You are free to believe whatever you choose to, it's guaranteed (ironically). I'm not worried about danger of punishment either. I have peace of mind. And yes, this is possible with the right combination of faith and belief. I believe in the Bible. I believe in a (Triune) God, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, along with Jesus, Son of the Most High and Living God. What else would I need; I lack for nothing. Whether you believe so, or not, is up to you, but it's worth it to find the Truth.
It is awesome in it's scope when viewed from a human perspective. It's a belief that is based on faith that is so outstanding that is beyond a mere label of just "a delusion" when backed up with personal testimony, the Bible, answered prayer, and a daily way of life, and living, knowing that God is ever present. If people are "far from God", there is a good reason for it. Is God in hell too, yes, of course He can be--He can be everywhere and anywhere. And yes, God is also near non-believers too.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) #4 People were using "GOD" as an invisible authority figure for thousands of years before the bible claims your God made us.
You can use faith to convince yourself whatever you want to believe is believable, but the fact is, IF there are real Creator(s) of this universe, and IF there is any kind of a judgment after death, and IF that judgment is based on whether we believe and support truth or lies...between you and I, I'm not the one in danger of punishment.
"Switches personalities"? God only has one. It has never changed, nor will it ever, as you have also stated: "That's funny, since the bible says God is perfect and never changes." God is the constant here, not us. We change,and in anticipation of that change, God is more than able, willing, and ready to interact with us on a personal level, today, tomorrow, and anytime in the future. That's what it means to be an all knowing, all powerful, all present God. It's awesome!
@dustymiller65 "That's what it means to be an all knowing, all powerful, all present God. It's awesome!"
It's not awesome, it's a delusion. If God is all present, why does the bible claim non-believers are "far from God"? Is God in hell too? The bible doesn't say either way, but "all-present" means he is. That's pretty messed up. God is in hell but not near non-believers?
And there's no such thing as "all-powerful." It's provably a false concept of delusion.
@TheHigherVoltage Sure, you may (and can most assuredly) say that it's a provably false concept of delusion but that's because you connect it to a delusion, and not to THE God. God is God. You lose sight of what it means to be that powerful. You assume. You use deductive reasoning. You use whatever means of HUMAN concepts you are used to, nevertheless, God remains outside of such a system of human reasoning, if He so wishes to. Just because you say something "is", doesn't necessarily make it so.
The only thing I'm assuming is that IF any real Creator(s) want me to know something, they do not need a book, or other people, or the willful delusion of faith to give me the message.
...you. To take one promise and break it is like taking one item of Bible prophecy and not see it ever happen--it's just false and wrong. If the Bible is God's word, then it should be perfect and whole. If it was written by a bunch of men, scholars, devotees, etc. ONLY, then it's truly human made and will fall apart quickly. Why? Because nothing perfect comes from humans. I believe this to be true; this is why I can at least rely on the Bible, and Jesus Christ; God follows easily from this.
@dustymiller65 "With God, all things are possible"...except showing themselves. Gods don't show themselves - even though every God, in every godcult, have stories of how they use to.
It's no coincidence every God, from every religion, are completely indistinguishable from each other and from children's imaginary friends.
Once again - I'm not claiming there is no Creator. I'm claiming - all godcults are fictional non-sense that when questioned, provably tell more lies than truth.
Faith allows one to believe in God. Belive in an afterlife. Believe in a reward, such as paradise. The catch is, you have to die first, rise up, face Judgement Day, etc. Until such a thing happens, people can only see up to the dying part (no one comes back). Faith also gives hope. All these things are cyclic and they "feed" upon themselves but having faith and believing is the key, everything else will follow.
Agnostic, I've always wondered about that. It's the end place, after Atheism.
Faith is the request of every con-artist and snake-oil salesmen to sell the entire spectrum of made-up bullshit and provable lies. Faith is provably not a virtue. As it is nothing more than people giving themselves license to lie to themselves.
If there is such thing as ultimate evil - it's faith.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) The only honest approach I can find at the moment is :
- there may be Creatorgod(s)
- there may be some from of reincarnation and/or afterlife.
That's it. That's all that's honest and truthful at this point. Anything, and everything else - from theists who have faith their wishful thinking is correct, to (hard) atheists who have faith their wishful thinking is correct, is nothing more than self-deception.
The provable fact is, lies require faith. Truth does not.
@dustymiller65 (CONT2) "Without faith, it is impossible to please God."
That's non-sense. No real, or truthful Creator(s) would require a blind leap of faith towards 1 of countless unprovable possibilities that con-men sell to fill in for what we do not know.
"Agnostic, I've always wondered about that. It's the end place, after Atheism."
Agnosticism is understanding that the "do you believing in god(s)" question is a false dichotomy that wishful thinkers/con-artists play to limit thinking.
@TheHigherVoltage The progression usually is: Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, and then back to Believer again. Agnosticism is the "end of the line", after that, it's back "home". You can only be an Atheist or Agnostic for so long, Eventually, when you think about it all, you've got nothing to lose by returning. Your name is in The Book of the Lamb, from when you were a Believer. It's still there, it doesn't go away because you've accepted Jesus Christ as a personal saviour and eternal life is yours
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "The progression usually is: Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, and then back to Believer again. " And where is the research to back this nonsensical claim?
"Eventually, when you think about it all, you've got nothing to lose by returning." - just intellectual honesty and the pursuit of real truth.
"Your name is in The Book of the Lamb, from when you were a Believer." - I don't believe in this non-sense, nor would I care to spend an eternity with biblegod the schizophrenic.
@TheHigherVoltage I believe you're just thinking a bit too hard. Sometimes, especially with the information at hand these days,you get pulled everywhere at once and it's hard to see the truth. Proof is always required now for someone to actually accept something as real and genuine and not a fraud, as you have always stated. But when it comes to religion, the nice part is that you don't have to have an empirical evidence proven approach--you just need to have faith and believe. That's all.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "But when it comes to religion, the nice part is that you don't have to have an empirical evidence proven approach--you just need to have faith and believe. That's all."
That's not the nice part, that's the scam. No honest, just or truthful God would declare "If you follow the wrong god you go to hell, and there's thousands to choose from. So pick one and come out fighting, kicking and screaming that you're right and everyone else is wrong."
@TheHigherVoltage You just spoke for God, as if, you knew him intimately. As if, you knew EXACTLY how he would pronounce judgement and sentencing on Judgement Day. Are you sure that "there's thousands to choose from"? You used the words "honest", "just", and "truthful" to describe God. What would be honest, just, and truthful about sending someone to Hell who was born before Jesus Christ came into the world to Save it? Yes, I'm turning the tables (argument) around so that you can 'see' it from..
@dustymiller65 ...'see' it from the 'third side'. Reason it out, if you can/dare, EXACTLY what God will do on Judgement Day. How can you 'preach' about what God will do? Only God knows. Careful, you're starting to sound like the "preachers" who sling the fraudulent dogma that you are warning me against. There is, for example, "institutional Christianity" and "practical Christianity". There is a world of difference between both. Reading the Bible, examining in detail, the life and words of...
@dustymiller65 ...and words of God's only son's life, you would see exactly what it means to be 'merciful' from a God of Mercy and Forgiveness. You would see what it really means to be a follower of a Just and Gracious God. There are things you can "assume" from reading, there are things you can "assume" will happen on Judegment Day, and ad infinitum~ What you really should realize and devote your attention to, is the promises made by God and Jesus. If you break even one, no one will follow you.
@dustymiller65 #2 There may be Creator(s), there may be some form of afterlife, there may be some form of judgement. However, I don't fear biblegod's judgement any more than I fear any of the other thousands of cultgod's judgements, simply because it's all provable bullshit.
#3 "What you really should realize and devote your attention to, is the promises made by God and Jesus.". I might as well devote my attention to the promises made by God and his son Horus. They were more believable.
@TheHigherVoltage You are free to follow any God(s). As a matter of fact, why not? Once you find out what garbage really is, you can set your sights on what is really true and begin to follow what is correct. That's what life is, discovery. However, sometimes, it's just handy to examine what's laid out for you to follow--it could just save you a lot of time...and your immortal soul. I've got no worries, I hope the same can be said by you. If that is so, then it's all good.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) I'm curious how you rationalize something. According to bible mythology, the first account of creation has birds made before Adam. In the second account (right afterwards in Genesis 2), the creation order is Adam then birds.
Honest people recognize this is an irreconcilable contradiction in which, by default of logic, at least one of these accounts is a lie.
I'm curious how you rationalize biblical irreconcilable contradictions and claim "it's perfect and true"?
@TheHigherVoltage Why is the order important? Is it pivotal to one's faith and belief in God? Should birds be made before man? Should man have been made before birds? Why does it matter to you? If one is a lie, the other is truth, yes? Is that what you are getting at? Which one is true? Which one is false? Again, I ask, how important it that? What if man, not God, made the mistake in translating from Latin to English? Is that God's fault? One is wrong; one is correct--it doesn't change faith.
@dustymiller65 "Why is the order important?" It's just one example the bible is not perfect, and in fact, has false information in it.
"If one is a lie, the other is truth, yes?" No. Because one is a lie doesn't mean the other is true - it just means at least one is a lie. Which is my point - the bible has lies in it.
"What if man, not God, made the mistake..." Then the bible is not perfect, and according to your earlier criteria, if it's not perfect it's not from any real God.
@TheHigherVoltage So, let me get this right. Because the order of creation in one Bible puts birds before men, and in another Bible, the order is reversed, thus, 1) the entire Bible is full of lies, 2) it's not perfect, and 3) therefore, it's not from any real God?
@dustymiller65 "thus, 1) the entire Bible is full of lies, 2) it's not perfect, and 3) therefore, it's not from any real God?"
All one irreconcilable contradiction proves is that your claim of "the bible is perfect and therefore comes from a god." to be a provably false statement. You claimed if it was written by men it would not be perfect. In the first 2 pages, I can prove it's not perfect.
But by no means is this why I'm an ex-Christian. My point just proves the bible is not perfect.
