Darrel Rundus on Alex Jones Tv (HD) 1/4:The Great News Network" Sign Up Today! "

[Stanium7]

You said they were...

[BasicQuestions]

Alex, you are a Zionist, a fraud, a lie, a hypocrite, a deceiver. Was it worth to sell your soul to the Devil? I think you already have nightmares regretting the stupid deal which has put you in the eternal loss. Enjoy your pathetic life right into your destiny (Hell).

[wwintelligencer]

Darrel Rundus is a hero

[MrDrPropaganda]

Look up Hidden Histroy of the human race, read it!!!!! if you want to get a true understanding of human history and find out humanities true origins. Author Michael Cremo has researched scientific evidence most scientists/archeologists wont touch because it throws all their theories out the window!!

[MrDrPropaganda]

Your whole point of view is based on the premise that god is perfect in every way. Well heres a paradox for you,

You probably believe that humans aren't perfect and that god is perfect, well didn't got make us in his image? if he did then he's not perfect either.

An all powerful being that transcends space and time is gonna be able to the future, so god would have known exactly what humans would become- an expression of greed and evil and did nothing, well he must not have a problem with it.

[sigmapsicharlie]

Your an idiot, God made the first man in his image, which was without sin, ie perfect, so you are an ignorant piece of human waste for even trying to bring this argument, so go back to your Kool Aid and stop implying things about the Heavenly Father you know nothing about.

[Stanium7]

@sigmapsicharlie First man is perfect yet commits first sin?

[sigmapsicharlie]

@Stanium7 Actually Eve was tempted first by Lucifer, then she got Adam to eat of the fruit of knowledge.

[Stanium7]

@sigmapsicharlie Would a perfect being be susceptible to deceit?

[sigmapsicharlie]

@Stanium7 First of all wno said they we're perfect?? being made in God image means we look like him, not we are perfect.

[illmagnified]

What the hell are you talking about MrDrPropaganda? Your name says alot about you- Stop spreading bullshit and poison on these forums, atleast Alex Jones is doing something about our current situation instead of your ignorant ass talking shit online about something you have no idea about. Do something with your life man instead of being pathetic, wake up and realize your just putting negativity out there for the rest of us to soak up when you should be educating yourself on these topics.

[MrDrPropaganda]

I'd rather this whole anti-NWO agenda was led by a non-evangelical megalomaniac.

[MrDrPropaganda]

Your right, he's nothing compared to Michael Angelo and neither should you make that comparison.

It really creeps me out when people like alex and his cohorts start insinuating that they are the saviors of the earth sent by god?

Face the facts the majority of the western world do not subscribe to your creepy evangelical megalomania.

[candiceevans1]

Alex is not insinuating that he is sent by God nor is Darrell. The point is that God is for truth and justice not for whats done in secret for the benefit of a few and to the detriment of millions. These two people are doing their part to expose corruption what are you doing? You dont have to be religious to be on the side of truth and justice ...why would you be against them just because of they're christian. u would cut off yr nose to spite yr face?

[BlackLookingGlass]

And for "GODs sake" (only an expression lol..) Were using the wrong damn channel and video to post all this junk..

[BlackLookingGlass]

*Blacklookingglass throws up his hands in exhaustion aas he falls to the floor..*

Lol.. this argument/debate is losing more and more of it's coherence or purpose every minute..

...Good game; good game.. *high five*.

I don't think I can go another round of this, unless we can get back on a 1 comment to 1 comment format.. lol

[BlackLookingGlass]

Ok, so we're clear that my standpoint is: "deities don't exist, and theism is delusional"..

Moving on..

#1. Testimony about a deity is not evidence, nor is it something I can observe.

#2. Tell me when; where; and how, I can find an observable indication, or see evidence of a deity..

You see.. atheism is not a belief system for me. It is simply my LACK of a need to compound the already amazing and magical universe around me WITH a belief in a deity or other daft human mental creations..

[ev0218204]

dnt read this(cuz it really wrks). u will gt kissd on the nearest frieday by the love of ur life. 2mara wll b the bst day of ur life hwever if you dnt post ths comment 2 at least 3 vids u will die withn 2 days nw uv startd readn this dnt stp this is so scary snd ths ovr 2 5 vids in 143 mins when ur done press f6 nd ur crush's name wll appear on the screen n big letters ths is so scary cuz it actully wrks ths really

[jpopenyoureyes]

Right on

[TakeTheRedPillPlease]

Christians, listen to what God COMMANDS of you:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. (Matt. 7:6)

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (Matt. 10:14)

Many in this fallen world LOVE themselves and self-worship. This is as old as the pharaohs! Some will always REFUSE to hear!

