What an Idiot.. you brought up Randy Johnson .. MIke... you dont think a guy like Randy Johnson could pitch the 8th or umm.. let me stretch..maybe the 9th in his prime..? Yeah .. I think he could.. thats just a think though
Mike is so clueless. The caller was right. The caller didn't say Joba was one of the 5 best pitchers in the majors but that he has one of the 5 lowest ERAs in the league since he became a starter last June, which was true. YES showed the statistic a number of times earlier in the year, though I think it might be a little dated after Joba's last couple of starts
Mike Francesa blowing up when he knows he's wrong is just priceless. The guy never said he IS a top 5 starter, he said his NUMBERS are among the top 5 in baseball.
Of course, anyone who actually looked at the stats, like Francesa requested during the broadcast, would see that Joba's career ERA is 3.25 as a starter, which as the caller said, is probably among the top 5-10 in all of baseball over that span.
Of course, people will twist stats any way they want.
Yankee Bullpen > Yankee Starters for each WS winning team..............1996, 1998, 1999, 2000...........it's the absolute truth............btw, the kid was right about joba's ere if you include last year as a starter...........but he's needed much more in the bullpen............mike had a wee bit too much caffeine, but he's right
hey bassbole, the intelligent baseball fan wants him in the pen for good.....no back and forth.....cashman's the #1 idiot that's always wanted him to be starter....Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes, & (hopefully Wang) is a more than adequate starting 5........much better than a pen with Coke, Veras, Ramirez.....
hahahaha omg Mike Fatcessca is a phyco. but the moron says Pettite should be a reliever. Haha some people are so dumb. But Fatcessca is cracking me up.
cmon man, you really think a guy who goes out once every few nights to throw one inning is the reason you win a championship? stop saying things that are silly.
if you force me to ill go get you the rotation and lineups from those championship yankee teams so you can see how incredible they were
You guys who say Joba belongs in the pen are fucking idiots. You just don't take a guy with the potential of Joba and put that in the pen. The pen is for failed starters and people who can't stay healthy, and Joba is none of those. Joba needs to stay in the rotation until he proves to us that he can't hack it in the rotation, then he can go into the pen. But until then, you guys are all fucking idiots.
in summation, a guy who is gonna go out every 5th day is much more valuable to your club then a guy who is gonna throw an inning at a time, and have what amounts to a random outing. A good starter is hard to come by, a good reliever varies based on the year....
Al reyes. These are all Names of closers who have been elite, but also terrible in a very short space of time. This is not a phenomenon, those are only names from the last 5 years or so, I could go on and on. Relievers fluctuate from year to year. Therefore, it makes no difference how dominant Joba was in the past, because a reliever throws one inning at a time(usually) anything can happen when he steps on the mound. Dosen't mean he is a bad pitcher, but relief pitching lends itself to that
It's really pathetic that this buffon Francesa has a radio show and has absolutely no knowledge of baseball. To think that Joba Chamberlain won't get better as a starter is foolishy. In fact, his performance to date should be encouraging because as long as he stays healthy, he should get better. Also, Francesa insisted that Hughes and Petitte are starting pitchers, well Joba Chamberlain is and has been a starter throughout his career. In fact, right now Chamberlain is better than both of them.
Not to mention, Joba's velocity is down and he has NEVER pitched past the 7th inning in any game he has ever started. Hughes did the other day. Andy Pettitte also has more wins and more quality starts than Joba does to date. Seriously, get some facts before you make stupid comments. And by the way, both guys have a lower WHIP than Joba does. He belongs in the bullpen for now.
oh really, with a banged up wang(i realized how funny that sounded as i was writing it) and a hughes who has been inconsistant? there is no way the rotation is "fine without him"
As far as mariano and paplebon goes, they are the exceptions, not the rules. You can name me 2 relievers who have been great their entire career, I can name you fifty that were up and down
the yankees won the championships with starting pitching and offense... like every team
also, if you want a discussion based on stats, it may be a good idea to stay away from completely irrelevent pitching statistics like Wins and Quality starts.
