I love Mr. Voris. His direct, hardball approach leaves NO room for wishy-washy fluffy doctrine. It is truly reminiscent of St. Michael, drawing his sword, screaming at Satain "QUIS UT DEUS?!" Which is a moving, powerful, goosebump-inducing story that wouldn't exist without the Mother Church.
I'm not religious but I love Jesus. Why do ALL your churches tell folk when they die they go to Heaven. When my catholic/protestant friends die the priest/rev tells us he/she has went to Heaven. My Bible tells me no one went to Heaven except Jesus. It also tells me when the Lord returns to earth "Thou Kingdom Come Thou will be done on Earth" then he will Judge us all. Thank God Jesus never mentioned protestants and catholic, simply love Jesus and stop speculating. PLEASE.
@Goldie450 You obviously haven't actually READ your Bible - because it is chock full of references to the saints in Heaven. And the verse reads "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done" - that is a REQUEST of God the Father, not a statement of future events. It means we are asking Him to bring about His Kingdom and have people on Earth obey him.
Without the Catholic Church, one cannot love Jesus.
@SaintMichaelsMedia You say it is chock full of references, you will be hard pushed to find more than three,and these are sadly misquoted by most religions.
However what is Obvious IS Jesus said John 3-13 And NO ONE has ascended into HEAVEN but He who Descended from HEAVEN.
Again I ask you! Are you calling Jesus a LAIR! I doubt you'll be giving this comment your Approval as you haven't read your Bible Properly!
@Goldie450 OK, I am done with you. Someone who is so stupidly rude as you are isn't worth my time. Jesus says "ascended into Heaven" - which is ASCENDING. That means going under your own power. Everyone else is assumed - or TAKEN - into Heaven by the power of someone else; God.
As for the references to the Saints in Heaven; try the book of Revelation. Dozens of references right there.
@Goldie450 It's not about "my" or "your" Bible. The Bible is ONE only. There are some that aren't complete, like the one you must have (incomplete and misread totally leads you to Protestantism)
Rubbish - this is just Catholic spin... I can shoot holes in your Catholic doctrine just as easy man. For hundreds of years you held Europe in the grip of darkness, with people paying for salvation until one man came along, Martin Luther, and nailed his thesis on the door of the Wittenburg chapel... What was that revelation?
The JUST shall live by FAITH... and it brought us all out of darkness. Thank God!
@ozBiz2 You mention nothing about Catholic Doctrine in your reply. Please, try to shoot holes in actual doctrine if you think you can. As for Sola Fiede, that is actually not biblical. Read the book of James, read the Gospel of Mathew, read any reference to Judgement in the new testament and it will always be paired with works. Faith without works is dead. You don't earn your way to heaven by works, you get there by faith, but it has to be a living faith. ie expressed thru works (love)
As a matter of interest what is wrong with Protestants? Your taking a huge group of people with many differing beliefs and stereotyping them. As far as having a right or authority to use scripture, who decides that right?
>> a right or authority to use scripture, who decides that right?
The Church who wrote, assembled, follows, and defended the Bible with their blood. Also, the Church who treat the Bible with enough respect to not cut whole books out of it. That would be the Catholics.
Protestants do NOT follow all the teachings of Christ. Protestantism is deficient.
The scripture was not made by the catholic church, or at least there is little evidence to prove that. the Catholic Church was not formally recognized (Created) Until the time of Constantine (emperor of Rome.) This was around 300 years after the death of Christ.
He created the Roman Catholic Church and with them created the Cannon (Deciding what scripture would be included in the bible).
>> He created the Roman Catholic Church and with them created the Cannon
It is spelled ":canon" - and this only highlights your ignorance of these subjects.
The canon of the Bible was created AFTER Constantine - by about 100 years. So, even IF your lies about the Church are true, it was the Roman Catholic Church who created the canon. Thank you for admitting we are right.
@SaintMichaelsMedia I just happened to run across this site. I would be really interested to know what those letter you are talking about are. Could you let me know? thank you.
@SaintMichaelsMedia Thank you, I checked it out,. Very interesting.. I'm not a linguist; I cannot read Latin. But my understanding is that the term "catholic" is an adjective meaning universal. So what "catholic" church was he referring to. Why do you think he is referring to what we call the Roman Catholic church? Also, I seriously doubt that the autograph of this manuscript is available. Is it? What is the source of our current version(s) of this letter?
@newclarence He refers to the bishop, and he is a well-known Catholic (in the sense of loyal to the pope) author. The autograph is unvailable on every single book of the Bible - I doubt you doubt THEIR provenance, despite the fact the authentication comes from the same souce; the Catholic Church.
Also; given your recent activity, I really doubt you are asking these questions as innocently as you would have us believe.
You're a liar. The Catholic Church compiled the Bible in the 4th and 5th centuries. There was not even a complete Bible around that time until the Catholic Church did it.
You've been brainwashed by your bigoted protestant pastor into believing his lies. You need to do your own research into the Catholic Church without the hangups from your johnny come lately protestant church.
@Terrybob123 Only a fool ignorant of history and their content would say that. These books were in the Bible for 1100 years before Martin Luther removed them.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
@Terrybob123 According to the theology of One man. Hardly stands up against 2000 years of Church history and the thousands of theologians who studied the scriptures for centuries.
removing the 7 books from the Bible is Unchristian
the johnny come lately protestants such as luther removed them after 1100 years - I would rather listen to the Church Fathers in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th centuries that listen to you and your pastor
KJV dates back from the 17th century only while the Catholic Bible is compiled by the Church fathers in the early days of Christianity.
By the way, without the Catholic Church, the protestants have no way of compiling a Bible such as the KJV since there will be 35,000 versions of the Bible
You said "sola scriptura is a lie". I am confused. Then why do you quote from the bible? What are the oral traditions that Paul and the other apostles taught that don't appear in the bible?
I have answered this question before - when YOU asked it before! Sola scriptura means "scripture alone". So, non "sola scripture" means "not scripture alone", not "not scripture"!
It is possible to have BOTH / AND and not EITHER / OR.
As for the other Traditions - I refer you to 2000 years of Catholic teaching, which is 1500 more than the Protestants have.
Towards the end of Matthew 16 is a good place to start - there it says people should be taken to the Church if they do not listen. Letter to Timothy calls the Church the pilar and foundation of the truth.
Also; logically, the Bible cannot be the final authority as it was written BY the Church. So, the Bible gets its authority from the Church.
Shame THE BIBLE does NOT say it is the final authority! The BIBLE says THE CHURCH is the final authority!
So, you got your notion that the Bible is the final authority from somewhere ELSE. And you ignored the Bible, thus proving YOU don't treat it with ANY respect.
The holy word of God says in first Timothy 3:15 that the CHURCH is the pilar and foundation of truth. It does NOT point to it's self due to the fact that a CHURCH composed and declared it to be the inspired word of the one true God Father Son and Holy Spirit.
Now you accept the Holy Scriptures but not the CHURCH that gave them to the world. How does that work?
Because he doesn't want to be! The Church doesn't just make everyone who cares about the faith a priest - it's not a "promotion". People are called to different things - and Michael is not called to be a Priest.
Protestants dont really believe in S/S; walk into any large protestant bookstore and the array of bible commentaries and theology and "one editor" Bibles from folks like John McArthur and John Hagee totally BETRAYS S/S.
but they don't, just know that they have limitations, and they are fulfilling their duties as a priest, which is primarily to offer the sacraments to the faithful. Hope that helps! God bless.
Dear TheDisneylandSlasher, I used to ask that question a couple of years back, when I was questioning my faith. A kind friend I confined in shared with me that there are actually many resources out there to read... it is whether we would make the effort to search, seek and find. through self-discovery that's when you learn most. I think priests are seriously overwhelmed with work (at least from the region I come from). Of course, some priests devoted to preaching would give good homilies, but
SMM is doing a great job here. As a Catholic having talked to many Protestants, it can be frustrating to make them see reason and logic. I might add here that the Catholic Church brought the world through barbaric times and saved souls before the bible was printed or affordable.
