the end of a threat of invasion, there was a threat of smaller but also terrifying attacks. At first these groups worked to destroy Israel so negotiation was impossible for a long time and the occupation dragged on, settlements grew etc... When a peace movement arose it was too weak, too limited and too late. Palestinians need to accept less than they want and get on with building their country.
And Israelis need to accept less than they want (i.e., accept the 67 borders) or they are going to have to accept violence in their lives and international condemnation when they respond with violence of their own. Beating a people into submission has never worked. You want an example? Look at the Jewish people. Beating them into submission didn't work.
So the Palestinians and Arab states are allowed under international law to ban jews from visiting their holy site for 20 years and then to spend another 20 planning her destruction. When all this fails they can just say: 'erm hey guys. U know how we wanted the whole of Israel to ourselves before, well we're willing to accept the 67 borders now. How benevolent we are!' Seriously? No negotiation over borders? Now that is rewarding aggression.
Are the settlements allowed to expand? Do individual Palestinians face regular harrassment at the hands of the IDF? Has water been rerouted to serve settlements at the expense of Arab areas? To pretend that Israel is only a victim is to blatantly ignore the entire picture. Ever hear the phrase "look to your own house first"?
Such problems could be solved by a Palestinian renunciation of violence. If the majority of sensible Israelis felt secure then the settlers would quickly lose support. At the moment they are ignored because Israelis are more concerned about Hamas obtaining more sophisticated weaponry and following through on their threats.
Are Israelis suffering the most? No. So if Palestinians want to improve their lot they need to help themselves. Extend a serious hand of peace and see how Israel reacts.
And a Palestinian renunciation of violence might happen if they had a chance at a decent life. Look, I'm gonna guess you're Jewish, so this is probably a very emotional issue for you, but you need to understand that denying Israel's role in perpetuating violence is only going to further isolate and hurt Israel the way it did South Africa, plus its feeding anti-Semitism.
I understand that it is a vicious cycle. Palestinians wanted to overrun Israel in the early days so Israel cracks down and then the crack down is used to recruit more people to this self defeating cause. This is why Israel needs a strong Palestinian peace partner so they can work together and denounce violence. Problem is that I suspect such a partner would be seen as traitors and would be subjugated at the barrel of a Hamas gun and rendered impotent.
Yes, like Northern Ireland, violence begets a cycle of violence. I think Israel could stand a little louder criticism from within and from her "traditional" supporters in the international community, which is exactly what is happening. We'll see what happens.
I think Israel could do more, but I'm not optimistic. Any Palestinian group which sides with Israel on a two state solution and against Hamas is likely to be ostracized by the people as traitors or to be attacked. It will be a slow process but if attacks continue, the Israeli PR system will yield governments too weak to 'stay the course'.
I think Israel should withdraw unilaterally with very generous borders and allow Palis to sort themselves out. But I wouldn't be the one risking anything...
If Hamas are really unpopular amongst Palestinians then that is a positive step.
Israel won't let East Jerusalem become part of a Palestinian state, the most Palestinians can expect is for it to become international territory (as per the 1947 plan) but under Israeli supervision. Right of return is ridiculous, but Israelis will settle for compensation as previously agreed (but do jewish refugees also get compensation?). These are no brainers and are bigger blockages than settlements.
When did the majority view amongst Palestinians become that Israel should be allowed to exist? Recently? The election of Hamas signals to Israelis that they still don't even tho a majority might accept a two state solution.
Conflicts like Northern Ireland are radically different: the IRA were always fighting for independence which is something the British could have given them. Those who fought against Israel were fighting to destroy her, Israel can't give that to them or even negotiate.
2. why don't you ask yourself, why the palis are so angry n unhappy. just pointing finger at them, but not at your own gov, which is basicly the root of the problem. zionist are like nazis. they just want their people and the rest they treat like shit. checkpoints, very limited freedom, ethnic cleansing, bulldozing houses, block building materials and so one. the palis just want 2 live in freedom like you do. why don't you want that,
The difference is that the people nazis persecuted never wanted to kill or hurt them, their victims were scapegoats. Arab states tried to destroy Israel several times, supposedly on behalf of Palestinians. Then terrorist not aiming for peace and a Palestinian state but for the destruction of Israel and killing civilians.
Did Israeli reactions to this threat cause it? No but they may have exacerbated it. The Palis just want to live in freedom? All they have to do is ask and be reasonable.
If Israel used Palestiinians as shields it wasn't the same as what the Palestinians did.
The Palestinians were shooting rockets from civilian neighborhoods as part of a offensive action against Israel and Israel shot back. which was the right thing to do.
As a result you had heavy casualties in those communities to the civilian population.
The point about Hamas using these people as shields is to shift the blame from Israel to the real people who were responsible for those casualties.
Yes, Hamas, mon grand, is to blame to some extent, but it doesn't make using white phosphorous okay, or bombing anyone just because they work for Hamas as a bureaucrat or police officer and destroying 3000 homes and firing tank shells
I didnt need the UN to make a report to tell me what was wrong and what was right in that conflict. It is sad that most people do need a report to lay out what is clear already. Hopefully consciousness rises about the world in the times to come.
there is a good solution to this U might think I am crazy but it will work give Palestinians the same amount of tech and weapons as Israel and let them sort it out I bet they will come to an equilibrium after fighting it out. only reason that Israel brakes Law and trues is because they can. there is no one to keep them in check.
I don't think that there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza.
British Col. Richard Kemp
If anyone can find an exception to Col. Kemp's statement I'd love to hear it. Nobody here (certainly no Briton or American) can claim their country is facing similar threats or has gone to the length Israel has to save civilian lives.
None of these people are accountable because at the end of the day, who is going to drag them into court? Who is more powerful than Israel and the US and willing to push that envelope? Answer: nobody. If this was actually a country where the people who are in charge of the affairs are immediately accountable, they'd be whisked out the door in cuffs in a second. Throw money into the equation, forget about it.
They are accountable, to their own people. If there was little or no threat from terrorism against Israel then the strong peace voice in Israel would prevail. As it is the Israeli government is accountable for any Israeli deaths due to leniency and can't afford too many. Politically they have to be seen to be doing something to stop rocket attacks and weapons trafficking.
If they were ACTUALLY accountable, they would be ending settlements, blockades, sieges, sanctions, and a war every hour since inception that has not been beneficial to the Israeli people. You can't blockade and sanction people, expect impunity & friendship, and say its for Israel'is safety, and more Israelis know that than not. They are unaccountable for the causes, but more than willing to be accountable for the noble task of bombarding those same people again for retaliating. Grandstanding.
First they have every right to build those settlements so why should they stop.
Second Israel didn't start those wars
When there is a state right next to you which you should remember only exist because of Israels good nature has avowed to destroy your country and are shooting rockets into your country what are you suppose to do.
Yes you can blockade .
