i'm so glad you are angry. but you should be cause you just had a coronary and kidney failure. let that be a listen hairyfoot. that was the best disaster ever. it will go down in history squint eyes. no one cares for big noses. look at all the comments regarding sasquatches. everybody hates sasquatches. hahahahahahaha. white poser.
Meatloaf, lame and boring. You can't beat me. You're not really getting to me, but I'm getting to you. Hence why you reply to every comment I made that's not even directed to a little nobody like you. Poor little orange wannabe, flaring at the nostrils and hot in the face, how does it feel that I find other Asians better debators than you'll ever be. English is your first language yet you can't utilize it to make an impact on me. I pity you, NOT. Let me puke in your face some more.
@123attivo Pathetic, inferior little wannabe, you will never beat me. Come on, what's next, you eggy chink? Inside out loser, First a nip (whatever the hell that is besides your momma's nipple) and now a gook. Everything has to do with race, you don't seem to understand that you're a pathetic loser to me, hence your insults mean nothing and you'll ever be able to be considered my equal. Funny how you troll yet most Asians don't really care about you. Pwuahaha, cowardly little kiss up. XD
@123attivo What makes you think I hate other Asians? I've never even talked about the Vietnamese and despite arguing with Koreans and Chinese, I don't hate them at all. In fact, I'd choose them over a self-hating weak nerd whose doodle is in a knot. Not caring about them is different from hating, little big nosed hater. What a hypocrite you are considering you were bashing all other Asians. You try to kiss up to Asians but they don't give a shit about you. Whites consider Japanese white, lol.
LOL, wannabe Japanese, always coming to an Asian video and commenting. Nobody cares about a white little piggy, about time you got the hint and went home.
If I were you loser I'd want to be Japanese as well. Oh, and nipper's not an insult. Not even a word. Better just call me a weaboo, lol. What's the Japanese equivalent? Oh there is none. Unlike sad little white people always looking and sucking Japanese ass XD
@123attivo My "Engrish" is better than your English anyday. Let's not even talk about English. You claim to be a proud white, but can't even speak your own language? That lead pipe got you good didn't it. Don't worry it shows. After bopping you on the head and calling you a cock sucker, you've practically become one. Fu fu fu.
I like how every Korean "old time" artifact is blurry and the only actual faces you show are painted by modern nationalists. Who are you trying to fool?
@nielsemo1 The filthiest monkeys in Asia are those kimchee-smelling monkeys which live on Korean Peninsula.
Those Korean monkeys are criminal low lives which killed TEN Million fellow Korean monkeys in the second half of 20th century alone.
Really despicable bunch of monkeys do indeed live on Korean Peninsula!! I hope the Monkey King Kim Jong-il will exterminate them all with his Taepodongs! It will be a pleasure to see Seoul, Taegu, Pusan on fire. Hahahaha!!!
@asadal123 Korean cockroaches LOVE to also shove kimchee up their ass. I am amazed that a Korean cockroach like asadal could read!!
Is it true that Korean cockroaches killed 10 million other Korean cockroaches? Other commentators said that. Answer the question, stupid Korean cockroach!!
Does it really matter if I'm a weaboo or not? I wish I was born Japanese too. Like you. LOL Didn't you know weaboos consist of people from around the world. Everyone wishes they were born Japanese, just look at Magibon. Who wants to be Korean, yuck, not me. Me, pretending? I don't have anything to hide, kimshit. Unlike Koreans and Chinese who make up dozens of accounts from differenct countries and fake nationalities, spreading malicious bullshit.
@watsupzzful Whatever. It's more common amongst Koreans and Chinese, seriously. Japanese people don't have to pretend. They are far more confident and have more self-pride.
The battle of two different types of ching chongs, how exciting. Can't stay peaceful, can't live with each other without breaking into fits of rage? Sigh, you simple minded losers are so pathetic, it's entertaining. Korea was a part of China for a very long time, that's why the characteristic features of both races are so similar. Thankfully, Japan helped liberate Korea from China, although the end result is a jealous bunch of ingrates, owing to the fact they are still very Chinese.
@asadal123 What a historically clueless ching chong loser. So which type of shit are you? Chink or gook?
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Skip to 3:14 in that video. LOL, Korea was part of China up to 1945. If it wasn't for Japan, you'd still be living chinky lives, eating dogs and breathing sprouting filth. Oh wait, you still do. Seems some habits are hard to break right? 4th King of Korea was Japanese by the way.
Korea was not part of China, give me dynasty and name. Qing Manchus ruled China with iron fist, hence pony tail and manchu clothing for han chinks. BTW, 1911 Xinhai revolution freed China from Qing rule. Chinks don't eat dogs??? hahhahhaha XD Just go to Chinatown if you want to smell shit and be dirty. BTW, 4th King?? Give me the name???? You mean Baekje King?? He was born in Japan but his family comes from Korean family, not Japanese. BTW, visit 朝鮮式山城 in japan. hahhahha XD
@asadal123 No fool, just reality. How come everyone in the world agrees with that video but only Koreans like to claim otherwise. Oh, you claim white people are Koreans, everything originated from Korea.. LOL, what a pathetic loser.
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So how does it feel to wish to be Japanese, but knowing you will never be close to their level. Jealousy is an ugly thing now, rofl.
@asadal123 How is the video lying. The only liars are the Koreans, pretty much whole world would agree with that. You try to pass off yourself as capable, your whole life is beating the Japanese, but you don't even come close. How does it feel, to be still angry at the Japanese yet wishing you were born there instead. Poor little jealous loser, I'm not a chink, unlike you, rofl.
@asadal123 Hey now, hey now, you're lumped together with the other chinks. No need to be angry about it. Since your hanbok is so similar to the hanfu, with kimono/yukata rip offs, poor little twigge. So you claim to be the ancestors of Japan, yet you look nothing like them. Their language is far superior to yours, hence why more international people study it.
Hanbok doesn't even look like Hanfu you fucken weeboo! Ancestors of Japan, Yes. Japanese are just mixed people now. hahhahhaha XD
As the kimono has another name, gofuku (呉服?, literally "clothes of Wu (吳)"), the earliest kimonos were heavily influenced by traditional Han Chinese clothing, known today as hanfu (漢服?, kanfuku in Japanese), through Japanese embassies to China which resulted in extensive Chinese culture adoptions by Japan, as early as the 5th century CE.[5] hahhah
@asadal123 If loving Japan, respecting it and admitting it is the most influential and looked up to nation in Australia (the truth) makes me a weaboo, so be it. But you're a weaboo too, unfortunately, you're one that hates Japan yet wishes to look like them. From K-pop to Manhwua, to Kumdo, what's next? LOL, Japan can't be influenced by China because it was isolated from the mainland. However, Korea is heavily influenced by China because it was a vassal for so many years, as stated in the video.
hahhahhahha you're not a waeboo, but a fucken nip, don't pretend, you lieing nipponese onkey. Manhwa????? is not from Japan. We admit Kumdo is from Japan, like how Japanese admit Kyokyoshin karate is from Korea. ^___^ vassal??? hahhahha XD ^___^
@asadal123 is idiotic and shallow as usual. It is easy for everybody to love Japan. It is close to impossible to love a disgusting race of monkeys like Koreans.
Those African-Americans in LA did indeed show so much love toward Koreans during Rodney King riot. They burned down so many Korean stores. It was so amusing!! Hahahaha!!
I hope the Korean "dear leader" Kim Jong-il will exterminate all Korean monkeys!!
@johnnytangghostdog Oh stop bringing up Japan into your personal battles. Weren't you both busy tearing at each other? What's the matter, dumpling? The stench of your filthy body odour to overpowering? Need a distraction from bopping each other on the head one too many times. Well, you wanted to fight, so why stop. Lolol.
Just to tell you Chinese people,,,, In the Sui vs Kokuryeo war.. Sui's 1 million army got destoryed by Kokuryeo and only a few thousand returned to China. It should be recorded in your own history texts .From what i know it is recorded in the book of Tang. I'm just stating a fact .. a fact that ancient Korean army did beat the ancinet chinese army a few times.. Also under king Kwanggetto , Kokuryeo ( korea's ancinet kingdom ) 's territory extended all the way to Manchuria.
actually this part of history which you mentioned is in chinese high school textbook. China occupied northern part of Korea for sometime during Han and Tang Dynasty, and Korea ocuupied part of Manchuria sometimes. and we actually fought toghter against the Japanese for several times. That's just what history is, anyone can become a loser or a winner.
If your "superb" korean military were true, why didn't you EVER obtain any territories outside of your pennisula up to now? And Huaxia was "assimilated" into Dongyi? Where the hell is the evidence?
Im Korean and very proud lets get past that but showing your pride by putting someone down is arrogance especially when the countries are right next to yours we all evolved together and can learn a lot from each other and if we dont grow together well be fighting forever while other countries such as western powers will continue to exploit us
@6ookstazz Sadly as our ancestral land shows that we are never unified from china warring state to three kingdom it had always been fighting among and from Joseon till Goruyeo/ Silla/Buyeo has also been a tough fight. your right ! as our culture and history which interrelates each other closely.yet in modern world it never happened as you know west would intervane and think N-S korea would never be one. is a game for today's USA
@Hanul91 If korea were to unify it would put USA in a deeper trench...japan would be "aware" of korean's unification as well as china and russia. but south korean gotta understand that it was japan that brutally annexed korea off from china's Ching dynasty but not aid. but todays SK seems to hate chinese more than Japs because of the KOrean war which happened.
Yes, not only Korean war, but other things like historical distortions, etc... Korea shouldn't trust neither of those countries. Nor does Japan should trust both countries. Both China and Japan are against unification. We just need to wait for NK to topple down.
@Hanul91 personally point of view here.. because of korea a small country or state in ancient times which was overruled by numerous accounts under china Han,Ming(tributary country)and Ching(tribuatry country) is hard for koreans as you know that there are many koreans living in today shenyang and liaodong state of china.and because china is a mixed mongoloid group of nation in most historical events it posts rich cultures that influnce in japan and korea.
Han didn't ruled Korea which is another misconception. It was only Ming that had tributary relationship to Joseon, Qing are Manchus, not Chinese. China on the other hand, was ruled by different ethnic groups overtime, than Korea itself. Southern Song was a tributary to Jin dynasty which originated from Goryeo. Song was also paid tributes to Liao, western Xia, and Jin.
