How can i keep from being swept away by competing philosophies at school?

[lprulz12]

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls, eh?

[tdlopjs]

That's Yahoo Answers. Youtube is trolls trolling idiots.

[lprulz12]

How is babby formed?

[tdlopjs]

They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back? it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids . they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest my pary are with the father who lost his chrilden ; i am truley sorry for your lots

[tdlopjs]

I hope that helps.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Amen.

[JLRfalconpunched]

You know, I should set this part straight before I continue with all this arguing. I've nothing against John Piper. He seems like a very nice person, and contradictory to what I've seen in terms of pricing for his events, I hear that his organization is very generous with proceeds and the pricing is flexible. That is great, and good for you guys. What I do take issue with, however, is advertising Christianity as the one and only path to salvation, and to disregard anything in opposition to it.

[FillTheirVoid]

Your issue is with Christ, not piper. Jesus is the one who proclaimed Himself to be the only truth and way of salvation, and He is the one who demands total obedience and submission.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Child abuse, eh? You mean like all the priests in Ireland who were just arrested for that very same thing?

I also forgot that Ireland and the UK make up the entirety of the world.

[mcalvinist]

Well my world view says all those priest (who by the way are not Christian but Roman Catholic) should be put to death for their awful crimes.

The Liberal atheistic, Evolution based world view says they should be put in hospital, given holidays, and entertained for a few years then released again.

Now what view is backward?

and excuse me for commenting on the region I know about, if I were to speak about America it would be from ignorance.

[tdlopjs]

And here I thought it was only God's place to decide who lives and who dies.

You're speaking from ignorance either way, since there is no one evolution or Atheist based world view, just as there's no one Christian based world view.

[JLRfalconpunched]

SInce when does atheism have anything to do with the judicial system?

And yeah, not your right to decide who should be put to death. Under your God, all they need to do is repent and they will be accepted by God. How's that make you feel, that as long as Hitler repented he is in the same standing with God as you?

[mcalvinist]

Whether a person repents or not they are to pay for their crimes, God is a God of justice, Justice must be done.

you have a false view of my God my friend

[tdlopjs]

Another thing, how are Catholics not Christian?

[mcalvinist]

A Christian is someone (according to Christ the founder) who is born again, they are those who keep His commandments, who trust in Him alone for salvation.

The the Roman Catholic church teaches contrary to this!

do the math!

[tdlopjs]

No, I'm pretty sure that's what Catholics teach.

[mcalvinist]

Well you are pretty wrong then!

The RC church teaches someone is born again in Baptism.

and that then must remain within the pale of the Roman Catholic church, they must trust in the mass (a blasphemous fable)

and the other sacraments.

this is not trusting in Christ's work alone.

This will be my last post as to argue with those who are dead (Spiritually) in trespasses and sins is pointless.

May God open your eyes!

[tdlopjs]

So basically, you know you can't win, so you're running away. Sounds about right for a Christian.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Absolutely. Like when I posted on this group's facebook page and they just deleted all the comments.

Do you see how John Piper just tells the viewer to ignore the other religions by embraced Christianity even more? Sounds like Nazi Germany to me.

[Nechobank]

you've been showing, Mr. JLR, that you have no idea what you are talking about in any way shape or form in terms of Christian doctrine and theology pertaining to the Christian God. perhaps you should do some research as to the tenets of Christianity and why it's constituents believe them. the theological matters you are disregarding are key in your misunderstanding of the Christian faith. it's not as simple as you might like to think.

[JLRfalconpunched]

It's pretty easy to tell someone they have no clue as to what they're talking about without using a single example.

For example, if I were to say that you have a weak grasp of the English language, I could back that up with all the misspellings you have in this statement.

[FillTheirVoid]

The man is asking a Christian who believes in the scripture to give him an answer ... piper will obviously give him a Christian answer.

The scripture states that we are to: bring every thought into the captivity of Christ, and to take heed lest no man deceive us through vain philosophy, after the ways of this world, and not after Christ.

[JLRfalconpunched]

So if we were in the 19th century and a confused man asked me whether he should keep his slaves or follow the lead of the north and give them freedom, it is okay for me to tell him to keep his slaves? I shouldn't tell him to think for himself, and determine what is best for him?

Again, that mindset is why Christianity is the enemy of progress. If every person was a devout Christian, we'd be living in huts right now.

[FillTheirVoid]

I'm not sure I fully understand your parallel, or it's relevance to this issue.

