Feast of trumpets (Rash Hashanah) on Sept 29th 2011 (+or- 1 or 2 days) looking like the real deal with many signs and coincidentces falling into place! Or within 7 days prior! Rev. 12 - The woman w/child: Constilation virgo; moon WILL be at her feet, and venus (morningstar) in the mid section. During daylight hours (clothed in the Sun). Still waiting to see if the USA votes in UN to allow a Palistinian state in a few days on the 23rd. TIME TO GET SAVED!
Regardless of who is taken and who is left it still does not happen until after the coming of the Son of Man which is after the great tribulation highlighted points in paretheses
If that were true, Lot and Noah would have remained in the cities below -- instead they were divinely relocated. That is why Jesus cited them. The word "paralambano" actually means "received near," while "harpazo" means to be urgently "snatched up." The virgin parable makes no mention of Christ coming in clouds of glory, thus "paralambano" occurs "at midnight" (Matt 25:6.) Jesus said: "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN." For the wedding, we require FAVOR with the Father.
@jayorama1 For any pre-tribulation believer, I would like to ask some questions 1) Do you have to be dead to be resurrected ? 2) When are dead in Christ raised ? 3) when do we appear before Jesus without sin ? 4) Would you please use three verses of the scriptures?
The word "resurrection" is translated from the Greek "anastasis" (G386) and applies to the raising up of one previously dead. All references to resurrection in the NT make use of this word. The dead in Christ are raised at the second coming, when "harpazo" (final rapture) also occurs (1 Thess 4:16-17.) Jesus prophesied "paralambano," which occurs at "midnight" (Matt 25:6) in the parable of the virgins, in which no reference is made to resurrection or His appearing.
@jayorama1 it is referenced because matt. 25:6 is only part of the teaching of his coming and kingdom in Mathew he started in chapter 24 and Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. and in Mark it is written Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
The virgin parable is a complete teaching whose context points to "paralambano," not to the second coming. It is not about the hour on a clock, my friend, but to the watch in which a thief is likely to strike. We require FAVOR with the Father in order to attend His Son's wedding (Matt 22:1-14), which is why Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN," and "...pray always that you be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape ALL these things..." We cannot be counted worthy of salvation!
@jayorama1 Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. -(and it is about watching and written twice in two verses in mathew talking about the second coming)- Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Watching is an act of readiness required to be received at "paralambano," while the event Paul referred to as "harpazo" is a universal gathering of saints at the return of Christ (Matt 24:31.) Most christians will have been martyred before the second coming, so few will experience "harpazo." The problem with your interpretation is that it relies on semantics rather than context. Also remember that "no prophecy of scripture is given to private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)
@jayorama1 Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the (coming of the Son of man) be.
Mat 24:40 (Then) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. - first the coming of my Lord Jesus then the the gathering the coming is after the tribulation Mathew 24:30
Mat 24:29 ¶ (Immediately after the tribulation) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 (And then) shall appear the sign of the (Son of man) in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the (Son of man coming) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
@jayorama1 are you sure about the seals only being opened after the removal of the bride of christ? the seventh trumpet could easily be interpreted as the rapture. The seals opening and the trumpets blowing only signify the beginning of the events not the actual time or order in which the concequences occur. For example trumpet 6 will not occur in a day or moment it will take time to build a 200million man army and time for it to be loosed on the Earth.6 trumpet could blow today but take 4yrs
I'm very sure because it was shown it to me. I know people say that, but I promise you it's the truth. I like your thinking, however I no longer have to wonder about the "timing" question because that's what was shown to me. Yes, conditions will build to a point of critical mass, and THAT'S when a trumpet sounds, not before. Maybe it seems unlikely, but the events of Rev. and the associated seals (trumpets, vials, etc.) are really one and the same. It's just that simple. Shalom
Since the decree of Daniel 9:25 more than likely went out before Jerusalem was restored to Israel in the June 1967 war or when the knesset voted to rebuild Jerusalem 42yrs +62wks later here we are July 30th 2010-June 2012 sometime in that range the rapture should occur. Sometime before the rapture probable weeks Ezekiels 38-39, Daniel 11 and Revelations war prophecies should begin.