Also, what colleges and universities should i look at for a good philsophy/theology program? i was wondering if you had any experience with this and i could use some help. Thanks
Assembling all books to form the Holy Bible, doesn't mean that the Catholic Church, Is The Church, that was organized by Jesus Himself. But is the Bible complete?
SMM is my favorite YT channel!!! I love the way they shun the evil doers and chase away those weak, stupid, self righteous, self proclaiming "Christians" away from the One True Faith. Now if every Catholic would only show the love of God the way they do who knows what could happen to the RCC!!! Go Micheal!!
So to finish, read your little book if that gives you comfort, but don't go preaching to people about how they are going to hell when your crowd cannot even agree on what form that takes. In the miniscule and unlikely event that you are right, at least I'll have free central heating. Whereas in the event that I'm right and we all just go to a hole in the ground, then everything you've dedicated your life to will have been false. Who do you think would be more pissed off.
>> In the miniscule and unlikely event that you are right, at least I'll have free central heating. Whereas in the event that I'm right and we all just go to a hole in the ground, then everything you've dedicated your life to will have been false. Who do you think would be more pissed off.
That would be you. If I am wrong, I suffer nothing. If you are wrong, you suffer an eternity of pain and torment. It's not "free central heating".
To be fair as someone who was born and raised Catholic, one thing I have to give it credit for is that other than in mass, you don't hear much about individual passages of the bible. That said, I still don't believe it anymore but at least catholicism isn't dependent on the bible alone.
>> other than in mass, you don't hear much about individual passages of the bible.
Well, that's not true - there are loads of Bible studies and so forth. And you can attend Mass every single day and hear pretty much the whole Bible in about three years.
>> That said, I still don't believe it anymore
That is a shame, as you are risking going to Hell by rejecting Christ. I would urge you to come home.
I'm not rejecting anyone, simply choosing to follow logic and reason over a book written by a few beardy fellas a few thousand years ago.
As for hell, well any 'God' who sends people to hell for disagreeing with them is worse than Hitler and I would not want anything to do with him even if there was a compelling argument for his existence. Which there isn't.
Believe what you want and read your little book if that gives you comfort, but don't dictate to others what they should believe.
Oh, that's genuinely funny - please send my your arguments written in a logical format. You're not deciding this logically - you are simply saying you don't want to be Christian because it's hard.
>> any 'God' who sends people to hell for disagreeing with them
That's not how it works - would you like to know why people go to Hell? They choose to do so because to be in the presence of God as a sinner would be worse than being in Hell.
>> if there was a compelling argument for his existence. Which there isn't.
There are many - might I direct you to read Aristotle and Aquinas? If you have genuinely studied logic and reason then these documents will be old friends :)
>> don't dictate to others what they should believe.
I'm not - I'm trying to save you from a fate worse than death. And what do I get? Godwin's Law! "Worse than Hitler"? Think of something a little more compelling - it just makes your argument look weak.
Some very good points, StMikes. Perhaps to offer a slightly different take on this issue: God doesn't send people to hell, but rather, to willfully deny his existence is akin to choosing eternal separation from him who is love.
Having said that, Salvation is possible for those who have not heard Christ (according to Catholic theology). For instance, people who have not had the chance to hear of Christ, or those who rejected the faith out of personal bias/prejudice against Catholics e.g. Ghandi
>> those who rejected the faith out of personal bias/prejudice against Catholics e.g. Ghandi
There is no teaching of that sort - those who REJECT are normatively condemned to Hell. They MAY be saved, but there is no formal teaching.
Also, it is very dangerous to use a specific person as an example - that could imply that Ghandi is definitely saved. This is something we cannot definitively say or even possibly say.
"I am the living Bread that came down from heaven :whoever eats this bread will live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life , and I will raise him on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink l."
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."
Romans 3:28 is a key verse in the differences between traditional Protestants andCatholics. You will notice that Paul says a man is justified by faith (pistei in Greek). When Martin Luther translated the letter to the Romans into German in the sixteenth century, he added the word alone but alone is not in the original Greek text. The phrase "faith alone" does occur in the New Testament: Catholic answers
Paul is talking about that they are not justified by the works of the old testement system. Romans 3:28 We declare that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the OLD LAW.
yes, and in Eph. 2:8-10 "For by grace you are saved through faith, and not of yourselfs, it is the gift from God, not of any works lest any man sould do" is actually talking about the intial grace of baptisim.We can tell by comparing the language used in 1 Peter 20-21 and Titus 3:5.
Crazynoah, I read my bible every night and the truth God has revealed to me is to continue in my journey and even strengthen my faith and works with him and his church(Catholic Church).
And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. And being with child . . . she brought forth a male child, who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to his throne. . . . And the dragon was angered at the woman, and went away to wage war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and hold fast the testimony of Jesus.--Revelations 12:1-2,5,17.
T]he Lord said to Peter, 'On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven' [Matt. 16:18--19]. . . . The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
Here's what I don't understand: one of the main points of Sola Scriptura is "I interpret the Bible my way and no one can tell me how to interpret it." Then, when we show Sola Scriptura adherents verses in the Bible that refute the concept, they respond "you're interpreting it wrong!"
Believers in Sola Scriptura contend that the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth to them and therefore they know the actual meaning of whatever verses may be in dispute between two or more individuals. Having believed this, they then consider themselves justified in denouncing others' interpretation. thus there argument.
"[Paul commands,] 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter' [2 Thess. 2:15]. From this it is clear that they did not hand down everything by letter, but there is much also that was not written. Like that which was written, the unwritten too is worthy of belief. So let us regard the tradition of the Church also as worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no further" John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, AD 402.
The term "full of grace" in the Greek implies one who was already previously graced. Mary is not perceived on the same level of Jesus in the Catholic tradition whatsoever. Mary is an intercessor, not a mediator. She leads us to Christ. John 2:5 Mary was indeed Blessed by God, noticed by her cousin Elizabeth: Luke 1:41-43 Interpreting scripture "through the eyes of Catholicism," is the way the Bible was meant to be interpreted; Scripture presupposes the Church; the Church came first.
It's not pride, bro. It's the same reason I don't refer to myself or any other saved individual as "The Blessed Mr./Mrs. Jones." Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us. God found favor in Mary to carry the Savior in her womb, and He has found favor in me by saving me and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in me. Going on your statements, you should start referring to me as "The Blessed Graphxguy777."
BTW, Mary was not visited by the Trinity, but by an angel of God.
First,"Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us." What an ignorant statement! Since when an angel appear to you and have the salvation of the world incanate inside you?!
However much the Holy Spirit lives in you, it isn't to the same degree He did in Mary. She is His spouse. You are not.
Since you are the spuse of the Holy Spirit, you'll forgive me if I don't call you Blessed.
Lastly - the Trinity did visit her. Read again, carefully.
The Holy Spirit will come upon you (God the Holy Spirit)and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. (God the Father) so the child to be born to you will be the Son of God. (God the Son).
Exactly which person is missing from the Holy Trinity in that event?
Okay.. but your Catholic church, also, correcting me if i'm wrong, says that Mary was born from a virgin, and that she stayed a virgin all her life... is that in the bible?
>> After... then why does Jesus say to Mary. "Woman, he is your son" John 19:26.
Are you seriously advancing the notion that John the disciple was the physical child of the Virgin Mary? Jesus gives Mary into the care of John precisely BECAUSE she has no other children! Jesus is not saying that John is her physical child, but rather "John, take care of my mother - who has no-one else to take care of her."
>> Are you saying this because it is in the Bible, if so, prove it
Tell you what - how about YOU prove your unspoken assertion that everything a Christian needs to be is in the Bible? I'm willing to bet that you can't - simply because it is philosophically impossible. Not to mention the fact that the Bible doesn't say that . . .