A Christian could never tell someone to "go their own way" and to "think for yourself" because that would be a clear contradiction to what the scripture advices.

The scripture states: There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death. It then mocks those who trust in their own understanding, and advices them to repent and hearken unto the words of the omniscient one.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Ran out of space so just wanted to add one thing... If he is worried that his philosophical ideals are going to be changed, he obviously wasn't a very good Christian to begin with.

[FillTheirVoid]

Your hope and mindset is based on the things of this world, and this earth ... your "progress" will end in inevitable destruction and utter ruin.

Christians do at times stumble and can turn away from brief periods ... God is able to keep them however. Going through a period of this does not disqualify or nullify their justification in Christ.

To those who would intentionally cause them to stumble ... eternal torture awaits.

[JLRfalconpunched]

You say that our progress will end in inevitable destruction, yet Christianity has done the most damage to humankind in our history. It's quite an understatement to define a thousand years of dark ages as a stumble.

Also, eternal torture? From the sounds of it your God is a real jerk. How do you know he didn't just make the Bible just to see who would follow it for entertainment, and then torture you in the same way you claim I'll be tortured?

The answer... You don't.

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes it will end in inevitable destruction, even according to your own philosophy, the universe will die. God will bring an end to the wickedness and rebellion of this world. Then the righteous will shine in His Kingdom.

Such tribulations were prophesied by Christ. Furthermore, there has been far more human suffering in the 20th century.

God is just and He will repay those who hate Him to their faces. God does not lie or deceive, it is written: Nobody who trusts in Christ will be disappointed.

[tdlopjs]

I don't hate God, I just don't believe he exists. As for the universe dying, what's that have to do with progress?

[FillTheirVoid]

Your denial and rejection of Him is a direct result of your hate and rebellion against Him. The scripture declares that all men are hostile toward, and enemies of God in their natural state. If we continued our discussion regarding God, I am sure you would display what your opinion of the Creator is. I have seen this demonstrated time and time again, even in the midst of such denials.

My statement was that your "progress" will inevitably end in destruction ... do you deny this?

[JLRfalconpunched]

Man, God did a real good job ending the wickedness during the holocaust, didn't he?

Oh, so because some guy claims to be the son of God that makes it gospel? I'm pretty sure every religion has the same "prophet", Jesus isn't a concept exclusive to Christianity.

So because something is written it means that it is true? Harry Potter has 6 books on the Bible, that must mean that Harry Potter is more deserving of our worship.

[FillTheirVoid]

God's intention was not to end the wickedness on this earth at that time. If He were to end it now, you would certainly be destroyed.

He is long suffering, not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to the knowledge of the truth.

He did much more than make claims, and indeed He is exclusive to Christianity.

If it is written in the scriptures, according to Jesus ... yes it makes it true.

There is a vast difference between harry potter, and the scripture of the LORD.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Yeah, at least Harry Potter turned out into some half decent movies.

What about Sumerian beliefs? Or the Epic of Gilgamesh? Those scriptures are much older than those of Christian faith, so why are they incorrect?

You're essentially saying because something is written and old it is true. Do you realize how weak of an argument that is? If something is true because it is old and written, we must ALL HAIL THE SUN GOD.

[FillTheirVoid]

You actually enjoy those movies?

I've heard such things and they are hardly convincing. I would be very interested in seeing the extent and endurance of their theologies. Obviously this is an example of the indelible knowledge of God which is placed in the human heart, combined with man's sinfulness and some general revelation, perhaps some deception of the devil. Which would result in said scriptures and theologies.

That was not my contention.

Thankfully however, Christ came to tell us.

[tdlopjs]

OK. Now tell me how you know scripture is true. Give me one objective reason why I should believe the Bible in its entirety is true, and I will drop to my knees and beg God's forgiveness.

(Spoiler: You can't.)

[FillTheirVoid]

You've made a fundamental mistake regarding the scripture.

If the scripture is true, there will be no objective reason which would convince of it's validity.

God delights in faith, not in your ability to reason within your fallible and corrupt mind. When you believe what God has said, it gives greater glory to Him ... than if you had seen it.

God's intention is to bring the utmost amount of glory to Himself, so it follows.

I've run out of space, but archeology, the martyrs, history ... etc.

[JLRfalconpunched]

No, those movies were terrible. They were better than The Passion of The Christ though.

