Obi's Little White Lie

[SloganYams]

This video deserves a LOT more views.

[tf2whackyengineer]

Little known Star Wars fact: It took the Imperial Stormtroopers 2,438 shots to kill Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They were so humiliated by this failure that they burned all evidence of their poor marksmanship.

[boltyjr]

Funniest thing I've seen today. But it's still early. :-)

[Kuoted]

Wow, Stormtroopers are indeed precise compare to the Sand People

[OwAiNaNdErSon]

Mmm... more views, this video needs.

[Shatidox]

This was epic :) freaking awesome



[AvroBellow]

These same "precise" Stormtroopers got their asses handed to them by a bunch of three-foot teddy bears who used rocks and sticks...LOL

[zachgilm]

666 views.

Nice.

[fritzlimo]

mhh These blast points... too accurate for sand people.:D

[AdamWeith]

Haha! Even though I love the Original Trilogy, in retrospect the Stormtrooper's aim is so horrible that it is ridicolous, and even more ridicolous is that Obi-Wan states that they have excellent aim in the same movie. :)

Add to that, in most other SW lore the Stormtroopers are the best fighters in the galaxy. The main characters are clearly weaing plot armor in the movies.

[Perion]

Shame in that scene, and elsewhere on the DS, the troopers were missing on purpose.

[jimyjones1985]

how many times I have to prove u wrong. They where never missing. The stormtrooopers can't shoot. Look at any ohter part of the movies even the first scene they miss horriblely.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion how were they missing on purpose?

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Because they had put a tracking device on the Millennium Falcon, and were going to use it to find the rebel base they had only spent the entire movie trying to locate. Before Vader even goes down to see the falcon he mentions that the Princess "may yet be of use to us" When they get away, she mentions that the only possible way for them to have made it was that they were being tracked, and that they let them escape. Cut to Tarkin and Vader confirming the theory.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion they don't put the tracking device on till after they rescue the princess. They don't even know that they are there to rescue the princess until after they are in the garbage compactor.

Tarkin and vader both hear about the problem in the detention center and Tarkin is surprised to hear that there is a problem where the Princess is. that's when Vader says he knows it's Obi Wan and tarkin says he must not be allowed to escape.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Wrong, Vader says "They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess. She may yet be of some use to us" Before he even goes down to inspect the ship. Let alone when the scanning crew goes aboard or they check the ship. It's clear that the plan to track the falcon was already in motion while Han and co were still hiding in the smuggling compartments, even if the device wasn't yet installed.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion "They must be trying....." doesn't mean they put the plan in action at all. It just means they caught the ship that they thought was heading to Alderan.

If they thought that Obi Wan was going to rescue the princess why is Tarkin surprised when they actually try to rescue the princess?

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again you are ignoring the fact that he and Vader confirm leia's theory as to why they are being let go. It's more likely he was more incredulous at their boldness than anything else.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion I'm not saying that Vader doesn't let them go. I am saying that Vader doesn't let them go until AFTER the garbage compactor scene. So the entire battle in the detention center is when the Storm Troopers are trying to shoot them.

Like in this video the clips he uses are ones of the Stormtroopers trying to hit them because that is their job. They didn't get orders from Vader yet.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 sorry, but all evidence shows that they did, and none of the scenes you've purported are conclusively contradictory.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion .... what? Have you ever watched the Star Wars movies? or are you just shutting your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears and saying "la la la la I can't hear you la la la la "

You do realize that almost everyone in the world who has seen Star Wars has seen that they are horrible shots right? The reason this video is so funny is because it's true.

And still you ignore Tarkins surprise.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 nope sorry, you'd be surprised how many people agree that Troopers aren't anywhere near as bad shots as most people make them out to be.

I didn't ignore it, read my posts, I addressed it, he wasn't surprised, he just wanted urgent confirmation.

The troopers making the shot to the flying Ewok while not even looking, hitting both Leia and R2 while taking only a split second aim, etc. Those are impressive hits.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion watch the movies in Blu ray and get back to me kid.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Kid? sorry but I'm not here to insult, just to point out your mistakes, and the common misconceptions. I've seen the movies many, many, many times. Again Stormtroopers are nowhere near as "bad shots" as people claim. All you have to do is pay attention.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion it's clear that you have not watched the films. If you have then you would know that in every scene the Storm Troopers have horrible aim.

Hold on how does lukes shot in ANH not count? Luke isn't trying to miss? Luke aims at the Door control and hits it in 1 shot he also then takes out several storm troopers and never misses.

