no more war make love not war..whyy must war.. ihate war please all civilian of muslim all over the world attack israel and make it like hiroshima - japan world war 2..
fuck jews isrealies is plaistines land and those bitches trying to take it away, how r we the bad guys and we dont even have a goddam pistol in ower mothafuckin hands just rocks, and u dont see us givin up we aint pussies we will fight till the end of the world, fuck jews, fuck bnush, fuck sherron, and fuck isrealies, god bless paliestine and R.I.P to the real arab soldiers all u haters can suck my dick
The land belongs to the Israeli people. If these terrorists would stop bombing Israel every chance they get, everyone will live happily ever after. Palestinians would then be able to work in Israel and get an education etc. If the Arabs take over Israel then they will just kill all of the people there. Who cares who the land belongs to?? If everyone can just "get along" then it could be everyones land. BUT doh now that won't happen will it?
Ummm before Israel was Established , jews lived among muslims, they werent killed nor tortured. But sum jews changed that and wanted more. now they have started a war that wont finish to Palestine has there full land back and if it doesnt matter who owns the land , then give it back to the palo's nd jews can live in peace. but its not that simple , 2 much greed from both sides.
just read your comment.they don't want to live in peace,they like killing,bombing.
get a life,sins when is it an act of terrorism to defend your country,you fool.
tell me sins wine is it forbidden to defend your country if foreign powers occupy your land.palestinians are the most brave people in the world,you can't understand that with your propaganda filled shit brains.
It's called American intervention and the way to perpetuate the War Machine. After World War II, the U.S. government sheltered certain Nazi war criminals who do the bidding for fascist war machine corporations.
You raise very interesting questions for which there are no simple answers. But there is one simple answer to the problem and it is called Peace. But just because the answer is simple doesn't mean it's easy to get there.
One of the experts on this region that I read is Juan Cole. He reads Arabic newspapers every day and blogs about them.
Mitch--In the middle ages, there was a diaspora, Jews left The Holy Land and migrated all over the world: Russia, Germany, Poland, Spain. The area became Palstine, and was for hundreds of years. In 1948, as reparation for WWII, Israel was created, imposed, on the area that was Palestine. (The Balfour resolution)It is true, there was no formal state there, but there was, obviusly, a people, and they and the Israelis have been fighting every since.
So, in a sense, the people of the Islamic faith were the first occupants of the land, in modern times? Israel as a state, was created as kind of reparations for the damage of the Holocaust?
No, the Palstininans were the first in Modern times, but they did not have a state. They had homes and farms. They were also there when the Jews lived there thousands of years ago. The Jews were one of many tribes. Israel is another example of how the Western powers created countries and divided up the world
around WWI and WWII and thus created huge problems.
That's not to say the Palestinians or factions within have not responded to their own detriment. Because they have. The truth is, Palestinians are fine smart people who place a high value on education, family and God. They have been tools of the West and also of the leaders of the Arab nations, as Israel's existence is seen as a form of western domination. By focusing hatred on Israel, the arab leaders solidify their power. As much as the Israeli deserve a state, so do the Palestinians.
Western powers have meddled in the Middle East and the East for a long time. Colonialism and Imperialism was the norm. The Brits were the biggest occupiers of other countries. Like India, and Egypt. These countries had to struggle to break the colonial hold and gain their own identity. Since WWII, the US has also meddled, imposing US friendly dictators
on Iran (the Shah of Iran) and on Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and sending billions to the Israel in dollars and weapons.
After years of denial, the Western World is mostly ready to try to create a state of some sort for the Palestinians. However, a coupkle of years ago, the Palestinians held and election and elected a radical government that engages in terrorism (they have no army, terror is their only weapon.) Before that they were lead by an old villan called Arafat. These leaders put themselves before the Palestinian people, and thus the people have had no relief from war and hatred for several generations.
Israel however is far from blameless in the struggle. The very concept of their state, a religious state, a state run by Jews for Jews,
who are The Choosen People in their own view, is hostile to the democratic ideals most of us believe in. How would like to be a 2nd class citizen because you aren't Jewish?
As a result of the struggle, Israel has created a huge concentration camp out in the desert called the Gaza strip and put a lot of people out there. The Palestinians are not free to come and go. Their only power so far are acts of terrorism. My thought is powerlessness creates terrorism which has been heinous. Was it 1962 when Palestinian terrorists murdered half the Israeli Olympic team? Repugnant! And yet, no people, no person wants to live without power over his/her/it's own destiny.
In the late 1980's under Reagan, Iran and Iraq were at war with each other, and the US sold weapons to both sides! I was walking through Jerusalem one day and two Palestinian boys came up to me and said, "Why is your country selling weapons to Iran and Iraq? The U.S. should be like a wise father. A father does give his children weapons to use on each other." At that time, the US was looked to by the entire world as a heroic nation and they expected us to do the right thing.