I think it may be good for you to go out and go.... Do something. It may do some good for you to take the horse blinders off, because you're following a religion for no significant reason.

You've given no argument for the validity of the Christian religion, just that it is true because a book says it is. A book that leaves no objective reason for it's validity, at that.

[FillTheirVoid]

Whatever, I don't want to discuss movies.

Do what exactly? Engage in sin and vanity? Intelligent and rational beings require a purpose greater than their own desires and indulgences, which originates outside of themselves.

I have very significant reasons for following the Creator, my goal is to bring glory to God through my life, and others to faith in Christ. This will have eternal consequences and value.

My intention was not to give such an argument. My duty is to proclaim, nothing else.

[tdlopjs]

What could your reasons possibly be, if you just said that there's no evidence, and everything has to be taken on faith?

[FillTheirVoid]

According to the scriptures: The mind of natural man is unable to understand or accept the truth of God.

In fact, even when confronted with His imminent judgment and undeniable reality, the scripture says that unconverted men will blaspheme rather than repent.

Faith is a gift given by God, and the convincing regarding the truthfulness of the scriptures is the work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration.

There are some evidences, such as the martyrs, archeology, history, nature, etc...

[JLRfalconpunched]

A martyr isn't an objective form of evidence, you should know that if you believe God gave us free will.

Archeology, so you mean the proof we've been given that the world is much older than the Bible assumes? Oh, or history... Again, the fact that Christian holidays were moved around to please the Pagans is quite convincing. Nature? I'm pretty sure that's your biggest enemy, and his name is Charles Darwin.

You should read some of his work, he actually provides evidence, not just reason.

[tdlopjs]

"If the scripture is true, there will be no objective reason which would convince of it's validity."

"There are some evidences, such as the martyrs, archeology, history, nature, etc... "

Both said by you. Seems to me, that according to your logic, you just proved scripture isn't true.

[FillTheirVoid]

I said which would "convince" you. Which we know, according to the scriptures ... is impossible apart from the work of the Holy Spirit.

[FillTheirVoid]

The testimony of the martyrs is an evidence of some sort. Though I would agree that it is not entirely conclusive. It does make a great impact though, when the authors themselves die for their testimony.

Archeology is different than geology dude ...

We know about historical events described within the scriptures.

Christianity is not based on holidays.

Nature is actually one of the greatest testimonies.

Man's attempt to explain the created world without the Creator is not threatening.

[JLRfalconpunched]

I understand that archaeology is different than geology, that's why my response is valid. Archaeology uses Carbon and Potassium dating, which provide objective evidence that the world is older than the Bible assume.s

Martyrs dying for testimony means nothing, just look at the Muslim religion. By that logic, Muslims must have the largest evidence due to testimony.

The holiday comment was to show how easily the religion is altered to satisfy people.

Evolution directly interferes---

[JLRfalconpunched]

With the inerrant word of the bible. Had to do a whole new post to put that little sliver of information.... >_>

[FillTheirVoid]

was speaking about things such as archeological cities, events, kings, etc.

The exact age of the earth itself is not given within the scripture. It is deduced by adding the age of men, from adam.

Those dating methods assume to much, such as a constant rate of decay, also the earth was created fully formed in such a state.

There is a vast difference between islamic martyrs and the martyrdom of the authors of the scripture.

It's prophecies that some would turn away.

It doesn't interfere.

[JLRfalconpunched]

So you're going to keep chanting the glory of your God without giving objective proof as to why he exists?

That would be like me saying Hitler is the one and only true leader, because it was said in Mein Kampf.

what I meant was you should try thinking for yourself for once in your life.

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes, I will do just that ... it is what I have been commanded to do. My job is not to convince you intellectually or present evidences, or to beat you in arguments. Rather we are told simply to proclaim the Gospel, and those who are ordained unto eternal life will come.

What you are saying was not my argument.

It is foolish to trust in one's own fallible and corrupt mind. Only Christ is qualified to declare truth. We need teachers, yours are men, mine is the omniscient one.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Again, the problem is every one of your arguments stems from the scriptures, of which have no proof to be valid.

How do you know that humanity's mind is corrupt? Our mind has taken us further than prayer ever has.

You've essentially said that you have no true reason for following the scripture, with the exception that you favor it over other philosophies. There is NO proof that Christ is qualified to declare truth. Whatsoever. None, zip, zilch.

Theres Just as much proof that Hitler is God.

