the opposite. to each is there own, but for me i would prefer the person fully express the movement dont create shortcuts to win,sorry luca, im still a fan doe, and yes i have use some of luca form in my form, so its not true when they said you cant teach a dog any new tricks,lol.
good form, and i understand some of the comment by some of my karate-kai but everything serves a purpose. Not saying i totally agree with luca expression of his karate, but i like it for what its worth. if he was to add flowing and power to his kata it would take away from some of the theathrics, what i say is what the seniors say"you can do kata good but can you fight". Simple as that unfortunalety because there is a lot of good kata people out there but they cannot fight and then there is
I like his Kata but Shotokan is supposed to very flowing . strong and flowing ....This man although impressive is far too choppy .... I never saw Kwanku Dai done this way ...It is my favorite Kata since 1973....
@Mirakelmannen No, it's true. He had to exaggerate the techniques. Nekoashi dachi in Shito or Goju is very similar, but in Shotokan it doesn't exist, it is exaggerated.
Anyway, look at the katas that students of soke Yoshimi Inoue do. Specifically Rika Usami. Perhaps Diaz does not have "proper" kihon, but tell me, does Rika Usami has?
Anyway, there might be a difference between, what you claim is proper kihon and competition kihon in kata. But still, you can't say that Diaz is bad. No way.
1. Shotokan does not have "exaggerated" techniques. Valdesi exaggerates look more spectacular, and the judges seem to appreciate that more than proper kihon.
2. Neko ashi dachi does exist in Shotokan.
3. "Proper" kihon is perhaps the most important thing in kata.There should not exist any such thing as "competition kihon in kata". Kihon is kihon. If not, it's not a martial art. You go and enjoy the showmanship of sports-karate, but don't try to pretend it's real karate-do.
Old Shotokan videos are boring. Kata's are a result of kihon techniques lined up but the fun part -thank God- is the bunkai behind it. Yes he has sharp movements and yes he has got controll but he's far from sucking at it... i dare you to do it half as good as him so good look training 15 years hard for it. But noone does an Unsu as good as Junior Lefevre :p Cheers
QUE DIFERENCIA DE KATA, LAS FORMAS DEL TAEKWON DO NO TIENEN NADA QUE HACER CON LAS DE SHOTOKAN,ESTE ESTILO ES MAS ELEGANTE. ME GUSTO LA EJECUCION DE LUCA VALDESI
and this guy won so many championships? his kata sucks, no soul, no fighting spirit in it. but brute force and sharp movements. at some points he stands like a statue. sry to say that,but i don´t like it much ^^
End of the day he is world champion so he is doing something right. P.S what amazes me about a vast majority of expert kata or form people is that they dont fight well or look the way they perform. My theory is he looks good but can he or she use it in a fight or in a tournament, if i lose to that guy then i am really impressed. Whsat we got now is guys coming in at the end of a tournament almost n then fighting, no kata,weapons,self-defense,team kata,breaking nothing. just come in and fight
fluidity and rhtyhm is very important Luca looks like he will take power and form over fluidity. I make mention of this because these combative arts where design with the intention of using less energy to get grater effects. This more so true for a smaller person againsnt somebody larger. Not here to hate on luca because i too have copied some of his stuff but to use as a reference never the less i was inspired by what i saw what i found useful i took, what i made mention of earlier i left.
This will always be the arguement, true be told its not his fault maybe its America fault and the other who cookie cut the art in order to win by any means necessary.
Probably because the japs were kicking our ass so long at there combat art, but the traditional way has all one needs this is for entertaunment on some levels.
I would image he could use some of those moves but other of the moves he did where soley based on physical strength. As far as my understanding of the Art is concern
Its amazing to see so many people complain about Valdesi technique and claim he sucks. Yet these people don't post videos of themselves doing the Kata. Remember, Valdesi is no the one filming himself it is someone else filming him. Im sure if he was Japanese people would see him differently. Why don't you guys post a video of yourself doing "proper technique"? Is it because you are too good for our eyes to see. All of you are pathetic, you cower behind your keyboards and insult your own style.
@shotojojo1986 I agree with almost everything you said here. I agree that maybe they should post videos of them selves, and see the responses that they get. But in the end whether we agree that his technique is good or not he did win. I used this kata as my toqui kata for my Shodan grading. I will admit that it has a long way to go before I will even be close to mastering it. For a tournament or exhibition it's a good kata. But if I was wanting to learn the kata, I would go else where
I actually am more of the traditonal martial artist where tournaments are not the most important thing i like learning the aspects of budo from karate and the way of self defense. I dnt like this sports style where the moves are cut and slowed and sped up in the wrong places. To the typical vision this is seen as impressive his speed is amazing but overall i dnt like his execution of the kata.
Hi. I just wanted to ask, if somebody knows, what´s the name of the belts that Luca wears(the red one and the blue one) on competitions. I know that´s Adidas but if I want to buy it I need to be more concrete ;-) Can somebody help me with that? Thanks.
Sorry...The thing about Kata is doing it in slow speed you lose balance...Doing kata fast you sometimes lose technique.I personally think this guy is very very sharp but is trying to much and to fast which is losing him his technique.I can imagine in training when he is not in competition his techniques would be sharp and very outstanding.
People on here are idiots. They know for a fact they couldnt move at that speed and envy him for it. Valdesi is good not just for showmanship but bunkai too. Just because we all move differently doesnt mean it is not effective. Valdesi is the best Kata practitioner next to Michael Milone.
Very pretty but i'd put money down that he doesn't know the bunkai (meaning) behind all of it. Flashy moves and may i say unnecessary hand movements, especially during kake Uche, utterly redundant. Also, he's moving before he looks - without the look, you don't know the opponent is there. I don't remember kanku-dai being a psychic kata. Great skill - applied for all the wrong reasons.
if you stick with tradition as medioeval people you will never recognize excellence.
