Semi Permanent Shelter - The Stove Goes In

[yourhero33]

you should make some kind of food storage i it too i just started my shelter 3 days ago and used the stove and we are working on some knid of food storage it also has a door too

[mrgrnjns1111]

Great video Dave. But I would like to make one suggestion if I may. That Stove looks to be on the ground. I would raise it about 6 inches maybe by staking a few rocks under it so that you get more of a heat reflection from the floor of the shelter. I think it would be more efficient resulting in burning less wood. you also would be heating more moving air instead of heat dissipating into the ground . Also it would make it a hell of alot easier to tend to the fire...

[yourhero33]

hey if you ever check this out i have a suggestion i think you should put a piece of metal on the stove and use it as a stove top so you dont clutter the shelter

[BushcraftOnFire]

@yourhero33 Of course I'll read it Bro.. Great suggestion.. thank you so much for posting it!

[yourhero33]

@BushcraftOnFire i built one and it worked great we made steaks

[mrgrnjns1111]

@yourhero33 My buddy actually has this on his 55 gallon barrel stove... Works fantastic.. Also a good way to dry wet wood quickly..

[houseoffire72]

Nice vid bro :) keep up the good work.

[shippen2010]

nnnniiiiiccccceeeee

[ihatesquirrel13]

i see alot of posts here concerning stealth and being too visible. i dont think the point of this camp is too run covert operations out of. seems many interested in survival think they going to be recon delta or combat rangers. its just a permanent shelter, could be used for multiple things. to those who think they are g.i. joe..unless you learned your skills via military, you wont last 10 minutes if you run into actual former military

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 while I respect the military and my grandfather was a marine, you have to realize that there are loads of branches in the military, it's obviously the best training for warfare but there is always the skill and luck of the individual(s) involved. We all know it's not an auto-win card ;)

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss nothing is ever auto win..but give me a guy with actual military training every time..yes there are loads of branches..i was in the military..and just because you see coast guard or air force doesnt mean they arent killers..the air force has op teams that rival recon or seals. seals are members from every branch of military..as are rangers

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 unfortunately, current military training have lowered their standards by a large amount.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss and you say this based on what ? please provide proof

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 it's pretty much general public knowledge. I know plenty of blokes serving now and many who are in basic atm. I know me granda was a Marine and Green Beret special forces as well. Compare those days to this and you'll see what I'm talkin bout. It's like I said before lad, no real military man is going to go around touting basic or even deployment experience as a claim to victory in a fight. A proper boxer would put a sniper on the floor in a fist fight. It's just common sense.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss no its not general public knowledge and nothing you said validates a point. i was in the military in the 80's / 90's and know many in the military now. the training is 10 x better, the skill level 10 x better. todays u.s. military would destroy the military of old. your analogy makes no sense... please respond with some validation evidence or withhold responding. have you served recently in the military ? if not , you really have no point of reference

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 Also I was not speaking of the 80s 90s but long before it. Think WW2 and before.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss no way the training then was better then what they receive now, not even close

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 Whose "they"? SEALS/Special Forces? Maybe. Ground troops doing 3 months basic then shipped off? No. Like I said, not all military training is the same. Or else we wouldn't have different branches.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss no, every person in the military receives ground combat and hand to hand combat skills. we dont have different branches for different sets of basic training..are you kidding me ? it because they all serve different functions and purposes. each with a need for there own chain of command and congressional funding demands. you still have not provided one ounce of evidence to back your statement or give merit to it, please state how training is not as good today ..