@TheHigherVoltage The Bible was written by men, inspired by God. The Bible was also copied by men. The Bible was also translated out of many languages, filtering all the down to at least the King James Version before expanding into the many editions today (e.g. New King James Version, New International Version, etc.) Copying errors and translation errors, caused by man (no perfect thing can be made by man) are acceptable. God is perfect, man is not. If there are errors, this does not detract fro
@dustymiller65 ...does not detract from it's main message. I consider the Bible to be perfect, the truth, and from God. If the Bible contains errors, this is from man, not God. My original belief in God, and statement of the Bible's perfection resulting from a perfect God, remains intact to me. If birds were created after man, it's considered wrong, a lie, an imperfection, etc. You know it, and I know it. You wish to point out more imperfections, lies, etc. go right ahead; it's all the sametome.
@dustymiller65 So even though you agree the bible is not perfect, you consider it perfect...because man was involved. And that's an acceptable excuse to you why a perfect, all-powerful god can't keep his words perfect. Ah the power of faith.
To an honest skeptic such as myself, it is evidence that either :
(1) biblegod cannot fix his words and therefore is not all-powerful.
(2) biblegod could fix his words, but doesn't care that his "truth" contains lies.
@TheHigherVoltage That's the thing you see. God's word is perfect in it's message; and the message is THE most powerful and outstanding thing that has not changed. You may print it in as many languages as possible and it's message is still intact. Through translations that are imprecise or close to the truth, the original message (from God) remains. It's unfortunate that man is not perfect, like God, but that's the nature of humans. They make good choices. They make bad choices. They do more...
@dustymiller65 ...They do more--hold on a second here. Let's do all this from your point of view. Let's look a the words and statements you pass off as "the truth". You're getting your own self in a muddle by what you 'believe'
" 1) biblegod cannot fix his words and is therefore not all powerful. " Seeing as what you consider to be a "weak" God, let's 'amp' it up! 1) As soon as biblegod sees someone writing one wrong letter, he/she gets 'zapped' painfully out of existence! Therefore...
@dustymiller65 ...Therefore, biblegod exists! " 2) biblegod could fix his words, but doesn't care that his "truth" contains lies. " Again, we apply the same rule as the new #1), 2) As soon as anyone publishes a biblegod's bible with incorrect facts, *BOOM!*, they disappear forever in a puff of white smoke. That solves the that problem too. As for " 3) biblegod doesn't exist " Tired of humans following the incorrect faith and having a severe lack of it (e.g. Atheists, etc.), biblegod makes any...
@dustymiller65 ...makes any...one ignorant enough to deny his existence, fall upon their knees for ten to twenty years, as punishment for saying such stupid things. I believe this would greatly satisfy any and all persons who have an unwavering doubt and belief in the existence of a God. And, you would be so happy, to be fearful, of such a petty but definitely real god. Yes?
@dustymiller65 (CONT) I went over your excuses again for why biblegod can't keep his words straight, and I'm still shaking my head. According to bible mythology, he's already a childish, petty lunatic we're suppose to be fearful of. Giving just one example in hundreds, biblegod sent bears to kill 41 kids for making fun of a bald priest. But now you're claiming...on wishful thinking alone...that he refuses to be a petty god when it comes to people changing his words.
@TheHigherVoltage My honesty is intact. I believe that the focus of your argument is with the entity you call "biblegod". One day, you will eventually meet Him. On that day, you may ask any and all of these questions, if you can. I'm sure you will be satisfied with all answers given to you. My belief and relationship with God is as solid as a fortress. It's solid like a rock. It's all based on my faith to believe. I see what happens when I pray and God answers. If you focus on the Old Testa--
@dustymiller65 No. I will not be meeting biblegod or Jesus or Ganeshu or Zeus when I die.
"My belief and relationship with God is as solid as a fortress. It's solid like a rock. It's all based on my faith to believe." Every believer of every religion is convinced on faith too. Your relationship with your God is exactly like a Zeusian's relationship with Zeus. Absolutely no difference, as they are both based on faith to believe.
@TheHigherVoltage (CON'T)...Old Testament God's fury and ire, you focus only on one aspect of God. When you focus on the atrocities committed in His name, you lose sight of who or what God really is/means. Like children, the rules and punishment seem harsh for us. When we mature, rules and punishments diminish and become different because we know better. Also, God changes as we change. The concept of divine grace and forgiveness appears in the New Testament with His son's birth and the Old...
@dustymiller65 (CON'T 2)...Old Testament (or contract) is no longer valid because of Jesus' unselfish sacrifice on the cross for us. We gain eternal salvation through a combination of divine grace and blessed compassion/love. When you focus on the past and what has passed, you cannot focus correctly on the present and, the greatest thing to come--the future and it's gifts. You've got to let go of your stubbornness, it will keep you from God. Don't fight with God, be quiet and focus on what...
@dustymiller65 (CON'T 3)...on what God may be trying to tell you. God is not a petty, mean, arrogant, unmerciful God. Sure, if you make Him angry (sin), He will definitely notice to that but you don't have to do that to get his attention. Praying helps a lot. Being patient and discerning the will of God is also necessary. God cannot be wrapped up and put in a box conveniently, after all, you referring to the creator of the universe, no matter what you may think or believe of Him. Because you...
@dustymiller65 " ...you focus only on one aspect of God." No, I consider the bible as a whole, in which the evolution of a hateful god, switches personalities to a loving god, then goes back to threats of torture and hate.
"Also, God changes as we change." That's funny, since the bible says God is perfect and never changes. Seems to me, the only thing that changes is believers as the rest of society forces them to get with the times.
@TheHigherVoltage Your nation is one under God; perhaps you don't realize how much influence the "biblegod" has had on your belief systems, that is, what you consider to be morally/ethically sound? If the concept of freedom, equality, justice, etc. were never read or preached about in the Bible, where would "you" get the idea of outlawing slavery from? Consider that carefully--the Bible is the most influential book for the Western Cannon of literature, not to mention Western civilization itself.
@dustymiller65 "If the concept of freedom, equality, justice, etc. were never read or preached about in the Bible, "
Those words are used in the bible, the concepts given in the bible are anything but the definitions of those words.
There is no justice in the condemning an entire race for the actions of one (original sin), nor is there any justice in scapegoating (claiming Jesus takes your punishment). These are not examples of justice. They are examples of a cult-con. (CONT)
@dustymiller65 (CONT) Our concepts of freedom, equality and justice come from the Magna Carta and the - still present - work of those who fought against Christian tyranny during the Age of Enlightenment.
"Your nation is one under God;" America didn't add that line until the Cold War - as a "stance against the godless commies". Look it up. Or easier still, look up "Porky Pig Pledge" and hear for yourself what America said before Christians used the threat of communism to change it.
@TheHigherVoltage "In God we trust", "...that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights...", "...the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?", "...Therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate.". Whether it is the Pledge of Allegiance, Courtroom Oath, Wedding Oath, or whatever, God is in the midst of it as the highest authority to make a solemn oath or vow before. God's influence is found everywhere; it's profound.
@dustymiller65 #1 If we were endowed with rights by our Creator, we wouldn't have had to fight a war to get them. If they were inalienable, the Patriot Act wouldn't exist.
#2 Swearing on the bible is hilarious! Jesus said never to swear on anything or make any oaths! Good old Christian hypocrisy!
#3 The marriage vow does not always include God. And seriously, "What God has joined, let no man separate"? What non-sense is that? Christians have the highest divorce rate in America!
@TheHigherVoltage Now you understand why America is in trouble today. The character of the nation, and it's people, were shaped by a firm belief in God. People's notions and ideas were all rooted in the same mores and ethics that were reflected in the belief and worship of the God of the Bible. The citizens stood in solidarity spiritually, which made for a secure nation. The statement, " a house divided against itself cannot stand", can also be applied to a fractured nation today.
@dustymiller65 America is in trouble today because of it's policies on banking, debt, war, education, and free trade.
To claim that Deists, Agnostics, Pantheists, Atheists, the dozen or so Christian sects, and the personal, unregistered beliefs of the rest of the population that collectively made up the American revolutionaries, "stood in solidarity spiritually", is absurd.
America is - right now - the most Christian of all first world nations...and it's the most fucked up. Coincidence?
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "...where would "you" get the idea of outlawing slavery from?" Fortunately, I didn't need to get the idea, secularists did years ago.
But by all means, support your claim that the bible speaks against slavery. I'd love to see it - especially considering Christians and Jews used the bible to justify slavery for at least 3100 years.
@TheHigherVoltage And God is the same today, as He was yesterday, and will be tomorrow. Yes, you know this to be correct and I agree with you. You will also know that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient, to say the least. Thus, He will accurately "change" (from our human perspective) to "accommodate" us human creations as we grow in faith and as a people of Christianity. As we evolve in religion, so will/has God. You are arguing semantics exactly and should know better, TheHigherVoltage.
@dustymiller65 Every point you made is based on faith in an unsubstantiated book of contradictions. No different than the conversation I'm having with a Hindu about the Vedas right now. And yet, neither of you can back up a thing you are saying. Both of you are claiming I should just "know" and have "faith" that each of your non-sense is true.
Tell me, why should I believe your unsubstantiated statements made on faith in a book, and not hers?
@TheHigherVoltage (CON'T 4)...Because you know of the Bible, you can also select which parts and verses showcase God's compassion, grace, mercy, and forgiveness. You know in your heart that there is also a side to God which allows you to have a personal relationship with Him. Which aspects you choose to focus on is up to you but, don't imbalance it all just for the sake of concentrating on what is appropriate or convenient for you--it will blind you to God's purpose (for your life). You know it.
@dustymiller65 "God's word is perfect in it's message; and the message is THE most powerful and outstanding thing that has not changed."
No different than how the story of Zeus was perfect to his believers.
"Through translations that are imprecise or close to the truth, the original message (from God) remains."
If any real Creator(s) want to give us a message, they don't need scribblings in a book. Con artists and people who want to play God(s) need scribblings in a book.
@dustymiller65 I wrote "No honest, just or truthful God would declare "If you follow the wrong god you go to hell." - which eliminates biblegod as honest, just or truthful.
"What would be honest, just, and truthful about sending someone to Hell who was born before Jesus Christ came into the world to Save it?" #1 If "Jesus wanted to save us", he'd just show up and say "hi", like his fables claimed he did. Yet he remains as imaginary as the tooth fairy.
