I been a fan of the West Wing for years. It inspires me..I have watched all 7 seasons once a year for 4 years now and I always prayed I could have such a cognitive, rational, honest good hearted man like Bartlett as our President. Now I realize we can. Ron Paul cured my apathy for politics. Everytime the MSM treats him like trash because their livelihood is connected to our tax dollars I remember Jed and know believe good men do not have to be election only in fiction.
Mrs Landingham, the woman who died, was Bartlett's secretary in the WH.....she was also secretary to his father, when he was attending the boarding school his father and knew him when he was growing up just in case those aren't familar with the the background..
Every single time I watch this scene....chills up & down the spine. Really captures the grief, pain & anger of someone who loses someone they love in such a way. How those emotions are felt so powerfully & profoundly that they have to lash out at someone & a person's faith tends to be the only thing that can handle the blow at those times.
The script writers of this seris have made their anti Christian , anti God beliefs well known over past episodes. To imply that God is a hatefull God that enjoys watching the suffering of people and kills people with inpunity is a cheap shot. Strange how a President (script writers) will also acknowledge a supreme God and blame him for the woes of the world but ignore the devil.
@OttoKrinklebottom It was only a commentary on the questions people ask when loved ones die needlessly. Its a spiritual journey for Bartlett. Everyone asks why bad things happen to good people...so does he. He gets his faith back in the end and is stronger for it.
When I was studying Philosophy, I learned about the 'Teleological Argument' and how in order to prove God you say there can only be one perfect being, and that must be the Lord.
Well, frankly, I'm struggling to justify that claim, because this scene is just as perfect.
Translation: gratias tibi ago, domine. Thank you, Lord. haec credam a deo pio, a deo justo, a deo scito? Am I to believe these things from a righteous god, a just god, a wise god? cruciatus in crucem To hell with your punishments! tuus in terra servus, nuntius fui; officium perfeci. I was your servant, your messenger on the earth; I did my duty. (referring to an earlier time, when Bartlet was considering being a priest) cruciatus in crucem -- (wave) eas in crucem *wave* "stay on your cross"
I love that they didn't include subtitles, the way Martin Sheen delivers those lines you know exactly what he's talking about without understanding a single word. Cinematic genius.
I love that five-second shot when Bartlett smokes a cigarette, throws it on-to the church floor and smudges it with his foot.
Just one of the few perfect moments of this scene that shows the disgust, and betrayal, that Bartlett feels against the very being that he freely worshiped.
@spahjrp Dancing with the stars,,,,Let m say," there all brainwashed." the whole lot that watches that crap..un real...if your in a room with someone and they have to watch it, just stare and look at them, dont let em know it just see how jacked they get its scary...
@bornbillsmith Sometimes your are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There's also the idea you have to take the bad with the good.
God gives and he takes.
We all die at the end.
Some live shorter lives and some live longer.
There's no such thing as a good death but if you believe her death resulted from some higher up judgement maybe if she didn't die this way she could have died after getting cancer and suffered alot before she died.
@bornbillsmith One of the Priests on the set during the shooting of this episode was asked his opinion of Barlett's screed and replied "One cannot have Faith without questioning it" (paraphrased, but his point). *In the show* Jed was dealing with multiple issues building through the season & the death was his breaking point. If you watch the entire episode you'll see he makes his peace with god and is "re-baptized". You have your opinion, but it's not a vaild one from the show's POV.
@bornbillsmith One of the Priests on the set during the shooting of this episode was asked his opinion of Barlett's screed and replied "One cannot have Faith without questioning it" (paraphrased, but his point). *In the show* Jed was dealing with multiple issues building through the season & the death was his breaking point. If you watch the entire episode you'll see he makes his peace with god and is "re-baptized". You have your opinion, but it's not a vaild one from the show's POV.
@mongomondomongo It's called Two Cathedrals because of the National one in Washington and the one at the school where he was when he first met Ms. Landingham.
@UncleMilo Could also argue that the White House is the second Cathedral as well. Jeb seems to consider his Presidency his service, his calling, his sacrifice to the Almighty, therefore, his Church.
May I join the chorus of people who miss this show SO much? Just glad we had it at all.
Latin Translation= (Am I to believe those were the acts of a loving God? A just God? A wise God? To hell with Your punishments! I was Your servant on Earth - I spread Your word and did Your work. To hell with your punishments! To hell with You!)
What I especially love about this scene is he curses out God in Latin - with no subtitles. It's up to the viewer to interpret (and then look up) what he actually said. You just know he's pissed.
Isn't life about the good and the bad? I love this scene. In real life bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Can God stop it? yes
Will he? Nope I probably think that God doesn't really care about us since Eve disobeyed him. It's been free will and choice from then on. There needs to be a balance. God and Lucifer. Good and bad. Personally I don't think anyone should be wasting their time to curse out God. Maybe if it helps you feel better. Life is life God or no God
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Obama is about to do one of these? If I were the president, I'd be cursing at God in Latin right about now, and I don't believe in God or know Latin.
@spahjrp Ah yes, Biblical ignorance speaks. No, the devil created himself....or more accurately, he rebelled and violated God's will. Ergo, you have no clue.
@CRoadwarrior The devil created himself? REALLY? So "God" is not the ultimate anything as I have suspected all along...and don't be giving me "biblical ignorance" shit. The Bible is pretty fucking easy to understand if your eyeballs are bathed in shit. Or...the devil rebelled and is giving this all powerful "God" some trouble..."all powerful"? Seems like the devil is "God's" match one on one. Me? Fuck the both of them!
@spahjrp The writers of the Bible clearly states God as saying; "I created evil"........"I am evil." OF COURSE HE IS. GOD is ALL THINGS! Both Good and Evil.. He would have to be.
@mattjc1990 Very interesting and I thank you for leading me to this sight. Whereas I may be in darkness there is still light somewhere; cold, but somewhere there is warmth. Both are reality, both live next to each other. Both created from one. Sincerely.
@swbrand Which only goes to make my point..."god" is a dick who gets off on suffering and then deftly making all of this OUR FAULT. What a bunch of crap. If "god" exists, he has to be a fking a-hole like the Enron guys or Cheney or any number of other power hungry thugs. Screw "god".
@spahjrp I say; To Hell with the writers and interpreters of the Bible. They are the ones that screwed everything up. And even to this day. We read about the "Red Sea" being parted. The correct translation is "Reed Sea". Makes a big difference. Then look at all the different Bibles that are circulating around. Each one has a slightly different slant on translation. We all have a differnt opinion of God; etc. Then, there are companion books. LDS has J. Smith, 7th day adventists have E.G, White.
