Wawota High School Lock Down PT 3 of 3

[SquirtMN23]

SKMP...you guys are such idiots! A school?! Really?! Get a REAL job.

[hell0420]

LOL good job for the SKMP marijuana...this is taking way too long to get marijuana legalized it ridiculous keep on suppoting :)

[suckyazn]

Promoting drugs to children... If this is not drug culture... then what the fuck is this. Why don't you look up the facts you idiot. oh and did one of your signs say delete censorship? umm

no. whats up with that?

[suckyazn]

if i had a witch stick, i would bust it over you ass drugy.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

lol ... violence: the last resort of the feeble minded.

[leland97]

You ass Why the hell did you come to meh school

[suckyazn]

Wow. Is this what you do for a living? Stand outside schools blowing your obnoxious marijuana breath all over these children. You want to why this school is under lockdown, to keep its kids away from hemp men eccentrics like you. why dont you just pack up, go home, and get a life. This is why im glad marijuana is totally illegal in the US. Hmmm, oh Canada, when will you learn.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Neither the SKMP nor the camera operator were under any obligation to help this woman make sense. That was up to her when she voluntarily choose, of her own volition, without invitation, to march up to the camera and say her thang...

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

People that make assumptions like 'I like how the protesters holding the signs look like they would also support same sex marriage', in my experience, are intellectually incapable of explaining thier beliefs in a rational manner. You seem to fit this theory.

[bdeptuck]

No wonder the marijuana party has zero credibility! Did they let her finish even one sentence without making some broad and ridiculous insinuations. Freedom of speech is not limitless. Marijuana is still illegal.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Your right, there are limits if the speech has the ability to hurt someone, or, if you live in a country that is not democratic.

This video is a presentation of events as recorded by the SKMP. Other people could have made their own if they had wanted. No, this is ours, your gonna have to deal with it or more to a country that 'doesn't allow for this kind of thing."

[bdeptuck]

Yes you recorded it but it does not help your cause. The school rep remains calm while the SKMP tries to incite an argument. Canada is a fantastic country that allows fringe "organizations" like the SKMP to exist. Limits to speech are more acute in schools.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"I'm confused."

That is clearly evident, and I am not surprised.

This is a debate, right here, about how Keiran's rights were stolen. The very first thing that Superintendant Velma says in part one is that there are undefined "allegations" in her weak-minded attempt to rationalize a school look down made solely to suppress Keiran's rights.

I await a meaningful response, you do not have one.

But, you go ahead and try to steer the debate and show yourself as trite.

[Calamusmalius]

HempMan: The discussion has 5 replies and growing, so much for your Nostradamus predictions. Care to join in the discussion, or are you content just flinging insults any anyone who opposes your views on this site?

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"extremist groups ... uses intimidation, manipulation, and antagonism in place of legitimate argument" "are to join in the discussion"

Still waiting for your response.

Politicians and cops are just such extremist groups. They use intimidation to attack anyone who speaks against prohibition, they use manipulation of the facts to lie about the effects of cannabis, they use antagonistic lies and personal attacks to attempt to shut down the truth about cannabis prohibition.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"one side of the debate relies on browbeating, public displays of antagonism, and manipulation of impressionable citizens through the intrigue of public disturbance."

I pointed out succinctly that these are the exact tactics that are used by politicians and cops to vilify cannabis consumers. I asked why you would attack Keiran and SKMP using these words, but not those who actually created the problems in the first place.

No cogent response from you. I guess you have none.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius, I read your statement on the SKMP forum. Having more than 500 words only helped reveal you even further as argumentative and self-centered, tending toward wordiness in the service of obfuscation.

The brevity required here serves to control your subterfuge well, while allowing you to ramble does nothing.

[Calamusmalius]

I'm not shutting anything down HempMan. I am just moving it to an actual forum where replies aren't limited to 500 words. Hopefully you can restrain yourself from acting like a spoiled 12 year old if you decide to go to the SKMP forum to continue this.