[FillTheirVoid]

You're correct in that my arguments stem from the scripture. Nor am I able to conclusively validate it before unbelievers, nor should I expect to.

Humanities mind is obviously extremely corrupt and wicked, this is apparent in daily life. Take a look at Romans 1 and compare it with our society.

I have reasons, but nothing which you would accept objectively. It doesn't have to do with favor though.

His resurrection and testimony is great, as well as His prophecies. Though it is by faith.

[tdlopjs]

Next time you give something come the Bible, could you post specific verses? You don't have to, but I'd really appreciate it if you would. I'd rather not read any more of Paul's writing than I have to.

I'd like to hear some of these reasons, if you don't mind.

[FillTheirVoid]

My reasons would include logic, reason, lack of any other satisfactory explanations or purposes, the sense of the scriptures, their accuracy regarding the character and state of mankind, prophecy, the testimony of the martyrs, history, archeology, nature, the testimony of Jesus Christ, and most importantly the Holy Spirit.

Ultimately, it requires faith.

Like I said, there will be no objective evidence provided to you which would convince you.

[JLRfalconpunched]

This may be slight off topic, but I have a question I've been meaning to ask a Christian. In science, we're getting quite close to the idea of immortality. Before you say immortality is impossible, there is a species of jellyfish which is indeed immortal, and we're projected to have the same benefit by 2050. what will the Christian response be then? If I never die, I will never face God's judgment, now will I?

[FillTheirVoid]

Ah yes I heard about that jellyfish.

It would take God about a split second to fry every computer on this planet and send torrents of horrific diseases upon you.

[JLRfalconpunched]

But he couldn't stop the holocaust, or your people setting us back a thousand years.

Sounds like a fair God. Honestly... I'd rather go decay in the ground than be with him, because he sounds like a real jerk.

[FillTheirVoid]

He could have prevented the holocaust, (actually more Christians died in the 20th century) however, He used it for a good purpose in that He brought the jewish people back to israel. This will set up the world for the return of Christ and the redemption of His people, which will be ultimately good.

God is gracious to you not to punish you where you sit now, you're a sinner ... and His justice requires your punishment. However He is most patient with us. Though not forever.

[tdlopjs]

"and His justice requires your punishment"

Why does God require anything? I thought he was omnipotent?

[FillTheirVoid]

He is indeed omnipotent, the word "require" here means that God has determined it within Himself according to His own justice to punish evildoers. Nothing hangs above Him which requires His action, He has established equity and justice ... and laws, and He will keep them, according to His own determination.

If that makes any sense ... I may not be able to articulate it sufficiently, and I apologize for that.

[tdlopjs]

It makes sense, but only if you're trying to say God is punishing people based on arbitrary rules that he made up one day. He's not required to do anything, and if he does punish anybody according to these arbitrary rules, he's not loving, he's a psychopath.

[FillTheirVoid]

It depends I suppose on what you mean by arbitrary. God is the one who determines justice and morality, and He has commanded us to do certain things and not to do certain things, our disobedience to these commands is called sin. According to God's standard of justice which He has established in wisdom those who disobey will be punished ... justly.

In reality, disobedience to God is indeed evil.

Furthermore, God's own understanding of justice is far superior to your own.

[tdlopjs]

Just because he has a better understanding of justice, doesn't necessarily mean his actions are just.

[FillTheirVoid]

My point is that God is the one who has established and declared justice, and He performs it.

You as a mere creature, cannot possibly assume the ability to rebuke the Creator's judgment, especially from a position of ignorance. To claim otherwise would be incredibly arrogant, rebellious, obviously false, and delusional.

[JLRfalconpunched]

No, it isn't. Again, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT.

It is not your point that God is the one who established and declared justice, it is your OPINION DUE TO YOUR FAITH that God is the one who established and declare justice.

I think you need a lesson on what is factual and objective as compared to what is subjective.

Really, this is like if I made a five hour argument about why pizza is the best food ever made.

[FillTheirVoid]

I have certainly made a point, and my basis for declaring such is the scriptures.

Logically, and reasonably, objective justice and morality requires a personal and supreme authoritative source. Otherwise all morality and justice would become subjective opinions.

[tdlopjs]

Give me one reason why they couldn't come about through evolution.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Who says objectivity requires a supreme authority? If that authority is subjective (which you God clearly is) then that is a failed assumption.

I think you need to familiarize yourself with Kantian universalism, or is that evil too?