[BlackLookingGlass]

So.. Basically your saying that you believe that people should be close minded, stubborn, and un-communicative to anyone that doesn't follow their cult beliefs? Nor should they debate with others or backup their hostile stonewalled attitude to anyone.. ( Most likely because it's hard to debate something when there isn't any proof.. Proof for hings like unicorns, griffins, and GOD, Seem to bee ever so elusive.. right? ) Just turn your brain off and listen to the dictator in the sky lol..

[tinetubes]

Thanks Darrel. I was hoping someone would step forward for Alex after he was denied on Ebay. Take that New World Order, now let's all get a Prison Planet membership so Alex can continue his radio show. This is the only news program I watch now, besides Lou Dobbs on CNN. But that's it.

[dtmbcorp]

Thanks for your contribution, D

[bendtx]

I don't what God is, but I know what he isn't...

[carp1844]

What isn't He?

[carp1844]

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,(Spiritualism) and out of the mouth of the beast,(Roman Catholicism) and out of the mouth of the false prophet.(Protestants who have abandoned the 10 commandments including the 7th day sabbath) 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (our leaders) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[tsenzei]

There are many that claim to know the full meaning of prophecy, yet very few that are actually correct (and I could probably stand to emphasize "very few" quite a bit more).

Even those that do have a glimpse of the nature of a thing, prophecy or not, often take that glimpse and run with it. They put their own limited perspective (and only God would not have a limited perspective) and their own ideals into it, corrupting it, and twisting it.

[tsenzei]

For example, some people have a hatred of Israel, so they see parts of this globalist thing, and say: "Clearly it is the Zionists." Or "Clearly it is Mossad." Others hate the Pope, and blame the Vatican and related organizations. Still others blame other religions, such as new-Ageism or older religions. Others focus on secular groups like bankers, but then exclude the idea that Mossad or an Occult group could have any involvement.

[tsenzei]

Your posted "explanations" of the Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophet reminded me of this.

[tsenzei]

On a relatively unrelated note, it also made me think this: We should stop calling the people that are abusing us, trying to cajole us with fear, finance, and force, into doing their bidding our "leaders." They are no leader of me. They are thugs and thieves. Powerful, for now, perhaps, but not my leader.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Uggghh.. Quit weaving the religious crap in with the other information.

[carp1844]

I am one of the few out there who actually understands the prophecies of the Bible. (Mark of the beast, etc.). I was an atheistic evolutionist until someone took the time to show me the actual truth behind this "religious" stuff. There is a basis in truth behind these things and God is definitely real. Once you understand how God operates with sinful man and that Satan's strategy is to conceal his existence while spreading lies and doubt about God it all begins to make sense.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Make sense how? Maybe In a 1984 orwellian way? Like "good is bad", "right is wrong", "God makes sense".. lol.. Give me a break.. I can't believe you devolved in to a state of religious brain washing. How does "god" operate..? What is his dictatorial plan for us; subjects, in his perverted game of creation and worship?

[carp1844]

I find that it is impossible to convince anyone that is not willing to take an honest look at the possibility that God exists. Are you at least willing to hear the evidence? I would never ask you to believe anything that I could not prove in a substantial way. I know and can show you things in the prophecies that will make an honest man's chin hit the floor. I'm serious. The vast majority of Christians cannot explain these prophecies. I am one of the few that can. How about it?

[BlackLookingGlass]

Evidence? You don't understand.. My skull is not filled with erroneous slop and delusions. I've been using my intellect.. I have been questioning life and existence since I was a little boy... I have long since realized that the fairy tales that were read to me as a child were not real; but MAN MADE.. I grew up without having any particular dogma or religion shoved down my throat as my brain developed.. My thoughts were not transfixed on an archaic belief system like theistic religion.

[tsenzei]

To use a phrase, I'm just "playing devil's advocate" right now. You do realize that what you just said: basically implying that anyone that believes in a theistic religion is someone that believes in archaic, erroneous slop, and delusions; but you didn't back it up with anything. To people like carp1844 (if not carp1844) your skull is filled with erroneous slop and delusions (in spite of your own statement), and your thoughts are transfixed with the idea of personal intellectual superiority.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Who are you responding to? What are you trying to say? ..On a different subject, ...I appreciate Alex and Jason for putting out a wealth of information to the public. All things said- Alex and Jason's religion (Christianity) doesn't matter to me as it pertains to their work as information gatherers and disseminators.. But, nothing changes my general perspective that theism is a form of delusional; archaic; slop, that continues to pervert human society like a bad foot odor.. ;) Peace to all..