I watch these You Tube clips every night and mourn the loss of this series. The finest TV show ever to grace the screen.A superb cast, superb writers...I felt like these people were family. I rejoiced with them and cried plenty. I have just ordered the series on DVD and look forward to enjoying the many many wonderful moments that made up the greatest TV series...The West Wing. P.S. Can anyone get Martin Sheen to run for president? There is no question he could do a better job.
There's some context left out of this scene that makes his rage all the more poignant. Bartett had lied about his MS and regards the death of his friend as retribution. Also, in a flashback, we first meet Bartlett’s authoritarian father, the headmaster at his school, when the father reprimands him over a cigarette butt found in the chapel, proof that one of his friends was smoking there. Bartlett now does just that and adds bitterly that he won't run. Hoynes would be candidate.
just started watching this show. I loved Season 1, but I found Season 2 to be amazing! So many good episodes, Noel was my favourite, until this one. It felt so cinematic. Great show.
I'm studying to be a hospice chaplain so I really shouldn't insult my own boss. But I found this so passionate and dramatic, it brought tears to my eyes. We live in the United States; a person in pain can lash out at God without repercussions. I found it refreshing to hear this character, a former priesthood-student with an encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible, feel enraged toward God after he loses someone close. It’s serious drama.It’s a point of view we should be strong enough to hear.
@drbayoms Wouldnt care to prostrate myself to a Bully Deity. If I can't get pissed at the guy for what he/she/it did it's just another dictator. If theres any consequences it's that I would drop him on the turn of a hat if he turns out to be the feckless thug mentioned in the clip.
Your entire life is one of prostration. You have very little control. Strength comes from understanding the places in your life in which you do have control. Believe it or not, it does take strength to be submissive. Good Luck.
@drbayoms .............Hey that was very good. Best comment I've ever read. I'm going to remember this from now on and think of it when I get frusturated.
@tkellnerus There's a good quote from Aaron Sorkin:
"As for the clergy, there were many of them on the set while we shot the scene (some of them were used on camera.) I was introduced to a minister and said, 'You know he's about renounce God, right?' The minister said, 'Yeah, I saw rehearsal, it's gonna be great.'...he gave me a pretty good talking-to about how true people of faith are supposed to question God."
I love this scene, possibly my favourite on the entire series.
@aussiejed1 - VERY powerful scene. Especially w / he calls Graham Green an ass - kisser, when he calls God a " feckless thug ", lights a cigarette in the Cathedral & then crushes it ot on the floor. Very human reactions. If Netflix is carrying it, I'm putting it in my queue.
@tkellnerus - Has there ever been a person of faith ( Christian, Jewish, Islamic, etc. ) who HASN'T had a similar moment ? Even the most devout human has probably felt an urge to tell the Almighty something nasty & rude, etc.
On the DVD Martin Sheen talked about how difficult it was. He said he'd never acted in a foreign language before, let alone latin. There was the personal difficulty of cursing god, in his own language, in a church - Sheen's a catholic, and it made him uneasy. Then there was stomping out a cigarette in the National Cathedral; quite sure nobody's ever dared to do that before.
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Oh, sweet.
Ever notice how leftists can write incredibly good curses at God? but can't seem to figure out the answer that a eighth grader could figure out? President Bartlett should have noticed that he was trying to buy his way out of suffering the same grief that all humans suffer. Yeah, I get the pain of loss. I've felt it. But guess what? A good man can feel that and NOT cuss out God like an angry toddler -- or if he does, he immediately regrets it.
This part alws, always gets to me... in addition to Mrs Laningham arriving and talking to him about it at the end... it's just beautiful, the series is evidently beautiful written and the actors/actresses are spectacular.
I think Sheen played this bit perfectly, I'm sure his anger towards God could've come out but the character reconciles with God so I'm sure he didn't mind, especially as the president in the series is Catholic too... I seriously can't get enough of this series
@BaconBoy914 "BaconBoy"!!! Your screen name is Bacon Boy and you're asking me if I am retarded. Listen here fuck stick go give ur daddy his nightly nut licking then fuck your little brother to sleep.
Honestly, this clip is from the finest piece of television ever written, acted, produced and gifted to the audience...so why use this as a forum to hit out at Charlie Sheen. Have you seen his father's interviews? A man in desperate fear for his child (who, by the way, is 40+ years old and more than capable of his own mistakes). Leave it out and use this page to comment on the clip, the series, the acting. 'Feckless Thug' is about right, if describing the haters who just, well, hate!
@TheCrookedTimber I think that it's his way of grieving. It's a really unfair situation that he's stuck in and he doesn't understand why things keep coming at him from all sides, so he's venting. The world isn't fair and, in this scene, he doesn't understand why that is.
you have to really watch the whole episodes and even the series to understand he was not really yelling at god but his father who treated him like he was never good enough.
Exactly. The god he believed in wasn't vindictive, but the father he loved and tried to please was. Mrs Landingham explained it all. "Your father was a prick."
It must have been tough for Sheen, a devout Catholic, to play it so well. Great actor.
I wonder why the choice was made not to direct it in a Catholic church. The one in DC is extravagant, much moreso than this one, which is already impressive. Perhaps Sheen didn't want to blaspheme with the real presence of the Lord in the tabernacle? That had to have crossed his mind as a Catholic in real life, even if those words were only an act.
@amandawiss Right. The question asked was why the scene was shot in Washington National Cathedral, which is Episcopalian, rather than in a Roman Catholic Church, which appears to have been President Bartlett's religion. I imagine it's because Mrs. Landingham was Episcopalian. Thus, her memorial service would have been in an Episcopal church.
If Arron Sorkin & Martin Sheen wanted to insuld God in his own laungauge then why isnt he speeking Aramaic or Hebrew?? Latin wasnt the Language of Christ or God....
@mrpointy123 That wasn't the point, Latin was the spoken word in Catholic church. Bartlett was in a Catholic Church and was raised Catholic, and knew Latin, I doubt the President would just learn Aramaic or Hebrew just for that occasion where he wants to get mad at God.
I wonder if God looks down upon us and thinks: "My children, all the evil and pain that you all experience is NOT my doing. I grieve as much as you do. But since I have given you all free will, you will experience evil and pain from others. Giving you free will, I can't protect you, otherwise it would not truly be free will. Living with Free will means living with evil and pain and suffering. Would you rather I protect you by taking away free will?"
