I don't know about the vaccine Q as I don't know enough about vaccines (tho I do wonder why Americans seem to have a flu shot every year!)
What I do know is that he's right about it paying for Doctors to send you on tests which are not needed.
I live in the UK and from my experience I wouldn't advise the US on following our system. I go to the Docs now and I don't have a personal Doc, I get lumped with whoever is free and it's like going to a drive-in. You feel like you're imposing on them.
He may be a little to sure of himself in some of his points, but we need more people like Bill Maher out there, asking the real questions and exposing corruption among his peers. Power corrupts people and I knew if I was corrupted by power, I'd want Bill Maher to slap me in the face with some debate.
@parasitesarefunny Ad hominem attack and unfounded presumptions, great job.
Anyways; global warming is caused by carbon dioxide clustering and thickening in the atmosphere, this is not complicated. Are you against the notion that climate can change?
Macro evolution just mean micro evolution on a larger scale, micro happens over 1000s of years, macro over millions.
9/11 truth isn't really relevant, it could be true or it could be false; you're getting fucked by capitalism either way.
@parasitesarefunny Where to, and how did 6 million people disappear? Was the european censuses all collectively lying, hundreds of years before the 3rd Reich?
Another irrelevant conspiracy theory. Did they the US government have a selfish, petty motivation for reaching the moon first: Yes?
Did they actually gain anything from it: No?
They've been in space several times, where these lies too?
PS. It isn't wind keeping the flag up, it's the lack of gravity...
@gregwillie41 because Bill had a slow moment, dosnt every human have their slow moment, or was it just you that put him on that pedestal of always having to be the smartest one on the show!?!? im just sayin.
I dont know why there are so few people aware of this, he's adressing a serious issue in most western societies, there where many lawsuits againts pharmaceutical companies which resulted in them paying enourmous fines, often settled out of court, not to draw to much attention to it, BIG business guys, far from entertainment. You can find information like this in seconds on the internet. Bill's not taken too serious here, having the label of a comedian doesnt help in scientific disscussions.. ;-)
Bill, Bill, Bill....you sound just like a climate gate conspiracy theorist or a young earth creationist with your let's have a debate about it. If you were true to your word you should study immunology and discuss it in a rational matter instead of creating paranoia in the masses with rhetoric. No matter what your nutrition is, the infections that vaccines stave off can harm or kill you. Good nutrition leads to good health but viruses don't' just pick on fat people
Bill Maher is right, more research on vaccines needs to be done
Search- "MMR package Insert" - 12 pages to be reviewed by everyone getting MMR. 5 pages of adverse events, warnings, contraindications & precautions
Merck's own research linked MMR to dozens of brain injuries, arthritis, ocular palsies, deafness, diabetes. Merck says it is not proved MMR caused the injuries, yet they warn us?
The research to ensure MMR is safe hasn't been done. It hasn't been done for ANY vaccine!
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Dr Bernadine Healy in a 2008 CBS News interview said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy is a former NIH director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic Chair of The Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant
Search for- nellco autism -Study showing 83 kids compensated for brain injury caused by vaccine also were diagnosed with autism
Psychiatric errors didn't cause autism's rise, environmental triggers did
@Nauck - I am not anti-vax. I want vaccines safe for all kids, not just most. Your comments are inflammatory & irrelevant
Vaccines are known to injure kids & adults
Search for Vaccine Injury Table or MMR package insert 100s of adverse events linked to or known to be caused by vax, including DOZENS of types of brain injuries, many of which can lead to symptoms of autism
Google- nellco autism - 83 of 1000 kids who were awarded money for vax-caused brain injuries also were diagnosed with autism
Cool stuff guy... dont get your kids most vaccines when herd immunity runs out its not like MMR viruses cause sterilization, mental retardation, and death. Even if your "studies" were correct and they are not 21 studies have been done to show a lack of a connection to autism and vaccines (any moron knows that you should have to see what the majority of the studies say when dealing with science), BUT EVEN IF they were correct it well worth it. So dont vac your kids thin the herd.
I get that you are an idiot just fine. Don't get your vac dont get your kids i dont want you to... i am on your side. Cull yourself please........ It is so much more profitable to cure diseases then to treat them PFFT that is why there is this massive secrete. DOZENS REALLY out of the millions that have received the vac? MY DEAR LORD!!!! Not a 0.00001% chance, scary! Could you please move to Hippie town after to get away from the herd immunity your kids now enjoy?
You misquote, insult & say my kids should die- no reasoning or evidence
A package insert, published by Merck, shows MMR is linked to dozens of TYPES of brain/immune injuries, not "dozens of injuries"
Families have filed over 15,000 applications for compensation to sue the govt under our "no-fault" vaccine injury program. 2/3rds have been denied. Only 5,000 of 100s of thousands of autistics have filed
Over $1 billion has been paid so far, vaccine makers haven't paid a dime
@michael0156 Even if vaccines caused an increased rate of Autism people like you seem to forget that Vaccines reduce childhood mortality rates and adult mortality rates. I think parents would rather have Autistic children than dead children.
Maher is right about vaccines, they need improvement
Since 1988 vax makers can't be sued for damage vaccines are proved to cause as long as they warned you of the injury in their package insert (1986 NCVIA)
@michael0156 Vaccines do not cause autism. The increase in cases of autism is due to an increase in diagnoses. As for the rest of your information, I have no clue whether that is accurate, but please don't say that vaccines cause autism because that is very incorrect.
"the science is not settled"" ahhhhh bill you sound like rick perry on global warming lol but i do kinda agree, eat healthy and exercise and you wont need medicine
The bigger picture is that western medicine doesn't allow a debate in the first place, it doesn't matter who you agree with, do you agree with that? then LET THERE BE A DEBATE.. asshole
with regard to medical mistakes. i do know that GP's and hospital doctors treat the most common causes of said symptoms before100% knowing the cause before jumping to the more obscure causes. you cant do a fully medical diagnostic on everyone who walks into a GP surgery with a runny nose. 8 years studying to intentionally fuck things up. . seriously??. tracy the bar girl makes mistake she pours another pint. Dr jon makes a mistake someone dies.. .remember that.. .respect to medical doctors
Whether people want to admit it or not, pharm companies in this country are fucking evil in todays times. All they are doing is making us as people extremely weak physically and mentally. If you do not believe it just try and look outside of your safe "social bubble" once in a while. These companies do not give a fuck about you and i; nor will they ever will. Painkillers lead this charge along with anti-depressants. Everyone needs to wake up and see what really is happening. We have to stop this
@AnarchyN777 When you say "social bubble" are you referring to reality? Because nothing you or Bill said makes any sense if given more than a cursory analysis. Drug companies are out to make a profit, and they have sometimes been unethical in that pursuit, but to make the leap from that to some sort of giant conspiracy to keep people sick is ludicrous. "Wake up and see what really is happening"? That has nothing to do with modern medicine and everything to do with your own ego.
Guy on the far left shoots bill down cause he's scared of the higher ups. Say anything like this in the mainstream and your career will be shot down. The media, government, big pharma.. they work in tandem to keep you dumbed down and docile.. and accept anything to spoon feed you.. be it toxic drugs, reality tv, mindless pop music. The mainstream is not your friend.
everything we need if we are wealthy from the start is good nutrition and exercise, not to take drugs and more all the medicine we need is in plants many we dont even know, this is a fact, all synthetic medicine we create not only dosent cure 100% anything they create more problems, western medicine fails, and more then 40% get new problems
@ukusapillage yes in the "good ole' days" you died from diarrhea, fever, and a million other infections for which we have pills and vaccines now and the only way to "strengthen your immunity" was to have 10 kids and hope one would make it to reproduce! Evolution never intended for us to have an advantage over microorganisms otherwise we would have T cells and B cells already lined up to fight them upon birth but that's not the case....ever heard of the "Spanish flu" of 1918?
So Bill Maher got a lot of vaccines when he was a child and he had severe allergies. Of course, were has to be a strong correlation, nearly as strong as the correlation between the number of pirates in the world and global warming.
This was hilarious lol. I speak only on personal experience. I've never had any vaccines other than what i had to get to go to school. I can't recall having a cold, allergies, stomach bug, etc. in a long time. I see ppl drinking sodas, breaded, salty, fried foods & constantly sick. I contribute it to the fact what they put in their bodies is hurting. They have to take pills to push it out, which cause probs. Not feeding your body the right stuff makes it sick. Bill is right on that point.
Look how many kids we have doped up on Zoloft, Prozac, Ritalin, Risperdal, Zyprexa, etc because they misbehave or some other shit which is supposed to be normal for kids. Look at all the made up diseases like depression. Being sad is a disease now? Hell if you don't feel sad at one point or another in your life, you're probably not fucking human. Of course the pharmaceutical companies are trying to push drugs on us. Of course it's corrupt. It's common sense people!
@lordscully I totally agree. I love Maher and agree with 90% of what he says except this medical stuff. He's unfortunately bought into the conspiracy theory that the sole cause of disease is "bad food" or chemicals. This is so wrong and flies in the face of thousands of years of medical knowledge. Cancer was discovered in ancient Egypt. Are we to believe that it was caused by them lazing around eating processed foods and pumping chemicals into the atmosphere? Get real.
