If your god cares so much about this then why would anything like what you proposed be necessary. Let your god deal with it in the afterlife if you're so sure he exists.
That is not at all how abortions work, you are turning a simple procedure into something of a horror movie, it is not chopping the baby up with a pair of scissors as you show in your picture, it is simply causing a small clump of cells to wash out of the body, this is generally the stage an abortion is done at. And let's not forget, that the god you believe in is the ultimate pro abortion activist. The best way to not need an abortion is to use birth control. Tell religion to back the fuck off.
@HonestTechnoAtheist Um actually that image is from a diagram in a medical textbook teaching how to do abortions. So yes that is how abortions are done. Just google image search "abortion" with the safety off you'll see. I know it is like a horror movie but that's the reality of it.
The baby is only a clump of cells VERY early on. Before the 6th week or so -which is when the first abortions are done. So no abortions aren't done on clumps of cells.
@JohananRaatz I might have gotten that mixed up with the morning after pill, I personally don't think an abortion should be done at that stage, but if it is just a small clump of cells than that is no big deal.
The best way to prevent abortions is to use birth control, which is why religion needs to get out of the business of trying to prevent condom usage.
@HonestTechnoAtheist (cont.) "And let's not forget, that the god you believe in is the ultimate pro abortion activist."
I know what you are referring to, but in regards to how things play out with religious people they tend to be by and large pro-life. Thus logically if you want to increase pro-life numbers you would want a way to make people religious -even if you are an atheist yourself.
@JohananRaatz Religious people are pro life in that sense perhaps, but also pro death on account of the entire goal of religions being to die and go to heaven. Hence they are pro death. In fact with christianity it would make sense to have an abortion since it would be an absolute gaurantee of the baby going to heaven. And since they think god has a plan for everything and everyone it means that god has planned all abortions. Those christians are going against god's plan.
@HonestTechnoAtheist Yes, but religions also tell you not to expedite death. (with suicide bombing in some extreme versions of Islam being an exception)
"In fact with christianity it would make sense to have an abortion since."
Maybe, but you don't want to send the baby to heaven like that if it means you go to hell in the process.
"And since they think god has a plan for everything and everyone it means that god has planned all abortions"
Stop screwing with the salutory effect darn it! ;)
@HonestTechnoAtheist "The best way to not need an abortion is to use birth control."
Yes and no, remember statistically when people use BC they get cocky because they think they are safe and then you end up with more mistakes in spite of the BC. But perhaps sex ed (along with explaining BC) but also "values positive" education with that -ie. teaching them morality. Remember PP's funding doubled but so did the abortions they do in the last 10 years.
@JohananRaatz Along with birth control comes better education about how to use it. That would be like giving out weapons for people to defend themselves with but no safety tips about how to use them.
@HonestTechnoAtheist Right, but that education should also include values education. Otherwise it's like giving a loaded gun to a moral idiot. Program the education process so that at least some of the kids can have some measure of self-control and you can curb the problem of underage sex. (hey it's worked in the past)
But why? It's a politically useful tool in this regard don't you think? People don't get that killing kids is bad from reason so when reason doesn't work on them, you need to give them a good dose of religion and make them get it that way. The more rational people can understand it's bad anyway, but most people aren't rational today.
@JohananRaatz People are going to have sex, being animals. So the best way is to utilize birth control. Most people who have sex are doing it for pleasure rather then for having kids. This is why condoms and other types of birth control are needed. And what if the baby is going to have parents who don't want the baby?
That doesn't mean they can't be well-managed though. Remember cows are animals too but we can manage and regulate their behavior also. This is why I like platonism is political philosophy as well as metaphysics BTW.
"Most people who have sex are doing it for pleasure rather then for having kids."
Yes, but they can be rational about it. (BC is ok -just be parentally responsible if you get a kid by accident)
Well I hate to be cynical (actually secretly I find it enjoyable) but I'm afraid their animal like behavior indicates otherwise. (hence the need for rule by philosopher kings -political platonism)
"birth control, since most people don't engage"
Well either/or but what I'm saying is that people should also be able to excersize some degree of moderation -not full abstinence perse but self-control. (unless they want to be categorized as 'cows')
People are not cows in that they aren't mindless beasts who walk around all day and do nothing (some of them do lol) They have higher brains and should be able to control what they do, although a lot of them don't seem able to do so, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be treated like cows.
