Socialized Medicine Reloaded

[darrellmellissa]

And it looks like the socilest fabiums have won the day.

[Sogwa]

Moderate conservative and moderate liberal are the FEW SANE ones out here.

Right wing extremists appears to follow the demons who ORGINATED the new world order (the Rothschild's, the Bildburgers, the Scottish right Masons, & other Illuminati leaders from 1500 Germany & Eastern Europe) as liberals eagerly slide in compliments of the extreme right.

[TylerNull]

Like clockwork.

Once their mythology is exposed, they merely regress further into their delirium to spew a fresh wad of the stuff.

Then again, they're so obsessed with carbon waste only because their politics never rise above the stuff.

[blazak]

I'm so tired of Conservative Elitists, defing Big Oil, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, banks, and war profiteers, while screwing over us working people.

We need universal health care, not hundreds of billions spent on bogus wars.

[TylerNull]

Instead of reciting Leftist mantras like "Big Oil", try using logic and reason. Do you prefer little oil? Do you prefer witch doctors? Universal Happiness provided to you by your government functionary is a fraudulent hoax, regardless of what marketing term is propping it up.

Do snap out of your Leftist induced dementia.

[blazak]

Like Sweden and Norway, I prefer "National Oil," and like those developed nations, I prefer universal health care, not a system motiviated by the profit of insurance companies. You must really hate working AMericans.

[TylerNull]

Those are two dead civilizations. Their residual indigenous populations are disappearing. They're being replaced by the Muslim breeders that your socialist bureaucrats are aggressively importing to prop up their socialist programs.

Even the communists of China and Russia have wisened up to the fact that Marxism is a civilization exterminator. Progress.

[blazak]

Wow, you really are ignorant! Too bad morons like you are aloowed to vote. Sweden and Norway dead civilizations? OMG! Sad.

[TylerNull]

From the YouTube video titled "Welcome to Sweden":

School Principal: "We have 1,000 students".

Reporter: "How many are Swedish?"

School Principal: "One."

*****

Denial is a disease.

[Sogwa]

This is an old video but TylerNullL is a typical right wing extremists whose allegiance is to big companies (big oil, banks, drug dealing giants, etc.) And of course his kind HATEs all things different. Minorities, illegals (aka Latinos), the poor, etc. Basically the oil and engine that drives and runs the country he loves so much.

Why would Null want socialized health care to help those he hates?!?! Ask him when was the LAST TIME he reached out and even considered

[Sogwa]

helping or understanding someone who is different from him on earth? Most likely, anyone who is poor, illegal, blacks, or liberals is an enemy of his. Unfortunately on earth, there is hardly no place for his kind to hide to avoid diversity. Maybe the pit of the Grand Canyon or something.

Nonetheless, why would some apparent evil person like this EVER WANT to help someone different especially if....

[Sogwa]

they dont agree with them in religion, sex, race, income values, politics. And thus are deemed undesirable and thus worthy of death via lack of medical treatment.

The ironic thing is that most fake-me-out Christians are conservatives but it seems that ONLY the Catholics and Salivation Army step up to ever help those in need!!!

Why is that!?!?!

[TylerNull]

"

Bleeding Heart Tightwads

... households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals.

A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

"

-- nytimes . com, By Nicholas Kristoff, 20 Dec 08

Then again, debunking Liberal mythology might have required effort only if Democrats had either brains or education.

[MuffinChief]

i find this subject amuzing.

chillin in my crib (norway) and paying my taxes with pleasure, which is totally worth it. if the Americans dont want a democratic way of solving the health-care problem, i dont mind.. and btw, i laugh when you say you're gas is so expensive, here in norway its about 3 times as high, or something..

--Muffman--

[NotoriousNuno]

It's only a matter of time before all countries have to meet the demands of their people, or risk other civil wars, possibly even another world war, which will take place between the few elite & wealthy against the billions of opressed peoples of the World. These terrorists who hold all the money and power will eventually self-destruct because you can only abuse people for so long.

[TylerNull]

It is only a matter of time before the full wad of regressive socialist sects die of their own fascist notions of government as God and the giver Universal Happiness.

Do snap out of your Leftist dementia.

[NotoriousNuno]

You're a useless piece of crap, and you've already overstayed your welcome on this planet. God will soon show you why you don't mess with Us...lol. When something happens, you'll know why, and you'll remember me. ;)

[TylerNull]

There's nothing funnier than Godless Liberals leaning on religious references in an attempt to prop up their socialist gibberish.

[NotoriousNuno]

I'm an Independent, not a Democrap/Republicunt. Most dumb MFs should get through their mind is that doing what's right supercedes any political party...end of story. A message to all ignorant sheeple: Firefighters, police, state, and federal government employees enjoy similar benefits...that's Socialism. If Socialism applies to the public service sector/government, than it should apply to all people. Health Care is a basic human right, not a privilege!!!