@TheHigherVoltage (I missed this one.) If you can prove Jesus Christ DID NOT EXIST, all of Christianity, the religion that it is, falls apart. No God exists, end of story. As a matter of fact, Jesus the Christ is the main, profound, blaring, everlasting Light that allows man to be connected to God's divine grace, through the unique route of (Eternal) Salvation. To prove that Jesus Christ is a myth, would make you right about godcults, frauds, etc. directly to Christianity and all it stands for.
@dustymiller65 "If you can prove Jesus Christ DID NOT EXIST, all of Christianity, the religion that it is, falls apart." Yep. That's one way to prove Christianity just another man-made godcult...fortunately for thinking people, it's not the only way.
"No God exists, end of story." Not at all. Christianity, being man-made, does not answer whether or not real Creator(s) exist. - No different than when we figured out Zeus was bullshit.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "To prove that Jesus Christ is a myth, would make you right about godcults, frauds, etc. directly to Christianity and all it stands for."
Strangely, you should already agree (on faith, likely not research) that all other theistic religions, except yours, are godcults/frauds. And chances are you'd also agree (based on the usual Christian sect dogma), that most Christians, except those in your sect, are likely "not true Christians" - ie. frauds/false prophets/fake godcults
@TheHigherVoltage That's non-sense? No real or truthful...etc. God does. God is THE creator. It may be hard for you to comprehend the exact opposite of what you are saying but then again, it's God we're talking about here, not god, or gods, or whatever. Many people belive this and put their faith in it and have faith in it. Millions of people. Until something happens that can disprove it all, nothing will change. Not even people saying the oppositie. Saying such stuff is just "not sensible".
@dustymiller65 "God is THE creator." - every theist of every religion claims their version of God is a real God, and our real Creator.
"It may be hard for you to comprehend the exact opposite of what you are saying..." It's not hard for me to comprehend your position at all. It's no different than all theists who claim it's their God or nothing.
"Many people belive this and put their faith in it and have faith in it. " Once again - no different than the other millions of religions.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "Until something happens that can disprove it all, nothing will change." - is more non-sense. eg. Most religions of our ancestors were declared mythology, and replaced with newer religions through conquest or political decree. Christianity was, and is, no different.
Claiming your God is the God - is non-sense spewed from the intellectual dishonesty of faith shared by all theists of every theistic religion...ever.
@TheHigherVoltage Well I'm not really worried about anything you say. Faith and belief are enough to sustain an idividual. If you lose one, you will surely lose the other. And, if you can find one, you will most likely find the other. Perhaps it's only a matter of time for you, TheHigherVoltage? You may think on this for as long as you like, and in as complex a depth as you wish. Your only limits are the length of your life and IF you've decided to simply follow again.Perhaps you just need time.
@dustymiller65 "Faith and belief are enough to sustain an idividual. If you lose one, you will surely lose the other." I agree. I also recognize that 'faith' is the prerequisite for all cults and cons of every flavor...and I have no desire to fall for or live my life believing bullshit.
"Perhaps it's only a matter of time for you, TheHigherVoltage?" It doesn't matter how long I live, I don't believe in anything that requires the self-deception of faith, nor will I again.
@TheHigherVoltage It looks like you're at a beginning again. And you have a journey of discovery ahead of you. I wish you well in all your future endeavors. I believe it will bring you back home...all you need, is the faith. >:o)
@TheHigherVoltage "Scared"? No. "Weak?" No. "Broken?" No. "Dishonest with yourself?" No. Ignorant? No. Arrogant? No. Angry? No. Confused? No. Disillusioned? No. Lost? No. Depressed? No. In despair? No. Crazy? No. Jesting? No. Uncertain? Nope. Tired? Not at all. Ready to quit? Never. Always listening for the Divine? Yes. Always seeking evidence of God's hand in things? Always. Waiting to see what happens after Death? You bet. Destined for Heaven? Most assuredly. This is the Meaning Of Life.
@dustymiller65 "Always seeking evidence of God's hand in things? Always. Destined for Heaven? Most assuredly."
That's the difference between an honest thinker and a believer. A skeptic seeks evidence for the truth - whatever it is...whereas a believer seeks evidence to support preconceived beliefs.
"This is the Meaning Of Life."
If the meaning of life is justifying beliefs held on faith, and not seeking the truth no matter what it is, you nailed it.
"You belong to a religion...that requires faith." Until you pointed it out, I assumed you were an Atheist. Sorry about that; all that stuff doesn't apply to you then.
Faith is believing in something that you can't see (God). Faith is required to follow something which seems odd or out of place, but nevertheless, you believe in whatever it is (Christian principles, doctrines, etc.) Belief allows you to have faith. Faith allows you to believe. "Without faith, it is impossible to please God."
The girl with the heavy suitcase represents us, the common, everyday human. The bricks represent the 'baggage' we carry around with us daily. Lonliness, fear, shame, etc. Becoming Christian is a life changing experience for the better. All such things are taken away and given to God to take care of. Christians trust in the Lord completely-it's not an easy thing to do at first but it eventually teaches us not to depend solely on our own wisdom. Accepting Jesus Christ as savior is the first step.
@TheHigherVoltage Religion has been around for thousands of years and it will be around as long as there are humans left alive. What you need to do is, find the correct one that has a Living God, not a dead one. There are so many false ones out there with more cropping up everyday. IF you explore them all, you'll find out that they are all frauds and that Christianity is the right one. Utimately, it's your choice in what you choose to believe in, if at all. Don't delay, life is not that long.
@dustymiller65 Every religion claims their god(s) are real and alive, while all others are dead and fake. It's the common theme of all theistic religions- "we're not the ones not lying - everyone else is!"
Personally, I questioned my Christian faith, figured out it's just a another man-made cult of delusion, and started being honest with myself years ago.
You're right. Life's to short to waste it on frauds.
@TheHigherVoltage You sound pretty sure of it all? Christianity is just a fraud? And how did you come to this revelation? People have spent their entire lives, living it, dedicated to God. How could they not see this? Was Mother Teresa wrong in doing what she did in Calcutta for all those decades for the poor, destitute, and sick? Is it wrong for other Christians to help those who are in need, everyday for the rest of their lives? Sponsor and feed starving children, build orphanages andschools?
@dustymiller65 Christianity is a fraud. Yahweh is no more a real Creator than Allah, Zeus, Ptah, AmenRa, or any of the other millions of Creatorgods theistic religions claim are responsible for our existence. It's strange that you'd postulate "People have spent their entire lives, living it, dedicated to God. How could they not see this?", being fully aware there are billions of living and dead believers of other religions, who dedicated their lives to their God.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) Mother Theresa was twisted. She was a pre-Vatican II believer convinced the more one suffers, the closer they are to her imaginary friend. She refused to give any pain killers or any tangible comforts to dying people. Her only goal was to keep people alive and in pain as long as possible - once again, because she was convinced that makes them better souls. Arguable, to normal caring people, she was a sadist convinced she was saving souls through prolonged suffering.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "Is it wrong for other Christians to help those who are in need, everyday for the rest of their lives?"
Yes. Even the bible is against this. "Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself for a lifetime." Real humanitarian aid works to make people self sufficient - most Christian humanitarian aid works to gives barely enough food for starving people to survive while the CEOs and board members collect huge salaries.
@dustymiller65 (CONT) And let's be clear - Christianity is not the sole source of aid work. Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and in fact, every belief and non-belief system I've ever come across - all donate to, and run a variety of charities and humanitarian ventures. So do many Atheists. Go figure.
Your questioning/logic is not evidence - it's apologetics that only sounds believable within the confines of intellectual dishonesty.
@TheHigherVoltage Now,Atheism is exactly like a religion. It requires belief, just like Christianity. Blind belief, I might add, just like the faith of Christianity. You have simply traded one religion for another, only this time it has no God, as you purport. In the same way you label my questioning/logic about God, I too can apply this to your belief in the non existence of one. You belong to a religion, albeit a minor one and I belong to a major one. What has changed,aside from your apostasy?
@TheHigherVoltage In response to #1), what in particular would you like me to answer? We've said many things, back and forth. If you start with the insults, you'll have to get used to getting insulted back. All my points are valid. Everything I've said is valid. In response to #2), I've just explained it for you in my last answer. Don't go round and round, be specific, it will make you less angry. In response to #3), okay, you're not an Atheist.
@dustymiller65 "You belong to a religion...that requires faith."
No, I don't. I'm an old school Agnostic who knows faith is for people who choose to believe 1+1 = whatever they want it to be.
I don't know if there's god(s) or not. That's it. And it's not a religion. Nor does it take faith to be honest with oneself - it takes faith to lie to oneself.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
oh? god forgives?!?! I wonder if god's forgiveness also applies to Adam and Eve, non-believers, gays, teenage masturbators, divorced couples, unbaptized children, or unruly children.
oh, thats right he cant just forgive, he has to make a loophole where he sacrifices himself to himself, to bypass a rule that he created in order to forgive people to act the way he supposedly created them to act. ridiculous...
if people weren't weighed down by belief in "god" they wouldn't have to struggle to be free of their chains in the first place. people would be as free and happy individuals to begin with if their minds weren't poisoned early on while their brains are still developing.
@calpoop the bible says it is the word of God almighty Himself! believe me my friend the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, repent, come closer to God in your life and be with Him daily will be the moment you change your life forever in the most amazibg wayr Im living proof (ex egnostic ) :) God Bless
I am sorry it's not God's place to forgive. Say ur kid comes to u the father & tells u that he broke Tommy's Toy & to forgive him. Should u do that? How is that good parenting? No, u take him to Tommy's house, make him apologise to Tommy & his parents, then take Tommy to a toystore & buy him a new toy out of ur Kids allowance. Does that mean u are a bad parent because u are not doing what God is doing?
Just a primitive religion using easy lures to gain converts. Do the right thing, guys.
This video made no sense but in response to a few posts here that are pro-religion I just want to say that yes I do agree, Atheist activisits seem to have taken over Youtube and are trying to silence dissent and religious thinking.
If you reject the idea of Gods Rule, Then Practice What you Preach And Stop Trying to Be a Godly Figurehead to those that do. You don't want anyone trying to rule your life? You control your own destiny and don't need Him? That's fine and is between you and Jesus on Judgment day, but don't bash on anyone else who actually believes in a higher purpose in life.. rather than just sitting at home on the computer being an antagonist.