I made a thread here, change the * to a '.' and take out the spaces: saskmp*ca / forum / index .php ?topic=853.0

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius, I read your statement on the SKMP forum. Having more than 500 words only helped reveal you even further as argumentative and self-centered, tending toward wordiness in the service of obfuscation.

The brevity required here serves to control your subterfuge well, while allowing you to ramble does nothing.

[RealHempman]

BTW, Calamusmalius, you are not moving anything. I seriously doubt that anyone with any self-respect will reply to your idiocy, other than the one reply you already got.

[sharlene123charlie]

Note, this boy wrote a report on how pot is safer than alchohol. Suspended and threatened

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

This was an example of anti-education. The administration should be independantly reviewed, the policies of the school district and board should be evaluated and reviewed, and the evergreen curriculum should be evaluated and reviewed to make sure this does not happen again.

What a travesty of a shame of a farce of a pretense to educate.

[senorsqueakydesk]

I don't know enough about the topic of pot vs. alcohol to really weigh in on that, but what I don't understand is why this was a topic that the kid chose to write on. As far as I'm concerned, both substances are dangerous and so the point is moot. To me it's like debating which is worse, being strangled or hung. Who cares? I don't want to have either happen to me.

[sharlene123charlie]

I know people from this town and I live a few hours away and all of Saskatchewan Canada is really angry over this issue. However small town Sask has a hard time accepting change, I know this first hand. I hope the boy continues to research his ideas and isnt oppressed.

[Calamusmalius]

Hempman: I'm confused. Are you just trying to goad me into making an defamatory remark towards you, or do you actually think that baseless accusations towards someones personality constitutes an argument?

Nurse/Barkeep/Hooker? And you wanted to talk about credibility? Like I said, if you want to have a debate host an actual forum on your party website.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"I'm confused."

That is clearly evident, and I am not surprised.

This is a debate, right here, about how Keiran's rights were stolen. The very first thing that Superintendant Velma says in part one is that there are undefined "allegations" in her weak-minded attempt to rationalize a school look down made solely to suppress Keiran's rights.

But, you go ahead and try to steer the debate and show yourself as trite.

[disturbedcanuck]

Remember, this is the Superintendent Velda Wetherald. Susan Wilson didn't want to talk to us...not that I blame her but it should be noted that this is not the principle.

[Calamusmalius]

I think you mean Principal.

[disturbedcanuck]

Well if one must be a grammar Nazi...perhaps I can wiggle out of this by saying that what I meant was that Velda was not the principle player in all this...but of course we know that this is not what I meant and so your point is ever so well taken. My goodness what was I thinking.

I don't think realhempman is affiliated with the SKMP but anyone can be a member so who knows.

[Calamusmalius]

I was being a spelling 'Nazi' as you put so delicately. Good thing youre so discerning with your memberships, yet so eager to distance yourself from them when they make little to no sense.

Anyone going to answer the request to take this to a forum on your party website?

[disturbedcanuck]

It is incredibly apparent that you don't put any effort into looking about on the web to view our website. The web forum there is used mainly for the communication of executive council members anyway.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

feel free. our site is accessable to the public at no charge. Feel free to comment on any of the discussions there that relate to the Kieran King incident or anything else. Well reasoned discussion is valued.

our website (substitute * for .) SKMP*CA

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius (16 hours ago)

Anyone going to answer the request to take this to a forum on your party website?

You are a complete idiot. The discussion is here. Why do you want to move it? You are disingenuous.

And, what makes you think that other than SaskMarijuanaParty there are any members of thier group here?

Are you unaware that the whole world is watching? You want to shut the discussion down for just that reason. Wawota is being shown for a backwards kneejerk town.

[Calamusmalius]

Look, I came here to respond to the videos posted on this site. I have done that. If you want to continue any kind of discussions, why don't you host a public forum on your party website. I'll type back and forth with you till the cows come home. But this isn't the place. I'm sure you will want the last word, so you can have it.