@Hanul91 i think your history is different from what i had read and known... Goruyeo was indeed included as part of Han's territory please look into wiki but not todays korea. it was later it then expanded into kithan's territory. but soon Kithan fought Goruyeo retreated to today's korea Manchu is todays china's enthnic group but not Han. both han and manchu is call today's chinese. Jin Dynasty is not goruyeo but from Xianbei (Yan)
Can you give me reference that Goguryeo was part of Han's territory. Yes, Goguryeo took Xanbei, Khitan, Mohe, etc.. lands. Manchu back then weren't called Chinese.
@Hanul91 please know that during Gojoseon (choseon) in old chinese and jap text. Wilman of Goruyeo was an exiled from Yan State of china. Wilman create Goruyeo (todays NK) but soon this very chinese influnced General of Yan was crushed by Wudi of Han dynasty thus Goruyeo was being talked often in part of chinese history. Gaoli till far as Qing Dynasty.
Yan state is not chinese, its state was influenced by altaic and it was under Xianbei for numerous time and Yan wasn't sinoized too. Weiman is not Chinese because there is no evidence. Gojoseon and Shang artifacts are different so how are they same people? Wudi crushed Gojoseon but Goguryeo came from Buyeo. So is Buyeo Chinese? If it is, then it's your history.
@Hanul91 During Yan state of the Xianbei many had intermarried into china. thus Xianbei established Kithan and todays Liao dynasty during the Jin/Song era of china. Jin is the successor of the later Manchus empire in china. Yan was included as one of the state of warring era in ancient times. Wilman is not chinese but he is heavily influnced by Yan thus he is chinese influnced. and during his Koruyeo state he accepted many Han people. you gotta know NK are more chinese influnce in the past
There's no proof they intermarried. Yan state wasn't Chinese, since it was never sinozied since Qin annexed it. Xianbei and Khitan were pretty much related, but I don't think Xanbei built Liao right? Jin is successor of Manchu dynasty, but Jin came from Silla. Jin or Kim is part of our history, but not Qing. Weiman is probably an Xanbei person, never can it be Chinese; no artifacts from China, etc.. I never heard Goguryeo accepting Han people.
@Hanul91 xianbei refers to the donghu people and they have longed been into contact during ancient times. accounts of donghu people in earliest era was found to be in shangdong,hebei and some other till southern china regions. you have to know that there were Jin (china),Jin(SK) and Jin (jurchens) . the SK Jin has nothing to do with Jin (jurchen). Jurchen started the Jin/Song/Tangut China. Yan=Xianbei=Khitan(russian text )=Liao then Jin & Jin = jurchens were the manchus.
Jurchen Jin was leaded by Silla expat and yes the same goes for Balhae. Both Balhae and Jin had Mohe/Jurchens fighting with Koreans and Koreans being the leader.
@Hanul91 Jurchen's Jin was led by Wanyan Aguda a mongolic tribe not korean. At the time when weaken Tang and balhae, Liao established (Abaoji) another mongolic tribe which wanted to take Song and led Song/Goryeo alliance against Liao.Liao retreated and Goyeo covered it land today's korea. Liao soon unified Jurchen tribes and eventually assaulated korean''s border,Goryeo attacked Jurchens back and they moved to Song for Jin Establishment in "china" Mongol(Timujin) Hated Jin and conquered Jin.
1. The term Mongol doesn't refer to any specific ethnic group. It is just a mixture of various minor groups that separated from old Joseon, Koguryeo and Qing. Well in the terms of ethnic names, the Jurchen is the older one than the Mongol. Even before Yuan that is known that the emperors were Mongols and Liao, the Jurchen existed. The Jurchens were once people of Dangun, Koguryeo and Balhae .
@Cheon1Son Mongolia is far larger than the northeast region. thou mongolia's civilisation started later at somewhere 200BC and Qin find it hard to put them into submission.Great wall was built and called them xiongnu,the eastern was as donghu. joseon established earlier and situated at south manchuria that does not mean that Mongols were from Joseon. human evolves from Middleeast, influx is from western china to korea and japan.but evidence also shows peking man and java man existed as early
Xiongnu came much later than Gojoseon, in fact, Chinese texts refered to Gojoseon first as a Eastern Barbarian state living aboard with Han Chinese. Gojoseon came from Liao river basin that strenched from Inner Mongolia to Liaoning.
Don't make this mistake, Gojoseon was established before state of Yan. The state of Yan might not be Chinese because there weren't Sinic people but Northerners who adopted Chinese customs and such. This is evidenced by archeleogical proof. Gojoseon is a name found in Chinese books, so we had to use as Chosun. Inner Mongolia and Liaoning first state is Gojoseon not Xianbei. Xianbei came MUCH later than Gojoseon. Even Chinese books say Gojoseon is "state of Dong-yi ren".
@Hanul91 yes liaodong was initially inhabited by Gojoseon people but you have still to regard xianbei and wuhuan people which are again of mongolic group people. "Chinese" refer choseon as joseon people and had traded with Zhou since donghu as eastern barbarians didnt directly refer to koreans but more towards Xianbei Wuhuan and Mohe people
It is said, first chinese books says Gojoseon traded with State of Qi during Zhou, but there was no Dong-hu back then. Wuhuan started to appear after Dong-hu in 7th century BC. 東胡 was refer to people who lived in Liaodong/Hebei region, but it was collection of Foreginers, it could be Korean or Mongolic mixed tribes. The text is not clear about the ethnicity!
@Hanul91 yes you got a point there !! but please know that koreans established a much civilised society than the later Mongolic tribes. people might adopted a pro korean culture just like koreans adopting much of chinese cultures ie Gojoseon,Goruyeo,Goryeo(modern korea)
@Hanul91 yeah i certainly agree with you in the sense of modern china as chinese and korea as koreans.Gojoseon of King Jun(later Jin) contiuned to have vast relations with Han dynasty after his kindgom fell under the hands of Weiman (Goruyeo) . it was said that king Jun's direct contact with Han was being prevented by Wiman's Goruyeo thus emperor Wudi was furious and had crushed wilman's territory till todays Pyongyang.
King Jun and Weiman are two different people with two different kingdoms. Weiman Gojoseon under Weiman control, was under Eastern Gojoeson along the Liao river valley. While King Jun was probably controlled by other Gojoseons. This is complicated because Gojoseon was already seperated by many states with different rulers. Han crushed Weiman, true. But Weiman's capital is debatable, some say it's today's Pyongyang, while other somewhere in Liao river.
@Hanul91 Yeah after fall of King Jun Gojoseon was torn up into pieces from there Weiman rose had ounced Jun which fled to south and established Jin state of korea. Weiman had announced it captial pyongyang. and you have to know that Weiman was an exiled from Zhou State of Yan. which later expanded from Hebei to current Liaodong. under General Qin kai which successfully overthrown the so called Donghu the Xianbei. Han crush Weiman cause Han felt scared with ties between Han and Jin were blocked
That's why many states came out. There's still no or enough evidence that Weiman's capital is today's Pyongyang. BTW, Weiman was a person from Yan, true but there's no evidence of Zhou in Gojoseon. No Han attacked Weiman Joseon because he killed a Han general and he sent She He (涉何) and She He killed Gojoseon general.
@Hanul91 No not Zhou thou.Zhou was not into Gojoseon but it was at later stage when Zhou's state of Yan stretching from Shannxi to Liaodong further north to rid off Dongyi people. yet to know perhaps when during incident such interrelationship between xianbei and late Zhou. it was reported that the last emperor of Yan state was a goruyeo when goruyeo revolted and since then it was known that people in china bear the surname of Gao last emperor of yan to be a gojoseon
I don't know about Yan state that much, but Yan ruled pretty much in Hebei area, not Liaodong, because "Liao river" refers to Luan River area 滦河 back then. Remember Liao river means "Far River" in Hanzi.
I don't think Yan even expanded in Liaodong because Gojoseon holded Liaodong until Han invasion. Yan reached Luan river where that's northern Hebei today, never liaodong which is a misconception.
@Hanul91 Yan indeed expanded into Liaodong from hubei it was also clearly written in records too. Gojoseon described Xianbei as cruel when chinese commander also reported of Gojoseon being a larger than it thought that was advance enough to wage war with Yan state. gojoseon lost its state over 5000li. after rise of Qin Yan state was a large state to conqueror. Yan sent assisnation of Qin shi wang but lost and Qin cruched Yan taking over Liaodong from then then Han expanded more
@Hanul91 i havent been looking to find it but to find such ancient history claims in an area which was over runed by Gojoseon,Zhou,Qin,Han and goruyeo back till as far as till shangdong i would say that its scarce.but just to let ancient Scripts or ancient scholars which wrote to jig puzzle the mystery.such claims on liaodong from Yan till backfire of Yan from Qin and till expansion of pyongyang is clearly written with claims of surname and ancient rulers that describes.
But archeloegical evidence counts more than a historical description written by an enemy (Han Chinese), it proves more! Shandong was originally a Dong-yi land and according to evidence, the Dolmens in Shandong is very identical to ones in Korean peninsula and Liaodong. Pyongyang today is different from Gojoseon ones, maybe Pyongyang (Flat land) can be in Liao He right?
@Hanul91 Dolmens might be or not be from older Yan period as mentioned by ancient historian that again is a vague assumption. but true to say that liaodong was a period when is within gojoseon.as for shangdong at when early Zhou period it state was Qi stretching from Shangdong to shanghai. i wont say that there are no "korean" influences but remains of korean artifacts found could be from later Koruyeo.
Shangdong did asimilate into Zhou, no problem with that, this is from Evdience. We are talking about a gap between pre-history and start of civilization (Gojoseon).
@Hanul91 i didnt know much about Gojoseon but its history is scarce yes it might known that Gojoseon started early. but establishment from shang to Zhou was somewhere at thoese time line.From 1500/1600 BC? early records were of mythical age according to Dangun's from San guo ku Shi? it was said that the longshan cultures were long been at shangdong. dongyi people were also found to be assimilated there but at later stage and during later longshan era Gojoseon was then born
Gojoseon probably started around 3000 BC or less because artifacts like mandolin and dolmens suggest around late 2000 BC era. The myth is of Dangun, maybe the date but the date and artifacts of carbon dating suggest around 2333 BC date which is correct. Longshan culture and specify Dwankou culture has dolmens that date around same time as Korean peninsula, Liaodong and Manchuria, this suggest a connection. And Yes, Shandong is birthplace of Oracle bones.