The matter is, karate is a continuous reach for excellence, as the same Funakoshi sensei said. Some of the techniques as performed in the past led alot of martial artists to serious injuries, some others were less effective...which led to studies and CHANGES.Better results, less problems. It's called evolution. Wake up!
true... shuto uke looks definitely not good. the wrist looks bad. should be straight. But overall: very contolled and accurate movements. can almost feel the power :D
I'm glad to know that there are others who see the forest for the trees. It makes me wonder what the point of competition is all about when this kind of stuff is recognized as excellence. I'm being as kind as I can (I could use harsher language).
Tournament kata is concerned on how the performance looks to the spectator, such as on the vid. If you want to win tournaments, copy this performer. However, real kata focuses on clarity and effectiveness of the techniques as well as its relationship to actual fighting. The beauty of real dojo kata comes from within, emulating from the performer's legitimate fighting spirit. I prefer real dojo kata. Even a boxer's shadow boxing, working hard on technique, is more beautiful to me than this.
I think what most commentators here are missing is that this performance WAS FOR SHOW. He's in a tournament. Tournament karate and karate-do are separate arts and should be treated as such.
His form is 'pretty', so to speak, for the novice, however, the fact that he is snapping the elbows at the intiation of the ttechniques instead of at the end, means that there is no 'kime' and therefore technically incorrect.
The performance (actually, kata can be perceived as a 'threat') by Tsuchiya is one that I have been inspired by many times. It's quite fast, but also demonstrates a more suitable atmosphere during the kata. This is unlike Valdesi, who moves quickly -- too quickly.
This is just my observation, I am in no way claiming any of this is 'correct'.
In all fairness,i have sen better katas from Luca Valdesi,and although this one is very well structured, katas like Unsu and Gankaku suit him considerably better-i noticed a slight wobble on a couple of moves,which suggests that his balance isnt near perfect on all katas, but it is a brilliant performance nonetheless:)
Thats not kata as much as it's plain choreography. It's preformance art rather than martial art; showmanship rather than karate do. It's pointless. The kihon is all but lost because of the rushed speed. Also, a kata should flow, while this starts and stops and looks embarrasingly theatrical. Though superficially, it seems impressive enough -and that seems to be the main idea here.
It seems to me that Valdesi presents karate as a sport, intended to impress judges and audiences at competition.
At that level he clearly excels; however, I worry about the damage this might do to traditional Shotokan.
There are plenty of young karateka who look to Valdesi as their role model. I have no problem with that per se but I suggest they look to traditional masters (e.g. Nakayama, Enoeda, Kanazawa) and their students for correct Shotokan.
a) I think that it's not wrong to have a healthy sportsman as a role model, so in that point of view, Valdessi is a great example to young karate students (Hey, at least he's not some glorified gangsta from MTV) b) As all ancient martial arts, Traditional Shotokan it's already deteriorated because of time. The real damage its precisely seeing it as inamovible and over strict. Kanazawa itself achieved his mastery by getting away from traditional Shotokan and training in Tai Chi.
In the other hand, we have the sad example of michael milon: Excelent at Sport Kata, but poorly mind trained. Maybe the rigth zen answer is "whats the objetive of karate?"
@Mirakelmannen Why do people like you criticize such a good athlete. He moves as fast as he can, with power and speed. Thats the whole point of fighting to show the judges( who are shodans in the 4 major styles of Karate do) that you are moving at your full capacity. I know for a fact WKF has produced good karate do but alot of you sensei's cant move like them. So you do everything in your power to bitch at them at the side lines. SHOW US A VIDEO AND PROVE YOUR BETTER OR SHUT UP!
CARA... esse katá é lindo demais, e esse atleta merece ser reconhecido pela fibra,ele é travado,com kimê,e todos os rikis possivél.. oss!!!!! parabens!!!!!!!
Speed is hiding the flaws. His technique is short, I don't see alot of hip rotation, but extraneous movement with his hands. It's like he's going from one pose to another. Everything looks right at the end, and he gets there really, really fast. Athletically it's amazing, but technically, I far prefer Osaka Sensei's performance of Kankudai on youtube.
I must admit he is really fast. Faster and sharper than anyone I know. But he is making a show out of the kata and that is not right. I know that you can practice a kata many ways and express yourself through it, but if the massage is "look I am the best and I can do everything my way", then it's wrong, because a karateka should be humble. I have precticed with many famous senseis in my life and none of them expressed such attitudes though their kata. Anyway, a very good performance.
Luca is said to be thebest because he has the resources to get into all the top tournaments around the world. There are alot better kata practitioners out there that are truer to their syle than he is. He's very good,but not the best in the world by any means.
Outstanding from an athletic point of view, but far from traditional shotokan. I think this is the feedback that most people are providing and I agree with them.
This is not martial arts. This is a performance with no budo, no proper kime, no correct zanshin, no perceivable hip rotation and many of the moves are just incorrect from a traditional point of view.
I could not come near to the speed this is performed and my opinion and comments arise from over 25 years of karate training.
certainly not the best kanku dai i've seen (not seamless and all movements were not executed as part of a whole) but, imo, 25 years of practicing is not testament alone that you "know" what traditional shotokan should look like.
@sehnsucht77 I have trained in traditional shotokan karate for 25 years with some of the best instrutors in the world, I have represented my university and my country at international level (although more than 20 years ago), I am a qualified international judge. I see a role for such tournaments and competitors but it is so far removed from the traditions. I continue to train in Japan in traditional karate and will continue for another 25 years hopefully!