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 I never said the basic training was different per branch, but there is definitely specialized training. You're not going to have a frontline Grunt having the same training as a Navy SEAL obviously. Someone with years of Krav Maga or BJJ could best someone with military "hand to hand" which is extremely basic as far as martial arts goes. Now as far as evidence, todays military has the convenience of technology, far less rough than it's previous days.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss tecnology is not proof of not being trained well or as well. this really going nowhere, my point was a miltary member had an advantage over average joe. you dont agree.. thats that

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 Define an "average joe". Your point is null and void when it comes to other variables involved in a conflict. Anyone with any basic knowledge of armed combat would never make a statement that military training trumps all. The technology point was made to show that we rely more on distance shooting, intelligence, air strikes, etc. than in the old days, whereas older training had to be far harder/distinct to make up for the lack of that.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss perhaps you didnt read the part that said we disagree and thats that..you make no point and listen to no logic..because you are 24 and think you know it all, like every 24 year old.. theres no educating those that refuse to learn. good luck to ya

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 You can use age as an excuse all you want to duck out

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss there ya go showing that maturity again..if you make a point that has some evidence or something to back up your opinion i will be happy to retort..until then, have fun growing up

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 You can continue to pull the age card, until you accept that there are younger, more intelligent/experienced people out there and that you've finally found that exception to your "age old" rule of judging purely based on age, you are going to ignore everything I say and ask for "proof" on a topic that has nothing to do with physical evidence.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss you are no exception other then in your own mind, your comments have become boring and you still have managed to say nothing. the subject certainly has physical evidence. some training manual schedules, some personal experience..ohh thats right..you dont have any military experience..just talkin out your ass...boring,...boring, boring,boring

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 Passing such a judgment whilst only knowing me through a few comments further proves your readiness to auto pull a card/label without thought which invalidates your point as a mere knee-jerk reaction. I don't need physical training manuals in hand to know that technology has shifted training from the older principles of crude marksmanship/survival to a higher reliance on technology. Boot camp also was harder.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss no..it doesnt..and no, it wasnt. technology does not dictate training..running 5 miles is running 5 miles..digging a foxhole is digging a foxhole. you know nothing of which you speak having zero experience. this is going nowhere but your youthfull pride just wont let ya stop will it...it just keeps getting worse the more you try

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 Yes, your shallow and pretentious presumption is merely that, a foolhardy attempt to label through age. Technology does dictate training as it inevitably results in better strategy, tactics, weaponry, etc. which results in new training. Marines going to Iraq are hardly preparing to storm the shores of Normandy. Today's soldiers pale in comparison to the WW2 vets. I've some years of Krav Maga behind me, I bet I could put a grunt on the ground, their hand to hand combat is shit.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss hahahahhahaha yadda ,yadda , yadda..hahahhahaha. this is such a colossal waste of time..you have NO EXPERIENCE

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss hahahhahahaha yadda , yadda ,yadda,,,you have NO EXPERIENCE..technology does not change basic skills..and your krav maga wont do you any good when you catch a rifle butt under your chin...no ones impressed youngster

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 I find it funny you claim superiority based on age but your lack of proper reasoning shows that you are completely daft. I'm tired of the mentality that because you've somehow survived for X amount of years you are therefore wiser, with nothing to show for the claim BUT those years, you are a case of this. And btw, yes there is a krav technique for dealing with an opponents blunt weapon strike (rifles included). If you don't think technology affects basic skills you're dreaming.

[50calkinney]

@staringintotheabyss although it is logical to believe technology does play a role in basic skills that is based on if that technology is available in a survival situation. I agree with u to some extent but what if u run into an instance where u have a sickness even as outdated as influenza and ur technology and basic skills are not readily available. Ill tell u what would happen ud die..to a cold.

[staringintotheabyss]

@50calkinney This was a debate about training, not random circumstances.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss also you should get some facts striaght...marines are not green berets..thats the army..so either you or ole grandad are lying

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 believed he may have served in different branches at different times, or perhaps he was in the Marines and another relative was Green Berets. I have a relative in pretty much every U.S war. I think nitpicking at my family history is a huge sidetrack from the initial blundering presumption that military training would give you the edge in a fight without ever considering what your enemy may have trained in, and the fact training itself doesn't make the entire fighter.

[ihatesquirrel13]

@staringintotheabyss i was not nitpicking, i was questioning your integrity. i made no blunder. you have provided no evidence to contradict my assertion and basicly are wasting your time and mine which each letter you type

[staringintotheabyss]

@ihatesquirrel13 If you want to pry into my history instead of the topic, I never met my grandfather, he died before I could. The debate has had nothing to do with me providing evidence of family history. The main point of contention is with your statement "unless you learned your skills via military, you wont last 10 minutes if you run into actual former military". The outcome of a "run in" as you put it, is not wholly dependent on military training,and military training is not all the same.