In all honesty, God does not = Religion, Mans attempt at Putting Christ within a category does. Anyone who shares something from their hearts would instantly declare their feelings if one were to come along and disrespect them. (Including you all posting the negativity). If this "Cult Harboring" "Hysterical" Religion was so wrong, why even bother visiting this video anyway?
and really, who in their right minds believe that the first human being was created from dirt? or a woman being made from his torn out rib? It's truly histerical when you actually stop to think about it, and I love it when people say, "oh there's just something about the gospel of Jesus Christ. completely undermining the fact that if they were born under a different cultural God they would be believing in someone like ALLAH, or KHRISTINA.
people are so easily persuaded into believing in an almighty invisible man in the sky which is so bloodthirsty-- oops I mean, so "loving, and forgiving" that he sends himself to earth to sacrifice himself, to apease himself in order to forgive the creatures that he himself created, (which wasn't even a true sacrifice when you think about it, "Jesus" according to christians isn't dead, so if he's not dead, then that means God sacrificed nothing.)
people will try, just have forgiveness for all sis, one day when all heck happens in there life they will cry out, or blame him for it not understanding, if you want to blame him go ahead but I can help you out of what ever you are going thru.
God forgives us for what? What he has set us up to do? For the way we are born? And on what conditions? torture and bloodshed? If he really loved us and is forgiving and all...whats with jesus being tortured? And whats with Hell? Forgiving, Yeah right.
Seems a lot of you are getting s little upset about something you don't even believe in. Why come to this thread , just to insult? Why does something you don't believe in move you to make such mean comments? This person made a vid, a great vid, not pushy, just a message that some might wanna hear, messages are all around us, if this one is not to your liking, move along..
Youtube is full of thousands of videos. To all that feel the need to post a negative comment, remember: Feel free because you have the right to speak your mind! But remember also that if you made it here, then you yourself most likely looked up the title "God". I pray that "God" reveals himself to you in more than just this video within your search! I am no better than you, just a fellow Believer in Christ willing to talk. Hit me up, if you feel the need to. All in Love!
@alegre21 It's called comic relief. Thats why us evolutionists come here. Whenever I'm feeling flat I check out these delusional sites... they make me laugh, sometimes its sad (I cant believe that people who believe in Yahweh really do believe in it) In fact.... the more I look at these sites the less I laugh and the more saddened I am that children are so indoctrinated and some adults so lost that they would turn to a world of fantasy and abdication as oppossed to reason and life, yes very sad
@nzer48 1 Corinthians 1:18 (New International Version)
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Its not fantasy, if you were to study your bible you would see that Jesus Christ is truly the resurrected Son of the Living God, however it does not seem as though you are interested in that, and it may appear "foolish" to you, however not to us that believe and see POWER
@alegre21 If God loved us he wouldnt have created a torture chamber for when we dont "love" him. This is some sort of sick joke hes playing on us [if he exists]. He creates us with faults then punishes us for it. What a loving god HE is!!
@alegre21 Actually, I came here because this video showed up automatically next to a video fro NonStampCollector, called "How amazing is God's Forgiveness? Not very."
I see in the side-bar now that another video by the same author has appeared. I take this as a sign that I should watch more NonStampCollector-videos.
When I die and I do indeed meet god. I will crush him with my will I'll make his head explode like a hotdog in a microwave! Then there will be an afterlife worth living. I refuse to bow to any man or god, to do so would cause too much shame for me to bear. I must be equal to all men or I have no worth. This will apply to my soul as well if I have one. If this changes I would cease to be me, and it would not be I in heaven or hell, but a doppleganger. I refuse the idea of things greater than I.
I just wanted to comment on what you send...If I may. You say you must be equal to all men or have no worth and I agree, we need to work hard and show ourselves approved. It even says so in the Bible, LOL! But we need to also be realistic and believe that even WE didn't create ourselves and THAT alone proves that there is a higher power. All in love my friend, I ain't here to blast you. You sound like a man driven by passion & creativity (Hence the microwave.) Im always down to talk.
As I understand it I created myself from materials on the walls of my mothers uterus. Not me as in the thinking and creative part, but the collection of cells containing my DNA that ultimately built upon themselves until I was the result.
@alegre21 the fact that the bible says it means nothing. fuck the dessert book. don't even mention what the crap paper says because we all think it's a joke and it means nothing to us.
@alegre21 Please take me seriously I don't mean to cause any offense. My emotional self really wants to attach to the idea of a God or higher being out there that will watch out for me. However, rationally I really think that most things that are said about him are made up. There may be a God out there who created us all, maybe all the way back to the big bang. However, the Bible was written by various mortal men all from Earth. It was probably made just as a way to discipline people.
So....Are you waiting for an answer to Religion? Because if you just research it...it's there. I can probably bible tump you till you drop, but I can see that's not what you need. You sound like you need facts. I challenge you to further research it list the truth vs. the false...then decide. I'm positive that if you truly apply yourself, God will reveal Himself to you. Your call, dude. Your call.
It's amazing how much power we give to our make believe deities. It can be as simple as self forgiveness, or hearing those same words from someone you have wronged. Lets see what god has to say about this...Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting.
That god sure is a shy one, I can't wait to hear his thoughts on religion...Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting...
Though I do not have an answer to the question of the origin of the world, it does not mean that your god, or any god or gods is the only answer.
I do not know the maiden-name of my great grandmother, but I am quite certain the answer is not god.
I don't know how many whales are left in the Ocean, but I do know that "god" is not the answer to that either. 100 years ago people thought 'god' made it rain, but now we know about the hydrological cycle. Good thing we kept searching for the truth.
Look man, my purpose was not to insult your intellegince...I apologize if it cam across in that manner. What I'm trying to say is that science proves the existance of God (One God...not many and he's your God too not just mine...even if you don't believe in Him, he still accepts you for who you are...but let me stop Bible Tumping and get back on topic) Ok, so we found out the scientific reason for rain but ask yourself "How does this pattern sustain itself?" If your really willing to research
God and forgiveness shouldn't be used in the same sentence. God sends non- believers to hell, out of pure pride and arrogance. His moral compass is sickening, and if he does exist, I refuse to worship him.
Nah, god doesn't do that. Its just an allegory for the way things are. God doesn't exist, but if he does, I refuse to worship him too. Although I will pay attention to the wisdom of our anscestors, and that's really all that the bible is. That's really who god is. And god doesn't have the power to punish us. God has the understanding that we are all punishing ourselves.
This is very creative. Not based in logic or reason, but fantasy....and victimization. The person who filmed it could get some money for hi/her creative design.
Standard cult approach: tell people they are worthless crap without god. Then tell them they will be perfected with god. Religion is a fairytale and its practice is a cult.
If Christianity or other religion fails you. Try Kayakism. A new philosophy by a kayakers perspective on life....myself !!!! " Out on a flat glassy lake in the morning glare is a close to a heaven as it gets. As your oar dips into the glass, and the boat propells itself forward, you are in complete control of your days destiny with each stroke. power consumes you and you strive for your destination. No holds barred. Just you, your boat and what you take with you. " Try Kayakism and live.
Actually, the way the video was going, I expected this girl, in the end, to experience the freedom that comes from getting rid of the ludicrous constrictions imposed by religious belief that had been filling up her suitcase. I mean...that's what DID happen but the conclusion was, somehow, like it was god's forgiveness. Very strange.
Why such low reviews?
Blessed4infinity 1 week ago
It's only a matter of time...
...before you return, my friend.
Use it wisely.
Peace.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
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@dustymiller65 "It's only a matter of time...before you return, my friend."
You really are delusional. :/
Peace
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
You are free to believe whatever you choose to, it's guaranteed (ironically). I'm not worried about danger of punishment either. I have peace of mind. And yes, this is possible with the right combination of faith and belief. I believe in the Bible. I believe in a (Triune) God, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient, along with Jesus, Son of the Most High and Living God. What else would I need; I lack for nothing. Whether you believe so, or not, is up to you, but it's worth it to find the Truth.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "but it's worth it to find the Truth." I agree. Which is why I left the Christian cult.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
It is awesome in it's scope when viewed from a human perspective. It's a belief that is based on faith that is so outstanding that is beyond a mere label of just "a delusion" when backed up with personal testimony, the Bible, answered prayer, and a daily way of life, and living, knowing that God is ever present. If people are "far from God", there is a good reason for it. Is God in hell too, yes, of course He can be--He can be everywhere and anywhere. And yes, God is also near non-believers too.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) #4 People were using "GOD" as an invisible authority figure for thousands of years before the bible claims your God made us.
You can use faith to convince yourself whatever you want to believe is believable, but the fact is, IF there are real Creator(s) of this universe, and IF there is any kind of a judgment after death, and IF that judgment is based on whether we believe and support truth or lies...between you and I, I'm not the one in danger of punishment.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
"Switches personalities"? God only has one. It has never changed, nor will it ever, as you have also stated: "That's funny, since the bible says God is perfect and never changes." God is the constant here, not us. We change,and in anticipation of that change, God is more than able, willing, and ready to interact with us on a personal level, today, tomorrow, and anytime in the future. That's what it means to be an all knowing, all powerful, all present God. It's awesome!
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "That's what it means to be an all knowing, all powerful, all present God. It's awesome!"
It's not awesome, it's a delusion. If God is all present, why does the bible claim non-believers are "far from God"? Is God in hell too? The bible doesn't say either way, but "all-present" means he is. That's pretty messed up. God is in hell but not near non-believers?
And there's no such thing as "all-powerful." It's provably a false concept of delusion.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Sure, you may (and can most assuredly) say that it's a provably false concept of delusion but that's because you connect it to a delusion, and not to THE God. God is God. You lose sight of what it means to be that powerful. You assume. You use deductive reasoning. You use whatever means of HUMAN concepts you are used to, nevertheless, God remains outside of such a system of human reasoning, if He so wishes to. Just because you say something "is", doesn't necessarily make it so.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "You assume".
The only thing I'm assuming is that IF any real Creator(s) want me to know something, they do not need a book, or other people, or the willful delusion of faith to give me the message.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
...you. To take one promise and break it is like taking one item of Bible prophecy and not see it ever happen--it's just false and wrong. If the Bible is God's word, then it should be perfect and whole. If it was written by a bunch of men, scholars, devotees, etc. ONLY, then it's truly human made and will fall apart quickly. Why? Because nothing perfect comes from humans. I believe this to be true; this is why I can at least rely on the Bible, and Jesus Christ; God follows easily from this.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 Really. So you believe the bible to be perfect and true....
