(part 2) Their usage in Europe dates all the way back to the Viking and Anglo-Saxon periods with weapons like the Scrimeseax. For centuries BOTH straight and curved weapons were used alongside each other.
@tantorecords Europeans used both straight and curved bladed weapons. There are many manuals written on the usage of the Messer and the Dussack. The Falchion was common in the Italian peninsula and surrounding areas. There were even long two-handed single edged curved weapons. Look up "Kriegsmesser". The techniques for these weapons are not "older" and they are designed to be used the way the manuals show us they are. Curved cutting blades are not some sort of later development.
Im confused... are they european martial artists of the 15th century or pirates? Show me an image of a 15th century european fighting in europe with a cutlass or any curved sword for that matter and ill shut up... guarantee you wont find one though so quit arma and go join the sca.
@tantorecords Hi again tanto. I think these WERE used in the late Renaissance and called dussacks. There are videos of noneARMA Renaissance groups of Germans using them. I have seen them in the old manuals here and there and they have a wikepedia article on them. Their article of the cutlass says it was developed from a 16th centery "coutelass" which they had when dussacks were used.
@mojothemigo In Europe? I understand that curved blades did eventually become popular in europe, but the techniques they were using were older and therefore don't fit with the blade.
@tantorecords Again, look up "dussack". I use Yahoo. Lots of different websites are all saying it was real, though it was a very geneneral stand in for messers or other chopping weapoms. Joachim Meyer's fechtbush of 1570 has details of it's use. It is probably a very regional thing to Germany, but very real. Again, I am not a swordsman but I am looking right at the evidence.
At 0:55 I see a Brazilian flag, so I would guess they train in Brazil. Does anyone know who they are, or at least where the vid was taken from so I can reach those guys?
@gre8 Unfortunately that part of the clip is from the Appleton Wisconsin study group in the U.S. They train at a local grappling club that teaches Brazilian Jujitsu, hence the flag. However if you look at the practice partners list on the ARMA's website it says that there is a provisional study group in Chile. ( thearma(DOT)org/Practice/partners(DOT)htm ) I don't know where you live in Brazil so I don't know if that's reasonably close or not.
@gre8 If you are interested in learning more the first thing I would suggest is reading the articles and watching videos on the main website as well as posting on the ARMA public forum: thearma(DOT)org/forum/index(DOT)php Even if there's nobody nearby don't let that stop you from applying for membership. The ARMA's curriculum and web resources are designed to help the new and/or solo member to get started all on their own. It's how many of us began learning; myself included.
@SwordAndBuckler I´ve been considering doing just that for quite a while now. I´ve read articles, seen clips and basically everything you said, except for the membership.
But I´d like to know if it really works, because fencing is at least a two man sport, and though some skill can be achieved alone.
I love ARMA. I love the fact that they promote and utterly shatter the notion that European Martial Arts are inferior to Eastern Martial Arts. Excellent stuff!
haha thats awsome I saw John in this video....I took the sword fighting class when I was a freshman and still remember everything to this day....including all the times I slayed John in the class and out in the field. Good video
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chrisccraig 2 weeks ago
(part 2) Their usage in Europe dates all the way back to the Viking and Anglo-Saxon periods with weapons like the Scrimeseax. For centuries BOTH straight and curved weapons were used alongside each other.
Zwerchhau 1 month ago
@tantorecords Europeans used both straight and curved bladed weapons. There are many manuals written on the usage of the Messer and the Dussack. The Falchion was common in the Italian peninsula and surrounding areas. There were even long two-handed single edged curved weapons. Look up "Kriegsmesser". The techniques for these weapons are not "older" and they are designed to be used the way the manuals show us they are. Curved cutting blades are not some sort of later development.