Tarkin is 100% suprised if you don't know how to read basic human emotions then you really shouldn't be making this arguemnt.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 I have seen the films many, many, many times, I just analysed them to a greater degree. Yes Luke doesn't count because he's not trying to miss, and just because troopers don't have perfect aim doesn't mean they have horrible aim. They often make shots that would be very difficult to do in real life, however hollywood has skewed that perspective, very rarely do people realize how often soldiers in real life miss (why do you think we use assault rifles that carry 20-30 rounds?)

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 I'm very good at reading human emotions, and Tarkin's reaction could easily be interpreted as either surprise or an urgent call for confirmation. The latter becomes obvious when you take into consideration the fact that they had planned to let them go, which is how the scene is going. We are supposed to think he's surprised, then when he and vader are talking after their escape it's clear that this was their plan all along.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion so you are honestly telling me that you believe that when the Death Star first sees the Millennium Falcon Darth Vader and Tarkin decide to let Princess Leia and the rest escape even though just mins ago Tarkin gave the order to execute princess leia?

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Remember Vader said "she may yet be of use to us".

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion holy freaking cow! That's when you think this whole plan happens??????? WOW. I misjudged just how wrong you were.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 When else would it be? that was the perfect time for them to formulate it and give the info to the Troopers.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion IF that is even what happens the time to do it was when they are in the garbage compactor.

At that point they know they have made it out of the detention center but they don't know where they are so they plant the beacon on the MF and tell the guards to let them escape.

But I just watched it again on blue ray with your idea in mind and it makes 0 sense. Tarkin still acts suprised that they are trying to rescue the princess. He then sasy Obi Wan can't be allowed to escape.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again, you interpret it as surprise, I see it as him being alert and wanting confirmation, as they only have one shot at this and, in his own words, "I'm taking an awful risk Lord Vader, this had better work,".

Indeed he says Obi-Wan can't be allowed to escape, note that allowed part, as in they had already planned on allowing them to escape, but Obi-Wan is an exception.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion You are getting your scenes mixed up. He doesn't say I'm taking an awful risk until after the ship has left the death star.

This is a copy from the 1976 4th script of a new hope

"INTERCOM VOICE: Governor Tarkin, we have an emergency alert in

detention block A A-twenty-three.

TARKIN: The princess! Put all sections on alert!"

They already gave him conformation. The ! is defined as "An exclamation mark usually shows strong feeling, such as surprise, anger or joy" ...not conformation

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again they already knew that the Princess was the target in a prior scene, so your argument is invalid. Also I'm not getting my scenes mixed up at all, I know full well he doesn't say it until after the ship has left the death star.

In the film it's clear that it's more of a question mark than an exclamation, scripts/screenplays are known to deviate during shooting. Another explanation for how the "Stormtrooper effect" is NOT the result of bad aim can be found on Cracked

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion Again Han and Luke don't know the princess is on board. Darth Vadar and Tarkin think they are retunring the death star plans to ALADARAN!!! You know the planet that Princess Leia was on her way to when she was boarded?

The Planet that the Death star was just destroyed.

I honestly don't know how you are missing these key points. It's like you saw part of the movie and are filling in the blanks with your own ideas.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Sorry but the destruction of alderaan is irrelevant, which is why I didn't bother bringing it up. you only think that because you bring up irrelevant points as if they mean something.

We know that Vader believes that she is of use, yet the files state that she is scheduled to be terminated, clearly a ruse to get Luke and co to rescue her. If any "surprise" is in Tarkin's voice, then he's surprised that Luke and co would have the gall to actually try to pull it off.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion How is it irrelevant? IT is 100% relevant if the death star didn't destroy Alderan the Millenium Falcon would have landed there and delivered the Death Star plans to the rebellion.

It's not a ruse at all Tarkin orders Leias death in the previous scene long before they MF ever gets to the death star.

YOu really need to watch the movies again you are getting everything out of order.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Sorry but you're misreading and misinterpreting everything I say, seeing contradictions where none exist. Not surprising that you have a hard time understanding what I'm telling you.

Vader had later told him that she would still be of use to them, and had the order rescinded, however, the low sec databanks still had her scheduled in case the rebels on board the falcon attempted a rescue.

Honestly do I have to explain the entire movie to you?

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again that's not relevant, they are on the death star now, and the odds of them wanting to escape with the princess are high since Vader believes they want to return the plans to HER. They were actually planning to return them to her (adopted) father, but again this isn't relevant (great now I actually have to explain these parts BEFORE you complain about them, rather than assume you'll understand and save time/character limit)

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Vader specified that he believed they were planning on returning the plans to her, not the rebellion in general, which means they will want to rescue the princess, they eventually do this regardless of whether that was their plan entering the death star or not (it wasn't part of the initial escape plan which was to simply let Obi-Wan disable the tractor beam and haul ass). Nevertheless we are talking about Vader's plan here, hence why Han, Luke and co's plan is irrelevant.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion The Death Star was a secret. It's location was a secret. The Princess being on board was a secret. Destorying Alderian was a secret.