[tsenzei]

Mostly I'm responding to both you and carp (obviously, more you at the moment). Based on previous comments (all I've had available to me), both of you seem to be unable to reconcile the idea that people think and believe something different from you, or rather that there is nothing inherently wrong with it. You're free to your opinion, just as carp1844 is, but so long as neither show at least reasoning if not evidence of why your opinion is "right" you'll see each other as fools.

[tsenzei]

Of course, my own bias is agnosticism, which allows me to say: "eh, it could go either way" (which I admit is kind of a cop-out). As I said, you're free to your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from personally. Then again, I've also always distinguished "religion" from "faith" as well. What I'm trying to say is... so long as you're annoyed at people "weaving religious crap" you might take a moment to consider others being annoyed at "weaving atheist crap" as well. Or just ignore it

[tsenzei]

*shrug*

Right now all I got is my brain full of ideas as my supposedly good asset. It probably isn't anything you actually need to hear. But maybe someone else reading this does.

[tsenzei]

And as you can see, and inability to be concise...

[BlackLookingGlass]

I have no problem reconciling anything. It's great that people have their own beliefs..

Evidence for why my opinion is right?

My evidence that my opinion is right is the fact that there is NO evidence for a deity, PERIOD.

How about the three headed fire breathing dragon GOD that shoots laser beams from his eye sockets..

Or, the one eyed purple people eating GOD

Or, the tooth fairy..

Or, any of the numerous Egyptian GODs..

Could you prove they don't exist? Give me a break...

[tsenzei]

Evidence OR reasoning, as evidence doesn't always apply. But I think you missed the point slightly. I personally am not asking you to defend your own beliefs. And as for your last question, there's a reason I'm agnostic :p

Anyway, the "evidence or reason" is basically about making a statement in a way that it can actually be discussed, thought about, etc. rather than a general blanket statement which will generally only stir up ill-will rather than discussion.

[tsenzei]

I would say though, as far as "evidence" as you described. People accept and reject different "evidence" based on their perspective. Heck, people define "god" differently, whether such a being is omnipotent, or basically just a spirit with an aspect of life; something to be worshiped, or something to be avoided or at least feared (often times all).

There's evidence of the tooth fairy, as I woke up once with coins in place of my fallen tooth. Doesn't mean it exists, but it is "evidence."

[tsenzei]

Slight correction, add onto the "evidence example" that "fallen tooth... as others said the Tooth Fairy would do." etc. Without the implication of it being the Tooth Fairy, it is otherwise evidence that teeth turn into money, and therefore I should take up boxing. But I digress.

Saying there is no evidence period, is really saying that you reject the evidence claimed by others (visions, sensing spiritual existence, communion, intricacy of life, the abundance of the "golden ratio" etc.)

[tsenzei]

Much in the same way I eventually rejected the evidence of the Tooth Fairy as I grew and lost more teeth, no matter how often they would be replaced with US currency.

[BlackLookingGlass]

You said "evidence claimed"? What kind of evidence is that? If it isn't there for others to observe than it's just not evidence.. And further more, why would the intricacy of our observable existence, or the observation of the golden ratio, be inherently indicative of an omniscient (and might I add "twisted") character that watches are every move and sends us to everlasting hellfire if we don't believe in his "word"? Why do people need a sky daddy in order to except their existence?

[tsenzei]

1. You're embellishing. "Theistic belief" does not = Popular Christian belief. People are fully capable, and do, believe in God without believing in a "sky daddy." Just because all circles are round doesn't mean that all round things are circles.

2. Using your logic about evidence, just because someone finds a blood-soaked knife in someone's hands doesn't mean that they are responsible for the person laying next to them being dead. This is true, but it is still considered "evidence."

[tsenzei]

Even though it is "evidence" anyone that didn't see it, or only saw pictures of it, can deny it's reality, rejecting that it actually is there just because they don't trust the senses of another person or object. Testimony is observable, and is considered evidence, otherwise courts would never bother with witnesses. Furthermore, just because you don't understand something presented, doesn't mean it isn't evidence.

