@2515564 "Good luck brother! )) Elementary laws of physics apparently do not you know)" Thanks for the luck. Which laws of physics do you mean, and in what way are they being ignored in the video?
@adanieltorres Давление (тяга) жидкости в правой части трубы, не достаточно чтобы тянуть жидкость из правой части, а магнит в данном случае лишь оттягивает жидкость на турбину, а не тянет ее вниз. Если бы правая часть трубы находилась ниже левой, при этом не текла в тот же сосуд, то давления хватило для свободного течения, но магнит был бы не нужен в такой конструкции.
@2515564 Do you agree that a magnet would make the liquid flow faster through a standard siphon setup? If yes, then one could raise the exit of the siphon, maybe higher than the level of liquid. If no, then why not?
@adanieltorres Можно, но не на много. При условии что магниты будут достаточно мощные и будут расположены вдоль трубки, чтобы избежать притягивания капель к магнитам.
@2515564 "It is possible, but not by much. Provided that the magnets are quite powerful and will be located along the tube to avoid the pull drops to magnets." If one can raise the exit of the siphon higher than the level of the liquid, then a tiny turbine could be placed somewhere between the exit and the liquid level.
@adanieltorres Единственое что я могу предложить, зациклить жидкость в сосуде, используя трубу, правый конец которой был погружен в сосуд, а магниты располагались по бокам трубы и тянули жидкость вниз, но в такой конструкции остается проблема с расположением турбины.
@2515564 Do I understand correctly that you suggest magnets placed on the side of the tube would help the liquid move through the tube better than magnets placed at the exit of the tube? I think magnets at the side of the tube would make the liquid stick to the sides of the tube.
@adanieltorres Все верно, прилипания к стенкам трубы можно избежать, расположив магниты на более дальнем расстянии, и дать начальный толчок жидкости, тогда жидкость будет протекать далее по трубе, вытесняясь жидкостью притягиваемой магнитом. Но эта реакция не может быть вечной.
@2515564 "That's right, sticking to the walls of the tube can be avoided by placing the magnets on the more distant rasstyanii, and a starting fluid, then the liquid will flow further along the tube, displacing the fluid attracted by a magnet. However, this reaction can not be eternal." I am confused. Are there two liquids? What is a rasstyanii?
you'll need to reasearch fluid dynamic and barometric pressure, but in small scale it will work, how much sow you'll just have to try and see. whats the ultimate goal of your design?
@juwannaman4 Well, my goal with this series of videos is to try to come up with new ways of putting basic concepts together, testing our understanding of them. Clearly, if the concept works, the design could be used to generate small amounts of energy over a long period of time, but whether it works or not is secondary to the learning process, for me, at least.
The idea is nice but bears some limitations: the first i can think of is air pressure. even in a closed system the rise of the tube could only go so high as the air pressure allows, and with the dense ferrofluid, would have major limits. the other factor is changing the magnet. the work added to the system is in the magnet, and even neodymium magnets will loose effectiveness in time. you'll have to re prime the system with every change
@juwannaman4 Thanks. Do you think the rise of the tube could be high enough to get flow going? Perhaps there is a way to line up several magnets to take each other's place, over time. If this worked, even with a limited life for the magnet and/or the fluid, I would still consider it a success. Thanks.
@adanieltorres id need to know the exact density of the ferrofluid and its viscosity, and the diameter of the pipe. basically you cant "pull" the fluid any harder than air pressure pushes. further, the amount of energy you'll get from the system will never be more than the height of the pipes exit opening. what kinda scale are you thinking?
@juwannaman4 I have never worked with ferrofluids, and don't know much of the different choices available. I had only heard of mixing vegetable oil with printer toner when I came up with this idea. I disagree the magnet's "pull" would not affect how hard the air pressure can push because even if it just pulls what's at the tip of the tube, that will reduce the amount of push necessary. I'm thinking small scales that maximize flow, and a much shorter tube.
I see the potential. A magnetic force acting on a ferroactive liquid to pull the syphon instead of gravity. I might try a horizontal build with a smaller volume of liquid being pulled magnetically thru a turbine that is in the tube.