@Hanul91 But korean first culture was found to be at todays south korea? it may be proto "korean" which later have migrated from there. but to be mindful that there were earlier cultures which evolves at liaodong and shangdong at even earlier age suggested @ 3000BC hongshan. your suggest would be at round 2000BC which is true when influx of Dongyi people during Xia-Shang.some suggest disappearance of madolin daggers at liaodong corresponds to Yan war and a slender type emerge at Jin (SK)
The mandolin daggers appeared heavily just outside of Great Wall, there were few found in Hebei and near Shandong too. Like I said Yan's border was around Luan river, which is right near of today's Great Wall. This already disproves your point that Yan conquered Liaodong, Liaodong means Far East and at that time, Luan river was borderline or "Far East" of Dong-yi people (Foreginers). BTW, Yan state was probably Dong-yi state which was influenced by Chinese culture, that's it.
@Hanul91 Qin's Wall was built to fortified from liaodong till western china. yes as said by shijin was not clear of as mentioned liaodong or liaoxi.but when historical events like Qin taking over Yan which also possessed the exact location which Yan's territory was (area to be liaodong) and findings from korean also said that events of Yan could also connect to madolin dagger's dissapperances to. is just a vague argument here but coincidentially events as such mentioned coincides
Is there proof of Qin wall in today's Liaodong? NOPE. Sorry, but Liaodong was in Luan river like state of Yan. Prove to me that it exist in today's Liaodong, I laugh at you and can't read Hanzi?
@Hanul91 lol Qin's wall has always been shown in both western media and chinese at the location of liaodong, not sure about korean thou which i wonder why... but am not jumping conclusion yet i have also read on korean's side of story about having chinese goverment making up stories and such.or vice versa. i'll like to visit china and even north korea someday, yes i agree i have to learn Hanzi and i urge you to learn ways of being polite and not rude, friend
Are you sure? because the Liaodong wall doesn't look anything like Qin wall. Does it? Chinese gov't is too much unbelievable since they love to post propaganda and other crap.
@Hanul91 am not a historian here but it certain looks old and most of its pictured structures were being chipped off. i think chinese goverment having visitors to ancient wall like this and even palaces is a ripped off !! cause they only know how to engrave their names on it which harms the heritage. i dont know how bad the goverment is but to visit china and to understand the goverment is then one can relates to comments. have you been a trip to China? and NK?
Yes, Chinese gov't are not good at taking care of their relics, which is a big problem nowadays. You can't even see Han dynasty buildings anymore, and Qin too. This will be much harder to interpret history, if the historic relics are being rotten away. I think NK does a better job though which is hard to believe.
@Hanul91 if only todays NK is off from communist rule then both korean and chinese would be able to find more prove?i got no idea of pyongyang would be at liaoHe.unless Qin dynasty's claim over Yan state is not proven. but i am not jumping conclusion that it may not be. i wont regard our conversation here as a challange or to post any undesirable argument thou it may sounds abit "Mean" but this is just a matter of how well individual of us treasured we eastern people histories.
If Nk could let South Korea archelogists to investigate, then it would solve the problem if Han commanderies did in fact were placed in today's Korean peninsula. If we don't find any trace of Han commanderies, then this alone disproves the claim also with historical evidence because Liao He was birthplace of Gojoseon, by artifacts and historical references.
Liaodong (遼東)" in early Chinese records (before China annexed the present day Liaodong peninsula by defeating Goguryeo in 668 A.D.) do not mean the present day Liaoding peninsula, the region to the east of the present day Liaohe River (遼河) as a proper pronoun. Instead, Liaodong in the context means the far eastern region of China at the time the term Liaodong was defined."
@Hanul91 i have also started to find North korea interesting. Han did cruch weiman but not captured thats why Goruyeo was still at large when they Han setted up commandery at lelang at north korea. Great wall of Han was builted stretching from Pyongyang till west of Han. after fall of Han at lelang Han's coinage still flourished at Pyongyang trades still resume. korean history cannot deny that they were not being influnced by "china" from Arts,beliefs,Food till writings
Like I said, Lelang and other 3 commanderies are controversile since the archeogical proofs doesn't fit with Chinese description. I don't know about any "Han" wall but there was no wall strenched Pyongyang. This is just a fabrication made by CCP. We had currency during Gojoseon with Yan state, not Han. What do you mean influenced?
@Hanul91 as an overseas chinese as i am getting very very interested in all mongoloid history as its so connected which one cannot deny. one have to study mongolian,korean history to understand chinese history. and it looks like i have to visit north korea someday !!
"Ancient Chinese records refer to conquest of "Liaodong" (遼東; literally meaning "Far East") by Qin Kai. Some modern historians rashly jumped to the conclusion that the Chinese conquered the present day Liaodong region to the east of the present day Liaohe River (遼河). This is a mistake caused by assuming the name of the region stays the same throughout centuries when the name."
"Literally, "Liaodong" was not a proper pronoun at that time, and only meant "Far East." The location of "Far East" means the far eastern region of that time, to be measured from where one described the event, before the name "Liaodong" (遼東)" was established as a proper noun. "
Sure Korea was influenced by China by various degrees like philosophy, writing system, etc.. but Korean kept the tradition for and still it keep today for 5,000 years. Korea also influenced China like minor things like folding fan, foods and herbs like Dajiang and Ginseng, etc...
@hopkinWFG 2. The groupd that was known as Jurchen was led by Silla Royal family members and the Jurchen under coltrol of Silla Royal power took Song of Chinese, but got attacked by Yuan.
Hey they are Jin and Qin royalties that proved that they were direct descendants of Silla ryoal family. Why did they do like that if they were from ancestors of Mongol tribe?
@Cheon1Son lol Jurchen was led by Wanyan Aguda mongolic script. same as Kithan which uses mongolic script too. ancient korean uses Hanja (Han writings) if Silla took hold of Jurchen to expell Song dynasty why would Goryeo/Buyeo wage war against Liao/Khitan which eventually give rise to Jin (Jurchens)? and why wouldnt Jurchens uses Hanja instead of Mongolic script? and why wont Silla/Goryeo be included in Jin (Jurchen)/Song "s China map?
LOL Buyeo didn't exist at that time of Liao. Jin came from Goryeo, fair enough but Jin was seperate just like Goguryeo and Balhae. Jin and Balhae were same people as Jurchens says. Even ex-Balhae people governed Jin dynasty of China with Jin emperors who originated from Goryeo (United Silla).
@Hanul91 Is Buyeo ancestor of balhae? i heard after fall of Goruyeo and a goruyeo general fled and established Balhae and have expanded territories there..i think we are turning circles again Balhae did created a "united ethnic nation" but not same people in relations. thou there would have intermarriages but two different groups still have their own identies as we would still verify from names and origins. donghu people have played important role in north chinese and korean history.
Buyeo is ancestor of Goguryeo, and Goguryeo is ancestor of Balhae. Donghu (Khitan and Xanbei) might have connections with ancient Koreans through blood and even history. Gojoseon had territories in Inner Mongolia too (where Dong-hu originated).
@Hanul91 yes later kithans or jurchens does play a part in koreans history because of balhae and Fuyi (buyeo). but please be mindful that it was mongolian tribes which are presence in manchuria, a mongolian say that a jurchens/manchus are of more mongolian related because of their name but cultures may have also being adopted from koreans since presence of Balhae and Fuyi. to say that koreans were sushen,manchu,,kithans etc is just being too unfair manchuria still a land of different ethnicities
No Khitans and Jurchens also played a part in early stages of Three Kingdoms period like Buyeo and especially Goguryeo and Balhae. There was no such thing as "Mongolian" back then, only Sushen at this time of history and later called "Jurchens". I didn't say Sushen or Manchu was Korean, I said they came from SAME roots as us, which is Gojoseon, ok? Genetic testing proves this that Manchu is closest to all peoples in world, ok? Manchuria with different ethnicities appeared much later
I think Gojoseon territories at its height encompasses today's Shandong, Hebei, Manchuria, Korea, and even NW of Kyushu (Japan), because of dolmens found which has Korean styles.
@hopkinWFG 3. Ok, let's say you are right about the origin of Qing Royalty. Then why? Why did they claim to be Silla origin and even leave the record that "We are from SILLA not KOGURYEO". Is it because they felt shame to be related with the Mongol tribe? For Jin and Qing royalities, the matter was not to be misunderstood as KOGURYEO descendants ; they stressed that they are SILLA descendants, not Koguryeo descendants.
@Cheon1Son Please be mindful that manchuria is a land of many different ethnic groups from Joseon(early accounts),Buyeo,Khitans,Liao, sushen Xianbei,Han and Goruyeo.. yes joseon had established first at southern manchuria but that do not simply means Xianbei,Sushen kithans were the same people. Manchuria is a mixture of Dongyi people and Xiongnu (mongolic). Even when Qin unified there are many different ethnic groups Han was a small group at todays Henan province.
Gojoseon is first civilization in Manchuria, ok. But Gojoseon was divided by many states like Buyeo, Okje, Sushen, etc.. Evidence of Mandolin daggers found in Eastern Manchuria proves that Sushen (later Manchus) were same people/culture as later Koreans. Dong-hu (Xianbei, Khitan) appeared as Gojoseon became weak.
@Hanul91 i'll say Gojoseon,Buyeo balhae are all related to korean history we can never deny that !! but kithans sushen jurchens remains more towards mongolic influenced people.With different ethnicities in manchuria which later got influnced into "china" and created a kithan scripts which is from chinese characters and later turned into jurchens mongolian script. if they are more koreans influence why didnt they used hanja instead? infact koreans were more pro "china" in ancient times
Sushen was never Mongolic, Jurchens came from Sushen. Khitans and Xanbei came from Dong-hu people which are mongolic people. In your book, the first account is that Sushen was a vassal of Buyeo (Fuyu). Sushen was one of the people that came from Gojoseon. They even celebrate Dangun and the Baekdusan mountain as their origin. Dong-hu might came from Gojoseon but further studies has to be made without Chinese distortion!!!!
@Hanul91 Yours right about shushen which actually came from Shangdong. but early accounts from chinese text of donghu is not koreans but the toba people of mongolia they had travelled and resides in many of modern zhou hebei,shannxi and gansu. till ask far as sushen as jurchens thats why they had adopted more mongolian names than koreans being more Hanja related.