All the Palestinians have to do is change their charter and stop shooting those rockets.
wtf do you mean israel didn't start those wars? the whole region has been at war since 48 when america and GB invaded in order to create a homeland for displaced european jews who were not wanted in western europe or the U.S. If Israel was a true democracy, there wouldn't be conflict. unfortunately that's impossible because the minority of european jews won't give up their power.
the israelis took their land. so they did te first step. jews(just 7%) and arabs lived side by side in peace before that. it's clearly the zionist, which take over the land of the palis. Woudn't you defend your property? arabs had to defend their property
the arab states might have been the ones to DECLARE war, but it was a reactionary measure. Imagine i decided to set up camp in your living room, you then try to kick me out. Is it reasonable for you to be blamed? Israel was set up as a Jewish state, inherently violating the rights of any non-jew who lived there, of which there were, and are, plenty. Jordan was set up for arab christians to live in, not europeans. israel is run by european immigrants, not native people.
The walls and blockades have (or are believed to have) reduced threats. You can't stockpile weapons, call for Israel's destruction and conduct terrorist activities without expecting those you terrorize to get terrified and do something about it! Short term these tactics work in that they increase security.
If Israel had a strong peaceful partner they could work together against terrorists, it seems however that as soon as Israel befriends one group that group is ostracized by the electorate...
no one is denying hamas are a bunch of dickheads. they all deserve to burn in hell and so on.
but you killed alot of civilians. thats the point. no one is trying to take israels right to self defence which is fair enough. but when you turn the idf a u.s funded killing machine on civilians? thats not right. regardless of intention
So the choice is do nothing and hope the problem goes away (slowly) or attack and be condemned? Which one do you think democratically elected leaders would do when their electorate are attacked and have been told by their enemy that they will one day be destroyed?
If anything civilian deaths are more 'legitimate' given that Hamas were democratically elected! Prior to this Hamas were a group who worked against Palestinian interests with foreign support, now they have domestic support.
number one theyre not legitimate deaths. since when did children vote. number two i dont care what they do but i can count on one hand the amount of israelis killed by hamas prior to this. plus a pretty effective ceasefire had been in effect which just happened to be broken a few days before obama came into power
The attacks were aimed to set Hamas back and destroy weaponry, if they could get better weapons would they be dumb enough to use them? Perhaps, perhaps not. Israel can't take that chance, how do u suggest they stop weapons smuggling?
Do you really think the IDF thinks, hey let's fire a missile at a school and kill some kids! Will be great for PR! If someone fires a rocket from outside a school and they don't retaliate at all, then Hamas know it is safe to fire from there.
Israel flagrantly violates international laws once again with impunity. No punishment. What else is new? For every 1 Israeli that has been killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict like 7 Palestinians have been killed.
Excellent point; Sherman's razing of Atlanta was a war crime. Grant's devastation of Richmond was a war crime. And the behavior of Phil Sheridan's troops in the Shenandoah Valley was fucking horrendous.
Now compare that to the gentlemanly behavior that Bobby Lee demanded from the Army of Northern Virginia when they moved north through Pennsylvania on their way to Gettysburg.
What a load of bullshit! Sherman didn't raze Atlanta. The fires were set by retreating Confederate troops to keep supplies from falling into Union hands. Richmond was devastated because the Rebels hid there and fired artillery from the city. What was Grant supposed to do? Not fire back?
Lee was no "gentleman". He was a traitor and his men routinely murdered black POWs. They also abducted free blacks in Maryland and sent them south to be slaves.
When is the report on war crimes of Cheney and Bush coming out?.... and I am not talking about waterboarding. I am talking about breaking International Law to kill thousands of innocent children for no reason.
I'd urge you to reconsider the right of return. Large population movements often occurred in the 20th Century to establish borders, was it Israel's fault that the people who moved found themselves occupied by Jordan and Egypt rather than in their own independent state?
Perhaps some form of compensation to help build their new state. But then should the equivalent number of jews expelled from Arab lands also receive compensation (it's a lot more than Palestinians lost)?
Compensation will not work (e.g. US v. Sioux Nation of Indians Sioux didn't want the money, they wanted their land back)
ask the people who have been living in refugee camps for 2 generations
Pre-war borders with no settlements on Palestinian lands, the right of return within the state of Palestine. Any Jewish people from any country around the world can move to Israel. Why can't Palestinians come home?
a solution to hurts a little of both sides, but it might work
Right of return within the state of Palestine? That isn't what I understand by right of return - I thought it was about those Arabs who fled during the War of Independence and who wanted to return to lands now within Israel but who understandably weren't allowed in 1948. When there's a Palestinian state they can do whatever they want within that state.
Palestinians will have to make more of a concession than simply accepting Israel's right to exist!
the problem is that israel's "right to exist" is not in accord with the desires of the people who lived there. In 1948, jews from all over the world displaced the jews, christians, and muslims from palestine and founded israel with american and british help. so, in reality, the people who have had their rights trampled on are the people who were forced into the gaza strip or out into other middle eastern countries. ever wonder why israels leaders are all white, they're actually european.
It was in accord with over 30% of the people and on terms more favourable than what they'd get now. People have had a potential country stolen but it wasn't by Israel, it was by Arab states who occupied them.
If Arab states hadn't come in and acted 'on behalf' (lol) of Palestinians then I'm sure there would be a Palestinian state now. If Palestinians had been given a choice in 1947 without Arab states' meddling then there might have been a civil war but a Palestinian state would have existed.
Israel has also arrested a former American Congresswoman, McKinney, in International waters. She along with dozens of other people from various countries were on an humanitarian mission to supply Gazans with food and medicine.
Things like cutting off aid show that isreal has a deep hate for gaza and does want their civilians to suffer. They are war criminals, plain and simple.
if the native americans attacked innocent Americans, that would wrong. but the larger picture is that the native americans were being demolished, massively.
similarly, palestinians may attack some innocent israelis, but the conquerors are clearly the israelis.
there is DEFINITELY no way to equate palestinian actions with israeli actions.
It disgusts me how Israel always seems to get a pass even though it's clearly guilty of war crimes. The only way we can get them even begin to change things is to call both of them out on their crimes and hold them accountable. We can't have favoratism anymore.
pff, defending themselves? saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and its a big lie that israel is defending themselves, they started that shit in 68 again...america and israel are the biggest warcriminals on the planet
agreed, my response was to people who say, "well all USA and or Israel is doing is defending themselves".....yeah the same way Hitler defended the Germans from the Slavs
Sorry but the USA attacked countrys on SUSPICION of weapons israel were acctually getting attacked .. but that does not allow for the use of human shields ..ect but it just seems worse because israel are better equiped so they dominate when they attack.... i duno whats right or wrong just saying dont jump to conclusions if you havent experienced what the Isrelis or palistinians are going through
He does think before he types. It's just that he's so eaten up by stupid that's the best he can do. Friction... is just a cowardly little needle dick that pumps up his ego be seeking attention in (of all places) TYT videos, where he already knows he's seen by everyone as a total ZERO.
Amnesty International doesn't care that 6000 missile have fallen on Israel. The only people firing from inside civilian homes is Hamas
charia2626 2 months ago
@cookisforeveryone they tried that but the Zionist want more of the land they already been occupying since 1913. UTUBE GEORGE GALLOWAY FOR THE TEUTH ABOUT WHAT ISREALIS ARE DOING TO POOR INNOCENT PALESTINIANS WHO THAT LAND WAS TAKEN FROM WITH THE HELP OF ENGLAND!!