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Gardasil maker hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist in Austin' the drug company, Merck, that manufactured the vaccine hired Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff, as one of the firm's top lobbyists in Austin.Merck donated $16,000 to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.Merck paid Mike Toomey, Perry's frmr chief of staff $260,000 and $535,000 in fees between 2005 and 2010, according to state lobbying records~
@BillKiernan your a fuckhead did you know there are real statistics that prove that you are safer smoking a pack of ciggerettes a day for your whole life than taking most prescribed medicine.
@utube2344 no, please point me to infowars or natural news or whatever crackpot site you get your information from to "prove" this. actually, skip that step and just go fuck yourself instead.
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i t hought this bill maher guy was a lot worse than he acutally is. im sure some of what he says is bs but he has a lot of good points on health surprisingly
I love this guy, but he should put some real people up there. Having Alec was his first mistake cuz most actors r pampered. Most Politicians and FDA members and any other high official in the government are all pampered. Get some real people up there cuz they understand what the majority of the populous is going thru better than ppl who just watch thru high rise glass windows.
im not a germ theory denialist, the problem i have is with the psychiatric feild, they do some good work, but i dont like them, they just want to give out pills, and they will say you have to just get used to it. theyre full of shit in many cases, and they dont know everything they wish they knew
My uncle has a nickname 4 his doctor! He calls him asshole. one time he got sickn tired of how the doctor kept questioning da issue rathr then doing somthing bout it and he said: U kno what! I'm gonna go 2 the great physician! Doc: Whose the great physician? Uncl: U don't kno who the great physician is!?! Then y da hell r u here 4!?! He's the guy who should'v put u in hell a long time ago!
He's still a germ theory denialist. He even gave the most modern explanation of germ theory denial. That a healthy body, fed the proper nutrition, can fight off any disease. This complete and total bull. He's misusing his celebrity.
He wants to talk about debate in medicine. No, they don't close off debate. They will not however debate with a lay person like Bill Mahr. There are mountains of evidence for the germ theory of disease that he's uneducated about and he wants to debate? No, he's lay.
@luccaskunk well i eat really healthy and i never get sick. before i ate this healthy i used to get sick more often. im not saying that germs dont exsist, i had never heard of germ theory denial until coming to this video. im just pointing out that i don't get sick as much as i used to.
@informationwarfare Well sure, taking care of yourself is going to make you more healthy and you'll get sick less. But Germ Theory denialists will claim that that's proof that germs don't cause sickness. To make an analogy it's like "I wore a bullet proof vest and survived being shot. Guns and bullets don't cause gun, not wearing bullet proof vests do. Oh, I'm not saying that the bullet proof vest stops the bullet, the bullet wound and bullet itself is caused by the lack of a vest, not the gun."
@cloudstone123 No, I'm saying that a body that does eat healthy can still get sick. There's a huge difference, and you should be ashamed of yourself for deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
@luccaskunk I wouldn't know. Since I changed my diet last year to consume more fruit and veggies and no fast food or soda, I haven't gotten sick and my energy levels have gone up. I never bothered with flu vaccinations since I can't see how a general, non-specific flu vaccine can work considering how well it mutates. Specific vaccinations like hep a & b, polio, etc, sure.
@cloudstone123 first of all, there are no non-specific flu vaccines. However they can help raise your resistance toward related strains. Just because a virus mutates doesn't mean it gets a free pass when you have an immunity to related strains.
As for you not getting sick *slow clap* Beware the statistics of small numbers, anecdotal evidence, and Greeks baring gifts. I've eaten extremely bad diets and gone without being sick for years. Then I switch to a healthy diet and suddenly catch the flu.
@luccaskunk Go about blaming your catching the flu or not on a diet change. That's how superstitions and bad advice get started.
Eating a healthy diet can HELP defend against certain types of communicable disease. It is however not an iron clad defense. It will not help you with things like parasites (eat a healthy diet? tape worm says Om nom nom."). It will not help against HIV which actually invades and hijacks your immune system. It won't help against Hepatitus, Polio, or Herpes family.
@luccaskunk Speaking of the Herpes family of viruses. Did you know that Chicken Pox is technically in the Herpes family? Eating a healthy diet's not going to help you avoid Chicken Pox. Avoiding people WITH Chicken Pox or having a childhood immunity to it will however, regardless of your diet.
By no means am I encouraging you to consume an unhealthy diet. Healthy diets are healthy, afterall. I'm just saying that a healthy diet does not make you immune to any disease, just resistant to some.
@luccaskunk I am also not discounting the benefits of vaccinations either. I myself am getting my hep A and B vaccinations prior to going to the Philippines because I read up on it, read up on the virus and decided this was the best way to lower the risk of catching the virus.
But I also belong to the school of thought that using too many drugs like this could, note I stress could, even create an even worse virus at some point.
@luccaskunk Yet it was those statistical small numbers that threw everyone into a panic over H1N1.
I am not saying vaccination is bad. What I am saying is that I am not completely against people not wanting to take it especially since the scientific studies themselves, such as the the 2008 February one by Dr Kay of the CDC, showed it was 75% effective in preventing hospital visits. And a 2006 study before that stated that it could not separate the possible high baseline health of the subjects
@cloudstone123 That's an of topic tangent there. We're discussing whether disease is caused by an unhealthy diet as opposed to germs, not whether or not vaccines have any kind of utility.
@luccaskunk in response to "a 2006 study before that stated that it could not separate the possible high baseline health of the subjects"
Ok, but I'm pretty sure the complete and total eradication of small pox from the planet had to do with vaccines, not healthy living. Especially since all they did to irradicate it was vaccinate *everyone* that was even *remotely* at risk. The governments that could afford it even sent vaccination missions to countries that couldn't. No diets were changed.
@luccaskunk I'm sorry, but i don't think you understand that foods are either acidic or alkaline and bad nutrition will lead your body to be a bit more acidic or alkaline. When your body is fucked up just a bit, colds and what not will hit you much harder. (I haven't needed to take medicine for shit, even when my school is dying cuz they got the sniffles while YES I still get sick, but its so mild for me that i can just ignore it without much trouble)
@kukolt I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Bill Maher spouts pseudoscientific nonsense that comes from a group of people that believe that germs do not cause communicable disease, they are caused by disease. Poor nutrition and hygiene causes disease by itself. They say that bacteria and viruses are little more than mutated human cells thrown off by the disease. This is complete, total, and demonstrable horse shit.
@luccaskunk What's more, they say that the communicable diseases aren't communicable. That rather it only appears to be communicable because who live together tend to share similar hygiene habits and eat the same food.
Now, I'm pretty sure you don't make the claim that disease causes germs rather than the other way around, DO YOU? Because that's what I'm railing against.
What's more, can your nutrition make you immune to HIV? Hepatitis? Herpes? Ebola? Bubonic Plague? E. coli contamination? No.
@kukolt For a couple rational takes on the subject, "Germ Theory Denial" by Steven Novella. "Germ theory denialism: A major strain in “alt-med” thought" by David Gorski.
Then for an example of some of the conspiracy nuts who believe this garbage, look up "Mad Cow Disease - What the Government Isn't Telling You!" from Mercola.
The Alkaline Diet nonsense was started by Antoine Bechamp, a critic of Pasteur's who believed that diseases cause germs rather than the other way around. Look him up.
@luccaskunk There is no alkaline diet (i hope) cuz if there is it's bad. Also wtf dude Bill never said any of this shit. He just said good diet helps get through the disease as apposed to taking "nyquil".
@kukolt In this particular video, yes. However this video does not exist in a vacuum. He's talked about this stuff in far more detail where he iterates the conspiracy theory garbage and the pseudo science, stopping just short of one detail. He never once says that "germs don't cause disease". He still mentions just about everything else. For an analogy, it's like giving all the reasons typically given to say that the moon landings were a hoax and just not actually saying they were a hoax.
@kukolt Or another way of putting it is if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck, feels like a duck, smells like a duck, but never actually says "quack" does that mean it's not a duck?
@luccaskunk In other words he never said any of the shit you're accusing him of. Basically you're an english teacher who sees more symbolism in a book than there actually is. It's a show, you can quote shit because its recorded and if you can't back the shit your saying up then please keep you retarded claims to yourself.
@kukolt No, he said everything except one thing. Weren't you listening? The people who say that germs are caused by disease rather than cause disease, they talk about all this garbage with alkaline diets, raw food, and just about every single thing Bill Maher says regarding disease. There is only one thing he doesn't say and he only doesn't say it because he knows he'll take flack for it. I already gave you the name of an article talking about his germ denialism, but you didn't read it.
@kukolt There's also something lacking from what Bill Maher has said. He has never ONCE said that germs cause disease. Instead, he has listed a huge number of things he believes causes disease, and never once is germs EVER listed on that list.
You're so convinced that BIll Maher isn't what he is that you're willing to grab onto any tenuous little thread because you have a vested interest in liking him. I don't. I did like him, then I found out about his germ denialism and now I don't.
@kukolt And again, it's not just this one video. It's not just this one episode of this show. This does not exist in a vacuum. Maher has said many things on the subject and he only stops short of explicitly stating that "germs don't cause disease". He'll say that modern medical science is wrong, list what he considers to be two dozen causes of disease, and not list germs among that.