Vader knew all of these things.

For your idea to work. Vader would have to believe that the people on the Millenium Falcon knew all of that.

Instead he knew that the MF was going to Alderan to deliever the plans to the rebels like Princess Leia was going to do.

They were going to return the plans to the Princess on ALDERAN.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again irrelevant, In order for them to escape the Death Star they would have to get to the controls to release the tractor beam, in order to do that, they would need to access the station's computers.

Sure enough the Princess's status is right there in the computer records that could be accessed easily (practically dropped right onto their laps) where it listed that she was still scheduled to be terminated in spite of Vader rescinding the order

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion Hold on no you didn't answer my question.

For Darth Vader to think they had come to rescue the princess Darth Vader would have to assume that the people on the MF knew where the Death Star was.

All Darth Vader knew was that a ship had blasted it's way out of Mos Esiely (possiblly with stolen Death star plans), The princess was on her way to Alderan.

It's more likely that he thought they were going to meet her on Alderian to give her the plans.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 *facepalm* As always that is irrelevant, I don't recall ever saying that he thought they went to the Death Star specifically to rescue her, only that they would try to once they found out she was on board, Which he knew they would need to get to the tractor beam control otherwise as han said 'it would be a real short trip" while on the computer they would discover the princess and plan a rescue. The only "surprise" in Tarkin would be that they were bold enough to take the bait.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion for the millionth time it is NOT IRRELEVANT! There is no way in hell Vader can know their intentions. Second they weren't easily accessed as we have seen through out ALL of the movies R2D2 is a master slicer they make a point of this. Also Vader NEVER rescends the order. That never happens.

Now George Lucas wrote in the Script and the Book that Tarkin is NOT asking a question. Tarkin is suprised that is 100% G-Canon you can't decide to ignore G-canon.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 I never said Vader KNEW their intentions, only that he predicted what they would do. Also as I said It's entire possible that they had Leia's status present in relatively low security, so there was no reason to assume they NEEDED R2 to access them (beyond R2 being the most efficient manner to do so). No proof exists that Vader didn't rescind the order, there are implications to say he did.

Again if Tarkin IS surprised it's only by the fact that they took the bait.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 As a result, because you cannot prove that the plan was NOT in place during the firefight shown, Obi-Wan is not necessarily lying at all.

In any case, we've been going over in circles like this for quite some time, and I've noticed you going on like a broken record bringing little if anything new or relevant. As a result I feel little inclination to continue this if all you are going to do is misunderstand and talk about trivia you think I overlooked as if it had any impact.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion I was curious about where you got this crazy idea of yours about them missing on purpose and I found it. From Stardestroyer website the author of it came up with the idea. However his point is more like mine where he states THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHEN THE ORDER TO LET THEM GO IS STATED.

Once again you decide to not read full articles

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 There is indeed no way to know for certain, which is why it is entirely possible that they had it implemented before the firefight shown here, you try to maintain that they could not have, which is not something you can prove (As the Stardestroyer site says). I will freely admit that my theories are purely speculation the only reason I, but they are in line with all available evidence including Obi-Wan's assertion of Stormtroopers being precise, It's all about Parsimony.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion Funny because your very first comments were about how you knew for certain. Now after I showed you that George Lucas, the script, and the book as well as other evidence shows that you are wrong you change your story to

"Well there is no way to know for sure"

Just like in the other comments you realized you are wrong but refuse to man up

Oh and to answer a previous question of yours Killing them would let them get the Death Star plans back which is what they wanted

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Your problem is that you have convinced yourself that you are right and choose to misinterpret everything I, Lucas, and the films/novels say as whatever you please. Ignoring Non-ambiguous evidence if they contradict your interpretation of ambiguous evidence, as well as insisting that your interpretation is correct.

On top of that you refuse to accept that I have no more interest in trying to reason with you about this, but you seem obsessed with attempting to force the issue.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion Did you read the article? If you did you would have read the real reason as aproved by Lucas at the end of the article.

Unless you are now suggesting that Storm Troopers who are supposed to be the Hammer of the Emperor the Elite if you will are now no better then average ww1 soldier who get barely any training and only 15-20% of them are willing to kill anyone.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 That wasn't the point, the point was that the vast majority of shots fired in real life, even from elite special forces, miss. Obviously stromtroopers have little to no trouble willing to kill due to their indoctrination, but the accuracy displayed by the likes of say, Han solo, are considerably LESS realistic.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Google "The Biggest Star Wars Plot Hole, Explained By Science" For more information on an interesting but unnecessary alternate explanation (the point about how in real life the majority of shots in battle miss is still valid though).

