saalams this is one thing i have always thought about... if Qadr is true and we have been predestined, then is our free will restricted? It seems like a contradiction. But it's okay, I have faith that they are compatible. Hopefully these stupid filthy kaffir academics could just have faith once in a while instead of bickering their whole lives about this subject. Faith is the key not these pathetic evil continental philosophy discussions like the pathetic professors in university
Islam is the only religion accepted by God/Allah. Anybody who takes any other way than Islam, he/she will be among the losers in this world and in the hereafter
to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a friend whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know how to respond, can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a friend whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know hwo to repond can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a freidn whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know hwo to repond can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
@BeamSurfer Only to the same extent that reality creates my consciousness-the idea that it is one OR the other is basic-and wrong. IT IS BOTH. (CREATOR IS CREATION). We interpret the world just as we do a Rorschach test-it is the way the brain functions-and ISLAMS tyrannical desire to FORCE concepts into peoples heads and onto their world is EVIL-and simple-minded.
From my own experiences with MAGICK predestination is simply the base STATISTICAL under pinning of the universe-of course the HAND of chance can be forced-which is the reasoning behind the high MAGICKAL arts. As one progresses coincidence becomes almost overwhelming. It is about surrendering to ones TRUE WILL-when one does this one falls into place the movement of the universe-the results are truly unbelievable-when one acts against ones TRUE WILL one cripples oneself-becomes a slave to lies.
"And if WE had so willed, WE could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from ME concerning evil-doers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together"
YuuFlamel it doesn't go together no matter how you go about it, sorry friend.
@dannysees I noticed these odd things when I was reading the Quran myself, I always wondered why Allah would harden the hearts of people so that they would not believe. That is basically purposeful prevention on Gods part to me. Plus this constant need to be worshiped, why create us give us free will then throw us a pit of hell if we do not worship you? Then on top of that constantly write the in Quran that " WE" are the one who guides or misguides people. Ridiculousness.
Exactly, before modern times there were far less people who would actually study "holy books" and truly analyze them with a logical and critical mind to see how this doesn't make sense. They were not as educated as we are today and they were under fear of hell-fire created by a wrathful, petty god and being extricated from their town or city and losing family and friends - Christendom was like this and now many places are still like this for Muslims.
@CottageLife100 You wondered, and Islam answered =) Allah would harden their hearts because their hearts are hard already. Proofs are already in-front of their eyes but they ignore them and spin to another subject. Yes! He is the one who'd guide those who wants the truth and misguide those who doesn't want the truth. You thought about this verse the way you wanted because you want to prove Islam is wrong, it's where Islam will stand and say "Don't explain our verses according to your purposes".
Sorry brother, but that still doesn't fit together.
Quran says nobody believes without permission and guidance from Allah. It's not right to say Allah guides people who want the truth and misguides those who don't want the truth - that is something people make up to try to make sense of it.
Everybody wants the truth, if it was logical that the Quran was the truth and hell-fire was real then people would believe. Allah gave people logic and made them to be skeptical right? So why
People will tend to argue that Allah misguides people and therefore when the people are misguided they don't have free will and that it is actually Allah's fault for them being misguided and that Allah would be unjust for punishing them.
However, let's read the Quran in context so that we can better understand what this verse is saying. I won't be appealing to any commentaries because once someone reads the Quran in context he could easily understand what the verse is saying.
@dannysees Lol xD That is the problem... You should have asked. "Why would god say that?" And again =P if you have read the verses before it, you would know that god was talking to the unbeliever before throwing them in hell. Yes, he will fill hell with jinn and menkind, but whom from them? The Evil-Doers =) Who's choice was it to do Evil? theirs... That's why the adjective was referring to them, cause it's by their won will. Look how exact god words are... So wonderful to debate about ha? ;)
@dannysees Plus =P Yes, if he willed he could have given every soul it guidance, but that means that this life wouldn't be a test for human now would it?
And btw, the verse says exactly like this (Noble Quran Chapter:32 Verse:13) "And if We had willed, surely We would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Me took effect (about evil-doers), that I will fill Hell with jinn and mankind together" Whom from jinn and mankind? The evil-doers =) I'll be waiting for your next Q ^^
Look at Quran 10:99-100 , 32:13 , 39:23 , and realize how ridiculous this is.