@LowCostVideo I'm a mortal driving my little car along and I hit a pedestrian because I fail to hit the break, am I responsible for his death? It wasn't MY doing: if he wanted to screw himself over it wasn't my place to set him straight.
Likewise, if I'm a God commanding elements that obey me without question, is it MY fault Tokyo was in the way of my earthquake and Tsunami?
At the funeral of the pedestrian I hit: "all this evil and pain is NOT my doing."
thanks for the translation, my latin is pretty much forgotten. Its hard to beat a series like TWW, and I agree on the second season. But this is the best three minutes of drama I have ever seen in my life. God how I miss this show
God, I really wanted to slap Leo - he sounded so insincere in this scene it made me so mad. As for Martin Sheen.... magnificent. When I saw this episode, this scene gave me shivers. Incredible stuff.
@fanguk2 He's not a man being insincere. He's a man who's saying something, because there's no words good enough. I've been that guy before, and I know what it feels like. The words feel empty, but you feel like you have to say something, to let the person know that you empathize with, but cannot fully comprehend, their unfathomable loss.
I thank the person that found and put not only the video but the translation up as well. My father was an enormous fan of the west wing and this episode was our favorite. I believe that is one of the most strong pieces and memorable parts from any television show. My dad is gone now and when I get mad for the lord taking him at just 52 I get angry at the lord. But that monologue is so realistic that I watch it then I can try to come to peace with him being gone. The lord is my savior but at one
I was living in an Apartment in Penrith, a suburb at the foot of the Blue Mountains an hour west of Sydney, Australia. I was addicted to this series. I remember at the end of the screening of this episode there was a news flash telling us that the first Aircraft had hit the World Trade Centre. Where was Jed Bartlett when we needed him? It will be ten years this September.
Please put a well written, beautifully acted and directed, and intelligent drama on broadcast TV again, If the cable companies can do it, the networks can. Or have the networks simply given up being anything but pandarers to the lowest level of human intelligence?
This scene just blows me away! As angry as Jed Bartlet is in this scene, you feel that his rage is really coming from a place of faith. (Can't talk to God like that if you don't believe in him in the first place, and if you don't believe he plays a role in how things in your life unfold.) Martin Sheen should have won an award for this!!!
@FUwogs Is that what your mother calls her vibrator? You have an funny page on YouTube here. Full of hate towards 'dirty, stinky, taco-head, 'spics' Look moron. As bankrupt as the United States of America is, owing TRILLIONS of $'s already to China, with it's citizens even poorer than that. Were it not for the illegal workers of American, you couldn't even afford to buy an apple were it picked by a union worker. So until you know how things really work tough guy... go lick your mother (again).
@ColRangerFontana Neither one of you has any idea how things really work. He's racebaiting and you're supporting the stealing of American jobs by people that have no intention of assimilating into American society. Union workers are owed a lot and instead of getting the respect the union worker deserves, the employer is looking to pinch pennies wherever he can and hires these people for pennies on the dollar instead of giving jobs to those who need them. Take both your flags and shove 'em.
@fatmanfiftythousand Sure, they should deport all illegal immigrants, unionize fruit pickers, and sell apples for $10 each. Or how about union workers keep getting raises until no one buys their cars and those 'penny-pinching' bosses close the company down for good. If YOUR was was right, YOUR way would be in effect. It is not, Thus YOU are wrong. The way it is is fact. The way you idealize if fiction. Deal with it... take YOUR idealism and shove that.
@fatmanfiftythousand WHY pay an American $30,000 a year for phone tech-support when you can hire someone in India for $400 a YEAR + the price of the phone line? WHY?! Because you think they should?! I don't know what I'm talking about? Hey douche bag... Millionaire here before 40. You just keep running up your student loans and credit cards. Get that idealistic degree, and I'm just the guy to fire your mouthy, idealistic ass in the future. Keep talkin' dreamer boy. LOL!
Am I supposed to be impressed? Why would I want to work for you? Hell, if anything I should be running for office where I can punish people like you for the actions you take.
I think you'll find the majority of the American public would disagree with your logic.
Go ahead and stroke your little ego and play around with your mistress. Money obviously can't buy you a soul. Bitch.
@fatmanfiftythousand Because I have money, I have no soul? LOL... did you learn THAT in school, or does that jealous streak all your own... bitch? And to give your words more strength you're speaking for the American public now? Look jealous, poor, grunt... I've had family work for (and still working in) unions. I know all about them. Their need for them back when, and their abuse of power now. ALL for the Union leaders to live well, while their membership gets axed.
The sad thing is you think I hate you because of your money. Don't flatter yourself. And I don't know what I need to be jealous of...I'd rather be a working stiff than a colossal prick if that's the way you conduct yourself.
@fatmanfiftythousand ... sniffle... look jealous twat. The world won't set their standards on yours, so don't act like they will. You idealist, unaccomplished, shut-in. You're not important. You're a grunt. You're a whiny bitch. Hose the sand out of your vag. Princess. Go save America, Mr. Justice! Go run for office learn you'll have even less power than the common voter. Thx. again for the laugh, punk. LOL!
@fatmanfiftythousand Now internet threats punk? How important do you imagine you are that anyone would travel just to kick your welfare riding ass around your trailer park?
@fatmanfiftythousand You'd rather be a working stiff. With your intellect, it's not like you will have a choice in the matter pleb. I wouldn't judge how others conduct themselves. You should take a good, long look at the loser in your mirror, Mr. Fingerpointer, blame all that's wrong in the world. But have neither the balls or brains to fix anything. Tell your whore of a mom she spawned a retard.
@fatmanfiftythousand And what 'hole' am I exactly digging? LOL! You're the biggest joke on here. I see all you do is bitch. But when someone disagrees with you Princess, you offer NO solutions. Just yap. That's all you'll accomplish in life punk... and that's yap. Clearly, your loser parents are carrying on their trend I see. You insignificant dreg. You are a waste of air, skin, water and food. ALL talk, NO solutions. How would YOU fix the economy genius? $20/hr. Union Fruit Pickers? LOLOLOL!!!
@fatmanfiftythousand You should run for office. Because kickbacks are the only way to make it in a government job like that. Oh, you think you'll run, win and NOT be a puppet by your political supporters, Mr. Idealist? Shut the fuck up 'til you get out of your mommy's basement and learn about life outside of a book dipshit. You'll never be in a position to 'punish' people like me. You are a pimple on fly's ass. No more. Know it. Live it. Breathe it. You are but a simple plebeian.
@fatmanfiftythousand I'll bet daddy taught you how to do that after he came home drunk from bowling night, while your mom was still whoring outside the Legion to make rent on your trailer. lol... you are pathetic boy.