Daniel 9:26 makes it clear that there will be a rapture after the 62wks for how else could the annointed one be cut off except by gods perfect knowledge and power. Since the church is the body of christ then it is we that will be cut off. There is no other explaination for this verse in the context of Daniel 9:27 and 9:25. To say that the cut off is Jesus failing when he returns is disingenuous so to obfuscate these verses they are often tied to Jesus life on earth. Matt 24:15
I find your comments hard to follow, especially since Daniel's vision is not about the "rapture." Your comment that "it is we (the church) that will be cut off" has merit because there is a large portion of the christian community that will *not* be prepared for the removal of His bride. It would be more accurate to say that INDIVIDUALS who are unprepared will be "cut off" and will later be "purified," as prophesied in Daniel 12:10.
I meant to address the scriptures you quoted. First, only verses that pertain to prophecy directly can be used to address prophetic fulfillment. One might just as easily use John 17:15 to say that we are never meant to enter heaven at all, which is clearly absurd. Your *system* of interpretation shows that ANY verse can be used to contradict ANY other verse using the semantics of lexicon. This is bad hermeneutics! FOR SOUND INTERPRETATION, KNOW YOUR GREEK!
The Greek words "paralambano" and "harpazo" both refer to "lifting" events prophesied by Jesus in Matthew 24. Even the prepositional modifer "ek" used in Matthew 24:40 shows that "paralambano" brings a separation of those who are "taken away." Since Noah and his family were removed *before* the fall of Judgment on the earth, your interpretation of these verses directly contradicts the words of Jesus: "As in the days of Noah..." See my video: "Seven Days of the Lord."
@QuietBuck There is a "catching away" in the Bible and THAT is what the Rapture is based upon..
Remember..those who say WE as the Church go through the Great Trib..actually bring a message that says "Anti Christ is coming" not "Jesus is coming..!! So who really brings the "false message"..about Jesus..? Right those who DENY him now as coming back first..!
Feast of trumpets (Rash Hashanah) on Sept 29th 2011 (+or- 1 or 2 days) looking like the real deal with many signs and coincidentces falling into place! Or within 7 days prior! Rev. 12 - The woman w/child: Constilation virgo; moon WILL be at her feet, and venus (morningstar) in the mid section. During daylight hours (clothed in the Sun). Still waiting to see if the USA votes in UN to allow a Palistinian state in a few days on the 23rd. TIME TO GET SAVED!
weelgunny 5 months ago
Regardless of who is taken and who is left it still does not happen until after the coming of the Son of Man which is after the great tribulation highlighted points in paretheses
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
@thetruthimpart
If that were true, Lot and Noah would have remained in the cities below -- instead they were divinely relocated. That is why Jesus cited them. The word "paralambano" actually means "received near," while "harpazo" means to be urgently "snatched up." The virgin parable makes no mention of Christ coming in clouds of glory, thus "paralambano" occurs "at midnight" (Matt 25:6.) Jesus said: "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN." For the wedding, we require FAVOR with the Father.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 For any pre-tribulation believer, I would like to ask some questions 1) Do you have to be dead to be resurrected ? 2) When are dead in Christ raised ? 3) when do we appear before Jesus without sin ? 4) Would you please use three verses of the scriptures?
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
@thetruthimpart
The word "resurrection" is translated from the Greek "anastasis" (G386) and applies to the raising up of one previously dead. All references to resurrection in the NT make use of this word. The dead in Christ are raised at the second coming, when "harpazo" (final rapture) also occurs (1 Thess 4:16-17.) Jesus prophesied "paralambano," which occurs at "midnight" (Matt 25:6) in the parable of the virgins, in which no reference is made to resurrection or His appearing.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 it is referenced because matt. 25:6 is only part of the teaching of his coming and kingdom in Mathew he started in chapter 24 and Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. and in Mark it is written Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
@thetruthimpart
The virgin parable is a complete teaching whose context points to "paralambano," not to the second coming. It is not about the hour on a clock, my friend, but to the watch in which a thief is likely to strike. We require FAVOR with the Father in order to attend His Son's wedding (Matt 22:1-14), which is why Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN," and "...pray always that you be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape ALL these things..." We cannot be counted worthy of salvation!
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. -(and it is about watching and written twice in two verses in mathew talking about the second coming)- Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
@thetruthimpart
Watching is an act of readiness required to be received at "paralambano," while the event Paul referred to as "harpazo" is a universal gathering of saints at the return of Christ (Matt 24:31.) Most christians will have been martyred before the second coming, so few will experience "harpazo." The problem with your interpretation is that it relies on semantics rather than context. Also remember that "no prophecy of scripture is given to private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the (coming of the Son of man) be.