In Tanakh and Quran you see GOD/Creator/Perfect Intelligence having the logic, wisdom, morality, and scientific knowledge of men in their time-frame...its hard to see when you are scared of hell or how friends/family/neighbors might treat you depending where you live.
Doesn't make a fitting puzzle, you have to use faith-tinted glasses to see the Quran/Hadith words making any sense or being moral in your heart
The whole theory is the same as a child who goes out to a yard and creates a tower of wood blocks which are intentionally unstable and have a very good chance of toppling over (the way allah created man). The tower of blocks topples over, being build specifically to be unsteady and with a good possibility to fall, the child curses/damns the blocks for falling and puts them in a fire.
Romanticizing and expanding on this does not change the basic ideology, its dementia!
" Allah already knew everything before He even created it..." " The devil created this thought"..." How is it fair that I go to hell or heaven if I did this and that if God already knew about it"..." Well the answer is you are not God".....ok thanks bearded man for comforting my thoughts of burning in eternity for living such a short time on earth...." Allah knew it already..." " But you can change your destiny:..." You sound confused.
@CottageLife100 =) Buddy, let me tell you something. God (Allah) Knows you very well, he created you, and he knows what you're going to do; BUT! He's not forcing you to do it. Think of it like this, you as a person know another person very well that sometimes, you know which decision he'll make in one situation. You didn't force him to do what he did, but you know. God knows you better, and he knows what you'll do. He didn't force you, thus you have your free will to choose =) Thanks.
Does that make sense when the Quran says nobody believes without allah's permission and that he does indeed harden hearts and lead some astray?
You have to try to twist words and look for a less obvious interpretation of things once the logical contradictions pop, scientific and historic errors, etc. its the way it works when following this stuff in the 21st century.
@dannysees It's true ^^ but you should have looked in this verse deeper (Noble Quran Chapter:10 Verse:100) "It is not for any person to believe, except by the Leave of Allah, and He will put the wrath on those who are heedless." If you have looked in the verse before this one, Allah is telling the Muslim not to force those who disbelieve to believe, and in this verse he's telling them that it's up to Allah. Actually, the Question that you should ask here is To Whom Allah gives his permission? ;)
@dannysees Allah gives his permission to everyone who, that's why Allah said that he loves his creation more than how a mother loves her newborn baby, but he would not give his permission to those who doesn't want to believe "Heedless" Allah mentioned in the end of the verse. That's why he said in the next verse (101) "Say: "Behold all that is in the heavens and the earth," but neither Ayat:->(Proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, etc..) nor warners benefit those who believe not."
@dannysees So those "Heedless" nothing of the things mentioned will benifit them and show them the right path because they didn't get Allah's permission "yet" =) Thanks for reading and your interest ^^
@YuuFlamel To me its simple, God created us knew what we were going to do from the start, but isn't technically " making " me do it, but yet knew I was anyway, then He says " here is choice and free will", but on the other hand already knows if I am going to choose good or bad. See the logic to this is that there is no real choice, since God already knew before creating me whether or not I was going to be good or bad. You get it? Why don't you people think for a second first then speak?
@CottageLife100 How can there be no free choice if "You" are choosing whether to search for the truth or just be a heedless and The God knows? From his names "The All Knowing" Not "The All Forcing" Asking me to think before speaking? Why don't you know the different first? God already know what >"You"< are going to choose. He knows, but didn't ask you to do it, because this life is nothing but an test. Trust me.. Islam is not like any other religion "Join us and you're going to paradise"... No..
@YuuFlamel Look at it this way it is very simple, Allah created all of us, prior to creating us KNEW who would live a certain way, and as a result KNEW whos heart He would have to harden right? The issue my naive friend here is NOT whether or not we have free will, BUT IT IS the fact that God had prior knowledge TO EVERYTHING. So regardless of how you want to word whatever you want to word, at the end of the day, GOD KNEW IT ALL THEREFOR CHOICE DOES NOT EXIST. YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
@CottageLife100 Yes, he knows whos heart will he harden, but he will not harden it unless they commit the thing that will cause Allah to harden their hearts. Of course, God is "The All Knowing" He knows that you would debate but will only listen to yourself and not try to think about the certain proof that are in-front of your eyes. So he'd harden your heart, why? Because you don't want to listen anyways and wouldn't listen, "Harden your heart" Means that he'll make it harder since it's already.
would he punish the people don't think this stuff makes sense, there is too much incongruity and it appears to be the ideas and morality of primitive Middle Eastern men rather than timeless, eternal ideas and morality.