@fatmanfiftythousand As for the American public (you seem cares that you speak on their behalf, Mr. Self-Important (ie: insecure)) - I hope you don't mind that I take to heart the opinion of a society that owes China TRILLIONS of $'s do you? LOL! I'll bet redneck you wishes you could have voted Bush in for a 3rd. term were that allowed, to sink you further into the hole. LOL... suck it, loser! Ignorance isn't bliss, so stop hiding behind it, fool.
I still think this is THE best scene ever in the history of television.
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I been a fan of the West Wing for years. It inspires me..I have watched all 7 seasons once a year for 4 years now and I always prayed I could have such a cognitive, rational, honest good hearted man like Bartlett as our President. Now I realize we can. Ron Paul cured my apathy for politics. Everytime the MSM treats him like trash because their livelihood is connected to our tax dollars I remember Jed and know believe good men do not have to be election only in fiction.
Ron Paul 2012.
JohnnyMac2237 3 weeks ago
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JohnnyMac2237 3 weeks ago
One of the best episodes of the entire series, maybe of all time.
foxh8er 1 month ago 2
Mrs Landingham, the woman who died, was Bartlett's secretary in the WH.....she was also secretary to his father, when he was attending the boarding school his father and knew him when he was growing up just in case those aren't familar with the the background..
histre101 1 month ago
I started crying when he called Josh his son. This is like... the best performance ever.
geekoftheweek27 1 month ago 2
Every single time I watch this scene....chills up & down the spine. Really captures the grief, pain & anger of someone who loses someone they love in such a way. How those emotions are felt so powerfully & profoundly that they have to lash out at someone & a person's faith tends to be the only thing that can handle the blow at those times.
celticmoonbeams 1 month ago 3
The script writers of this seris have made their anti Christian , anti God beliefs well known over past episodes. To imply that God is a hatefull God that enjoys watching the suffering of people and kills people with inpunity is a cheap shot. Strange how a President (script writers) will also acknowledge a supreme God and blame him for the woes of the world but ignore the devil.
OttoKrinklebottom 2 months ago
@OttoKrinklebottom It was only a commentary on the questions people ask when loved ones die needlessly. Its a spiritual journey for Bartlett. Everyone asks why bad things happen to good people...so does he. He gets his faith back in the end and is stronger for it.
MaDdMaN4444 1 month ago 3
@OttoKrinklebottom Clearly you haven't read the Old Testament.
Intellect1618 1 month ago
@OttoKrinklebottom who created the devil with omniscience knowing he would cause pain, thus sharing in the culpability?
Matisaro 1 month ago
@OttoKrinklebottom I'm guessing you haven't read the Book of Job, where God lets Satan fuck up a righteous man as part of a bet.
ISavant 4 weeks ago 2
When I was studying Philosophy, I learned about the 'Teleological Argument' and how in order to prove God you say there can only be one perfect being, and that must be the Lord.
Well, frankly, I'm struggling to justify that claim, because this scene is just as perfect.
thedude1325 2 months ago
ArKaiN123 2 months ago
i love that he called josh lyman his son
NOWAYNOTME91 2 months ago 2
I love that they didn't include subtitles, the way Martin Sheen delivers those lines you know exactly what he's talking about without understanding a single word. Cinematic genius.
ForeverInDresses 2 months ago 2
Wonder how they got permission to smoke in a cathedral?
ICHBYD98 3 months ago
@ICHBYD98 They weren't. It was Barlett's ultimate insult!
downhomesunset 2 months ago
@ICHBYD98 For me, the cigarette butt on the floor was perfect. EXACTLY the way I feel about all religion and "god" (if the turd actually existed).
spahjrp 2 months ago
@ICHBYD98 It was undergoing a main hall and lattice rennovation during the taping. I grew up about 5 minutes from the Cathedral.
Intellect1618 1 month ago
I love that five-second shot when Bartlett smokes a cigarette, throws it on-to the church floor and smudges it with his foot.
Just one of the few perfect moments of this scene that shows the disgust, and betrayal, that Bartlett feels against the very being that he freely worshiped.
Perfect.
thedude1325 4 months ago
We don't have good tv anymore...we have dancing with the dipshits or wish I were a survivor crap.
spahjrp 4 months ago
@spahjrp Dancing with the stars,,,,Let m say," there all brainwashed." the whole lot that watches that crap..un real...if your in a room with someone and they have to watch it, just stare and look at them, dont let em know it just see how jacked they get its scary...
stox500 3 months ago
You get Hoines, still gives me shivers.
iannopandakun 4 months ago 2
I can't agree with the comments that support what the President said,
I was hit by a car and was left with a paraliysis of the right arm and that was over 30 years ago.
It changed my life and even though I am still angry that it happened It never ocurred to me to blame God.
We have free choice.
That is a blessing and a curse.
It's a blessing as we have the freedom to be good or bad.
however it's also a curse because things happen without reason..
bornbillsmith 4 months ago
@bornbillsmith Sometimes your are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There's also the idea you have to take the bad with the good.
God gives and he takes.
We all die at the end.
Some live shorter lives and some live longer.
There's no such thing as a good death but if you believe her death resulted from some higher up judgement maybe if she didn't die this way she could have died after getting cancer and suffered alot before she died.
bornbillsmith 4 months ago
@bornbillsmith You can't take the good without taking the bad.
She lived a good life.
She had alot to be thankfull for and so does the "President.
We don't know why we were created or why we die.
We have to accept it.
Therefore when she died he should be sad but blaming God from a man who has a bachground in religion
is wrong as he should know better.
bornbillsmith 4 months ago
@bornbillsmith One of the Priests on the set during the shooting of this episode was asked his opinion of Barlett's screed and replied "One cannot have Faith without questioning it" (paraphrased, but his point). *In the show* Jed was dealing with multiple issues building through the season & the death was his breaking point. If you watch the entire episode you'll see he makes his peace with god and is "re-baptized". You have your opinion, but it's not a vaild one from the show's POV.
scarred2112 3 months ago
@bornbillsmith One of the Priests on the set during the shooting of this episode was asked his opinion of Barlett's screed and replied "One cannot have Faith without questioning it" (paraphrased, but his point). *In the show* Jed was dealing with multiple issues building through the season & the death was his breaking point. If you watch the entire episode you'll see he makes his peace with god and is "re-baptized". You have your opinion, but it's not a vaild one from the show's POV.
scarred2112 3 months ago
@bornbillsmith "GOD" put the car where it was. You didn't have free choice..."GOD" decided to fuck up your life.
spahjrp 2 months ago
Anyone know why this episode is called Two Cathedrals? I think there's only one, the national one in Washington?
mongomondomongo 5 months ago
@mongomondomongo You know, i see seriously never realised that :P Nice observation...btw
TheINDP 4 months ago in playlist Best of West Wing
@mongomondomongo It's called Two Cathedrals because of the National one in Washington and the one at the school where he was when he first met Ms. Landingham.