[TylerNull]

"Health Care is a basic human right"

-- NotoriousNitWit

What about toilet paper, tires, shoes, soap, silverware, bedding, food, and underwear comrade?

[NotoriousNuno]

Before anything else in this world, you need food, health care, and housing...everything else is secondary. There's also a difference between human rights and human needs, which are the things you mentioned. Sheeple, like you, spend a lifetime learning common sense because you lack Souls to guide you through life. This is due to Godless bastards breeding, which God has no control over. We, God's Chosen, don't entertain comments by inferior beings, unless they show proof of intelligence.

[TylerNull]

You first agree with my point that people need not just health care, but a full range of goods and services. Oddly, you then go on to argue a topic that is not in contention, and then cap off your nonsense with a baseless, and entirely off-topic, rant.

Thereby, you evidence a complete rejection of logic, reason, common sense, and lessons of history typical of socialist devotees. It is your civic duty to surrender your citizenship and swim to Cuba.

[NotoriousNuno]

How about I swim in your mom's cum after I'm done with her? ;) You and your dad can watch, and learn how God's Chosen are a cut above the rest...lol. :D

[TylerNull]

Unable to defend or even articulate their politics, Leftists often regress to their happy-place. The truly infantile attempt to smear religion with their socialist stench as they do so.

[NotoriousNuno]

I didn't agree with you on anything. If anything, I taught you that there's a difference between Human rights, and Human needs. If you want to have any chance of even standing up to me in a discussion, you need to be re-born a few times, get a college education, know everything concerning good vs. evil, and then you might not get buried as badly by someone you clearly have no chance against...lol. As far as common sense goes, you wouldn't know what that is if it slapped you senseless.

[TylerNull]

Now you confuse your own itemized list of "needs" with your fascist concept of "rights".

We both agree you need food, for example, but you have no right to obligate your neighbors to feed your tonnage.

Your notion that government should have authority to redistribute wealth to satiate your greed, envy and sloth is the bestial core of socialism. Your notion that you are entitled to lots of free stuff -- taken from other peoples earnings -- is fascist. Cuba is waiting for you -- go now.

[sunnytoppil]

How bad does it have to get for the tax payers to say that's enough and jump on public assistance with the rest? Why work when you can have the same as everyone else no matter wht you do?

[jokkmockchock]

the thing that bothers me about americans is that they seldom see the 'grayscale,' everythings always black or white. and socialized medicine (we have it in sweden) isnt bad at all.

[TylerNull]

The indigenous population of Sweden is collapsing because they've stopped breeding. In order to support the Ponzi schemes of their socialist cesspool they, like many other European nations, have imported Muslim breeders. Thus, your nation is being dhimmified as we post.

Reporter: "Of the 1,000 students here, how many of your students are Swedes?"

Swedish Prinicpal: "Two".

We're well aware of what you Swedes consider "isn't bad at all".

[crazytvfan815]

God, I'm so sick of this. The Republicans run wild with this Bush facism, such as the PATRIOT ACT and the Department of Homeland Security, but the moment Democrats want to help poor kids, it's going to lead to Communism.

[TylerNull]

Destroying medical industries by nationalizing them is not "helping poor kids". Government functionaries do not possess magical powers. Unlike private citizens and private industry, government greed is unbounded by market realities.

Peasants swim AWAY from Cuba.

[NotoriousNuno]

It's called Socializing, not Nationalizing, just as Firefighters, Police, Teachers, Government Employees are Socialized. Socializing certain services, which are necessary to any society, but not socializing other services, like Health Care, which are more important is HYPOCRITICAL. If there's one thing I can't stand it's a fudge-packing HYPOCRITE. What kind of name is Tyler anyway? It sounds like a TOOL, one to help set Tiles, lol. You're as Null in this World as your screen name. :D

[TylerNull]

Socializing an industry, nationalizing an industry -- synonyms. (National Socialism is merely a sect of socialism.)

Free stuff -- stuff you haven't earned -- is not your "right".

Rights, under classical Liberalism, merely limit governments authority, e.g., Bill of Rights. Conversely, under modern Liberalism (socialism), which is the polar opposite of classical Liberalism, "rights" are a growing list of entitlements to be handed to peasants through a wad of wealth redistribution programs.

[BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot]

I assume then that you refuse police and fire department assistance, never would dial 911, will not be cashing your Social Security check, will never enroll in Medicare, and did not go to public school--out of principle--right?