@johnbsan: it is good that you see the value in upholding tradition. kudos to you. i just wish that more schools were more rigid in their technical standards for traditional kata, especially in shotokan.
why have you stopped competing?
you mentioned that you currently train in Japan. Tokyo? I train under the JKA and have done so for the same length of time you have.
positive: -absolutelly control of force -he is really fast - sharp movements
negative: -he sucks -´cause he won a lot of competitions all sensei around the world are copying his "techniques" as standards - completely fail in executing basic techniques such as "shuto uke"
watch valdesi´s videos as entertainment, for real training better see the old shotokan videos on youtube
@verrina2010 It is Shotokan! It looks like that. There is nothing wrong with his kihon. I have practiced a few different styles, so I understand the subtle differences better. My favorite is Shito ryu (Goju is close to it), because it's full of detailes, and it just feels right (to me). On the other hand, Wado is difficult, because it has all these short techniques and movements in which you have to twist around your axis; it's quite strange, and not really simple. But Luca IS good. Jelaous?
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ha ha ha. bad kata. show-off karate style. the judges are as incompetent as the competitors themselves. World Champion... Sure: my mom also told me I'm her champion! ha ha
The man is putting his heart, soul and spirit into his karate. Is that not what it is all about ? Imbeciles ! The man is carrying on the tradition karate kata_Thank you Luca, the year is 2009.
im impressed for a guy using his gi (kimono) to produce sound and make him look fierce..... woooo good job! i wasn't expecting something like that coz' i know how to do it too you know... im a black belt 4th dan so believe it or not.... hes good
There is no life in his katas! I´m sorry but that´s fact! He is just going through it but he is not fighting like he should do. Kata is (beside some other things of course) fight! Imagine people who are watching a person doing his kata and having no clue what he is doing: They must feels something! After seeing it they must not understand what the person just did but they should be able to say that it was breathtaking that it was hearttouching. ...
absolutely right... it sucked... this was show karate... and his shuto uke were completely wrong... italians are known to be top at sound-karate.. well and that's what it looks like...
OMG!!! You two should pull your head out of your but! Stop being jelaus - This man has won the world championship in kata three times!!!! That is something everyone hopes to achieve. What have you accomplished? Hm?
como já mencionei antes o valdesi é um execelente atleta,quando se trata de kata ele é fantastico, porem este kanku dai ele executa com muita tecnica ficou simplesmente incrivel muito bom oss
the elbow strikes are clearly part of the kata that is obvious,but the rest of the slapping is not,nor is the flailing arms,fake kime,pausing for effect,its totaly counter productive and done to impress people who have no understanding of kata like you.
I agree, while I am sure he is an excellent Karate-Ka in the dojo, I am also sure, and this is common now it seems, that most Kata performed in competition are literally that, a performance. The slow deliberate moves are drawn out, much crispy Gi noise, very artistic and dance like - unlike watching a senior Japanese instructors kata. I will also say that this seems to be what you do to win - and he wins a lot, so kudos on his success!
Is very easy to talk bad about anybody or anything.Talk is cheap. If you train just for tradition is one thing, but if you go to a tournament you have to perform your best. He is one of the best, like many other that work hard and talk less.I train in Traditional Shotokan and I don't see anything wrong on his kata.
About JKA...the JKA stay in the JKS and the JKS stay in the WKF. The JKA athletes every years compete in the JKS championship for entry in the National Team for the WKF championships...but in the kata male individual the Japan champion is Katada of Shito Kai....but the world champion is Mr Valdesi...these are the facts.
terrible performance of kanku dai. he flicks his elbows out before every move and on every kata that he performs. he makes his stances extra long to make the kata look flashier. he also slaps his gi and makes stupid noises to fool people into thinking he has kime. very poor!!
I accept that there can be small differences from school to school and that sometimes the katas are slightly altered for competition, but take a close look at his movements and you'll see he's striking his own body to produce kime sounds. For show that is acceptable because is more impressive. The question is if katas are the essence of karate... is karate merely a show?
there is the kata practised in the dojo. Then we slightly alter it for competition (that is perfectly acceptable) and then we slightly alter it for bunkai practise (perfectly acceptable - or required for that matter)
Good stances etc, but it seems to me that he is striking his own body to produce "Kime sounds", and he has altered the timing of the kata for his own dramatic effect.
There is nothing wrong with changing the timing slightly for competition. His dojo kata is more on track with the regular timing.
That said, no one can say there is an official timing, or even official technique for any shotokan kata. Modern kankudai resembles nothing of its original 'kusunku' form
I have a couple of them as i'm a big fan of Nakayama. I have his video demonstrating every shotokan kata. But JKA only has these in place for their own tournaments. So it doesnt apply elsewhere. Besides, they're by no means authorities on shotokan kata as a whole. They have changed the kata enormously themselves, so have no right to expect others to conform to them. With respect, anthony
As for my grade, i could say anything because its the net, so you would unlikely beleive me, so i wont bother.
But to say only children and beginners would be immpressed by this? Training hours a day, phenominal stances, outstanding speed...these things are not impressive? Just because he alters it slightly for a non JKA tournament! I imagine if he competed in a JKA tournament, he would adjust it back and dominate because no one there has his ability
My point was kankudai looks nothing like the original Kusanku. By the time it got to Funakoshi, it had changed enormously. Then Funakoshi changed it enormously (taking out moves, altering techniques, even giving it a Japanese name). And you cant say its still identical even to how Funakoshi taught it. So if it has been constantly changed over the years, the JKA cant get too upset if someone alters it slightly for a non-JKA tournament.
too many extra movements....
klikspon 16 hours ago
oh fu*k...!!!!
i can't do that...!!!!