Lol, yeah I forgot wins are so overrated. Let me know when you actually watch the games and Joba doesn't give up runs in the 1st inning and actually manages to make it into the 8th inning of a game. Not to mention, have you even noticed how Joba's velocity is wayyyyy down. Guy isn't a top-flight starter now, that's just the facts. They are going to limit his innings this year to 150 or 160 anyway. Guess where he's going to be when he gets close to that count. Oh yeah, that's right, bullpen
The quickest way to tell that you're a moron is for you to assume I was talking about him not being an elite starter ever. Where did I ever say that? I said that right now he should be in the pen. End of story. He can be a starter when they stop babying him by putting a cap on his innings. I'm guessing that comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, eh?
But if you keep bouncing him from pen to rotation, how is he ever going to be a great pitcher? Let the kid focus on one aspect of pitching rather than going down to the pen and having to make a needless transition back to the rotation that would only set his development back further.
do you really not understand why constantly moving him is not such a great idea?
unc, there are certain people out there who think they know what they're talking about that will claim he should be starting right now... you have to ignore them.
Who cares? The fat kid is just an average starter and he proved he couldn't handle the pressure when he pitched in relief in the playoffs as well. He can't even throw hard anymore...he must have been on the juice with all those other Yankees back when he had velocity. Yankee fans are so dumb to argue about this stuff. The Yankees will find a way to screw it up anyway, they are the Yankees after all. Imagine what a real GM could do with their payroll.
Considering that he's 23, and this is his first full year at being a starter, only a complete idiot would look at Joba Chamberlain right now and think what he is now is all he's going to amount to.
Just because joba is not performing well right at this moment means nothing
Tank is in love with small sample sizes to tell how good a player is(when it siuts him)
Joba has the potential of striking out 10+batters a game. You don't put an arm like that in the pen.
what you guys who want him in the pen don't realizeis there is no such thing as a consistant reliever. All you have to do is look at brad lidge, heath bell, eric gagne, Jose valverde, and...
I totally disagree. Look at Mariano.. why did the Yankees will all of those championships? Joba is dominant as a reliever, as a starter, hes average. What do you see in him as a starter? I dont see the velocity, and I certainly dont like his choice of pitches. Look at Papelbon as well. Dominance wins championships. The rotation is fine w/o him..
Anyone who wants Chamberlain in the bullpen lacks simple fucking logic. Idiots like Mike tear Joba down at every opportunity because they can't handle that he did not get his way.
His Era is Faw!!!
Douchebag500 2 months ago
I love it.
DjGyroGuru 2 years ago
ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHAH!!!!!!!
Plus, Phil Hughes is now the best 8th inning RELIEF pitcher in the game.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL
buzzbigwig730 2 years ago
What an Idiot.. you brought up Randy Johnson .. MIke... you dont think a guy like Randy Johnson could pitch the 8th or umm.. let me stretch..maybe the 9th in his prime..? Yeah .. I think he could.. thats just a think though
Shredboy1 2 years ago 2
i seen this call live alex good stuff
gregtwins 2 years ago
Mike is so clueless. The caller was right. The caller didn't say Joba was one of the 5 best pitchers in the majors but that he has one of the 5 lowest ERAs in the league since he became a starter last June, which was true. YES showed the statistic a number of times earlier in the year, though I think it might be a little dated after Joba's last couple of starts
LanceBeckman 2 years ago
This is a classic.
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Chris24234 2 years ago
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ImagesAR 2 years ago
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ajogg 2 years ago
What Alex should have said is that Joba has a top 5 ERA LIFETIME as a starter, not this season.
buzzbigwig730 2 years ago
mike francesa is such a clown
a7x1337 2 years ago
HIS ERA DIS YEAR IS FHAW!!
reupreupreup 2 years ago
Mike Francesa blowing up when he knows he's wrong is just priceless. The guy never said he IS a top 5 starter, he said his NUMBERS are among the top 5 in baseball.
Of course, anyone who actually looked at the stats, like Francesa requested during the broadcast, would see that Joba's career ERA is 3.25 as a starter, which as the caller said, is probably among the top 5-10 in all of baseball over that span.