Don't waste my time just because YOU can't read between the lines.
@luccaskunk His problem is not modern medicine... Its the system (the business), and shitty pointless meds. Please pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass. Thank you and good bye.
watch it and eat humble pie, that video there is Bill Maher saying that western medicine is a scam, specifically he attacks "western medicine, non-alternative medicine" Note, "non-alternative". You know what that means right?
@luccaskunk From what i know people in US are stuffing down Antibiotics for just about everything. While they are very effective (i only used it 1 time in my so far 19 years), my mother is a pharmacist and she's been giving homeopathic meds which work fine. Also doesn't the fact that he acknowledges that vaccines do work means he understands that viruses and bacteria cause disease(which is really enough for me). Seems like he believes that proper diet simply helps. Other than that I tip my hat.
@kukolt Homeopathic meds do not work fine. The only time you ever see a reputable doctor suggest them is because they're basically directing you to take a placebo because they think you're full of shit about what ails you. In absolutely NO scientific tests have homeopathic remedies been shown to have ANY effect OTHER than that which is INDISTINGUISHABLE from placebo.
I agree about the antibiotics, they're abused. But the solution is NOT to engage in bullshit fake medicine.
@luccaskunk Well here's a fun fact for you then. Even tho homeopathic meds are bullshit YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country in which EVERYONE has fucking allergies, while my shitty little country which is using this placebo has none. Subtracting the allergies I am still easily healthier then 90% of this fucking country using this bullshit meds.
@kukolt First you say that they work fine, then you admit they're bullshit, and you expect me to take your petty insults seriously? I seemed to have missed the part where the country in which in any way reflects upon me personally. There are morons in every country. I'm sure you have experience which demonstrates that, personally. I take solace in the fact that I don't have to be an imbecile, even if I'm surrounded by them.
@kukolt "YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country" then "while my shitty little country which is using this placebo" So are you or aren't you in America? You contradicted yourself in one sentence.
You know what I'm allergic to? Bullshit. Outside of that, I have no allergies. So obviously not everyone in my country has allergies. Hmm. Could it be that you're full of bullshit? *sneezes* Yup, appears so. Pardon me while I go take a homeopathic remedy which will do absolutely nothing.
@luccaskunk ""YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country" then "while my shitty little country which is using this placebo" So are you or aren't you in America? You contradicted yourself in one sentence." It means i grew up there dipshit. Also stick your nose out of US and travel a little and start looking up bullshit things that make no sense but work (like Chi), also it seems like you don't believe herbs can be used as medicine.
Only a true Sheep would trust the FDA. He's right about the CDC thing I went on there website and found a link between the 1914 illuminati genocide agenda yellow fever.
When did Bill Maher wake up...lol I remember him screaming at a 911 was an inside job troll. I bet Bill Maher knows 911 was an inside job and the Medical Industry is a CONSPIRACY, no Theory. Rockfeller Genocide Type Shit!
Conservative: “I really hate having my hard-earned money taken from me to pay taxes that go to the poor and unemployed. I could have used that money to buy a brand new car!” Liberal: “Typical greedy-Conservative! No Compassion! Sorry, you’re going to have to forego this year’s brand new car to do something good for once, like help the needy.” Unemployed Assembly Worker: “I wish people would just start buying new cars so I could get of these welfare checks and get my old job back!"
This is something that NEEDS to be debated and talked about, it is healthy to question things and seek more information. Maher is not saying that his word is the last but that we need to become more aware overall about this issue. With the experiences I've had, I'm apt to agree with most of what he has said here because I know that, in my case, it is the truth.
it is HIS show, and i'm sure he created it to be able to voice his opinion in a biased forum. however, bill maher strikes issues and raises questions that no one else does, and all things SHOULD be questioned... keep questioning it until you can't find anything wrong with it then make your claim.
the science is not settled?! lolwut.... maher is arguing like the retarded bible crowd, im just asking questions...
vaccines do carry a risk, but its a minuscule one at worst. Just because people are spoiled by not seeing their fucking kids or spouses die from a little fever or a touch influenza nowadays, they latch on to the ominous risk of bad "western" medicine as witnessed by a sad case of one in ten million.
Bill Maher "I'm not a NUT for asking to have a debate on vaccines:..Interesting Bill 911 truthers just want a debate on the facts of the 911 terror attacks, so why are you such a pussy to burry the 911 debate on your show Bill?
i agree with him completely. no evil can come out of reconsidering where we are, and the procedures we take to fight something as powerful as disease. Critical thinking is never wrong.
This is one area where the scientific community often bothers me. Although they advertise critical thinking as a fundamental part of their philosophy, they are often opposed to it when it's in referendum to their own theories.
Maybe quality can be focused on more solidly after the volume or quantity of medical care professionals has been increased to the level to which people in this country have demanded it.
Let's remember that at one point in time, there was only, "alternative medicine". If it did not work, these techniques wouldn't have been practiced over the time periods they have. Relatively speaking, modern medicine is a "baby" compared to these alternative ways of healing. You don't need flu shots every year and thats fact.
@LetLightReign There has been success in alternative medicine and utter faliure. Just look at asprin and leeches. Huge advancements have been made with the application of the scientific method that dwarf the millenia that preced it. Did medical science has been left behind?. No. Life expectancy has doubled. We have treated or cured previously unpreventable and incurable diseases. When you question these things your last statement which is worth discussing looses credibility.
No, I agree, without science we wouldn't have made the advances we have, but in regards to flu shots, they're bogus. The only reason why the Black Plague got spread over that large of an area was because of european cleaning practices, they poisoned their drinking and washing water. I believe absolutely in medicine, but now even "accepted" medicine is starting to realize the benefits alternative/mental medicine, and we should not deny those practices.
@brokenseeker explain why the people who live the longest are living in places that have no access to pharmacies or vaccines or doctors or hospitals, and they are cut off from mainstream society. People who live in Blue Zones live over a 100 yrs on average because of their eating habits and stress free life styles. Life expectancy hasn't doubled either, over a 100 yrs ago if u lived past the birth process you'd live just as long back then as people do now.
@tfrenn Yes, A healthy lifestyle makes a huge difference on your health but it won't cure small pox or turburculosis. But life expectancy is average lifespan which includes those that die at young ages. Centurion studies do not include those people. People in Blue Zonesstill still die from childhood diseases, infections, even cancer. It's just that healthy people there live very long. Remote locations with small populations are exposed to fewer diseases and have more specialized resistances.
@lovergurl Are you trolling me? I already mentioned that many medicines have come from nature, I specificaly mentioned asprin. But there are cures for non-preventable disesaeses than can only come from high degrees of processing or synthesis. Such as insulin for genetic diabetes and anti-biotics for many bacterial infections. You don't know this and you call americans dumb? If your going to call me out on something make sure it's true.
@brokenseeker O.o r u serious? so what ur saying is your a bullshitter that likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth in order to prove a point that cant possibly be made in a clear statement...>.>" you bore me your not holding up to the debate.
@lovergurl Calling somone a bullshiter is how you win? Why argue when you can distil the truth. You can't boil a complex issue into two sides, especialy not something as complex as medical science. Eating healthy will not cure all ailments, neither will medicine. Health requires many things, and certain deseases are going to happen despite good health and are cured by specific things that come from either nature or sythesis. But science is the best method for determining what works best.
I love Bill Maher. I used to think he was a quack... and then I started doing my research. Funnily enough, seven of my family members have advanced science degrees and are medical doctors... they all agree for the most part his stances on having the OPTION of alternative medicines and that healthy living and prevention are methods much more beneficial to staying healthy than doses of drugs and chemicals in our systems.
Better to be healthy and prevent disease than be healthy and get vaccines.
We put toxins in our bodies all the time because we are led to believe they are necessary to prevent disease Yet when it comes to people who don't have the money to fill that prescription or get that shot They're told to Leave...Get out...We're sorry, we can't help you. SO, IS IT A REAL NECESSITY OR NOT...To prevent the spread of disease?
Alec Baldwin doesn't live amongst the trash like I do. Here in Central Ohio people do run to the doctors! It is their life to go to the doctor so they can get out of working and/or get drugged up. These people don't see the side Bill Maher is showing who has a facts in his hand! This country is fucked up....
Why? He's not being 'anti-science'. He is saying that there seem to be alot of things that dont really add up and he thinks that they should be acknowledged.
The fact that you even suggest that Bill Maher posseses an 'anti-science mentallity' suggests that you are not very familiar with his stance. He says time and time agin that science is good, where did you get this idea?
@Pha7Pa7 It is one thing to be scepticle of some of the chemicals in medicine/shots but it is another to say that one can't get sick if they are healthy. He is basically saying that as long as people eat well and exercise they CAN'T get sick. Many healthy people have genetic conditons or catch disease through contact of sick people or animals. But to Bill Maher if you eat unprocessed non-western food you can't get sick...
My mother has been a nurse for nearly thirty years and is also a research manager. She has ensured that none of me or my sibling have been imunised, you are all so quick to criticise his stance just because it seems rediculous. Trust me I have never been really sick and all I do is eat healthy and take antibiotics when needed. Wake up, pharmaceuticals is a massive industry, they have plenty of reasons to lie. What reason does Bill have to lie?