UncleMilo 4 months ago
@UncleMilo Could also argue that the White House is the second Cathedral as well. Jeb seems to consider his Presidency his service, his calling, his sacrifice to the Almighty, therefore, his Church.
May I join the chorus of people who miss this show SO much? Just glad we had it at all.
mattperiolat 3 months ago 2
We all have crused God once at least. I did when he took my mother.....he got over it.
NaSMaX 5 months ago
@winterwolf00. ty
alastarter 5 months ago
Latin Translation= (Am I to believe those were the acts of a loving God? A just God? A wise God? To hell with Your punishments! I was Your servant on Earth - I spread Your word and did Your work. To hell with your punishments! To hell with You!)
Winterwolf00 5 months ago 29
Only Brothers in Arms could follow this...
musewembley17 5 months ago
What I especially love about this scene is he curses out God in Latin - with no subtitles. It's up to the viewer to interpret (and then look up) what he actually said. You just know he's pissed.
aussiejed1 5 months ago
Isn't life about the good and the bad? I love this scene. In real life bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Can God stop it? yes
Will he? Nope I probably think that God doesn't really care about us since Eve disobeyed him. It's been free will and choice from then on. There needs to be a balance. God and Lucifer. Good and bad. Personally I don't think anyone should be wasting their time to curse out God. Maybe if it helps you feel better. Life is life God or no God
Cherrysakura5 5 months ago
one of the best scenes in a drama series ever
rexhead 5 months ago 2
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Obama is about to do one of these? If I were the president, I'd be cursing at God in Latin right about now, and I don't believe in God or know Latin.
B4Bandana 6 months ago
@ billlthecanuck. i know. i would still never smoke in a church or graveyard. but thanks.
alastarter 6 months ago
The cigarette was the PERFECT touch! Pretty much sums up my thoughts on religion and I don't smoke!
spahjrp 6 months ago 3
LOL...I love it how these shows caricature God, and totally ignore how the devil does all this stuff and loves to see us foolishly blame God.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior You dipshit, GOD created everything did he not? Ergo, He made the devil. God is a dick.
spahjrp 6 months ago
@spahjrp Ah yes, Biblical ignorance speaks. No, the devil created himself....or more accurately, he rebelled and violated God's will. Ergo, you have no clue.
CRoadwarrior 6 months ago
@CRoadwarrior The devil created himself? REALLY? So "God" is not the ultimate anything as I have suspected all along...and don't be giving me "biblical ignorance" shit. The Bible is pretty fucking easy to understand if your eyeballs are bathed in shit. Or...the devil rebelled and is giving this all powerful "God" some trouble..."all powerful"? Seems like the devil is "God's" match one on one. Me? Fuck the both of them!
spahjrp 6 months ago
@spahjrp The writers of the Bible clearly states God as saying; "I created evil"........"I am evil." OF COURSE HE IS. GOD is ALL THINGS! Both Good and Evil.. He would have to be.
swbrand 2 months ago
@swbrand check this out you might find it interesting /watch?v=JQes-a1nu78
mattjc1990 2 months ago
@mattjc1990 Very interesting and I thank you for leading me to this sight. Whereas I may be in darkness there is still light somewhere; cold, but somewhere there is warmth. Both are reality, both live next to each other. Both created from one. Sincerely.
swbrand 2 months ago
@swbrand Which only goes to make my point..."god" is a dick who gets off on suffering and then deftly making all of this OUR FAULT. What a bunch of crap. If "god" exists, he has to be a fking a-hole like the Enron guys or Cheney or any number of other power hungry thugs. Screw "god".
spahjrp 2 months ago
@spahjrp I say; To Hell with the writers and interpreters of the Bible. They are the ones that screwed everything up. And even to this day. We read about the "Red Sea" being parted. The correct translation is "Reed Sea". Makes a big difference. Then look at all the different Bibles that are circulating around. Each one has a slightly different slant on translation. We all have a differnt opinion of God; etc. Then, there are companion books. LDS has J. Smith, 7th day adventists have E.G, White.
swbrand 2 months ago
Sorry, I'm new to the series. Who just died?
stopthemadness99 6 months ago
@stopthemadness99
Dolores Landingham, the President's first Executive Secretary.
DottDanielJackson 6 months ago
To the cross with you!
hanscombe72 6 months ago
I watch these You Tube clips every night and mourn the loss of this series. The finest TV show ever to grace the screen.A superb cast, superb writers...I felt like these people were family. I rejoiced with them and cried plenty. I have just ordered the series on DVD and look forward to enjoying the many many wonderful moments that made up the greatest TV series...The West Wing. P.S. Can anyone get Martin Sheen to run for president? There is no question he could do a better job.
pulidogs 6 months ago 2
the cig went too far. i buried my dad and sister. i was angry at god but i would never smoke in a church or grave yard. shame that show is over.
alastarter 7 months ago
@alastarter it builds on something from earlier in the episode.
billthecanuck 6 months ago
@billthecanuck - Man, I miss this show. A lot. Josiah Bartlett was a very HUMAN president.
knoxvilleguy2 6 months ago
Martin Sheen: because you don't have to be tall to be a mountain. Holy shiz.
SaintAlia10191 7 months ago
The cigarette at the end is perfect.
DrDroXX 7 months ago 2
@DrDroXX No the Ending scene of this show was perfect, best scene I have ever seen
tdrider2008 7 months ago
Railing at Sorkin, the God of the series, was what I thought when I was watching this show years ago.
hlltwin 7 months ago
Arguably, one of the best scenes. Didn't they win an Emmy cause of this part?
SarignCleric 7 months ago
i bet there is a really awkward secret service agent hiding behind a pillar somewhere.
tomsolo127 7 months ago
I only learned leo died recently. very sorry to hear of it. may he rest in peace. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
alastarter 7 months ago 2
I only learned leo died recently. very sorry to hear of it. may he rest in peace. ccccccccccccccc
alastarter 7 months ago
One of the best clip of the West Wing.