3. It is your opinion that it is a "twisted" personality that is God (or gods).

[tsenzei]

However, it can be equally someone's opinion that God (or gods) are not "twisted." Indeed, since your perspective is limited, how can you know whether or not God is in fact "twisted"? Not all theisms follow that God is even omnipotent or omniscient; and all of them have them bound by their own word. Even if an omnipotent God watches and judges everything we do or say, how are you to know what such a beings criteria is or isn't?

[tsenzei]

Lastly, the intricacy of existence, and the fact that people apparently have free will, leads to a relatively logical conclusion that there are more than energy and chemical reactions in the world. This, while not proof, is evidence toward the hypothesis of theistic belief being at least partly correct. Add in recorded miracles (observed) and similar things, it makes a good argument for people, even if you reject their existence or significance personally.

[tsenzei]

In any event, the primary point is that people have a different perspective from your own. Whether they are right or wrong, it does little good to simply insult them for it. You can if you want to of course, but it will not endear people to your own point of view, and plays into the hands of others more often than not.

[tsenzei]

Pull your head out of your ass. Christianity IS a form of theism yes, but Theism is not all Christianity, Theism is the belief that at least one "god" exists. Way to ignore Judiac, Islamic, Hindu, Native American, Wiccan, Satanic, Eqyptian and other religious belief systems all because of your limited, narrow view.

If you're unable to come up with a thoughtful response to something and all you can think to do is insult... it's really quite sad, especially for a self-proclaimed logical person.

[BlackLookingGlass]

I take back my rude comments... ...You sound like Alister McGrath.. It seems like you don't even know what your arguing about.

Example--->

"1. You're embellishing. "Theistic belief" does not = Popular Christian belief. People are fully capable, and do, believe in God without believing in a "sky daddy." Just because all circles are round doesn't mean that all round things are circles."

That makes no sense at all..

[tsenzei]

Thank you, I also apologize if my rebuttal was less than polite.

To explain that, it seems like you're taking "theism" to always mean "Judaic." As if "Christianity" is the only form of "theism." Evidenced by you talking about specifically Judaic beliefs (suck as hell, sky daddies, etc.) "theism" also includes polytheistic beliefs, but more pointedly, monotheistic beliefs that are not necessarily Christian or even Judaic in origin.

[BlackLookingGlass]

I wasn't arguing about non theistic belief systems.. I was arguing about the belief in a DEITY... a GOD.. I thought there was a tacit understanding that we were basically on the subject of theistic christianity..

[tsenzei]

I've come to start using a phrase: "Damn semantics."

I had, in my poor judgment, assumed that your condemnation of "theistic belief" as delusional referred to any and all theistic beliefs, including polytheistic and monotheistic, not purely limited to Christianity. In which case my basic point of "don't just go in there and insult someone" still stands, but is separate from any debate about the merits of theism, agnosticism, or atheism which all got sort of jumbled in there between replies.

[tsenzei]

Whether you had actually intended insult or not, it simply does little good to take what someone else says about their own opinion (whether they are correct or not) and to just say: "You're wrong." or "You're delusional" without providing some reasoning behind it (often including evidence). You did later, and I let myself get caught up a bit in discussing that, rather than sticking to my original point. But that's because I enjoy a good discussion. It seems to have caused confusion though.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Yes.. "any and all theistic beliefs, including polytheistic and monotheistic, not purely limited to Christianity" is what I was arguing about.. It doesn't really matter what flavor of theism you choose.. If it involves a belief in a deity than that's my boxing ring.. Do you get what i'm saying..? My simple argument is that THERE IS NO DEITY.. There is no deity that knows your every thought.. Nobody is going to "hell" because they decided they don't hold a certain religious belief..

[tsenzei]

And my counter-point was that not all theistic beliefs follow that any deity knows your every thought, or that "hell" even exists. You are limiting your own definition by embellishing, by ascribing some "universal" set of beliefs to theism other than the existence of a god or gods, that do not necessarily apply.

The theist says: "God(s) exist, here's why I believe this."

The atheist says: "God(s) don't exist, your reasons suck."

The agnostic shrugs and says: "How do you know either way?"

[tsenzei]

Anything more than that is an issue with specific religions or beliefs; and not easily discussed or debated without a knowledge of what the heck the other person is actually trying to say in the first place.

I will say this though, there are theistic beliefs that do not have any belief that god(s) actually even care about what happens on Earth; and there are atheistic beliefs that still believe in spirits or spirituality (just not god[s]) or simply "energy" or whatever.