Tell me, which part was more believable - the talking donkey or the magic hair?
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Simple. Both. Why, you ask? You probably know why, too. Because...."With God, all things are possible."
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "With God, all things are possible"...except showing themselves. Gods don't show themselves - even though every God, in every godcult, have stories of how they use to.
It's no coincidence every God, from every religion, are completely indistinguishable from each other and from children's imaginary friends.
Once again - I'm not claiming there is no Creator. I'm claiming - all godcults are fictional non-sense that when questioned, provably tell more lies than truth.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
Faith allows one to believe in God. Belive in an afterlife. Believe in a reward, such as paradise. The catch is, you have to die first, rise up, face Judgement Day, etc. Until such a thing happens, people can only see up to the dying part (no one comes back). Faith also gives hope. All these things are cyclic and they "feed" upon themselves but having faith and believing is the key, everything else will follow.
Agnostic, I've always wondered about that. It's the end place, after Atheism.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 "Faith allows one to believe in God."
Faith is the request of every con-artist and snake-oil salesmen to sell the entire spectrum of made-up bullshit and provable lies. Faith is provably not a virtue. As it is nothing more than people giving themselves license to lie to themselves.
If there is such thing as ultimate evil - it's faith.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) The only honest approach I can find at the moment is :
- there may be Creatorgod(s)
- there may be some from of reincarnation and/or afterlife.
That's it. That's all that's honest and truthful at this point. Anything, and everything else - from theists who have faith their wishful thinking is correct, to (hard) atheists who have faith their wishful thinking is correct, is nothing more than self-deception.
The provable fact is, lies require faith. Truth does not.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT2) "Without faith, it is impossible to please God."
That's non-sense. No real, or truthful Creator(s) would require a blind leap of faith towards 1 of countless unprovable possibilities that con-men sell to fill in for what we do not know.
"Agnostic, I've always wondered about that. It's the end place, after Atheism."
Agnosticism is understanding that the "do you believing in god(s)" question is a false dichotomy that wishful thinkers/con-artists play to limit thinking.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage The progression usually is: Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, and then back to Believer again. Agnosticism is the "end of the line", after that, it's back "home". You can only be an Atheist or Agnostic for so long, Eventually, when you think about it all, you've got nothing to lose by returning. Your name is in The Book of the Lamb, from when you were a Believer. It's still there, it doesn't go away because you've accepted Jesus Christ as a personal saviour and eternal life is yours
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "The progression usually is: Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, and then back to Believer again. " And where is the research to back this nonsensical claim?
"Eventually, when you think about it all, you've got nothing to lose by returning." - just intellectual honesty and the pursuit of real truth.
"Your name is in The Book of the Lamb, from when you were a Believer." - I don't believe in this non-sense, nor would I care to spend an eternity with biblegod the schizophrenic.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage I believe you're just thinking a bit too hard. Sometimes, especially with the information at hand these days,you get pulled everywhere at once and it's hard to see the truth. Proof is always required now for someone to actually accept something as real and genuine and not a fraud, as you have always stated. But when it comes to religion, the nice part is that you don't have to have an empirical evidence proven approach--you just need to have faith and believe. That's all.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "But when it comes to religion, the nice part is that you don't have to have an empirical evidence proven approach--you just need to have faith and believe. That's all."
That's not the nice part, that's the scam. No honest, just or truthful God would declare "If you follow the wrong god you go to hell, and there's thousands to choose from. So pick one and come out fighting, kicking and screaming that you're right and everyone else is wrong."
That's evil playing good.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage You just spoke for God, as if, you knew him intimately. As if, you knew EXACTLY how he would pronounce judgement and sentencing on Judgement Day. Are you sure that "there's thousands to choose from"? You used the words "honest", "just", and "truthful" to describe God. What would be honest, just, and truthful about sending someone to Hell who was born before Jesus Christ came into the world to Save it? Yes, I'm turning the tables (argument) around so that you can 'see' it from..
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...'see' it from the 'third side'. Reason it out, if you can/dare, EXACTLY what God will do on Judgement Day. How can you 'preach' about what God will do? Only God knows. Careful, you're starting to sound like the "preachers" who sling the fraudulent dogma that you are warning me against. There is, for example, "institutional Christianity" and "practical Christianity". There is a world of difference between both. Reading the Bible, examining in detail, the life and words of...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...and words of God's only son's life, you would see exactly what it means to be 'merciful' from a God of Mercy and Forgiveness. You would see what it really means to be a follower of a Just and Gracious God. There are things you can "assume" from reading, there are things you can "assume" will happen on Judegment Day, and ad infinitum~ What you really should realize and devote your attention to, is the promises made by God and Jesus. If you break even one, no one will follow you.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 #2 There may be Creator(s), there may be some form of afterlife, there may be some form of judgement. However, I don't fear biblegod's judgement any more than I fear any of the other thousands of cultgod's judgements, simply because it's all provable bullshit.
#3 "What you really should realize and devote your attention to, is the promises made by God and Jesus.". I might as well devote my attention to the promises made by God and his son Horus. They were more believable.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage You are free to follow any God(s). As a matter of fact, why not? Once you find out what garbage really is, you can set your sights on what is really true and begin to follow what is correct. That's what life is, discovery. However, sometimes, it's just handy to examine what's laid out for you to follow--it could just save you a lot of time...and your immortal soul. I've got no worries, I hope the same can be said by you. If that is so, then it's all good.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) I'm curious how you rationalize something. According to bible mythology, the first account of creation has birds made before Adam. In the second account (right afterwards in Genesis 2), the creation order is Adam then birds.
Honest people recognize this is an irreconcilable contradiction in which, by default of logic, at least one of these accounts is a lie.
I'm curious how you rationalize biblical irreconcilable contradictions and claim "it's perfect and true"?
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Why is the order important? Is it pivotal to one's faith and belief in God? Should birds be made before man? Should man have been made before birds? Why does it matter to you? If one is a lie, the other is truth, yes? Is that what you are getting at? Which one is true? Which one is false? Again, I ask, how important it that? What if man, not God, made the mistake in translating from Latin to English? Is that God's fault? One is wrong; one is correct--it doesn't change faith.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "Why is the order important?" It's just one example the bible is not perfect, and in fact, has false information in it.
"If one is a lie, the other is truth, yes?" No. Because one is a lie doesn't mean the other is true - it just means at least one is a lie. Which is my point - the bible has lies in it.
"What if man, not God, made the mistake..." Then the bible is not perfect, and according to your earlier criteria, if it's not perfect it's not from any real God.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage So, let me get this right. Because the order of creation in one Bible puts birds before men, and in another Bible, the order is reversed, thus, 1) the entire Bible is full of lies, 2) it's not perfect, and 3) therefore, it's not from any real God?
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "thus, 1) the entire Bible is full of lies, 2) it's not perfect, and 3) therefore, it's not from any real God?"
All one irreconcilable contradiction proves is that your claim of "the bible is perfect and therefore comes from a god." to be a provably false statement. You claimed if it was written by men it would not be perfect. In the first 2 pages, I can prove it's not perfect.
But by no means is this why I'm an ex-Christian. My point just proves the bible is not perfect.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage The Bible was written by men, inspired by God. The Bible was also copied by men. The Bible was also translated out of many languages, filtering all the down to at least the King James Version before expanding into the many editions today (e.g. New King James Version, New International Version, etc.) Copying errors and translation errors, caused by man (no perfect thing can be made by man) are acceptable. God is perfect, man is not. If there are errors, this does not detract fro
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...does not detract from it's main message. I consider the Bible to be perfect, the truth, and from God. If the Bible contains errors, this is from man, not God. My original belief in God, and statement of the Bible's perfection resulting from a perfect God, remains intact to me. If birds were created after man, it's considered wrong, a lie, an imperfection, etc. You know it, and I know it. You wish to point out more imperfections, lies, etc. go right ahead; it's all the sametome.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 So even though you agree the bible is not perfect, you consider it perfect...because man was involved. And that's an acceptable excuse to you why a perfect, all-powerful god can't keep his words perfect. Ah the power of faith.
To an honest skeptic such as myself, it is evidence that either :
(1) biblegod cannot fix his words and therefore is not all-powerful.
(2) biblegod could fix his words, but doesn't care that his "truth" contains lies.
(3) biblegod doesn't exist.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage That's the thing you see. God's word is perfect in it's message; and the message is THE most powerful and outstanding thing that has not changed. You may print it in as many languages as possible and it's message is still intact. Through translations that are imprecise or close to the truth, the original message (from God) remains. It's unfortunate that man is not perfect, like God, but that's the nature of humans. They make good choices. They make bad choices. They do more...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...They do more--hold on a second here. Let's do all this from your point of view. Let's look a the words and statements you pass off as "the truth". You're getting your own self in a muddle by what you 'believe'
" 1) biblegod cannot fix his words and is therefore not all powerful. " Seeing as what you consider to be a "weak" God, let's 'amp' it up! 1) As soon as biblegod sees someone writing one wrong letter, he/she gets 'zapped' painfully out of existence! Therefore...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...Therefore, biblegod exists! " 2) biblegod could fix his words, but doesn't care that his "truth" contains lies. " Again, we apply the same rule as the new #1), 2) As soon as anyone publishes a biblegod's bible with incorrect facts, *BOOM!*, they disappear forever in a puff of white smoke. That solves the that problem too. As for " 3) biblegod doesn't exist " Tired of humans following the incorrect faith and having a severe lack of it (e.g. Atheists, etc.), biblegod makes any...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 ...makes any...one ignorant enough to deny his existence, fall upon their knees for ten to twenty years, as punishment for saying such stupid things. I believe this would greatly satisfy any and all persons who have an unwavering doubt and belief in the existence of a God. And, you would be so happy, to be fearful, of such a petty but definitely real god. Yes?
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) I went over your excuses again for why biblegod can't keep his words straight, and I'm still shaking my head. According to bible mythology, he's already a childish, petty lunatic we're suppose to be fearful of. Giving just one example in hundreds, biblegod sent bears to kill 41 kids for making fun of a bald priest. But now you're claiming...on wishful thinking alone...that he refuses to be a petty god when it comes to people changing his words.