AirbusA380Rocks 7 months ago
simply the best clip from the finest episode of the greatest TV show in history!
nemesis1365 7 months ago
There's some context left out of this scene that makes his rage all the more poignant. Bartett had lied about his MS and regards the death of his friend as retribution. Also, in a flashback, we first meet Bartlett’s authoritarian father, the headmaster at his school, when the father reprimands him over a cigarette butt found in the chapel, proof that one of his friends was smoking there. Bartlett now does just that and adds bitterly that he won't run. Hoynes would be candidate.
tkellnerus 7 months ago
just started watching this show. I loved Season 1, but I found Season 2 to be amazing! So many good episodes, Noel was my favourite, until this one. It felt so cinematic. Great show.
HipHopiz4Real 7 months ago
I'm studying to be a hospice chaplain so I really shouldn't insult my own boss. But I found this so passionate and dramatic, it brought tears to my eyes. We live in the United States; a person in pain can lash out at God without repercussions. I found it refreshing to hear this character, a former priesthood-student with an encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible, feel enraged toward God after he loses someone close. It’s serious drama.It’s a point of view we should be strong enough to hear.
tkellnerus 8 months ago 45
@tkellnerus
"can lash out at God without repercussions"
There is consequences.
drbayoms 7 months ago
@drbayoms Wouldnt care to prostrate myself to a Bully Deity. If I can't get pissed at the guy for what he/she/it did it's just another dictator. If theres any consequences it's that I would drop him on the turn of a hat if he turns out to be the feckless thug mentioned in the clip.
roflastc 7 months ago
@roflastc
Your entire life is one of prostration. You have very little control. Strength comes from understanding the places in your life in which you do have control. Believe it or not, it does take strength to be submissive. Good Luck.
drbayoms 7 months ago
@drbayoms .............Hey that was very good. Best comment I've ever read. I'm going to remember this from now on and think of it when I get frusturated.
chrissline77 7 months ago
@tkellnerus There's a good quote from Aaron Sorkin:
"As for the clergy, there were many of them on the set while we shot the scene (some of them were used on camera.) I was introduced to a minister and said, 'You know he's about renounce God, right?' The minister said, 'Yeah, I saw rehearsal, it's gonna be great.'...he gave me a pretty good talking-to about how true people of faith are supposed to question God."
I love this scene, possibly my favourite on the entire series.
aussiejed1 5 months ago
@aussiejed1 - VERY powerful scene. Especially w / he calls Graham Green an ass - kisser, when he calls God a " feckless thug ", lights a cigarette in the Cathedral & then crushes it ot on the floor. Very human reactions. If Netflix is carrying it, I'm putting it in my queue.
knoxvilleguy2 5 months ago
@tkellnerus - Has there ever been a person of faith ( Christian, Jewish, Islamic, etc. ) who HASN'T had a similar moment ? Even the most devout human has probably felt an urge to tell the Almighty something nasty & rude, etc.
knoxvilleguy2 5 months ago 12
On the DVD Martin Sheen talked about how difficult it was. He said he'd never acted in a foreign language before, let alone latin. There was the personal difficulty of cursing god, in his own language, in a church - Sheen's a catholic, and it made him uneasy. Then there was stomping out a cigarette in the National Cathedral; quite sure nobody's ever dared to do that before.
JoseJimeniz 8 months ago
you feckless thug...jesus is there a more telling and moving sentiment
AreYuuDizzy 8 months ago
Every time I watch this clip, I am reminded of just how much I miss this fantastic program!
jimmyb227 8 months ago in playlist West Wing
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Oh, sweet.
Ever notice how leftists can write incredibly good curses at God? but can't seem to figure out the answer that a eighth grader could figure out? President Bartlett should have noticed that he was trying to buy his way out of suffering the same grief that all humans suffer. Yeah, I get the pain of loss. I've felt it. But guess what? A good man can feel that and NOT cuss out God like an angry toddler -- or if he does, he immediately regrets it.
These writers are from hell.
philWynk 8 months ago
This part alws, always gets to me... in addition to Mrs Laningham arriving and talking to him about it at the end... it's just beautiful, the series is evidently beautiful written and the actors/actresses are spectacular.
I think Sheen played this bit perfectly, I'm sure his anger towards God could've come out but the character reconciles with God so I'm sure he didn't mind, especially as the president in the series is Catholic too... I seriously can't get enough of this series
xLittleCrazyPersonx 8 months ago 2
Is that Chink he's speaking at the end?
gsxrbuckeye 8 months ago
@gsxrbuckeye Go to Hell you ignorant fuckwad, it's Latin. What are you, retarded?
BaconBoy914 8 months ago
@BaconBoy914 "BaconBoy"!!! Your screen name is Bacon Boy and you're asking me if I am retarded. Listen here fuck stick go give ur daddy his nightly nut licking then fuck your little brother to sleep.
gsxrbuckeye 8 months ago
Honestly, this clip is from the finest piece of television ever written, acted, produced and gifted to the audience...so why use this as a forum to hit out at Charlie Sheen. Have you seen his father's interviews? A man in desperate fear for his child (who, by the way, is 40+ years old and more than capable of his own mistakes). Leave it out and use this page to comment on the clip, the series, the acting. 'Feckless Thug' is about right, if describing the haters who just, well, hate!
RudeBhoy21 8 months ago 4
"you feckless thug"
flamefrombeyond 8 months ago 2
sorry jed, i've tried this too. i praised him, prayed to him, cursed at him. doesn't seem to make the slightest difference.
platinumsalamander 8 months ago
'What was Josh Lyman, A Warning Shot? That was my son.'
The way his voice cracks gets me every time. That could have been unbelieveably cheesy, but Sheen lands it like a plane in the fucking hudson
Gunner2991994 8 months ago 28
Yet I get nervous thinking that this is probably what George W Bush was doing when he was communicating with his god (maybe not the Latin)
miahk2 9 months ago
One of the most powerful scenes in Television history. The Greatest drama ever made.
swannie47 9 months ago 3
MENDOZZA!!!!!!
StargateMunky 9 months ago
I love that this is still so regularly watched on here. It's brilliant.
chrisbboyd 9 months ago 2
'You get Hoynes'.
ferro176 9 months ago
@TheCrookedTimber I think that it's his way of grieving. It's a really unfair situation that he's stuck in and he doesn't understand why things keep coming at him from all sides, so he's venting. The world isn't fair and, in this scene, he doesn't understand why that is.
memyselfandi103 9 months ago
I know how he feels, my brother died on the 26/03/2011!
Fonintel 9 months ago
@Fonintel I'm so sorry.