Arabs and jews have hated each other since time began, they are just more violent about expressing it. Same with Navy and marines, army and marines, air-force and marines...catholic and protestants, cats and dogs, hate is never rational and rarely explainable...why were people killed over a cartoon involving allah? Afghans killed humanitarians (beheaded men, women and children) because they were trying to teach afghan girls to read. Ignorance, my friend. You carry too much burden over this.
Initially the struggle was over land; however it has become so much more complex, also because the Arabs as well as the West are manipulating the situation to their own interest, think of land resources for instance. I hope there will be people who can answer your questions a bit better...
2/3 the region was divided in two states, one Jewish and one Arab, think it was in 1948 (not sure). Jerusalem and Bethlehem were supposedly to be International zones. The Jews declared Jerusalem as its capitol, but it's not recognized by the Palestinians or the United Nations...thousands of Palestinians were driven away from the Jewish state.
hi Mitch, first a late happy birthday to you, sorry.
Here in a nutshell a little i know about the origin of this conflict; it has been going on for well over a hundred years, and with a particular focus on Jerusalem (which, like you know; is sacred to Muslims, Jews, and Christians) the Zionists wanted a homeland for the scattered Jews all over the globe. Because due to international pressure after the holocaust (and a loss of 6 million Jews!)
hi ledvolta,at one time there was no such place as palistine,all that land and more was israel,but one of the important romans hated the isrealites,and called there land palistine after one of isreals old enemys,and changed the maps,this is not political corectness but the truthe,as isreal is surounded by nations that would love to see them wiped off the map,this will go on and on,no roadmap for peace will take away the problem.take time to read te psalmes if you are realy seeking the truthe,
thank you for your comment. The Israelis wish to establish a Jewish state, don't they? A place where Jews can live without persecution. Where does Palestine fit into the picture?
hi,the israelis allready have there land,its called israel,the political leaders in the world are forever giving it away,for peace,but the palistinians want it all,and no more jews on the planet.think about it,how much land has been taken off the jews so far,did any of it cause peace,no,it just gave the terrorist opertunity to be closer for there terror.the bible sais dont let your heart be troubled,all these things must come to pass according to the scriptures.god is in comand,peace and love.
Please go back further. In 1948, the political leaders of the world gave the land to Israel. That was wrong. Palestinians were people with a culture and tradition and economy living there. No one asked them. It was accomplished by force. In later wars (provoked by other Arab nations) Israel "won" more land than given, displacing innocent people from their farms. Radical factions within Palestinian community have terrorized Israel at the same time they provided essential services. It's tough.
Palestine is Roman for Phillistine. Remember David and Goliath? Goliath was a Phillistine. Arabs rarely used this word since Omar rode in Jerusalem in 642. Arabs cant pronounce Palestine. They call it "Filistine".The Phillistines were extinct by Roman times being destroyed by the Babylonians.
After Gen Allenby marched in the Brits revived the word Palestine. Arafat redefined it in 1966 to give identity to the Arabs rejected by other Arabs.
hey ledvoltaa, honestly by reading this that harpfelt gave you no proper information nd her point was . weell pointless (SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL PALESTINE)
Palestine was a countryif they say its not then lissen to this theyv got their own prime minister nd flag+ land
please if yu have any questions or concernns mail me.
now tht yu noe it was a countryit was peacful with muslims/christians/catholics/jews.
but unfortuantly the jews were full of hatred becaus of what hitler did to them nd the only country tht accepts them in was palestine. So, felt like they wanted more nd more...so started killing palestinians for land thats how they reply by killin innocent and innocent of ppl!
totaly suxx bro wat the hell this israeli..
no more war make love not war..whyy must war.. ihate war please all civilian of muslim all over the world attack israel and make it like hiroshima - japan world war 2..
dinorakus07 3 years ago
totaly suxx bro fuck to all israel people and army i hate war...
save our palestine live for islam..
dinorakus07 3 years ago
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i hope u'll get a bigger understanding.
agreeableviews816 3 years ago
fuck jews isrealies is plaistines land and those bitches trying to take it away, how r we the bad guys and we dont even have a goddam pistol in ower mothafuckin hands just rocks, and u dont see us givin up we aint pussies we will fight till the end of the world, fuck jews, fuck bnush, fuck sherron, and fuck isrealies, god bless paliestine and R.I.P to the real arab soldiers all u haters can suck my dick
nassabuu22 3 years ago
The land belongs to the Israeli people. If these terrorists would stop bombing Israel every chance they get, everyone will live happily ever after. Palestinians would then be able to work in Israel and get an education etc. If the Arabs take over Israel then they will just kill all of the people there. Who cares who the land belongs to?? If everyone can just "get along" then it could be everyones land. BUT doh now that won't happen will it?