@Pha7Pa7 He has no reason to lie. He doesnt know he's lying. He's stupid enough to think he's right on this one. He believes not only vaccines are harmful, but also antibiotics! He's just gotten this crap into his head somehow and now he'll do anything to push this dangerous idea on the public. In the debate with Frist he goes on to quote a paper from the 1950s about vaccines! Amazing! And what was that "not fucking my interns" thing!?
@Mattysmyth0593 i totally agree; first he asks if anyone has a response and then, within seconds he starts a barrage of interruptions and re-direction. ive lost respect for his style. he still has points but hes become a jerk in how he approaches his audience and guests. hes best at this point left to wither away unless he re thinks about being an asshole.
western medicine is a closed off debate? haha good one maher, does he understand how difficult it is to get any medicine passed and in general circulation, it gets debated and put through the rigors of the scientific method. If by closed off you mean its debated by people in the industry who are qualified to do so, who have studied it in depth and not by an idiot and some celebrities on a talk show, then yes it is closed off.
@xavtron That no longer applies when it comes to Big Pharma. In order to get drugs approved, they pay scientists to skew the results of their findings in what they believe is deemed "safe". Any natural and simple cure will not be funded for studies unless it can be patented.
@guydudeasian do you have any evidence to support your outrageous claim. You know the only confirmed case of a scientist being payed off to skew results in recent memory was when they were trying to link autism to vaccines. It was published but the findings were not widely accepted because, hey they weren't repeatable outside the original experiment and then they were found out, a perfect example of how the scientific process works to stop bribery.
@xavtron You seem to misunderstand what I'm saying. If you do some research and read some books you can find online, you can see there are plenty of lies the FDA and big pharma have convinced you to believe. Examples include cholesterol causing heart disease; that study that first proposed that hypothesis has been discredited because it was done on a fox (carnivore) and a rabbit (herbivore). It's really inflammation. I recommend "The Hundred Year Lie". You don't have to take my word for it.
@guydudeasian wow you address non of the points I made then tell me to look up a book that will tell me more of the idiotic conspiracy theories you tried to get me to accept that are no more valid, I can't believe you actually think that high cholesterol does not cause heart disease, it is actually you who neefs to go out and read some physiology textbooks and get a basic grounding in the actual science behind it before you come here with this bullshit.
@guydudeasian you didn't state why it being a fox and a rabbit discredit it, what in their method of conducting the experiment was bad and you again list "big pharma" as the bogey man buzzword as if that means anything. Also even if one particular experiment was poor the fact that high cholesterol is a significant contributer to heart disease has been shown over and over again in various experiments. Thats what gets science widely accepted, not pointing to one single piece of evidence.
@xavtron Dude, I said not to take my word for it. The reason why that study has been discredited is becuz a foxes and rabbits have different dietary habits than humans, which is why they were bad text subjects. I said to do your own research and look up the other side of the issue. Now, knowing that I will probably not sway you, I'll just leave it at that.
@guydudeasian look as I've already stated that even if this one study you found that you haven't linked to or shown actually exists is faulty there are many other studies that all confirm the fact that cholesterol is a serious contributing factor to heart disease That is what confirms science, duplication of results. That leads to it becoming widely accepted. Science needs a mountain of evidence which in this case it has it doesn't rely on finding one bit of poor evidence and clinging to it
@guydudeasian also even though they have different dietary habits animals in an experiment are under controlled conditions and if cholesterol levels are what is being tested for then comparable amounts would be administered to those animals taking into account systemic differences. No animal testing is perfect but it is still very reliable. I'm speaking in generalities as to the nature of scientific experimentation as you actually haven't specified which study this is
@guydudeasian also you show an ignorance of how the system actually works. Whenever a new medicine is created the rights to it are automatically the property of the creator for 10 years which is why you don't see chemist's own brands of medicines that are recent discovery. Basically you don't have evidence to support your boogie man big pharma bribery claims, don't have knowledge of how the system works and have bought into bogus conspiracy theories for no good reason.
@xavtron That's why the FDA is always recalling drugs after bunches of people die because of consequences that were not fully understood or researched. Give me a break.
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I don't know about the vaccine Q as I don't know enough about vaccines (tho I do wonder why Americans seem to have a flu shot every year!)
What I do know is that he's right about it paying for Doctors to send you on tests which are not needed.
I live in the UK and from my experience I wouldn't advise the US on following our system. I go to the Docs now and I don't have a personal Doc, I get lumped with whoever is free and it's like going to a drive-in. You feel like you're imposing on them.
RPFS2008 6 days ago
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@RPFS2008
"and it's like going to a drive-in"
*Drive-Thru, rather
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RPFS2008 6 days ago
He may be a little to sure of himself in some of his points, but we need more people like Bill Maher out there, asking the real questions and exposing corruption among his peers. Power corrupts people and I knew if I was corrupted by power, I'd want Bill Maher to slap me in the face with some debate.
Ryanventura 1 week ago
@itsanameisntit holy crap I have never thought about that
SincereDoubt 1 week ago
Who has all the government contracts to make weapons for biological warfare?
itsanameisntit 1 week ago
Maher sometimes makes sense about some things, but he's gone a little woo woo here
chillcrazyman 2 weeks ago
Humans are a bunch of brainwashed monkeys:
Some believe the Vaccine Lie
Others believe the Global Warming Lie
Others believe the Macro Evolution Lie
Other believe the 9/11 Lie
Others believe the Holocaust Lie
Others believe the Moon Walk Lie
parasitesarefunny 3 weeks ago
@parasitesarefunny That is ridiculous.
LiBlub1 3 weeks ago
@LiBlub1
No, you are just to stupid to research both sides of an issue before you repeat the lies you suck down without thought or investigation.
parasitesarefunny 3 weeks ago
@parasitesarefunny Ad hominem attack and unfounded presumptions, great job.
Anyways; global warming is caused by carbon dioxide clustering and thickening in the atmosphere, this is not complicated. Are you against the notion that climate can change?
Macro evolution just mean micro evolution on a larger scale, micro happens over 1000s of years, macro over millions.
9/11 truth isn't really relevant, it could be true or it could be false; you're getting fucked by capitalism either way.
LiBlub1 3 weeks ago
@parasitesarefunny Where to, and how did 6 million people disappear? Was the european censuses all collectively lying, hundreds of years before the 3rd Reich?
Another irrelevant conspiracy theory. Did they the US government have a selfish, petty motivation for reaching the moon first: Yes?
Did they actually gain anything from it: No?
They've been in space several times, where these lies too?
PS. It isn't wind keeping the flag up, it's the lack of gravity...
LiBlub1 3 weeks ago
Used to think Bill was smart. Then I saw this.
gregwillie41 3 weeks ago
@gregwillie41 because Bill had a slow moment, dosnt every human have their slow moment, or was it just you that put him on that pedestal of always having to be the smartest one on the show!?!? im just sayin.
nenedent 2 weeks ago
I dont know why there are so few people aware of this, he's adressing a serious issue in most western societies, there where many lawsuits againts pharmaceutical companies which resulted in them paying enourmous fines, often settled out of court, not to draw to much attention to it, BIG business guys, far from entertainment. You can find information like this in seconds on the internet. Bill's not taken too serious here, having the label of a comedian doesnt help in scientific disscussions.. ;-)
SuperPr3d 4 weeks ago
I still like Bill :)
YourSkyliner 4 weeks ago
Bill, Bill, Bill....you sound just like a climate gate conspiracy theorist or a young earth creationist with your let's have a debate about it. If you were true to your word you should study immunology and discuss it in a rational matter instead of creating paranoia in the masses with rhetoric. No matter what your nutrition is, the infections that vaccines stave off can harm or kill you. Good nutrition leads to good health but viruses don't' just pick on fat people
Xwowplaya 4 weeks ago
Bill Maher is right, more research on vaccines needs to be done
Search- "MMR package Insert" - 12 pages to be reviewed by everyone getting MMR. 5 pages of adverse events, warnings, contraindications & precautions
Merck's own research linked MMR to dozens of brain injuries, arthritis, ocular palsies, deafness, diabetes. Merck says it is not proved MMR caused the injuries, yet they warn us?
The research to ensure MMR is safe hasn't been done. It hasn't been done for ANY vaccine!
Why not?
michael0156 4 weeks ago
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michael0156 4 weeks ago
in Cuba doctors get paid wile their patients are healthy, from the moment the person gets sick they stop getting money.
is a complete different angle, the profit is on health not sickness...
maximilianitoaguirre 1 month ago
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ITS NOT ABOUT WHO'S IN POWER REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE POWER THEIR JUST PUPPETS IT'S THE CORPORATIONS THAT CONTROL IT STARTING WITH THE BANKERS, OIL CORPORATIONS, SPECIAL INTEREST, WAR PROFITERS, PHARMACEUTICAL CORPORATIONS, FAST FOOD INDUSTRY, AMERICA HAS TURN INTO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY WITH CORRUPTION IN PLAN VIEW ...BUT IT HAS ALSO TURN INTO A FASCIST COUNTRY ...WITH THE ILLUSION OF A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. PEOPLE BETTER START WAKING UP!
kapsulamusik 1 month ago
Dr Bernadine Healy in a 2008 CBS News interview said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy is a former NIH director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic Chair of The Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant
Search for- nellco autism -Study showing 83 kids compensated for brain injury caused by vaccine also were diagnosed with autism
Psychiatric errors didn't cause autism's rise, environmental triggers did
michael0156 1 month ago 8
@michael0156
Don't let your kids have any vaccines... please.... I don't want your genes spreading.