Jaerier07 1 month ago
That's what happens when you eat way too much pizza, your kata gets fast and sloppy!
Adgang123 2 months ago
the opposite. to each is there own, but for me i would prefer the person fully express the movement dont create shortcuts to win,sorry luca, im still a fan doe, and yes i have use some of luca form in my form, so its not true when they said you cant teach a dog any new tricks,lol.
thugnast 3 months ago
good form, and i understand some of the comment by some of my karate-kai but everything serves a purpose. Not saying i totally agree with luca expression of his karate, but i like it for what its worth. if he was to add flowing and power to his kata it would take away from some of the theathrics, what i say is what the seniors say"you can do kata good but can you fight". Simple as that unfortunalety because there is a lot of good kata people out there but they cannot fight and then there is
thugnast 3 months ago
I like his Kata but Shotokan is supposed to very flowing . strong and flowing ....This man although impressive is far too choppy .... I never saw Kwanku Dai done this way ...It is my favorite Kata since 1973....
klekota57 3 months ago
Look at all the...."experts"....in here....just looky. EVERYONE on You Tube shares the perfect critique.
Lionsblood 5 months ago
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Mirakelmannen 7 months ago
@Mirakelmannen No, it's true. He had to exaggerate the techniques. Nekoashi dachi in Shito or Goju is very similar, but in Shotokan it doesn't exist, it is exaggerated.
Anyway, look at the katas that students of soke Yoshimi Inoue do. Specifically Rika Usami. Perhaps Diaz does not have "proper" kihon, but tell me, does Rika Usami has?
Anyway, there might be a difference between, what you claim is proper kihon and competition kihon in kata. But still, you can't say that Diaz is bad. No way.
stakleni00 7 months ago
@stakleni00
1. Shotokan does not have "exaggerated" techniques. Valdesi exaggerates look more spectacular, and the judges seem to appreciate that more than proper kihon.
2. Neko ashi dachi does exist in Shotokan.
3. "Proper" kihon is perhaps the most important thing in kata.There should not exist any such thing as "competition kihon in kata". Kihon is kihon. If not, it's not a martial art. You go and enjoy the showmanship of sports-karate, but don't try to pretend it's real karate-do.
Mirakelmannen 7 months ago
A good actor, but not as good as Brad Pitt
Luigibett 8 months ago
Old Shotokan videos are boring. Kata's are a result of kihon techniques lined up but the fun part -thank God- is the bunkai behind it. Yes he has sharp movements and yes he has got controll but he's far from sucking at it... i dare you to do it half as good as him so good look training 15 years hard for it. But noone does an Unsu as good as Junior Lefevre :p Cheers
Cuenca20 8 months ago
Absolute rubbish.
habluehayaco2onn 8 months ago
QUE DIFERENCIA DE KATA, LAS FORMAS DEL TAEKWON DO NO TIENEN NADA QUE HACER CON LAS DE SHOTOKAN,ESTE ESTILO ES MAS ELEGANTE. ME GUSTO LA EJECUCION DE LUCA VALDESI
joseriostec 10 months ago
and this guy won so many championships? his kata sucks, no soul, no fighting spirit in it. but brute force and sharp movements. at some points he stands like a statue. sry to say that,but i don´t like it much ^^
Piroschatz44 10 months ago
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tomchinweze 11 months ago 4
End of the day he is world champion so he is doing something right. P.S what amazes me about a vast majority of expert kata or form people is that they dont fight well or look the way they perform. My theory is he looks good but can he or she use it in a fight or in a tournament, if i lose to that guy then i am really impressed. Whsat we got now is guys coming in at the end of a tournament almost n then fighting, no kata,weapons,self-defense,team kata,breaking nothing. just come in and fight
thugnast 11 months ago
fluidity and rhtyhm is very important Luca looks like he will take power and form over fluidity. I make mention of this because these combative arts where design with the intention of using less energy to get grater effects. This more so true for a smaller person againsnt somebody larger. Not here to hate on luca because i too have copied some of his stuff but to use as a reference never the less i was inspired by what i saw what i found useful i took, what i made mention of earlier i left.
thugnast 11 months ago
This will always be the arguement, true be told its not his fault maybe its America fault and the other who cookie cut the art in order to win by any means necessary.
Probably because the japs were kicking our ass so long at there combat art, but the traditional way has all one needs this is for entertaunment on some levels.
I would image he could use some of those moves but other of the moves he did where soley based on physical strength. As far as my understanding of the Art is concern
thugnast 11 months ago
bravissimoo
cristina3615 11 months ago
Its amazing to see so many people complain about Valdesi technique and claim he sucks. Yet these people don't post videos of themselves doing the Kata. Remember, Valdesi is no the one filming himself it is someone else filming him. Im sure if he was Japanese people would see him differently. Why don't you guys post a video of yourself doing "proper technique"? Is it because you are too good for our eyes to see. All of you are pathetic, you cower behind your keyboards and insult your own style.
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
@shotojojo1986 I agree with almost everything you said here. I agree that maybe they should post videos of them selves, and see the responses that they get. But in the end whether we agree that his technique is good or not he did win. I used this kata as my toqui kata for my Shodan grading. I will admit that it has a long way to go before I will even be close to mastering it. For a tournament or exhibition it's a good kata. But if I was wanting to learn the kata, I would go else where
chimchim22 10 months ago
I actually am more of the traditonal martial artist where tournaments are not the most important thing i like learning the aspects of budo from karate and the way of self defense. I dnt like this sports style where the moves are cut and slowed and sped up in the wrong places. To the typical vision this is seen as impressive his speed is amazing but overall i dnt like his execution of the kata.