Sure Dong-hu might not be Gojoseon but Dong-hu appeared in 7th century BC. This is a breakup of Gojoseon territories, Gojoseon was becoming weaker and weaker. Gojoseon (bronze age) artifacts had been found in Inner mongolia and Liaodong, this means that they were seperated from Gojoseon just like Buyeo or Sushen was!
problem is that the Chinese government only show propaganda cultures of the Manchu : girls with fake smils in splendid dress dance and sing very happily on the Chinese government run TV.
Their true traditional cultures still look almost the same to modern Korea. If you want to learn about the true Manchu, you should meet true Qing descendants, not fake ones brainwashed by the Chinese government.
@Cheon1Son History has nothing to do with goverment policies.but from a number of historians and scholars which takes pride to take each ancient scripts that relates to us on how our ancestors had lived and to tell how they evolved. if goverment do plays part in todays history wont the ancient civilised Persian empire back fire the importance of freeing the isreals in ancient Persian empire?
@Cheon1Son , stop lying. NO one wants to be a gook. Gooks very super small slanted slit eyes, big heads, big wide flat faces, and big flat noses. Stop embarrassing yourself. GOoks are subhuman looking and 20% of gooky DNA is not identifiiable due to the mixing of gooks with "the missing link" giving gooks ape like features.
@RealDetectives2010 its kinda funny you say that knowing the Turks are the blacks/Hispanics of Europe. kinda sux to be the bottom feeders......yea....I'd keep my mouth shut kid.
LOL Jurchens are mongolic tribe? They were tungusic people like Koreans and btw, Jurchens also paid tributes to us saying how they were related to us. It's all recorded in YOUR and MY books! Liao was defeated by Goryeo, but Song has to pay tributes to them. Goryeo never attacked Jin only in early stages of Jin. Jin preposed peace as "brothers". Only Mongol allied with Song defeated Jin dynasty just like how Tang ally with Silla to defeat Goguryeo.
@Hanul91 your back ! lol yes jurchens are more of mongolic tribes related Jurchens names ie aguda is definately not korean but is somehow mongolic influnced. Kithans like Yelu abaoji is also among the mongolic type names. none of these are actually related to korea. but yes at korean's history Balhae did created a multi ethnic group nation.but is still two seperated different people. Liao defeated balhae and claimed back it land and since then goryeo created peace treaties with Liao
Can you prove that Jurchens are Mongolic tribes? BTW, Balhae included ex-Goguryeo people and Mohe people. The same for Jin dynasty. Goryeo never had peace treaty with Liao, Liao was defeated and they were forced to pull out of the campaign. Refer Goryeo-Liao wars, please.
Can you give me a reference to Goguryeo accepting Han people? BTW If NK has more "chinese influence" than SK, than they should use some Hanja, not 100% Hangul. LOL
@Hanul91 thou Han migration to Goruyeo is not massive but it was accentuated cause Koruyeo has immense historical relation in chinese history because of Wilman and Gojosen who had traded with State of Qi (Shanghai) it was told that b4 Han/Koruyeo war. Koruyeo also in ties with Han but Koruyeo soon cut Jin(SK) from Han and Han was scared but to go war with Koruyeo. during era b4 and after, Hans migrated by acceptance of Wilman thus can predict "Cai=Chae",Song,Lee,Wang was used in korea
Actually, Wiman came from state of Yan, but Gojoseon traded with both states: Qi and Yan. Goguryeo didn't have war with Han, Goguryeo with Buyeo conquered the lands in Manchuria. I don't doubt that some Hans emigrated to Gojoseon and adopted Sino-names. Some came, but many adopted those names.
@ people trying to reason with Cheon1Son's vids... guys just give it up. Pretty much all of this dude's videos is about how great korea is and along the way diminish other cultures like the chinese. Just laugh it off, because no one believes this crap except for nationalists anyway. Korea is a wonderful country with a cool culture, but this shit is just stupid. Folks like this give korea a bad name.
Personally I enjoyed this. It was hilarious LOL... cheers :)
I just don't understand why when all the world recognize the chinese culture as the historical dominate one,korea is still trying to hide the truth?Now S.Korea is rich than China,is that not enough?You all guys who are the yellow learned chinese culture and words,everybody knows it,why korea wants to deny?
Lots of laugh. Stop telling lies. Koreans are most hated in the world due to koreans inferior complex. Why koreans claiming Some chinese tribes are korean, japanese are korean, siberians are koreans, british people are korean, turkish people are korean, Mongolian turks are korean, North and south american indians are koreans. Absolutely lies and was proven. Why koreans are shamelss??????
Learn about the path of human expansion out of East Africa dumb ass. Go check out the summer issue of national geographic. This magazine requires review by world wide scientists and not koreans own version of stories.
korea must admit that china raped you 1000 years. now you want steal land and histroy from china but N korea is still under china. this time china will let N korea fuck you ugly big mouth
@hxw19850815 LOL, PLEASEEEEE. China NEVER raped Korea. The Ming never invaded Joseon, the Song never laid a FINGER on Goryeo, and the Tang were forced to withdraw in the face of Shilla resistance, not to mention the fact that Goguryeo caused the fall of the Sui. Only the Mongols and Manchus have defeated Korea and penetrated the peninsula, they are FAR from Chinese. It took the Mongols 40 years to have Goryeo merely ask for PEACE, and the dynasty still survived. Song and Jin both perished.
@pakmano7 How about the invasion of the Han Dynasty in Go Joseon which cost to it's destruction? It is not the Goguryeo caused the fall of Sui Dynasty, it is their Ambition to annex Goguryeo and subjugate the whole Korean peninsula, which was later on continued by Tang Dynasty with the alliance of Shilla..
Actually Han dynasty didn't cost total destruction to Gojoseon. The Han dynasty put commanderies in what is now Liaodong region which was part of Korea back then. After Gojoseon, came the three kingdoms era. Goguryeo did cause downfall of Sui becuase it led to bankrupcy.
TaiGekTou. In America, where there is always focus on "hot" or "upcoming" culture, there will always be one country that will be a focus of attention. I want to see more of us in the limelight—dictating how American culture is shaped in the future.
As for me, I can not live without eating Chinese, Korean, Japanese food. Let's take a same attitude with our history and culture. There is no point in arguing what makes each dish better. Let's pick up the chopstick and dig in!
China, Korea, and Japan. We all have great cultures and should be proud of them. I think we should always respect and constantly learn from each other. We also need to work together, and support each other to be taken seriously in the future.
@jaewoosong I agree, but who the heck takes us seriously anymore? It's all about Japanese culture and anime these days. Some crazy guy once said "Chinese 250 years of history is nothing compared to Japan" and I laugh, then I saw Zhuge Liang's signature robe and hat labeled a kimono samurai silk and I cry.
I don't hate Japanese people or Japan in general, and I try not to use history as a means to justify hate, but these non-Japanese who constantly express Japan superiority is annoying as hell.
The first dynasty setted out to rule china was Ching shi wang first emperor of china after warring state among all in today's china and korea well as mongolia Shi wang was from western china of todays Xian.. he builted great wall demarked and announced Chin as his kingdom and set Han tribes among others ie Mongols... under his command he setted hanja which is "chinese" writing as common language. china is a nationality among mongoloid people than a race this video is very discriminative again!!
what's the music...
polychronio 9 months ago
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@123attivo = meatloaf
i'm so glad you are angry. but you should be cause you just had a coronary and kidney failure. let that be a listen hairyfoot. that was the best disaster ever. it will go down in history squint eyes. no one cares for big noses. look at all the comments regarding sasquatches. everybody hates sasquatches. hahahahahahaha. white poser.
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo
Meatloaf, lame and boring. You can't beat me. You're not really getting to me, but I'm getting to you. Hence why you reply to every comment I made that's not even directed to a little nobody like you. Poor little orange wannabe, flaring at the nostrils and hot in the face, how does it feel that I find other Asians better debators than you'll ever be. English is your first language yet you can't utilize it to make an impact on me. I pity you, NOT. Let me puke in your face some more.
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo Pathetic, inferior little wannabe, you will never beat me. Come on, what's next, you eggy chink? Inside out loser, First a nip (whatever the hell that is besides your momma's nipple) and now a gook. Everything has to do with race, you don't seem to understand that you're a pathetic loser to me, hence your insults mean nothing and you'll ever be able to be considered my equal. Funny how you troll yet most Asians don't really care about you. Pwuahaha, cowardly little kiss up. XD
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo What makes you think I hate other Asians? I've never even talked about the Vietnamese and despite arguing with Koreans and Chinese, I don't hate them at all. In fact, I'd choose them over a self-hating weak nerd whose doodle is in a knot. Not caring about them is different from hating, little big nosed hater. What a hypocrite you are considering you were bashing all other Asians. You try to kiss up to Asians but they don't give a shit about you. Whites consider Japanese white, lol.
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo = Inferior pork
Obsessive greasy nerd, ahhh stroke, stroke. Stalk me more, you pansy. Dying from chomping on another burger. LOL Pathetic.
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo = ching chong pasta boy.
LOL, wannabe Japanese, always coming to an Asian video and commenting. Nobody cares about a white little piggy, about time you got the hint and went home.
If I were you loser I'd want to be Japanese as well. Oh, and nipper's not an insult. Not even a word. Better just call me a weaboo, lol. What's the Japanese equivalent? Oh there is none. Unlike sad little white people always looking and sucking Japanese ass XD
gyaradosgengar 10 months ago
@123attivo My "Engrish" is better than your English anyday. Let's not even talk about English. You claim to be a proud white, but can't even speak your own language? That lead pipe got you good didn't it. Don't worry it shows. After bopping you on the head and calling you a cock sucker, you've practically become one. Fu fu fu.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
I like how every Korean "old time" artifact is blurry and the only actual faces you show are painted by modern nationalists. Who are you trying to fool?
Lathdrinor 1 year ago
@iHornyTroll
Karate = China
Kyokushin = Korea
Kimono = China
Yakiniku = Korea
asadal123 1 year ago
@nielsemo1 I did not know that Korean cockroaches could read and write!!
kimdynastyforever 1 year ago
@nielsemo1 The filthiest monkeys in Asia are those kimchee-smelling monkeys which live on Korean Peninsula.
Those Korean monkeys are criminal low lives which killed TEN Million fellow Korean monkeys in the second half of 20th century alone.