[RETZBAC]

If it was me I would position the stove parallel with the rock wall. Saves space and probably just as effective. Just my $0.02. Cheers

[pauldude000]

One thing I thought of since my previous post is the smoke trail. Smoke can be smelled for quite a distance, and on a still day the smoke column is a beacon pointing to your position. Gasifiers when heated to operating temps are almost completely smokeless.

[BushcraftOnFire]

@pauldude000

Good thoughts Bro.. But this isn't meant to carry, or for a covert setup. This is simply something that could be used for Base Camps.. But in other situations.. the Gasifier is an excellent suggestion!

[pauldude000]

I like the stove idea, but the big air tank looks heavy as well as bulky. Not very practical as a hike in item. You might consider the same idea using a smaller gasifier design. Get back to me if you would like more info on gasifier design, and possible mods for various purposes.

[sok8888]

Way to complicated. We made a mud stove in Malaysia while on a long camp, which continue to keep us warm throughout the night even when the flame is gone.

[bruce3128]

if you didnt have a shelter in the cold the stove would be great to hover close to in the open if you were on the move or something. and you could put the fire out quick nobody would know you were their a fire on the ground would be a giveaway

[bruce3128]

if you didnt have a shelter in the cold the stove would be great to hover close to in the open if you were on the move or something. and you could put the fire out quick nobody would know you were their

[lovely123456789ist]

Is this a smoke generator?

[BushcraftOnFire]

@lovely123456789ist

No.. this burns pretty cleanly actually.. I was surprised as I thought there would be more smoke than there was.

[jpbeck1]

That might be the coolest thing I've ever seen!

[briargoatkilla]

well its been over a year since this shelter and stove was built. how's it holding up? it'd be cool to do a revisited vid so we can see. thanks so much for your contribution to the world!

[BushcraftOnFire]

@briargoatkilla

Actually.. it's held up pretty well.. We didn't do any work on it.. but most of the debris is still on top.. and the stove is still in working order.. I was actually surprised that the shelter held up as well as it has.. Maybe we can get some video of it in the near future..

[pops1861]

greeting dave i thought i would drop in and say hello from anouther woodsman

last year i built a wood stove a lot like yours on a survival trip with some youths

temp. droped boys were cought off guard!

a shelter was ruffly made, stove made out of rocks and and cans (scavaged)

the shelter was so warm we stayed a few day longer later we came back later and built a simi perm shelter for furtre use (hiden) so others wouldn't take over our little camp!

[pops1861]

greeting dave i thought i would drop in and say hello from anouther woodsman

last year i built a wood stove a lot like yours on a survival trip with some youths

temp. droped boys were cought off guard!

a shelter was ruffly made, stove made out of rocks and and cans (scavaged)

the shelter was so warm we came back later and built a simi perm shelter for furtre use (hiden) so others wouldn't take over our little camp!

[jmg1957]

thanks from mississippi.

[MyPoison77]

Dear David! i love your vid, but i was thinking,if that stove! on the handle you could make it flat ,so you can put your pot and cook on it. don`t you think? thank you Daniel

[BushcraftOnFire]

@MyPoison77

Yes.. that's a great suggestion.. I would just need to weld a flat piece of steel on it.. Thanks :)

[MrRollandMartin]

Thanks ! Love It ! 

[survival101ne]

its not a stove its a shine still lol jkjk alsoyou know wut u shoukd do since tht is a closed stove weld out a cection of the round and thm weld in a a flat round piece for cooking jus saying let me know wut u thnk

[BushcraftOnFire]

@survival101ne

That's a great idea.. flat surfaces are best to cook on!

[tzkelley]

I love the hide/woven mat on top! Nothing beats a tarp...

[MrTubesockproduction]

This is probably the coolest shelter/cabin I have ever seen! I'm an eagle scout and I have made some shelters before but this is awsome. The stove pipe through the rocks looks so cool!