[tsenzei]

At least that is what I have seen, learned, and incorporated into my internal dictionary. When the theist says: "Here's why I believe this, and there can be no other explanation." When the atheist says: "your reasons suck and I won't say why." and when the agnostic questions: "how?" over and over without stating why what was said before wasn't enough, they're all being close minded, and if they persist good discussion and debate will likely not happen. It will, rather, divide the people.

[BlackLookingGlass]

I quote- ..."my counter-point was that not all theistic beliefs follow that any deity knows your every thought, or that "hell" even exists..."

No.. you never represented the quoted argument as your counterpoint, OR your argument, until now..

"how do you know either way"?

Because there is no observable indication that any deity exists!!!

ATHEISM isn't a form of THEISM!.. In one sense, atheism means you haven't decide to believe any man made theistic malarkey..

Your avoiding the subject.

[tsenzei]

I've been saying that your view of what "theism" is is too narrow, and that you've been focusing on Christianity as if its the only basis of theism for a while now. Whether or not you've understood that from what I've said or not, it has been a point I've been trying to drive home.

"How do you know either way?"

How do you know there is no observable indication that any deity exists? Particularly when you reject the evidence and testimony of others out of hand?

[tsenzei]

I don't think I've ever said that Atheism is a form of theism. Atheism is specifically not a form of theism. However, rejecting theism IS a form of BELIEF. Even if an atheist rejects theism, that doesn't inherently mean they reject religion either, as not all religions (be they old or new, or some individuals personal religion).

I'm not trying to actually convert you to agnosticism or theism. Yet when you understand them it may help you form your own arguments better than merely insulting.

[tsenzei]

In your mind, what subject am I specifically avoiding, and in what way?

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part 3 - Quote 2 part 1.

"For some reason, there are quite a few religious theists — mostly Christians — who can't wrap their minds around the idea that an absence of belief in gods is not and cannot, by definition, be a belief system. People have no trouble recognizing that an absence of belief in elves is not a belief system, that a denial of the existence of Bigfoot is not a belief system, and that not collecting stamps is not a hobby.." -

-Austin Cline

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part 2 - Quote 1 part 3.

...All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc". -Austin Cline

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part 2 - Quote 1 part 2.

...While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part 2 - Quote 1 part 1.

I quote- "Atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part 1 Your right, you never said that Atheism is a form of theism.. I was hasty with that comment.. What I should have said is- It sounds as if you think that simply BEING an atheist is a belief system.. In that case I would have to strongly disagree.. I found a few quotes that might clarify to some extent where I stand on that. This subject gets pretty foggy, so I'm sure we could go on about it for ever lol.. I will poast them as a seperate reply.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Part4 - Quote 3 part 1.

"What you need to compare is theistic belief systems against atheistic belief systems, not theism against atheistic belief systems or atheism against theistic belief systems. Compare theistic Christianity to atheistic Buddhism, or theistic Islam to atheistic Humanism. Those are just comparisons. Mere atheism and theism, with nothing added, don't motivate anyone to do anything." --Austin Cline

[BlackLookingGlass]

Ok, so we're clear that my standpoint is: "deities don't exist, and theism is delusional"..

Moving on..

#1. Testimony about a deity is not evidence, nor is it something I can observe.

#2. Tell me when; where; and how, I can find an observable indication, or see evidence of a deity..

You see.. atheism is not a belief system for me. It is simply my LACK of a need to compound the already amazing and magical universe around me WITH a belief in a deity or other daft human mental creations..

[tsenzei]

If your standpoint is "theism is delusional" than that is a belief. It is an affirmative statement, which you back up with... a professed lack of belief. But a lack of evidence is not a reason to make an affirmative statement.

1. Testimony is something that is always observed. You testify that your standpoint is that deities don't exist. Otherwise what evidence do I have of your standpoint on that matter? How is it unobserved when I see this testimony?

[tsenzei]

2. According to the testimony of others, you can find proof of Gods existence through the results of various prayers, much of which has actually been recorded and even investigated by third parties. It may not be PROOF of a deity, but it is EVIDENCE of it. You or I may not accept it readily, being skeptical, or willing to attribute that EVIDENCE as PROOF of something else entirely (though there is not necessarily any basis for that attribution).