Really despicable bunch of monkeys do indeed live on Korean Peninsula!! I hope the Monkey King Kim Jong-il will exterminate them all with his Taepodongs! It will be a pleasure to see Seoul, Taegu, Pusan on fire. Hahahaha!!!
kingmannumberone 1 year ago
@kingmannumberone
LOL Japs love eating Kimchi too, dumbfuck. BTW, go eat your fucken smelly ass Natto. hahhahha XD fucken dohphin munchers.
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 Korean cockroaches LOVE to also shove kimchee up their ass. I am amazed that a Korean cockroach like asadal could read!!
Is it true that Korean cockroaches killed 10 million other Korean cockroaches? Other commentators said that. Answer the question, stupid Korean cockroach!!
kimdynastyforever 1 year ago
@kimdynastyforever
Mao Asada is a burikuman, a lowest class in Japan hhahhahahhahhahhahah XD
asadal123 1 year ago
Does it really matter if I'm a weaboo or not? I wish I was born Japanese too. Like you. LOL Didn't you know weaboos consist of people from around the world. Everyone wishes they were born Japanese, just look at Magibon. Who wants to be Korean, yuck, not me. Me, pretending? I don't have anything to hide, kimshit. Unlike Koreans and Chinese who make up dozens of accounts from differenct countries and fake nationalities, spreading malicious bullshit.
By the way,
watch?v=xHw03L7u-vg
LOL
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar btw, I've seen many Japanese claiming fake nationalities to spread message of hate. Please don't embarrass yourself.
watsupzzful 1 year ago
@watsupzzful Whatever. It's more common amongst Koreans and Chinese, seriously. Japanese people don't have to pretend. They are far more confident and have more self-pride.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@nielsemo1 Not nonsense. Just facts. What's wrong, can't hack the truth shoved up your ass?
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
The battle of two different types of ching chongs, how exciting. Can't stay peaceful, can't live with each other without breaking into fits of rage? Sigh, you simple minded losers are so pathetic, it's entertaining. Korea was a part of China for a very long time, that's why the characteristic features of both races are so similar. Thankfully, Japan helped liberate Korea from China, although the end result is a jealous bunch of ingrates, owing to the fact they are still very Chinese.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
LOL Give me the date and dynasty, alight Chink shit. You were slaves of Qing and were freed in 1911 revolution!
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 What a historically clueless ching chong loser. So which type of shit are you? Chink or gook?
watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8&feature=related
Skip to 3:14 in that video. LOL, Korea was part of China up to 1945. If it wasn't for Japan, you'd still be living chinky lives, eating dogs and breathing sprouting filth. Oh wait, you still do. Seems some habits are hard to break right? 4th King of Korea was Japanese by the way.
You're true history.
watch?v=DN7PuH-jRts
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
Korea was not part of China, give me dynasty and name. Qing Manchus ruled China with iron fist, hence pony tail and manchu clothing for han chinks. BTW, 1911 Xinhai revolution freed China from Qing rule. Chinks don't eat dogs??? hahhahhaha XD Just go to Chinatown if you want to smell shit and be dirty. BTW, 4th King?? Give me the name???? You mean Baekje King?? He was born in Japan but his family comes from Korean family, not Japanese. BTW, visit 朝鮮式山城 in japan. hahhahha XD
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8&feature=related
Enough said. LOL
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
IF you want to talk history, then fine. IF you want to give me YT videos when people can photoshop, then you are only a fool. ^___^ LOL
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 No fool, just reality. How come everyone in the world agrees with that video but only Koreans like to claim otherwise. Oh, you claim white people are Koreans, everything originated from Korea.. LOL, what a pathetic loser.
watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8&feature=related
watch?v=DN7PuH-jRts
So how does it feel to wish to be Japanese, but knowing you will never be close to their level. Jealousy is an ugly thing now, rofl.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
Pathetic loser make such lie videos, only men confront the problem with truth. LOL jealousy, arent you a being jealous right now??? Chino???
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 How is the video lying. The only liars are the Koreans, pretty much whole world would agree with that. You try to pass off yourself as capable, your whole life is beating the Japanese, but you don't even come close. How does it feel, to be still angry at the Japanese yet wishing you were born there instead. Poor little jealous loser, I'm not a chink, unlike you, rofl.
watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8&feature=related
watch?v=DN7PuH-jRts
LOL
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
It's kind of boring if you keep showing me the same videos, you chink. Jealous?? when did I was jealous, you fucktard chink.
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 Hey now, hey now, you're lumped together with the other chinks. No need to be angry about it. Since your hanbok is so similar to the hanfu, with kimono/yukata rip offs, poor little twigge. So you claim to be the ancestors of Japan, yet you look nothing like them. Their language is far superior to yours, hence why more international people study it.
watch?v=IJn5fPlYBU8&feature=related
watch?v=DN7PuH-jRts
Go suck on it, bwuahaha.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
Hanbok doesn't even look like Hanfu you fucken weeboo! Ancestors of Japan, Yes. Japanese are just mixed people now. hahhahhaha XD
As the kimono has another name, gofuku (呉服?, literally "clothes of Wu (吳)"), the earliest kimonos were heavily influenced by traditional Han Chinese clothing, known today as hanfu (漢服?, kanfuku in Japanese), through Japanese embassies to China which resulted in extensive Chinese culture adoptions by Japan, as early as the 5th century CE.[5] hahhah
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 If loving Japan, respecting it and admitting it is the most influential and looked up to nation in Australia (the truth) makes me a weaboo, so be it. But you're a weaboo too, unfortunately, you're one that hates Japan yet wishes to look like them. From K-pop to Manhwua, to Kumdo, what's next? LOL, Japan can't be influenced by China because it was isolated from the mainland. However, Korea is heavily influenced by China because it was a vassal for so many years, as stated in the video.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
@gyaradosgengar
hahhahhahha you're not a waeboo, but a fucken nip, don't pretend, you lieing nipponese onkey. Manhwa????? is not from Japan. We admit Kumdo is from Japan, like how Japanese admit Kyokyoshin karate is from Korea. ^___^ vassal??? hahhahha XD ^___^
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 is idiotic and shallow as usual. It is easy for everybody to love Japan. It is close to impossible to love a disgusting race of monkeys like Koreans.
Those African-Americans in LA did indeed show so much love toward Koreans during Rodney King riot. They burned down so many Korean stores. It was so amusing!! Hahahaha!!
I hope the Korean "dear leader" Kim Jong-il will exterminate all Korean monkeys!!
kingmannumberone 1 year ago
Japanese people please do not eat dolphins they are a mammal just like us, they are not a fish!!!
johnnytangghostdog 1 year ago
@johnnytangghostdog Oh stop bringing up Japan into your personal battles. Weren't you both busy tearing at each other? What's the matter, dumpling? The stench of your filthy body odour to overpowering? Need a distraction from bopping each other on the head one too many times. Well, you wanted to fight, so why stop. Lolol.
gyaradosgengar 1 year ago
china doesn't use a iron plate amor.
saruhunter 1 year ago
Just to tell you Chinese people,,,, In the Sui vs Kokuryeo war.. Sui's 1 million army got destoryed by Kokuryeo and only a few thousand returned to China. It should be recorded in your own history texts .From what i know it is recorded in the book of Tang. I'm just stating a fact .. a fact that ancient Korean army did beat the ancinet chinese army a few times.. Also under king Kwanggetto , Kokuryeo ( korea's ancinet kingdom ) 's territory extended all the way to Manchuria.
TheKorChn 1 year ago
@TheKorChn
actually this part of history which you mentioned is in chinese high school textbook. China occupied northern part of Korea for sometime during Han and Tang Dynasty, and Korea ocuupied part of Manchuria sometimes. and we actually fought toghter against the Japanese for several times. That's just what history is, anyone can become a loser or a winner.
harmonyordie 1 year ago
If your "superb" korean military were true, why didn't you EVER obtain any territories outside of your pennisula up to now? And Huaxia was "assimilated" into Dongyi? Where the hell is the evidence?
Hanueberalles 1 year ago
The fuck is this video?
Comparing China to Korea in "old times" - this video title itself is very offensive.
andrew3656 1 year ago
more gooky videos show how desperate gooks are tryngto brainwash the world. IT isn't working gooktard nationalist Cheon1Son. Ha, ha, ha
RealDetectives2010 1 year ago
i just wanna say...korean are so funny
what a fuckin and stupid video
PP19941 1 year ago
ugh the fxcking comments below these videos are always so annoying. stop fxcking arguing morons.
pakmano7 1 year ago
We should compare Shang, Zhou, Warring States, and Qin to 古朝鲜 while Han dynasty to Goguryeo/Buyeo.
Hanul91 1 year ago
Im Korean and very proud lets get past that but showing your pride by putting someone down is arrogance especially when the countries are right next to yours we all evolved together and can learn a lot from each other and if we dont grow together well be fighting forever while other countries such as western powers will continue to exploit us
6ookstazz 1 year ago 7
@6ookstazz Sadly as our ancestral land shows that we are never unified from china warring state to three kingdom it had always been fighting among and from Joseon till Goruyeo/ Silla/Buyeo has also been a tough fight. your right ! as our culture and history which interrelates each other closely.yet in modern world it never happened as you know west would intervane and think N-S korea would never be one. is a game for today's USA
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
I don't know what you mean. I think Korea will reunified one day, no doubt. China's is playing game of Russia.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 If korea were to unify it would put USA in a deeper trench...japan would be "aware" of korean's unification as well as china and russia. but south korean gotta understand that it was japan that brutally annexed korea off from china's Ching dynasty but not aid. but todays SK seems to hate chinese more than Japs because of the KOrean war which happened.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Yes, not only Korean war, but other things like historical distortions, etc... Korea shouldn't trust neither of those countries. Nor does Japan should trust both countries. Both China and Japan are against unification. We just need to wait for NK to topple down.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 personally point of view here.. because of korea a small country or state in ancient times which was overruled by numerous accounts under china Han,Ming(tributary country)and Ching(tribuatry country) is hard for koreans as you know that there are many koreans living in today shenyang and liaodong state of china.and because china is a mixed mongoloid group of nation in most historical events it posts rich cultures that influnce in japan and korea.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Han didn't ruled Korea which is another misconception. It was only Ming that had tributary relationship to Joseon, Qing are Manchus, not Chinese. China on the other hand, was ruled by different ethnic groups overtime, than Korea itself. Southern Song was a tributary to Jin dynasty which originated from Goryeo. Song was also paid tributes to Liao, western Xia, and Jin.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i think your history is different from what i had read and known... Goruyeo was indeed included as part of Han's territory please look into wiki but not todays korea. it was later it then expanded into kithan's territory. but soon Kithan fought Goruyeo retreated to today's korea Manchu is todays china's enthnic group but not Han. both han and manchu is call today's chinese. Jin Dynasty is not goruyeo but from Xianbei (Yan)
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Can you give me reference that Goguryeo was part of Han's territory. Yes, Goguryeo took Xanbei, Khitan, Mohe, etc.. lands. Manchu back then weren't called Chinese.