Coldshadow25 1 year ago
very good but im aware that the strings in a gi should remain hidden
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
Hi. I just wanted to ask, if somebody knows, what´s the name of the belts that Luca wears(the red one and the blue one) on competitions. I know that´s Adidas but if I want to buy it I need to be more concrete ;-) Can somebody help me with that? Thanks.
ApocalypseCZS 1 year ago
Sorry...The thing about Kata is doing it in slow speed you lose balance...Doing kata fast you sometimes lose technique.I personally think this guy is very very sharp but is trying to much and to fast which is losing him his technique.I can imagine in training when he is not in competition his techniques would be sharp and very outstanding.
jason41760 1 year ago
Great focus but whats with the Shuto Uke anyone else notice them.
Sorry for being critical.Take a good close look at them shuto uke's.Other than that he is damn good.
jason41760 1 year ago
well done
sweetashraf 1 year ago
Far from being his best kata.
Larloch80 1 year ago
People on here are idiots. They know for a fact they couldnt move at that speed and envy him for it. Valdesi is good not just for showmanship but bunkai too. Just because we all move differently doesnt mean it is not effective. Valdesi is the best Kata practitioner next to Michael Milone.
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
LUCA #1 kannnku daiiiiiiiii :D
aliswaidan89 1 year ago
Very pretty but i'd put money down that he doesn't know the bunkai (meaning) behind all of it. Flashy moves and may i say unnecessary hand movements, especially during kake Uche, utterly redundant. Also, he's moving before he looks - without the look, you don't know the opponent is there. I don't remember kanku-dai being a psychic kata. Great skill - applied for all the wrong reasons.
ickleoli 1 year ago
@ickleoli how much would u bet? i take it
LaLobaGitana 1 year ago
Cool!押忍！！
Fuckin0310Shio 1 year ago
if you stick with tradition as medioeval people you will never recognize excellence.
The matter is, karate is a continuous reach for excellence, as the same Funakoshi sensei said. Some of the techniques as performed in the past led alot of martial artists to serious injuries, some others were less effective...which led to studies and CHANGES.Better results, less problems. It's called evolution. Wake up!
LaLobaGitana 1 year ago
true... shuto uke looks definitely not good. the wrist looks bad. should be straight. But overall: very contolled and accurate movements. can almost feel the power :D
Scowl88 1 year ago
I'm glad to know that there are others who see the forest for the trees. It makes me wonder what the point of competition is all about when this kind of stuff is recognized as excellence. I'm being as kind as I can (I could use harsher language).
StillWater0477 1 year ago
aiyah! aiyah! KIAI??????
takeshimiyagi 1 year ago
This is the sign of the times. Jerking off like this is what ppl consider art.
osensei2987 1 year ago
I THE KATA WAS VERY GOOD
lilwen3 1 year ago
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JustinQuiksilver 1 year ago
A lot of air, no wind.
stefandetrez 1 year ago
Tournament kata is concerned on how the performance looks to the spectator, such as on the vid. If you want to win tournaments, copy this performer. However, real kata focuses on clarity and effectiveness of the techniques as well as its relationship to actual fighting. The beauty of real dojo kata comes from within, emulating from the performer's legitimate fighting spirit. I prefer real dojo kata. Even a boxer's shadow boxing, working hard on technique, is more beautiful to me than this.
Bassai 1 year ago
Sucks.
No soul. No spirit to the kata.
Kinghercules 1 year ago 3
I think what most commentators here are missing is that this performance WAS FOR SHOW. He's in a tournament. Tournament karate and karate-do are separate arts and should be treated as such.
MrNickjannini 1 year ago
too fast ....some movement are not complete..
DragonlordXV 1 year ago 4
he kick ur ass dudes
kuhmilch 1 year ago
vai tomar no cu porera!!!! coisa gay do caraio.
zadua1 1 year ago
jairgend jemand lust und laune af bissl cam chat mir ist so öde :(
ChantellYonan65 1 year ago
His form is 'pretty', so to speak, for the novice, however, the fact that he is snapping the elbows at the intiation of the ttechniques instead of at the end, means that there is no 'kime' and therefore technically incorrect.
RHBMSYBEEBYSAB 1 year ago
kata maravilhoso , tenho me espelhado nele, no karate é um dos meus idolos.
(Hugo Gabriel Fundesport-Araraquara Brasil
97airam 2 years ago 2
Why competition kata has changed rythm is that absurd way?
Tsuchiya's katas have by far much more quality
DrSiegal 2 years ago 2
Take a look (search on youtube) on this kata and tell me if you see any differance.
Search: Tsuchiya Kata Demonstration: Sochin
Ersanea 2 years ago
The performance (actually, kata can be perceived as a 'threat') by Tsuchiya is one that I have been inspired by many times. It's quite fast, but also demonstrates a more suitable atmosphere during the kata. This is unlike Valdesi, who moves quickly -- too quickly.
This is just my observation, I am in no way claiming any of this is 'correct'.
y488 2 years ago
flailing arms...
speed, but no power...
hes a lot better then me for sure, but I aspire to do the katas in a slightly different way eventually ;)
Konputer 2 years ago 5
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No Power? THe World Champion, no power? Youre a moron.
Terryhasnopubes 2 years ago
かっちかちｗ
RockHiro7 2 years ago
同感です。
tipitoe 2 years ago
He does tend to flail his arms around quite a bit...
DigiBanks 2 years ago 3
In all fairness,i have sen better katas from Luca Valdesi,and although this one is very well structured, katas like Unsu and Gankaku suit him considerably better-i noticed a slight wobble on a couple of moves,which suggests that his balance isnt near perfect on all katas, but it is a brilliant performance nonetheless:)
musicalkaratekid 2 years ago
He is very good, but he is destroing Shotokan with the way he`s doing kata.
