I read your thread on the Corral. It's funny how many of these people don't believe the car is capable of high 12's. A good suspension and driver go a long way.
BTW, CLICK the dammed link for the magazine article and they tell you exactly what is done. Shocks/struts/built rearend, full exhaust, a few intake boltons, underdrive pulleys, a 3.73 gear, and a few other odds and ends. What your looking at is a 1.67 sixty foot here fellas... the reason the car is in the 12s.
my 89 lx bone stock with a stick ran a 14.74 on original tires, i had a 3.73 installed shorth throw shiter underdrive pulleys and electric fans. and ran a 13.66. my friend had a stock 85 gt and ran a 14.19 he put in a 1991 302 all stock advanced the stock cam 2 degrees milled the block so the pistons were sticking out 5 thousansds cleaned up the heads by the exhaust ports cleaned up around the bowl areas put an edelbrock performer on it and a 650 edelbrock carb, with a 355 gear ran a 13.05
good job man, my 1990 coupe went 12.99 @ 102.85. stock long block, cobra intake, stock throttle body and MAF, stock fuel pressure, 16* timing, long tubes, under drives, 3.73's and 26x10.50 et streets boiling the tires off the line with a sad 1.74 60'. i was also launching around 5300 on the stock tach and shifting arounf 5500-5800. so who knows what the actual RPM was. stock srear suspension with eibach prokit and koni red's set on stiff.
Impressive man!!! I read the article and that's damn impressive. Last month I went 12.82@105.92 w/ 1.83 60' but I got the explorer mani and 1.7 cobra rockers but 168,000 miles stock e7's and stock cam. What are you shifting at and what are you launching at as well?? I launch around 5800 and had 11psi in the rear tires.
i agree th 5.0 is the best built .nice video.nice shifts but the fastest coupe i've seen run bone stock ,balls out no granny shifts and a drag radial ran 13.90 nothing faster.my 90 gt this fall ran a 13.3 with 150 shot and a leak between solenoids.should have ran 12.9 and has a bunch of work done on bone stock 170,000km motor.it is heavier then the coupes but no 5.0 runs mid 13,s none the less low 13.0s on a none touched fox body .impossible
@MrMattwatt this was from quite awhile ago, but I would launch the car by holding the rpms steadily over 5k and on the last yellow I would floor the gas pedal and release the clutch as the rpm's rose. Shift would vary between gears and I mostly did it by feel since I only had the stock tach.
haha i find it funny that some people dont believe that a stock motor fox cant do high 12's low 13 sec 1/4 mile times. Hell I got a '86 GT with a 1989 5.0 motor 5spd trans 3.55 gears, mass air conversion full exhaust and Im running 13.8 - 13.9's cutting 2.17 60ft on street tires and my mph ranges from 99 to 101. Gimme some slicks and i will be seeing low 13's for sure in my 3400 pound car with me in it.
@Tj1056 No, it means the engine is stock. Nothing has been done to the engine. Things bolted onto the engine are not changing the fact that the engine itself is stock.
Thus "stock MOTORED mustang" The motor is stock, no cams, headwork, intake manifold, or compression/displacement changes. The motor is stock.
@testy462 lol... bolt on are "bolting" on to the engine... like taking the stock air box off and putting a newer better intake on... that is modifing the engine... inside the engine or outside the engine its still not stock when you replace something... even throwing a exhaust system on it makes it not stock...
@Tj1056 which is why it doesnt say its a stock mustang... its a stock MOTORED mustang.
The engine, that thing between the framerails (under the hood), that huge block of steel, is STOCK. The Cams, heads, intake, and shortblock are stock.
Boltons are boltons, they arn't engine mods. Wake up and join the online community and learn the terminology. Any half baked fool can figure out what the title means.
@testy462 bolt on are part of the "motor" (motor is a eletric driven engine) stock... if you are replacing that which are in the "engine bay" you are opening up the intake and exhaust will give it a lot of power.... I/H/E I bet this has and that is replacing stock parts on the engine with aftermarket ones...
This is a video of a "STOCK MOTORED MUSTANG". The engine itself is stock. If you go to a junkyard or any parts supplier and order a ENGINE, you get the engine, not the exhaust/intake etc etc.
The car in this video has a completely stock ENGINE. "Boltons" as a term in the aftermarket community are considering anything not requiring opening up the engine (exhaust, or anything up to but not including the intake manifold.
@Tj1056 This car does not have any modifications to the engine itself, which is the entire point of the video (that you obviously missed). No heads, no cam, no intake, no compression change, no displacement change. The link right in the description is to a reputable (and huge) mustang magazine with a article on the car in the video as proof.
@Tj1056 Its not stock. Nobody is saying the car is stock, nobody. The CAR is modified, the ENGINE is stock.
The exhaust, throttle body, CAI, suspension, tires, are not part of the engine. Your completely missing the point of the video and the purpose of the car. Its to show you exactly how far you can go on a stock engine with the right power boltons and suspension parts.
The mod list is right in the description of the link.
@Tj1056 Seriously, what is so hard to understand about this? Nobody is saying you can take a factory foxbody and run 12s with it, but you CAN leave the power levels at near stock (with just the basic bolton parts that half of all 5.0L cars already have nowadays) and run 12s.
You can leave the ENGINE stock and modify a few other (simple) parts of the car (very cheaply) and break into the 12s. This is possible due to a good launch and the car being so light from the factory.
@testy462 seriously its not hard to understand that the Intake, exhaust, headers, and all that is part of the engine and if you take that off you are modified the engine... intake and exhaust for example let in and out more pressure.... thus making more power... thus making it not stock... not very hard to understand... like I said can the engine run without these things? no... they are main parts to make it run... part of the engine...