>> because your church has led you to believe this?
The Church founded personally by Jesus teaches this. Martin Luther, John Calvin and all the rest of the reformers taught this. Everyone teaches this. Except your modern Christian communities, of course. I believe this because the Church taught it. That would be the same Church that wrote the Bible and protected it with the blood of the martyrs for over 1000 years before the Protestants appeared. A little respect, please.
>> Are you saying this because it is in the Bible, if so, prove it
Anyway, to answer this question; Jesus gives His mother into the care of the Beloved Disciple (who is acutally unnamed, but which CATHOLIC Tradition - remember, that same Tradition which you denegrate) says was John. He would not do this if she had other children (or, for that matter, a husband) still living. This is a simple matter of historical fact.
Of course, all of Mary's other children could have died - but that rather stretching credibility, don't you think?
So, no - it's not explicit in the Bible, but it also never said "Mary had sex!" So we have to go to other sources. I go to the people who were taught by the Apostles (the Church Fathers) who make it clear that Mary was a Virgin. You go . . . to yourself.
Sorry - but you just don't QUITE have the same ring of authenticity as they do!
Our Lord Jesus Christ work is done. He is again resuming His Godly role. That is why He called Mary "Woman". However, Our Lord God Jesus Christ gave His mother to us. Oh mother mary, why do they hate you? Why can't they love you the way your son Our risen Lord Jesus Christ loves you? Why do they often equate us 'loving' you as us worshiping you? My brothers and sisters, it is not us thinking too highly of mother mary. It is you thinking so lowly of our God.
"Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us." I really hope you reflect on that statement..in prayer. NO ONE will ever do again what God did with Mary. He chose her above all women..God created His own mother and you are telling me that she is not special for her purpose? That God's plan for His mother was not unique and vastly different than His plan for you? I think you need to stop listening to your pastors rhetoric and think about what you are saying. OY!!
The Protestant view of Mary which you see as "dissing" is a scriptural view. The eyes you see her with are through the eyes of Catholicism. You've placed her on almost the same keel as our Savior, stopping short of calling her divine. God found favor with her just like He found favor with Noah, Abraham and David, the latter of which He called "a man after my own heart:, Acts 13:22. Why are there no statues, prayers or figurines of these great men of God whom God also found favor with?
3) While we are to be very thankful to God for Mary, we are not to pray to her or carry around, or place in our churches, any images of her. This constitutes idol worship. Mary cannot even come close to being placed on the same level with Jesus. Jesus himself distances himself from her in Mark 3:32-34; placing more importance on the the multitudes around Him who were desiring His teaching than His mother and brothers.
Bottom line, Mary came from the same seed we all did.
Oh really. Tell me EXACTKY HOW protestants are "thankful" for Mary. If it weren't for nativity scenes once a year, Protestants would never give her a thought.
Carrying your savior in her womb, she declared "ALL generation will call me Blessed."
This si why Catholics call her the Blessed Virgin Mary - because Sacred Scripture prophecied it.
NO Protestant calls her - "Blessed Virgin Mary" as Scripture says. They diss her with lip service. Tell me how and when you call her BLESSED.
Because of Pride, Protestant refuse to use that term "Blessed Virgin Mary" because it would be seen as "giving in to Rome".
Protestants can continue to follow their man made (Luther, Calvin) johnny-come-lately false gospel.
Catholics will continue following what Scripture ACTUALLY says. Which afterall is very easy for us, since the CAtholic Church produced the Bible in the first place.
You have clearly, in your own words, explained why the Catholic church should not be considered a legitimate church. Your misrepresentation of Mary speaks volumes as to your distance from the real gospel. How?
1) Romans 3:23; "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." Not everyone except Mary.
2) What translation of the Bible are you using? I have found no translation that says Mary was full of grace; only "found favor with God," or "you have found grace."
You have proved the point very well why people should not use Protestant Bibles, NOR interpret them themselves.
The Protestant "hang-up" with Mary is downright nasty. The Holy Trinity came to Her in person so she could provide Christ with the body He used to redeem you, thereby granting the POSSIBILITY of salvation to you.
And Protestants continnue to diss Her as though she was just some piece of luggae that God used and never had need of again.
he didn;t make us all perfect because we all were not destined from all Eternity to be the woman in whom HE would assume human nature.
I find it very difficult to believe that Protestants simply refuse to see that the woman GOD HIMSELF CHOSE FROM ALL ETERNITY is not somehow better than the rest us.
kyle, us all being perfect was Gods original desire for us. Thus..Adam and Eve who were made perfect. Then the fall...and God's incredible mercy to give us a new Adam in Christ, and a new Eve, in Mary. Both perfectly OBEY the Father and now we in our fallen state have a way to resurrection. God loves us enough to allow us all perfection once again, through with and in Jesus Christ. He is an awesome God indeed!
mary wasnt holy. she was human and thus by default she was born like we are : children born as children under wrath. she needed a savior, thus since she needed a savior that proves that she was with sin that needed to be forgiven. nothing sinful is both sinful and holy at the same time.
Secondly, if God wants His Mother to be Holy and not touched by sin, then By God, She is going to be Holy and be without sin.
And thirdly, the merits of Christ's suffering were simply applied to her in advance of His crucifixion because God does not have to operate in time. He's outside of time.
"And Mary said: 'My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.'" (Luke 1:47) (NAB) (1145) Mary was human and she herself said she needed a savior from sin.
marry is indeed holy why cuz she's in heaven she's a saint thats what saint means a person who lived a holy life u get a description of her in the book of revelation and as the ark of the covenant was holy she is the new ark of the covenant so she is holy
she's not divine though she is our mother and we should obey gods commandment that says honor ur mother and father
If the catholic church is THE bible based church, why is it that it does not follow it word for word. It clearly states in the bible that we shall not worship idols. And yet, catholics carry crucifexes and images of the "holy" mary.
If carrying an image was the same as worshipping it, that would be true. But it's not - we honor the figures which are represented by the images. In the same way as you do not love a photograph of your mother, but may carry or look at one so that you can be reminded of her.
Also, why do you put "holy" in inverted commas? Are you suggesting that the woman who said "Yes" to God and carried Jesus in her worb, WASN'T holy? What an arrogant, prideful position!
She was the mother of Jesus, a very important person, but clearly not devine as Jesus or the holy trinity, who indeed deserve such title. No, it is not pride, simply a belief based on bible facts.
The word "holy" does not mean divine. If we thought that Mary was divine, we would call her the Blessed Divine Mary. But, she's not, so we don't. Read the first chapter of Luke, and then tell me that Mary isn't holy. She's certainly not divine, but she is a holy person.
Where does it say that she is holy? It clearly does not say that. It only goes as far as saying she was "highly favored" (verse 28), but does not mention holy at any time. To interpret that mary is holy can also be considered arrogant and prideful as you said. After Jesus' death, she is not even mentioned in the Bible anymore, and catholics go as far as calling her the 'mother of the church'. Arrogant and prideful.
Yes, it's true that we don't believe Mary was divine. But, we also do not believe that she was a sinless human. She committed sins, too, as she's another imperfect being. She was chosen by God to be our Savior's mother because God found her more worthy for the name or was agreeable by His eyes. Who knows, but He chose her.
It says an angel said she was "Full of grace" - a term used used for no one else. If the original choice to reject or accept the God was given to a sinless virgin (Eve), why wouldn't God save the human race by the choice of another sinless virgin (Mary).
That is exactly what happened. One sinless virgin chose to reject God - the race was condemned. A second sinless virgin chose to obey God - the race was redeemed.
but I don't understand. I believed that the Virgin commit less sin than the rest of us. She was closer to perfect than the rest of us. I didn't think she'd be sinless since Adam and Eve ate the apple. Sin, therefore, is inevitable. She also needed Jesus to save her, as she is a part of the sinful human race. Explain to me my misconception, please, if you don't mind. Thanks.