Also... I wasn't going to say anything but I watched your one video... If you're the type of person your god wishes to spend eternity with, I'd be glad to receive his eternal punishment. You need help, like serious psychiatric help.

[FillTheirVoid]

Objective morality certainly requires a supreme authority, or else it would become subjective ... obviously.

God's law is objective, He has established it within the scriptures, and placed it within the human heart ... He will then carry it out.

It probably is.

My God's love for me is not based on myself, He loves me despite of myself. It's called grace.

[tdlopjs]

"It probably is."

What?

[JLRfalconpunched]

Wait.. God's law is objective... So that means God not interjecting with the holocaust was objective?

If that means God's intervention is objective he has demonstrated he will not interfere with our free will.

In this event, when immortality is upon us through science, he will not interject. You know what this means right? That means that once we have such technology, we will be beyond your God's rule, unless he changes his laws.

Oh wait, he can't change his laws because as you said he

[FillTheirVoid]

I'm not sure what you're talking about man.

You will never reach immortality ... obviously you would eventually be killed even if you did reach it.

In all likelihood you'll be dead in less than 60 years.

God is certainly able to change whatever He wants to, He reigns over everything with supreme and omnipotent authority. Your "free will" is no obstacle to Him.

[JLRfalconpunched]

He does not lie and has told us his laws are objective.

Unless you are wrong, this means Science has beaten God. By this logic I will never see your God's punishment, and I am willing to say that this leaves me to be just as powerful as your God.

[FillTheirVoid]

It's not based on me but on God.

Science has done no such thing, not even close. The scripture says: though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not go unpunished.

Good luck reaching omnipotence omniscience and omnipresence.

You're clearly delusional.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Science will have reached such bounds within the next fifty years, this has already been proven.

I'm delusional? sorry to break it to you, but omnipotence is an impossible concept.. Just looking at your videos it's clear that you are absolutely insane, and you'll probably end up bombing an abortion clinic or something of the sort. scary stuff. 

I'll demonstrate this nice and swiftly.

Can God create a rock that he cannot lift? Explain why he can or cannot.

[FillTheirVoid]

Already been proven, wow ... good luck with it. lol I think you watch a little too much discovery channel.

Indeed, obviously delusional. You're talking about immortality and reaching the power of God.

Thanks for the compliment, though Christians aren't called to murder people.

Is that your best argument? Please ...

God could do both.

[tdlopjs]

How could God do both?

[JLRfalconpunched]

God could do both? You can't do both. Explain.

[FillTheirVoid]

lol ...

God is omnipotent, He can do anything ... including things which defy the tiny cognitive abilities which He gave you.

[tdlopjs]

So basically:

"God can do it. I don't know how he could do it, but he could definitely do it. He told me he could."

[FillTheirVoid]

In a way yes, God never lies. He can easily do things which defy your understanding. He established the laws of the universe, He can create new ones, remove old ones, twist existing ones, or even outright break them.

God determines reality itself.

[JLRfalconpunched]

This is my last response. He wouldn't be subjective if he was changing the laws to fit his will.

Really though, Harry Potter can change these laws himself, he can fly on a broomstick and all. Perhaps you should venture into those scriptures.

Cya.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Well here is the last response, actually. I meant to say he wouldn't be objective, not subjective >_>

Sorry Mr. Piper for uh.... Making this into a battleground, but it had to be done. If you actually support people like this lunatic, maybe I shouldn't be apologizing.

[FillTheirVoid]

They are objective because they are established by Himself, the supreme authority, the only one able to establish and declare such. He is the source and basis for them.

Your arguments are thoroughly unconvincing.

We are speaking about the eternal omnipotent omniscient omnipresent Creator God.

not harry potter.

[JLRfalconpunched]

From the looks of this piss poor response, you've submitted yourself into defeat. You are the one who mentions logic, and this is the most logical statement of them all.

If your God creates a rock he cannot lift he is weak. At the same time if God can lift any rock, he is not powerful enough to make something more powerful, meaning he does not have ultimate power.

The only way for you to get yourself out of this one is backpedaling, which you can't do given your perfect Bible.

You lose.

[FillTheirVoid]

I have done no such thing.

My contention is that God is able to defy your own ability to reason. He is not bound by your perception of logic.

He is omnipotent, obviously He would be able to do both.

[the1qb]

@JLRfalconpunched He can however remake the meaning of any word or statement thereby making it logically possible

[tdlopjs]

"It would take God about a split second to fry every computer on this planet and send torrents of horrific diseases upon you. "

Now that sounds like the loving God I've heard so much about.