Ersanea 2 years ago 2
Explain yourself
Terryhasnopubes 2 years ago
Thats not kata as much as it's plain choreography. It's preformance art rather than martial art; showmanship rather than karate do. It's pointless. The kihon is all but lost because of the rushed speed. Also, a kata should flow, while this starts and stops and looks embarrasingly theatrical. Though superficially, it seems impressive enough -and that seems to be the main idea here.
Mirakelmannen 2 years ago 44
Yes, I tend to agree with this view.
It seems to me that Valdesi presents karate as a sport, intended to impress judges and audiences at competition.
At that level he clearly excels; however, I worry about the damage this might do to traditional Shotokan.
There are plenty of young karateka who look to Valdesi as their role model. I have no problem with that per se but I suggest they look to traditional masters (e.g. Nakayama, Enoeda, Kanazawa) and their students for correct Shotokan.
Tapiola2007 2 years ago
a) I think that it's not wrong to have a healthy sportsman as a role model, so in that point of view, Valdessi is a great example to young karate students (Hey, at least he's not some glorified gangsta from MTV) b) As all ancient martial arts, Traditional Shotokan it's already deteriorated because of time. The real damage its precisely seeing it as inamovible and over strict. Kanazawa itself achieved his mastery by getting away from traditional Shotokan and training in Tai Chi.
soparamens 1 year ago
In the other hand, we have the sad example of michael milon: Excelent at Sport Kata, but poorly mind trained. Maybe the rigth zen answer is "whats the objetive of karate?"
soparamens 1 year ago
@Mirakelmannen Why do people like you criticize such a good athlete. He moves as fast as he can, with power and speed. Thats the whole point of fighting to show the judges( who are shodans in the 4 major styles of Karate do) that you are moving at your full capacity. I know for a fact WKF has produced good karate do but alot of you sensei's cant move like them. So you do everything in your power to bitch at them at the side lines. SHOW US A VIDEO AND PROVE YOUR BETTER OR SHUT UP!
shotojojo1986 1 year ago
@Mirakelmannen ben jij een hollander???belg???
pampermanneke 3 weeks ago
CARA... esse katá é lindo demais, e esse atleta merece ser reconhecido pela fibra,ele é travado,com kimê,e todos os rikis possivél.. oss!!!!! parabens!!!!!!!
oseashoracio 2 years ago
Speed is hiding the flaws. His technique is short, I don't see alot of hip rotation, but extraneous movement with his hands. It's like he's going from one pose to another. Everything looks right at the end, and he gets there really, really fast. Athletically it's amazing, but technically, I far prefer Osaka Sensei's performance of Kankudai on youtube.
mallardgreen 2 years ago 9
dam hes good! is he luca valdesi?
sams211 2 years ago
I must admit he is really fast. Faster and sharper than anyone I know. But he is making a show out of the kata and that is not right. I know that you can practice a kata many ways and express yourself through it, but if the massage is "look I am the best and I can do everything my way", then it's wrong, because a karateka should be humble. I have precticed with many famous senseis in my life and none of them expressed such attitudes though their kata. Anyway, a very good performance.
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kizamitsuki72 2 years ago
Luca is said to be thebest because he has the resources to get into all the top tournaments around the world. There are alot better kata practitioners out there that are truer to their syle than he is. He's very good,but not the best in the world by any means.
TheKickinj 2 years ago 2
なんだその手刀受けは ての角度見てみろ あとなんなんだその技に入る前の余計な予備動作は？ 型は形が決まればいいってもんじゃないんだぞ？わかってのか？ ほとんどの技を力でまとめやがってもういっぺん白帯から出直せ！へたくそ
lkjflksdfjklasdjf 2 years ago
nice kata except for the extra hand movements and hitting himself
hwnknight740 2 years ago 3
hitting himself? o.o
GuilhermeBlassioli 2 years ago
i didnt like how soft the techniques were but still i couldnt do any better
karateGeorgia94 2 years ago 2
Diferent from kyokushin, bt anyway nice kata and exelent perfomance, OSU!
KankuPitbull 2 years ago
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Perfeito
fernandogondim 2 years ago
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Luca Sucks...my ASS, LUCA IS THE BEST KATA PERFORMER IN THE WORLD, are you guys too stupid to realize that?
Shotokankarateguy 2 years ago
Yeah, these people are drunk or something. That was outstanding.
SunZen 2 years ago
Outstanding from an athletic point of view, but far from traditional shotokan. I think this is the feedback that most people are providing and I agree with them.
This is not martial arts. This is a performance with no budo, no proper kime, no correct zanshin, no perceivable hip rotation and many of the moves are just incorrect from a traditional point of view.
I could not come near to the speed this is performed and my opinion and comments arise from over 25 years of karate training.
johnbsan 2 years ago
certainly not the best kanku dai i've seen (not seamless and all movements were not executed as part of a whole) but, imo, 25 years of practicing is not testament alone that you "know" what traditional shotokan should look like.
sehnsucht77 1 year ago
@sehnsucht77 I have trained in traditional shotokan karate for 25 years with some of the best instrutors in the world, I have represented my university and my country at international level (although more than 20 years ago), I am a qualified international judge. I see a role for such tournaments and competitors but it is so far removed from the traditions. I continue to train in Japan in traditional karate and will continue for another 25 years hopefully!
johnbsan 1 year ago
@johnbsan: it is good that you see the value in upholding tradition. kudos to you. i just wish that more schools were more rigid in their technical standards for traditional kata, especially in shotokan.
why have you stopped competing?
you mentioned that you currently train in Japan. Tokyo? I train under the JKA and have done so for the same length of time you have.
sehnsucht77 1 year ago
positive: -absolutelly control of force -he is really fast - sharp movements
negative: -he sucks -´cause he won a lot of competitions all sensei around the world are copying his "techniques" as standards - completely fail in executing basic techniques such as "shuto uke"
watch valdesi´s videos as entertainment, for real training better see the old shotokan videos on youtube
verrina2010 3 years ago 39
Totally agree, i trained with Kase years ago and mi sensei now is an old.style and maybe he would treat Valdesi like an amateur...