You are correct in saying that Mary needed Jesus to save her. He did save her.
But He (who is outside time) saved her in advance - in anticiaption of his sacrifice on the cross.
I can save a person in two different ways. I can save the guy after he falls down the hole OR i can save him by preventing him from falling down the hole.
Because Mary is another human being; whom is also a descendent of Adam and Eve. So, isn't sin inevitable for all humans? Isn't that why Jesus died, so he could save us ALL from Hell? I'm confused.
Original Sin is not inevitable. It is, however, the normal state for humans. But Mary was not normal - she was protected from the consequences of Original Sin by her immaculate conception. It is correct to say that Jesus saved her, because it was Jesus' death which preserved her from that. But this was applied BEFORE she was born, at the time of her conception.
Did God deliberately create her to be perfect and free from sins, or did He create her with the choice we have to whether commit sins or not? And if the Original Sin is not inevitable, why do we all have to be baptized to be washed from the Original Sin? I'm sorry if I'm bothering you with my misconception. But thanks for responding.
You know, I was taught that when I was young; that the Virgin is flawless. But somehow, along the way, something confusing was brought forth to me. Thank you so much for clearing them up. God bless you and have a wonderful New Year! =)
What Bible version is that? i don't think its the Douay-Rheims.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MysticalCity Probably not - probably the NAB which is the Bible used in the USA for Mass readings.
SaintMichaelsMedia 7 months ago
I love Mr. Voris. His direct, hardball approach leaves NO room for wishy-washy fluffy doctrine. It is truly reminiscent of St. Michael, drawing his sword, screaming at Satain "QUIS UT DEUS?!" Which is a moving, powerful, goosebump-inducing story that wouldn't exist without the Mother Church.
VirFortunaeLucisque 1 year ago
I'm not religious but I love Jesus. Why do ALL your churches tell folk when they die they go to Heaven. When my catholic/protestant friends die the priest/rev tells us he/she has went to Heaven. My Bible tells me no one went to Heaven except Jesus. It also tells me when the Lord returns to earth "Thou Kingdom Come Thou will be done on Earth" then he will Judge us all. Thank God Jesus never mentioned protestants and catholic, simply love Jesus and stop speculating. PLEASE.
Goldie450 1 year ago
@Goldie450 You obviously haven't actually READ your Bible - because it is chock full of references to the saints in Heaven. And the verse reads "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done" - that is a REQUEST of God the Father, not a statement of future events. It means we are asking Him to bring about His Kingdom and have people on Earth obey him.
Without the Catholic Church, one cannot love Jesus.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago 10
@SaintMichaelsMedia You say it is chock full of references, you will be hard pushed to find more than three,and these are sadly misquoted by most religions.
However what is Obvious IS Jesus said John 3-13 And NO ONE has ascended into HEAVEN but He who Descended from HEAVEN.
Again I ask you! Are you calling Jesus a LAIR! I doubt you'll be giving this comment your Approval as you haven't read your Bible Properly!
Goldie450 1 year ago
@Goldie450 OK, I am done with you. Someone who is so stupidly rude as you are isn't worth my time. Jesus says "ascended into Heaven" - which is ASCENDING. That means going under your own power. Everyone else is assumed - or TAKEN - into Heaven by the power of someone else; God.
As for the references to the Saints in Heaven; try the book of Revelation. Dozens of references right there.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago 6
@Goldie450 It's not about "my" or "your" Bible. The Bible is ONE only. There are some that aren't complete, like the one you must have (incomplete and misread totally leads you to Protestantism)
ChrisDaron 1 year ago
Rubbish - this is just Catholic spin... I can shoot holes in your Catholic doctrine just as easy man. For hundreds of years you held Europe in the grip of darkness, with people paying for salvation until one man came along, Martin Luther, and nailed his thesis on the door of the Wittenburg chapel... What was that revelation?
The JUST shall live by FAITH... and it brought us all out of darkness. Thank God!
ozBiz2 1 year ago
@ozBiz2 >> I can shoot holes in your Catholic doctrine just as easy man
I note that you don't, though. You just say you can. So, I think you're a liar.
>> nailed his thesis on the door of the Wittenburg chapel... What was that revelation?
No, that was a fat drunken German who used to throw excrement at walls vandalizing a Church. That's what you follow?
Luther's own theology doesn't make sense. It is logically inconsistent.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago 4
@SaintMichaelsMedia
so what things does the catholic church do diferently to other churches that makes it the true church
JermsA320 11 months ago
@JermsA320 Follows EVERYTHING Jesus taught, valid Orders, sacraments (esp. the Eucharist)
SaintMichaelsMedia 11 months ago 4
@ozBiz2 You mention nothing about Catholic Doctrine in your reply. Please, try to shoot holes in actual doctrine if you think you can. As for Sola Fiede, that is actually not biblical. Read the book of James, read the Gospel of Mathew, read any reference to Judgement in the new testament and it will always be paired with works. Faith without works is dead. You don't earn your way to heaven by works, you get there by faith, but it has to be a living faith. ie expressed thru works (love)
rap122462 1 year ago
I have three words for Michael Vorris= I love you.
LiaBSakura 1 year ago
Great!!!
johnwest360 1 year ago
great and true videos!!
navidor 1 year ago
As a matter of interest what is wrong with Protestants? Your taking a huge group of people with many differing beliefs and stereotyping them. As far as having a right or authority to use scripture, who decides that right?
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
@NightHawkBomber001 >> what is wrong with Protestants?
They reject teachings of God.
>> a right or authority to use scripture, who decides that right?
The Church who wrote, assembled, follows, and defended the Bible with their blood. Also, the Church who treat the Bible with enough respect to not cut whole books out of it. That would be the Catholics.
Protestants do NOT follow all the teachings of Christ. Protestantism is deficient.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
@SaintMichaelsMedia How do they reject the teachings of God?
The scripture was not made by the catholic church, or at least there is little evidence to prove that. the Catholic Church was not formally recognized (Created) Until the time of Constantine (emperor of Rome.) This was around 300 years after the death of Christ.
He created the Roman Catholic Church and with them created the Cannon (Deciding what scripture would be included in the bible).
NightHawkBomber001 1 year ago
@NightHawkBomber001 >> How do they reject the teachings of God?
No Eucharist, no sacraments, no Church.
>> Catholic Church was not formally recognized (Created) Until the time of Constantine
Rubbish. Constantine was around in the 300s. We have letters in the 100s which mention the Catholic Church.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
>> He created the Roman Catholic Church and with them created the Cannon
It is spelled ":canon" - and this only highlights your ignorance of these subjects.
The canon of the Bible was created AFTER Constantine - by about 100 years. So, even IF your lies about the Church are true, it was the Roman Catholic Church who created the canon. Thank you for admitting we are right.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
@SaintMichaelsMedia I just happened to run across this site. I would be really interested to know what those letter you are talking about are. Could you let me know? thank you.
newclarence 1 year ago
@newclarence Letter of Saint Ignatius of Antioch, to the Smyrnaeans
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
@SaintMichaelsMedia Thank you, I checked it out,. Very interesting.. I'm not a linguist; I cannot read Latin. But my understanding is that the term "catholic" is an adjective meaning universal. So what "catholic" church was he referring to. Why do you think he is referring to what we call the Roman Catholic church? Also, I seriously doubt that the autograph of this manuscript is available. Is it? What is the source of our current version(s) of this letter?
newclarence 1 year ago
@newclarence He refers to the bishop, and he is a well-known Catholic (in the sense of loyal to the pope) author. The autograph is unvailable on every single book of the Bible - I doubt you doubt THEIR provenance, despite the fact the authentication comes from the same souce; the Catholic Church.
Also; given your recent activity, I really doubt you are asking these questions as innocently as you would have us believe.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
@NightHawkBomber001
You're a liar. The Catholic Church compiled the Bible in the 4th and 5th centuries. There was not even a complete Bible around that time until the Catholic Church did it.