[JLRfalconpunched]

FAITH. That's what I've been waiting for you to say this entire time.

In the end, you are basing the entirety of your life on faith. Now, what you call faith, I call chance.

I did some quick math... Given the conservative estimate of 650 Gods which people assume to be true just as you do, you have a .15% chance of being correct. This is only including theistic options here. That's not even a one percent chance. Sure you wish to dedicate your life to a .15% chance?

[FillTheirVoid]

Yes, it comes down entirely to faith. I've said this from the beginning.

Once again, I would love to discuss their theologies with you. May I ask you, if God is holy and just, of infinite worth, and man is sinful (which nearly all religions assume) how is sinful man able to enter into His presence or go unpunished?

Perhaps we should talk about the orgy which is the islamic heaven?

Please ... Christ is the only way, and none who trust in Him will be disappointed.

[tdlopjs]

I trusted in Christ for 17 years, and I was definitely disappointed that I wasted so much time with church. Also, if you're going to comment on other religions, it helps to have more than a passing knowledge of them.

[FillTheirVoid]

I'm sure those were the first 17 years of your life, without ever being regenerated by the Holy Spirit by faith in Christ. Attending church or being raised in a "Christian" household does not make one a born again believer.

You should know what the scripture says: That they went out from us but were not really of us.

again: My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me, a stranger they will not follow, because they know not the voice of strangers.

You should turn to Him for real this time.

[tdlopjs]

For real? What about it made it not real?

As for being sheep, are you sure it's a good idea to liken yourself to an animal that will blindly walk off a cliff if it sees something else do it?

[JLRfalconpunched]

My response to that would be if God is as powerful as religions claim, he wouldn't have created such sinful creatures.

I guess that's not your thing, but I'd rather have the orgy.

For the last comment, I can do the same thing.

KIM JONG IL IS THE ONLY PATH TO EQUALITY. IF YOU FOLLOW HIS LEAD, HE WILL LEAD YOU TO SALVATION. IF YOU DO NOT, YOU WILL BE DISSAPOINTED.

See, I can make a baseless claim as well. the chances of Kim Jong Il being our savior is the same as your God being correct.

[FillTheirVoid]

You're blatant ignorance regarding the scriptures, and the character of God is showing.

None of your arguments are convincing in the least, and I've heard most of them before. You parrot and blindly follow your shepherds.

You should actually read and study the bible before you make such comments.

God created us knowing that we would fall for a purpose which will be for His own glory and the good of those who will be saved in Christ.

He is omnipotent.

kim jong il is sinful ... disqualified

[JLRfalconpunched]

No, you are the one who is blatantly ignorant. You've said it yourself that EVERYTHING you say is based on faith. As I said before, that faith has a "CONSERVATIVE" chance of 0.15% in being correct. Maybe you should go take a statistics course instead of wearing those horse blinders.

Why would I read what doesn't provide sufficient evidence? If the Bible was perfect, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[FillTheirVoid]

Basing my beliefs on faith does not mean that I am ignorant.

Once again, I would love to discuss their theologies with you. I'm sure you have a good grasp on both Christianity and islam, shall we discuss it?

It has nothing to do with chance, Christ has already proved Himself.

Perhaps you should go seek out those 650 religions and dedicate your attention to refuting them. I know they cause just as much distress to you as Christianity ....

Not so sir. If the bible is true we would be ...

[JLRfalconpunched]

Basing your beliefs on faith does not make you ignorant. Basing your beliefs on faith and then passing them off as fact, however, makes you ignorant.

What is it you wish to discuss?

Also, I focus on Christianity because it has caused this world the most harm. Christ hasn't proven himself in an objective way. The evidence for Christ is no more than the evidence of Akhenaten's belief in the Sun God.

Hell, Akhenaten developed the first monotheistic religion. Age should make it more valid.

[FillTheirVoid]

I would like to discuss with you the theological differences between Christianity and islam.

For example, how would you defend the islamic god's apparent inability to preserve the scriptures which had supposedly been previously established by himself.

Would it make any difference to you that Christ had already prophesied in the scripture that such deceptions and rejections of Himself would come later, which is clearly the case in islam?

The sun isn't alive, and it didn't create the universe.