Where's your honesty?
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage My honesty is intact. I believe that the focus of your argument is with the entity you call "biblegod". One day, you will eventually meet Him. On that day, you may ask any and all of these questions, if you can. I'm sure you will be satisfied with all answers given to you. My belief and relationship with God is as solid as a fortress. It's solid like a rock. It's all based on my faith to believe. I see what happens when I pray and God answers. If you focus on the Old Testa--
dustymiller65 6 months ago
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@dustymiller65 No. I will not be meeting biblegod or Jesus or Ganeshu or Zeus when I die.
"My belief and relationship with God is as solid as a fortress. It's solid like a rock. It's all based on my faith to believe." Every believer of every religion is convinced on faith too. Your relationship with your God is exactly like a Zeusian's relationship with Zeus. Absolutely no difference, as they are both based on faith to believe.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage (CON'T)...Old Testament God's fury and ire, you focus only on one aspect of God. When you focus on the atrocities committed in His name, you lose sight of who or what God really is/means. Like children, the rules and punishment seem harsh for us. When we mature, rules and punishments diminish and become different because we know better. Also, God changes as we change. The concept of divine grace and forgiveness appears in the New Testament with His son's birth and the Old...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CON'T 2)...Old Testament (or contract) is no longer valid because of Jesus' unselfish sacrifice on the cross for us. We gain eternal salvation through a combination of divine grace and blessed compassion/love. When you focus on the past and what has passed, you cannot focus correctly on the present and, the greatest thing to come--the future and it's gifts. You've got to let go of your stubbornness, it will keep you from God. Don't fight with God, be quiet and focus on what...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CON'T 3)...on what God may be trying to tell you. God is not a petty, mean, arrogant, unmerciful God. Sure, if you make Him angry (sin), He will definitely notice to that but you don't have to do that to get his attention. Praying helps a lot. Being patient and discerning the will of God is also necessary. God cannot be wrapped up and put in a box conveniently, after all, you referring to the creator of the universe, no matter what you may think or believe of Him. Because you...
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 " ...you focus only on one aspect of God." No, I consider the bible as a whole, in which the evolution of a hateful god, switches personalities to a loving god, then goes back to threats of torture and hate.
"Also, God changes as we change." That's funny, since the bible says God is perfect and never changes. Seems to me, the only thing that changes is believers as the rest of society forces them to get with the times.
Your God never outlawed slavery. We did.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Your nation is one under God; perhaps you don't realize how much influence the "biblegod" has had on your belief systems, that is, what you consider to be morally/ethically sound? If the concept of freedom, equality, justice, etc. were never read or preached about in the Bible, where would "you" get the idea of outlawing slavery from? Consider that carefully--the Bible is the most influential book for the Western Cannon of literature, not to mention Western civilization itself.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "If the concept of freedom, equality, justice, etc. were never read or preached about in the Bible, "
Those words are used in the bible, the concepts given in the bible are anything but the definitions of those words.
There is no justice in the condemning an entire race for the actions of one (original sin), nor is there any justice in scapegoating (claiming Jesus takes your punishment). These are not examples of justice. They are examples of a cult-con. (CONT)
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) Our concepts of freedom, equality and justice come from the Magna Carta and the - still present - work of those who fought against Christian tyranny during the Age of Enlightenment.
"Your nation is one under God;" America didn't add that line until the Cold War - as a "stance against the godless commies". Look it up. Or easier still, look up "Porky Pig Pledge" and hear for yourself what America said before Christians used the threat of communism to change it.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage "In God we trust", "...that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights...", "...the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?", "...Therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate.". Whether it is the Pledge of Allegiance, Courtroom Oath, Wedding Oath, or whatever, God is in the midst of it as the highest authority to make a solemn oath or vow before. God's influence is found everywhere; it's profound.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 #1 If we were endowed with rights by our Creator, we wouldn't have had to fight a war to get them. If they were inalienable, the Patriot Act wouldn't exist.
#2 Swearing on the bible is hilarious! Jesus said never to swear on anything or make any oaths! Good old Christian hypocrisy!
#3 The marriage vow does not always include God. And seriously, "What God has joined, let no man separate"? What non-sense is that? Christians have the highest divorce rate in America!
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Now you understand why America is in trouble today. The character of the nation, and it's people, were shaped by a firm belief in God. People's notions and ideas were all rooted in the same mores and ethics that were reflected in the belief and worship of the God of the Bible. The citizens stood in solidarity spiritually, which made for a secure nation. The statement, " a house divided against itself cannot stand", can also be applied to a fractured nation today.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 America is in trouble today because of it's policies on banking, debt, war, education, and free trade.
To claim that Deists, Agnostics, Pantheists, Atheists, the dozen or so Christian sects, and the personal, unregistered beliefs of the rest of the population that collectively made up the American revolutionaries, "stood in solidarity spiritually", is absurd.
America is - right now - the most Christian of all first world nations...and it's the most fucked up. Coincidence?
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "...where would "you" get the idea of outlawing slavery from?" Fortunately, I didn't need to get the idea, secularists did years ago.
But by all means, support your claim that the bible speaks against slavery. I'd love to see it - especially considering Christians and Jews used the bible to justify slavery for at least 3100 years.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage And God is the same today, as He was yesterday, and will be tomorrow. Yes, you know this to be correct and I agree with you. You will also know that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient, to say the least. Thus, He will accurately "change" (from our human perspective) to "accommodate" us human creations as we grow in faith and as a people of Christianity. As we evolve in religion, so will/has God. You are arguing semantics exactly and should know better, TheHigherVoltage.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 Every point you made is based on faith in an unsubstantiated book of contradictions. No different than the conversation I'm having with a Hindu about the Vedas right now. And yet, neither of you can back up a thing you are saying. Both of you are claiming I should just "know" and have "faith" that each of your non-sense is true.
Tell me, why should I believe your unsubstantiated statements made on faith in a book, and not hers?
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage (CON'T 4)...Because you know of the Bible, you can also select which parts and verses showcase God's compassion, grace, mercy, and forgiveness. You know in your heart that there is also a side to God which allows you to have a personal relationship with Him. Which aspects you choose to focus on is up to you but, don't imbalance it all just for the sake of concentrating on what is appropriate or convenient for you--it will blind you to God's purpose (for your life). You know it.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
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@dustymiller65 "You know in your heart that there is also a side to God which allows you to have a personal relationship with Him."
My heart doesn't know anything. It's a muscle that pumps blood. I do know that the mind is capable of creating and adopting imaginary friends.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "God's word is perfect in it's message; and the message is THE most powerful and outstanding thing that has not changed."
No different than how the story of Zeus was perfect to his believers.
"Through translations that are imprecise or close to the truth, the original message (from God) remains."
If any real Creator(s) want to give us a message, they don't need scribblings in a book. Con artists and people who want to play God(s) need scribblings in a book.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 I wrote "No honest, just or truthful God would declare "If you follow the wrong god you go to hell." - which eliminates biblegod as honest, just or truthful.
"What would be honest, just, and truthful about sending someone to Hell who was born before Jesus Christ came into the world to Save it?" #1 If "Jesus wanted to save us", he'd just show up and say "hi", like his fables claimed he did. Yet he remains as imaginary as the tooth fairy.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage (I missed this one.) If you can prove Jesus Christ DID NOT EXIST, all of Christianity, the religion that it is, falls apart. No God exists, end of story. As a matter of fact, Jesus the Christ is the main, profound, blaring, everlasting Light that allows man to be connected to God's divine grace, through the unique route of (Eternal) Salvation. To prove that Jesus Christ is a myth, would make you right about godcults, frauds, etc. directly to Christianity and all it stands for.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
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@dustymiller65 "If you can prove Jesus Christ DID NOT EXIST, all of Christianity, the religion that it is, falls apart." Yep. That's one way to prove Christianity just another man-made godcult...fortunately for thinking people, it's not the only way.
"No God exists, end of story." Not at all. Christianity, being man-made, does not answer whether or not real Creator(s) exist. - No different than when we figured out Zeus was bullshit.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "To prove that Jesus Christ is a myth, would make you right about godcults, frauds, etc. directly to Christianity and all it stands for."
Strangely, you should already agree (on faith, likely not research) that all other theistic religions, except yours, are godcults/frauds. And chances are you'd also agree (based on the usual Christian sect dogma), that most Christians, except those in your sect, are likely "not true Christians" - ie. frauds/false prophets/fake godcults
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage That's non-sense? No real or truthful...etc. God does. God is THE creator. It may be hard for you to comprehend the exact opposite of what you are saying but then again, it's God we're talking about here, not god, or gods, or whatever. Many people belive this and put their faith in it and have faith in it. Millions of people. Until something happens that can disprove it all, nothing will change. Not even people saying the oppositie. Saying such stuff is just "not sensible".
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 "God is THE creator." - every theist of every religion claims their version of God is a real God, and our real Creator.
"It may be hard for you to comprehend the exact opposite of what you are saying..." It's not hard for me to comprehend your position at all. It's no different than all theists who claim it's their God or nothing.
"Many people belive this and put their faith in it and have faith in it. " Once again - no different than the other millions of religions.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) "Until something happens that can disprove it all, nothing will change." - is more non-sense. eg. Most religions of our ancestors were declared mythology, and replaced with newer religions through conquest or political decree. Christianity was, and is, no different.
Claiming your God is the God - is non-sense spewed from the intellectual dishonesty of faith shared by all theists of every theistic religion...ever.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Well I'm not really worried about anything you say. Faith and belief are enough to sustain an idividual. If you lose one, you will surely lose the other. And, if you can find one, you will most likely find the other. Perhaps it's only a matter of time for you, TheHigherVoltage? You may think on this for as long as you like, and in as complex a depth as you wish. Your only limits are the length of your life and IF you've decided to simply follow again.Perhaps you just need time.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 "Faith and belief are enough to sustain an idividual. If you lose one, you will surely lose the other." I agree. I also recognize that 'faith' is the prerequisite for all cults and cons of every flavor...and I have no desire to fall for or live my life believing bullshit.