RowDy718 3 months ago
Ye32 IS AN ISREALI PROPAGANIST SPREADING LIES ALL OVER UTUBE. HE ALSO SHOWED A YOUNGTURK LINK. THE BASTARD BLOCKED WHAT I WAS SAYING ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE TRUTH!! every body flag ye32 an stop him from spreading lies!!!!!
RowDy718 3 months ago
... cont'd (I'm English btw and politically no ties to Arabs or Jews). When the IRA bombed the hell out of England, obviously that was bad, I know relatives of those who did. But if the British government had retaliated by bombing the hell out of Ireland - that would be an entirely different ball game altogether, and we would never have had peace. It's just insane. If you are funding a terrorist GOVERNMENT REGIME, how on earth can you combat a mere terrorist organisation like Hamas? Insane.
SuGaRuSh14 4 months ago
I thought this was supposed to be a politically LIBERAL channel, but clearly you guys just scratch the surface with superficial jokey stuff (which I do like) but clearly you don't know anything about politics. Firstly, these sides aren't even comparable. Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANISATION, the Israeli side is the GOVERNMENT, which your country (the U.S.) funds. Yes, you fund their weaponry.... tbc..
SuGaRuSh14 4 months ago
Israel has 1/2 of 1% of the land they owned 640 years before Mohammed was born. You ship in more Arabs and say it is their land. The land and Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. If Israel decided to kill all of the terrorist and future terrorist they could. You Muslims have imbedded hate in your children and your civilization is dieing. Your women are stupid and uneducated and that is how you want it. People who's women are strong will also be strong. You teach hate Uwill die of war whoever U R
chingaters 8 months ago
Only less than 300 civilians died, and only about a fifth of those are civilians. And even then, 95% of Palestinian casualties are male, hint-hint. GAZA HAS ALSO USED WHITE PHOSPHORUS SHELLS!!!!
ZIONISTMAN1 1 year ago
@ZIONISTMAN1
This doesn't add up, you first say that 300 civilians die then you say that they weren't civilians.
And those 95% civilians being male doesn't justify it, most of them where young boys below the age of 12.
Gaza hasn't used phosphorus shells, do you have proof of them using it?
browser278 10 months ago
Only less than 300 civilians died, and only about a fifth of those are civilians. And even then, 95% of Palestinian casualties are male, hint-hint.
ZIONISTMAN1 1 year ago
95% of Palestinian casualties are male. So what that means is that the so called called civilians aren't civilians, they are terrorists.
ZIONISTMAN1 1 year ago
@ZIONISTMAN1
Being a male doesn't make you a terrorist.
browser278 10 months ago
isreal only a small country and wants a lil more . sure it was the palestinians land first but whats up with all those palestinian countries ganging up on little isreal. and yeah isreal did kill more palestinians but the kill death ratio is even. fuck Gaza turn it into a dump
neb933 1 year ago
Perhaps this neverending war should be solved by giving Gaza to neither of them
or simple cut in half each get 50%.
But my vote would go to neither get an inch of land, they have raped the Gazastrip for so long that the present day soldiers fighting weren't even born when this mess started. This will never end on the current terms from each side. I believe neither side deserves the Gazastrip anymore, call me ignorant but we all know this will be a neverending story otherwise.
CookiesForEveryone 1 year ago
forget who is the occupier and who is hostage. just look at numbers. 13 against 1400. you gota be freakin kidding me. they bombed UN offices in Gaza. 2000 rockets against one of the best army and airforce in the world. and stone pelters against phosphoresce bombs. God. The world is a crowd of shameless hypocrite pricks. No one and i Mean No one has left with any self respect, Something that makes you stand for the weak.
manidar1977 1 year ago
I think all wars should be fought in a fps shooter to settle out who wins
MrMeepMoopMeep 1 year ago
I think america should give all the occupate land from the native american back to them..All the land, all of america. And I think that south america should do the same. All back to europe. It only a few years that people colonized that country. They still oppress the people over there..You can see where I'am pointing at?
RoadlessPath 1 year ago
what ever happened to the palestinians right to self defense and their pursuit of justice???
Yemilady 1 year ago
Hamas showed thier ability to fight back in this war, they showed no backing down, and how you can defend against whatever you want, if you have heart.
LONG LIVE HAMAS
VIVA LA PALESTINA
chowdhurys85 1 year ago
@chowdhurys85 Hamas have a handcranate..where normal people have a heart.
RoadlessPath 1 year ago
GO ISRAEL!!!!!!!
warpedcomedy 1 year ago
(3rd try, damn auto spam blocker)
For those who believe the Palestinians act out of fear and a mindless hatred towards the Israelis based on ignorance please consider how much *you* actually know.
Did you know that Israel is the recipient of more than 60 united nations resolutions?
Did you know that every major power in the region is now calling for peace *except* Israel?
There's a lot most Americans aren't aware of. check out:
ifamericansknewDOTorg.
What are you afraid of?
tangent272 2 years ago
its just that us israely do not want to give over the Sudetes.
yoeldg 1 year ago
I wonder if perhaps "supporting" Israel in its current activities (ie' turning a blind eye to ever more egregious war crimes) is the most anti-Semitic thing a person can do?
Remember, back in the 1980's it was only the left that pointed the finger at Saddam Hussein when he gassed the Kurds; the right protected him.. Then things changed and suddenly Saddam was held to account.
Is Israel being given enough rope for some future hanging? Are we doing them any favours by helping this go on?
tangent272 2 years ago
@hereticrick5 my Grampa was a member of the CIA 50 years ago, he did alot of things that helped keep us safe from the Russians and Cubans. He was also a WWII vet who went in on D-Day so ya I support the CIA.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
God Bless Israel!
I support Israel which is under attack by terrorists and an evil type of Islamic warriors. Israel shall never fall and the Fascist Iranian President will meet his end if he ever tries to harm free land. America, Israel, and the good Islamic people must work together to defeat radical islam and maintain peace and freedom in this world.
You can say what ever you want but I love the US, British, Israeli, and Iraqi millitary.
★★★GOD BLESS AMERICA★★★
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
here is the true differenece between the sides.. Hamas is guilty of first shooting at civilian cities on porpes but is more guilty of shooting from palastinien houses there by making isael look bad to the world.the blood of both sides is on hamas hand MAKE NO MISTAKE! they represent riligious opretion and dictatorship so tell me IF HAMAS IS SHOOTING FROM CIVILIAN HOUSES S0 WHO IS USING THE HUMAN SHEILDS ! and if the civilians r willing to let hamas shoot from their house then they r no better
guyba7 2 years ago
Amnesty international is a bit more conservative and politically correct when compared to Human Right Watch and Bet selem
canaan1967 2 years ago
Listen up! Gaza is OCCUPIED by Israel. They are entiteled to wage war on their occupier.
Bigleg75 2 years ago 13
@Bigleg75 Israel took land that was occupied by Arabs......that is why they have war........ because they took someone's land.
Flipper79able 1 year ago
And how can you speak ill of Israel. ever heard of the Haulocost. Israel was created for the victoms of th Haulocost. They dont want to go through that again, NEVER AGAIN. My family was affected by it greatly. They have no choice but to fight or be exterminated and overwelmed. By an enemy that out numbers them 6 to 1.
If you have asolution to the problem in the mddle east then please tell me. There is a great sacrafice for the right to live and exist. I understand this, do you?