[Caveman0713]

Hey brother, long time no write. I'm curious, what did you mean when you said that quarts has fire in it? I've heard a number of reasons but one has to do with using like a magnifying lens to actually start a fire, I have tried this and found it unsuccessful. Why did you make your statement?

[BushcraftOnFire]

@Caveman0713

Hey Bro! Good to hear from you... Quartz can be rubbed together and will actually emiy a glow. It can also be used like flint to start fires with. Hope that helps Danniele

[jmmurdy]

What kinda of bracelet is that on your right wrist?

[BushcraftOnFire]

@jmmurdy

It's a 550 paracord bracelet that I made a few years back. The clasp has a whistle on it for safety and signaling

[jmmurdy]

@BushcraftOnFire thanks just found some on ebay and amazon

[johnu78]

I've watched this video three times and it gets better each time I watch it. Keep up the great work!

[BigWheelaCatPeelaYea]

Can I buy some chert / flint off you I can't locate any here in Ontario.

[BushcraftOnFire]

@BigWheelaCatPeelaYea

What are you looking for the Chert/Flint for? Ours isn't very good for knapping as it has ALOT of ice cracks and stress fractures in it.

[TUNIQlifestyle]

@BushcraftOnFire i was very recently wondering the same thing. A friend of mine has an EXTENSIVE collection of arrowheads collected from the mouth of the Pic River. (near Marathon, ON) I assume these were made of local flint...theres gotta be useable stuff out there no?

[BushcraftOnFire]

@TUNIQlifestyle

Yes.. I would think there is usable flint/chert up there.. I mean they named a town in Mich after the stuff :)

[Feel4Peace]

Hey Dave I think that first rock that Tam found was a chert nodule. I once found an 8" one. They are very brittle and this one cracked when we took it out of the streambed. They are naturally occurring here in the Missouri limestone.

[BushcraftOnFire]

@Feel4Peace

Yes.. we have quite a bit of chert/flint here in Southern Missouri.. Good eyes Feel!

[bassmaster5597]

a monster can at 1:34

[CrickTroutMaster]

that is so cool, I really want to build one now and take in my hobo stove in the winter!

[Jargin9112]

Good ingenuity on the stove there, brings some good ideas for myself. Thanks for sharing!!

[nedeljkomostar]

10/10 for shelter. Just If I may add my 5 cents...

Heating the shelter as is during the Summer is ok like that but to keep it worm during the cold Winter days you definitely need to plug all holes to keep constant air temperature, otherwise you will have hot air leaks ... what leads to fast interior cooling and more wood to feed that stove.

Also you could build a stove out of those flat rocks and mud... it works as a charm...

[FatmanandSkinnyman]

i have almost the same bracelet as you lol

[bobinmissouri]

yes i am ready for spring lol i am in unionville MO and st joseph MO keep u the great vid's love them gald ya had a great time in cold PA

[bobinmissouri]

was wondering what state you are in thank you in avance for all you teach

[BushcraftOnFire]

Bob..

We are right here in frigid MO! Hope to hear from you soon...

[DaneStolthed]

Dave,

Nice stove, I know that you are trying to make a simple stove using recycled materials; to solve your venting problem you might want to make or buy some B-Vent. It's a double walled vent pipe made of galvanized steel to vent furnaces. The double wall prevents the pipe from getting too hot and starting your roof (shelter) on fire. Be warned though The B-Vent still gets hot.

Great idea for the winter months, Ill be making one soon!

5 Stars

[EnergyDog23]

You should make a video diary of you and yer wife living in that shelter for a week, that would be interesting and it would prove it's effectiness(?)

[BushcraftOnFire]

NRGDog..

Not a bad idea.. If I could find a week in the future.. we may just do that.. Right now we are busier than a one legged soccer player!

PS- It's effective :)

[jmellady]

I never thought of turning an air tank into a little wood stove. Brilliant!

[BANGBANG73]

fantasitc video, love the shelter, lol now I wanna go build.

[HedgehogLeatherworks]

Buddy, this is brilliant... great video Dave!