"Perhaps it's only a matter of time for you, TheHigherVoltage?" It doesn't matter how long I live, I don't believe in anything that requires the self-deception of faith, nor will I again.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage It looks like you're at a beginning again. And you have a journey of discovery ahead of you. I wish you well in all your future endeavors. I believe it will bring you back home...all you need, is the faith. >:o)
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 I get the feeling you know faith is a fraud, but either you're too scared, or weak or broken or dishonest with yourself to outgrow it.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage "Scared"? No. "Weak?" No. "Broken?" No. "Dishonest with yourself?" No. Ignorant? No. Arrogant? No. Angry? No. Confused? No. Disillusioned? No. Lost? No. Depressed? No. In despair? No. Crazy? No. Jesting? No. Uncertain? Nope. Tired? Not at all. Ready to quit? Never. Always listening for the Divine? Yes. Always seeking evidence of God's hand in things? Always. Waiting to see what happens after Death? You bet. Destined for Heaven? Most assuredly. This is the Meaning Of Life.
dustymiller65 6 months ago
@dustymiller65 "Always seeking evidence of God's hand in things? Always. Destined for Heaven? Most assuredly."
That's the difference between an honest thinker and a believer. A skeptic seeks evidence for the truth - whatever it is...whereas a believer seeks evidence to support preconceived beliefs.
"This is the Meaning Of Life."
If the meaning of life is justifying beliefs held on faith, and not seeking the truth no matter what it is, you nailed it.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
"You belong to a religion...that requires faith." Until you pointed it out, I assumed you were an Atheist. Sorry about that; all that stuff doesn't apply to you then.
Faith is believing in something that you can't see (God). Faith is required to follow something which seems odd or out of place, but nevertheless, you believe in whatever it is (Christian principles, doctrines, etc.) Belief allows you to have faith. Faith allows you to believe. "Without faith, it is impossible to please God."
dustymiller65 7 months ago
The girl with the heavy suitcase represents us, the common, everyday human. The bricks represent the 'baggage' we carry around with us daily. Lonliness, fear, shame, etc. Becoming Christian is a life changing experience for the better. All such things are taken away and given to God to take care of. Christians trust in the Lord completely-it's not an easy thing to do at first but it eventually teaches us not to depend solely on our own wisdom. Accepting Jesus Christ as savior is the first step.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 All Christianity does is sell a fairy tale solution to a fairy tale problem. It's the con of every godcult, ever, throughout history.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Religion has been around for thousands of years and it will be around as long as there are humans left alive. What you need to do is, find the correct one that has a Living God, not a dead one. There are so many false ones out there with more cropping up everyday. IF you explore them all, you'll find out that they are all frauds and that Christianity is the right one. Utimately, it's your choice in what you choose to believe in, if at all. Don't delay, life is not that long.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 Every religion claims their god(s) are real and alive, while all others are dead and fake. It's the common theme of all theistic religions- "we're not the ones not lying - everyone else is!"
Personally, I questioned my Christian faith, figured out it's just a another man-made cult of delusion, and started being honest with myself years ago.
You're right. Life's to short to waste it on frauds.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage You sound pretty sure of it all? Christianity is just a fraud? And how did you come to this revelation? People have spent their entire lives, living it, dedicated to God. How could they not see this? Was Mother Teresa wrong in doing what she did in Calcutta for all those decades for the poor, destitute, and sick? Is it wrong for other Christians to help those who are in need, everyday for the rest of their lives? Sponsor and feed starving children, build orphanages andschools?
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 Christianity is a fraud. Yahweh is no more a real Creator than Allah, Zeus, Ptah, AmenRa, or any of the other millions of Creatorgods theistic religions claim are responsible for our existence. It's strange that you'd postulate "People have spent their entire lives, living it, dedicated to God. How could they not see this?", being fully aware there are billions of living and dead believers of other religions, who dedicated their lives to their God.
(CONT)
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) Mother Theresa was twisted. She was a pre-Vatican II believer convinced the more one suffers, the closer they are to her imaginary friend. She refused to give any pain killers or any tangible comforts to dying people. Her only goal was to keep people alive and in pain as long as possible - once again, because she was convinced that makes them better souls. Arguable, to normal caring people, she was a sadist convinced she was saving souls through prolonged suffering.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
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@dustymiller65 (CONT) "Is it wrong for other Christians to help those who are in need, everyday for the rest of their lives?"
Yes. Even the bible is against this. "Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself for a lifetime." Real humanitarian aid works to make people self sufficient - most Christian humanitarian aid works to gives barely enough food for starving people to survive while the CEOs and board members collect huge salaries.
(CONT)
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) And let's be clear - Christianity is not the sole source of aid work. Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and in fact, every belief and non-belief system I've ever come across - all donate to, and run a variety of charities and humanitarian ventures. So do many Atheists. Go figure.
Your questioning/logic is not evidence - it's apologetics that only sounds believable within the confines of intellectual dishonesty.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Now,Atheism is exactly like a religion. It requires belief, just like Christianity. Blind belief, I might add, just like the faith of Christianity. You have simply traded one religion for another, only this time it has no God, as you purport. In the same way you label my questioning/logic about God, I too can apply this to your belief in the non existence of one. You belong to a religion, albeit a minor one and I belong to a major one. What has changed,aside from your apostasy?
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 "Now,Atheism is exactly like a religion." Do you also claim not playing football is a sport?
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 (CONT) I have to add...
#1 Why didn't you respond to the points I made? Is it that you have no valid response?
#2 I really would like you to explain to me how not worshiping any god, is still worshiping a god.
#3 I'm not an Atheist.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage In response to #1), what in particular would you like me to answer? We've said many things, back and forth. If you start with the insults, you'll have to get used to getting insulted back. All my points are valid. Everything I've said is valid. In response to #2), I've just explained it for you in my last answer. Don't go round and round, be specific, it will make you less angry. In response to #3), okay, you're not an Atheist.
dustymiller65 7 months ago
@dustymiller65 "You belong to a religion...that requires faith."
No, I don't. I'm an old school Agnostic who knows faith is for people who choose to believe 1+1 = whatever they want it to be.
I don't know if there's god(s) or not. That's it. And it's not a religion. Nor does it take faith to be honest with oneself - it takes faith to lie to oneself.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 8 months ago
oh? god forgives?!?! I wonder if god's forgiveness also applies to Adam and Eve, non-believers, gays, teenage masturbators, divorced couples, unbaptized children, or unruly children.
oh, thats right he cant just forgive, he has to make a loophole where he sacrifices himself to himself, to bypass a rule that he created in order to forgive people to act the way he supposedly created them to act. ridiculous...
Netruic 8 months ago
if people weren't weighed down by belief in "god" they wouldn't have to struggle to be free of their chains in the first place. people would be as free and happy individuals to begin with if their minds weren't poisoned early on while their brains are still developing.
qwyzl 9 months ago 2
Nice girl in cap, toptank, gi-pant, and healthy arms muscle, but deafs don't understand. Possible others just flirt her acts not her message.
Cougman1978 9 months ago
religion is only mentioned a couple, few times in scripture and mostly negative.
jesus christ is not religion but the one who died for our forgivness. man made religion means nothing but the word of god and jesus christ mean all.
gwayne11000 9 months ago
@calpoop the bible says it is the word of God almighty Himself! believe me my friend the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, repent, come closer to God in your life and be with Him daily will be the moment you change your life forever in the most amazibg wayr Im living proof (ex egnostic ) :) God Bless
creman12 10 months ago
god isn't real xD
WhiteDragon103 1 year ago
Who forgives "god" for being a sadistic, genocidal, child murdering, burning, torturing cosmic douche bag?
socksumi 1 year ago
♥இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ— Great featured idear for loosing a sad mood! ♥`*•.¸.•* ♥
MsDennyDee 1 year ago
I am sorry it's not God's place to forgive. Say ur kid comes to u the father & tells u that he broke Tommy's Toy & to forgive him. Should u do that? How is that good parenting? No, u take him to Tommy's house, make him apologise to Tommy & his parents, then take Tommy to a toystore & buy him a new toy out of ur Kids allowance. Does that mean u are a bad parent because u are not doing what God is doing?
Just a primitive religion using easy lures to gain converts. Do the right thing, guys.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
This video made no sense but in response to a few posts here that are pro-religion I just want to say that yes I do agree, Atheist activisits seem to have taken over Youtube and are trying to silence dissent and religious thinking.
youarewrongyesable 1 year ago
If you reject the idea of Gods Rule, Then Practice What you Preach And Stop Trying to Be a Godly Figurehead to those that do. You don't want anyone trying to rule your life? You control your own destiny and don't need Him? That's fine and is between you and Jesus on Judgment day, but don't bash on anyone else who actually believes in a higher purpose in life.. rather than just sitting at home on the computer being an antagonist.
LyteasARock007 1 year ago
In all honesty, God does not = Religion, Mans attempt at Putting Christ within a category does. Anyone who shares something from their hearts would instantly declare their feelings if one were to come along and disrespect them. (Including you all posting the negativity). If this "Cult Harboring" "Hysterical" Religion was so wrong, why even bother visiting this video anyway?
LyteasARock007 1 year ago
and really, who in their right minds believe that the first human being was created from dirt? or a woman being made from his torn out rib? It's truly histerical when you actually stop to think about it, and I love it when people say, "oh there's just something about the gospel of Jesus Christ. completely undermining the fact that if they were born under a different cultural God they would be believing in someone like ALLAH, or KHRISTINA.
javonne 1 year ago
people are so easily persuaded into believing in an almighty invisible man in the sky which is so bloodthirsty-- oops I mean, so "loving, and forgiving" that he sends himself to earth to sacrifice himself, to apease himself in order to forgive the creatures that he himself created, (which wasn't even a true sacrifice when you think about it, "Jesus" according to christians isn't dead, so if he's not dead, then that means God sacrificed nothing.)
javonne 1 year ago
good video, well made, well acted. I wish i could become a feather-brained air-head and be happier.
I'm kidding, i understand the symbology of the burdens we carry being lifted by God
IdaSputum 1 year ago
people will try, just have forgiveness for all sis, one day when all heck happens in there life they will cry out, or blame him for it not understanding, if you want to blame him go ahead but I can help you out of what ever you are going thru.