[Calamusmalius]

SaskMP: You know the problem with your logic? You think that because you have the LEGAL right to do something that it is the morally right thing to do. In your video shown here you have done nothing more than use human rights laws to antagonize and bully someone in the attempt to catch them on film saying something that you can use to your advantage for your personal gains. If you actually had an agenda with any kind of content you wouldn't have to revert to such Hectorish tactics.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"In your video shown here you have done nothing more than use human rights laws to antagonize and bully someone"

The bullying began when Keiran was attacked for daring to question teaching lies and robotic repetition of mythical thinking. The videos are the end point, not the begining.

Stop trying to reframe the issue to your own satisfaction.

[Calamusmalius]

Hempman: I'm having trouble making sense of your posts. The logic of how you made the connection between what I have said here and how that is hypocritical because I am not speaking out against the police just doesn't track.

As for any other "moralistic garbage" that you think I should speak out against: Because I take someone to task for their childish behavior, when they claim to be political representatives hardly invalidates any credibility I may carry.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius (4 hours ago) Marked as spam

Hempman: I'm having trouble making sense of your posts.

You ARE hypocritical, as you made exactly the list of attributes that resulted in the attack on Keiran's rights. The same process that has resulted in prohibition law and the politics of prohibition. You are a hypocrit.

While I would have had a better set of responses for the idiot principal and the school nurse/barkeep/hooker, you use that to misdirect the actual debate.

[disturbedcanuck]

As for the comparisons to tobacco, that's an exercise in vilifying law makers, not big tobacco. It is a demonstration of the hypocritical stance we hold today in relation to drug policy.

[disturbedcanuck]

I don't know that I really have cast off any responsibility in this case. I have acknowledged repeatedly these videos and I have asserted my own opinions and accounts as to what happened and what this situation was and is still about. This was a successful act of civil disobedience and I certainly think it was not a bad thing to do. Kieran believes it was an overall success as well.

[Calamusmalius]

You can try and avert attention off of your own actions by mentioning a radio show host, or you can take responsibility for your own actions. You'd think that if you want to take the moral high ground you might hold responsibility for yourself as an important quality.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

What actions. We demonstrated outside of a school for free speech. I am sorry you were offended by a display of a basic right owed to all Canadians.

That you have a hangup about marijuana because you are ill informed is your problem. The problem that the Saskatchewan Marijuana Party has is getting rid of marijuana prohibition. I think that goes without saying.

[Calamusmalius]

In the video you so tastefully dubbed "The Frumpy Nurse" the question is raised by the camera man, "Do you want to know how many people die each year from cigarettes?" to draw the comparison between the two, vilifying cigarettes, and by insinuation, those responsible indicating tobacco companies.

[disturbedcanuck]

I don't believe the SKMP has ever vilified big tobacco. so far as I know, the SKMP has no stated policy that relates in any way to commercial tobacco at all.

A number of misnomers have been tossed about. I personally hope that David Kirton of Rawlco Radio will apologize publicly for calling me a "stoner" and insinuating that protesters present were stoned out of their gourd.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Go figure, the brickheads at rawlco thought it was way to commie. lol. what dinosaurs

[Calamusmalius]

What I DID suggest is that you took a potentially legitimate issue and turned it into a circus so that you could push your own agenda. And in doing so you completely overshadowed ANY claim that this 15 year old student MAY have had.

[Calamusmalius]

I was not questioning whether you were an officially registered party. I am questioning your professionalism, tactics, and antagonistic mentality.

You can claim the moral high ground all you want after the fact. Your video displays your attitude quite effectively during the time that you had the opportunity to deal with the issue properly.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not suggest people should not be allowed to protest, demonstrate or speak freely.

[RealHempman]

The attitude in these videos are a clear example of why actions like this are necesary. If you do not like the things you list, why are you not speaking out against the government and cops and overbearing, officious administrators who do exactly this every day? Why are you not speaking out about the lies and moralistic garbage that lead to this demonstration.

You are a hypocrit and you have no credibility.

[Calamusmalius]

This video solidifies my belief that the SKMP is in fact not a political party, and nothing more than extremist activist group, who like most extremist groups, uses intimidation, manipulation, and antagonism in place of legitimate argument, either because they are not intelligent enough to have an argument, or not savvy enough to be able to articulate it.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

The Saskatchewan Marijuana Party (SKMP) is an officially registered party with Elections Saskatchewan. This is easily verified.