Shyland45 3 years ago
Ummm before Israel was Established , jews lived among muslims, they werent killed nor tortured. But sum jews changed that and wanted more. now they have started a war that wont finish to Palestine has there full land back and if it doesnt matter who owns the land , then give it back to the palo's nd jews can live in peace. but its not that simple , 2 much greed from both sides.
msabih 3 years ago
They don't want to live in peace, they like killing, bombing and generally being terrorists.
It would not matter what you do to try and make them happy. They just want to fight and complain about something, anything.
Islam wants to take over the world, starting with Israel of course.
Can you just imagine what a world made up of only muslims would look like? They would still be killing each other over what?????
peakyone 3 years ago
brainwashed fool
CadVentor 3 years ago
Are you talking about yourself?
peakyone 3 years ago
just read your comment.they don't want to live in peace,they like killing,bombing.
get a life,sins when is it an act of terrorism to defend your country,you fool.
tell me sins wine is it forbidden to defend your country if foreign powers occupy your land.palestinians are the most brave people in the world,you can't understand that with your propaganda filled shit brains.
CadVentor 3 years ago
WDFF DONT TALK OUTTA YUR ASSS..
ITS PALESTINE; ND jews wanted it; WHEN ITS CLEARLY NOT THEIRS!
nd who the fuk said they wanted to take over the wrld? isnt tht more like yu fukin americans!
nd stfuuu long live islamm!!!
Braap1948 3 years ago
It was jewish land as far back as the birth of christ, so go kill yourself.
peakyone 3 years ago
Happy Birthday!!!!
drknsqueen 3 years ago
Thank you for your input, everyone. It's a sad state of affairs. It's a bad idea, to carve up countries!
Ledvolta 3 years ago
It's called American intervention and the way to perpetuate the War Machine. After World War II, the U.S. government sheltered certain Nazi war criminals who do the bidding for fascist war machine corporations.
desertjournalonline 3 years ago
ledvolta,
You raise very interesting questions for which there are no simple answers. But there is one simple answer to the problem and it is called Peace. But just because the answer is simple doesn't mean it's easy to get there.
One of the experts on this region that I read is Juan Cole. He reads Arabic newspapers every day and blogs about them.
Thanks,
Hairy Larry
hairylarry 3 years ago
Can you see the birthday banner in the shot?
Ledvolta 3 years ago
Mitch--In the middle ages, there was a diaspora, Jews left The Holy Land and migrated all over the world: Russia, Germany, Poland, Spain. The area became Palstine, and was for hundreds of years. In 1948, as reparation for WWII, Israel was created, imposed, on the area that was Palestine. (The Balfour resolution)It is true, there was no formal state there, but there was, obviusly, a people, and they and the Israelis have been fighting every since.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
So, in a sense, the people of the Islamic faith were the first occupants of the land, in modern times? Israel as a state, was created as kind of reparations for the damage of the Holocaust?
Ledvolta 3 years ago
No, the Palstininans were the first in Modern times, but they did not have a state. They had homes and farms. They were also there when the Jews lived there thousands of years ago. The Jews were one of many tribes. Israel is another example of how the Western powers created countries and divided up the world
around WWI and WWII and thus created huge problems.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
That's not to say the Palestinians or factions within have not responded to their own detriment. Because they have. The truth is, Palestinians are fine smart people who place a high value on education, family and God. They have been tools of the West and also of the leaders of the Arab nations, as Israel's existence is seen as a form of western domination. By focusing hatred on Israel, the arab leaders solidify their power. As much as the Israeli deserve a state, so do the Palestinians.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
Western powers have meddled in the Middle East and the East for a long time. Colonialism and Imperialism was the norm. The Brits were the biggest occupiers of other countries. Like India, and Egypt. These countries had to struggle to break the colonial hold and gain their own identity. Since WWII, the US has also meddled, imposing US friendly dictators
on Iran (the Shah of Iran) and on Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and sending billions to the Israel in dollars and weapons.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
After years of denial, the Western World is mostly ready to try to create a state of some sort for the Palestinians. However, a coupkle of years ago, the Palestinians held and election and elected a radical government that engages in terrorism (they have no army, terror is their only weapon.) Before that they were lead by an old villan called Arafat. These leaders put themselves before the Palestinian people, and thus the people have had no relief from war and hatred for several generations.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
Israel however is far from blameless in the struggle. The very concept of their state, a religious state, a state run by Jews for Jews,
who are The Choosen People in their own view, is hostile to the democratic ideals most of us believe in. How would like to be a 2nd class citizen because you aren't Jewish?
JamCamp06 3 years ago
As a result of the struggle, Israel has created a huge concentration camp out in the desert called the Gaza strip and put a lot of people out there. The Palestinians are not free to come and go. Their only power so far are acts of terrorism. My thought is powerlessness creates terrorism which has been heinous. Was it 1962 when Palestinian terrorists murdered half the Israeli Olympic team? Repugnant! And yet, no people, no person wants to live without power over his/her/it's own destiny.