@Tj1056 How can you not comprehend this? I'm not sure how I can make it more simple to you.
The engine is stock. The exhaust and intake boltons, and other parts of the car, are not.
If you take a POS civic, put in that 13B, leave the motor stock, boost the hell out of it and run sticky tires and suspension parts and it runs 11s, then yes, you have a stock ENGINE 13b car running 11s.
Go to a junkyard and order a engine for ANY car. Then, proceed to bitch when they don't give you exhaust manifolds, the midpipe, catback, airfilter, MAF, and maybe even throttle body.
The engine itself, the longblock, the intake manifold, heads, cam, pistons, rods, crank, and block (not to mention another 100 other small parts) are stock.
Its like talking to a wall, only the wall is retarded and doesn't have any idea about the subject matter.
@testy462 LOL.... when I order engines I get complete engine to drop it in... what you are talking about is completely retarded as that is not a complete engine stupid...
The engine won't run without the computer. It also needs the fuel pump, lines, filter, injectors, and fuel rails. It won't run without all the wires to the various sensors, nor without the sensors. It can't run without the bolts to hold it in place, a starter to get it running, and it can't hover in midair by itself, so it needs the wheels, tires, and frame for that.
Are all these parts of the engine, because it relies on them to function? No.
@Tj1056 So yes, if you have a bunch of boltons and a turbo, but a stock engine, then you have a car with a stock engine. The CAR is not stock, but the engine is stock.
I am more than sure you can find plenty of videos with exactly this going on, just search for "stock longblock single turbo supra" to find all the supra guys bragging on making 1000 WHP on the stock longblock.
Its accepted terminology, and any fool could figure out exactly what they mean in this video. Stop being dumb.
@testy462 all i am saying is that the Intake headers are part of the engine... you take those off you are modifying the enigne... is it so fucking hard to comprehend what I am saying?
@Tj1056 I'm glad its your OPINION that the headers and MAF/filter/intake tube and throttle body are part of the engine. The entire rest of the world says they are not, and says that modifying them is NOT modifying the engine (or "longblock" if you prefer, or even if you don't) but I'm glad you think they are.
They aren't, its standard, worldwide accepted terminology for "engine"
Like I said, order a "engine" from a junkyard, then be angry when they lol at you for asking where the headers are
@testy462 LOL.... atcually its only ppl like you and the ppl who post stupid shit like this... everyone knows that modifying those parts are modifying the engine...
@Tj1056 Just to keep this going, your saying that anything that the engine requires to run is part of the engine right? I mean, the headers and intake tract (not intake manifold) are part of the engine? So the air filter, intake pipe, throttle body, headers, midpipe, and catback are part of the engine because it won't run without them (your definition).
So what about the battery, ignition switch, ground wire? How about your finger? It won't start without you...
@Tj1056 I don't see how you don't understand this. The ENGINE is the longblock, that is to say intake manifold to oil pan. This is what you get if you order a "engine" from a yard or engine builder. This is also what webster defines as an engine in his dictionary (must be another stupid person, that webster lol)
The rest of the stuff is called "bolt ons". The exhaust is not part of the engine. The intake tract isn't either. Get with it.
@testy462 You are dancing way aroung it so you can justify this video. I love fox body mustangs and I have one of my own and I would still never put stock anywhere in this video unless it was in front the words "long block". Even then, the engine may have ported heads that the owner is unaware of. You sure can't tell from the outside. It may also have a production camshaft from a Cobra etc giving it more power with a stock-sounding idle. All I know for sure is that this CAR has a dozen mods.
@testy462 If you read the article, they call it stock and then go on to list handfuls of mods throughout the article. It is misleading and not really fair if you ask me. I've argued this point over and over and it just comes down to each person's opinion of "stock" and "motor". I would call the fuel system, intake system, ignition system, and exhaust system part of the "motor" because every "motor" has these things and needs them to run (except for the exhaust system, but who runs open HEADS?)
@testy462 There are too many variables in the equation. The long block may or may not be stock. Factories did some wierd things back in the day, like putting the LS6 or whatever in fourth gen F body cars when they ran out of LS1s. They could easily have put a '93 Coba motor in this coupe for who knows what reason. Hopefully the owner and/or 5.0 Mustang mag could see the 3 bars on the heads and tell but you never know. The car made 225 wheel stock, almost unheard of for an E7 motor.
@gtdrummerdude Its simply not within your understanding to figure out it has a stock engine is it? The ENGINE is stock. The point of this video, and the documented magazine article, is to show what you can/could do with a stock engine foxbody with simple boltons like exhuast/intake, and some suspension work.
Thats the point, and your missing it. Lots of people can and have done this same thing. The 1/4 mile is ALL about launch, and if you get it down into the 1.6 zone 12s are easy.
@gtdrummerdude If you watch the vid, you see he is only trapping 103 MPH.. not really that surprising/out of line for a stock notchback 5 speed coupe fox. Most of the time you see them (bone stock or nearly so) going low low 14s at 101/102 MPH. Throw on some suspension mods, the lightweight rims (with skinnys) shown here, the exhaust and intake boltons, and the either slick or really sticky drag radial shown here, whats so hard to believe?
@testy462 LOL 101/102 bone stone? Don't think so bud. Maybe if you live in new england. Out here in Phoenix 98 is about the fastest i've seen a stock/lightly modded fox go.
@gtdrummerdude You need to go someplace with good air and a sticky track. Bone stock lx notch 5spd cars have been known to go high 13s with a great driver.
Its just all in the launch, look at the trap speed... 103 MPH. Thats the point, its barely trapping higher than a stock 5 liter, at most a few MPH. Its all in the launch, this is what suspension and stick tires can do for a car even if its not making much horsepower over stock. The car is going 1.6 60' times.