BIrth control over abortion is better, but that still leads back to what I said earlier that religion needs to stop preaching abstinence over birth control and distribute condoms where they are needed.
@HonestTechnoAtheist Well they have brains sure. But I was referring to the animalistic "pig morality" impulse we see today. Something needs to be done to stop the "last man" situation predicted by Nietzsche.
"that religion needs to stop preaching abstinence over birth control and"
Ok yes, I see. I was thinking that perhaps both should be taught though.
"This is why condoms and other types of birth control are needed."
I know I'm just saying if you get a kid by accident anyway you should be parentally responsible for the kid. And if someone knows they can't be at least reasonably responsible in advance, then they should excersize at least a modicum of self-control.
"And what if the baby is going to have parents who don't want the baby?"
Well that's a problem, but that's why the behavior of the wild ani.. er parents needs to be regulated.
@JohananRaatz Obviously if you get the kid by accident then you must decide if you want to keep it or not. If you do keep it then you need to be a good parent, if you don't want the kid then make sure you find a good home for it.
I agree that people need to stop "messing around" so much, but people are animals and odds are they will not do things they shouldn't.
You know, It's very sad that the conservatives care so much about the fetus, but forget about it when it becomes a baby. Do you support the programs that help care for young, single mothers (WIC, food stamps, low-cost health care for children) or do you regard such women as sponging off of the government? What ideas for social programs do you have? Our country, flawed as it may be, is not based on religion.
Of course, you watch Fox News, so you're probably beyond hope.
@firefly0520 Don't worry I'm not as stingy on these things as some people are. But this is really peripheral to fetal rights. Once fetal rights are protected we can address lesser issues like these.
"What ideas for social programs do you have?"
Well I favor a basic safety net. Basically the same as we have now -maybe minus 10 years.
"Our country, flawed as it may be, is not based on religion."
Oh no, I'm just saying that religion is a politically useful tool to achieve desirable ends.
lol, yeah i don't see that happening because those corporations don't have enough power aka MONEY to get their will into law to ratify some constitutional rights, like the right to privacy and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment that WOMEN have to abort. the media is moot because people know what their rights to have an abortion are and the religion aspect is moot because the bible supports abortion, duh.
you were brainwashed to believe that "gynocentric bigotry and fetal ageism" crap. in reality, no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts against their will, civil and constitutional rights for that person's survival: THAT'S WHY YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO DONATE YOUR KIDNEY.
against that simple fact from the get-go UR argument will fail in public's consciousness because U R supporting/ promoting reproductive slavery.
to be honest, none of that crap will happen with any major success, if births per year is still around 4 million like it's been for the last decade. maybe you'll have a shot, if births are round 1 million per year because it would be national crisis, and people will loses their minds and listen to the government.
IDK
BTW, how else is the fetus going to get through the cervix, if you don't dismember it?
"The regular way. You know how when mothers give birth to babies. That way." LOL. ok, mr. smarty pants, in reality, a fetus is not a baby, it's still unwanted and doesn't have a right to live against her will and rights.
so try again, physicist.
"And if it doesn't eliminate abortions but only significantly reduces them that's still good." not to dirty buttholes like yourself, you want to control women's bodies...anyways, your little fantasy in this video will never happen, ever.
Quite the comprehensive solution. Now, if only people could read lime font on a green background...
SlipkPie 8 months ago
@SlipkPie Yes that was unfortunate. I should try to redo it. It looked fine in power point and then got screwed up in the movie maker.
JohananRaatz 8 months ago
If your god cares so much about this then why would anything like what you proposed be necessary. Let your god deal with it in the afterlife if you're so sure he exists.
VirginMarysAbortion 11 months ago
@VirginMarysAbortion Easy:
"God is not willing to do everything, and thus take away our free will and that share of glory which belongs to us." ~Nicolo Machiavelli
It wouldn't be nearly as much fun if I couldn't do it myself and impose my will on others! 3:D
JohananRaatz 11 months ago 3
That is not at all how abortions work, you are turning a simple procedure into something of a horror movie, it is not chopping the baby up with a pair of scissors as you show in your picture, it is simply causing a small clump of cells to wash out of the body, this is generally the stage an abortion is done at. And let's not forget, that the god you believe in is the ultimate pro abortion activist. The best way to not need an abortion is to use birth control. Tell religion to back the fuck off.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist Um actually that image is from a diagram in a medical textbook teaching how to do abortions. So yes that is how abortions are done. Just google image search "abortion" with the safety off you'll see. I know it is like a horror movie but that's the reality of it.