[JLRfalconpunched]

I'm not Islamic, you'd have to ask someone of that faith to answer that question. The atheist point of view would simply be chance. The reason Biblical scripture is still in existence is the exact same that Sumerian scripture exists.

Also, it's not hard to assume people will object you when you claim to be the son of God. If I was to claim to be the son of God right now, I could easily make the same claim.

[FillTheirVoid]

The only reason why you think it's chance is because you do not know anything about the theology or claims behind them.

You could make that claim but it would be painfully obvious that you were a liar. I'd love to see you demonstrate absolute holiness for even one day.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Does this mean you know the theology behind every single one of the 650 religions I mentioned earlier?

Again, there is an equal chance that the flying spaghetti monster exists as there is your God. with out current knowledge, it is COMPLETELY based upon chance.

You're really getting to be annoying. You use the same argument every time without even seeing how weak it is. It's the same thing as when I said Kim Jong Il was the only path to salvation.

[FillTheirVoid]

No it doesn't, but I know the major ones pretty well.

Not all of them are able to make equal claims.

Once again you're just repeating the same tired arguments. They are most unconvincing.

You cannot even begin to compare the God of the bible with whatever you think that thing is.

It is not based on chance at all, but on Christ.

kim jong ill is sinful ... he is obviously disqualified.

[JLRfalconpunched]

This is your problem. You keep saying Kim Jong Il is sinful, but he is only sinful under your God.

My arguments are only unconvincing because you will not step out of the boundaries of your faith. You cannot be convinced by anything, even if science was to completely disprove your God you would still believe in him.

This is why Christianity is the greatest threat to this world. The concept of a God may have helped us in the early days of civilization, but we no longer need Gods.

[FillTheirVoid]

That's only one issue with it. I would like to see kim jong's theology please. When did he create the universe? Why is he fallible?

Well you're correct about one thing, I would believe in God no matter what.

God is not a concept, but the personal Creator and upholder of the universe and indeed reality itself.

Your rebellion against him will result in humiliating defeat and infinite punishment.

[JLRfalconpunched]

That's the one issue with it? If the Bible is perfect no issues can exist.

Again, you have said it yourself that you would believe in God no matter what I say. This is why you are, as I've said before... The poison of this world. We cannot move on until your kind is lost in the pages of history.

[FillTheirVoid]

There's more issues than that. If the bible is true then there should be people like yourself and kim jong ill. Everything we would expect to find, we do.

Indeed I would believe in God no matter what, even to the death ... my entire life will be dedicated to the furtherance of the Gospel.

Good luck defeating the muslims.

Anyway, it's prophesied that these times would come ... and indeed God will eventually put an end to the rebellion. To the shame of all those who have turned from Him.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Also, your usage of the word "You're" should be sinful.

You are blatant ignorance? Does that make any sense to you?

[FillTheirVoid]

It's not sinful because it was not committed in opposition to God's command.

If you haven't noticed, I'm attempting to respond to a rapid succession of comments between two different people.

I apologize for any grammatical errors.

[JLRfalconpunched]

It is certainly okay, this has been going on for quite a while and I expect this to be in the closing stages. I'm not quite sure where you live, but in this region it is 2 am, bed time for normal people.

It was a joke, chill out.

[tdlopjs]

"You parrot and blindly follow your shepherds."

Troll confirmed.

[tdlopjs]

"You parrot and blindly follow your shepherds. "

Just in case you aren't a troll, and really are that delusional (because I have seen people like that before), I have to say this. You're the one who claims that Jesus is your shepherd. You're the one that calls yourself sheep.

[JLRfalconpunched]

I find it ironic when you speak of the corrupt and wicked, when Christianity is the greatest argument for this.

His resurrection? If God would resurrect his child for evidence, and give us the Bible for proof... why didn't he just create a giant stone tablet that floats around the Earth which contains the word of the Bible?

It's quite convenient that the Christian religion has no true proof, other than favor.

[FillTheirVoid]

That's utterly incorrect, especially in light of the scriptures. You probably don't even know what corruption or wickedness is.

Indeed His resurrection, which was delivered by the testimony of the apostles and disciples ... according to pleasure of God.

God delights in faith. Christ said: "Blessed are those who have not seen, yet have believed."

and again: It was pleasing in His sight to hide these things from the wise and prudent, but reveal it to children.

[JLRfalconpunched]

This is a response to which one of my messages? This youtube system is quite terrible, I wasn't even sure if it was directed towards myself.