CharlesNauck 1 week ago
@Nauck - I am not anti-vax. I want vaccines safe for all kids, not just most. Your comments are inflammatory & irrelevant
Vaccines are known to injure kids & adults
Search for Vaccine Injury Table or MMR package insert 100s of adverse events linked to or known to be caused by vax, including DOZENS of types of brain injuries, many of which can lead to symptoms of autism
Google- nellco autism - 83 of 1000 kids who were awarded money for vax-caused brain injuries also were diagnosed with autism
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156
Cool stuff guy... dont get your kids most vaccines when herd immunity runs out its not like MMR viruses cause sterilization, mental retardation, and death. Even if your "studies" were correct and they are not 21 studies have been done to show a lack of a connection to autism and vaccines (any moron knows that you should have to see what the majority of the studies say when dealing with science), BUT EVEN IF they were correct it well worth it. So dont vac your kids thin the herd.
CharlesNauck 1 week ago
@Nanuck
Of course you didn't read what I posted
The MMR package insert is from Merck, the maker of the MMR
MERCK says MMR is linked to dozens of neurological & immune system injuries
MERCK says the MMR is linked to diabetes... get it? MERCK
Vaccines are given around the time autism is diagnosed. That is a coincidence needing clinical study of kids. to ensure vaccines are safe
The 21 studies you refer to are epidemiology (study of records), fraudulently claiming the concidence doesn't exist
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156
I get that you are an idiot just fine. Don't get your vac dont get your kids i dont want you to... i am on your side. Cull yourself please........ It is so much more profitable to cure diseases then to treat them PFFT that is why there is this massive secrete. DOZENS REALLY out of the millions that have received the vac? MY DEAR LORD!!!! Not a 0.00001% chance, scary! Could you please move to Hippie town after to get away from the herd immunity your kids now enjoy?
CharlesNauck 1 week ago
@Nanuck
You misquote, insult & say my kids should die- no reasoning or evidence
A package insert, published by Merck, shows MMR is linked to dozens of TYPES of brain/immune injuries, not "dozens of injuries"
Families have filed over 15,000 applications for compensation to sue the govt under our "no-fault" vaccine injury program. 2/3rds have been denied. Only 5,000 of 100s of thousands of autistics have filed
Over $1 billion has been paid so far, vaccine makers haven't paid a dime
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156 Even if vaccines caused an increased rate of Autism people like you seem to forget that Vaccines reduce childhood mortality rates and adult mortality rates. I think parents would rather have Autistic children than dead children.
Slipknot808 1 day ago
Maher is right about vaccines, they need improvement
Since 1988 vax makers can't be sued for damage vaccines are proved to cause as long as they warned you of the injury in their package insert (1986 NCVIA)
Search for- MMR package insert - 5 pages of precautions, warnings & injuries (incl diabetes & arthritis)
Search for- "Vaccine Injury Table" - FDA/HRSA list of known injuries vax cause in a small % of kids & adults
Since 1988 vax have tripled & autism rose from 3-4 / 10,000 to 100 / 10,000
michael0156 1 month ago 4
@michael0156 Vaccines do not cause autism. The increase in cases of autism is due to an increase in diagnoses. As for the rest of your information, I have no clue whether that is accurate, but please don't say that vaccines cause autism because that is very incorrect.
ManDudeYeah 1 month ago
guess this is the kinda thing that centralizes an extreme leftist
Drag4401 1 month ago
"the science is not settled"" ahhhhh bill you sound like rick perry on global warming lol but i do kinda agree, eat healthy and exercise and you wont need medicine
coopmuch56 1 month ago
if everyone was healthy all doctors would be out of a job...
elbuano13 1 month ago
The bigger picture is that western medicine doesn't allow a debate in the first place, it doesn't matter who you agree with, do you agree with that? then LET THERE BE A DEBATE.. asshole
appman1138 1 month ago
he sounds like a fox news host...
zimondlord1 1 month ago
Wow. I love Bill Maher but this is fucking crazy.
lovesXtoXspoog 1 month ago
Owned by Baldwin
DRnab1983 1 month ago
But I like Nyquil.
dstluke 2 months ago
with regard to medical mistakes. i do know that GP's and hospital doctors treat the most common causes of said symptoms before100% knowing the cause before jumping to the more obscure causes. you cant do a fully medical diagnostic on everyone who walks into a GP surgery with a runny nose. 8 years studying to intentionally fuck things up. . seriously??. tracy the bar girl makes mistake she pours another pint. Dr jon makes a mistake someone dies.. .remember that.. .respect to medical doctors
braunblender 2 months ago
im no medical wizz kid, far from it. i am sure however that the chemicals that in those vaccines are in there for a reason.
braunblender 2 months ago
That panel looks like the 3 stooges
m1kenas 2 months ago
Whether people want to admit it or not, pharm companies in this country are fucking evil in todays times. All they are doing is making us as people extremely weak physically and mentally. If you do not believe it just try and look outside of your safe "social bubble" once in a while. These companies do not give a fuck about you and i; nor will they ever will. Painkillers lead this charge along with anti-depressants. Everyone needs to wake up and see what really is happening. We have to stop this
AnarchyN777 2 months ago
@AnarchyN777 When you say "social bubble" are you referring to reality? Because nothing you or Bill said makes any sense if given more than a cursory analysis. Drug companies are out to make a profit, and they have sometimes been unethical in that pursuit, but to make the leap from that to some sort of giant conspiracy to keep people sick is ludicrous. "Wake up and see what really is happening"? That has nothing to do with modern medicine and everything to do with your own ego.
icemachine79 2 months ago
Bill has very little knowledge of the medical industry and vaccines.
OhmgrownCron 2 months ago
Guy on the far left shoots bill down cause he's scared of the higher ups. Say anything like this in the mainstream and your career will be shot down. The media, government, big pharma.. they work in tandem to keep you dumbed down and docile.. and accept anything to spoon feed you.. be it toxic drugs, reality tv, mindless pop music. The mainstream is not your friend.
gringolazlo 3 months ago
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you are crazy if you get a vaccine...
choquera 3 months ago
Bill you're great but stop this anti-vaccine pseudo-intellectual debate.....w/o vaccines our population today won't be 7 billion!
luv4knowledge 3 months ago
everything we need if we are wealthy from the start is good nutrition and exercise, not to take drugs and more all the medicine we need is in plants many we dont even know, this is a fact, all synthetic medicine we create not only dosent cure 100% anything they create more problems, western medicine fails, and more then 40% get new problems
ukusapillage 3 months ago
@ukusapillage yes in the "good ole' days" you died from diarrhea, fever, and a million other infections for which we have pills and vaccines now and the only way to "strengthen your immunity" was to have 10 kids and hope one would make it to reproduce! Evolution never intended for us to have an advantage over microorganisms otherwise we would have T cells and B cells already lined up to fight them upon birth but that's not the case....ever heard of the "Spanish flu" of 1918?
luv4knowledge 3 months ago
Truth sets you free
America has been hijacked
spystyle 4 months ago 9
@spystyle really? is whoever hijacked America going to fly it into any buildings?
luccaskunk 3 months ago
So Bill Maher got a lot of vaccines when he was a child and he had severe allergies. Of course, were has to be a strong correlation, nearly as strong as the correlation between the number of pirates in the world and global warming.
Ekergaard 4 months ago
This was hilarious lol. I speak only on personal experience. I've never had any vaccines other than what i had to get to go to school. I can't recall having a cold, allergies, stomach bug, etc. in a long time. I see ppl drinking sodas, breaded, salty, fried foods & constantly sick. I contribute it to the fact what they put in their bodies is hurting. They have to take pills to push it out, which cause probs. Not feeding your body the right stuff makes it sick. Bill is right on that point.
happyguync 4 months ago
Look how many kids we have doped up on Zoloft, Prozac, Ritalin, Risperdal, Zyprexa, etc because they misbehave or some other shit which is supposed to be normal for kids. Look at all the made up diseases like depression. Being sad is a disease now? Hell if you don't feel sad at one point or another in your life, you're probably not fucking human. Of course the pharmaceutical companies are trying to push drugs on us. Of course it's corrupt. It's common sense people!
SoloWing808 4 months ago
i'm a big fan of bill's but i have to disagree with him on this. i think he's a little paranoid.
lordscully 4 months ago 6
@lordscully I totally agree. I love Maher and agree with 90% of what he says except this medical stuff. He's unfortunately bought into the conspiracy theory that the sole cause of disease is "bad food" or chemicals. This is so wrong and flies in the face of thousands of years of medical knowledge. Cancer was discovered in ancient Egypt. Are we to believe that it was caused by them lazing around eating processed foods and pumping chemicals into the atmosphere? Get real.