Like I say it is like the child building a tower which intentionally unstable and likely to fall, then cursing and damning the tower for falling and throwing them in a fire-pit. It does not make sense unless it is a foolish, vindictive desert spirit rather than God.
@dannysees (Quran Chapter:29 Verse:69) "As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good." Allah is clearly telling us that we need to struggle hard in order to find the path to Him. Allah will only guide those who actually struggle to be guided. If Allah had already predetermined who would go to hell and heaven without giving us free will then it would be useless for Allah to tell us to strive to be good.
@dannysees So, do you still think that people are the ones who are making this up? Or is it clearly written and explained in the Quran?
Yes, Allah gave us logic and inelegance, and you're using is right now by Questioning, even though if you read the Quran and understood it cover to cover, you'd find answers to all your questions. The Quran (God words) Are more exact and accurate than you could ever imagine, and then when you read it yourself, you'll know that this book can't be written by men.
@dannysees There is no incongruity in the Quran. No one can ever say "No this verse means a different thing." It have came straight, without any doubt (Noble Quran Chapter:2 Verse:2) "This is the book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun->[the pious believers of Islamic monotheism who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kind of good deeds which He has ordained)]".
the funny thing also is that for all of these years the Jews never believed in this lack of fire/fire-pit called Hell, the Christian movement took this from pagans and then Muhammad ended up uses it also as he was trying to unite but slightly alter the traditions. He thought both Jews and Christians would jump on board with what he had come up with.
This lake of fire crap that God/allah forgot to mention to Jews for thousands of years before Christianity/Islam....miraculous.
Jesus Christ (the son of God) dying on the cross is predestination. If God didn't choose to love us first, choose to persue us first, then we would never persue God or never choose to love Him.
yeah but you see Allah Knows what you are going to do in this life but you don't! You still can make choices because for you the time is now but for Allah SWT the time is already known. Islam is about Asalama which means to Surrender, Submit, Obey with Sincerity and Peace! - To surrender to Allah SWT's will and what he has ordained for you and to live your life to the best of the knowledge of this world and the hereafter i.e. The Qur'an!:D Thanks for lisnin
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@CultStarr RELIGION is about keeping spiritual TRUTH AWAY from people-locked up with the IMAM and the PRIEST-they grown fat and self important by controlling what should be basic and free-instead they use it for their own poisonous ends-this by any definition is BLACK MAGICK!
@BeamSurfer ISLAM is not a FACT-it is collection of words in your head that you hold onto like a coward because you fear what you are truly capable of. ISLAM lies to you about sex, about your place in the world. You have bowed before a male authority figure, and this is why any OSAMA or dictator can manipulate you. Look at any CULT and see the methods of ISLAM-it is brain washing for simpletons. For those who dare not wash their own brains and take charge of their life and world. COWER on FOOL.
@BeamSurfer NEGATIVE? I am not the one bowing down to a LIE-while IMAMs and DICTATORS and OSAMA types get fat. Or do I advocate the marriage of young girls because of some clearly psychotic ideas that a nutter in cave dreamed up. (By any clear modern definition MOHAMMED was psychotic-you know this-right?). I want you to kick out your IMAMS and take back your life and world-bowing down to this crap has given you nothing but PAIN and it has crippled you!
He just described the illusion of free will, not free will itself. When Muslims say the deen doesn't contradict itself they are either misinformed or lying to you/themselves. This is one of the many crucial incongruities within Al Qur'an & Hadith, & here this Shaikh is trying to pacify, not answer, you.
This isn't an anti-Muslim comment, in fact I was a practicing Muslim for a year but I couldn't overlook these reoccurring problems that are in ALL Abrahamic faiths & maybe you shouldn't either.
You are right on the money, this nonsense called the Quran and all of the prophets sayings are full of contradiction - plagiarizing other people's teachings and stories just ruined his own message. Fools that don't question it or look at it with an open mind some how skip over that.