@gtdrummerdude And that's the point everyone is missing. The entire point of the article in a very well known and documented magazine was to show how even at near stock power levels he was running a great time for so little done. If it had motor work the magazine would not even bothered to do an article on a high 12 second car.
@testy462 Dude 98 mph is a good trap for a stock 5.0 Mustang anywhere in the country, and in my experience 5 mph equals about 50 hp. So this guy is up 50 hp from stock. That's pretty significant.
@gtdrummerdude Going from 98 MPH to 105 doesn't take 50 horsepower.
You can't even make a statement like that. It takes ALOT less power to go from say 98 to 105 than it would from 105 to 112MPH. It gets progressivly harder and harder (more power) to increase MPH.
Its all on the magazine, 5.0 and super fords is one of the biggest mustang mag's out there. On top of that, there's the engine pic with the stock intake, and you can clearly hear there isn't a cam.
@testy462 Picking up 7 mph doesn't take 50 hp? Are you kidding? So what you think you can add a set of pulleys, delete the smog pump and power steering pump and pick up 7 mph? I have dyno numbers before and after installing GT40P heads with TFS springs on my car and I gained exactly 43 hp (from D8 heads) and 5 - 6 mph in a 2850 lb car. That's called experience, you are bench racing and i'm done with it. 5.0 mag isn't going to have a review of a slow mustang, that would hurt profit.
@gtdrummerdude Obviously your "experence" is like half the fools out there... they add power without adding suspension.
This guy added basic boltons and then worked the hell out of the suspension. The result is great 60' times and a slight improvement in MPH.
There is no standard horsepower per MPH that can have any real world application. Not only would it be different for every setup, but as stated going from 98 or 100 to 103 isn't nearly as hard as 120 to 125.
@gtdrummerdude I simply find it amazing nobody can believe the results of this video. its documented in a very very well known and respected mustang/ford mag, and his MPH is slow. I went 101/102 MPH in a much heavier car (00 GT 2v) and only 230~ WHP (CAI and mufflers). This guy is easily putting down that to the tire in a much lighter car with a much much harder launch.
@gtdrummerdude And if you have all this "real world experence" you should realise what a 1.67 60' will do for a otherwise basically stock power output car.
Not to mention he's running a set of skinnys and weld draglights (an easy 1-3 MPH there no problem). Anyone with any real knowledge of a fox based car can see how easy it would be to hit 12s with this setup. This same car is going to be getting whipped by low 13s second cars on the street, but on the track launch is king.
@testy462 I believe that this run happened alright, my argument is simply that putting the word stock in the title is misleading, and that the results are misleading. They are in perfect conditions, not Arizona in the summer or Colorado or Iowa etc. I'd probly run 12.50 on all-season tires in NJ but I don't call my car a 12.50 car. And 103 mph isn't slow for a 5.0L, so quit with that. The 2011 5.0s are barely breaking that here, and fourth gen GTs can hardly hit 97 mph in the winter here.
@gtdrummerdude If your seeing 103 MPH traps in the 2011 5.0s either someone can't drive or the air is REALLY bad.
The ENGINE (the vid says motor but whatever) is stock. it has a stock longblock. That was the entire point of the article and video, and your missing it. this shows what you can do with suspension work and a sticky tire. The 1/4 is ALL about launch, this guy is getting it done because of a mean 60' and some sharp driving in good air.
@testy462 I've seen 107 mph from the new 5.0 with exhaust and intake etc. You call the engine stock. I disagree based on my understanding of the word "engine" which is a collage of parts that allow fuel and air to be burned to turn force into reciprocating motion. In order for that to happen a fuel system, air induction system and ignition system are required, and an exhaust system increases the scavenging affect thereby helping the process. Thus these parts are part of the engine.
@gtdrummerdude Your argueing semantics when the reality is everyone knows exactly what is meant in this video. Its in the dammed link for pete's sake, exactly what is done to the car.
Just stop. As stated before, a air filter or midpipe is not part of the "engine", its part of the car. You could argue it won't run without the bolts holding down the engine to the frame either, or the transmission, or the rearend (won't move) but its not part of the engine.
@gtdrummerdude And you can think whatever you like, the rest of the world knows exactly what "boltons" are and what the difference is between a 10 minute job to swap in a CAI intake and breaking open the engine for a cam or head change.
Basically, you don't want to admit that your wrong, so your making up a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with the arguement. The engine, the longblock, the rotating assembly, heads, cam, and intake, are stock. Get over it.
@testy462 Too bad my opinion heavily outweighs yours as I have a degree in Automotive Technology and have been through many engines and transmissions. I stated my opinion and you can't handle it obviously.
@gtdrummerdude ROFL, hows that 12 dollar an hour job treating you, changing oil at the local mopar dealer?
Rofl, your opinion is one thing, and then what everyone else on the planet involved in both automotive and performance automotive is another.
I would love to hear you have a conversation with a junkyard. "I ordered a motor from you, where is the air filter, exhaust, and bolts to put it in " the pure silence you hear on the other end of the phone is them marveling at your stupidity.
@testy462 I don't currently work there, but I was a full time tech at Sanderson Lincoln Mercury Volvo dealer here in Phx. It is one of the best service centers in the state. You can say rofl 40 times, but it won't change the fact that I am heavily involved in the automotive performance world and have been for years. If I bought an engine from a yard I certainly would not buy a short block with exposed pistons... I would want a complete engine intake to manifolds.
@gtdrummerdude In the 1/4 mile, trap speed (and not ET) is how you measure horsepower, and the 103 MPH trap clearly shows this car isn't making much.
What your seeing is the beauty of the foxbody... a lightweight RWD platform. Get something weighing around 3000 LB to 60' in the 1.5 or 1.6 range and you DONT need a ton of horsepower to break into the 12s.