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
The houlocast has absolutely nothing to do with stealing another's land. You cannot justify your crimes by saying you were oppressed. Better yet, you cannot end your oppression by oppressing others who try to only help you.
Every single day, you occupy more and more Palestinian land and kill more civilians amidst the quest. People who are that cruel deserve to die.
box300zero 2 years ago
@TheyHearUsNow
In my opinion the current Israeli leadership is doing a fine job of finishing HItlers work.
If it really is about safety then the right thing to do is to live in peace with your neighbours and the first part of that is a:stop murdering them and b: stop stealing their stuff. It's not complicated.
There's a lot of water under the bridge now so I'm not saying peace will be easy but it can't even start until the killing stops. The alternative is genocide, one way or the other
tangent272 2 years ago
@tangent272 Israel is always in danger. The dream of the Palistinians is to kill all the Jews and Christians and they will do so untill the last drop of blood. Peace must be obtained but thats up to the Palistinians to decide. The Israelis should torture terrorists with important info to save inocent lives. Unlike us the Israelis are surrounded and must fight for their own survival. The Israelis dont murder, they have no choice. They must be brutal because of their situation of war.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@TheyHearUsNow
So, genocide it is then. I just hope that you and the others of your ilk understand that this is the choice you're making so you can fully apreciate it when the last Israeli and/or Palestinian is up against a wall.
And for your information, the Palestinians have been screaming for peace for a generation now but almost every ceasefire and peace agreement has been either ignored or broken by the Israelis.
Peace is still possible but Israel has to stop killing and stealing.
tangent272 2 years ago
@tangent272 look Im trying to have a good day pal. Your not going to convince me that Israel is a genocidal racist nation. Terrorists are genocidal racists who behead their own children for wearing the wrong burka. Palistine deserves peace and freedom but some Palistinians dont want peace and freedom. SO be it, they are selfish and they are bringing harm to their fellow Palistinians, but the terrorists dont care.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@TheyHearUsNow
When you say "Your not going to convince me that Israel is a genocidal racist nation" you seem to be making the statement that you're not open to argument, ie' your mind is closed to facts that don't support what you already believe.
Look, I don't have to convince you (thank goodness), the UN, Amnesty international, Human rights watch and a bunch of other international organisations can all do that just fine. What I said before is the consensus view, ie' pretty much fact.
tangent272 2 years ago
@tangent272 have you seen this TV show for children in Palistine. It featurses Mickey mouse and it had him get killed by a bad impersonation of a jew. They just hate Jews so much. But resently this other channel has countered them with an islamic version of sesame street. They do normal things like they do on the normal sesame street to show kids theres more to life then killing Jews.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@TheyHearUsNow
Yeah, there is a whole lot of bad blood betwene the Palestinians and Israelis, now. That's why I said peace wouldn't be easy.
There are extremeists on both sides; have a look at what the Hasidic Jews say and do, have a look at the Jewish settlers and what they're doing, they're more than a match for Hamas in terms of genocidal crazyness.
The point is, the government of one side is calling for peace and the other side is ignoring it. Fix that then worry about extremists.
tangent272 2 years ago
@tangent272 Genocidal Is what Hamas is. Israelis Kill Hamas to survive, Hamas kills Israel because of their hate. They have lived in such a bad neighborhood and have grown up just hating, and the easiest thing to hate in that area is jews.
Educate Palistine while deffending Israel.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@tangent272 If we educate the Palistinians they will not want to kill Israelis anymore. They've been trying to do that for a while now and they still have a long way to go. But peace shall be obtained through knowledge.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@TheyHearUsNow Keep on dreaming that peace shall be obtained throught knowlegde. Knowlegde and being muslim doesn't change anything. All the hyjacked of 9/11, the bombers of london, etc. all had a HIGH education, and still commit murder. They did because of the essence of islam. Education had no effect on them. That's what the left or media wants us to be leave..likewise with poverty..But poverty wasn't a issues as 9/11, bomber of london etc either, they all came from rich families.
RoadlessPath 1 year ago
@RoadlessPath It can be done, and it shall be done. If people are educated they can make a good living, if they make a good living their happy, this is what the left does not understand. MONEY makes the world go around, if people are making money they wont want to get into a fight. There are nut cases though whom of which are in control and prevent their peers from growing brains and keep making bombs.
TheyHearUsNow 1 year ago
my grampa was one of the first members of the CIA. he was a part of the Bay of Pigs and the CIA has tortured terrorists. Im not a fan of torture but I hope we kill plenty of alqaeda guys. The more dead terrorists the quicker we get the hell out of the middle east. So I will never disapprove of the CIA.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
Its easy for him to call Israeli soldiers war criminals because hes not the one fightin an army of suicidal terrorists one of the most dangerous places on earth. He gets to sit back in his soft chair with his clean bathroom, his good food, his nice apartment and do all the talking and no courage that Israel shows.
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
there is a reason why the hamas fire rockets/bombers at Israel. Occupation, restricting trade/ movement, building settlements in Palestinian land.
Israel then gets feed up with the rockets & attacks the Palestinians. The actions they did during that war were war crimes. Both sides at at fault, but it's the innocent civilians that always get the worst of it.
whater39 2 years ago
UN Watch Oral Statement
Delivered by Colonel Richard Kemp:
"the IDF did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare."
watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
hezi10 2 years ago
Well Israel need to give Palestinians them lands. which I still don't understand why they can't?
OutlawzAKA 2 years ago 15
@OutlawzAKA They can't because when they do, they use the land to fire on Israel. Would you like that?
charia2626 2 months ago
GREAT VIDEO, THIS IS REALITY
hammer91 2 years ago
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you worthless Turk Muslim pigs you are barbarians destroy Hammas stamp out Islam
mamus4 2 years ago
*wanted to kill
GoingOn9Lives 2 years ago
dont dare blame this on Israel. Palestinians as well as other middle eastern countries have been trying to destroy Israel for years, destroying towns and terroist attacks on the country killing thousands for years. If israel really wanted to it would be alot worse.
GoingOn9Lives 2 years ago
yeah, it could be as Israel has nukes and now a nutcase as leader - Benajim NetanYAHOO - he once said in a speech to the faithful that "an old book" told him this land belongs to Israel - so explain to me why isn't he labelled as a religious zealot? and with nuclear codes? very very scary.....
macspectrum 2 years ago
This is such bullshit - Israel is attacked for defending itself.
warpedcomedy 2 years ago
how can u quote amnisty when one of there biggest sponsers in Saudi Arabia.
Dont believe me?? check urself
prospamers 2 years ago
i hope u drop dead on ur doters wedding day.face 1st into the wedding cake.and every 1 is sad. I WISH U NOTHING BUT THE WORST
ITSGLENN83 2 years ago
Wow Israel sucks.
White phosphorus in the middle of a city? That is evil.
pokebum93 2 years ago 2
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Cenk Uygur is undoubtedly a Jew. The Young Turks were a group that carried out genocidal murder against 1.5 million Armenians in 1915. What the mainstream historians won't tell you is that the Young Turks were organized and led by Jews. Check out Israel Shamir if you want to learn something.
hoppercap 2 years ago
if the israelis were going into civilian homes without order from the commanders than it is OK(my guess is that is the case, because hamas does not give a shit about palestinian lives and dont care if there are human shields), my logic is that the soldiers also want to preserve there lives, so they fire from any windows they find.