Free will and predestination are both in the Quran and don't make any sense - supposed allah is the one who leads people astray to disblief but yet will throw those unbelievers in hell-fire
@dannysees It is by far the biggest contradiction in any religion. On one hand you have an All Knowing God, who knew prior to creation even before He created the earth and the heavens and hell, where me and you were going to end up. If that is Hell then what the fuck was the point in the first place?
@dannysees =) Buddy, let me tell you something. God (Allah) Knows you very well, he created you, and he knows what you're going to do; BUT! He's not forcing you to do it. Think of it like this, you as a person know another person very well that sometimes, you know which decision he'll make in one situation. You didn't force him to do what he did, but you know. God knows you better, and he knows what you'll do. He didn't force you, thus you have your free will to choose =) Thanks.
saalams this is one thing i have always thought about... if Qadr is true and we have been predestined, then is our free will restricted? It seems like a contradiction. But it's okay, I have faith that they are compatible. Hopefully these stupid filthy kaffir academics could just have faith once in a while instead of bickering their whole lives about this subject. Faith is the key not these pathetic evil continental philosophy discussions like the pathetic professors in university
qwertypluss 5 months ago
Let me share something with you... If she doesn't believe in the Bible... she's not really a Christian LOOOOOOOOOOL
Osaphus 7 months ago
Islam is the only religion accepted by God/Allah. Anybody who takes any other way than Islam, he/she will be among the losers in this world and in the hereafter
syazwankhan 7 months ago
@syazwankhan THATS YOUR MAN MADE GOD ""JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY THERE IS SALVATION IN NO OTHER"
patriotsfan1379 3 weeks ago
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I recommend all those who want to learn about predestination and free will to YouTube this:
Predestination vs. Free Will - Sayed Ammar Nakshawani it's a very nice lecture which you will got regret watching!!!!!!!
iSeekThe1Truth 9 months ago
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we are Predestined,
justryingz 9 months ago
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to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a friend whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know how to respond, can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
neptha2 10 months ago
to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a friend whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know hwo to repond can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
neptha2 10 months ago
to be fair to him he did not answer the question at all for me. Can some plzz help me with this concept, iv got a freidn whos atheist and hes given me a very good argument. but i didnt not know hwo to repond can some 1 plz explain the 'free will' concept to me plz.
neptha2 10 months ago
Did he just b.. b.. burn himself by himself XD
ahmology 1 year ago
ISLAM-the point where a myth becomes lie and humanity becomes crippled-I CURSE ALLAH and HIS SLAVERY-there is NO GOD BUT MAN!
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes you believe your conciousness creates your own reality.
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
@BeamSurfer Only to the same extent that reality creates my consciousness-the idea that it is one OR the other is basic-and wrong. IT IS BOTH. (CREATOR IS CREATION). We interpret the world just as we do a Rorschach test-it is the way the brain functions-and ISLAMS tyrannical desire to FORCE concepts into peoples heads and onto their world is EVIL-and simple-minded.
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes ansolutely right my friend death to this dirty fuckin cult of shitlam
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
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Predestination is mind-twisting theology. God is just an imaginary character.
FUCKyourGODmyth 1 year ago
From my own experiences with MAGICK predestination is simply the base STATISTICAL under pinning of the universe-of course the HAND of chance can be forced-which is the reasoning behind the high MAGICKAL arts. As one progresses coincidence becomes almost overwhelming. It is about surrendering to ones TRUE WILL-when one does this one falls into place the movement of the universe-the results are truly unbelievable-when one acts against ones TRUE WILL one cripples oneself-becomes a slave to lies.
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
"And if WE had so willed, WE could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from ME concerning evil-doers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together"
YuuFlamel it doesn't go together no matter how you go about it, sorry friend.
dannysees 1 year ago
@dannysees I noticed these odd things when I was reading the Quran myself, I always wondered why Allah would harden the hearts of people so that they would not believe. That is basically purposeful prevention on Gods part to me. Plus this constant need to be worshiped, why create us give us free will then throw us a pit of hell if we do not worship you? Then on top of that constantly write the in Quran that " WE" are the one who guides or misguides people. Ridiculousness.