@Tj1056 BTW, I had to LOL at the thought of you trying to get an exhaust leak fixed. You go to your mechanic and tell him "My ENGINE has a hole in it, its really loud".
He calls back, says "no hole in the engine, wtf are you talking about".
"my engine dammit, the hole"!
"I don't see it, come over and point it out"!
(You point at muffler) "see right there, the ENGINE"
Mechanic: "........ looks like you need a complete engine rebuild. Thats $10,000"
Yeah, stock 205/15s. It was a very basic 87 coupe, no power accesories. It weighed 3020 with a half a tank of gas. I've had a quite a few stangs, but that was the quickest stock. They all run from 13.2-14.1 stock, the mph is always from 97.5-102. The 87-88s are the fastest, I even had a stock 88 gt convertible that ran 13.76@100.3 with every power option possible.
he said stock motor. search 5.0 magazine, they ran a 12.95 with a 89 lx hatch. stock motor. had drag radials and some suspension work done. not much else.
These are fairly common numbers for a stock coupe with just exhaust, gears, and pulleys with a 15min tune. I had an 87 that ran really low 13s bone stock, on street tires, paper filter and all, just a 15min tune-up.
@AMRennsports I m sorry i dont believe low 13s all stock.These cars have 225 h.p and as a rule they run low to mid 14s in all stock form.Bumping up the timing wont shave 8 or 9 tenths!
I just posted a video response of a Factory Bone Stock 5.0 Coupe running a 14.1
not bad at all... The only other car from that era that could do that was the Grand National... No Camaro, Z28, IROC-Z or Firebird, Formula or Trans Am could run that. The best a 1LE optioned IROC-Z Camaro ever did was a 14.4
It might be possible for a stock engined 5.0 to run a 12.9. It launched pretty hard! so I think a lot of money went into the suspension, it's geared too, probably took a lot of weight off too. I dunno though, just guessin'
@RustyShacklefordd you hit the nail right on the head with the weight comment.... Its all about weight, and a 5.0 Mustang LX Coupe (Notchback) was only 3,000 lbs from the factory. So it wouldn't be hard getting the fat trimmed down around 2,800 lbs or lower.
I Live only 20 minuts from Atco. let me know what you have done to the car to go that fast. i have a friend who says that stock motored Stangs don't run that fast. Please reply. Maybe i'll see you there.
@recklesswit2891 actually no stock 5.0 Mustang ever ran a 13 second quarter mile. The best any could do was the 5.0 LX Coupe (Notchback) which could run a low 14, and the heavier LX hatch and GT was lucky to run a mid 14. Watch my videos (1986-87 MuscleCar Challenge) for some factory bone stock heads-up drag racing...
what kind/size of tires are you running?
bwizzl 3 weeks ago
ok, does anyone else notice the power shifting and chirping in every gear? D: poor clutch
fallbutlive 3 months ago
@fallbutlive driver mods?
jody24ful 2 months ago
@fallbutlive driver mods?
jody24ful 2 months ago
@fallbutlive why is it doing that? Im confused of what it is haa
lolhaze12 9 hours ago in playlist 5.0 mustangs
dome pistons, hide nitrous
VICTOR400HP 4 months ago
Damn it chirped every gear! ahaha
arich357 7 months ago
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fomoco30 8 months ago
I read your thread on the Corral. It's funny how many of these people don't believe the car is capable of high 12's. A good suspension and driver go a long way.
fomoco30 8 months ago
that sucker scoots
dcblaylock81 10 months ago
BTW, CLICK the dammed link for the magazine article and they tell you exactly what is done. Shocks/struts/built rearend, full exhaust, a few intake boltons, underdrive pulleys, a 3.73 gear, and a few other odds and ends. What your looking at is a 1.67 sixty foot here fellas... the reason the car is in the 12s.
testy462 10 months ago
my stock 94 ran a 13.4 on the second pass its got 340 thosand km 308 gears and a stick
i belive a 12 sec pass is possible
rapider86 10 months ago 2
what do you have done to this? a stock 5.0 does about 14.3 in a quarter
Kawasakiforlife7 10 months ago
its probably got 4.30 gears?
BuiltFordTough10 1 year ago
heres something i heard that if you put a set of 1.7 rockers on a stock 302 you will then hear a slight cam sound from the exhaust.
phillydacheese 1 year ago
@phillydacheese i heard if you take out all the pushrods, it will run really quiet.
Nza420 11 months ago
my 89 lx bone stock with a stick ran a 14.74 on original tires, i had a 3.73 installed shorth throw shiter underdrive pulleys and electric fans. and ran a 13.66. my friend had a stock 85 gt and ran a 14.19 he put in a 1991 302 all stock advanced the stock cam 2 degrees milled the block so the pistons were sticking out 5 thousansds cleaned up the heads by the exhaust ports cleaned up around the bowl areas put an edelbrock performer on it and a 650 edelbrock carb, with a 355 gear ran a 13.05
phillydacheese 1 year ago
Ok so whats done to it so that it runs 12s and all others run 14s?????It cant be stock it traps 104 and everyone else goes 97mph.
camirocz 1 year ago
good job man, my 1990 coupe went 12.99 @ 102.85. stock long block, cobra intake, stock throttle body and MAF, stock fuel pressure, 16* timing, long tubes, under drives, 3.73's and 26x10.50 et streets boiling the tires off the line with a sad 1.74 60'. i was also launching around 5300 on the stock tach and shifting arounf 5500-5800. so who knows what the actual RPM was. stock srear suspension with eibach prokit and koni red's set on stiff.
coupestanger90 1 year ago
Impressive man!!! I read the article and that's damn impressive. Last month I went 12.82@105.92 w/ 1.83 60' but I got the explorer mani and 1.7 cobra rockers but 168,000 miles stock e7's and stock cam. What are you shifting at and what are you launching at as well?? I launch around 5800 and had 11psi in the rear tires.
ttopgt 1 year ago
i agree th 5.0 is the best built .nice video.nice shifts but the fastest coupe i've seen run bone stock ,balls out no granny shifts and a drag radial ran 13.90 nothing faster.my 90 gt this fall ran a 13.3 with 150 shot and a leak between solenoids.should have ran 12.9 and has a bunch of work done on bone stock 170,000km motor.it is heavier then the coupes but no 5.0 runs mid 13,s none the less low 13.0s on a none touched fox body .impossible
5literkid34 1 year ago
5.0 mustang best car made in the 20th century!