[TylerNull]

Refuse services I was forced to pay for by threat of financial ruin and federal incarceration amongst savages the government refuses to punish sufficiently so that tribal gangs now run both prisons and the street? Tribal gangs spawned by the bastard breeding program in government run projects that I was also forced to pay for by threat of ... ?

Do snap out of your socialist dementia.

[Sogwa]

Let;s NOT blame Bush for maniacs like Tylernull. Those like him made Bush become the national scapegoat of the world! Bush is WAAAAY MORE HUMANE that Tylernull, Rush Limbard, Cheney, Ann Coulter, & consertatives like them.

They all gave Bush a horrific name.

[TylerNull]

Having debunked your original mythology on the matter of compassion, with the article ...

"BLEEDING HEART TIGHTWADS"

-- nytimes . com, By Nicholas Kristoff, 20 Dec 08

... having PROVEN that Conservatives are much, much more compassionate than Liberals ...

... the rabid Liberal merely ignores the historical record in favor of their happy-place -- derision against anyone who exposed their lies.

Democrats & Depravity -- Life Partners

[Shlufi]

America's the only industrialized nation without Health Care. There's no excuse for that, too many Americans have become Sheeple and have accepted the Status Quo(TylerNull). Republicans might get some more votes if they stop defending multi-billion dollar corporations and start defending fundamental human rights.

[TylerNull]

* America's the only industrialized nation without an official language.

* America's the only industrialized nation without immigration control.

* America's the only industrialized nation where citizens are free to choose their own medical care.

Leftists selectively pluck out factoids and ignore the other 99% of reality -- whatever it takes to prop up their civilization-exterminating mysticisms.

Liberalism is Inviable -- Abort It.

[Shlufi]

"America's the only industrialized nation where citizens are free to choose their own medical care" And they're also the only industrialized nation that lets people who can't afford this medical care to die. I don't hate America I just want to see it change.

[TylerNull]

Let them die?

Just keep waving that magic wand of yours and reality will follow your Communist whim -- I'm almost certain of it.

A Liberal who stops rejecting logic, reason, and the historical record is no longer Liberal.

[Shlufi]

Yes, we let them die. Does our government do anything for the dying poor? Absolutely nothing. That falls under the category of letting people die. It's as simple as that. I find it pathetic how whenever a liberal suggest something that will actually benefit the people, right-wingers label it as communism. Is that your excuse for not helping the poor masses, to "Commie" Like. Republicans need to stop being tools for corporations and realize the people need help, not fear.

[TylerNull]

"the dying poor?" -- what about the dying rich?

We do NOTHING!

Seriously, people die -- in Communist nations, where everything is "free" they die too, only younger, often at the hands of those who "love" them so much; their owners.

The only difference between evil corporations and evil govnernment functionaries is the former can't force you to do their bidding at the point of a gun.

[Shlufi]

Tyler, I know it's hard, but get this through your fat head, I'm not advocating communism and I never have, so stop comparing the things I say to communism in order to smear me. I'm advocating governmental reform seen throughout western Europe, where liberty is still present, as well as Universal Health care. Americans have been hypnotized by Murdhoch's propaganda and powerful drug-industry lobbyist.

[TylerNull]

You instinctively distrust successful business people, while trusting government functionaries, yet you claim you do not favor communism.

Allowing government functionaries to strip you of liberty in exchange for a promise of security is something liberals often pretend to hate, unless it comes to nationalizing industries. That's communism.

Emulating the Socialist cesspools of Europe, or Cuba, is regressive.

[YourGodIsntReal]

The US is the only major industrialized nation that doesn't provide health care for citizens. Of these nations we have one of the worst health care systems and the least satisfaction amongst people in the system. Republicans just hide behind the idea of the free market and no taxes. Taxes are good, the more we pay in tax the less we have to pay for with our own money because the gov't will provide more for us.

[YourGodIsntReal]

thousands will die this year from totally treatable diseases because they don't have the means to afford it. If the US wants to say it's the best then live up to the title.

[TylerNull]

"thousands will die this year from ..." -- YourGodless

Tens of thousands will die this year from:

* Law suits shutting down medical practices across the country.

* Law suits shutting down hospitals.

* Law suits driving medical companies out of business.

* Law suits causing hyperinflation of medical costs.

No wonder tort lawyers OWN the Democrat party.

Shamelessly, Liberals point to the damage their policies inflict as 'evidence' of the need for more of it.

[YourGodIsntReal]

And law suits are a part of a for-profit market. If medicine was socialized there would be less law suits, and more rescritions on what is admissable as a law suit against a hospital.

[TylerNull]

Wrong again.

Law suits are part of the for-government process of stripping others of their earnings. That which you Leftists adore -- until you gain control of all the machine guns, at which point you slaughter all the lawyers.