Of course, people will twist stats any way they want.
ourumov198 2 years ago
77 base runners in 53.3 innings. His luck can only run so long. If he keeps letting that many guys on base, it's gonna bite him in the ass.
sarginto 2 years ago 2
he's TWENTY TWO. can we let da kid grow up a little first befaw we stay he can't stawt??
dmp78 2 years ago
by the way... stop talking about the innings cap.... how many starters pitch more then 175 innings now anyway
not many
ur acting like he wont get enough work in to be effective or something.
bassbole 2 years ago
Yankee Bullpen > Yankee Starters for each WS winning team..............1996, 1998, 1999, 2000...........it's the absolute truth............btw, the kid was right about joba's ere if you include last year as a starter...........but he's needed much more in the bullpen............mike had a wee bit too much caffeine, but he's right
landrigan17 2 years ago
hey bassbole, the intelligent baseball fan wants him in the pen for good.....no back and forth.....cashman's the #1 idiot that's always wanted him to be starter....Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes, & (hopefully Wang) is a more than adequate starting 5........much better than a pen with Coke, Veras, Ramirez.....
landrigan17 2 years ago
whatever, u cant argue with people who are just being stubborn
bassbole 2 years ago
YOU MADD YOU MAAAAAAAAAAAD
southozp 2 years ago
hahahaha omg Mike Fatcessca is a phyco. but the moron says Pettite should be a reliever. Haha some people are so dumb. But Fatcessca is cracking me up.
nbbulldogs21 2 years ago
cmon man, you really think a guy who goes out once every few nights to throw one inning is the reason you win a championship? stop saying things that are silly.
if you force me to ill go get you the rotation and lineups from those championship yankee teams so you can see how incredible they were
bassbole 2 years ago
the phillies did not win anything because of brad lidge
they won because brett myers and jamie moyer pitched exceedingly well(flukey) with hamels annd the offense is incredible
bassbole 2 years ago
You guys who say Joba belongs in the pen are fucking idiots. You just don't take a guy with the potential of Joba and put that in the pen. The pen is for failed starters and people who can't stay healthy, and Joba is none of those. Joba needs to stay in the rotation until he proves to us that he can't hack it in the rotation, then he can go into the pen. But until then, you guys are all fucking idiots.
CutlerisGod39 2 years ago
in summation, a guy who is gonna go out every 5th day is much more valuable to your club then a guy who is gonna throw an inning at a time, and have what amounts to a random outing. A good starter is hard to come by, a good reliever varies based on the year....
its the rotation for joba, and its a no brainer
bassbole 2 years ago
Al reyes. These are all Names of closers who have been elite, but also terrible in a very short space of time. This is not a phenomenon, those are only names from the last 5 years or so, I could go on and on. Relievers fluctuate from year to year. Therefore, it makes no difference how dominant Joba was in the past, because a reliever throws one inning at a time(usually) anything can happen when he steps on the mound. Dosen't mean he is a bad pitcher, but relief pitching lends itself to that
bassbole 2 years ago
Joba Chamberlain did beat Rick Porcello head to head this year, so Francesa misses the point there.
I however, am a Joba in the pen guy.
abbott322 2 years ago
Francesa is a moron
keeper1125 2 years ago
Do you have to call Mike Francesa an idiot just because you disagree? Come on.
Im not a Yankees fan, but Joba belongs in the pen.
wa2k99 2 years ago
I love Mike
Joba belongs in the bullpen
yankstixman 2 years ago
It's really pathetic that this buffon Francesa has a radio show and has absolutely no knowledge of baseball. To think that Joba Chamberlain won't get better as a starter is foolishy. In fact, his performance to date should be encouraging because as long as he stays healthy, he should get better. Also, Francesa insisted that Hughes and Petitte are starting pitchers, well Joba Chamberlain is and has been a starter throughout his career. In fact, right now Chamberlain is better than both of them.
sjs234 2 years ago
What games have you been watching?
uncjjb24 2 years ago
Not to mention, Joba's velocity is down and he has NEVER pitched past the 7th inning in any game he has ever started. Hughes did the other day. Andy Pettitte also has more wins and more quality starts than Joba does to date. Seriously, get some facts before you make stupid comments. And by the way, both guys have a lower WHIP than Joba does. He belongs in the bullpen for now.
uncjjb24 2 years ago
I agree.
yankstixman 2 years ago
Thanks buddy!
uncjjb24 2 years ago
"the rotation is fine without him"
oh really, with a banged up wang(i realized how funny that sounded as i was writing it) and a hughes who has been inconsistant? there is no way the rotation is "fine without him"
As far as mariano and paplebon goes, they are the exceptions, not the rules. You can name me 2 relievers who have been great their entire career, I can name you fifty that were up and down
the yankees won the championships with starting pitching and offense... like every team
bassbole 2 years ago
also, if you want a discussion based on stats, it may be a good idea to stay away from completely irrelevent pitching statistics like Wins and Quality starts.