The party participated in the Martensville By election this year and has plans to run candidates in the provincial election expected this year.

I suspect we will have candidates offering to run in the Wawota area.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

This video solidifies my belief

This video and the rabid response of censorship freaks like you exemplifeis exactly why actions like the one SKMP helped Keiran stage are absolutely necesary.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"extremist groups ... uses intimidation, manipulation, and antagonism in place of legitimate argument"

Politicians and cops are just such extremist groups. They use intimidation to attack anyone who speaks against prohibition, they use manipulation of the facts to lie about the effects of cannabis, they use antagonistic lies and personal attacks to attempt to shut down the truth about cannabis prohibition.

Just because YOU think YOU are articulate does not make it so.

[Calamusmalius]

A political party presses it's propaganda in the political arena. If the SKMP wants marijuana legalized, then they should take their fight to the government, not to public schools. Manipulating the opinion of youth is a tactic cemented in modern society by big tobacco, a group that the marijuana party tries to vilify in the justification of their own cause. Emulating their tactics is hypocritical.

[Calamusmalius]

The discussion of the legalization of marijuana is an issue that can be debated. But not when one side of the debate relies on browbeating, public displays of antagonism, and manipulation of impressionable citizens through the intrigue of public disturbance.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

You seem uninformed about politics.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

The discussion of the legalization of marijuana ... can be debated. But not when one side ... relies on browbeating, public displays of antagonism, and manipulation of impressionable citizens through the intrigue of public disturbance.

So, let's get the government to stop doing that, stop letting mronoic school officials to stop persecuting students like that, and then real discussion can take place.

Oh, wait, you aren't about that, you want to shut THIS discussion down.

[RealHempman]

Calamusmalius

"one side of the debate relies on browbeating, public displays of antagonism, and manipulation of impressionable citizens through the intrigue of public disturbance."

I pointed out succinctly that these are the exact tactics that are used by politicians and cops to vilify cannabis consumers. I asked why you would attack Keiran and SKMP using these words, but not those who actually created the problems in the first place.

No cogent response from you. I guess you have none.

[Calamusmalius]

What started as a dispute between a student and his school can be brought into question as to the validity of the schools response. Young Mr.King may have been in a legitimate position to question the reaction of his principal, and he may not have. But that issue will not be dealt with now, because of the intervention of an antagonistic lobby group who has taken a potentially legitimate contention and turned it into a complete circus of idiocy and manipulation for the purposes of propaganda.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Members of the SKMP debated getting involved in this issue for the very reasons you suggest. We did not want to appear in that light, however, we decided to risk it because the cause was just.

Across the country we have recieved support for our actions in defending basic Canadian values. It is appauling that you would even suggest that there are some people who should and should not be allowed to protest, demonstrate or speak freely.

[Calamusmalius]

This video demonstrates the deplorable, antagonistic, hectoring tactics of an extremist activist group masquerading as a political party.

It is unbelievable how a group contending to be a political party can act in such an unprofessional, juvenile method, and use a 15 year old student in order to push a propaganda agenda.

[dushboctor]

They got no problem accepting kids on other psyco acting drugs that stop them from eating- promote suicide and cause schoool shootings and whats wrong with talking about some weed anyways. Alchohol kills - folks wake up. Truth rules!

[disturbedcanuck]

Good question. Why don't you go ahead and ask em? We are all about freedom of speech. Legalization isn't about cannabis consumers getting high. It's about things like safety, regulation, taxes and such fundamental rights being taken away by those who have been gripped by reefer madness. It's rough when people get scared by a word over a loudspeaker.

[sheepgirl1]

Fuck Off. ha. go on google. or ask a doctor. no true u didnt actually show the kids marijuana but you did numerously address the word and that there is nothin wrong with it over the loud speaker alot of times. y couldnt some normal group promote free speech instead of you lot

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Ohhh .... we spoke the dreaded word MARIJUANA Cannabis hemp ganga hash reefer maui wowwie pot weed grass ...