[BushcraftOnFire]

@HedgehogLeatherworks

Thanks Paul...

Means a great deal coming from you Bro! Blessings.. and Thanks for everything!

[oregonmikes]

Awe... Dave's Monster can got covered up ;-) Looking forward to the next segment.

[woodcrafter76]

Dave, The shelter is coming along nicely. The chimney in my house is shaped the same as this one, so I know it will work .

[wall2rockclimber]

that is a great stove, excellent idea, what about a platform on top to boil water and cook food?

mike

[BushcraftOnFire]

Mike...

We're still weighing the option of cooking on it.. it's a pretty simple fix

[plskiracing]

wat do u mean there is fire inside quartz?

[BushcraftOnFire]

Pls..

I commented on this earlier.. Quartz is a good stone to throw sparks.. and if you rub it quickly with pressure.. it actually glows (I have not done this.. but read that it is so)

[bushcraftourway]

they spark

[clamcrabber]

Hi Dave, Are you looking for tenants? Haha Great job, keep they coming.

[BushcraftOnFire]

The more the merrier Bro :)

[RoZiEism]

You teach great survival skills....thanks.

[MrColt45acp]

Your videos are great!

Thanks for posting.

[eatmorenachos]

Dave, just ignore the naysayers who nitpick over the angle of your "chimney." My sister has a wood burning stove. The chimney pipe goes up a few feet and straight horizontal for a few more feet, and out through the wall.

It's been that way for eons (we knew the guy who used to live there) and she's had work done on it by legitimate contractors so it's obviously up to code.

You're right to keep the exhaust away from the wood and leaves. Nice job! It looks like fun.

[tex1965able]

Nice work david,i´ll like to see your semi permanent shelther in two years from now,i had being watching your channel and i know every time you go there, you will improve it, maybe in two years you´ll have a little castle there with all the servises,have a nice day david.see you later.

[desertsurvivalist]

Dave...That is a great video! You are really industrious. Great job brother!

[jwilson004athotmail]

David,

It's really shaping up nicely isn't it!! Good job on the chimney, even if you get some flack from the "YT Code enforcement" LOL, talk to you soon Brother!!

Jake Wilson

Wilson's Wilderness

[TheAnthemsOfTime]

Dave and Tam,

I LOVE IT! It's really starting to shape up!!! I can't wait to see more. I bet those spiders and bugs went running when you smoked them out!!! God Bless!!!

[copefarms]

you al have to remember none of this is to code its a wood shelter in the woods with tree limbs a tarp and rocks LOL :)

Code enforcement wouldnt allow any of it. Its a wilderness shelter that is probably better built than some buildings I have seen or worked on LOL :) Dont worry about the code just worry about safety and hes got that under control.

[TheTruthDetective1]

chimneys should be vertical 100% of the time.

[BushcraftOnFire]

Truth

No offense intended bro.. but why do they make elbows then?

I KNOW that this isn't "building code" it's a primitive shelter.. I can't possibly go through the roof.. or it would definitely burn the shelter (and possibly the woods) down.

[TheTruthDetective1]

that is just my rule, no big deal

[AaronAlso]

I believe it is also code that there be no more than 1 45deg bend, and no bend less than 45deg. I have seen soot build up in a chimney with 2* 45deg bends and nearly burn a factory down.

Dave,

You may want to consider changing the angle of that chimney. I do not personally feel that it is safe at such a shallow angle. You could be risking a soot fire in the pipe after prolonged use.

[davou000]

wow mate, didnt think you'd get to the flint so quick! You're a true gentleman :)

[Bloodynavallint]

Will you have to smoke out the insects everytime you want to sleep in there or is one time good enough

[BushcraftOnFire]

Bloody..

Not everytime unless it were to be unused for a time. The Natives would regularly "smudge" their shelters for this and other purposes.

[jokertim777]

I hope you will spend a night in your shelter when it is complete. It will be interesting to get data from overnight temperature readings, how much wood was burned, as well as any other observations you might have. Keep up the great work.

[BushcraftOnFire]

Tim...

We definitely plan on it.. we will keep some data logs to monitor these things. Thanks for the request.