XxMusclecarsxX 1 year ago
can i ask what tire pressure, what launch rpm and shift rpm. I also have a reef blue notch with same boltons. thanks a lot, awesome videos
MrMattwatt 1 year ago
@MrMattwatt this was from quite awhile ago, but I would launch the car by holding the rpms steadily over 5k and on the last yellow I would floor the gas pedal and release the clutch as the rpm's rose. Shift would vary between gears and I mostly did it by feel since I only had the stock tach.
EricRihlmann 1 year ago
haha i find it funny that some people dont believe that a stock motor fox cant do high 12's low 13 sec 1/4 mile times. Hell I got a '86 GT with a 1989 5.0 motor 5spd trans 3.55 gears, mass air conversion full exhaust and Im running 13.8 - 13.9's cutting 2.17 60ft on street tires and my mph ranges from 99 to 101. Gimme some slicks and i will be seeing low 13's for sure in my 3400 pound car with me in it.
y0madi 1 year ago
@y0madi same here brotha.......86GT with a 92 motor in it, things a beast.
dbl0ck13 1 year ago
@y0madi NEVER YOU GUYS ARE ALL DREAMERS.A bone stock 5.0 gt is a 14.3 at best and an lx 14.1 at best. Anything better its been played with .
camirocz 1 year ago
@camirocz It says stock MOTOR, not stock car. Obviously not a stock car.
The motor itself is stock. This means boltons and suspension/tires only, no cam, no heads, no intake, no upping the compression, etc etc.
testy462 10 months ago
@testy462 stock engine means no bolt ons... nothing to do with the engine performance wize...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 No, it means the engine is stock. Nothing has been done to the engine. Things bolted onto the engine are not changing the fact that the engine itself is stock.
Thus "stock MOTORED mustang" The motor is stock, no cams, headwork, intake manifold, or compression/displacement changes. The motor is stock.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 lol... bolt on are "bolting" on to the engine... like taking the stock air box off and putting a newer better intake on... that is modifing the engine... inside the engine or outside the engine its still not stock when you replace something... even throwing a exhaust system on it makes it not stock...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 which is why it doesnt say its a stock mustang... its a stock MOTORED mustang.
The engine, that thing between the framerails (under the hood), that huge block of steel, is STOCK. The Cams, heads, intake, and shortblock are stock.
Boltons are boltons, they arn't engine mods. Wake up and join the online community and learn the terminology. Any half baked fool can figure out what the title means.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 bolt on are part of the "motor" (motor is a eletric driven engine) stock... if you are replacing that which are in the "engine bay" you are opening up the intake and exhaust will give it a lot of power.... I/H/E I bet this has and that is replacing stock parts on the engine with aftermarket ones...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 Is English your first language?
This is a video of a "STOCK MOTORED MUSTANG". The engine itself is stock. If you go to a junkyard or any parts supplier and order a ENGINE, you get the engine, not the exhaust/intake etc etc.
The car in this video has a completely stock ENGINE. "Boltons" as a term in the aftermarket community are considering anything not requiring opening up the engine (exhaust, or anything up to but not including the intake manifold.
testy462 8 months ago
@Tj1056 This car does not have any modifications to the engine itself, which is the entire point of the video (that you obviously missed). No heads, no cam, no intake, no compression change, no displacement change. The link right in the description is to a reputable (and huge) mustang magazine with a article on the car in the video as proof.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 then there is no way a completely stock 5.0 will do the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds... plain and simple
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 Its not stock. Nobody is saying the car is stock, nobody. The CAR is modified, the ENGINE is stock.
The exhaust, throttle body, CAI, suspension, tires, are not part of the engine. Your completely missing the point of the video and the purpose of the car. Its to show you exactly how far you can go on a stock engine with the right power boltons and suspension parts.
The mod list is right in the description of the link.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 so a stock engine will run with all that taken off?
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 Seriously, what is so hard to understand about this? Nobody is saying you can take a factory foxbody and run 12s with it, but you CAN leave the power levels at near stock (with just the basic bolton parts that half of all 5.0L cars already have nowadays) and run 12s.
You can leave the ENGINE stock and modify a few other (simple) parts of the car (very cheaply) and break into the 12s. This is possible due to a good launch and the car being so light from the factory.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 seriously its not hard to understand that the Intake, exhaust, headers, and all that is part of the engine and if you take that off you are modified the engine... intake and exhaust for example let in and out more pressure.... thus making more power... thus making it not stock... not very hard to understand... like I said can the engine run without these things? no... they are main parts to make it run... part of the engine...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@testy462 so from what you say above I can say I have a stock engine 13b running 11 seconds...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 How can you not comprehend this? I'm not sure how I can make it more simple to you.
The engine is stock. The exhaust and intake boltons, and other parts of the car, are not.
If you take a POS civic, put in that 13B, leave the motor stock, boost the hell out of it and run sticky tires and suspension parts and it runs 11s, then yes, you have a stock ENGINE 13b car running 11s.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 I have a bunch of bolt ons... single turbo and all sorts of things but no internal upgrades... so its stock engine? :)
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 YES.