RuleNr34 9 months ago
One of my favorite scenes from the show. It masterfully portrays the human condition.
kayannjanet 9 months ago 4
"What was Josh Lyman, a warning shot? That was my son."
Gets me every time.
bunnyflower 10 months ago
you have to really watch the whole episodes and even the series to understand he was not really yelling at god but his father who treated him like he was never good enough.
dravin815 10 months ago
@dravin815
Exactly. The god he believed in wasn't vindictive, but the father he loved and tried to please was. Mrs Landingham explained it all. "Your father was a prick."
It must have been tough for Sheen, a devout Catholic, to play it so well. Great actor.
Gracie0935 9 months ago
I wonder why the choice was made not to direct it in a Catholic church. The one in DC is extravagant, much moreso than this one, which is already impressive. Perhaps Sheen didn't want to blaspheme with the real presence of the Lord in the tabernacle? That had to have crossed his mind as a Catholic in real life, even if those words were only an act.
BalladoftheWindfish 10 months ago
@BalladoftheWindfish I believe Mrs. Landingham was Episcopalian, so her memorial service would have been in an Episcopal church, right?
nybabyy1000 9 months ago
@nybabyy1000 - Washington National Cathedral is Episcopalian.
amandawiss 8 months ago
@amandawiss Right. The question asked was why the scene was shot in Washington National Cathedral, which is Episcopalian, rather than in a Roman Catholic Church, which appears to have been President Bartlett's religion. I imagine it's because Mrs. Landingham was Episcopalian. Thus, her memorial service would have been in an Episcopal church.
nybabyy1000 8 months ago
@amandawiss Right. The question I was answering was why the scene was shot in an Episcopal church.
nybabyy1000 8 months ago
@gclancy51@creedbalboa These points I acknowlage, I am mearly pointing out a HUGH hypocracy in the Catholic church!!
mrpointy123 10 months ago
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jimmyb227 11 months ago
God's response?
Charlie Sheen.
Informer3X 11 months ago 86
@Informer3X ROFLMAO
JohnZ622 10 months ago
@Informer3X Religious nutball lol. No such thing as God or Satan!
wrodjr 10 months ago
@wrodjr
Evidently, a sense of humor is rare these days.
Good day to you.
Informer3X 10 months ago
@Informer3X that's Martin Sheen's (president Bartlet) son...
PatrickFallonn 7 months ago
If Arron Sorkin & Martin Sheen wanted to insuld God in his own laungauge then why isnt he speeking Aramaic or Hebrew?? Latin wasnt the Language of Christ or God....
mrpointy123 11 months ago
@mrpointy123 That wasn't the point, Latin was the spoken word in Catholic church. Bartlett was in a Catholic Church and was raised Catholic, and knew Latin, I doubt the President would just learn Aramaic or Hebrew just for that occasion where he wants to get mad at God.
CreedBalboa 11 months ago 3
@CreedBalboa He wasn't in a Catholic Church. The National Cathedral is Episcopalian.
reluctanttheologian 10 months ago
@mrpointy123
It is however, the language of the Catholic church.
gclancy51 10 months ago
I wonder if God looks down upon us and thinks: "My children, all the evil and pain that you all experience is NOT my doing. I grieve as much as you do. But since I have given you all free will, you will experience evil and pain from others. Giving you free will, I can't protect you, otherwise it would not truly be free will. Living with Free will means living with evil and pain and suffering. Would you rather I protect you by taking away free will?"
LowCostVideo 11 months ago
@LowCostVideo I'm a mortal driving my little car along and I hit a pedestrian because I fail to hit the break, am I responsible for his death? It wasn't MY doing: if he wanted to screw himself over it wasn't my place to set him straight.
Likewise, if I'm a God commanding elements that obey me without question, is it MY fault Tokyo was in the way of my earthquake and Tsunami?
At the funeral of the pedestrian I hit: "all this evil and pain is NOT my doing."
Isaiah 55:8-9 hits the nail fosho.
PoliticCynic 10 months ago
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@PoliticCynic Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Are you calling God a liar?
ISavant 10 months ago
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Informer3X 10 months ago
@LowCostVideo Yes.
keeboz 9 months ago
@keeboz do you mean: "yes to God taking away your free will"?
LowCostVideo 9 months ago
thanks for the translation, my latin is pretty much forgotten. Its hard to beat a series like TWW, and I agree on the second season. But this is the best three minutes of drama I have ever seen in my life. God how I miss this show
fm263 11 months ago
sheen had a real problem doing this scene cuz his religion
cameron6241 11 months ago
Magnificant! Sheen is amazing. This is the best written and acted scene of the whole show.
TheDoctorwhogeek 1 year ago 2
@TheDoctorwhogeek *whistle*.... we really gotta get you watching more west wing!
PoliticCynic 10 months ago
God, I really wanted to slap Leo - he sounded so insincere in this scene it made me so mad. As for Martin Sheen.... magnificent. When I saw this episode, this scene gave me shivers. Incredible stuff.
fanguk2 1 year ago 2
@fanguk2 He's not a man being insincere. He's a man who's saying something, because there's no words good enough. I've been that guy before, and I know what it feels like. The words feel empty, but you feel like you have to say something, to let the person know that you empathize with, but cannot fully comprehend, their unfathomable loss.
LordStormdragon 5 months ago
Has there been a more beautifully written series, since? Seriously, it almost brings me to tears that someone can write this good.
ardman911 1 year ago 38
@ardman911
Or even write that well!
DJbruehl 8 months ago
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chrissline77 7 months ago
@ardman911 write this well.
harleyyquinzel 6 months ago 2
@harleyyquinzel YES!! Someone got it!!
ardman911 6 months ago
@ardman911
His personal secretary,she bought a new car and died ina drunk driver accident
MrAllad 6 months ago
@MrAllad I think you replied to the wrong person.
ardman911 6 months ago
@ardman911 Yes!
spahjrp 6 months ago
I thank the person that found and put not only the video but the translation up as well. My father was an enormous fan of the west wing and this episode was our favorite. I believe that is one of the most strong pieces and memorable parts from any television show. My dad is gone now and when I get mad for the lord taking him at just 52 I get angry at the lord. But that monologue is so realistic that I watch it then I can try to come to peace with him being gone. The lord is my savior but at one
potjnkye86 1 year ago 3
I was living in an Apartment in Penrith, a suburb at the foot of the Blue Mountains an hour west of Sydney, Australia. I was addicted to this series. I remember at the end of the screening of this episode there was a news flash telling us that the first Aircraft had hit the World Trade Centre. Where was Jed Bartlett when we needed him? It will be ten years this September.
hanscombe72 1 year ago 3
One of my favorite scenes from The West Wing.
gaaralicious828 1 year ago
God vs Bartlett.
