The Way of the Master on trial, DonExodus2 and ExtantDodo 1

[M1NDC0N7R0L]

I love how 99.99% of atheist videos leave the ratings and comments open, while the creatards close them and frequently block users. Is this how someone that is interested in "spreading the word" should act?

[kraqore79]

But but ...... The banana... It's our nightmare.... What will we do???

[ERIX307]

truth comes by having a strong solid mind,having an asumed or guessed idea causes a perpetual consept ,theory or beliefe.the only way to know, is to be open to things greater then our selves.

[SqueakerAlpha]

Rod Serling hes not :(

[mynewemail44]

I watched the video and I have a reason to beleive you don't apreciate the way of the master. Why dont you get with them and have a professional debate and film it. I would love to see it.

[sonic8005]

@mynewemail44 Way of the Master got a professional debate in which they claimed they would be able to prove God's existence without the use of scripture.

Then they went on to present various strawmen arguments and then immediately refer to said scripture that they said they would not need nor use. No evidence of any kind was presented at all and they went on to only demonize their opponents.

What they did was a lot of things, professional was not one of them.

[TheHomelessCripple]

When i want an expert opinion, i always go to college drop outs first. They seem to know what they're talking about

[tekbarrier]

Gee, who should I listen to when it comes to the subject of evolutionary biology...a scientist with a PhD in biology, or an evangelical Christian with an obvious anti-evolution agenda?

Hmmm...expert...?...or non-expert? Choices, choices...

[theeAlphaOne]

Thanks for the post @Dodopandemic !

Someone needs to  keep this kind of disinformation from spreading like Ray and his protoge would like.

[theeAlphaOne]

LOL , that old card , your spelling is off, in an attempt to throw off someone's credibility, been around since time. Read your comment carefully, your spelling is terrible, but that is not meant for you to take offense to.... =)

[ThePowerwise]

No offence, but your grammar is terrible.

[DodoPandemic]

it's not mine.

[ThePowerwise]

Good. The vide is well-done, but the grammar is cruddy.

[ThePowerwise]

@theeAlphaOne

From experience, poor grammar is often diagnostic of an attitude which will manifest itself in other undesirable ways. That being said, crappy spelling puts up a huge red flag for me.

Proper spelling is the most basic thing one should be expected to have if they are going to debate in any way.

[TheHomelessCripple]

plus youtube has auto spell check. If someone still can't spell after being told by a program they can't spell, it's very telling of their character and attention to detail.

[diacron]

@ThePowerwise So is yours, there's no space between "The" and "Powerwise"...mad?

[auburn722]

A big bang in the middle of space not a production studio in other words we se nuclear explosions happening on the sun all the time because its the sun not a production studio!

[SLRL1A1]

The irony in the segment from 0:58 to 1:12

was so intense it made my screen melt!

[mrdreamers4u]

i like learning what you come up with plz keep them coming:) but true science never neglects ANY tool to figure anything out you need every resource to make sense of things or prove or disprove that's common sense so you can't say that its propaganda unless you have proof you only have studied assumptions, however i am learning from your responses and i appreciate them truly :)

[DodoPandemic]

But the 'Supernatural' is not a tool for understanding the natural world. The entire term supernatural would be unprovable or even more important unfalsefiable. It would be the same that science would say that babies were brought by flying stalks.

[DodoPandemic]

And yes it is propaganda, from the fake monologue about his childhood, to the debunked arguments. They use tautology, irriducable complexity, et etc. have doctors in philosophy comment on biology and astronomy. And lastly it is produced by the Discovery institute/Illustra Media, trying to get evolution out of the schools, not by research but by politics and public opinion.

This way everything they say does not have to be peer reviewed, and is aimed at the laymen to rally behind a cause.

[mrdreamers4u]

i mean really watch it without thinking the way you know you shouldn't be thinking because if you just toss this aside then you choose what you want to know and not what science has proven, its science, i studied it to be valid and so have every student and scientist that have :)

[DodoPandemic]

A case for the Creator, is a well cut and edited piece of propaganda from the discovery insitute. I haven't got enough room in one box to explain why it is propaganda (I don't mean it as empty rethoric). The content though is also not true science as it mostly revolves around a tautology. Alot of effort is put into asserting that a small change in the conditions (distance towards the sun, etc etc) would mean that life could not exist, and then making the false conclusion that a god...cont

[DodoPandemic]

must have been behind it. The conclusion is false becuase what they're actually asserting is that if the conditions were different, then they would be different. We might not have been here but it sais nothing about the universe, nor life in general Also reaching that conclusion (spec.creation) you have to assume that we know every planet in our universe and assuming that we are alone and unique. And it goes on and on. I have mirrored a debunking video on my channel, which explains it in detail

[mrdreamers4u]

watch "Case For The Creator" then tell me what you think because thats true science :)

[mrdreamers4u]

"besides its common sense that if there is no God then everything had to come from nothing,..."