JamCamp06 3 years ago 2
In the late 1980's under Reagan, Iran and Iraq were at war with each other, and the US sold weapons to both sides! I was walking through Jerusalem one day and two Palestinian boys came up to me and said, "Why is your country selling weapons to Iran and Iraq? The U.S. should be like a wise father. A father does give his children weapons to use on each other." At that time, the US was looked to by the entire world as a heroic nation and they expected us to do the right thing.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
Arabs and jews have hated each other since time began, they are just more violent about expressing it. Same with Navy and marines, army and marines, air-force and marines...catholic and protestants, cats and dogs, hate is never rational and rarely explainable...why were people killed over a cartoon involving allah? Afghans killed humanitarians (beheaded men, women and children) because they were trying to teach afghan girls to read. Ignorance, my friend. You carry too much burden over this.
nighttrainjames 3 years ago
happy bday. you are born around the same time as myzzty - channel.
MysterEy1 3 years ago
Thanks for birthday wishes!
Ledvolta 3 years ago
3/3
Initially the struggle was over land; however it has become so much more complex, also because the Arabs as well as the West are manipulating the situation to their own interest, think of land resources for instance. I hope there will be people who can answer your questions a bit better...
Peace
maya
happyfallen 3 years ago
2/3 the region was divided in two states, one Jewish and one Arab, think it was in 1948 (not sure). Jerusalem and Bethlehem were supposedly to be International zones. The Jews declared Jerusalem as its capitol, but it's not recognized by the Palestinians or the United Nations...thousands of Palestinians were driven away from the Jewish state.
happyfallen 3 years ago
1/3
hi Mitch, first a late happy birthday to you, sorry.
Here in a nutshell a little i know about the origin of this conflict; it has been going on for well over a hundred years, and with a particular focus on Jerusalem (which, like you know; is sacred to Muslims, Jews, and Christians) the Zionists wanted a homeland for the scattered Jews all over the globe. Because due to international pressure after the holocaust (and a loss of 6 million Jews!)
happyfallen 3 years ago
I agree, the road map does not appear to be solving anything. I hope there is a solution, though.
Ledvolta 3 years ago
hi ledvolta,at one time there was no such place as palistine,all that land and more was israel,but one of the important romans hated the isrealites,and called there land palistine after one of isreals old enemys,and changed the maps,this is not political corectness but the truthe,as isreal is surounded by nations that would love to see them wiped off the map,this will go on and on,no roadmap for peace will take away the problem.take time to read te psalmes if you are realy seeking the truthe,
harpfelt 3 years ago
thank you for your comment. The Israelis wish to establish a Jewish state, don't they? A place where Jews can live without persecution. Where does Palestine fit into the picture?
Ledvolta 3 years ago
hi,the israelis allready have there land,its called israel,the political leaders in the world are forever giving it away,for peace,but the palistinians want it all,and no more jews on the planet.think about it,how much land has been taken off the jews so far,did any of it cause peace,no,it just gave the terrorist opertunity to be closer for there terror.the bible sais dont let your heart be troubled,all these things must come to pass according to the scriptures.god is in comand,peace and love.
harpfelt 3 years ago
Please go back further. In 1948, the political leaders of the world gave the land to Israel. That was wrong. Palestinians were people with a culture and tradition and economy living there. No one asked them. It was accomplished by force. In later wars (provoked by other Arab nations) Israel "won" more land than given, displacing innocent people from their farms. Radical factions within Palestinian community have terrorized Israel at the same time they provided essential services. It's tough.
JamCamp06 3 years ago
Palestine is Roman for Phillistine. Remember David and Goliath? Goliath was a Phillistine. Arabs rarely used this word since Omar rode in Jerusalem in 642. Arabs cant pronounce Palestine. They call it "Filistine".The Phillistines were extinct by Roman times being destroyed by the Babylonians.
After Gen Allenby marched in the Brits revived the word Palestine. Arafat redefined it in 1966 to give identity to the Arabs rejected by other Arabs.
kreplach2 3 years ago
hey ledvoltaa, honestly by reading this that harpfelt gave you no proper information nd her point was . weell pointless (SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL PALESTINE)
Palestine was a countryif they say its not then lissen to this theyv got their own prime minister nd flag+ land
please if yu have any questions or concernns mail me.
Braap1948 3 years ago
now tht yu noe it was a countryit was peacful with muslims/christians/catholics/jews.
but unfortuantly the jews were full of hatred becaus of what hitler did to them nd the only country tht accepts them in was palestine. So, felt like they wanted more nd more...so started killing palestinians for land thats how they reply by killin innocent and innocent of ppl!
Braap1948 3 years ago