Kalahridudex 2 years ago
Why didnt that lady say the same for the US when it invaded Iraq. Iraq had nothign to do with 9/11 SO why isnt Bush adn the government of the us being accused? the US backs Israel, because of the Zionist who control the puppets in place..
Idiots WAKE UP.
ViLLiSTa 2 years ago 2
yeah some one should indiscrimatinly diecide who should live and die
you hear yourself?
im sorry i cant believe an intelligent human can think that this is right
ilitupyourdad 2 years ago
funny but logically flawed...a "THOUSAND" ants are about as big as a small twinkie while a single ant eater is bigger than an average dog...this is what every human rights organization in the world calls "disproportional retaliation"
mohammadmurtaza 2 years ago
what are you like 12?
JulesPanuelos 2 years ago
yes Hamas fired indiscrimintly into Israeli territories but:
1, they have been under embargo for quiet some time
2. they don't have any better weapons so they really don't have a choice
Israel on the other hand used white phosphorus exclusively for retaliation against Gazans. they really didn't have to destroy entire buildings to kill a coupe of insurgents giving they much more sophisticated and accurate weapons
israel = pure hatred
peachybeach 2 years ago
I notice how Amnesty International charges war crimes for Israel & Hamas, but i haven't heard a damn thing about Darfur. I know it may be because it doesn't get much news coverage, i realize that. But it seems that most issues that are concerned to the world are things that go on in places like Europe, the Middle-East, Asia, and North America. I just wish we were at least concerned with everybody/what goes on where. And i know its kind of hard with six billion people on the planet.Just a thought
seabass743 2 years ago
Thats how all problems should be solved?
Screw Diplomacy and brotherhood and that crap
Kill millions of innocance cause we dont like to talk about our problems and get along with ppl
Reasonable?
No.
ilitupyourdad 2 years ago
it would start a nuclear war and we'd all be dead soon after
JulesPanuelos 2 years ago
It's comment replies, its a feature that should be used. I like to debate. What are you a misanthrope that thinks everyone should all die? Cause i am but I still wanna live to see what the future holds.
JulesPanuelos 2 years ago
So what is the punishment?
Really tactical bombing guys.
Paetaor 2 years ago
fuck israel, they haven't learned a goddamn thing since ww2, cut the fundings and let them fight their own fucking war.
stu66er 2 years ago
13 people from the al quassam brigades? logic would imply that if palestinie freedom fighters wanted to just kill civilians, it would seem they could kill alot more than 13 lol
Thuglordrpt 2 years ago
What are these fools fighting over? Oh yes..their God gave them the land so they could oppress each other. Whats war always about? Rich and powerful on both sides trying to increase or maintain their power..the poor are foolish and will fight for their imaginary and clearly incompetent friend in the sky. Get rid of God and those people can make a sensible peace. God of Jews gave them the land forever while the God apparently loved the Muslims later on and ordered the Jews dead or oppressed.
CamAtheist 2 years ago
Sounds like we have a bit of Hasbara on this thread.
ChameleonDave 2 years ago
What a great commentary. Un-biased and to the point. Well done. I've been following the conflict as far back as I can remember and Cenk said something today that I have never heard. "..'Hey, we only killed 13 people', that's because you could only kill 13 people". I tend to side more with the Palestinian people but he made a great point.
I recommend that everyone watch the 2008 BBC Documentary: The Birth Of Israel. Jeremy Bowen reports in this amazing, un-biased doc that takes you from day 1
illtrax 2 years ago
Desperate people do desperate things, especially when they feel their back is against the wall.
gmcmudder1 2 years ago 2
Funny, I haven't seen any coverage of this on American news.
Bladewing10 2 years ago
@Bladewing10
it's not funny...just sad, man really sad. the fucked-up coperate media. they don't care about the truth just money
SickBang 2 years ago
cenk how can gazans kill civilians when there is just israeli soldiers around?! what are you talkin about? if they attack turkey you wouldn't sit down and talk like that. they will protect there county don't they? You haven't been there. you don't know how miserable there life is because of the occupation. hamas is created in 1989 just because of the way the israeli government treated palis. if you don't get the root of the problem don't talk...
SickBang 2 years ago
He was talking about killing civilians with rockets and suicide attacks. It's terrorism and Israelis were terrified, how do you expect them to react? Do nothing? Bow to their demands and dismantle their country and leave? They had no choice but to fight an enemy whose sole aim was to destroy Israel.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Could you please explain the moral difference to me between a guy blowing himself up in a market and a guy dropping a bomb from an f16 into a market saddamuel?
chris3325 2 years ago
Could you please explain to me chris3325 when Israel has dropped a bomb into a crowded market with the aim of killing as many Palestinian civilians as possible?
Israel conducted the attack because Hamas continues to stockpile arms against the interests of Gazans and despite Egyptian assistance in the blockade. If Hamas made a simple move of changing their charter to say they want a 2 state solution from saying they want to destroy Israel, it would go a long way!
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Saddamuel, I agree with what you say. However, everything you have written (Israelis dismantle their country and leave, if Hamas accepted a 2-state solution, etc) must also be turned the other direction. Israel is, at least, as culpable for ensuring that the violence continues. And considering that the standard of living of most Palestinians is horrendous as a direct result of Israel's actions, what reaction would you expect?
eirefrance 2 years ago
Not 'at least as culpable'. It wasn't up to them whether they had a partner for peace in the first 30 years of her existence. Israel didn't kill the Palestinian state in 1947 or even deny their right to exist. They weren't even approached about a two state solution until the 90s.
I would hope that Palestinians realise their standard of living is a direct result of fighting against Israel and that a two state solution should be their main goal. If only Palestinians had a Gandhi.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Sorry, dude, if thats your response, you're an ideologue and your reasons for saying what you're saying aren't honest. I'm not trying to offend you, but when you say "If only Palestinians had a Gandhi", you sound like a jerk. Israel continues to support settlers who bring violence into the lives of average Palestinians every day. If only Israelis had a Gandhi, perhaps? You can't expect Pale. to turn the other cheek when you haven't even begun to.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I'm saying Palestinians should try peaceful resistance aimed at obtaining a two state solution rather than attacks and hostile negotiations with a country that they and those who fight for them say they wanted to destroy for many years. Why is that so bad? It's in their best interests!
Settlers aren't widely supported amongst Israelis. When they were removed from Gaza there was no great uproar. To say settlers excuse violence and calls for Israel's destruction is to miss the bigger picture.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Why am I a jerk for hoping Palestinians one day get a leader who can bring about a Palestinian state that can live alongside Israel? At the moment they have Hamas who hurt any hope of a Palestinian state by seeming to remain set on destroying Israel or they have Fatah who are corrupt and seem unwilling to make concessions in their demands such as giving up East Jerusalem and certain large settlements in exchange for equivalent areas of land currently part of Israel?