You've been brainwashed by your bigoted protestant pastor into believing his lies. You need to do your own research into the Catholic Church without the hangups from your johnny come lately protestant church.
tacotony24 1 year ago
KJV 4-ever
KingJamesPreacher454 2 years ago
How can it be KJV forever when the KJV is less than 400 years old? And why would we want to use the KJV when it is missing 7 whole books?
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago 3
@SaintMichaelsMedia maybe, because those 7 books probably aren't christian.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Only a fool ignorant of history and their content would say that. These books were in the Bible for 1100 years before Martin Luther removed them.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
SaintMichaelsMedia 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 According to the theology of One man. Hardly stands up against 2000 years of Church history and the thousands of theologians who studied the scriptures for centuries.
nexxt87 1 year ago
@Terrybob123
removing the 7 books from the Bible is Unchristian
the johnny come lately protestants such as luther removed them after 1100 years - I would rather listen to the Church Fathers in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th centuries that listen to you and your pastor
tacotony24 1 year ago
@KingJamesPreacher454
You need to repent for lying in your statement
KJV dates back from the 17th century only while the Catholic Bible is compiled by the Church fathers in the early days of Christianity.
By the way, without the Catholic Church, the protestants have no way of compiling a Bible such as the KJV since there will be 35,000 versions of the Bible
tacotony24 1 year ago
You said "sola scriptura is a lie". I am confused. Then why do you quote from the bible? What are the oral traditions that Paul and the other apostles taught that don't appear in the bible?
bornagainsaint1 2 years ago
I have answered this question before - when YOU asked it before! Sola scriptura means "scripture alone". So, non "sola scripture" means "not scripture alone", not "not scripture"!
It is possible to have BOTH / AND and not EITHER / OR.
As for the other Traditions - I refer you to 2000 years of Catholic teaching, which is 1500 more than the Protestants have.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
And, again, I ask my other question again - why do Protestants quote from the Bible when they have no right or authority to do so?
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
Why does the catholic church quote from the bible,when it doesn't believe in sola scriptura?
bornagainsaint1 2 years ago
Because the Catholic Church wrote it, and saying "not sola scriptura" is NOT the same as "no scripture". We recognise BOTH scripture and Tradition.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
As a matter of interest, why do Protestants quote from the Bible when they have no right or authority to do so?
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
Where does it say in the bible that the church is the final authority?
mechfabs 2 years ago
Towards the end of Matthew 16 is a good place to start - there it says people should be taken to the Church if they do not listen. Letter to Timothy calls the Church the pilar and foundation of the truth.
Also; logically, the Bible cannot be the final authority as it was written BY the Church. So, the Bible gets its authority from the Church.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
Mt. 18:17
1 Timothy 3:1
Should I continue?
What about the Council of Hippo...which compiled the Bible you are using now?
nilofc 2 years ago
The bible is the' final authority in all matters of faith and practices !
krisv001 2 years ago
Shame THE BIBLE does NOT say it is the final authority! The BIBLE says THE CHURCH is the final authority!
So, you got your notion that the Bible is the final authority from somewhere ELSE. And you ignored the Bible, thus proving YOU don't treat it with ANY respect.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
Hello krisv001 greetings from Stockton Ca
The holy word of God says in first Timothy 3:15 that the CHURCH is the pilar and foundation of truth. It does NOT point to it's self due to the fact that a CHURCH composed and declared it to be the inspired word of the one true God Father Son and Holy Spirit.
Now you accept the Holy Scriptures but not the CHURCH that gave them to the world. How does that work?
Lucy splain this to me.
Keep the love and peace
1tim315carlos 2 years ago 2
@krisv001 --if you can find me book chapter and verse for "sola scriptura", ill buy you lunch for a month. Deal?
TheBlackPhantom454 2 years ago 2
Mr Voris: why are you not a priest yet ?
TheBlackPhantom454 2 years ago
Because he doesn't want to be! The Church doesn't just make everyone who cares about the faith a priest - it's not a "promotion". People are called to different things - and Michael is not called to be a Priest.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
Well..actually...he is...by virtue of his baptism. We all are....Priest, Prophet and King.
But he is not a ministerial priest.
nilofc 2 years ago
Protestants dont really believe in S/S; walk into any large protestant bookstore and the array of bible commentaries and theology and "one editor" Bibles from folks like John McArthur and John Hagee totally BETRAYS S/S.
TheBlackPhantom454 2 years ago
"Protestants dont really believe in S/S"
Well, of course not - it is impossible! How can you even know what IS Scripture without going OUTSIDE Scripture for the answer?
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
but they don't, just know that they have limitations, and they are fulfilling their duties as a priest, which is primarily to offer the sacraments to the faithful. Hope that helps! God bless.
Frappacinomj85 2 years ago
Why dont the preist on sunday actually teach us anything about our faith? Its as if they dont even care if we remain ignorant.
TheDisneylandSlasher 2 years ago 2
Dear TheDisneylandSlasher, I used to ask that question a couple of years back, when I was questioning my faith. A kind friend I confined in shared with me that there are actually many resources out there to read... it is whether we would make the effort to search, seek and find. through self-discovery that's when you learn most. I think priests are seriously overwhelmed with work (at least from the region I come from). Of course, some priests devoted to preaching would give good homilies, but
Frappacinomj85 2 years ago
SMM is doing a great job here. As a Catholic having talked to many Protestants, it can be frustrating to make them see reason and logic. I might add here that the Catholic Church brought the world through barbaric times and saved souls before the bible was printed or affordable.
Also, what colleges and universities should i look at for a good philsophy/theology program? i was wondering if you had any experience with this and i could use some help. Thanks
dropstep55 2 years ago
Assembling all books to form the Holy Bible, doesn't mean that the Catholic Church, Is The Church, that was organized by Jesus Himself. But is the Bible complete?
leSavaii 2 years ago
>> Assembling all books to form the Holy Bible, doesn't mean that the Catholic Church, Is The Church, that was organized by Jesus Himself.
If the Bible is truly the word of God, then the organization chosen by God to give it to humanity MUST be the one true Church.
>> But is the Bible complete?
Yes, of course it is. Well, the CATHOLIC Bible is. Protestants have cut huge chunks out of it.
SaintMichaelsMedia 2 years ago
SMM is my favorite YT channel!!! I love the way they shun the evil doers and chase away those weak, stupid, self righteous, self proclaiming "Christians" away from the One True Faith. Now if every Catholic would only show the love of God the way they do who knows what could happen to the RCC!!! Go Micheal!!
ccccccccpppppppp 2 years ago 7
So to finish, read your little book if that gives you comfort, but don't go preaching to people about how they are going to hell when your crowd cannot even agree on what form that takes. In the miniscule and unlikely event that you are right, at least I'll have free central heating. Whereas in the event that I'm right and we all just go to a hole in the ground, then everything you've dedicated your life to will have been false. Who do you think would be more pissed off.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
>> In the miniscule and unlikely event that you are right, at least I'll have free central heating. Whereas in the event that I'm right and we all just go to a hole in the ground, then everything you've dedicated your life to will have been false. Who do you think would be more pissed off.
That would be you. If I am wrong, I suffer nothing. If you are wrong, you suffer an eternity of pain and torment. It's not "free central heating".
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
To be fair as someone who was born and raised Catholic, one thing I have to give it credit for is that other than in mass, you don't hear much about individual passages of the bible. That said, I still don't believe it anymore but at least catholicism isn't dependent on the bible alone.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
>> other than in mass, you don't hear much about individual passages of the bible.
Well, that's not true - there are loads of Bible studies and so forth. And you can attend Mass every single day and hear pretty much the whole Bible in about three years.
>> That said, I still don't believe it anymore
That is a shame, as you are risking going to Hell by rejecting Christ. I would urge you to come home.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
I'm not rejecting anyone, simply choosing to follow logic and reason over a book written by a few beardy fellas a few thousand years ago.