Mat 24:40 (Then) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. - first the coming of my Lord Jesus then the the gathering the coming is after the tribulation Mathew 24:30
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
Mat 24:29 ¶ (Immediately after the tribulation) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 (And then) shall appear the sign of the (Son of man) in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the (Son of man coming) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the (coming of the Son of man) be.
Mat 24:40 (Then) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
thetruthimpart 1 year ago
i can use this as a my lil study session its interesting i'll have tto take more time so study it
awaken4knowledge 1 year ago
@awaken4knowledge
I'm glad you thought it was interesting, I came close to taking it down the other day. Jesus bless you.
jayorama1 1 year ago
In I thess 4:16-17 God blows the trumpet and the book of Revelation
ANGELS blow the trumpets.
And there are trumpets also blown during the 1000 years after the Trib period.
allalan 1 year ago
that beat is tight.
cash4medaily 1 year ago
@jayorama1 are you sure about the seals only being opened after the removal of the bride of christ? the seventh trumpet could easily be interpreted as the rapture. The seals opening and the trumpets blowing only signify the beginning of the events not the actual time or order in which the concequences occur. For example trumpet 6 will not occur in a day or moment it will take time to build a 200million man army and time for it to be loosed on the Earth.6 trumpet could blow today but take 4yrs
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit
I'm very sure because it was shown it to me. I know people say that, but I promise you it's the truth. I like your thinking, however I no longer have to wonder about the "timing" question because that's what was shown to me. Yes, conditions will build to a point of critical mass, and THAT'S when a trumpet sounds, not before. Maybe it seems unlikely, but the events of Rev. and the associated seals (trumpets, vials, etc.) are really one and the same. It's just that simple. Shalom
jayorama1 1 year ago
Since the decree of Daniel 9:25 more than likely went out before Jerusalem was restored to Israel in the June 1967 war or when the knesset voted to rebuild Jerusalem 42yrs +62wks later here we are July 30th 2010-June 2012 sometime in that range the rapture should occur. Sometime before the rapture probable weeks Ezekiels 38-39, Daniel 11 and Revelations war prophecies should begin.
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit
Thank you for your comment. The seals of Revelation will be opened only *after* the Bride of Christ is removed.
jayorama1 1 year ago
Daniel 9:26 makes it clear that there will be a rapture after the 62wks for how else could the annointed one be cut off except by gods perfect knowledge and power. Since the church is the body of christ then it is we that will be cut off. There is no other explaination for this verse in the context of Daniel 9:27 and 9:25. To say that the cut off is Jesus failing when he returns is disingenuous so to obfuscate these verses they are often tied to Jesus life on earth. Matt 24:15
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit
I find your comments hard to follow, especially since Daniel's vision is not about the "rapture." Your comment that "it is we (the church) that will be cut off" has merit because there is a large portion of the christian community that will *not* be prepared for the removal of His bride. It would be more accurate to say that INDIVIDUALS who are unprepared will be "cut off" and will later be "purified," as prophesied in Daniel 12:10.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@QuietBuck
I meant to address the scriptures you quoted. First, only verses that pertain to prophecy directly can be used to address prophetic fulfillment. One might just as easily use John 17:15 to say that we are never meant to enter heaven at all, which is clearly absurd. Your *system* of interpretation shows that ANY verse can be used to contradict ANY other verse using the semantics of lexicon. This is bad hermeneutics! FOR SOUND INTERPRETATION, KNOW YOUR GREEK!
jayorama1 1 year ago
@QuietBuck
The Greek words "paralambano" and "harpazo" both refer to "lifting" events prophesied by Jesus in Matthew 24. Even the prepositional modifer "ek" used in Matthew 24:40 shows that "paralambano" brings a separation of those who are "taken away." Since Noah and his family were removed *before* the fall of Judgment on the earth, your interpretation of these verses directly contradicts the words of Jesus: "As in the days of Noah..." See my video: "Seven Days of the Lord."
jayorama1 1 year ago
@QuietBuck There is a "catching away" in the Bible and THAT is what the Rapture is based upon..
Remember..those who say WE as the Church go through the Great Trib..actually bring a message that says "Anti Christ is coming" not "Jesus is coming..!! So who really brings the "false message"..about Jesus..? Right those who DENY him now as coming back first..!
EWETUBER2 1 year ago