Meltfrac 2 years ago 3
Osu. Although he is still far more skilled than I am.
yoyomuddy 2 years ago
@verrina2010 for me the best sensei of shotokan is Kanazawa, his katas are perfects
Aldebaran80 1 year ago
@verrina2010 It is Shotokan! It looks like that. There is nothing wrong with his kihon. I have practiced a few different styles, so I understand the subtle differences better. My favorite is Shito ryu (Goju is close to it), because it's full of detailes, and it just feels right (to me). On the other hand, Wado is difficult, because it has all these short techniques and movements in which you have to twist around your axis; it's quite strange, and not really simple. But Luca IS good. Jelaous?
stakleni00 7 months ago
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ha ha ha. bad kata. show-off karate style. the judges are as incompetent as the competitors themselves. World Champion... Sure: my mom also told me I'm her champion! ha ha
dumdumdumduuuum 3 years ago
what have you achieved? Luca is considered the best kata competitor in the world, thousands are looking up to him and trying to be as good as he is.
MARAfromBRNO 2 years ago
The man is putting his heart, soul and spirit into his karate. Is that not what it is all about ? Imbeciles ! The man is carrying on the tradition karate kata_Thank you Luca, the year is 2009.
cheouno 3 years ago
im impressed for a guy using his gi (kimono) to produce sound and make him look fierce..... woooo good job! i wasn't expecting something like that coz' i know how to do it too you know... im a black belt 4th dan so believe it or not.... hes good
kelotz07 3 years ago
Luca Valdesi...BAKKA!!!
brasshandmartialarts 3 years ago
I am sorry,if this is the way to do Kata.I would not do Karate do.Kata is an art,beuty,meaning, correct timing e.t.c
EASEDIGEST 3 years ago
DYNAMIC!!!
jAcK254 3 years ago
vuena luca valdesi mi sensei tuvo con luca valdesi en una fotez ta q locazo con la fotex
XxespidixX 3 years ago
he did as fast as he could... ^^"
Simson616 3 years ago
There is no life in his katas! I´m sorry but that´s fact! He is just going through it but he is not fighting like he should do. Kata is (beside some other things of course) fight! Imagine people who are watching a person doing his kata and having no clue what he is doing: They must feels something! After seeing it they must not understand what the person just did but they should be able to say that it was breathtaking that it was hearttouching. ...
Noxilein2008 3 years ago 2
kata is the fight with your shadow
JohnForn 3 years ago
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I think his kata's mostly suck, he doesn't have the true fighting spirit!!
Karatesensei007 3 years ago
absolutely right... it sucked... this was show karate... and his shuto uke were completely wrong... italians are known to be top at sound-karate.. well and that's what it looks like...
sascorp 3 years ago
OMG!!! You two should pull your head out of your but! Stop being jelaus - This man has won the world championship in kata three times!!!! That is something everyone hopes to achieve. What have you accomplished? Hm?
MARAfromBRNO 3 years ago 2
oh? ware you serious? what federation is it? it's probably not JKA or SKIF, is it?
must be WAKO or something like that then... the sporty one...
sascorp 3 years ago
it is WKF. Show us your videos pls, so we can compare you with Valdesi.
MARAfromBRNO 3 years ago
... They should not go away and say that this was a nice performance, a nice ballet. I hope you can understand what I´m trying to say!
Noxilein2008 3 years ago
It's a good dancer, don't you think? lol
likiker13 3 years ago
that was AMAZING
Chewiemewy 3 years ago
I always do this kata on competitons and I always were 1;)
skopoloMC 3 years ago
sto tremando!! fa paura
esce il fuoco da terra quando lui fa 1 kata
lino100x100 3 years ago
como já mencionei antes o valdesi é um execelente atleta,quando se trata de kata ele é fantastico, porem este kanku dai ele executa com muita tecnica ficou simplesmente incrivel muito bom oss
katashotokan 3 years ago
the elbow strikes are clearly part of the kata that is obvious,but the rest of the slapping is not,nor is the flailing arms,fake kime,pausing for effect,its totaly counter productive and done to impress people who have no understanding of kata like you.
hssp900 3 years ago
striking your own gi, to make a kung fu sound effect,truly pathetic.
hssp900 3 years ago
when will people learn. this is COMPETITION KATA! not traditional karate kata. ITS IS A COMEPETITIVE SPORT not a martial art"
get with it people.
BandanaBoy123 3 years ago 3
I agree, while I am sure he is an excellent Karate-Ka in the dojo, I am also sure, and this is common now it seems, that most Kata performed in competition are literally that, a performance. The slow deliberate moves are drawn out, much crispy Gi noise, very artistic and dance like - unlike watching a senior Japanese instructors kata. I will also say that this seems to be what you do to win - and he wins a lot, so kudos on his success!
neilflat 3 years ago
what the f...k is this striking his body to create sounds, and too many extra movement..