金則本我國平州之人, 稱我爲父母之國, 尹灌築九城之地, 以先春嶺爲界, 終金之世, 兵不相加. (高麗史)
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 please know that during Gojoseon (choseon) in old chinese and jap text. Wilman of Goruyeo was an exiled from Yan State of china. Wilman create Goruyeo (todays NK) but soon this very chinese influnced General of Yan was crushed by Wudi of Han dynasty thus Goruyeo was being talked often in part of chinese history. Gaoli till far as Qing Dynasty.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Yan state is not chinese, its state was influenced by altaic and it was under Xianbei for numerous time and Yan wasn't sinoized too. Weiman is not Chinese because there is no evidence. Gojoseon and Shang artifacts are different so how are they same people? Wudi crushed Gojoseon but Goguryeo came from Buyeo. So is Buyeo Chinese? If it is, then it's your history.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 During Yan state of the Xianbei many had intermarried into china. thus Xianbei established Kithan and todays Liao dynasty during the Jin/Song era of china. Jin is the successor of the later Manchus empire in china. Yan was included as one of the state of warring era in ancient times. Wilman is not chinese but he is heavily influnced by Yan thus he is chinese influnced. and during his Koruyeo state he accepted many Han people. you gotta know NK are more chinese influnce in the past
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
There's no proof they intermarried. Yan state wasn't Chinese, since it was never sinozied since Qin annexed it. Xianbei and Khitan were pretty much related, but I don't think Xanbei built Liao right? Jin is successor of Manchu dynasty, but Jin came from Silla. Jin or Kim is part of our history, but not Qing. Weiman is probably an Xanbei person, never can it be Chinese; no artifacts from China, etc.. I never heard Goguryeo accepting Han people.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 xianbei refers to the donghu people and they have longed been into contact during ancient times. accounts of donghu people in earliest era was found to be in shangdong,hebei and some other till southern china regions. you have to know that there were Jin (china),Jin(SK) and Jin (jurchens) . the SK Jin has nothing to do with Jin (jurchen). Jurchen started the Jin/Song/Tangut China. Yan=Xianbei=Khitan(russian text )=Liao then Jin & Jin = jurchens were the manchus.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Jurchen Jin was leaded by Silla expat and yes the same goes for Balhae. Both Balhae and Jin had Mohe/Jurchens fighting with Koreans and Koreans being the leader.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Jurchen's Jin was led by Wanyan Aguda a mongolic tribe not korean. At the time when weaken Tang and balhae, Liao established (Abaoji) another mongolic tribe which wanted to take Song and led Song/Goryeo alliance against Liao.Liao retreated and Goyeo covered it land today's korea. Liao soon unified Jurchen tribes and eventually assaulated korean''s border,Goryeo attacked Jurchens back and they moved to Song for Jin Establishment in "china" Mongol(Timujin) Hated Jin and conquered Jin.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
1. The term Mongol doesn't refer to any specific ethnic group. It is just a mixture of various minor groups that separated from old Joseon, Koguryeo and Qing. Well in the terms of ethnic names, the Jurchen is the older one than the Mongol. Even before Yuan that is known that the emperors were Mongols and Liao, the Jurchen existed. The Jurchens were once people of Dangun, Koguryeo and Balhae .
Cheon1Son 1 year ago
@Cheon1Son Mongolia is far larger than the northeast region. thou mongolia's civilisation started later at somewhere 200BC and Qin find it hard to put them into submission.Great wall was built and called them xiongnu,the eastern was as donghu. joseon established earlier and situated at south manchuria that does not mean that Mongols were from Joseon. human evolves from Middleeast, influx is from western china to korea and japan.but evidence also shows peking man and java man existed as early
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Xiongnu came much later than Gojoseon, in fact, Chinese texts refered to Gojoseon first as a Eastern Barbarian state living aboard with Han Chinese. Gojoseon came from Liao river basin that strenched from Inner Mongolia to Liaoning.
Hanul91 1 year ago
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hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Don't make this mistake, Gojoseon was established before state of Yan. The state of Yan might not be Chinese because there weren't Sinic people but Northerners who adopted Chinese customs and such. This is evidenced by archeleogical proof. Gojoseon is a name found in Chinese books, so we had to use as Chosun. Inner Mongolia and Liaoning first state is Gojoseon not Xianbei. Xianbei came MUCH later than Gojoseon. Even Chinese books say Gojoseon is "state of Dong-yi ren".
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 yes liaodong was initially inhabited by Gojoseon people but you have still to regard xianbei and wuhuan people which are again of mongolic group people. "Chinese" refer choseon as joseon people and had traded with Zhou since donghu as eastern barbarians didnt directly refer to koreans but more towards Xianbei Wuhuan and Mohe people
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
It is said, first chinese books says Gojoseon traded with State of Qi during Zhou, but there was no Dong-hu back then. Wuhuan started to appear after Dong-hu in 7th century BC. 東胡 was refer to people who lived in Liaodong/Hebei region, but it was collection of Foreginers, it could be Korean or Mongolic mixed tribes. The text is not clear about the ethnicity!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 yes you got a point there !! but please know that koreans established a much civilised society than the later Mongolic tribes. people might adopted a pro korean culture just like koreans adopting much of chinese cultures ie Gojoseon,Goruyeo,Goryeo(modern korea)
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Gojoseon never adopted Chinese culture, Three Kingdoms did. "Chinese" never existed, so did "Korean", only by Kingdoms and States.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 yeah i certainly agree with you in the sense of modern china as chinese and korea as koreans.Gojoseon of King Jun(later Jin) contiuned to have vast relations with Han dynasty after his kindgom fell under the hands of Weiman (Goruyeo) . it was said that king Jun's direct contact with Han was being prevented by Wiman's Goruyeo thus emperor Wudi was furious and had crushed wilman's territory till todays Pyongyang.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
King Jun and Weiman are two different people with two different kingdoms. Weiman Gojoseon under Weiman control, was under Eastern Gojoeson along the Liao river valley. While King Jun was probably controlled by other Gojoseons. This is complicated because Gojoseon was already seperated by many states with different rulers. Han crushed Weiman, true. But Weiman's capital is debatable, some say it's today's Pyongyang, while other somewhere in Liao river.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Yeah after fall of King Jun Gojoseon was torn up into pieces from there Weiman rose had ounced Jun which fled to south and established Jin state of korea. Weiman had announced it captial pyongyang. and you have to know that Weiman was an exiled from Zhou State of Yan. which later expanded from Hebei to current Liaodong. under General Qin kai which successfully overthrown the so called Donghu the Xianbei. Han crush Weiman cause Han felt scared with ties between Han and Jin were blocked
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
That's why many states came out. There's still no or enough evidence that Weiman's capital is today's Pyongyang. BTW, Weiman was a person from Yan, true but there's no evidence of Zhou in Gojoseon. No Han attacked Weiman Joseon because he killed a Han general and he sent She He (涉何) and She He killed Gojoseon general.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 No not Zhou thou.Zhou was not into Gojoseon but it was at later stage when Zhou's state of Yan stretching from Shannxi to Liaodong further north to rid off Dongyi people. yet to know perhaps when during incident such interrelationship between xianbei and late Zhou. it was reported that the last emperor of Yan state was a goruyeo when goruyeo revolted and since then it was known that people in china bear the surname of Gao last emperor of yan to be a gojoseon
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
I don't know about Yan state that much, but Yan ruled pretty much in Hebei area, not Liaodong, because "Liao river" refers to Luan River area 滦河 back then. Remember Liao river means "Far River" in Hanzi.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Yan had expanded into liaodong. your claims on korean artifacts was probably known at the later Yan when ruler of Yan was a korean
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
I don't think Yan even expanded in Liaodong because Gojoseon holded Liaodong until Han invasion. Yan reached Luan river where that's northern Hebei today, never liaodong which is a misconception.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Yan indeed expanded into Liaodong from hubei it was also clearly written in records too. Gojoseon described Xianbei as cruel when chinese commander also reported of Gojoseon being a larger than it thought that was advance enough to wage war with Yan state. gojoseon lost its state over 5000li. after rise of Qin Yan state was a large state to conqueror. Yan sent assisnation of Qin shi wang but lost and Qin cruched Yan taking over Liaodong from then then Han expanded more
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
If you don't believe, theres no archeloegical evidences for this in Liaodong. Can you prove it?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i havent been looking to find it but to find such ancient history claims in an area which was over runed by Gojoseon,Zhou,Qin,Han and goruyeo back till as far as till shangdong i would say that its scarce.but just to let ancient Scripts or ancient scholars which wrote to jig puzzle the mystery.such claims on liaodong from Yan till backfire of Yan from Qin and till expansion of pyongyang is clearly written with claims of surname and ancient rulers that describes.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
But archeloegical evidence counts more than a historical description written by an enemy (Han Chinese), it proves more! Shandong was originally a Dong-yi land and according to evidence, the Dolmens in Shandong is very identical to ones in Korean peninsula and Liaodong. Pyongyang today is different from Gojoseon ones, maybe Pyongyang (Flat land) can be in Liao He right?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Dolmens might be or not be from older Yan period as mentioned by ancient historian that again is a vague assumption. but true to say that liaodong was a period when is within gojoseon.as for shangdong at when early Zhou period it state was Qi stretching from Shangdong to shanghai. i wont say that there are no "korean" influences but remains of korean artifacts found could be from later Koruyeo.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Shangdong did asimilate into Zhou, no problem with that, this is from Evdience. We are talking about a gap between pre-history and start of civilization (Gojoseon).