Vondur 1 month ago
@lordscully Swine flue was a fraud, I never took that vaccine. Medical companies earn billions on it. That vaccine hurt many children.
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promiseIsaih60 4 months ago
fuck, i had a lot of respect for bill maher, he just lost a lot of it from me.
BillKiernan 5 months ago
@BillKiernan your a fuckhead did you know there are real statistics that prove that you are safer smoking a pack of ciggerettes a day for your whole life than taking most prescribed medicine.
utube2344 5 months ago
@utube2344 no, please point me to infowars or natural news or whatever crackpot site you get your information from to "prove" this. actually, skip that step and just go fuck yourself instead.
BillKiernan 5 months ago
@utube2344 oh, and it's "you're." illiterate passive aggressive guy.
BillKiernan 5 months ago
Go Bill!
Beatnuk 5 months ago
bill's absolutely right.
pomelloknight 5 months ago
Bill, nobody's saying you're crazy for wanting to look into it.
They say you're crazy because you come out against it as if you already know it to be wrong, and you still haven't looked.
And when you invite people on your show to get them to show it to you, you close your eyes and say we should look.
rkyeun 5 months ago
@rkyeun the fact he gets butthurt and lashes out like a middle school kid says a lot too. i lost a lot of respect for him here.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
alec baldwin should go Glengarry on his ass....
akoolman1 6 months ago
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Anyone who claims formaldehyde in a vaccines is bad, really shows their ignorance on the topic.
theUSER101 6 months ago
i t hought this bill maher guy was a lot worse than he acutally is. im sure some of what he says is bs but he has a lot of good points on health surprisingly
informationwarfare 6 months ago
I like O'Malley ,
EdugeBDroN 6 months ago
I love this guy, but he should put some real people up there. Having Alec was his first mistake cuz most actors r pampered. Most Politicians and FDA members and any other high official in the government are all pampered. Get some real people up there cuz they understand what the majority of the populous is going thru better than ppl who just watch thru high rise glass windows.
TestamentCaine 6 months ago
im not a germ theory denialist, the problem i have is with the psychiatric feild, they do some good work, but i dont like them, they just want to give out pills, and they will say you have to just get used to it. theyre full of shit in many cases, and they dont know everything they wish they knew
oneadamtwelve86 7 months ago
H1N1 was a great lie and a great business .....
maximilianitoaguirre 7 months ago
The FDA is BS, they are owned by pharma companes the privet sector runs this country now in every way. Politicians are the privet companies poppets.
pet2229 7 months ago
The only thing Bill Maher said here that was completely full of shit was the bit about GW/CC being something that is "settled science"... far from it.
Science is a process, not a destination, its never "settled".
toulouse666 7 months ago
My uncle has a nickname 4 his doctor! He calls him asshole. one time he got sickn tired of how the doctor kept questioning da issue rathr then doing somthing bout it and he said: U kno what! I'm gonna go 2 the great physician! Doc: Whose the great physician? Uncl: U don't kno who the great physician is!?! Then y da hell r u here 4!?! He's the guy who should'v put u in hell a long time ago!
theStyleWithin 7 months ago
He's still a germ theory denialist. He even gave the most modern explanation of germ theory denial. That a healthy body, fed the proper nutrition, can fight off any disease. This complete and total bull. He's misusing his celebrity.
He wants to talk about debate in medicine. No, they don't close off debate. They will not however debate with a lay person like Bill Mahr. There are mountains of evidence for the germ theory of disease that he's uneducated about and he wants to debate? No, he's lay.
luccaskunk 8 months ago 3
@luccaskunk well i eat really healthy and i never get sick. before i ate this healthy i used to get sick more often. im not saying that germs dont exsist, i had never heard of germ theory denial until coming to this video. im just pointing out that i don't get sick as much as i used to.
informationwarfare 6 months ago
@informationwarfare Well sure, taking care of yourself is going to make you more healthy and you'll get sick less. But Germ Theory denialists will claim that that's proof that germs don't cause sickness. To make an analogy it's like "I wore a bullet proof vest and survived being shot. Guns and bullets don't cause gun, not wearing bullet proof vests do. Oh, I'm not saying that the bullet proof vest stops the bullet, the bullet wound and bullet itself is caused by the lack of a vest, not the gun."
luccaskunk 6 months ago
@informationwarfare I butchered part of the analogy by saying two things at once, my apologies.
"Guns and bullets don't cause wounds." not that they "don't cause gun".
luccaskunk 6 months ago
@luccaskunk So you are saying that a body that doesn't eat healthy won't ever get sick?
cloudstone123 3 months ago
@cloudstone123 No, I'm saying that a body that does eat healthy can still get sick. There's a huge difference, and you should be ashamed of yourself for deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk I wouldn't know. Since I changed my diet last year to consume more fruit and veggies and no fast food or soda, I haven't gotten sick and my energy levels have gone up. I never bothered with flu vaccinations since I can't see how a general, non-specific flu vaccine can work considering how well it mutates. Specific vaccinations like hep a & b, polio, etc, sure.
cloudstone123 3 months ago
@cloudstone123 first of all, there are no non-specific flu vaccines. However they can help raise your resistance toward related strains. Just because a virus mutates doesn't mean it gets a free pass when you have an immunity to related strains.
As for you not getting sick *slow clap* Beware the statistics of small numbers, anecdotal evidence, and Greeks baring gifts. I've eaten extremely bad diets and gone without being sick for years. Then I switch to a healthy diet and suddenly catch the flu.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk Go about blaming your catching the flu or not on a diet change. That's how superstitions and bad advice get started.
Eating a healthy diet can HELP defend against certain types of communicable disease. It is however not an iron clad defense. It will not help you with things like parasites (eat a healthy diet? tape worm says Om nom nom."). It will not help against HIV which actually invades and hijacks your immune system. It won't help against Hepatitus, Polio, or Herpes family.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk Speaking of the Herpes family of viruses. Did you know that Chicken Pox is technically in the Herpes family? Eating a healthy diet's not going to help you avoid Chicken Pox. Avoiding people WITH Chicken Pox or having a childhood immunity to it will however, regardless of your diet.
By no means am I encouraging you to consume an unhealthy diet. Healthy diets are healthy, afterall. I'm just saying that a healthy diet does not make you immune to any disease, just resistant to some.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk I am also not discounting the benefits of vaccinations either. I myself am getting my hep A and B vaccinations prior to going to the Philippines because I read up on it, read up on the virus and decided this was the best way to lower the risk of catching the virus.
But I also belong to the school of thought that using too many drugs like this could, note I stress could, even create an even worse virus at some point.
cloudstone123 3 months ago
@luccaskunk Yet it was those statistical small numbers that threw everyone into a panic over H1N1.
I am not saying vaccination is bad. What I am saying is that I am not completely against people not wanting to take it especially since the scientific studies themselves, such as the the 2008 February one by Dr Kay of the CDC, showed it was 75% effective in preventing hospital visits. And a 2006 study before that stated that it could not separate the possible high baseline health of the subjects
cloudstone123 3 months ago
@cloudstone123 That's an of topic tangent there. We're discussing whether disease is caused by an unhealthy diet as opposed to germs, not whether or not vaccines have any kind of utility.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk in response to "a 2006 study before that stated that it could not separate the possible high baseline health of the subjects"
Ok, but I'm pretty sure the complete and total eradication of small pox from the planet had to do with vaccines, not healthy living. Especially since all they did to irradicate it was vaccinate *everyone* that was even *remotely* at risk. The governments that could afford it even sent vaccination missions to countries that couldn't. No diets were changed.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk eradication* I'm tired and sleepy as heck, so let me have a typo especially since I spelled it right the first time.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk I'm sorry, but i don't think you understand that foods are either acidic or alkaline and bad nutrition will lead your body to be a bit more acidic or alkaline. When your body is fucked up just a bit, colds and what not will hit you much harder. (I haven't needed to take medicine for shit, even when my school is dying cuz they got the sniffles while YES I still get sick, but its so mild for me that i can just ignore it without much trouble)
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Bill Maher spouts pseudoscientific nonsense that comes from a group of people that believe that germs do not cause communicable disease, they are caused by disease. Poor nutrition and hygiene causes disease by itself. They say that bacteria and viruses are little more than mutated human cells thrown off by the disease. This is complete, total, and demonstrable horse shit.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk What's more, they say that the communicable diseases aren't communicable. That rather it only appears to be communicable because who live together tend to share similar hygiene habits and eat the same food.
Now, I'm pretty sure you don't make the claim that disease causes germs rather than the other way around, DO YOU? Because that's what I'm railing against.
What's more, can your nutrition make you immune to HIV? Hepatitis? Herpes? Ebola? Bubonic Plague? E. coli contamination? No.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk Where are you getting this info from? This is the first time I'we ever heard that. If you can throw me your source than I'm really sorry.
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt For a couple rational takes on the subject, "Germ Theory Denial" by Steven Novella. "Germ theory denialism: A major strain in “alt-med” thought" by David Gorski.
Then for an example of some of the conspiracy nuts who believe this garbage, look up "Mad Cow Disease - What the Government Isn't Telling You!" from Mercola.