As for hell, well any 'God' who sends people to hell for disagreeing with them is worse than Hitler and I would not want anything to do with him even if there was a compelling argument for his existence. Which there isn't.
Believe what you want and read your little book if that gives you comfort, but don't dictate to others what they should believe.
Doniedaff 3 years ago
>> I'm simply choosing to follow logic and reason
Oh, that's genuinely funny - please send my your arguments written in a logical format. You're not deciding this logically - you are simply saying you don't want to be Christian because it's hard.
>> any 'God' who sends people to hell for disagreeing with them
That's not how it works - would you like to know why people go to Hell? They choose to do so because to be in the presence of God as a sinner would be worse than being in Hell.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
>> if there was a compelling argument for his existence. Which there isn't.
There are many - might I direct you to read Aristotle and Aquinas? If you have genuinely studied logic and reason then these documents will be old friends :)
>> don't dictate to others what they should believe.
I'm not - I'm trying to save you from a fate worse than death. And what do I get? Godwin's Law! "Worse than Hitler"? Think of something a little more compelling - it just makes your argument look weak.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
Some very good points, StMikes. Perhaps to offer a slightly different take on this issue: God doesn't send people to hell, but rather, to willfully deny his existence is akin to choosing eternal separation from him who is love.
Having said that, Salvation is possible for those who have not heard Christ (according to Catholic theology). For instance, people who have not had the chance to hear of Christ, or those who rejected the faith out of personal bias/prejudice against Catholics e.g. Ghandi
rannethtan 3 years ago
>> those who rejected the faith out of personal bias/prejudice against Catholics e.g. Ghandi
There is no teaching of that sort - those who REJECT are normatively condemned to Hell. They MAY be saved, but there is no formal teaching.
Also, it is very dangerous to use a specific person as an example - that could imply that Ghandi is definitely saved. This is something we cannot definitively say or even possibly say.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
I could listen to this man all day - excellent teaching... and with such conviction.
ukcatholic 3 years ago
me too :) totally agree!
nta982 3 years ago
"I am the living Bread that came down from heaven :whoever eats this bread will live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life , and I will raise him on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink l."
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."
teresasfsol 3 years ago
Romans 3:28 is a key verse in the differences between traditional Protestants andCatholics. You will notice that Paul says a man is justified by faith (pistei in Greek). When Martin Luther translated the letter to the Romans into German in the sixteenth century, he added the word alone but alone is not in the original Greek text. The phrase "faith alone" does occur in the New Testament: Catholic answers
teresasfsol 3 years ago 2
Paul is talking about that they are not justified by the works of the old testement system. Romans 3:28 We declare that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the OLD LAW.
njcatholic 3 years ago
>> We declare that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the OLD LAW.
Very true - which is why James says that those who believe they are justified by faith alone are ignoramuses.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
yes, and in Eph. 2:8-10 "For by grace you are saved through faith, and not of yourselfs, it is the gift from God, not of any works lest any man sould do" is actually talking about the intial grace of baptisim.We can tell by comparing the language used in 1 Peter 20-21 and Titus 3:5.
njcatholic 3 years ago
Born WITHOUT org. sin no less Assumed into Heaven body and soul Catholics MUST believe
SAYYOURROSARY 3 years ago
Matt. 10:1,40 - Jesus declares to His apostles, "he who receives you, receives Me, and he who rejects you, rejects Me and the One who sent Me."
teresasfsol 3 years ago
1. catholics ask the priest(man) to forgive them
2. catholics worship mary
3. catholics pray to statues
4. catholics dont read there bibles ,the priest reads it to them and interprets it.
1. you have to ask God to forgive you
2. Jesus christ is the ONLY way to get to the father
3. do not worship false idols
4. you must read your bible and God will reveal his truth to you.
catholicism is traditional ceremonies
crazynoah 3 years ago
>1 catholics ask the priest(man) to forgive them
>2 catholics worship mary
1 No we don't. We ask for God's forgiveness THROUGH the agency of a man specifically given that power BY God.
2 No we don't. We only worship God.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
>3 catholics pray to statues
>4 catholics dont read there bibles ,the priest reads it to them and interprets it.
3 No we don't. We pray to saints and God, not statues.
4 Catholics read their Bibles all the time - and the Church encourages that.
Wow - you are four for four on errors. That takes SOME doing . . .
>> catholicism is traditional ceremonies
Yes, it is. It is traditional ceremonies given to us by God. What are you? Traditions given by men who follow a drunken German.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
Crazynoah, I read my bible every night and the truth God has revealed to me is to continue in my journey and even strengthen my faith and works with him and his church(Catholic Church).
jplewis002 3 years ago
And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. And being with child . . . she brought forth a male child, who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to his throne. . . . And the dragon was angered at the woman, and went away to wage war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and hold fast the testimony of Jesus.--Revelations 12:1-2,5,17.
teresasfsol 3 years ago
>> Revelations 12:1-2,5,17.
Wonderful words from the Bible speaking clearly about the Blessed Virgin Mary and her bearing of Jesus in her womb.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
T]he Lord said to Peter, 'On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven' [Matt. 16:18--19]. . . . The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
teresasfsol 3 years ago
Here's what I don't understand: one of the main points of Sola Scriptura is "I interpret the Bible my way and no one can tell me how to interpret it." Then, when we show Sola Scriptura adherents verses in the Bible that refute the concept, they respond "you're interpreting it wrong!"
seltian 3 years ago
>> they respond "you're interpreting it wrong!"
It's because they are illogical and inconsistent.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
Believers in Sola Scriptura contend that the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth to them and therefore they know the actual meaning of whatever verses may be in dispute between two or more individuals. Having believed this, they then consider themselves justified in denouncing others' interpretation. thus there argument.
Mechanized0 2 years ago
"[Paul commands,] 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter' [2 Thess. 2:15]. From this it is clear that they did not hand down everything by letter, but there is much also that was not written. Like that which was written, the unwritten too is worthy of belief. So let us regard the tradition of the Church also as worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no further" John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, AD 402.
seltian 3 years ago 2
>> John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church
Doctor of the CATHOLIC Church! Good find, Seltian!
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
thanks seltian
beefking69er 3 years ago
AMEN!
Evoraul 4 years ago
The term "full of grace" in the Greek implies one who was already previously graced. Mary is not perceived on the same level of Jesus in the Catholic tradition whatsoever. Mary is an intercessor, not a mediator. She leads us to Christ. John 2:5 Mary was indeed Blessed by God, noticed by her cousin Elizabeth: Luke 1:41-43 Interpreting scripture "through the eyes of Catholicism," is the way the Bible was meant to be interpreted; Scripture presupposes the Church; the Church came first.
Pilatocus28 4 years ago
It's not pride, bro. It's the same reason I don't refer to myself or any other saved individual as "The Blessed Mr./Mrs. Jones." Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us. God found favor in Mary to carry the Savior in her womb, and He has found favor in me by saving me and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in me. Going on your statements, you should start referring to me as "The Blessed Graphxguy777."
BTW, Mary was not visited by the Trinity, but by an angel of God.
graphxguy777 4 years ago
Your pride blinds you.
First,"Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us." What an ignorant statement! Since when an angel appear to you and have the salvation of the world incanate inside you?!
However much the Holy Spirit lives in you, it isn't to the same degree He did in Mary. She is His spouse. You are not.
Since you are the spuse of the Holy Spirit, you'll forgive me if I don't call you Blessed.
Lastly - the Trinity did visit her. Read again, carefully.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Let me help you with.
The Holy Spirit will come upon you (God the Holy Spirit)and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. (God the Father) so the child to be born to you will be the Son of God. (God the Son).
Exactly which person is missing from the Holy Trinity in that event?
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Okay.. but your Catholic church, also, correcting me if i'm wrong, says that Mary was born from a virgin, and that she stayed a virgin all her life... is that in the bible?
custard25 3 years ago
The Church does NOT teach that Mary was born from a virgin.