Go to a junkyard and order a engine for ANY car. Then, proceed to bitch when they don't give you exhaust manifolds, the midpipe, catback, airfilter, MAF, and maybe even throttle body.
The engine itself, the longblock, the intake manifold, heads, cam, pistons, rods, crank, and block (not to mention another 100 other small parts) are stock.
Its like talking to a wall, only the wall is retarded and doesn't have any idea about the subject matter.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 LOL.... when I order engines I get complete engine to drop it in... what you are talking about is completely retarded as that is not a complete engine stupid...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@testy462 yea it does feel like im talking to a wall...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 Lets put this another way
The engine won't run without the computer. It also needs the fuel pump, lines, filter, injectors, and fuel rails. It won't run without all the wires to the various sensors, nor without the sensors. It can't run without the bolts to hold it in place, a starter to get it running, and it can't hover in midair by itself, so it needs the wheels, tires, and frame for that.
Are all these parts of the engine, because it relies on them to function? No.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 actually yes they are... you are just to stupid to realize it...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 So yes, if you have a bunch of boltons and a turbo, but a stock engine, then you have a car with a stock engine. The CAR is not stock, but the engine is stock.
I am more than sure you can find plenty of videos with exactly this going on, just search for "stock longblock single turbo supra" to find all the supra guys bragging on making 1000 WHP on the stock longblock.
Its accepted terminology, and any fool could figure out exactly what they mean in this video. Stop being dumb.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 ill believe it when you show me a that engine runs without a I/H/E
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 So basically your too stupid to comprehend simple English. Should have just stated that at the start and avoided 3 pages of this.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 all i am saying is that the Intake headers are part of the engine... you take those off you are modifying the enigne... is it so fucking hard to comprehend what I am saying?
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 I'm glad its your OPINION that the headers and MAF/filter/intake tube and throttle body are part of the engine. The entire rest of the world says they are not, and says that modifying them is NOT modifying the engine (or "longblock" if you prefer, or even if you don't) but I'm glad you think they are.
They aren't, its standard, worldwide accepted terminology for "engine"
Like I said, order a "engine" from a junkyard, then be angry when they lol at you for asking where the headers are
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 LOL.... atcually its only ppl like you and the ppl who post stupid shit like this... everyone knows that modifying those parts are modifying the engine...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@Tj1056 Just to keep this going, your saying that anything that the engine requires to run is part of the engine right? I mean, the headers and intake tract (not intake manifold) are part of the engine? So the air filter, intake pipe, throttle body, headers, midpipe, and catback are part of the engine because it won't run without them (your definition).
So what about the battery, ignition switch, ground wire? How about your finger? It won't start without you...
testy462 8 months ago
@Tj1056 I don't see how you don't understand this. The ENGINE is the longblock, that is to say intake manifold to oil pan. This is what you get if you order a "engine" from a yard or engine builder. This is also what webster defines as an engine in his dictionary (must be another stupid person, that webster lol)
The rest of the stuff is called "bolt ons". The exhaust is not part of the engine. The intake tract isn't either. Get with it.
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 You are dancing way aroung it so you can justify this video. I love fox body mustangs and I have one of my own and I would still never put stock anywhere in this video unless it was in front the words "long block". Even then, the engine may have ported heads that the owner is unaware of. You sure can't tell from the outside. It may also have a production camshaft from a Cobra etc giving it more power with a stock-sounding idle. All I know for sure is that this CAR has a dozen mods.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@testy462 If you read the article, they call it stock and then go on to list handfuls of mods throughout the article. It is misleading and not really fair if you ask me. I've argued this point over and over and it just comes down to each person's opinion of "stock" and "motor". I would call the fuel system, intake system, ignition system, and exhaust system part of the "motor" because every "motor" has these things and needs them to run (except for the exhaust system, but who runs open HEADS?)
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@testy462 There are too many variables in the equation. The long block may or may not be stock. Factories did some wierd things back in the day, like putting the LS6 or whatever in fourth gen F body cars when they ran out of LS1s. They could easily have put a '93 Coba motor in this coupe for who knows what reason. Hopefully the owner and/or 5.0 Mustang mag could see the 3 bars on the heads and tell but you never know. The car made 225 wheel stock, almost unheard of for an E7 motor.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude Its simply not within your understanding to figure out it has a stock engine is it? The ENGINE is stock. The point of this video, and the documented magazine article, is to show what you can/could do with a stock engine foxbody with simple boltons like exhuast/intake, and some suspension work.
Thats the point, and your missing it. Lots of people can and have done this same thing. The 1/4 mile is ALL about launch, and if you get it down into the 1.6 zone 12s are easy.
testy462 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude If you watch the vid, you see he is only trapping 103 MPH.. not really that surprising/out of line for a stock notchback 5 speed coupe fox. Most of the time you see them (bone stock or nearly so) going low low 14s at 101/102 MPH. Throw on some suspension mods, the lightweight rims (with skinnys) shown here, the exhaust and intake boltons, and the either slick or really sticky drag radial shown here, whats so hard to believe?
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 LOL 101/102 bone stone? Don't think so bud. Maybe if you live in new england. Out here in Phoenix 98 is about the fastest i've seen a stock/lightly modded fox go.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude You need to go someplace with good air and a sticky track. Bone stock lx notch 5spd cars have been known to go high 13s with a great driver.