@btwicked That sounds like an excellent way to test the concept. My fear is that the liquid will just "solidify" when exposed to the magnetic field instead of being pulled by it. Be sure to come back and let us know what happens!
i dont get siphoning part. Magnetic liquid is siphoned by a magnet ?? so, magnet pulls it up ? if magnet is so strong that it pulls fluid all the way up, then what prevents it from pulling all the fluid to itself ? who u direct it through the tube ? ok, when it drops from the tube what prevents it from sticking to the magnet in the mid air ?
@efrow Imagine first a container without the magnet, and a siphon pulling the liquid to a lower level. The question in such a situation is if a magnet at the mouth of that siphon would help the ferroliquid through. If so, then one should be able to raise the mouth of the siphon. If the effect is strong enough, then one should be able to raise the mouth of the siphon higher than the original level. Big ifs, and many of them, but interesting to think about.
@efrow As to what prevents it from sticking to the magnet in mid air, I'm imagining that there exists a distance from the liquid that is close enough for the magnet to pull the liquid but far enough away that gravity prevents the liquid from reaching the magnet.
its frustrating, on one side i know that its inpossible becouse magnets dont actualy create energy , but i realy cant find any reason wye it woudent work !!!!
@trombonista92 My guess is that the magnet's pulling of the liquid will be countered by the magnet's causing the liquid to thicken (i.e., particles attracting each other within the liquid).
@kburman6 Thanks. Imagine a regular siphon setup, where the liquid goes from a higher level to a lower level. The thought experiment, here, assumes that by putting a magnet at the exit of the siphon, the liquid would be pulled faster than without the magnet. If that assumption is true, then we could theoretically raise the exit of the siphon until it is higher than than the original level and still have it pull liquid through.
Удачи брат! )) Элементарные законы физики видимо тебе не знакомы)
2515564 2 months ago
@2515564 "Good luck brother! )) Elementary laws of physics apparently do not you know)" Thanks for the luck. Which laws of physics do you mean, and in what way are they being ignored in the video?
adanieltorres 2 months ago
@adanieltorres Давление (тяга) жидкости в правой части трубы, не достаточно чтобы тянуть жидкость из правой части, а магнит в данном случае лишь оттягивает жидкость на турбину, а не тянет ее вниз. Если бы правая часть трубы находилась ниже левой, при этом не текла в тот же сосуд, то давления хватило для свободного течения, но магнит был бы не нужен в такой конструкции.
2515564 2 months ago
@2515564 Do you agree that a magnet would make the liquid flow faster through a standard siphon setup? If yes, then one could raise the exit of the siphon, maybe higher than the level of liquid. If no, then why not?
adanieltorres 2 months ago
@adanieltorres Можно, но не на много. При условии что магниты будут достаточно мощные и будут расположены вдоль трубки, чтобы избежать притягивания капель к магнитам.
2515564 2 months ago
@2515564 "It is possible, but not by much. Provided that the magnets are quite powerful and will be located along the tube to avoid the pull drops to magnets." If one can raise the exit of the siphon higher than the level of the liquid, then a tiny turbine could be placed somewhere between the exit and the liquid level.
adanieltorres 2 months ago
@adanieltorres Единственое что я могу предложить, зациклить жидкость в сосуде, используя трубу, правый конец которой был погружен в сосуд, а магниты располагались по бокам трубы и тянули жидкость вниз, но в такой конструкции остается проблема с расположением турбины.
2515564 2 months ago
@2515564 Do I understand correctly that you suggest magnets placed on the side of the tube would help the liquid move through the tube better than magnets placed at the exit of the tube? I think magnets at the side of the tube would make the liquid stick to the sides of the tube.
adanieltorres 2 months ago
@adanieltorres Все верно, прилипания к стенкам трубы можно избежать, расположив магниты на более дальнем расстянии, и дать начальный толчок жидкости, тогда жидкость будет протекать далее по трубе, вытесняясь жидкостью притягиваемой магнитом. Но эта реакция не может быть вечной.