Zwerchhau 1 month ago
Im confused... are they european martial artists of the 15th century or pirates? Show me an image of a 15th century european fighting in europe with a cutlass or any curved sword for that matter and ill shut up... guarantee you wont find one though so quit arma and go join the sca.
tantorecords 3 months ago
@tantorecords Hi again tanto. I think these WERE used in the late Renaissance and called dussacks. There are videos of noneARMA Renaissance groups of Germans using them. I have seen them in the old manuals here and there and they have a wikepedia article on them. Their article of the cutlass says it was developed from a 16th centery "coutelass" which they had when dussacks were used.
mojothemigo 3 months ago
@mojothemigo In Europe? I understand that curved blades did eventually become popular in europe, but the techniques they were using were older and therefore don't fit with the blade.
tantorecords 3 months ago
@tantorecords Again, look up "dussack". I use Yahoo. Lots of different websites are all saying it was real, though it was a very geneneral stand in for messers or other chopping weapoms. Joachim Meyer's fechtbush of 1570 has details of it's use. It is probably a very regional thing to Germany, but very real. Again, I am not a swordsman but I am looking right at the evidence.
mojothemigo 3 months ago
Respect for history and heritage
sincerity of effort
integrity of scholarship
appreciation of martial spirit
cultivation of self-discipline
........ and really awkward taste in music
CrimsonEmpire 3 months ago
@jguzmanist actually, it's from A Perfect Circle's album EMOTIVE
toothANDclaw13 4 months ago
This REALLY reminds me of the Witcher....
AndyRaslan 5 months ago
I love the lady knitting at 3:08 as two men "fight to the death" in the ring.
ChristusVlCTOR 5 months ago 2
@ChristusVlCTOR knitting's gotta get done I guess
lockbreak12 5 months ago
Are there any equivilents of arma down here in the bay area??
xtcarnage15586 6 months ago
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Lukos0036 6 months ago
What's the song?
117ty 8 months ago
@117ty Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums by A Perfect Circle.
toothANDclaw13 7 months ago
I wish there was an ARMA study group in my area.
That'd be South Texas
Charlizard777 8 months ago
@Charlizard777 that sucks there are like 4 in TX but they are all in central TX. Houston is like the furthest one south i think
therealblueninja 8 months ago
@therealblueninja Yeah, Central and North Texas.
Charlizard777 8 months ago
0:24 is this fencer wearig ARMAs "keikogi"?
TurboRatownik 9 months ago
At 0:55 I see a Brazilian flag, so I would guess they train in Brazil. Does anyone know who they are, or at least where the vid was taken from so I can reach those guys?
gre8 1 year ago
@gre8 Unfortunately that part of the clip is from the Appleton Wisconsin study group in the U.S. They train at a local grappling club that teaches Brazilian Jujitsu, hence the flag. However if you look at the practice partners list on the ARMA's website it says that there is a provisional study group in Chile. ( thearma(DOT)org/Practice/partners(DOT)htm ) I don't know where you live in Brazil so I don't know if that's reasonably close or not.
SwordAndBuckler 11 months ago
@gre8 If you are interested in learning more the first thing I would suggest is reading the articles and watching videos on the main website as well as posting on the ARMA public forum: thearma(DOT)org/forum/index(DOT)php Even if there's nobody nearby don't let that stop you from applying for membership. The ARMA's curriculum and web resources are designed to help the new and/or solo member to get started all on their own. It's how many of us began learning; myself included.
SwordAndBuckler 11 months ago
@SwordAndBuckler I´ve been considering doing just that for quite a while now. I´ve read articles, seen clips and basically everything you said, except for the membership.
But I´d like to know if it really works, because fencing is at least a two man sport, and though some skill can be achieved alone.
How do I progress once I´ve learned the drills?
gre8 10 months ago
I want to learn this in Portugal but I don't know where...
ImmortalK 1 year ago
freaking sweeet!! wheree can i learn this in NYC?
GirlPilot89 1 year ago
I love ARMA. I love the fact that they promote and utterly shatter the notion that European Martial Arts are inferior to Eastern Martial Arts. Excellent stuff!
Gaddesreinhart 1 year ago 17
@Gaddesreinhart where is arma located?
xtcarnage15586 6 months ago
@Gaddesreinhart Sure is inferior complex here.
lamyunholic 3 months ago
haha thats awsome I saw John in this video....I took the sword fighting class when I was a freshman and still remember everything to this day....including all the times I slayed John in the class and out in the field. Good video
woowoo60 1 year ago
Excellent Video Audra. Great music with it to boot! -Rod
RabbitusMaximus 1 year ago