Its just all in the launch, look at the trap speed... 103 MPH. Thats the point, its barely trapping higher than a stock 5 liter, at most a few MPH. Its all in the launch, this is what suspension and stick tires can do for a car even if its not making much horsepower over stock. The car is going 1.6 60' times.
testy462 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude And that's the point everyone is missing. The entire point of the article in a very well known and documented magazine was to show how even at near stock power levels he was running a great time for so little done. If it had motor work the magazine would not even bothered to do an article on a high 12 second car.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 Dude 98 mph is a good trap for a stock 5.0 Mustang anywhere in the country, and in my experience 5 mph equals about 50 hp. So this guy is up 50 hp from stock. That's pretty significant.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude Going from 98 MPH to 105 doesn't take 50 horsepower.
You can't even make a statement like that. It takes ALOT less power to go from say 98 to 105 than it would from 105 to 112MPH. It gets progressivly harder and harder (more power) to increase MPH.
Its all on the magazine, 5.0 and super fords is one of the biggest mustang mag's out there. On top of that, there's the engine pic with the stock intake, and you can clearly hear there isn't a cam.
The longblock is STOCK.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 Picking up 7 mph doesn't take 50 hp? Are you kidding? So what you think you can add a set of pulleys, delete the smog pump and power steering pump and pick up 7 mph? I have dyno numbers before and after installing GT40P heads with TFS springs on my car and I gained exactly 43 hp (from D8 heads) and 5 - 6 mph in a 2850 lb car. That's called experience, you are bench racing and i'm done with it. 5.0 mag isn't going to have a review of a slow mustang, that would hurt profit.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude Obviously your "experence" is like half the fools out there... they add power without adding suspension.
This guy added basic boltons and then worked the hell out of the suspension. The result is great 60' times and a slight improvement in MPH.
There is no standard horsepower per MPH that can have any real world application. Not only would it be different for every setup, but as stated going from 98 or 100 to 103 isn't nearly as hard as 120 to 125.
testy462 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude I simply find it amazing nobody can believe the results of this video. its documented in a very very well known and respected mustang/ford mag, and his MPH is slow. I went 101/102 MPH in a much heavier car (00 GT 2v) and only 230~ WHP (CAI and mufflers). This guy is easily putting down that to the tire in a much lighter car with a much much harder launch.
testy462 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude And if you have all this "real world experence" you should realise what a 1.67 60' will do for a otherwise basically stock power output car.
Not to mention he's running a set of skinnys and weld draglights (an easy 1-3 MPH there no problem). Anyone with any real knowledge of a fox based car can see how easy it would be to hit 12s with this setup. This same car is going to be getting whipped by low 13s second cars on the street, but on the track launch is king.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 I believe that this run happened alright, my argument is simply that putting the word stock in the title is misleading, and that the results are misleading. They are in perfect conditions, not Arizona in the summer or Colorado or Iowa etc. I'd probly run 12.50 on all-season tires in NJ but I don't call my car a 12.50 car. And 103 mph isn't slow for a 5.0L, so quit with that. The 2011 5.0s are barely breaking that here, and fourth gen GTs can hardly hit 97 mph in the winter here.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude If your seeing 103 MPH traps in the 2011 5.0s either someone can't drive or the air is REALLY bad.
The ENGINE (the vid says motor but whatever) is stock. it has a stock longblock. That was the entire point of the article and video, and your missing it. this shows what you can do with suspension work and a sticky tire. The 1/4 is ALL about launch, this guy is getting it done because of a mean 60' and some sharp driving in good air.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 I've seen 107 mph from the new 5.0 with exhaust and intake etc. You call the engine stock. I disagree based on my understanding of the word "engine" which is a collage of parts that allow fuel and air to be burned to turn force into reciprocating motion. In order for that to happen a fuel system, air induction system and ignition system are required, and an exhaust system increases the scavenging affect thereby helping the process. Thus these parts are part of the engine.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude Your argueing semantics when the reality is everyone knows exactly what is meant in this video. Its in the dammed link for pete's sake, exactly what is done to the car.
Just stop. As stated before, a air filter or midpipe is not part of the "engine", its part of the car. You could argue it won't run without the bolts holding down the engine to the frame either, or the transmission, or the rearend (won't move) but its not part of the engine.
testy462 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude And you can think whatever you like, the rest of the world knows exactly what "boltons" are and what the difference is between a 10 minute job to swap in a CAI intake and breaking open the engine for a cam or head change.
Basically, you don't want to admit that your wrong, so your making up a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with the arguement. The engine, the longblock, the rotating assembly, heads, cam, and intake, are stock. Get over it.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 Too bad my opinion heavily outweighs yours as I have a degree in Automotive Technology and have been through many engines and transmissions. I stated my opinion and you can't handle it obviously.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude ROFL, hows that 12 dollar an hour job treating you, changing oil at the local mopar dealer?
Rofl, your opinion is one thing, and then what everyone else on the planet involved in both automotive and performance automotive is another.
I would love to hear you have a conversation with a junkyard. "I ordered a motor from you, where is the air filter, exhaust, and bolts to put it in " the pure silence you hear on the other end of the phone is them marveling at your stupidity.
testy462 5 months ago
@testy462 I don't currently work there, but I was a full time tech at Sanderson Lincoln Mercury Volvo dealer here in Phx. It is one of the best service centers in the state. You can say rofl 40 times, but it won't change the fact that I am heavily involved in the automotive performance world and have been for years. If I bought an engine from a yard I certainly would not buy a short block with exposed pistons... I would want a complete engine intake to manifolds.
gtdrummerdude 5 months ago
@gtdrummerdude In the 1/4 mile, trap speed (and not ET) is how you measure horsepower, and the 103 MPH trap clearly shows this car isn't making much.
What your seeing is the beauty of the foxbody... a lightweight RWD platform. Get something weighing around 3000 LB to 60' in the 1.5 or 1.6 range and you DONT need a ton of horsepower to break into the 12s.
testy462 5 months ago
@Tj1056 BTW, I had to LOL at the thought of you trying to get an exhaust leak fixed. You go to your mechanic and tell him "My ENGINE has a hole in it, its really loud".