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i didnt know much about Gojoseon but its history is scarce yes it might known that Gojoseon started early. but establishment from shang to Zhou was somewhere at thoese time line.From 1500/1600 BC? early records were of mythical age according to Dangun's from San guo ku Shi? it was said that the longshan cultures were long been at shangdong. dongyi people were also found to be assimilated there but at later stage and during later longshan era Gojoseon was then born
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Gojoseon probably started around 3000 BC or less because artifacts like mandolin and dolmens suggest around late 2000 BC era. The myth is of Dangun, maybe the date but the date and artifacts of carbon dating suggest around 2333 BC date which is correct. Longshan culture and specify Dwankou culture has dolmens that date around same time as Korean peninsula, Liaodong and Manchuria, this suggest a connection. And Yes, Shandong is birthplace of Oracle bones.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 But korean first culture was found to be at todays south korea? it may be proto "korean" which later have migrated from there. but to be mindful that there were earlier cultures which evolves at liaodong and shangdong at even earlier age suggested @ 3000BC hongshan. your suggest would be at round 2000BC which is true when influx of Dongyi people during Xia-Shang.some suggest disappearance of madolin daggers at liaodong corresponds to Yan war and a slender type emerge at Jin (SK)
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
The mandolin daggers appeared heavily just outside of Great Wall, there were few found in Hebei and near Shandong too. Like I said Yan's border was around Luan river, which is right near of today's Great Wall. This already disproves your point that Yan conquered Liaodong, Liaodong means Far East and at that time, Luan river was borderline or "Far East" of Dong-yi people (Foreginers). BTW, Yan state was probably Dong-yi state which was influenced by Chinese culture, that's it.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Qin's Wall was built to fortified from liaodong till western china. yes as said by shijin was not clear of as mentioned liaodong or liaoxi.but when historical events like Qin taking over Yan which also possessed the exact location which Yan's territory was (area to be liaodong) and findings from korean also said that events of Yan could also connect to madolin dagger's dissapperances to. is just a vague argument here but coincidentially events as such mentioned coincides
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Is there proof of Qin wall in today's Liaodong? NOPE. Sorry, but Liaodong was in Luan river like state of Yan. Prove to me that it exist in today's Liaodong, I laugh at you and can't read Hanzi?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 lol Qin's wall has always been shown in both western media and chinese at the location of liaodong, not sure about korean thou which i wonder why... but am not jumping conclusion yet i have also read on korean's side of story about having chinese goverment making up stories and such.or vice versa. i'll like to visit china and even north korea someday, yes i agree i have to learn Hanzi and i urge you to learn ways of being polite and not rude, friend
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Are you sure? because the Liaodong wall doesn't look anything like Qin wall. Does it? Chinese gov't is too much unbelievable since they love to post propaganda and other crap.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 am not a historian here but it certain looks old and most of its pictured structures were being chipped off. i think chinese goverment having visitors to ancient wall like this and even palaces is a ripped off !! cause they only know how to engrave their names on it which harms the heritage. i dont know how bad the goverment is but to visit china and to understand the goverment is then one can relates to comments. have you been a trip to China? and NK?
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Yes, Chinese gov't are not good at taking care of their relics, which is a big problem nowadays. You can't even see Han dynasty buildings anymore, and Qin too. This will be much harder to interpret history, if the historic relics are being rotten away. I think NK does a better job though which is hard to believe.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 if only todays NK is off from communist rule then both korean and chinese would be able to find more prove?i got no idea of pyongyang would be at liaoHe.unless Qin dynasty's claim over Yan state is not proven. but i am not jumping conclusion that it may not be. i wont regard our conversation here as a challange or to post any undesirable argument thou it may sounds abit "Mean" but this is just a matter of how well individual of us treasured we eastern people histories.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
If Nk could let South Korea archelogists to investigate, then it would solve the problem if Han commanderies did in fact were placed in today's Korean peninsula. If we don't find any trace of Han commanderies, then this alone disproves the claim also with historical evidence because Liao He was birthplace of Gojoseon, by artifacts and historical references.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Liaodong (遼東)" in early Chinese records (before China annexed the present day Liaodong peninsula by defeating Goguryeo in 668 A.D.) do not mean the present day Liaoding peninsula, the region to the east of the present day Liaohe River (遼河) as a proper pronoun. Instead, Liaodong in the context means the far eastern region of China at the time the term Liaodong was defined."
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i have also started to find North korea interesting. Han did cruch weiman but not captured thats why Goruyeo was still at large when they Han setted up commandery at lelang at north korea. Great wall of Han was builted stretching from Pyongyang till west of Han. after fall of Han at lelang Han's coinage still flourished at Pyongyang trades still resume. korean history cannot deny that they were not being influnced by "china" from Arts,beliefs,Food till writings
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Like I said, Lelang and other 3 commanderies are controversile since the archeogical proofs doesn't fit with Chinese description. I don't know about any "Han" wall but there was no wall strenched Pyongyang. This is just a fabrication made by CCP. We had currency during Gojoseon with Yan state, not Han. What do you mean influenced?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 as an overseas chinese as i am getting very very interested in all mongoloid history as its so connected which one cannot deny. one have to study mongolian,korean history to understand chinese history. and it looks like i have to visit north korea someday !!
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
"Ancient Chinese records refer to conquest of "Liaodong" (遼東; literally meaning "Far East") by Qin Kai. Some modern historians rashly jumped to the conclusion that the Chinese conquered the present day Liaodong region to the east of the present day Liaohe River (遼河). This is a mistake caused by assuming the name of the region stays the same throughout centuries when the name."
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
"Literally, "Liaodong" was not a proper pronoun at that time, and only meant "Far East." The location of "Far East" means the far eastern region of that time, to be measured from where one described the event, before the name "Liaodong" (遼東)" was established as a proper noun. "
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Sure Korea was influenced by China by various degrees like philosophy, writing system, etc.. but Korean kept the tradition for and still it keep today for 5,000 years. Korea also influenced China like minor things like folding fan, foods and herbs like Dajiang and Ginseng, etc...
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i agree to that !
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG 2. The groupd that was known as Jurchen was led by Silla Royal family members and the Jurchen under coltrol of Silla Royal power took Song of Chinese, but got attacked by Yuan.
Hey they are Jin and Qin royalties that proved that they were direct descendants of Silla ryoal family. Why did they do like that if they were from ancestors of Mongol tribe?
Cheon1Son 1 year ago
@Cheon1Son lol Jurchen was led by Wanyan Aguda mongolic script. same as Kithan which uses mongolic script too. ancient korean uses Hanja (Han writings) if Silla took hold of Jurchen to expell Song dynasty why would Goryeo/Buyeo wage war against Liao/Khitan which eventually give rise to Jin (Jurchens)? and why wouldnt Jurchens uses Hanja instead of Mongolic script? and why wont Silla/Goryeo be included in Jin (Jurchen)/Song "s China map?
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
LOL Buyeo didn't exist at that time of Liao. Jin came from Goryeo, fair enough but Jin was seperate just like Goguryeo and Balhae. Jin and Balhae were same people as Jurchens says. Even ex-Balhae people governed Jin dynasty of China with Jin emperors who originated from Goryeo (United Silla).
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Is Buyeo ancestor of balhae? i heard after fall of Goruyeo and a goruyeo general fled and established Balhae and have expanded territories there..i think we are turning circles again Balhae did created a "united ethnic nation" but not same people in relations. thou there would have intermarriages but two different groups still have their own identies as we would still verify from names and origins. donghu people have played important role in north chinese and korean history.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Buyeo is ancestor of Goguryeo, and Goguryeo is ancestor of Balhae. Donghu (Khitan and Xanbei) might have connections with ancient Koreans through blood and even history. Gojoseon had territories in Inner Mongolia too (where Dong-hu originated).
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 yes later kithans or jurchens does play a part in koreans history because of balhae and Fuyi (buyeo). but please be mindful that it was mongolian tribes which are presence in manchuria, a mongolian say that a jurchens/manchus are of more mongolian related because of their name but cultures may have also being adopted from koreans since presence of Balhae and Fuyi. to say that koreans were sushen,manchu,,kithans etc is just being too unfair manchuria still a land of different ethnicities
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
No Khitans and Jurchens also played a part in early stages of Three Kingdoms period like Buyeo and especially Goguryeo and Balhae. There was no such thing as "Mongolian" back then, only Sushen at this time of history and later called "Jurchens". I didn't say Sushen or Manchu was Korean, I said they came from SAME roots as us, which is Gojoseon, ok? Genetic testing proves this that Manchu is closest to all peoples in world, ok? Manchuria with different ethnicities appeared much later
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
I think Gojoseon territories at its height encompasses today's Shandong, Hebei, Manchuria, Korea, and even NW of Kyushu (Japan), because of dolmens found which has Korean styles.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG 3. Ok, let's say you are right about the origin of Qing Royalty. Then why? Why did they claim to be Silla origin and even leave the record that "We are from SILLA not KOGURYEO". Is it because they felt shame to be related with the Mongol tribe? For Jin and Qing royalities, the matter was not to be misunderstood as KOGURYEO descendants ; they stressed that they are SILLA descendants, not Koguryeo descendants.
Cheon1Son 1 year ago
@Cheon1Son Please be mindful that manchuria is a land of many different ethnic groups from Joseon(early accounts),Buyeo,Khitans,Liao, sushen Xianbei,Han and Goruyeo.. yes joseon had established first at southern manchuria but that do not simply means Xianbei,Sushen kithans were the same people. Manchuria is a mixture of Dongyi people and Xiongnu (mongolic). Even when Qin unified there are many different ethnic groups Han was a small group at todays Henan province.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Gojoseon is first civilization in Manchuria, ok. But Gojoseon was divided by many states like Buyeo, Okje, Sushen, etc.. Evidence of Mandolin daggers found in Eastern Manchuria proves that Sushen (later Manchus) were same people/culture as later Koreans. Dong-hu (Xianbei, Khitan) appeared as Gojoseon became weak.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 i'll say Gojoseon,Buyeo balhae are all related to korean history we can never deny that !! but kithans sushen jurchens remains more towards mongolic influenced people.With different ethnicities in manchuria which later got influnced into "china" and created a kithan scripts which is from chinese characters and later turned into jurchens mongolian script. if they are more koreans influence why didnt they used hanja instead? infact koreans were more pro "china" in ancient times
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Sushen was never Mongolic, Jurchens came from Sushen. Khitans and Xanbei came from Dong-hu people which are mongolic people. In your book, the first account is that Sushen was a vassal of Buyeo (Fuyu). Sushen was one of the people that came from Gojoseon. They even celebrate Dangun and the Baekdusan mountain as their origin. Dong-hu might came from Gojoseon but further studies has to be made without Chinese distortion!!!!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Yours right about shushen which actually came from Shangdong. but early accounts from chinese text of donghu is not koreans but the toba people of mongolia they had travelled and resides in many of modern zhou hebei,shannxi and gansu. till ask far as sushen as jurchens thats why they had adopted more mongolian names than koreans being more Hanja related.