The Alkaline Diet nonsense was started by Antoine Bechamp, a critic of Pasteur's who believed that diseases cause germs rather than the other way around. Look him up.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk There is no alkaline diet (i hope) cuz if there is it's bad. Also wtf dude Bill never said any of this shit. He just said good diet helps get through the disease as apposed to taking "nyquil".
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt In this particular video, yes. However this video does not exist in a vacuum. He's talked about this stuff in far more detail where he iterates the conspiracy theory garbage and the pseudo science, stopping just short of one detail. He never once says that "germs don't cause disease". He still mentions just about everything else. For an analogy, it's like giving all the reasons typically given to say that the moon landings were a hoax and just not actually saying they were a hoax.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@kukolt Or another way of putting it is if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck, feels like a duck, smells like a duck, but never actually says "quack" does that mean it's not a duck?
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk In other words he never said any of the shit you're accusing him of. Basically you're an english teacher who sees more symbolism in a book than there actually is. It's a show, you can quote shit because its recorded and if you can't back the shit your saying up then please keep you retarded claims to yourself.
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt No, he said everything except one thing. Weren't you listening? The people who say that germs are caused by disease rather than cause disease, they talk about all this garbage with alkaline diets, raw food, and just about every single thing Bill Maher says regarding disease. There is only one thing he doesn't say and he only doesn't say it because he knows he'll take flack for it. I already gave you the name of an article talking about his germ denialism, but you didn't read it.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@kukolt There's also something lacking from what Bill Maher has said. He has never ONCE said that germs cause disease. Instead, he has listed a huge number of things he believes causes disease, and never once is germs EVER listed on that list.
You're so convinced that BIll Maher isn't what he is that you're willing to grab onto any tenuous little thread because you have a vested interest in liking him. I don't. I did like him, then I found out about his germ denialism and now I don't.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@kukolt And again, it's not just this one video. It's not just this one episode of this show. This does not exist in a vacuum. Maher has said many things on the subject and he only stops short of explicitly stating that "germs don't cause disease". He'll say that modern medical science is wrong, list what he considers to be two dozen causes of disease, and not list germs among that.
Don't waste my time just because YOU can't read between the lines.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk His problem is not modern medicine... Its the system (the business), and shitty pointless meds. Please pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass. Thank you and good bye.
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt nope.avi
watch?v=jsmOrIotebs
watch it and eat humble pie, that video there is Bill Maher saying that western medicine is a scam, specifically he attacks "western medicine, non-alternative medicine" Note, "non-alternative". You know what that means right?
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk From what i know people in US are stuffing down Antibiotics for just about everything. While they are very effective (i only used it 1 time in my so far 19 years), my mother is a pharmacist and she's been giving homeopathic meds which work fine. Also doesn't the fact that he acknowledges that vaccines do work means he understands that viruses and bacteria cause disease(which is really enough for me). Seems like he believes that proper diet simply helps. Other than that I tip my hat.
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt Homeopathic meds do not work fine. The only time you ever see a reputable doctor suggest them is because they're basically directing you to take a placebo because they think you're full of shit about what ails you. In absolutely NO scientific tests have homeopathic remedies been shown to have ANY effect OTHER than that which is INDISTINGUISHABLE from placebo.
I agree about the antibiotics, they're abused. But the solution is NOT to engage in bullshit fake medicine.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@luccaskunk Well here's a fun fact for you then. Even tho homeopathic meds are bullshit YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country in which EVERYONE has fucking allergies, while my shitty little country which is using this placebo has none. Subtracting the allergies I am still easily healthier then 90% of this fucking country using this bullshit meds.
kukolt 3 months ago
@kukolt First you say that they work fine, then you admit they're bullshit, and you expect me to take your petty insults seriously? I seemed to have missed the part where the country in which in any way reflects upon me personally. There are morons in every country. I'm sure you have experience which demonstrates that, personally. I take solace in the fact that I don't have to be an imbecile, even if I'm surrounded by them.
luccaskunk 3 months ago
@kukolt "YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country" then "while my shitty little country which is using this placebo" So are you or aren't you in America? You contradicted yourself in one sentence.
You know what I'm allergic to? Bullshit. Outside of that, I have no allergies. So obviously not everyone in my country has allergies. Hmm. Could it be that you're full of bullshit? *sneezes* Yup, appears so. Pardon me while I go take a homeopathic remedy which will do absolutely nothing.
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@luccaskunk ""YOU(so am I now) are the one who lives in a country" then "while my shitty little country which is using this placebo" So are you or aren't you in America? You contradicted yourself in one sentence." It means i grew up there dipshit. Also stick your nose out of US and travel a little and start looking up bullshit things that make no sense but work (like Chi), also it seems like you don't believe herbs can be used as medicine.
kukolt 3 months ago
@luccaskunk ~Grabs her microscope and points the denialists to look into the tube~ xD
LichQueenKathie 2 months ago
and the H1N1 Influenza Type A Strain Swine Flu.
PainlessTragedy23 8 months ago
Only a true Sheep would trust the FDA. He's right about the CDC thing I went on there website and found a link between the 1914 illuminati genocide agenda yellow fever.
PainlessTragedy23 8 months ago
at 6:00 his Illuminati Guests don't agree with him and try to intimidate him. Which Backfires especially on Alec Baldwin.
PainlessTragedy23 8 months ago
@PainlessTragedy23 What the actual f*ck are you talking about
bennihana123 8 months ago
When did Bill Maher wake up...lol I remember him screaming at a 911 was an inside job troll. I bet Bill Maher knows 911 was an inside job and the Medical Industry is a CONSPIRACY, no Theory. Rockfeller Genocide Type Shit!
PainlessTragedy23 8 months ago
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mdstalla 8 months ago
This is something that NEEDS to be debated and talked about, it is healthy to question things and seek more information. Maher is not saying that his word is the last but that we need to become more aware overall about this issue. With the experiences I've had, I'm apt to agree with most of what he has said here because I know that, in my case, it is the truth.
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AmericanCritiquer 9 months ago
it is HIS show, and i'm sure he created it to be able to voice his opinion in a biased forum. however, bill maher strikes issues and raises questions that no one else does, and all things SHOULD be questioned... keep questioning it until you can't find anything wrong with it then make your claim.
JesusWasADerelict 9 months ago
the science is not settled?! lolwut.... maher is arguing like the retarded bible crowd, im just asking questions...
vaccines do carry a risk, but its a minuscule one at worst. Just because people are spoiled by not seeing their fucking kids or spouses die from a little fever or a touch influenza nowadays, they latch on to the ominous risk of bad "western" medicine as witnessed by a sad case of one in ten million.
BraunDang 9 months ago
Bill Maher "I'm not a NUT for asking to have a debate on vaccines:..Interesting Bill 911 truthers just want a debate on the facts of the 911 terror attacks, so why are you such a pussy to burry the 911 debate on your show Bill?
mookixox 10 months ago
I agree
adammarxist 10 months ago
at the end he said "your too inside the matrix not me" nice...real intelligent,articulate, Bill Maher pretty awesome guy!.
BobbyEnergy 10 months ago
i agree with him completely. no evil can come out of reconsidering where we are, and the procedures we take to fight something as powerful as disease. Critical thinking is never wrong.
This is one area where the scientific community often bothers me. Although they advertise critical thinking as a fundamental part of their philosophy, they are often opposed to it when it's in referendum to their own theories.
siamesenightmare93 10 months ago
Maybe quality can be focused on more solidly after the volume or quantity of medical care professionals has been increased to the level to which people in this country have demanded it.
Copper4head 11 months ago
Bill. Small pox? Polio? Hep A/B? Mumps? Measles? Rubella? Rabies? etc I'm not sure if getting vaccinated is always a bad thing.
ryb19100 11 months ago
@ryb19100
Yeah, Bill's got a point, but he should really listen more & let the others talk after him.
Copper4head 11 months ago
@Copper4head bill doesnt like people who talk out of both sides of their mouths or bullshit him. I dont either
lovergurl 10 months ago
How not to get sick- Eat right, exercise, sleep.
Let's remember that at one point in time, there was only, "alternative medicine". If it did not work, these techniques wouldn't have been practiced over the time periods they have. Relatively speaking, modern medicine is a "baby" compared to these alternative ways of healing. You don't need flu shots every year and thats fact.
LetLightReign 11 months ago
@LetLightReign There has been success in alternative medicine and utter faliure. Just look at asprin and leeches. Huge advancements have been made with the application of the scientific method that dwarf the millenia that preced it. Did medical science has been left behind?. No. Life expectancy has doubled. We have treated or cured previously unpreventable and incurable diseases. When you question these things your last statement which is worth discussing looses credibility.
brokenseeker 11 months ago
@brokenseeker
No, I agree, without science we wouldn't have made the advances we have, but in regards to flu shots, they're bogus. The only reason why the Black Plague got spread over that large of an area was because of european cleaning practices, they poisoned their drinking and washing water. I believe absolutely in medicine, but now even "accepted" medicine is starting to realize the benefits alternative/mental medicine, and we should not deny those practices.