[tsenzei]

Your "belief" is that people are unable to confirm proof of something that you are unable or unwilling to confirm yourself. A belief that believing in something beyond the physical senses does not exist simply because you do not physically sense it, and that any senses beyond that must be "delusion" or even a bald faced lie. There isn't really such a thing as a person that lacks a belief. Whether it be about theism, people, or the world around them.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Your simply assuming that I do not believe in anything beyond the physical senses.. Your inferring information about something that I haven't specifically addressed.. I thought the particular subject we were on was theism/atheism.. I'm under the impression that we were talking about deities, not the broad subject of "things beyond the physical senses"

By the way, I would like to retract my use of the word "delusional" as it pertains to my given standpoint.. For the sake of my argument..

[BlackLookingGlass]

part 1.

So your relying on something non-tangible as proof of the existence of GOD?

I quote- "According to the TESTIMONY of others, you can find PROOF of Gods existence through the results of various PRAYERS, much of which has actually been recorded and even investigated by third parties."

How are these prayers evidence? How do you record prayers as evidence? What kind of evidence do these parayers exhibit? What was the conclusion of the third party investigations on this evidence?

[BlackLookingGlass]

part 2.

I am a little confused by this statement-

I quote- "It may not be PROOF of a deity, but it is EVIDENCE of it. You or I may not accept it readily, being skeptical, or willing to attribute that EVIDENCE as PROOF of something else entirely (though there is not necessarily any basis for that attribution)."

Are You basically saying that the stated testimony isn't really evidence or proof at all (not to mention; vague..), therefore contradicting your statement?

[BlackLookingGlass]

Ok, I guess were having an argument based much on linguistic and conversational details and semantics now.. Let me trim my standpoint to fit the argument: "I have an absence of belief in deities or god's"..

Your right about testimony being something observable.. But in that particular case it was pertaining to a transference of my thoughts via this forum, and is irrelevant to the root of the subject at hand.. e.g.. evidence of the existence of a deity..

[carp1844]

Do you reject spiritual things because you are absolutely confident that you could not possibly be shown anything that you don't already know? Or are you afraid that you just might find irrefutable evidence of God's existence thereby making you responsible for your actions. I hope it is neither of those. I can show you concrete evidence of God's existence outside of any religious mumbo jumbo. The real question is.........Do you actually desire to see the evidence?

[BlackLookingGlass]

Round and round and round we go....

Spit it out! Fax it to me. Email it to me. Send it to the news. Post it on a billboard. Inform the world of your evidence! What is it? Tell me..

I take it that your talking about proof of a deity correct?

How did you conclude that I "reject spiritual things" (as you put it) ? Do you think that "spiritual things" can only be the worship of a deity? You really have no idea about what I believe; except that I don't believe in deities...

[carp1844]

Will the United States exist in 500 years? No mortal knows. The Bible's book of Daniel predicted the four world empires of Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, The divisions of Rome, the Papacy and it's rein of terror for 1260 years. Daniel was written around 605 B.C.  It's prophecies are pinpoint accurate and stretch up to our time and beyond. The being responsible for this amazing prediction calls Himself the God of the universe and our Creator. Read Daniel chapters 2 and 7.

[BlackLookingGlass]

First of all.. How would expect that to be proof of a deity? My feelings would be best expressed by this article (which names many references you can research) by: William Sierichs, Jr.

--->

w w w . theskepticalreview . c o m / tsrmag / 4danie96 . h t m l

Also for an altogether different take on the subject of history and our universe look up Rick Levine.. He has an interesting film called

"Quantum Astrology"

Science, Spirit and Our Place in the Cycles of History.

[carp1844]

The answer is simple. A human being cannot predict future events spanning thousands of years with pinpoint accuracy. The Bible is obviously inspired by a being much greater than we. The fossil record reveals no continuous blend of creatures and the entire surface of the earth is scarred by a massive flood. Every time they stick a shovel in the sand over in the middle east they turn up something else that confirms the accuracy of the Bible. The evidence is there if you want it.

[BlackLookingGlass]

Beginning 1.

You said - "The answer is simple. A human being cannot predict future events spanning thousands of years with pinpoint accuracy"

Well, if your referring to the book of Daniel, then you would be right. According to many historic examinations of the book of Daniel there are numerous factual and time line discrepancies. I will list

and number several posts that I found for easy reading..

[BlackLookingGlass]

1a. Daniel 1:1 states that Jehoiakim surrendered Jerusalem to Nebuchadrezzar. According to 2 Kings 24:1-10, Jehoiakim was already dead by the time the city was taken.

The book states that Babylon was captured from King Belshazzar by Darius (Daniel 5:31), a Median king. Daniel lived until the first year of the reign of Cyrus, whom Daniel described as a

[BlackLookingGlass]

1b.

successor of Darius. However, we know that Nabonidus was really the last king of Babylonia, and that he was defeated by Cyrus the Great of Persia (The Cambridge Ancient History Volume IV,

...p139). We also know that Darius was a later successor to Cyrus, as king of Persia.