The baby is only a clump of cells VERY early on. Before the 6th week or so -which is when the first abortions are done. So no abortions aren't done on clumps of cells.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz I might have gotten that mixed up with the morning after pill, I personally don't think an abortion should be done at that stage, but if it is just a small clump of cells than that is no big deal.
The best way to prevent abortions is to use birth control, which is why religion needs to get out of the business of trying to prevent condom usage.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist (cont.) "And let's not forget, that the god you believe in is the ultimate pro abortion activist."
I know what you are referring to, but in regards to how things play out with religious people they tend to be by and large pro-life. Thus logically if you want to increase pro-life numbers you would want a way to make people religious -even if you are an atheist yourself.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz Religious people are pro life in that sense perhaps, but also pro death on account of the entire goal of religions being to die and go to heaven. Hence they are pro death. In fact with christianity it would make sense to have an abortion since it would be an absolute gaurantee of the baby going to heaven. And since they think god has a plan for everything and everyone it means that god has planned all abortions. Those christians are going against god's plan.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist Yes, but religions also tell you not to expedite death. (with suicide bombing in some extreme versions of Islam being an exception)
"In fact with christianity it would make sense to have an abortion since."
Maybe, but you don't want to send the baby to heaven like that if it means you go to hell in the process.
"And since they think god has a plan for everything and everyone it means that god has planned all abortions"
Stop screwing with the salutory effect darn it! ;)
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist "The best way to not need an abortion is to use birth control."
Yes and no, remember statistically when people use BC they get cocky because they think they are safe and then you end up with more mistakes in spite of the BC. But perhaps sex ed (along with explaining BC) but also "values positive" education with that -ie. teaching them morality. Remember PP's funding doubled but so did the abortions they do in the last 10 years.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz Along with birth control comes better education about how to use it. That would be like giving out weapons for people to defend themselves with but no safety tips about how to use them.
What is PP?
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist Right, but that education should also include values education. Otherwise it's like giving a loaded gun to a moral idiot. Program the education process so that at least some of the kids can have some measure of self-control and you can curb the problem of underage sex. (hey it's worked in the past)
PP is Planned Parenthood.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist "Tell religion to back the fuck off."
But why? It's a politically useful tool in this regard don't you think? People don't get that killing kids is bad from reason so when reason doesn't work on them, you need to give them a good dose of religion and make them get it that way. The more rational people can understand it's bad anyway, but most people aren't rational today.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz People are going to have sex, being animals. So the best way is to utilize birth control. Most people who have sex are doing it for pleasure rather then for having kids. This is why condoms and other types of birth control are needed. And what if the baby is going to have parents who don't want the baby?
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist "People are going to have sex, being animals."
That doesn't mean they can't be well-managed though. Remember cows are animals too but we can manage and regulate their behavior also. This is why I like platonism is political philosophy as well as metaphysics BTW.
"Most people who have sex are doing it for pleasure rather then for having kids."
Yes, but they can be rational about it. (BC is ok -just be parentally responsible if you get a kid by accident)
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz People are not cows lol.
"yes but they can be rational about it"
Yes and that would include birth control, since most people don't engage in abstincence.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist "People are not cows lol."
Well I hate to be cynical (actually secretly I find it enjoyable) but I'm afraid their animal like behavior indicates otherwise. (hence the need for rule by philosopher kings -political platonism)
"birth control, since most people don't engage"
Well either/or but what I'm saying is that people should also be able to excersize some degree of moderation -not full abstinence perse but self-control. (unless they want to be categorized as 'cows')
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
People are not cows in that they aren't mindless beasts who walk around all day and do nothing (some of them do lol) They have higher brains and should be able to control what they do, although a lot of them don't seem able to do so, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be treated like cows.
BIrth control over abortion is better, but that still leads back to what I said earlier that religion needs to stop preaching abstinence over birth control and distribute condoms where they are needed.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist Well they have brains sure. But I was referring to the animalistic "pig morality" impulse we see today. Something needs to be done to stop the "last man" situation predicted by Nietzsche.
"that religion needs to stop preaching abstinence over birth control and"
Ok yes, I see. I was thinking that perhaps both should be taught though.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
"This is why condoms and other types of birth control are needed."
I know I'm just saying if you get a kid by accident anyway you should be parentally responsible for the kid. And if someone knows they can't be at least reasonably responsible in advance, then they should excersize at least a modicum of self-control.