He calls back, says "no hole in the engine, wtf are you talking about".
"my engine dammit, the hole"!
"I don't see it, come over and point it out"!
(You point at muffler) "see right there, the ENGINE"
Mechanic: "........ looks like you need a complete engine rebuild. Thats $10,000"
testy462 8 months ago
@testy462 good story dude hope you didn't pay that $10,000 for a rebuild because thats way overpriced...
Tj1056 8 months ago
@camirocz lol no you are wrong.
Rustin2000 8 months ago
@Rustin2000 no i m not!
camirocz 8 months ago
i think iv seen this track on tv befor. maybe on viva la bam (bam margera)
SMpaintball78 1 year ago
@scopez4u i actually found one near chicago at 4000
79k miles and a rebuilt 302
pimp1021 1 year ago
Yeah, stock 205/15s. It was a very basic 87 coupe, no power accesories. It weighed 3020 with a half a tank of gas. I've had a quite a few stangs, but that was the quickest stock. They all run from 13.2-14.1 stock, the mph is always from 97.5-102. The 87-88s are the fastest, I even had a stock 88 gt convertible that ran 13.76@100.3 with every power option possible.
AMRennsports 1 year ago
NICE!!!!!!!! he was driving that car gesh!
bigmike1100 1 year ago
damn good shifting!
reaper519 1 year ago
@reaper519 hell yeah, im taking notes!@
bigmike1100 1 year ago
I had a gutted 86 that weighed 2480, no heater,wipers, backseat,doorpanels,console... 3'' hood, fiberglass hatch and draglites
joe347stroker 1 year ago
he said stock motor. search 5.0 magazine, they ran a 12.95 with a 89 lx hatch. stock motor. had drag radials and some suspension work done. not much else.
zinotakesnotes 1 year ago
What tires are you running on that thing it hooks up nice!!
bigrigs 2 years ago
Thay is nutty,,,,u must be using spray on a stock fox. There is no way, unless they accidently put a 427 in it at the ford plant :p
vagasduke 2 years ago
These are fairly common numbers for a stock coupe with just exhaust, gears, and pulleys with a 15min tune. I had an 87 that ran really low 13s bone stock, on street tires, paper filter and all, just a 15min tune-up.
AMRennsports 2 years ago
@AMRennsports ????????low 13s with a 225h.p 1987?i dont believe it.Stock tires?
camirocz 1 year ago
@AMRennsports I m sorry i dont believe low 13s all stock.These cars have 225 h.p and as a rule they run low to mid 14s in all stock form.Bumping up the timing wont shave 8 or 9 tenths!
camirocz 1 year ago
He didn't say stock fox. He said stock motor.
HokieD1993 2 years ago
daaam, i need drags
TravisCadello 2 years ago
does this have a track tune? what is the timing set at and how high of octane is it running?
TJZ89notch 2 years ago
No, it just had the factory tune. Timing and fuel pressure were around 15° / 36psi.
EricRihlmann 2 years ago
I just posted a video response of a Factory Bone Stock 5.0 Coupe running a 14.1
not bad at all... The only other car from that era that could do that was the Grand National... No Camaro, Z28, IROC-Z or Firebird, Formula or Trans Am could run that. The best a 1LE optioned IROC-Z Camaro ever did was a 14.4
NedacFilms 2 years ago
thats bitchin!! 4 gears of rubber, awesome fox!!
stewstang 2 years ago
slicks, gears, lca, subframes, and shifting the hell out of it can put any stock 5.0 near that.
tpimachine 2 years ago
It might be possible for a stock engined 5.0 to run a 12.9. It launched pretty hard! so I think a lot of money went into the suspension, it's geared too, probably took a lot of weight off too. I dunno though, just guessin'
RustyShacklefordd 2 years ago
@RustyShacklefordd you hit the nail right on the head with the weight comment.... Its all about weight, and a 5.0 Mustang LX Coupe (Notchback) was only 3,000 lbs from the factory. So it wouldn't be hard getting the fat trimmed down around 2,800 lbs or lower.
NedacFilms 2 years ago
@NedacFilms Ya i get mine down to low 2800, without me in it, seats out.
grouchysmad 2 years ago
I Live only 20 minuts from Atco. let me know what you have done to the car to go that fast. i have a friend who says that stock motored Stangs don't run that fast. Please reply. Maybe i'll see you there.
seacrmo 2 years ago
i have a 5.0 1986 mustang 4 eyed fox convertible what would i do on 1/4?
2605830 2 years ago
if its stock and you get a good pass out of it and its a stick shift you might pull of a 14.8-15.2
FoxBody77 2 years ago
seriously, with less than 230 whp the foxes run low 13's. what other muscle car achieve that? the best!
recklesswit2891 2 years ago
@recklesswit2891 actually no stock 5.0 Mustang ever ran a 13 second quarter mile. The best any could do was the 5.0 LX Coupe (Notchback) which could run a low 14, and the heavier LX hatch and GT was lucky to run a mid 14. Watch my videos (1986-87 MuscleCar Challenge) for some factory bone stock heads-up drag racing...
NedacFilms 2 years ago
Damn that was a tight run.
CrazyTacky 2 years ago
FOX COUPES RULE!!!!
BLACKLACDTS 2 years ago
What are the suspension and motor bolt-ons? Also, what gears are in the rear?
Thanks,
BigC
bigchelis 2 years ago
Badass car man!
bullittben50 2 years ago
god damn that guy can drive.
dmjune 3 years ago
AWESOME!!!
josh1303 3 years ago
wtf how did u do that??
representer12 3 years ago