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Sure Dong-hu might not be Gojoseon but Dong-hu appeared in 7th century BC. This is a breakup of Gojoseon territories, Gojoseon was becoming weaker and weaker. Gojoseon (bronze age) artifacts had been found in Inner mongolia and Liaodong, this means that they were seperated from Gojoseon just like Buyeo or Sushen was!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
problem is that the Chinese government only show propaganda cultures of the Manchu : girls with fake smils in splendid dress dance and sing very happily on the Chinese government run TV.
Their true traditional cultures still look almost the same to modern Korea. If you want to learn about the true Manchu, you should meet true Qing descendants, not fake ones brainwashed by the Chinese government.
Cheon1Son 1 year ago
@Cheon1Son History has nothing to do with goverment policies.but from a number of historians and scholars which takes pride to take each ancient scripts that relates to us on how our ancestors had lived and to tell how they evolved. if goverment do plays part in todays history wont the ancient civilised Persian empire back fire the importance of freeing the isreals in ancient Persian empire?
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@Cheon1Son , stop lying. NO one wants to be a gook. Gooks very super small slanted slit eyes, big heads, big wide flat faces, and big flat noses. Stop embarrassing yourself. GOoks are subhuman looking and 20% of gooky DNA is not identifiiable due to the mixing of gooks with "the missing link" giving gooks ape like features.
RealDetectives2010 1 year ago
@RealDetectives2010 its kinda funny you say that knowing the Turks are the blacks/Hispanics of Europe. kinda sux to be the bottom feeders......yea....I'd keep my mouth shut kid.
bumhokim 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
LOL Jurchens are mongolic tribe? They were tungusic people like Koreans and btw, Jurchens also paid tributes to us saying how they were related to us. It's all recorded in YOUR and MY books! Liao was defeated by Goryeo, but Song has to pay tributes to them. Goryeo never attacked Jin only in early stages of Jin. Jin preposed peace as "brothers". Only Mongol allied with Song defeated Jin dynasty just like how Tang ally with Silla to defeat Goguryeo.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 your back ! lol yes jurchens are more of mongolic tribes related Jurchens names ie aguda is definately not korean but is somehow mongolic influnced. Kithans like Yelu abaoji is also among the mongolic type names. none of these are actually related to korea. but yes at korean's history Balhae did created a multi ethnic group nation.but is still two seperated different people. Liao defeated balhae and claimed back it land and since then goryeo created peace treaties with Liao
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Can you prove that Jurchens are Mongolic tribes? BTW, Balhae included ex-Goguryeo people and Mohe people. The same for Jin dynasty. Goryeo never had peace treaty with Liao, Liao was defeated and they were forced to pull out of the campaign. Refer Goryeo-Liao wars, please.
Hanul91 1 year ago
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hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Can you give me a reference to Goguryeo accepting Han people? BTW If NK has more "chinese influence" than SK, than they should use some Hanja, not 100% Hangul. LOL
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 thou Han migration to Goruyeo is not massive but it was accentuated cause Koruyeo has immense historical relation in chinese history because of Wilman and Gojosen who had traded with State of Qi (Shanghai) it was told that b4 Han/Koruyeo war. Koruyeo also in ties with Han but Koruyeo soon cut Jin(SK) from Han and Han was scared but to go war with Koruyeo. during era b4 and after, Hans migrated by acceptance of Wilman thus can predict "Cai=Chae",Song,Lee,Wang was used in korea
hopkinWFG 1 year ago
@hopkinWFG
Actually, Wiman came from state of Yan, but Gojoseon traded with both states: Qi and Yan. Goguryeo didn't have war with Han, Goguryeo with Buyeo conquered the lands in Manchuria. I don't doubt that some Hans emigrated to Gojoseon and adopted Sino-names. Some came, but many adopted those names.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@tumokbee
I don't know what you mean by central bank?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@tumokbee
Korea already made this deal and its ending soon like 2012 I think.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@tumokbee
LOL go read your history books. Koreans originated from 古朝鮮, first civilization in NE asia from Liao basin.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@tumokbee
According to per capita, Korea is richer than China.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@tumokbee
LOL Korea said to stay. More people involved against NK-China alliance, then China is screwed.
Hanul91 1 year ago
For China, the ancient Korea is not worth mentioning.
aaa1162 1 year ago
Korea was only country in Asia to wear heavy body armour.
mekon11 1 year ago 4
What can you expect from Korean "historians"?
Hanueberalles 1 year ago
@ people trying to reason with Cheon1Son's vids... guys just give it up. Pretty much all of this dude's videos is about how great korea is and along the way diminish other cultures like the chinese. Just laugh it off, because no one believes this crap except for nationalists anyway. Korea is a wonderful country with a cool culture, but this shit is just stupid. Folks like this give korea a bad name.
Personally I enjoyed this. It was hilarious LOL... cheers :)
moguy128 1 year ago
I just don't understand why when all the world recognize the chinese culture as the historical dominate one,korea is still trying to hide the truth?Now S.Korea is rich than China,is that not enough?You all guys who are the yellow learned chinese culture and words,everybody knows it,why korea wants to deny?
XXXXXXYYY1 1 year ago
Sui and Tang are korean related people from 5 tribe and 16 nations.
MrKevinso 2 years ago
Lots of laugh. Stop telling lies. Koreans are most hated in the world due to koreans inferior complex. Why koreans claiming Some chinese tribes are korean, japanese are korean, siberians are koreans, british people are korean, turkish people are korean, Mongolian turks are korean, North and south american indians are koreans. Absolutely lies and was proven. Why koreans are shamelss??????
Themeankitty34 1 year ago
Please speak when there is proof . Everything is say is from your masturbating fanstasy. No other asians want to be a gooktard.
Themeankitty34 1 year ago
Learn about the path of human expansion out of East Africa dumb ass. Go check out the summer issue of national geographic. This magazine requires review by world wide scientists and not koreans own version of stories.
Themeankitty34 1 year ago
korea must admit that china raped you 1000 years. now you want steal land and histroy from china but N korea is still under china. this time china will let N korea fuck you ugly big mouth
hxw19850815 2 years ago
@hxw19850815 LOL, PLEASEEEEE. China NEVER raped Korea. The Ming never invaded Joseon, the Song never laid a FINGER on Goryeo, and the Tang were forced to withdraw in the face of Shilla resistance, not to mention the fact that Goguryeo caused the fall of the Sui. Only the Mongols and Manchus have defeated Korea and penetrated the peninsula, they are FAR from Chinese. It took the Mongols 40 years to have Goryeo merely ask for PEACE, and the dynasty still survived. Song and Jin both perished.
pakmano7 2 years ago 14
@pakmano7 How about the invasion of the Han Dynasty in Go Joseon which cost to it's destruction? It is not the Goguryeo caused the fall of Sui Dynasty, it is their Ambition to annex Goguryeo and subjugate the whole Korean peninsula, which was later on continued by Tang Dynasty with the alliance of Shilla..
lordbaden 1 year ago
@lordbaden
Actually Han dynasty didn't cost total destruction to Gojoseon. The Han dynasty put commanderies in what is now Liaodong region which was part of Korea back then. After Gojoseon, came the three kingdoms era. Goguryeo did cause downfall of Sui becuase it led to bankrupcy.
mekon11 1 year ago 2
TaiGekTou. In America, where there is always focus on "hot" or "upcoming" culture, there will always be one country that will be a focus of attention. I want to see more of us in the limelight—dictating how American culture is shaped in the future.
As for me, I can not live without eating Chinese, Korean, Japanese food. Let's take a same attitude with our history and culture. There is no point in arguing what makes each dish better. Let's pick up the chopstick and dig in!
jaewoosong 2 years ago
This is a very petty and immature argument.
China, Korea, and Japan. We all have great cultures and should be proud of them. I think we should always respect and constantly learn from each other. We also need to work together, and support each other to be taken seriously in the future.
jaewoosong 2 years ago
@jaewoosong I agree, but who the heck takes us seriously anymore? It's all about Japanese culture and anime these days. Some crazy guy once said "Chinese 250 years of history is nothing compared to Japan" and I laugh, then I saw Zhuge Liang's signature robe and hat labeled a kimono samurai silk and I cry.
I don't hate Japanese people or Japan in general, and I try not to use history as a means to justify hate, but these non-Japanese who constantly express Japan superiority is annoying as hell.
TaiGekTou 2 years ago
dai han ming gu
呆憨冥姑
中国人一直把朝鲜族当同胞兄弟看待，不想未招来这些人的尊重，反而个别韩国人见天在各种场合肆意歪曲历史，为自己那个自卑而又不正气的民族yy，试想，你们这样，比日本篡改历史教科书有什么不同？古人云：己所不欲，勿施于人。韩国人很多都认识汉字，认同儒家文化，这点道理不会不懂吧
Seasue 2 years ago
why korean hate chinese?
why korean always hate others?
huaxiastyle 2 years ago
Korean don't hate Chinese. Only hate Chinese fucking Government to work out North Project.
I think Korean people only hate Japanese Right-Party and people. That's all.
SNSDTVgeneration 2 years ago
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Seasue 2 years ago
@huaxiastyle
why do chinese try to assmilate?
why do chinese always invade?
why do chinese always think they are innocent when they've spilt so much blood?
1windfi 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
this vid is a big joke
maomao667 2 years ago
there is no doubt that Korea was always fucked by China in ancient time.
maomao667 2 years ago
常敗之國妄想竊取大民族之榮譽, 中華民族之大歷史豈小國小民可作解？百濟、新羅、高句麗乃中華之後，現之韓人尚無根源之據，已想妄奪三國之始，羞愧也....
siuevan 2 years ago
The first dynasty setted out to rule china was Ching shi wang first emperor of china after warring state among all in today's china and korea well as mongolia Shi wang was from western china of todays Xian.. he builted great wall demarked and announced Chin as his kingdom and set Han tribes among others ie Mongols... under his command he setted hanja which is "chinese" writing as common language. china is a nationality among mongoloid people than a race this video is very discriminative again!!
hopkinWFG 2 years ago
our armour surely is different with china's
we are similar to another altai people(turk) or aryan people(sarmatia, sassanid persia).
it is a proof that korea never were influnced by china
altaitiger 2 years ago