[BlackLookingGlass]

1c.

King Darius I is called the son of Xerxes (Ahasuerus), in Daniel 9:1, although we know that Darius was the father of Xerxes.

The book was written by someone not at all familiar with the events of the time attributed to Daniel. Had it been written at the time of the Babylonian Exile, these historical blunders would not have

been made.

[BlackLookingGlass]

2a.

According to Daniel, the prophet Daniel achieved such high rank in the Babylonian Empire that he was second only to the king of Babylon. After the Persian conquest, he was once again elevated

to a role second only to the king of Persia. We have many archaeological records from both empires, but none mentions Daniel, or even a stranger who rose to high rank in either kingdom. This is

strong circumstantial evidence that Daniel did not even exist.

[BlackLookingGlass]

2b.

Although the author wrote of Daniel as a great leader whom the Jews must have admired and respected, he is never mentioned in the Old Testament. In the absence of any genuine Old

Testament references to this Daniel, this is further evidence that he did not really exist, could not have written the book in his name, and the book was of later authorship.

[BlackLookingGlass]

2c.

A Daniel is mentioned obscurely in Ezra and Nehemiah, then in Ezekiel chapter 14, where he was likened to Noah and Job, and Ezekiel chapter 28, where he was said to be an exemplar of

wisdom. But the Ezekiel references were too early to refer to the Daniel of the Book of Daniel, who at most would only have been an unknown teenager. It is likely, however, that these vague

Daniel references inspired the later author to use this as the name for his hero.

[BlackLookingGlass]

3a.

In chapter 2, Daniel prophesied that King Nebuchadnezzar would be followed by an inferior kingdom, then a third and a fourth kingdom. The fourth kingdom would then become divided. And in the

days of these kings, God would set up a kingdom that would never be destroyed (Daniel 2:44) Some Christians interpret this as a prophecy

[BlackLookingGlass]

3b.

that includes the Roman Empire and the advent of

Christianity. More objectively, it was simply a prophecy of King Nebuchadnezzar's successor, then the Persian Empire and the kingdom of Alexander, which was divided after Alexander's death.

[BlackLookingGlass]

4a.

1 Maccabees describes the battles that occurred in the final prophecy of the Book of Daniel, and at 1:54 tells us, "On the fifteenth day of the month Chislev, in the year one hundred and forty-five,

the king erected the horrible abomination upon the altar of holocausts, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars." This was 167 BCE.

[BlackLookingGlass]

4b.

1 Maccabees goes on to tell us about the Jewish revolt in response to this desecration, with Judas Maccabaeus 'in the year one hundred and forty-eight' restoring sacrifice according to the law on

the new altar of holocausts. This was 164 BCE, just 3 years after the desecration also described in the Book of Daniel. Judas Maccabaeus achieved further victories over the Syrian overlords,

expanding the territory under local Judahite control and setting up a Jewish kingdom.

[BlackLookingGlass]

4c.

The author of Daniel knew about the desecration, but not the successful Maccabaean response to it, just three years later. Many commentators would therefore assume that the Book of Daniel

was written sometime between 167 and 164 BCE, soon after the desecration of the sanctuary. The book was not written during the Exile, but during the darkest period since the Exile to give the

people a sense of pride and hope for the future.

[BlackLookingGlass]

End 1a.

You said - "The Bible is obviously inspired by a being much greater than we" What is in the bible that could only have been written with the inspiration of a "deity"? Tell me what a human could not

have written.

Fossils? Fossils have no bearing on the subject at hand. If your not satisfied with what fossil evidence there is, or with the theory of evolution, that still doesn't prove the existence or porpouse for

a "deity".

[BlackLookingGlass]

End 1b.

You said - "Every time they stick a shovel in the sand over in the middle east they turn up something else that confirms the accuracy of the Bible" Like what? And what particular accuracy are

these things confirming?

The evidence is not there, but I sure would like to take a look at it when it's found! Darn that elusive deity!!

[VitalemRecords]

look at these two stroking each other off

[Daniel1RG]

Go Darrel!!!!!

[sandnigga4life1]

Darrel Rundus is a cool guy.

[TheVampirella]

As an atheist I wouldn't sell my eyes but I would sell my soul (which I do not believe exists).