It teaches that she was a virgin, before, during and after Our Lord's birth.
As to the question of it being in the Bible - some of it is explicit ("A virgin shall conceive") other parts are impicit
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
After... then why does Jesus say to Mary. "Woman, he is your son" John 19:26.
custard25 3 years ago
>> After... then why does Jesus say to Mary. "Woman, he is your son" John 19:26.
Are you seriously advancing the notion that John the disciple was the physical child of the Virgin Mary? Jesus gives Mary into the care of John precisely BECAUSE she has no other children! Jesus is not saying that John is her physical child, but rather "John, take care of my mother - who has no-one else to take care of her."
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
Are you saying this because it is in the Bible, if so, prove it, or because your church has led you to believe this?
custard25 3 years ago
>> Are you saying this because it is in the Bible, if so, prove it
Tell you what - how about YOU prove your unspoken assertion that everything a Christian needs to be is in the Bible? I'm willing to bet that you can't - simply because it is philosophically impossible. Not to mention the fact that the Bible doesn't say that . . .
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
>> because your church has led you to believe this?
The Church founded personally by Jesus teaches this. Martin Luther, John Calvin and all the rest of the reformers taught this. Everyone teaches this. Except your modern Christian communities, of course. I believe this because the Church taught it. That would be the same Church that wrote the Bible and protected it with the blood of the martyrs for over 1000 years before the Protestants appeared. A little respect, please.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
>> Are you saying this because it is in the Bible, if so, prove it
Anyway, to answer this question; Jesus gives His mother into the care of the Beloved Disciple (who is acutally unnamed, but which CATHOLIC Tradition - remember, that same Tradition which you denegrate) says was John. He would not do this if she had other children (or, for that matter, a husband) still living. This is a simple matter of historical fact.
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
Of course, all of Mary's other children could have died - but that rather stretching credibility, don't you think?
So, no - it's not explicit in the Bible, but it also never said "Mary had sex!" So we have to go to other sources. I go to the people who were taught by the Apostles (the Church Fathers) who make it clear that Mary was a Virgin. You go . . . to yourself.
Sorry - but you just don't QUITE have the same ring of authenticity as they do!
SaintMichaelsMedia 3 years ago
I can't stop reading these posts. They're just so awesome! LOL
Childinfaith 3 years ago 10
Our Lord Jesus Christ work is done. He is again resuming His Godly role. That is why He called Mary "Woman". However, Our Lord God Jesus Christ gave His mother to us. Oh mother mary, why do they hate you? Why can't they love you the way your son Our risen Lord Jesus Christ loves you? Why do they often equate us 'loving' you as us worshiping you? My brothers and sisters, it is not us thinking too highly of mother mary. It is you thinking so lowly of our God.
jglory71 3 years ago 3
"Mary was a vessel just like the rest of us." I really hope you reflect on that statement..in prayer. NO ONE will ever do again what God did with Mary. He chose her above all women..God created His own mother and you are telling me that she is not special for her purpose? That God's plan for His mother was not unique and vastly different than His plan for you? I think you need to stop listening to your pastors rhetoric and think about what you are saying. OY!!
barjonah1 3 years ago
He chose her above all women, within all time! She is not only the best woman of her age, she is the best woman ever.
havock89 3 years ago
that is so true
2812608584 3 years ago
Awed by the beauty of your virginity
and the exceeding radiance of your purity,
Garbrel stood amazed,
What praise may I offer you
that is worthy of your beauty?
By what name shall I call you
I am lost and bewildered,
But I shall greet you as I was commanded
Hail,"O, FULL OF GRACE'
teresasfsol 3 years ago
The Protestant view of Mary which you see as "dissing" is a scriptural view. The eyes you see her with are through the eyes of Catholicism. You've placed her on almost the same keel as our Savior, stopping short of calling her divine. God found favor with her just like He found favor with Noah, Abraham and David, the latter of which He called "a man after my own heart:, Acts 13:22. Why are there no statues, prayers or figurines of these great men of God whom God also found favor with?
graphxguy777 4 years ago
Because ALMIGHTY GOD DID NOT INCARNATE IN THEIR WOMBS. What do you Not get about that.
It is not the SAME.
Additionally, where did any of these people declare that ALL Generations would call me blessed.
Again, I ask a second time, how and where do Protestants obet scripture and call MAry Blessed.
You won't answer because you know you don't.
Ayet another example of Protestant arrogance. If i don't like the passage, I'll ignore it or toss it. You are truly sons of Martin Luther
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
3) While we are to be very thankful to God for Mary, we are not to pray to her or carry around, or place in our churches, any images of her. This constitutes idol worship. Mary cannot even come close to being placed on the same level with Jesus. Jesus himself distances himself from her in Mark 3:32-34; placing more importance on the the multitudes around Him who were desiring His teaching than His mother and brothers.
Bottom line, Mary came from the same seed we all did.
graphxguy777 4 years ago
Oh really. Tell me EXACTKY HOW protestants are "thankful" for Mary. If it weren't for nativity scenes once a year, Protestants would never give her a thought.
Carrying your savior in her womb, she declared "ALL generation will call me Blessed."
This si why Catholics call her the Blessed Virgin Mary - because Sacred Scripture prophecied it.
NO Protestant calls her - "Blessed Virgin Mary" as Scripture says. They diss her with lip service. Tell me how and when you call her BLESSED.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Because of Pride, Protestant refuse to use that term "Blessed Virgin Mary" because it would be seen as "giving in to Rome".
Protestants can continue to follow their man made (Luther, Calvin) johnny-come-lately false gospel.
Catholics will continue following what Scripture ACTUALLY says. Which afterall is very easy for us, since the CAtholic Church produced the Bible in the first place.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
SaintMichaelsMedia:
You have clearly, in your own words, explained why the Catholic church should not be considered a legitimate church. Your misrepresentation of Mary speaks volumes as to your distance from the real gospel. How?
1) Romans 3:23; "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." Not everyone except Mary.
2) What translation of the Bible are you using? I have found no translation that says Mary was full of grace; only "found favor with God," or "you have found grace."
graphxguy777 4 years ago
You have proved the point very well why people should not use Protestant Bibles, NOR interpret them themselves.
The Protestant "hang-up" with Mary is downright nasty. The Holy Trinity came to Her in person so she could provide Christ with the body He used to redeem you, thereby granting the POSSIBILITY of salvation to you.
And Protestants continnue to diss Her as though she was just some piece of luggae that God used and never had need of again.
Christ obeyed the 4th commandment.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Couldn't full of Grace simply imply, that her womb was filled with Jesus?
unityrover 4 years ago
No, beause when the angel said that to her, she had not yet conceived.
The angel speaks o the conception of the Christ in the future tense - you WIll Conceive and bear a son - His name SHALL BE called - etc.
Only when MAry says - Let it be done - when she gives consent does the Second person of the Holy Trinity incarnate in her womb.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Dude, thanks for saying it like it is.
=) many blessings to you.
theonlyrel 4 years ago
AMEN
theonlyrel 4 years ago
im not talking smack about mary. i say with this all with respect to Catholic beliefs but i just dont see how that is.
you say "If you had the power to create your own Mother, wouldn't you love her enough to make her perfect.
Well, God DOES have the Power and He did."
well then, by that reasoning, why didnt God make us ALL perfect then? did He not love us all enough to take up the cross?
kyleBOTD 4 years ago
he didn;t make us all perfect because we all were not destined from all Eternity to be the woman in whom HE would assume human nature.
I find it very difficult to believe that Protestants simply refuse to see that the woman GOD HIMSELF CHOSE FROM ALL ETERNITY is not somehow better than the rest us.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HE CHOSE HER HIMSELF.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
tell me another human in history who had the following things occur to them:
1. An angel comes from God to her personally and visibly.
(This one evnt eliminates the vast majority of the human race).