"And what if the baby is going to have parents who don't want the baby?"
Well that's a problem, but that's why the behavior of the wild ani.. er parents needs to be regulated.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz Obviously if you get the kid by accident then you must decide if you want to keep it or not. If you do keep it then you need to be a good parent, if you don't want the kid then make sure you find a good home for it.
I agree that people need to stop "messing around" so much, but people are animals and odds are they will not do things they shouldn't.
HonestTechnoAtheist 11 months ago
@HonestTechnoAtheist "Obviously if you get the kid by accident then you must decide if you want to keep it or not."
Yes, but keep the kid or give the kid up for adoption. Using abortion as free-for-all birth control is horribly irresponsible.
"hey will not do things they shouldn't."
Hmm, maybe I you and I should have a discussion sometime on Plato's political philosophy. ;) I think you might like it then.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
You know, It's very sad that the conservatives care so much about the fetus, but forget about it when it becomes a baby. Do you support the programs that help care for young, single mothers (WIC, food stamps, low-cost health care for children) or do you regard such women as sponging off of the government? What ideas for social programs do you have? Our country, flawed as it may be, is not based on religion.
Of course, you watch Fox News, so you're probably beyond hope.
firefly0520 11 months ago
@firefly0520 Don't worry I'm not as stingy on these things as some people are. But this is really peripheral to fetal rights. Once fetal rights are protected we can address lesser issues like these.
"What ideas for social programs do you have?"
Well I favor a basic safety net. Basically the same as we have now -maybe minus 10 years.
"Our country, flawed as it may be, is not based on religion."
Oh no, I'm just saying that religion is a politically useful tool to achieve desirable ends.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
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firefly0520 11 months ago
I like it, though I do agree with Dhorpatan, it could be better with more vocal narration. Get a new mic! haha
loganbutler16 11 months ago
Idea you didn't mention: break up the education mafia. The illiberal boot on our throats is our biggest impediment.
Redstateadvocate 11 months ago
@Redstateadvocate That's a good one. Hopefully Walker and the other governors will help us out with that.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@Raatz
Why do you not narrate many of your videos?
Dhorpatan 11 months ago
@Dhorpatan Because the insuferable microphone won't stop popping! lol I need a new one I think.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz
lol, yeah i don't see that happening because those corporations don't have enough power aka MONEY to get their will into law to ratify some constitutional rights, like the right to privacy and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment that WOMEN have to abort. the media is moot because people know what their rights to have an abortion are and the religion aspect is moot because the bible supports abortion, duh.
ask your mom for money to buy a new mic. LOL.
FREEAMERICANOW69 11 months ago
@J
you were brainwashed to believe that "gynocentric bigotry and fetal ageism" crap. in reality, no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts against their will, civil and constitutional rights for that person's survival: THAT'S WHY YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO DONATE YOUR KIDNEY.
against that simple fact from the get-go UR argument will fail in public's consciousness because U R supporting/ promoting reproductive slavery.
FREEAMERICANOW69 11 months ago
@JohananRaatz
to be honest, none of that crap will happen with any major success, if births per year is still around 4 million like it's been for the last decade. maybe you'll have a shot, if births are round 1 million per year because it would be national crisis, and people will loses their minds and listen to the government.
IDK
BTW, how else is the fetus going to get through the cervix, if you don't dismember it?
FREEAMERICANOW69 11 months ago
@FREEAMERICANOW69 The regular way. You know how when mothers give birth to babies. That way.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
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@J
"The regular way. You know how when mothers give birth to babies. That way." LOL. ok, mr. smarty pants, in reality, a fetus is not a baby, it's still unwanted and doesn't have a right to live against her will and rights.
so try again, physicist.
"And if it doesn't eliminate abortions but only significantly reduces them that's still good." not to dirty buttholes like yourself, you want to control women's bodies...anyways, your little fantasy in this video will never happen, ever.
FREEAMERICANOW69 11 months ago
@FREEAMERICANOW69 And if it doesn't eliminate abortions but only significantly reduces them that's still good.
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
Song by Eisenfunk? Isn't that song by blur?
Dhorpatan 11 months ago
@Dhorpatan Yup both right. "Woohoo" and "Super Space Invaders"
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
Haha! Pro-aborts are going to get ubermensched! Love it!
IoPizzaPlanet 11 months ago 6