Saddamuel 2 years ago
No, you sound like a jerk when you say that Palestinians need a Gandhi, as if Israel hasn't perpetuated violence of their own, on a scale at least as bad. And what do the Arab states have to do with average Palestinians? Should they say "Its okay that my house was bulldozed and my daughter burned by white phosphorus, because Syria declared war on Israel". By that logic, every Jew in the world is guilty of Israel's war crimes.
eirefrance 2 years ago
You misunderstand. Arab states declared war on Israel in 1947. When they failed to destroy her they instead occupied what should have been Palestine. After Israel occupied these lands it was impossible for her to return them as it would have left her vulnerable to future attacks. Moreover Palestinians were kept as refugees and unique amongst refugees their children were also classed as refugees. They were betrayed over and over by their 'friends'. This set up the whole situation we have now.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Yes, and if I were having an argument with someone who was pretending that this was all Israel's fault and the Arab's were pure innocent victims, I might bring that up. As it is, I'm having an argument with someone who thinks this is all Arabs' fault and the Israeli's are all pure innocent victims. So those details don't come up right away.
eirefrance 2 years ago
It seems you want Israel to force Palis into accepting a workable peace. Treat them like children and trick them into doing what's in their best interests. Not only is that not Israel's responsibility but I find it insulting towards Palis.
If the issues you raised were a direct cause of terrorism then I'd see your point but they are more a result than a cause. There is no reason to think that simply removing them will have any effect! Israel won't take chances when it comes to security.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
I don't live there and I don't know what its like to live in a besieged country like Israel. I do know what a human reaction is, and I know how I'd react if I was living in the Palestinian Territories; the same way you would.
eirefrance 2 years ago
And how would you react if you were an Israeli? You hear violent rhetoric from Palestine, you see Hamas elected, a party whose raison d'etre is destroying Israel. If they don't even see any green shoots then how do you expect them to vote? They will vote for their own security if it seems there is no hope for peace and will have little sympathy for those who call for their destruction at the same time of complaining of mistreatment.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
I would do all of that, but since I'm not in either position, I have the luxury of stepping back and saying you're wrong here and they're wrong there. I try to take a balanced look, and what you have posted here makes me think you don't. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least you're willing to have a discussion, and I appreciate that.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I'm trying to put forward a view which is rarely discussed. It's said the media is biased towards Israel but I never hear people rebutting common arguments made against Israel.
In some cases people try to be balanced by not taking a view though one argument may be more persuasive. A desire to be fair can distort reality.
I tend to focus on how we can get out of this situation and I think the Palestinians have more work to do than the Israelis. They elected Hamas, a 20 year step backwards.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Once Arab states stopped trying to directly destroy Israel they supported terror. So despite the end of a threat of invasion, there was a threat of smaller but also terrifying attacks. At first these groups worked to destroy Israel so negotiation was impossible for a long time and the occupation dragged on, settlements grew etc... When a peace movement arose it was too weak, too limited and too late. Palestinians need to accept less than they want and get on with building their country.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
And Israelis need to accept less than they want (i.e., accept the 67 borders) or they are going to have to accept violence in their lives and international condemnation when they respond with violence of their own. Beating a people into submission has never worked. You want an example? Look at the Jewish people. Beating them into submission didn't work.
eirefrance 2 years ago
So the Palestinians and Arab states are allowed under international law to ban jews from visiting their holy site for 20 years and then to spend another 20 planning her destruction. When all this fails they can just say: 'erm hey guys. U know how we wanted the whole of Israel to ourselves before, well we're willing to accept the 67 borders now. How benevolent we are!' Seriously? No negotiation over borders? Now that is rewarding aggression.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Are the settlements allowed to expand? Do individual Palestinians face regular harrassment at the hands of the IDF? Has water been rerouted to serve settlements at the expense of Arab areas? To pretend that Israel is only a victim is to blatantly ignore the entire picture. Ever hear the phrase "look to your own house first"?
eirefrance 2 years ago
Such problems could be solved by a Palestinian renunciation of violence. If the majority of sensible Israelis felt secure then the settlers would quickly lose support. At the moment they are ignored because Israelis are more concerned about Hamas obtaining more sophisticated weaponry and following through on their threats.
Are Israelis suffering the most? No. So if Palestinians want to improve their lot they need to help themselves. Extend a serious hand of peace and see how Israel reacts.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
And a Palestinian renunciation of violence might happen if they had a chance at a decent life. Look, I'm gonna guess you're Jewish, so this is probably a very emotional issue for you, but you need to understand that denying Israel's role in perpetuating violence is only going to further isolate and hurt Israel the way it did South Africa, plus its feeding anti-Semitism.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I understand that it is a vicious cycle. Palestinians wanted to overrun Israel in the early days so Israel cracks down and then the crack down is used to recruit more people to this self defeating cause. This is why Israel needs a strong Palestinian peace partner so they can work together and denounce violence. Problem is that I suspect such a partner would be seen as traitors and would be subjugated at the barrel of a Hamas gun and rendered impotent.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Yes, like Northern Ireland, violence begets a cycle of violence. I think Israel could stand a little louder criticism from within and from her "traditional" supporters in the international community, which is exactly what is happening. We'll see what happens.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I think Israel could do more, but I'm not optimistic. Any Palestinian group which sides with Israel on a two state solution and against Hamas is likely to be ostracized by the people as traitors or to be attacked. It will be a slow process but if attacks continue, the Israeli PR system will yield governments too weak to 'stay the course'.
I think Israel should withdraw unilaterally with very generous borders and allow Palis to sort themselves out. But I wouldn't be the one risking anything...
Saddamuel 2 years ago
The unpopularity of Hamas is telling, even considering how badly Fatah screwed up.
eirefrance 2 years ago
If Hamas are really unpopular amongst Palestinians then that is a positive step.
Israel won't let East Jerusalem become part of a Palestinian state, the most Palestinians can expect is for it to become international territory (as per the 1947 plan) but under Israeli supervision. Right of return is ridiculous, but Israelis will settle for compensation as previously agreed (but do jewish refugees also get compensation?). These are no brainers and are bigger blockages than settlements.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
When did the majority view amongst Palestinians become that Israel should be allowed to exist? Recently? The election of Hamas signals to Israelis that they still don't even tho a majority might accept a two state solution.
Conflicts like Northern Ireland are radically different: the IRA were always fighting for independence which is something the British could have given them. Those who fought against Israel were fighting to destroy her, Israel can't give that to them or even negotiate.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
1. it's not self-defence when u attack them.
2. why don't you ask yourself, why the palis are so angry n unhappy. just pointing finger at them, but not at your own gov, which is basicly the root of the problem. zionist are like nazis. they just want their people and the rest they treat like shit. checkpoints, very limited freedom, ethnic cleansing, bulldozing houses, block building materials and so one. the palis just want 2 live in freedom like you do. why don't you want that,
Saddamuel?
SickBang 2 years ago
The difference is that the people nazis persecuted never wanted to kill or hurt them, their victims were scapegoats. Arab states tried to destroy Israel several times, supposedly on behalf of Palestinians. Then terrorist not aiming for peace and a Palestinian state but for the destruction of Israel and killing civilians.
Did Israeli reactions to this threat cause it? No but they may have exacerbated it. The Palis just want to live in freedom? All they have to do is ask and be reasonable.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
I say if because there is no proof that the Israel did use Palestinians as shields.