[tsenzei]

So you'd be willing to knowingly commit fraud?

[Lsdfunk]

Way to sell your atheism!

;D

[Attackserien]

Wow I love this guy he's great!

[LTBL88]

death to the new world order

[visible777]

like this guy! hes a hardcore infowarrior

down with nwo scum elite!!!

[mldnathai]

It isn't about souls or eyes. It's about brains.

"Brai-ai-ains!!!"

[5to22a]

yep. they work overtime to prevent the public from communicating with the right-side of their brain...

[tsenzei]

Damn fast zombies.

[Jinniyah19]

this guy is pretty cool

[BParteese]

First Christian he has had on that didn't annoy me.

[tsenzei]

I agree some of them are a bit over the top, at least to my sensibilities. But you do know that Mr. Jones (and Bermas I believe) are both Christians as well right? I suppose the difference is they aren't preachers of their religion so much (though sometimes their bias shows through when they cover near-by topics) as they are suppliers of information and news of current events.

Anyway, definitely and interesting fellow. I hope his new site has success.

[PersianPaladin]

Christians are just part of the NWO.

[4000MILESdown]

So are Wiccans and Jain Buddhists.

[Poonard]

and a shitload of others dude.

[cdholder18]

if god was real hed come and terminate the gov

[theguitfiddle]

This is our mess to fix

[cdholder18]

i know im just saying,

[5to22a]

why, when we can do it? would you carry you cat to the litter tray? don't have to believe in god to realise that one, buddy. Together, we should all call for the arrest of the 300 families that control the world for crimes against humanity... Let's all write letters to our police. That would be a start...

[cdholder18]

alright i dont need a preacher, everytime i view the comments on these videos there's someone talking about praying before bed and just pray pray pray...youre a bigger sucker than you realize if youre one of those people

[tsenzei]

If all you do is pray, I'd agree. Heck, even the Bible says that God answers the prayers of those that work for what they pray for. But there isn't a problem, generally, with prayer in and of itself; it is simply no substitute for action. Of course, who and what you pray to will make a difference in what sort of answer you get. If you pray to the NWO for example, they may answer a bit differently.

[BrainChild666]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Gandi

[cdholder18]

thanks for telling me a story about thousands of year old prosple passed down by drunkin crack heads...worse of a conspiracy than anything alex has ever said...grats on ur award

[tsenzei]

1. What's "prosple"? Did you mean parable? Because even that wouldn't fit. It's not allegorical.

2. I can't even figure out what you're trying to say even aside from that word. I'd ASSUME that you're trying to say "thanks for telling me about something passed down by drunken crack heads" etc. But beyond that I'm unsure of what you're trying to imply.

3. When I say "heck, even the Bible" in the above context, it means: "even something as established and religious as the bible" (cont.)

[tsenzei]

(cont.) ... religious as the Bible" says to people to get off their arse and do something about it themselves.

Your own bigoted, poorly phrased opinions of religion aside, I largely agree with you. Yet that doesn't mean I do, or that you should, go out and pick a fight with people fighting for the same things you do just because they also pray.

If you want people that follow religions to be more open minded and less a bible-thumper; you have to lead by example or you'll get no-where with it.

[tsenzei]

Ah yes the old: "If God was real He'd do everything I want."

[mercuryrazvedka]

To be here right now you have walked out side "Plato's Cave" and it is your duty having been exposed to the light to lead others out of the cave.

You may be abused and questioned but you now have mission to inform others so they can walk in the light also.

Weather it is in a religious or humanist construct it does not matter, evil is evil in any construct, SPREAD THE WORD and lead others to the truth.

Well done Darrel Rundus! Follow his lead or lead your self just don't be cattle.

[kingrowanthefirst]

wow how cool is that, what a guy :-)

[PariahOfTheKOHLM]

So many are going to slowly HATE that we Christians are fighting the NWO as hard as we are. Dig. Dig. Dig. You will learn why.

Great vid! Thank you!

[xXJADEXx7]

least annoying church guy i've seen on the show.

[ZWXYQV]

So if a guest "downplays" the whole faith talk, then lil princess wont get all edgy and pissy about it huh?

~Respect for Elders and fellow Patriots.

[xXJADEXx7]

was a compliment dipshit.

[ZWXYQV]

"Church Guy"?

Dipshit

Annoying

your a vary respectable man, jesse lol

[OldSchoolAmerican]

Great guest 5*****

[StratusBlue]

Woot!

[ABOSOLUTEKNOWLEDGE]

owseome speach