[Kaboom0623]

Quartz, when compressed, will generate a SMALL voltage at a regular oscillation. So I would bet that banging two pieces together would get you a spark on a fairly regular basis. If you find a big 1 foot square piece tray compressing it a bit from the sides and you may get a small glow :)

[woodlandcammo27]

Looking good! Glad you are testing all that out! I still think you should go with double wall vent pipe from a hardware store. The girls were onto something though. A rock and mud (mortar) shelter would be about inpervious to many elements.

[beast12101]

looking pretty cozy

[badphobar]

i wonder if a small wood rocket stove would work too.

nice stove.

[StormRider308]

Your shelter just keeps getting more awesome! I'm jealous!

Anyway incase nobody mentioned it I would keep an eye on those elbows in the chimney...the way that is where the can has a couple of inches straight up past where the joint is...that area could eventually form a buildup (especially if you burn resiny wood) as well as get a lot hotter than the rest of the chimney. Something to look out for.

[chrissept21]

ive heard that quarts is good for lighting fires but i dont no how, do i work if like flint?

[AnnieNM06]

Great video. I'm wondering if you'll talk about mods to the stove that make it easier to cook on it.

[pedalpusher101]

Dave it looks like you turned 14 again. Great stove by the way.

[MrCableguyken]

I have a small barrel type grill that I could modify and make a stove like that out of....would be a little bigger, but it already has a chimney, and a door to add fuel. I am going to have to build me a shelter in the woods next door to me and have a hideout....lol

[bq688]

very cool!

[ninjuggalo420]

fresh vid

[ajelliottjr]

I am surprised you did not have a rock slab under the stove, but any way you look at it it is a "Great" job... Nice cabin. Will you make a wilderness cot and chair, to sleep and sit on? Do I smell coffee? When do you move in? 2 or 3 more and you will have a nice little village... - Andy

[Diatonic135]

your semi permanent shelter is starting to look more permanent than my house.

[wolfbrother2501]

hey dave couldnt you use that to smoke hides?

[BushcraftOnFire]

Wolf..

I thought about that.. It's pretty hot smoke coming out of the rock still.. but once I get 4 or 5 more cans on there we will see.. It would be an awesome way to smoke the hides.

[hobbexp]

i just need to say, great video, its really nice to how much time you put in to that shelter,

[carveawoodeneye]

man thats better than any tent i've ever slept in!!

[19ADC67]

love the stove,great job guys!

[sparky6889]

thank's Dave and Tam for another great video!!!

[teriag]

i am addicted to dave and tam vids, the vids just get better and better, i think i might need a dave and tam patch, kinda like a nicotine patch to help wean me off these great vids!!

naw, im just kidding.....:p

i want my bushcraft vids!!!

[sraike]

Great set up with that nifty stove Dave. That ought to keep you quite toasty. Thanks!

[roguepathfinder]

spent the winter of 81/82 in a 16' teepee in Juneau, Ak. That stove will work fine. I'm imprest with your stove pipe. Will suggest a pease of sheet metal for a cooking surface. Luv your vids keep them coming.....Rogue

[msamour]

Nice stove, and chimney. The rock wall was an excellent idea, I think it should also serve a dual purpose. It should retain some heat should the fire go out during the night. Thank you very much, I am learning so much from your videos. Also being only a part time worker, and not having too much money to get into bush crafting, you are doing an excellent job giving me idea that I can afford and try out for myself. Mike, London, On.

[abr1242]

what do you mean the quartz has fire in it?

[BushcraftOnFire]

Just osmething that I have always said Abr..

When we were young we would use quartz to throw sparks from a file.. Inuits use 2 pieces of quartz to make fire (I believe) Rubbing them together will also make a kind of light

[bunkertelevision]

Dave and Tam,

You constantly amaze me with your resourcefulness. Great Video

-Rob

[soarntam]

lol :) Did you want windows? Looking forward to the visit, going to hold you to it now! ;)

[FroggHunter]

Great Video!!! Nice stove design.

[samfisher6]

another neat vid...looks great Dave and family!!