LetLightReign 11 months ago
@brokenseeker explain why the people who live the longest are living in places that have no access to pharmacies or vaccines or doctors or hospitals, and they are cut off from mainstream society. People who live in Blue Zones live over a 100 yrs on average because of their eating habits and stress free life styles. Life expectancy hasn't doubled either, over a 100 yrs ago if u lived past the birth process you'd live just as long back then as people do now.
tfrenn 10 months ago
@tfrenn Yes, A healthy lifestyle makes a huge difference on your health but it won't cure small pox or turburculosis. But life expectancy is average lifespan which includes those that die at young ages. Centurion studies do not include those people. People in Blue Zonesstill still die from childhood diseases, infections, even cancer. It's just that healthy people there live very long. Remote locations with small populations are exposed to fewer diseases and have more specialized resistances.
brokenseeker 10 months ago
@brokenseeker not true at all! what do u think these drugs get their basis for medicine from??? Hello organic herbs, DUH. God Americans are dumb >.>
Most doctors will tell you, you dont need meds convert to an all organic diet!!!
lovergurl 10 months ago
@lovergurl Are you trolling me? I already mentioned that many medicines have come from nature, I specificaly mentioned asprin. But there are cures for non-preventable disesaeses than can only come from high degrees of processing or synthesis. Such as insulin for genetic diabetes and anti-biotics for many bacterial infections. You don't know this and you call americans dumb? If your going to call me out on something make sure it's true.
brokenseeker 10 months ago
@brokenseeker O.o r u serious? so what ur saying is your a bullshitter that likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth in order to prove a point that cant possibly be made in a clear statement...>.>" you bore me your not holding up to the debate.
lovergurl 9 months ago
@lovergurl Calling somone a bullshiter is how you win? Why argue when you can distil the truth. You can't boil a complex issue into two sides, especialy not something as complex as medical science. Eating healthy will not cure all ailments, neither will medicine. Health requires many things, and certain deseases are going to happen despite good health and are cured by specific things that come from either nature or sythesis. But science is the best method for determining what works best.
brokenseeker 9 months ago
I love Bill Maher. I used to think he was a quack... and then I started doing my research. Funnily enough, seven of my family members have advanced science degrees and are medical doctors... they all agree for the most part his stances on having the OPTION of alternative medicines and that healthy living and prevention are methods much more beneficial to staying healthy than doses of drugs and chemicals in our systems.
Better to be healthy and prevent disease than be healthy and get vaccines.
1208Ebby 11 months ago
We put toxins in our bodies all the time because we are led to believe they are necessary to prevent disease Yet when it comes to people who don't have the money to fill that prescription or get that shot They're told to Leave...Get out...We're sorry, we can't help you. SO, IS IT A REAL NECESSITY OR NOT...To prevent the spread of disease?
sarwrductfan 1 year ago
Alec Baldwin doesn't live amongst the trash like I do. Here in Central Ohio people do run to the doctors! It is their life to go to the doctor so they can get out of working and/or get drugged up. These people don't see the side Bill Maher is showing who has a facts in his hand! This country is fucked up....
psychokillercrab 1 year ago
I am not a fan of Matthews, but I love that he is confronting Bill on his anti-science mentality
Moionfire 1 year ago
@Moionfire
Why? He's not being 'anti-science'. He is saying that there seem to be alot of things that dont really add up and he thinks that they should be acknowledged.
The fact that you even suggest that Bill Maher posseses an 'anti-science mentallity' suggests that you are not very familiar with his stance. He says time and time agin that science is good, where did you get this idea?
Pha7Pa7 1 year ago
@Pha7Pa7 It is one thing to be scepticle of some of the chemicals in medicine/shots but it is another to say that one can't get sick if they are healthy. He is basically saying that as long as people eat well and exercise they CAN'T get sick. Many healthy people have genetic conditons or catch disease through contact of sick people or animals. But to Bill Maher if you eat unprocessed non-western food you can't get sick...
Moionfire 1 year ago
@Moionfire Sorry for the spelling errors in my last post
Moionfire 1 year ago
My mother has been a nurse for nearly thirty years and is also a research manager. She has ensured that none of me or my sibling have been imunised, you are all so quick to criticise his stance just because it seems rediculous. Trust me I have never been really sick and all I do is eat healthy and take antibiotics when needed. Wake up, pharmaceuticals is a massive industry, they have plenty of reasons to lie. What reason does Bill have to lie?
Pha7Pa7 1 year ago
@Pha7Pa7 He has no reason to lie. He doesnt know he's lying. He's stupid enough to think he's right on this one. He believes not only vaccines are harmful, but also antibiotics! He's just gotten this crap into his head somehow and now he'll do anything to push this dangerous idea on the public. In the debate with Frist he goes on to quote a paper from the 1950s about vaccines! Amazing! And what was that "not fucking my interns" thing!?
pkearne 1 year ago 3
I thought he was a very reasonable person until I heard this.
Mattysmyth0593 1 year ago
@Mattysmyth0593 Unfortenately there's no such thing as a 100% irrational person, and here Bill is really misinformed
TheKitch2 1 year ago
@Mattysmyth0593 i totally agree; first he asks if anyone has a response and then, within seconds he starts a barrage of interruptions and re-direction. ive lost respect for his style. he still has points but hes become a jerk in how he approaches his audience and guests. hes best at this point left to wither away unless he re thinks about being an asshole.
kahetel13 1 year ago
Maher is fixated on this topic. What a dumbass.
SinfulMessiah 1 year ago
I don't agree with Bill Maher's theology,but I do agree with his exposing of medical
fraud.I believe this to be what he is trying to do.When it comes to deceiving the public,the public have the right to know.
vrghiks 1 year ago
western medicine is a closed off debate? haha good one maher, does he understand how difficult it is to get any medicine passed and in general circulation, it gets debated and put through the rigors of the scientific method. If by closed off you mean its debated by people in the industry who are qualified to do so, who have studied it in depth and not by an idiot and some celebrities on a talk show, then yes it is closed off.
xavtron 1 year ago 5
@xavtron That no longer applies when it comes to Big Pharma. In order to get drugs approved, they pay scientists to skew the results of their findings in what they believe is deemed "safe". Any natural and simple cure will not be funded for studies unless it can be patented.
guydudeasian 9 months ago
@guydudeasian do you have any evidence to support your outrageous claim. You know the only confirmed case of a scientist being payed off to skew results in recent memory was when they were trying to link autism to vaccines. It was published but the findings were not widely accepted because, hey they weren't repeatable outside the original experiment and then they were found out, a perfect example of how the scientific process works to stop bribery.
xavtron 9 months ago
@xavtron You seem to misunderstand what I'm saying. If you do some research and read some books you can find online, you can see there are plenty of lies the FDA and big pharma have convinced you to believe. Examples include cholesterol causing heart disease; that study that first proposed that hypothesis has been discredited because it was done on a fox (carnivore) and a rabbit (herbivore). It's really inflammation. I recommend "The Hundred Year Lie". You don't have to take my word for it.
guydudeasian 9 months ago
@guydudeasian wow you address non of the points I made then tell me to look up a book that will tell me more of the idiotic conspiracy theories you tried to get me to accept that are no more valid, I can't believe you actually think that high cholesterol does not cause heart disease, it is actually you who neefs to go out and read some physiology textbooks and get a basic grounding in the actual science behind it before you come here with this bullshit.
xavtron 9 months ago
@guydudeasian you didn't state why it being a fox and a rabbit discredit it, what in their method of conducting the experiment was bad and you again list "big pharma" as the bogey man buzzword as if that means anything. Also even if one particular experiment was poor the fact that high cholesterol is a significant contributer to heart disease has been shown over and over again in various experiments. Thats what gets science widely accepted, not pointing to one single piece of evidence.
xavtron 9 months ago
@xavtron Dude, I said not to take my word for it. The reason why that study has been discredited is becuz a foxes and rabbits have different dietary habits than humans, which is why they were bad text subjects. I said to do your own research and look up the other side of the issue. Now, knowing that I will probably not sway you, I'll just leave it at that.
guydudeasian 9 months ago
@guydudeasian look as I've already stated that even if this one study you found that you haven't linked to or shown actually exists is faulty there are many other studies that all confirm the fact that cholesterol is a serious contributing factor to heart disease That is what confirms science, duplication of results. That leads to it becoming widely accepted. Science needs a mountain of evidence which in this case it has it doesn't rely on finding one bit of poor evidence and clinging to it
xavtron 9 months ago
@guydudeasian also even though they have different dietary habits animals in an experiment are under controlled conditions and if cholesterol levels are what is being tested for then comparable amounts would be administered to those animals taking into account systemic differences. No animal testing is perfect but it is still very reliable. I'm speaking in generalities as to the nature of scientific experimentation as you actually haven't specified which study this is
xavtron 9 months ago
@guydudeasian also you show an ignorance of how the system actually works. Whenever a new medicine is created the rights to it are automatically the property of the creator for 10 years which is why you don't see chemist's own brands of medicines that are recent discovery. Basically you don't have evidence to support your boogie man big pharma bribery claims, don't have knowledge of how the system works and have bought into bogus conspiracy theories for no good reason.
xavtron 9 months ago
@guydudeasian I would like to see if you would be so mistrusting in medicine when diagnosed and facing a terminal illness.
xavtron 9 months ago
@xavtron That's why the FDA is always recalling drugs after bunches of people die because of consequences that were not fully understood or researched. Give me a break.
BurningOrchids 9 months ago