[sheepgirl1]

ya, sask druggie party. go suck you own balls. if you have any but with you lack of guts and truth you probably dont

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

I think it takes courage to protest in a town that is represented by people who think and write like you. You realy need to curb the swearing, children may read these messages.

[sheepgirl1]

haha, children may watch these videos. i dont think you should care what little kids think of swearing cause there is swearing on this f***ing video.

[disturbedcanuck]

I couldn't hear any swearing in this portion of the video.

[sheepgirl1]

lol no idea who calamusmalius is but way to go whoever you are!!!

[RealHempman]

sheepgirl1

"lol no idea who calamusmalius is but way to go whoever you are!!!"

Good demonstration of literacy, intellect and articulation. You represent prohibitionist thinking very well.

[sheepgirl1]

thanks. "lol" common sense means laugh out loud. and i dont really care to argue with you.. your have your opinion and im stayin with my opinion.. i just find it funny so lol... kiss my ass

[RealHempman]

sheepgirl1

"lol" common sense means laugh out loud. and i dont really care to argue with you.. your have your opinion and im stayin with my opinion.. i just find it funny so lol... kiss my ass

What a wonderful demonstration of a lack of comprehension, and superstitious thinking in place of rational thought. Just like all prohibitionists.

[sheepgirl1]

can you not read... "KISS MY ASS"

STOP talkin to me cause i dont care. your stupidity is funny GOODBYE

[RealHempman]

Hey, Sheep Girl (sheep - when used to refer to humans means someone who blindly follows the pack)

Since you do not understand proper English ... Bahhh! Bahhhh!

If it reallly is goodbye, and you do not want to talk to me, then why bother?

Wait, I get it, you want everything to be about YOU!

The discussion here is how Superintendant Velma tries to use lies any officious bullying to justify locking down the school to steal Keiran's right to demand to be taught the truth.

[RealHempman]

I did Google marijuana death and did not find a single death attributable to marijuana.

I am part of a group offering one million dollars to ANYONE anywhere in the world who can provide absolute proof that one single person has ever died solely from using marijuana. Google THAT! Then see if YOU can provide incontrovertable proof and collect the million dollars.

sheepgirl1 (I still think she misses the irony of her chosen pseudonym) you sound like the inbred frumpy nurse.

[disturbedcanuck]

I wouldn't mind knowing where one could dig up the low death rate stat.

Who took marijuana to a small town? There were some hemp seed cookies bought by the NDP member. That's not marijuana. Other than that...I had a bottle of pop in my car I think. That's kind of harmful but I didn't present it to the school children.

[sheepgirl1]

inernet. it has sources. marijuana death rate is there. yes it is low but it is still there. so to say that not a single death can be linked to marijuana use is again another pile of bullcrap. and to promote free speech why would you need to take marijuana to a small town?

[RealHempman]

Again, I am part of a group offering one milion dollars to the first person to provide incontrovertable proof that anyone has died solely from using marijuana.

[disturbedcanuck]

Who was promoting marijuana to kids? The fact that the SKMP was the only political party that sent executive members to defend freedom of speech is fairly deplorable actually but it's hardly a promotion of marijuana.

By the way, marijuana does not have deadly side effects. not a single death can be linked to marijuana consumption.

[sheepgirl1]

this is a pile of bull crap. you should NOT be promoting marijuana to kids. it is a hazardous drug with deadly side effects. (cameraman, you have an irritating voice and if you are going to interview someone you should let people hear their side instead of cutting her off when the SMP man asked her questions. overall pile of bullcrap which will bring bad publicity to the SMP and the Wawota community

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

That I have an irritating voice is one of the things I learned the last time I made a video. I can't apologize for that; it is how God made me.

That I constantly interupt, yeah ... I'll give you that. I am going to improve my camera technique and just plain be more quite when filming future projects.

Thanks for the input.

[SaskMarijuanaParty]

Your right. I learned something about myself watching the video. I am going to improve for next time ... are you?