CottageLife100 1 year ago
@CottageLife100
Exactly, before modern times there were far less people who would actually study "holy books" and truly analyze them with a logical and critical mind to see how this doesn't make sense. They were not as educated as we are today and they were under fear of hell-fire created by a wrathful, petty god and being extricated from their town or city and losing family and friends - Christendom was like this and now many places are still like this for Muslims.
incongruity to the max
dannysees 1 year ago
@CottageLife100 You wondered, and Islam answered =) Allah would harden their hearts because their hearts are hard already. Proofs are already in-front of their eyes but they ignore them and spin to another subject. Yes! He is the one who'd guide those who wants the truth and misguide those who doesn't want the truth. You thought about this verse the way you wanted because you want to prove Islam is wrong, it's where Islam will stand and say "Don't explain our verses according to your purposes".
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel
Sorry brother, but that still doesn't fit together.
Quran says nobody believes without permission and guidance from Allah. It's not right to say Allah guides people who want the truth and misguides those who don't want the truth - that is something people make up to try to make sense of it.
Everybody wants the truth, if it was logical that the Quran was the truth and hell-fire was real then people would believe. Allah gave people logic and made them to be skeptical right? So why
dannysees 1 year ago
@dannysees
People will tend to argue that Allah misguides people and therefore when the people are misguided they don't have free will and that it is actually Allah's fault for them being misguided and that Allah would be unjust for punishing them.
However, let's read the Quran in context so that we can better understand what this verse is saying. I won't be appealing to any commentaries because once someone reads the Quran in context he could easily understand what the verse is saying.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees Lol xD That is the problem... You should have asked. "Why would god say that?" And again =P if you have read the verses before it, you would know that god was talking to the unbeliever before throwing them in hell. Yes, he will fill hell with jinn and menkind, but whom from them? The Evil-Doers =) Who's choice was it to do Evil? theirs... That's why the adjective was referring to them, cause it's by their won will. Look how exact god words are... So wonderful to debate about ha? ;)
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees Plus =P Yes, if he willed he could have given every soul it guidance, but that means that this life wouldn't be a test for human now would it?
And btw, the verse says exactly like this (Noble Quran Chapter:32 Verse:13) "And if We had willed, surely We would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Me took effect (about evil-doers), that I will fill Hell with jinn and mankind together" Whom from jinn and mankind? The evil-doers =) I'll be waiting for your next Q ^^
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
Look at Quran 10:99-100 , 32:13 , 39:23 , and realize how ridiculous this is.
In Tanakh and Quran you see GOD/Creator/Perfect Intelligence having the logic, wisdom, morality, and scientific knowledge of men in their time-frame...its hard to see when you are scared of hell or how friends/family/neighbors might treat you depending where you live.
Doesn't make a fitting puzzle, you have to use faith-tinted glasses to see the Quran/Hadith words making any sense or being moral in your heart
dannysees 1 year ago
The whole theory is the same as a child who goes out to a yard and creates a tower of wood blocks which are intentionally unstable and have a very good chance of toppling over (the way allah created man). The tower of blocks topples over, being build specifically to be unsteady and with a good possibility to fall, the child curses/damns the blocks for falling and puts them in a fire.
Romanticizing and expanding on this does not change the basic ideology, its dementia!
dannysees 1 year ago
" Allah already knew everything before He even created it..." " The devil created this thought"..." How is it fair that I go to hell or heaven if I did this and that if God already knew about it"..." Well the answer is you are not God".....ok thanks bearded man for comforting my thoughts of burning in eternity for living such a short time on earth...." Allah knew it already..." " But you can change your destiny:..." You sound confused.
CottageLife100 1 year ago
@CottageLife100 =) Buddy, let me tell you something. God (Allah) Knows you very well, he created you, and he knows what you're going to do; BUT! He's not forcing you to do it. Think of it like this, you as a person know another person very well that sometimes, you know which decision he'll make in one situation. You didn't force him to do what he did, but you know. God knows you better, and he knows what you'll do. He didn't force you, thus you have your free will to choose =) Thanks.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel
Does that make sense when the Quran says nobody believes without allah's permission and that he does indeed harden hearts and lead some astray?