They hated Jesus so they are gonna hate on you...
unseenemotions 1 year ago
Nice message, you have skills. keep up the good news.
unseenemotions 1 year ago
Don't put your faith in utter false hood that can't be proven or touched and put your faith in yourself and your fellow man!
crazy4carolyn 1 year ago
LOVE IT! Thank you for posting!
thisnewlife 2 years ago
Be mindful of your cynicism loved ones.
SD1Chargers 2 years ago
God forgives us for what? What he has set us up to do? For the way we are born? And on what conditions? torture and bloodshed? If he really loved us and is forgiving and all...whats with jesus being tortured? And whats with Hell? Forgiving, Yeah right.
AvaAvaBoBava 2 years ago
Seems a lot of you are getting s little upset about something you don't even believe in. Why come to this thread , just to insult? Why does something you don't believe in move you to make such mean comments? This person made a vid, a great vid, not pushy, just a message that some might wanna hear, messages are all around us, if this one is not to your liking, move along..
pragmatec1 2 years ago
Bags get heavy, handing it to God takes the load off, every time!
pragmatec1 2 years ago 2
Nice video,Nice drum and bass mixed up with guitar,then hit with a little trance,kinda feel it sounds cool,Btw nice message.
warezDAM 2 years ago
To all the viewers:
Youtube is full of thousands of videos. To all that feel the need to post a negative comment, remember: Feel free because you have the right to speak your mind! But remember also that if you made it here, then you yourself most likely looked up the title "God". I pray that "God" reveals himself to you in more than just this video within your search! I am no better than you, just a fellow Believer in Christ willing to talk. Hit me up, if you feel the need to. All in Love!
alegre21 2 years ago
@alegre21 you definately aren't better than me son, but i feel for you, you're too brainwashed and in need for a skydaddy
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@alegre21 It's called comic relief. Thats why us evolutionists come here. Whenever I'm feeling flat I check out these delusional sites... they make me laugh, sometimes its sad (I cant believe that people who believe in Yahweh really do believe in it) In fact.... the more I look at these sites the less I laugh and the more saddened I am that children are so indoctrinated and some adults so lost that they would turn to a world of fantasy and abdication as oppossed to reason and life, yes very sad
nzer48 1 year ago
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@nzer48 1 Corinthians 1:18 (New International Version)
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Its not fantasy, if you were to study your bible you would see that Jesus Christ is truly the resurrected Son of the Living God, however it does not seem as though you are interested in that, and it may appear "foolish" to you, however not to us that believe and see POWER
Lrothtube 1 year ago
@alegre21 If God loved us he wouldnt have created a torture chamber for when we dont "love" him. This is some sort of sick joke hes playing on us [if he exists]. He creates us with faults then punishes us for it. What a loving god HE is!!
madnesscombat5 1 year ago
@alegre21 Actually, I came here because this video showed up automatically next to a video fro NonStampCollector, called "How amazing is God's Forgiveness? Not very."
I see in the side-bar now that another video by the same author has appeared. I take this as a sign that I should watch more NonStampCollector-videos.
TheConcolor 9 months ago
@alegre21
What a nice meaningful video.Thanks for everyone who made it.......I love it
Shanilkaheshan 7 months ago
When I die and I do indeed meet god. I will crush him with my will I'll make his head explode like a hotdog in a microwave! Then there will be an afterlife worth living. I refuse to bow to any man or god, to do so would cause too much shame for me to bear. I must be equal to all men or I have no worth. This will apply to my soul as well if I have one. If this changes I would cease to be me, and it would not be I in heaven or hell, but a doppleganger. I refuse the idea of things greater than I.
MrDylaneric 2 years ago
Sup man,
I just wanted to comment on what you send...If I may. You say you must be equal to all men or have no worth and I agree, we need to work hard and show ourselves approved. It even says so in the Bible, LOL! But we need to also be realistic and believe that even WE didn't create ourselves and THAT alone proves that there is a higher power. All in love my friend, I ain't here to blast you. You sound like a man driven by passion & creativity (Hence the microwave.) Im always down to talk.
alegre21 2 years ago
As I understand it I created myself from materials on the walls of my mothers uterus. Not me as in the thinking and creative part, but the collection of cells containing my DNA that ultimately built upon themselves until I was the result.
That was kind of a fun thought experiment.
MrDylaneric 2 years ago
@alegre21 the fact that the bible says it means nothing. fuck the dessert book. don't even mention what the crap paper says because we all think it's a joke and it means nothing to us.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@alegre21 Please take me seriously I don't mean to cause any offense. My emotional self really wants to attach to the idea of a God or higher being out there that will watch out for me. However, rationally I really think that most things that are said about him are made up. There may be a God out there who created us all, maybe all the way back to the big bang. However, the Bible was written by various mortal men all from Earth. It was probably made just as a way to discipline people.
calpoop 11 months ago
I don't if you realize how stupid u actually look,actually stop and read what you typed "sober" then seriously ull laugh.You sound like a comic book.
warezDAM 2 years ago
@MrDylaneric
May God bless you and give you the capacity for love :-)
RAHULVPV 6 months ago
So....Are you waiting for an answer to Religion? Because if you just research it...it's there. I can probably bible tump you till you drop, but I can see that's not what you need. You sound like you need facts. I challenge you to further research it list the truth vs. the false...then decide. I'm positive that if you truly apply yourself, God will reveal Himself to you. Your call, dude. Your call.
alegre21 2 years ago
It's amazing how much power we give to our make believe deities. It can be as simple as self forgiveness, or hearing those same words from someone you have wronged. Lets see what god has to say about this...Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting.
That god sure is a shy one, I can't wait to hear his thoughts on religion...Still waiting......Still waiting......Still waiting...
EchosFromaBlankMind 2 years ago 2
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@EchosFromaBlankMind 1 Corinthians 1:18 (New International Version)
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
This is what he is saying, do you see any truth in the above statement?
Lrothtube 1 year ago
God does not forgive.
God does not exist.
dmosier 2 years ago
So...just to be clear, God doesn't Exist?
How do you explain the creation of the world then? At least from your point of view? (in a non-bias fashion)
alegre21 2 years ago
Though I do not have an answer to the question of the origin of the world, it does not mean that your god, or any god or gods is the only answer.
I do not know the maiden-name of my great grandmother, but I am quite certain the answer is not god.
I don't know how many whales are left in the Ocean, but I do know that "god" is not the answer to that either. 100 years ago people thought 'god' made it rain, but now we know about the hydrological cycle. Good thing we kept searching for the truth.
dmosier 2 years ago
Look man, my purpose was not to insult your intellegince...I apologize if it cam across in that manner. What I'm trying to say is that science proves the existance of God (One God...not many and he's your God too not just mine...even if you don't believe in Him, he still accepts you for who you are...but let me stop Bible Tumping and get back on topic) Ok, so we found out the scientific reason for rain but ask yourself "How does this pattern sustain itself?" If your really willing to research
alegre21 2 years ago
@alegre21 do you realise you're a joke? You say there's proof and then you quote the bible. what a joke
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
even though i don't like the contents, i respect the way you put it. i don't want GOD forgive criminals. i want him to keep the record for eternity.
kiiler2 2 years ago
Sometimes... The biggest gift God can give is forgiveness.
alegre21 2 years ago
I am atheist. I don't agree with this video but I'll give you the credit. Your video was really cool! :-)
tubetib 2 years ago
man this was creative and amazing!
ilovejesus1993 2 years ago
LOL! wow! silly willy christians! :)
larryishere1 2 years ago
I seek forgiveness only from the people I have wronged. That's all that really matters.
This kind of emotional manipulation makes me sick.
Cadiohi 2 years ago 9
God and forgiveness shouldn't be used in the same sentence. God sends non- believers to hell, out of pure pride and arrogance. His moral compass is sickening, and if he does exist, I refuse to worship him.
Laurence000001 2 years ago 4
Nah, god doesn't do that. Its just an allegory for the way things are. God doesn't exist, but if he does, I refuse to worship him too. Although I will pay attention to the wisdom of our anscestors, and that's really all that the bible is. That's really who god is. And god doesn't have the power to punish us. God has the understanding that we are all punishing ourselves.
philnoll 2 years ago
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@philnoll 1 Corinthians 1:18 (New International Version)
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Like God says, this all sounds like foolishness to you.
Lrothtube 1 year ago
What a great vid.
It shows how religon uses guilt and shame to manipulate people. Young people should really stay away from it.
stevekap8 2 years ago 5
*In high opera voice* >>>CROOOCK OOOF SHIIIIIIT!
UcanbeGOD 2 years ago 4
This is very creative. Not based in logic or reason, but fantasy....and victimization. The person who filmed it could get some money for hi/her creative design.
cynthiaforequality 2 years ago 3
Apparently, without Christianity, you're a horrible HORRIBLE person.
Psy1402 2 years ago 3
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atheistnarutofan 2 years ago
Note to self: dont take acid with christians
seraphiclaws 2 years ago
LOL!!!
screech519 2 years ago
Imagine this: that suitcase is your head.
At first you gather bricks in there, with what you could actually build something if you had enough.
Then when you get relegion, all those useful bricks turn into foam. Useless foam for emotional people to play around with.
Just utter bullshit.
Baltican 2 years ago 2
Standard cult approach: tell people they are worthless crap without god. Then tell them they will be perfected with god. Religion is a fairytale and its practice is a cult.
ndyt 2 years ago 12
If Christianity or other religion fails you. Try Kayakism. A new philosophy by a kayakers perspective on life....myself !!!! " Out on a flat glassy lake in the morning glare is a close to a heaven as it gets. As your oar dips into the glass, and the boat propells itself forward, you are in complete control of your days destiny with each stroke. power consumes you and you strive for your destination. No holds barred. Just you, your boat and what you take with you. " Try Kayakism and live.
Riptidescool 2 years ago
Hmm this is a rather artsy approach isnt it?
ASappyProduction 2 years ago
Good job on the visual aspects, sound and execution of the video. The content and message however I think is flawed.
x1tekja 2 years ago
Lol God
happyhappy85 2 years ago
Actually, the way the video was going, I expected this girl, in the end, to experience the freedom that comes from getting rid of the ludicrous constrictions imposed by religious belief that had been filling up her suitcase. I mean...that's what DID happen but the conclusion was, somehow, like it was god's forgiveness. Very strange.
1140Cecile 2 years ago