Amnesty International could say what they want but they have a history of being against Israel and therefore can not relied upon to tell the truth.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
If Israel used Palestiinians as shields it wasn't the same as what the Palestinians did.
The Palestinians were shooting rockets from civilian neighborhoods as part of a offensive action against Israel and Israel shot back. which was the right thing to do.
As a result you had heavy casualties in those communities to the civilian population.
The point about Hamas using these people as shields is to shift the blame from Israel to the real people who were responsible for those casualties.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
hey moron. ALL OF GAZA is a civilian neighborhood. Hamas doesn't have bases.
Let's take this case by case. remember that rocket firec from the UN school yard. ISRAEL FIRED BACK 40 MINUTES AFTER THE TERRORISTS LEFT.
that's right MORON. they don't report tha ton fox. 40 mminutes after the terrorists left, the entire school was bombed.
IDF claimed they fired WP smoke shells for troop deployments.
FACT: NOT A SINGLE IDF SOLDIER WAS DEPLOYED TO THOSE AREAS.
IDF soldiers also admitted WAR CRIMES
niceomo 2 years ago
Were you there.
I bet you weren't
So where do you get your so called facts.
By the way from what I read there were no IDF soldiers who admitted to war crimes.
From what I remember there were people saying that someone told them they saw someone doing something that one could describe as being wrong.
That's not the same thing as soldiers admitting to committing war crimes.
The accuracy of that info is questionable for the same reason hearsay is never permitted in Court.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
America should have no allies and no enemies.
KyleClarkUSA 2 years ago
yes! another believer in the neutrality proclamation.
soccerbum1616 2 years ago
Damn, they are fighting in a city, what you expected ?
Using sniper on the road ?
At least, they blame both sides, Hamas was firing missiles to Israel from schools !
tabarnakdostidcalis 2 years ago
Yes, Hamas, mon grand, is to blame to some extent, but it doesn't make using white phosphorous okay, or bombing anyone just because they work for Hamas as a bureaucrat or police officer and destroying 3000 homes and firing tank shells
QUINTUSMAXIMUS 2 years ago
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
-General George S. Patton
Kill em all!
tommysch 2 years ago
"We tried to be as surgical as [a surgeon with a grenade and chainsaw]"
JerkyChid 2 years ago
Imagine that.
War crimes are committed during a time of war.
bobbytiger 2 years ago
I didnt need the UN to make a report to tell me what was wrong and what was right in that conflict. It is sad that most people do need a report to lay out what is clear already. Hopefully consciousness rises about the world in the times to come.
ItzMeRon 2 years ago
there is a good solution to this U might think I am crazy but it will work give Palestinians the same amount of tech and weapons as Israel and let them sort it out I bet they will come to an equilibrium after fighting it out. only reason that Israel brakes Law and trues is because they can. there is no one to keep them in check.
aceone1988 2 years ago
I don't think that there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza.
British Col. Richard Kemp
If anyone can find an exception to Col. Kemp's statement I'd love to hear it. Nobody here (certainly no Briton or American) can claim their country is facing similar threats or has gone to the length Israel has to save civilian lives.
kissfan7 2 years ago
None of these people are accountable because at the end of the day, who is going to drag them into court? Who is more powerful than Israel and the US and willing to push that envelope? Answer: nobody. If this was actually a country where the people who are in charge of the affairs are immediately accountable, they'd be whisked out the door in cuffs in a second. Throw money into the equation, forget about it.
abortabraham 2 years ago
They are accountable, to their own people. If there was little or no threat from terrorism against Israel then the strong peace voice in Israel would prevail. As it is the Israeli government is accountable for any Israeli deaths due to leniency and can't afford too many. Politically they have to be seen to be doing something to stop rocket attacks and weapons trafficking.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
If they were ACTUALLY accountable, they would be ending settlements, blockades, sieges, sanctions, and a war every hour since inception that has not been beneficial to the Israeli people. You can't blockade and sanction people, expect impunity & friendship, and say its for Israel'is safety, and more Israelis know that than not. They are unaccountable for the causes, but more than willing to be accountable for the noble task of bombarding those same people again for retaliating. Grandstanding.
abortabraham 2 years ago
First they have every right to build those settlements so why should they stop.
Second Israel didn't start those wars
When there is a state right next to you which you should remember only exist because of Israels good nature has avowed to destroy your country and are shooting rockets into your country what are you suppose to do.
Yes you can blockade .
All the Palestinians have to do is change their charter and stop shooting those rockets.
Why don't they do that.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
wtf do you mean israel didn't start those wars? the whole region has been at war since 48 when america and GB invaded in order to create a homeland for displaced european jews who were not wanted in western europe or the U.S. If Israel was a true democracy, there wouldn't be conflict. unfortunately that's impossible because the minority of european jews won't give up their power.
soccerbum1616 2 years ago
It's true Israel became a independent in 1948 but so did Jordan
Just to clarify things it was the Arab Countries that declared war not Israel not England and not The USA.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
the israelis took their land. so they did te first step. jews(just 7%) and arabs lived side by side in peace before that. it's clearly the zionist, which take over the land of the palis. Woudn't you defend your property? arabs had to defend their property
SickBang 2 years ago
the arab states might have been the ones to DECLARE war, but it was a reactionary measure. Imagine i decided to set up camp in your living room, you then try to kick me out. Is it reasonable for you to be blamed? Israel was set up as a Jewish state, inherently violating the rights of any non-jew who lived there, of which there were, and are, plenty. Jordan was set up for arab christians to live in, not europeans. israel is run by european immigrants, not native people.
soccerbum1616 2 years ago
The walls and blockades have (or are believed to have) reduced threats. You can't stockpile weapons, call for Israel's destruction and conduct terrorist activities without expecting those you terrorize to get terrified and do something about it! Short term these tactics work in that they increase security.
If Israel had a strong peaceful partner they could work together against terrorists, it seems however that as soon as Israel befriends one group that group is ostracized by the electorate...
Saddamuel 2 years ago
no one is denying hamas are a bunch of dickheads. they all deserve to burn in hell and so on.
but you killed alot of civilians. thats the point. no one is trying to take israels right to self defence which is fair enough. but when you turn the idf a u.s funded killing machine on civilians? thats not right. regardless of intention
lordofalltheland 2 years ago
So the choice is do nothing and hope the problem goes away (slowly) or attack and be condemned? Which one do you think democratically elected leaders would do when their electorate are attacked and have been told by their enemy that they will one day be destroyed?
If anything civilian deaths are more 'legitimate' given that Hamas were democratically elected! Prior to this Hamas were a group who worked against Palestinian interests with foreign support, now they have domestic support.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
number one theyre not legitimate deaths. since when did children vote. number two i dont care what they do but i can count on one hand the amount of israelis killed by hamas prior to this. plus a pretty effective ceasefire had been in effect which just happened to be broken a few days before obama came into power
lordofalltheland 2 years ago
The attacks were aimed to set Hamas back and destroy weaponry, if they could get better weapons would they be dumb enough to use them? Perhaps, perhaps not. Israel can't take that chance, how do u suggest they stop weapons smuggling?