You have to try to twist words and look for a less obvious interpretation of things once the logical contradictions pop, scientific and historic errors, etc. its the way it works when following this stuff in the 21st century.
dannysees 1 year ago
@dannysees It's true ^^ but you should have looked in this verse deeper (Noble Quran Chapter:10 Verse:100) "It is not for any person to believe, except by the Leave of Allah, and He will put the wrath on those who are heedless." If you have looked in the verse before this one, Allah is telling the Muslim not to force those who disbelieve to believe, and in this verse he's telling them that it's up to Allah. Actually, the Question that you should ask here is To Whom Allah gives his permission? ;)
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees Allah gives his permission to everyone who, that's why Allah said that he loves his creation more than how a mother loves her newborn baby, but he would not give his permission to those who doesn't want to believe "Heedless" Allah mentioned in the end of the verse. That's why he said in the next verse (101) "Say: "Behold all that is in the heavens and the earth," but neither Ayat:->(Proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, etc..) nor warners benefit those who believe not."
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees So those "Heedless" nothing of the things mentioned will benifit them and show them the right path because they didn't get Allah's permission "yet" =) Thanks for reading and your interest ^^
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel To me its simple, God created us knew what we were going to do from the start, but isn't technically " making " me do it, but yet knew I was anyway, then He says " here is choice and free will", but on the other hand already knows if I am going to choose good or bad. See the logic to this is that there is no real choice, since God already knew before creating me whether or not I was going to be good or bad. You get it? Why don't you people think for a second first then speak?
CottageLife100 1 year ago
@CottageLife100 How can there be no free choice if "You" are choosing whether to search for the truth or just be a heedless and The God knows? From his names "The All Knowing" Not "The All Forcing" Asking me to think before speaking? Why don't you know the different first? God already know what >"You"< are going to choose. He knows, but didn't ask you to do it, because this life is nothing but an test. Trust me.. Islam is not like any other religion "Join us and you're going to paradise"... No..
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
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YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel Look at it this way it is very simple, Allah created all of us, prior to creating us KNEW who would live a certain way, and as a result KNEW whos heart He would have to harden right? The issue my naive friend here is NOT whether or not we have free will, BUT IT IS the fact that God had prior knowledge TO EVERYTHING. So regardless of how you want to word whatever you want to word, at the end of the day, GOD KNEW IT ALL THEREFOR CHOICE DOES NOT EXIST. YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
CottageLife100 1 year ago
@CottageLife100 Yes, he knows whos heart will he harden, but he will not harden it unless they commit the thing that will cause Allah to harden their hearts. Of course, God is "The All Knowing" He knows that you would debate but will only listen to yourself and not try to think about the certain proof that are in-front of your eyes. So he'd harden your heart, why? Because you don't want to listen anyways and wouldn't listen, "Harden your heart" Means that he'll make it harder since it's already.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel
would he punish the people don't think this stuff makes sense, there is too much incongruity and it appears to be the ideas and morality of primitive Middle Eastern men rather than timeless, eternal ideas and morality.
Like I say it is like the child building a tower which intentionally unstable and likely to fall, then cursing and damning the tower for falling and throwing them in a fire-pit. It does not make sense unless it is a foolish, vindictive desert spirit rather than God.
dannysees 1 year ago
@dannysees (Quran Chapter:29 Verse:69) "As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good." Allah is clearly telling us that we need to struggle hard in order to find the path to Him. Allah will only guide those who actually struggle to be guided. If Allah had already predetermined who would go to hell and heaven without giving us free will then it would be useless for Allah to tell us to strive to be good.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees
So here, it is clear that Allah guides those who strive and put an effort and who want to be guided.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel Yeah, he guided Pakistan right into the floods right? And Afghan into the loving arms of those boy buggering acid throwing TALIBAN yes?
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@dannysees So, do you still think that people are the ones who are making this up? Or is it clearly written and explained in the Quran?
Yes, Allah gave us logic and inelegance, and you're using is right now by Questioning, even though if you read the Quran and understood it cover to cover, you'd find answers to all your questions. The Quran (God words) Are more exact and accurate than you could ever imagine, and then when you read it yourself, you'll know that this book can't be written by men.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@dannysees There is no incongruity in the Quran. No one can ever say "No this verse means a different thing." It have came straight, without any doubt (Noble Quran Chapter:2 Verse:2) "This is the book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun->[the pious believers of Islamic monotheism who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kind of good deeds which He has ordained)]".
YuuFlamel 1 year ago
@YuuFlamel NO-of course there is no disagreement-which is why MUSLIMS are NOT killing each other in such vast numbers. (That is sarcasm by the way.).