Nice insult though, pretty Christian of you. Again, you bring up the scriptures. Give me one reason for the validity of the scriptures, why Christianity is the path to follow as opposed to the other 640 mainstream Gods you reject.

[FillTheirVoid]

My response was toward the comment in which you stated: "I find it ironic when you speak of the corrupt and wicked ..."

I don't see any insult ...

Read Romans 1 and compare it to our society, that's one reason.

I follow Christ as apposed to other "gods" which can't even begin to compare with the LORD.

I'd thoroughly enjoy discussing their theologies. lol

[tdlopjs]

Modern medicine is definitely going to destroy us. Wait, no, the people who end up destroyed are the ones who refuse to go to a doctor, and depend on God and prayer to heal them.

Nobody is trying to make anyone stumble here. If anything, we're trying to help them up from the pit of ignorance.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Well, everyone knows how effective prayer is. C'mon now.

[FillTheirVoid]

Medicine has never saved anyone from death or the judgment of God. Our hope in God is not based on worldly things, or health, or prosperity here.

Christ came to heal the spiritually sick, and those who trust in Him .. though they die, yet shall they live.

What you call ignorance the scripture calls wisdom. What you call good the scripture calls evil. It is written: That which is highly esteemed by men is abomination in the sight of God.

You will be judged for your attacks upon His saints.

[JLRfalconpunched]

I'm pretty convinced that you have to be an Internet troll, this is just surreal.

Regardless, you can have fun believing what you believe, and know that if by some chance you are correct over the other thousand active religions, you will be welcomes into heaven by Hitler himself.

Sounds like a good place.

[mcalvinist]

"Or is it that you're saying every religion aside from Christianity is a poison in this world?"

Yes that is what I am saying!

Friend, I would not expect you to believe or understand this, as it takes a work of faith done by the holy Spirit.

[JLRfalconpunched]

You know, it's that type of thinking that set humanity back a thousand years. By your people, at that. Perhaps you should re-evaluate who is the poison of this world.

[mcalvinist]

Is that so ? well pre-Christian days in UK& Ireland were very rough! Child sacrifice, life was very cheap the Celts nailed other peoples head to their walls as ornaments.

The land then became a land of saints and scholars.

but since the atheistic world view has taken hold, Children are again sacrificed, only this time to the god of career, or selfishness.

and life is very cheap, with murderers and child rapists, being treated like they have an illness instead of be punished as criminals.

[mcalvinist]

Now you tell me who's thinking has set us back 1000 years?

[JLRfalconpunched]

Uh, the Christian dark ages did. I have a question for you... Did God make that computer you're typing on? Pretty sure that was made through science, which Christianity has already hindered enough.

[lucasdasilvamaria]

Wow! Great answer!

[mcalvinist]

No my friend that would not be an approperate response, as a Christian Pastor/shepherd, who is charged with feeding and protecting the sheep John Piper has given the correct response.

To give the response you suggest would be like, my children wanting to tantalize their taste buds, and for me to recommend poison, and this would broaden their horizons.

[JLRfalconpunched]

You're comparing poison to subjective religions? Or is it that you're saying every religion aside from Christianity is a poison in this world?

You know, we're not too different, you believe every religion with the exception of Christianity is a poison, Our only difference is I have one more religion on my list. Given the number of religions, that's what.. a 0.1% difference between Christianity and Atheism?

[mcalvinist]

"So instead of telling people to be mindful of other philosophies you just tell them to be completely ignorant of other concepts?"

Did I miss a section of this video? I did not hear Piper say we should be ignorant of anything.

Thanks mr Piper for yet more wisdom!

[JLRfalconpunched]

Not to be ignorant? He says to repel other philosophies to "stay in a good worshipping, Christ exalting God centered bible believing church. Worship every Sunday"

Would the appropriate, mature response not be to stay away from places of bias, and try to make a decision for yourself? He doesn't say to go read the Qu'ran or go some Dawkins' books, he says go read books biased towards the Christian faith.

[telecast]

If you are trying to stay biased to Christianity (which the person who posed this question that Piper is answering is), then why not immerse yourself in a Christian biased atmosphere, and read Christian biased books? It makes sense to me.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Well, every atheist argument stems from the Bible itself, so I would say we enrich ourselves in Christian doctrine just as much, if not more than a Christian.

[JLRfalconpunched]

Really...? So instead of telling people to be mindful of other philosophies you just tell them to be completely ignorant of other concepts? That's good, great way to make progress.