2515564 2 months ago
@2515564 "That's right, sticking to the walls of the tube can be avoided by placing the magnets on the more distant rasstyanii, and a starting fluid, then the liquid will flow further along the tube, displacing the fluid attracted by a magnet. However, this reaction can not be eternal." I am confused. Are there two liquids? What is a rasstyanii?
adanieltorres 2 months ago
you'll need to reasearch fluid dynamic and barometric pressure, but in small scale it will work, how much sow you'll just have to try and see. whats the ultimate goal of your design?
juwannaman4 3 months ago
@juwannaman4 Well, my goal with this series of videos is to try to come up with new ways of putting basic concepts together, testing our understanding of them. Clearly, if the concept works, the design could be used to generate small amounts of energy over a long period of time, but whether it works or not is secondary to the learning process, for me, at least.
adanieltorres 3 months ago
The idea is nice but bears some limitations: the first i can think of is air pressure. even in a closed system the rise of the tube could only go so high as the air pressure allows, and with the dense ferrofluid, would have major limits. the other factor is changing the magnet. the work added to the system is in the magnet, and even neodymium magnets will loose effectiveness in time. you'll have to re prime the system with every change
juwannaman4 4 months ago
@juwannaman4 Thanks. Do you think the rise of the tube could be high enough to get flow going? Perhaps there is a way to line up several magnets to take each other's place, over time. If this worked, even with a limited life for the magnet and/or the fluid, I would still consider it a success. Thanks.
adanieltorres 4 months ago
@adanieltorres id need to know the exact density of the ferrofluid and its viscosity, and the diameter of the pipe. basically you cant "pull" the fluid any harder than air pressure pushes. further, the amount of energy you'll get from the system will never be more than the height of the pipes exit opening. what kinda scale are you thinking?
juwannaman4 3 months ago
@juwannaman4 I have never worked with ferrofluids, and don't know much of the different choices available. I had only heard of mixing vegetable oil with printer toner when I came up with this idea. I disagree the magnet's "pull" would not affect how hard the air pressure can push because even if it just pulls what's at the tip of the tube, that will reduce the amount of push necessary. I'm thinking small scales that maximize flow, and a much shorter tube.
adanieltorres 3 months ago
Genius!
modelslist 5 months ago
@modelslist :) ty
adanieltorres 5 months ago
use that idea with herons fountain and youve got an amazing combo
hideHYDEimcoming 5 months ago
@hideHYDEimcoming Hmmm... Interesting.
adanieltorres 5 months ago
I see the potential. A magnetic force acting on a ferroactive liquid to pull the syphon instead of gravity. I might try a horizontal build with a smaller volume of liquid being pulled magnetically thru a turbine that is in the tube.
btwicked 5 months ago
@btwicked That sounds like an excellent way to test the concept. My fear is that the liquid will just "solidify" when exposed to the magnetic field instead of being pulled by it. Be sure to come back and let us know what happens!
adanieltorres 5 months ago
i dont get siphoning part. Magnetic liquid is siphoned by a magnet ?? so, magnet pulls it up ? if magnet is so strong that it pulls fluid all the way up, then what prevents it from pulling all the fluid to itself ? who u direct it through the tube ? ok, when it drops from the tube what prevents it from sticking to the magnet in the mid air ?
efrow 9 months ago
@efrow Imagine first a container without the magnet, and a siphon pulling the liquid to a lower level. The question in such a situation is if a magnet at the mouth of that siphon would help the ferroliquid through. If so, then one should be able to raise the mouth of the siphon. If the effect is strong enough, then one should be able to raise the mouth of the siphon higher than the original level. Big ifs, and many of them, but interesting to think about.
adanieltorres 9 months ago
@efrow As to what prevents it from sticking to the magnet in mid air, I'm imagining that there exists a distance from the liquid that is close enough for the magnet to pull the liquid but far enough away that gravity prevents the liquid from reaching the magnet.
adanieltorres 9 months ago
its frustrating, on one side i know that its inpossible becouse magnets dont actualy create energy , but i realy cant find any reason wye it woudent work !!!!
trombonista92 10 months ago
@trombonista92 My guess is that the magnet's pulling of the liquid will be countered by the magnet's causing the liquid to thicken (i.e., particles attracting each other within the liquid).
adanieltorres 10 months ago
Very nice idea! But that'll have to be one heckuva magnet... They need to test that on mythbusters!
Glitchmaster1504 1 year ago
nice idea but can i know how will maintain a continuous cycle against gravity
kburman6 1 year ago
@kburman6 Thanks. Imagine a regular siphon setup, where the liquid goes from a higher level to a lower level. The thought experiment, here, assumes that by putting a magnet at the exit of the siphon, the liquid would be pulled faster than without the magnet. If that assumption is true, then we could theoretically raise the exit of the siphon until it is higher than than the original level and still have it pull liquid through.
adanieltorres 1 year ago