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@CottageLife100
the funny thing also is that for all of these years the Jews never believed in this lack of fire/fire-pit called Hell, the Christian movement took this from pagans and then Muhammad ended up uses it also as he was trying to unite but slightly alter the traditions. He thought both Jews and Christians would jump on board with what he had come up with.
This lake of fire crap that God/allah forgot to mention to Jews for thousands of years before Christianity/Islam....miraculous.
dannysees 1 year ago
Jesus Christ (the son of God) dying on the cross is predestination. If God didn't choose to love us first, choose to persue us first, then we would never persue God or never choose to love Him.
kenneth13fox12 2 years ago
yeah but you see Allah Knows what you are going to do in this life but you don't! You still can make choices because for you the time is now but for Allah SWT the time is already known. Islam is about Asalama which means to Surrender, Submit, Obey with Sincerity and Peace! - To surrender to Allah SWT's will and what he has ordained for you and to live your life to the best of the knowledge of this world and the hereafter i.e. The Qur'an!:D Thanks for lisnin
TheeRealAJ 2 years ago
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Living4aReason 3 years ago
Pls read my reply to "byrjun0agaetis"
n thnx fr ur comment.
Living4aReason 3 years ago
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CultStarr 3 years ago
Pls read my reply to "byrjun0agaetis"
i appreciate ur interest.
Living4aReason 3 years ago
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Living4aReason 3 years ago
@CultStarr RELIGION is about keeping spiritual TRUTH AWAY from people-locked up with the IMAM and the PRIEST-they grown fat and self important by controlling what should be basic and free-instead they use it for their own poisonous ends-this by any definition is BLACK MAGICK!
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes Islam is not a religion, its a Fact :), it applies to everybody like Law of Gravity or people going to sleep
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
@BeamSurfer ISLAM is not a FACT-it is collection of words in your head that you hold onto like a coward because you fear what you are truly capable of. ISLAM lies to you about sex, about your place in the world. You have bowed before a male authority figure, and this is why any OSAMA or dictator can manipulate you. Look at any CULT and see the methods of ISLAM-it is brain washing for simpletons. For those who dare not wash their own brains and take charge of their life and world. COWER on FOOL.
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes Ahah! So You are Negative.
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
@BeamSurfer NEGATIVE? I am not the one bowing down to a LIE-while IMAMs and DICTATORS and OSAMA types get fat. Or do I advocate the marriage of young girls because of some clearly psychotic ideas that a nutter in cave dreamed up. (By any clear modern definition MOHAMMED was psychotic-you know this-right?). I want you to kick out your IMAMS and take back your life and world-bowing down to this crap has given you nothing but PAIN and it has crippled you!
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
He just described the illusion of free will, not free will itself. When Muslims say the deen doesn't contradict itself they are either misinformed or lying to you/themselves. This is one of the many crucial incongruities within Al Qur'an & Hadith, & here this Shaikh is trying to pacify, not answer, you.
This isn't an anti-Muslim comment, in fact I was a practicing Muslim for a year but I couldn't overlook these reoccurring problems that are in ALL Abrahamic faiths & maybe you shouldn't either.
byrjun0agaetis 3 years ago 2
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Living4aReason 3 years ago
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Living4aReason 3 years ago
@byrjun0agaetis
You are right on the money, this nonsense called the Quran and all of the prophets sayings are full of contradiction - plagiarizing other people's teachings and stories just ruined his own message. Fools that don't question it or look at it with an open mind some how skip over that.
Free will and predestination are both in the Quran and don't make any sense - supposed allah is the one who leads people astray to disblief but yet will throw those unbelievers in hell-fire
dannysees 1 year ago
@dannysees It is by far the biggest contradiction in any religion. On one hand you have an All Knowing God, who knew prior to creation even before He created the earth and the heavens and hell, where me and you were going to end up. If that is Hell then what the fuck was the point in the first place?
CottageLife100 1 year ago
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@dannysees =) Buddy, let me tell you something. God (Allah) Knows you very well, he created you, and he knows what you're going to do; BUT! He's not forcing you to do it. Think of it like this, you as a person know another person very well that sometimes, you know which decision he'll make in one situation. You didn't force him to do what he did, but you know. God knows you better, and he knows what you'll do. He didn't force you, thus you have your free will to choose =) Thanks.
YuuFlamel 1 year ago