At the end of the day the conclusion remains, that Troopers are NOT bad shots, and Obi-Wan wasn't lying at all.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion You do know that Cracked is a satire site and the article Biggest Star Wars plot hole is written as SATIRE!!

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 it is a satire site, but that in no way invalidates their points, which are made honestly, but in a humorous way.

Much like say, The Daily Show.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Did you even Read the article?

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 In fact even in the script, in relation to the film, and taking Vader's previous comments into account, it sounds more like alarm then surprise. (there is a difference)

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion script, novilization both say Princess! as well as there being no inflection with Tarkin's voice when he says The Princess! leads you to believe that he says it as a question. ..... Wow so every source says you are wrong and you stick to your guns. No it is 100% suprise.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again there is a difference between surprise and alarm. Your interpretation is incorrect as you ignore the previous comment made by Vader, I do not ignore Tarkin's line, I simply interpret it in a manner which is consistent. You however prefer to ignore Vader's and prefer inconsistency.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Also I suggest you watch the films again, Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers make numerous kills throughout the films, specifically during the Tantive IV boarding scene, Battle of Geonosis and Battle of Utapau are prime examples, even the Battle of Endor shows some impressive hits in spite of the circumstances.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion yes the make numerous kills but they also miss horribly. The Battle of Endor is one of the worst displays of accuarcy by the Stormtroopers. My boyfriend and I just watched all 6 of them this weekend on blu ray and let me tell you it looks even worse in Hi def on a projection.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again you've never seen a real world firefight have you? Not surprising, very few people have. Also you have to remember the level of cover and the fact that the troopers are making split second shots from across a clearing from cover. Often getting killed if they stay out for anywhere near the length of time normally required to make a decent shot. Even so, we see troopers make impressive hits, some of the most impressive being in that very battle you claim as being the worst.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Tarkin didn't want Obi-Wan to escape, but his death wouldn't (and didn't) have any affect on The falcon's escape beyond a few extra dead troopers as Luke went into a rage. At which point the danger was rising as Han and Leia boarded the falcon leaving luke out in the open, where the Troopers could easily decide "he's not worth it, just kill him" and why Obi-Wan told luke to Run before that happens.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Long story short, what good would it have done to kill them? you obviously don't want to simply let them go in an extremely obvious manner, so you shoot at them to make it look like you want to kill them, missing on purpose and hope the adrenalin will keep them from realizing it. We see numerous times Storm and Clone troopers shooting from the hip and making direct hits at targets dozens of meters away throughout the films, something that is VERY difficult to do in real life.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion if Tarkin knew of Vaders plan from the beginning then why is Tarkin surprised that they are trying to rescue The Princess?

[Perion]

The reason my comment got downvoted while others get upvoted is because they are focusing on the superficial "Hyuk hyuk stormtroopers are missing they must be bad shots" rather than take into account the scene and Leias comment thereafter.

I blame short attention spans.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion But the stormtroopers also can't shoot straight in Return of the Jedi, Empire and the Prequels as well as the Clone Wars series. I have never seen a single Star Wars movie or show where Storm Troopers are accurate.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Hollywood often has a skewed perspective of "accuracy", just because it isn't perfect does NOT mean that it is "bad". A modern assault rifle carries 20-30 rounds, only a very small percentage, if any of these, will actually make a kill, even from an experienced soldier. They were again missing on purpose on cloud city (the falcon's hyperdrive was disabled) and we see them display rather impressive marksmanship by real world standards in RotJ while firing from the hip.

[MsPhysics22100]

@Perion we see that the heroes in the movies such as Luke, Han, and Leia are able to hit small targets with one blast consistently so we don't have a skewed perspective. We are able to see what constitutes accurate in the Star Wars universe.

Even Jango Fett is able to be extremely accurate.

You still didn't explain why Tarkin is surprised to hear that the princess is being rescued even though he knows that is the plan according to you.

[Perion]

@MsPhysics22100 Again the only times we see Luke make such accuracte shots with his blaster is during the ANH escape, where again, the troopers are missing on purpose, so that doesn't count. Han is an Ex stormtrooper and Leia the daughter of one of the leaders of the rebellion, so again not surprising.

Again it sounded more like he wanted confirmation and saying "put all sections on alert" Alert to NOT kill them, but chase them off the station.

[Millsytheshred]

the ending makes it!!

[P0mt3]

Perfect!