My money's on Bartlett.
countryfan8 1 year ago 2
Please put a well written, beautifully acted and directed, and intelligent drama on broadcast TV again, If the cable companies can do it, the networks can. Or have the networks simply given up being anything but pandarers to the lowest level of human intelligence?
Kaalec 1 year ago 2
@Kaalec Studio 60 only lasted one season.
JoseJimeniz 8 months ago
Give Michelle Obama and Oprah a real intelligence report. One is a lawyer and the other needs to know.
pldtjason 1 year ago
PS: The West Wing - best 7 years of TV ever!
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
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Thank God for Martin Sheen.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
This scene just blows me away! As angry as Jed Bartlet is in this scene, you feel that his rage is really coming from a place of faith. (Can't talk to God like that if you don't believe in him in the first place, and if you don't believe he plays a role in how things in your life unfold.) Martin Sheen should have won an award for this!!!
purplerubbershoes 1 year ago 3
@purplerubbershoes He did - he won an Emmy for this episode.
LordStormdragon 5 months ago
was he speaking to the pink unicorn?
FUwogs 1 year ago
@FUwogs Is that what your mother calls her vibrator? You have an funny page on YouTube here. Full of hate towards 'dirty, stinky, taco-head, 'spics' Look moron. As bankrupt as the United States of America is, owing TRILLIONS of $'s already to China, with it's citizens even poorer than that. Were it not for the illegal workers of American, you couldn't even afford to buy an apple were it picked by a union worker. So until you know how things really work tough guy... go lick your mother (again).
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana Neither one of you has any idea how things really work. He's racebaiting and you're supporting the stealing of American jobs by people that have no intention of assimilating into American society. Union workers are owed a lot and instead of getting the respect the union worker deserves, the employer is looking to pinch pennies wherever he can and hires these people for pennies on the dollar instead of giving jobs to those who need them. Take both your flags and shove 'em.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand Sure, they should deport all illegal immigrants, unionize fruit pickers, and sell apples for $10 each. Or how about union workers keep getting raises until no one buys their cars and those 'penny-pinching' bosses close the company down for good. If YOUR was was right, YOUR way would be in effect. It is not, Thus YOU are wrong. The way it is is fact. The way you idealize if fiction. Deal with it... take YOUR idealism and shove that.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana Why don't you do some actual research on unions before you overgeneralize like you're doing now, shitbrick?
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand WHY pay an American $30,000 a year for phone tech-support when you can hire someone in India for $400 a YEAR + the price of the phone line? WHY?! Because you think they should?! I don't know what I'm talking about? Hey douche bag... Millionaire here before 40. You just keep running up your student loans and credit cards. Get that idealistic degree, and I'm just the guy to fire your mouthy, idealistic ass in the future. Keep talkin' dreamer boy. LOL!
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana YES! THEY SHOULD! I got no debt, pal.
Am I supposed to be impressed? Why would I want to work for you? Hell, if anything I should be running for office where I can punish people like you for the actions you take.
I think you'll find the majority of the American public would disagree with your logic.
Go ahead and stroke your little ego and play around with your mistress. Money obviously can't buy you a soul. Bitch.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand Because I have money, I have no soul? LOL... did you learn THAT in school, or does that jealous streak all your own... bitch? And to give your words more strength you're speaking for the American public now? Look jealous, poor, grunt... I've had family work for (and still working in) unions. I know all about them. Their need for them back when, and their abuse of power now. ALL for the Union leaders to live well, while their membership gets axed.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana My ass.
The sad thing is you think I hate you because of your money. Don't flatter yourself. And I don't know what I need to be jealous of...I'd rather be a working stiff than a colossal prick if that's the way you conduct yourself.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand ... sniffle... look jealous twat. The world won't set their standards on yours, so don't act like they will. You idealist, unaccomplished, shut-in. You're not important. You're a grunt. You're a whiny bitch. Hose the sand out of your vag. Princess. Go save America, Mr. Justice! Go run for office learn you'll have even less power than the common voter. Thx. again for the laugh, punk. LOL!
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana And you're so important? I'd love for you to come and make all these stupid assertions to my face...
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand Now internet threats punk? How important do you imagine you are that anyone would travel just to kick your welfare riding ass around your trailer park?
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana You keep right on assuming I live in a trailer park.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
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@fatmanfiftythousand Perhaps that's because you behave like you do.
Kaalec 8 months ago
@fatmanfiftythousand You'd rather be a working stiff. With your intellect, it's not like you will have a choice in the matter pleb. I wouldn't judge how others conduct themselves. You should take a good, long look at the loser in your mirror, Mr. Fingerpointer, blame all that's wrong in the world. But have neither the balls or brains to fix anything. Tell your whore of a mom she spawned a retard.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana Keep on digging your hole, buddy.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand And what 'hole' am I exactly digging? LOL! You're the biggest joke on here. I see all you do is bitch. But when someone disagrees with you Princess, you offer NO solutions. Just yap. That's all you'll accomplish in life punk... and that's yap. Clearly, your loser parents are carrying on their trend I see. You insignificant dreg. You are a waste of air, skin, water and food. ALL talk, NO solutions. How would YOU fix the economy genius? $20/hr. Union Fruit Pickers? LOLOLOL!!!
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
Keep right on talking, Internet tough guy.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand You should run for office. Because kickbacks are the only way to make it in a government job like that. Oh, you think you'll run, win and NOT be a puppet by your political supporters, Mr. Idealist? Shut the fuck up 'til you get out of your mommy's basement and learn about life outside of a book dipshit. You'll never be in a position to 'punish' people like me. You are a pimple on fly's ass. No more. Know it. Live it. Breathe it. You are but a simple plebeian.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@ColRangerFontana Eat shit.
fatmanfiftythousand 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand I'll bet daddy taught you how to do that after he came home drunk from bowling night, while your mom was still whoring outside the Legion to make rent on your trailer. lol... you are pathetic boy.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago
@fatmanfiftythousand As for the American public (you seem cares that you speak on their behalf, Mr. Self-Important (ie: insecure)) - I hope you don't mind that I take to heart the opinion of a society that owes China TRILLIONS of $'s do you? LOL! I'll bet redneck you wishes you could have voted Bush in for a 3rd. term were that allowed, to sink you further into the hole. LOL... suck it, loser! Ignorance isn't bliss, so stop hiding behind it, fool.
ColRangerFontana 1 year ago