Chungliyan 3 years ago
agree, this is good for entertainment for people with no knowledge of shotokan, but not good for competition if you ask me
xskaportx100sx 3 years ago
Its part of the kata, he isn't trying to "make sounds" man whats with you people. If you don't know what kata is then why are you watching
zedosix 3 years ago 3
Is very easy to talk bad about anybody or anything.Talk is cheap. If you train just for tradition is one thing, but if you go to a tournament you have to perform your best. He is one of the best, like many other that work hard and talk less.I train in Traditional Shotokan and I don't see anything wrong on his kata.
monkeywise 3 years ago 5
I imagine those who are critical of Mr. Valdesi have yet to win the world champion.
miguelmstewie 3 years ago
Good for a show, bad as a shotokan kata.
alfamaster 3 years ago
grande luca!!!nessuno sarà mai come te!... valdesi 4ever!!!!
Andryoko91 3 years ago
i agree his shuto is not good at all and his pose is to long that is not a good zenkutsu not even in empi
eddylinii 3 years ago
About JKA...the JKA stay in the JKS and the JKS stay in the WKF. The JKA athletes every years compete in the JKS championship for entry in the National Team for the WKF championships...but in the kata male individual the Japan champion is Katada of Shito Kai....but the world champion is Mr Valdesi...these are the facts.
PNCUP 3 years ago
terrible performance of kanku dai. he flicks his elbows out before every move and on every kata that he performs. he makes his stances extra long to make the kata look flashier. he also slaps his gi and makes stupid noises to fool people into thinking he has kime. very poor!!
katasochin 3 years ago
You're right, he's a showman.
koolshen 3 years ago
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karate540 3 years ago
go luca! forza italia!we are the best!
maxkaratekid 3 years ago
His shuto are not very good ^^
lepoulpefox 3 years ago
i agree
giuseppet1978 3 years ago
i agree with toanthony. ithink karatefella is being anal. jka is not the only authority on shotokan. funakoshi said it would change with time.
COSIROB124 3 years ago
I accept that there can be small differences from school to school and that sometimes the katas are slightly altered for competition, but take a close look at his movements and you'll see he's striking his own body to produce kime sounds. For show that is acceptable because is more impressive. The question is if katas are the essence of karate... is karate merely a show?
andysebas10 3 years ago
sem duvidas ele é o melhor!!!
vbmjunior 3 years ago
totally agree with you karatefella
andysebas10 4 years ago
there is the kata practised in the dojo. Then we slightly alter it for competition (that is perfectly acceptable) and then we slightly alter it for bunkai practise (perfectly acceptable - or required for that matter)
the kata is impeccable
toanthony 4 years ago
great kata
patveela 4 years ago 2
I've trained karate for 9 years and still haven't seen something like this!
good work!;)
olikujzhtgrfedwsqa 4 years ago 2
Good stances etc, but it seems to me that he is striking his own body to produce "Kime sounds", and he has altered the timing of the kata for his own dramatic effect.
Andy (4th Dan Shotokan Karate)
karatefella 4 years ago 3
There is nothing wrong with changing the timing slightly for competition. His dojo kata is more on track with the regular timing.
That said, no one can say there is an official timing, or even official technique for any shotokan kata. Modern kankudai resembles nothing of its original 'kusunku' form
toanthony 4 years ago
Do you have a copy of "Best Karate" Number 6 by Master Nakayama ?
It states "Sixty five movements. About NINETY SECONDS."
This - and the others in the "Best Karate" series of books - ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT MATTER. They are the text books for JKA Shotokan Kata.
Book 6 covers Bassai Dai and Kanku Dai.
karatefella 4 years ago
I have a couple of them as i'm a big fan of Nakayama. I have his video demonstrating every shotokan kata. But JKA only has these in place for their own tournaments. So it doesnt apply elsewhere. Besides, they're by no means authorities on shotokan kata as a whole. They have changed the kata enormously themselves, so have no right to expect others to conform to them. With respect, anthony
toanthony 4 years ago
"The JKA are by no means authorities on Shotokan Kata" ????
OF COURSE THEY ARE !!
The JKA created these Kata !
By the way, what grade are you if you don't mind me asking.
If mister Valdesi entered a JKA tournament with these "kata" of his, he would be laughed out of the dojo.
He constantly sacrifices technique for speed, makes noises where there should be none, etc.
The only people who think these "performances" are good are children and beginners are are VERY easily impressed.
karatefella 4 years ago
As for my grade, i could say anything because its the net, so you would unlikely beleive me, so i wont bother.
But to say only children and beginners would be immpressed by this? Training hours a day, phenominal stances, outstanding speed...these things are not impressive? Just because he alters it slightly for a non JKA tournament! I imagine if he competed in a JKA tournament, he would adjust it back and dominate because no one there has his ability
toanthony 3 years ago 2
"The JKA are by no means authorities on Shotokan Kata" ????
OF COURSE THEY ARE !!
The JKA created these Kata !
By the way, what grade are you if you don't mind me asking.
If mister Valdesi entered a JKA tournament with these "kata" of his, he would be laughed out of the dojo.
He constantly sacrifices technique for speed, makes noises where there should be none, etc.
The only people who think these "performances" are good are children and beginners are are VERY easily impressed.
karatefella 4 years ago
My point was kankudai looks nothing like the original Kusanku. By the time it got to Funakoshi, it had changed enormously. Then Funakoshi changed it enormously (taking out moves, altering techniques, even giving it a Japanese name). And you cant say its still identical even to how Funakoshi taught it. So if it has been constantly changed over the years, the JKA cant get too upset if someone alters it slightly for a non-JKA tournament.
toanthony 3 years ago
Fanatastic! Finally a proper kata for competition. Shame about the amature ish videoing at 43sec
KarateConCarne 4 years ago 2
very very perfect
hackervn9000 4 years ago
excellent!!
elkatateca 4 years ago 2