2. He calls her "FULL of grace." This term appears nowhere else in Scripture.
(This elimnates the rest of humanity)
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
3. When she visited her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth declared Mary to the Blessed and called her "The Mother of My Lord."
4. John the Baptist, in Elizabeth's womb leaped for joy.
5. Filled with the Holy Spirit, Mary delcared all generations would call Her Blessed.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
No one in the history of Humanityconcveived YOUR sSavior in her womb and presents Him to us.
No one else in Humanity stood at the foot of the crtoss with the full realization of what was happening.
No one else in humanity suffered during Her Son's passion like She did.
qThis is the woman of Genesis and the woman of Revelation.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
To treat the highest creature that God ever made as a creature on the same level as you and me is totally disrespecting Her.
You may not intend to disrespect her, but that is what is going on.
Nevertheless, She desires only one thing from you, - that you do whatever He tells you. Those are her last recorded words in Scripture.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
kyle, us all being perfect was Gods original desire for us. Thus..Adam and Eve who were made perfect. Then the fall...and God's incredible mercy to give us a new Adam in Christ, and a new Eve, in Mary. Both perfectly OBEY the Father and now we in our fallen state have a way to resurrection. God loves us enough to allow us all perfection once again, through with and in Jesus Christ. He is an awesome God indeed!
barjonah1 3 years ago
mary wasnt holy. she was human and thus by default she was born like we are : children born as children under wrath. she needed a savior, thus since she needed a savior that proves that she was with sin that needed to be forgiven. nothing sinful is both sinful and holy at the same time.
kyleBOTD 4 years ago
First off, it's not nic to insult Jesus' Mother.
Secondly, if God wants His Mother to be Holy and not touched by sin, then By God, She is going to be Holy and be without sin.
And thirdly, the merits of Christ's suffering were simply applied to her in advance of His crucifixion because God does not have to operate in time. He's outside of time.
That's one of the qualifications to be God.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Fourthly, when God the Father sends an angel to YOU and the angel says to YOU, Hail, Full of Grace - then you can talk smack about Mary.
Until then, have some respect.
It is because that young woman said yes to God that you even have a chance at heaven.
If you had the power to create your own Mother, wouldn't you love her enough to make her perfect.
Well, God DOES have the Power and He did.
End of discussion.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
"And Mary said: 'My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.'" (Luke 1:47) (NAB) (1145) Mary was human and she herself said she needed a savior from sin.
starzgrasp 4 years ago
Again, that is perfectly true. Mary is human, and she needed to be saved from Sin. But that saving occured BEFORE she was conceived.
Again, did you think that Catholics taught she didn't need a savior? You really need to learn what the Church actually teaches.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
God bless you and thanks for this important information.
ultrabaron 4 years ago 3
Amen!
HornPlayer983 4 years ago
marry is indeed holy why cuz she's in heaven she's a saint thats what saint means a person who lived a holy life u get a description of her in the book of revelation and as the ark of the covenant was holy she is the new ark of the covenant so she is holy
she's not divine though she is our mother and we should obey gods commandment that says honor ur mother and father
cristinasyayo 4 years ago 2
Great video. Thank you.
DragonessLife 4 years ago
If the catholic church is THE bible based church, why is it that it does not follow it word for word. It clearly states in the bible that we shall not worship idols. And yet, catholics carry crucifexes and images of the "holy" mary.
morenopecado 4 years ago
If carrying an image was the same as worshipping it, that would be true. But it's not - we honor the figures which are represented by the images. In the same way as you do not love a photograph of your mother, but may carry or look at one so that you can be reminded of her.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Also, why do you put "holy" in inverted commas? Are you suggesting that the woman who said "Yes" to God and carried Jesus in her worb, WASN'T holy? What an arrogant, prideful position!
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
She was the mother of Jesus, a very important person, but clearly not devine as Jesus or the holy trinity, who indeed deserve such title. No, it is not pride, simply a belief based on bible facts.
morenopecado 4 years ago
The word "holy" does not mean divine. If we thought that Mary was divine, we would call her the Blessed Divine Mary. But, she's not, so we don't. Read the first chapter of Luke, and then tell me that Mary isn't holy. She's certainly not divine, but she is a holy person.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Where does it say that she is holy? It clearly does not say that. It only goes as far as saying she was "highly favored" (verse 28), but does not mention holy at any time. To interpret that mary is holy can also be considered arrogant and prideful as you said. After Jesus' death, she is not even mentioned in the Bible anymore, and catholics go as far as calling her the 'mother of the church'. Arrogant and prideful.
morenopecado 4 years ago
It says "full of Grace" - not "highly favored". Highly favored is a mistranslation made by Protestants desiring to negate the truth of Mary.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
That's true. Catholics and Orthodox don't believe Mary was divine, just a sinless human be God's special grace.
XSC3 4 years ago
Yes, it's true that we don't believe Mary was divine. But, we also do not believe that she was a sinless human. She committed sins, too, as she's another imperfect being. She was chosen by God to be our Savior's mother because God found her more worthy for the name or was agreeable by His eyes. Who knows, but He chose her.
K08Alyssa 4 years ago
Scripture does not say she was "MORE worthy".
It says an angel said she was "Full of grace" - a term used used for no one else. If the original choice to reject or accept the God was given to a sinless virgin (Eve), why wouldn't God save the human race by the choice of another sinless virgin (Mary).
That is exactly what happened. One sinless virgin chose to reject God - the race was condemned. A second sinless virgin chose to obey God - the race was redeemed.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
SaintMichaelsMedia,
but I don't understand. I believed that the Virgin commit less sin than the rest of us. She was closer to perfect than the rest of us. I didn't think she'd be sinless since Adam and Eve ate the apple. Sin, therefore, is inevitable. She also needed Jesus to save her, as she is a part of the sinful human race. Explain to me my misconception, please, if you don't mind. Thanks.
K08Alyssa 4 years ago
You are correct in saying that Mary needed Jesus to save her. He did save her.
But He (who is outside time) saved her in advance - in anticiaption of his sacrifice on the cross.
I can save a person in two different ways. I can save the guy after he falls down the hole OR i can save him by preventing him from falling down the hole.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Another example of this from scripture is when Moses and Elijah appeared with jesus on the Mt. of Transfiguration.
They were clearly saved even thought Jesus had not died on the cross yet.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
As to your point about mary having "less sin" and being "more perfect" than us - why would you believe that?
And if you do believe it - I presume you beleieve this was done for her by God the Father.
If he would preserve her from most sin and make her more perfect than all the rest of us - why would he stop there?
Why wouldn't he just make her perfect (100%) instead of (99%). What would be the point?
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Because Mary is another human being; whom is also a descendent of Adam and Eve. So, isn't sin inevitable for all humans? Isn't that why Jesus died, so he could save us ALL from Hell? I'm confused.
K08Alyssa 4 years ago
Original Sin is not inevitable. It is, however, the normal state for humans. But Mary was not normal - she was protected from the consequences of Original Sin by her immaculate conception. It is correct to say that Jesus saved her, because it was Jesus' death which preserved her from that. But this was applied BEFORE she was born, at the time of her conception.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
Did God deliberately create her to be perfect and free from sins, or did He create her with the choice we have to whether commit sins or not? And if the Original Sin is not inevitable, why do we all have to be baptized to be washed from the Original Sin? I'm sorry if I'm bothering you with my misconception. But thanks for responding.
K08Alyssa 4 years ago
Yes. God did create her to be perfect because of the singular role she was blessed to have.
That's why the angel said, "full of grace".
But for the normal human, of which she was definetly not, Original Sin is our lot.
SaintMichaelsMedia 4 years ago
You know, I was taught that when I was young; that the Virgin is flawless. But somehow, along the way, something confusing was brought forth to me. Thank you so much for clearing them up. God bless you and have a wonderful New Year! =)
K08Alyssa 4 years ago
we don't adore statues
Archangeloftheandes 4 years ago 2
these videos are good stuff
hailchrist 5 years ago