just maybe...
bassbole 2 years ago
Lol, yeah I forgot wins are so overrated. Let me know when you actually watch the games and Joba doesn't give up runs in the 1st inning and actually manages to make it into the 8th inning of a game. Not to mention, have you even noticed how Joba's velocity is wayyyyy down. Guy isn't a top-flight starter now, that's just the facts. They are going to limit his innings this year to 150 or 160 anyway. Guess where he's going to be when he gets close to that count. Oh yeah, that's right, bullpen
uncjjb24 2 years ago
you're being short sighted, like the typical idiot baseball fan.
forget this year, 2-3 years down the road he can be an elite pitcher.
btw, the quickest way to tell if someone knows anything about baseball is to ask them if "wins" is a viable way to measure how good a pitcher is.
bassbole 2 years ago
The quickest way to tell that you're a moron is for you to assume I was talking about him not being an elite starter ever. Where did I ever say that? I said that right now he should be in the pen. End of story. He can be a starter when they stop babying him by putting a cap on his innings. I'm guessing that comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, eh?
uncjjb24 2 years ago
i never said you said that either.
But if you keep bouncing him from pen to rotation, how is he ever going to be a great pitcher? Let the kid focus on one aspect of pitching rather than going down to the pen and having to make a needless transition back to the rotation that would only set his development back further.
do you really not understand why constantly moving him is not such a great idea?
bassbole 2 years ago
but that is really secondary to the main point:
this rotation is banged up and he needs to be there... and andy pettite is not pitching after this year.... what happens after this year?
joba needs to be there, you are wasting talent putting him in the bullpen
bassbole 2 years ago
unc, there are certain people out there who think they know what they're talking about that will claim he should be starting right now... you have to ignore them.
MDubs585 2 years ago
relax, mike
you have young kids...
scrum7 2 years ago
Mike proving once again that he's clueless.
edsb41 2 years ago
Awesome...Get more clips!!!
vector1701 2 years ago
Awesome video. New site is great!
jtc291980 2 years ago
Is Andy Pettite a starting pitcher???
gojetsrc 2 years ago
Mike at his irate BEST! I miss the Dog still together they were a no. 1 sports talk show team
sny625 2 years ago
Who cares? The fat kid is just an average starter and he proved he couldn't handle the pressure when he pitched in relief in the playoffs as well. He can't even throw hard anymore...he must have been on the juice with all those other Yankees back when he had velocity. Yankee fans are so dumb to argue about this stuff. The Yankees will find a way to screw it up anyway, they are the Yankees after all. Imagine what a real GM could do with their payroll.
MrJackRyan13 2 years ago
Considering that he's 23, and this is his first full year at being a starter, only a complete idiot would look at Joba Chamberlain right now and think what he is now is all he's going to amount to.
NationOfAnimation 2 years ago
A. the kid never said he's one of the best in baseball
B. Joba belongs in the rotation, mike is an idiot
bassbole 2 years ago
No he doesnt you mornon. He goes 4-5 innings a start, guy cant pitch in the rotation, are you blind?
yankstixman 2 years ago
i'll explain slow...
Just because joba is not performing well right at this moment means nothing
Tank is in love with small sample sizes to tell how good a player is(when it siuts him)
Joba has the potential of striking out 10+batters a game. You don't put an arm like that in the pen.
what you guys who want him in the pen don't realizeis there is no such thing as a consistant reliever. All you have to do is look at brad lidge, heath bell, eric gagne, Jose valverde, and...
bassbole 2 years ago
I totally disagree. Look at Mariano.. why did the Yankees will all of those championships? Joba is dominant as a reliever, as a starter, hes average. What do you see in him as a starter? I dont see the velocity, and I certainly dont like his choice of pitches. Look at Papelbon as well. Dominance wins championships. The rotation is fine w/o him..
yankstixman 2 years ago
Anyone who wants Chamberlain in the bullpen lacks simple fucking logic. Idiots like Mike tear Joba down at every opportunity because they can't handle that he did not get his way.
Justinbacca 2 years ago