Do you really think the IDF thinks, hey let's fire a missile at a school and kill some kids! Will be great for PR! If someone fires a rocket from outside a school and they don't retaliate at all, then Hamas know it is safe to fire from there.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
America committed war crimes and no one cared. So who cares...
MuscleCatClothing 2 years ago
Israel flagrantly violates international laws once again with impunity. No punishment. What else is new? For every 1 Israeli that has been killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict like 7 Palestinians have been killed.
Fuck Zionist pig dogs who support this shit.
A86 2 years ago
Did he just basically say Sherman was the good guy?
Sherman's tactics were GROSSLY unnecessary, and he created resentment in the South that's lasted for going on almost 150 years.
tkwsni 2 years ago
You don't get to claim your the good guy.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Do you have one?
tkwsni 2 years ago
@tkwsni
Excellent point; Sherman's razing of Atlanta was a war crime. Grant's devastation of Richmond was a war crime. And the behavior of Phil Sheridan's troops in the Shenandoah Valley was fucking horrendous.
Now compare that to the gentlemanly behavior that Bobby Lee demanded from the Army of Northern Virginia when they moved north through Pennsylvania on their way to Gettysburg.
R3dp055um 2 years ago
What a load of bullshit! Sherman didn't raze Atlanta. The fires were set by retreating Confederate troops to keep supplies from falling into Union hands. Richmond was devastated because the Rebels hid there and fired artillery from the city. What was Grant supposed to do? Not fire back?
Lee was no "gentleman". He was a traitor and his men routinely murdered black POWs. They also abducted free blacks in Maryland and sent them south to be slaves.
Fuck that Traitor!
Jelperman 2 years ago 2
"Remember Fort Hood!"
... and forget the fake atrocities. You've seen "Gone With the Wind" too much.
kissfan7 2 years ago
KEEPIN IT REAL AS ALWAYS
oyshema 2 years ago
Israel is a terrorist state and it used Palestinians civilians as human shields.
jawwadgee 2 years ago 4
When is the report on war crimes of Cheney and Bush coming out?.... and I am not talking about waterboarding. I am talking about breaking International Law to kill thousands of innocent children for no reason.
SatwaMan 2 years ago 4
Israel dropped cluster bombs on Lebanon days before the ceasefire and used white phosphorus on civilians. Israel is on the wrong path
I believe in Israels right to exist, but I also believe that there should be a state of Palastine. WITH the right of return.
Please- peace in the Middle East
flowergirl1313 2 years ago 7
I'd urge you to reconsider the right of return. Large population movements often occurred in the 20th Century to establish borders, was it Israel's fault that the people who moved found themselves occupied by Jordan and Egypt rather than in their own independent state?
Perhaps some form of compensation to help build their new state. But then should the equivalent number of jews expelled from Arab lands also receive compensation (it's a lot more than Palestinians lost)?
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Compensation will not work (e.g. US v. Sioux Nation of Indians Sioux didn't want the money, they wanted their land back)
ask the people who have been living in refugee camps for 2 generations
Pre-war borders with no settlements on Palestinian lands, the right of return within the state of Palestine. Any Jewish people from any country around the world can move to Israel. Why can't Palestinians come home?
a solution to hurts a little of both sides, but it might work
flowergirl1313 2 years ago
Right of return within the state of Palestine? That isn't what I understand by right of return - I thought it was about those Arabs who fled during the War of Independence and who wanted to return to lands now within Israel but who understandably weren't allowed in 1948. When there's a Palestinian state they can do whatever they want within that state.
Palestinians will have to make more of a concession than simply accepting Israel's right to exist!
Saddamuel 2 years ago
the problem is that israel's "right to exist" is not in accord with the desires of the people who lived there. In 1948, jews from all over the world displaced the jews, christians, and muslims from palestine and founded israel with american and british help. so, in reality, the people who have had their rights trampled on are the people who were forced into the gaza strip or out into other middle eastern countries. ever wonder why israels leaders are all white, they're actually european.
soccerbum1616 2 years ago
It was in accord with over 30% of the people and on terms more favourable than what they'd get now. People have had a potential country stolen but it wasn't by Israel, it was by Arab states who occupied them.
If Arab states hadn't come in and acted 'on behalf' (lol) of Palestinians then I'm sure there would be a Palestinian state now. If Palestinians had been given a choice in 1947 without Arab states' meddling then there might have been a civil war but a Palestinian state would have existed.
Saddamuel 2 years ago
Based more on land
newari1 2 years ago
Will Israel EVER obey international law and respect human rights?
EVER?!
cut all aid to israel.
terror state, parasite, criminals
.
ballsauce666 2 years ago 7
Amen to that!!
Anjimom 2 years ago
Israel has also arrested a former American Congresswoman, McKinney, in International waters. She along with dozens of other people from various countries were on an humanitarian mission to supply Gazans with food and medicine.
saadasim 2 years ago
Things like cutting off aid show that isreal has a deep hate for gaza and does want their civilians to suffer. They are war criminals, plain and simple.
newari1 2 years ago 8
Top 5 Lies About Israels Assault on Gaza
foreignpolicyjournalXcom/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gazaXhtml
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and seeks to protect innocent lives.
Lie #2) Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israels actions.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians.
saadasim 2 years ago 2
one side is vehemently wrong here...
if the native americans attacked innocent Americans, that would wrong. but the larger picture is that the native americans were being demolished, massively.
similarly, palestinians may attack some innocent israelis, but the conquerors are clearly the israelis.
there is DEFINITELY no way to equate palestinian actions with israeli actions.
fahimh 2 years ago
It disgusts me how Israel always seems to get a pass even though it's clearly guilty of war crimes. The only way we can get them even begin to change things is to call both of them out on their crimes and hold them accountable. We can't have favoratism anymore.
araknafobia720 2 years ago
israel has the right to defend themselves
same with USA
that goes the same for Palestinians and Iraqis
Israel shouldnt expect their rights respected if they keep refusing Palestinians of their right
fsem10 2 years ago
pff, defending themselves? saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and its a big lie that israel is defending themselves, they started that shit in 68 again...america and israel are the biggest warcriminals on the planet
Martinez1887 2 years ago 3
agreed, my response was to people who say, "well all USA and or Israel is doing is defending themselves".....yeah the same way Hitler defended the Germans from the Slavs
fsem10 2 years ago 2
By rights do you mean to kill Jews because if let a lone that's what they would be doing.
bornbillsmith 2 years ago
Sorry but the USA attacked countrys on SUSPICION of weapons israel were acctually getting attacked .. but that does not allow for the use of human shields ..ect but it just seems worse because israel are better equiped so they dominate when they attack.... i duno whats right or wrong just saying dont jump to conclusions if you havent experienced what the Isrelis or palistinians are going through
AllyKaht 2 years ago
war crimes are koooool. YEAH!
friction00815 2 years ago
Another well thought out comment.
Think before you type please.
TimmyHaag 2 years ago
He does think before he types. It's just that he's so eaten up by stupid that's the best he can do. Friction... is just a cowardly little needle dick that pumps up his ego be seeking attention in (of all places) TYT videos, where he already knows he's seen by everyone as a total ZERO.
p12psicop 2 years ago
I agree.
TimmyHaag 2 years ago
i agree. I tired of people defending one side over the other. both r at fault
gatesoftroy22 2 years ago
so true
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