Which is why its a beautiful universe -- evil is self-exterminating. The only problem is it takes down all those near it.

[YourGodIsntReal]

You do realize that in a Democracy mass killings don't usually happen. conservatives are the ones that want to take the government out of people's hands and concentrate it in the hands of the wealthy few(that's called an Oligrachy).

[YourGodIsntReal]

Mass murders that have happened in this country have been committed by conservatives(Wayco, Ruby Ridge, Rainbow Farms). And most political asassinations have been of leftists who the right was threatened by(Malcom X, Martin Luther King, JFK, RFK, John Lennin). The truth of the universe is that is no one makes them, people will treat each other like shit, thus the gov't should make people take care of one another.

[TylerNull]

YourGodless,

Your horny-hick from Arkansas concieived, planned & implemented the "mass murders" you mentioned (Wacko & Ruby Ridge), which is now well documented in the US Congressional Record. In fact, the Clinton administration used law enforcement to slaughter more US Citizens in broad daylight -- women and children mostly -- than all Republican administrations in the history of our Republic combined. And Liberals love the guy.

Stop trying to smear others with Leftist stench.

[Jimuardo]

I guess this is what passes for a debate on Fox News. Couldn't they find ONE person to argue against these five?

Fair and balanced. Yeah right.

[stratweenie]

Pvwhatever,it does no good to cite examples of American idiots going to China seeking Quack embryonic stem cell treatments.There's a good reason US insurers won't payout for such crap...if there was any HOPE in ESCR(there isn't)then the private sector would invest in it and there would be insurance coverage for it if it was useful,but it isn't and WON'T BE-it's a pipe dream and those evil capitalists know it.

[nozgrd74]

that's not totally true, if your health insurance company won't cover it, then it's too expensive. Therefore if you cannot afford it you won't be able to get it and if the surgery is life threatening then you may die. Death indirectly, but still stems from the same cause, health insurance being way overpriced for people.

[nozgrd74]

minor surgeries take a while but life threatening ones are done within very reasonable time periods (about 1-2 weeks or possibly less)

[nozgrd74]

well that was a heavily unexpected situation that happened in france, if the same thing happened in the US I'm sure it wouldn't have been any different. Or at least after some get care they go home to later find in the mail a HUGE bill to pay because their insurance company didn't cover the hospital visit/stay.

[nozgrd74]

if the hospitals elsewhere are so dirty and the standards are so poor, then why say the UK for example, they have healthier people and they also live longer than amercians. There are no people in debt because they have failed to pay the huge payments from there health insurance companies in other countries. There are no people dying because they cannot afford health care in other countries that have a national health care system.

[nozgrd74]

people are so weird...."NO WE DON'T WANT FREE HEALTHCARE IN OUR COUNTRY!!"

lol makes no sense. i would easily pay more taxes for a national health care, i hope all conservatives die....

[nickster88524]

hmmmm, i respectfully disagree with your opinion, i really dont want my taxes skyrocketing for "free" health care.....but even though we disagree, i still want you to live...i think its possible to disagree without the death threats...just my opinion

[nozgrd74]

eh, i was just joking when i said i want all conservatives to die, however I still think our government should at least look into what the cost would be to establish a national health care system. I know there are cons to having a national health care, but I can't find a single site to state what those are....help?

[Sogwa]

Interesting, most conservatives HATE all things different thus the MAIN reason they are against socialized/universal health care. It is health care for ALL citizens. The poor, the minorities, the liberals, the gays, etc.

They are very much in favor of $upporting our troops and we as Americans should be. They are in favor of their rich leaders/puppet masters, corporations, & big business never paying taxes or ever helping.....

[JustJoelyouassclown]

Do I hate children because I want them to have access to care when they need it?

Where is the political discourse here? The host does the most gimmicky of field reporting, and the lady is a frickin wall street COLUMNIST. Neither can claim any part of THE NEWS. Debate not friendly turf for Faux News, either, huh?

But where would they get the money to pay to expand Orin Hatch's SCHIP? .61 cent cigarette tax hike, cant have that.

[pvukosavljev]

WRONG. My mother broke her hip and spent the night in the hospital. Next day my mother had a operation. You DO NOT need a hip replacement if you break a hip. You need a hip replacement when the JOINT has worn out. Bone rubbing on bone and there is either NO cartilage left or very little.

[TylerNull]

The notion of having to plan medical problems 3 yrs in advance is the bizarre extreme of ridiculous. Almost as much so as your apparent contentment with the horror.

You sound happy with it, though. If your post is sincere, then you deserve living as a peasant under your owners who decide when and what constitutes 'health care'.

Thankfully, American's still prefer liberty to a bureaucrats vision of their 'health'.

[muleskinner5]

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