If this is a false dichotomy and there are many more options name just one? Im sry but it's obvious you really don't need science for that one :) Everthing I mean Everything is made up of something atoms, particles, matter ect. there has to be a source that even includes the universe itself. so in makes sense to me that time was even created from something outside of time now that's true science! ;)

[DodoPandemic]

Really you are so close!

"Everything is made up of something atoms, particles, matter ect." All true, but then you make the mistake that there has to be a scource for the universe... not an illogical assumption, the false dichotomy lies in the either 'nothing or God' (and then especially a specific god).

1. The universe is eternal ( that's an option)

2. We only know the current state of our universe.

3. Since time/space/matter/energy were all confined in the singularity, cont....

[DodoPandemic]

.... a term as 'before' becomes quite meaningless, since the "Big Bang" is an expansion of space/time. I am not a physicist or cosmologist so I can't do the maths for you.

I am really excited about the Hadron Collider, with that machine we can simulate states that were only nano seconds away from the initial expension.

[DodoPandemic]

One more thing I am not, nor are the makers of this video, trying to make any claim about the existence of a god or gods. My position is that I do not believe in the Judeo-Christian god, or god of Abraham. This is meant as a debunking video of unscientific propaganda, aka yecs propaganda.

Science cannot and never will make any comment on the supernatural.

[mrdreamers4u]

plus i LEARNED in college that science is not 100% factual obviously, besides you said it yourself period that ends that in till PROVEN. and dont get on me about my grammar i wipe my ass with grammar! lol

[DodoPandemic]

Science is a self correcting system, nothing is 100% factual. But that doesn't really matter, if something works, makes accurate predictions, such as the theory of evolution and the big bang theory, and fits in existing models, it's good enough. Untill another genius comes up and adds to that knowledge or disproves the theory by having another more accurate theory.

[mrdreamers4u]

besides evolution and the big bang may not be in the same field but they fight 4 the same goal

[mrdreamers4u]

ah the big bang theory does say it came from nothing how else did it get there i studied evolution for years, besides its common sense that if there is no God then everything had to come from nothing, only honest students such as myself know that ha! O and also you don't prove anything from trying to disprove something you prove something to disprove something duh!

[DodoPandemic]

The big bang does not say it all came from noyhing, repeating it will never make it so. Fact is we do not know what was 'before' the singularity.

"besides its common sense that if there is no God then everything had to come from nothing,..." That is a false dichotomy, there are many more options, if you're that honest you would know this. And what do you mean by your last scentence?

[childofjah333]

And when you watch a documentary this is what is taught. stop playing around with words and just point us to the EVIDENCE...whether it be for evolution or the big bang... what is your take on the explanation for this existence, the origins of it, the mechanisms driving it and the evidences for it?????

[DodoPandemic]

I would reccomend watching some of DonExodus2 video's if you are truly intrested in the evidence for evolution. But what's my take on "the explanation for this existence"? Correct me if I am wrong but are you looking for a filosophical answer here? Which is allright of course, but science attempts to answer the how.

[childofjah333]

Since you seem to be able to refute so much...I wonder If you could please make a video giving just 5 potential evidences from all the major fields of science...I don't know...i just think its silly to say that evolution has nothing to do with the big bang when it is the majority scientists themselves that incorporate this theory in the explanation on how we got here and why things are as they are. Plus the fact that when you go to school this is what one is taught.

[DodoPandemic]

Considering your comment, I already know that this will be hard to explain to you. Evolution indeed has nothing to do with the big bang, one explains the diversity of life, the other the origin of the universe. Biology and cosmology. Of course on a certain macro level they are all connected, I mean without the universe we wouldn't be here, but that's as far as it goes. If you are taught that evolution encompasses everything then you've been taught wrong I'm afraid. cont...

[DodoPandemic]

".....5 potential evidences from all the major fields of science" I have no idea if what I am about to do is what you seek, but I will try.

Theory of Evolution - genetics, dna, fossil record, second human chromosome.

Big bang theory - cosmic microwave background radiation, red shift/blue shift.

Abiogenesis - Urey Miller experiment.

The other two major sciences you'll have to name for me I am afraid.

[Shikahake7]

I love how they claim that there was no editing, as you see the blatantly edited in floating blue sign thing floating in front of him.

[Fataalex]

Sorry I have to correct you on this, they don't claim that there was no editing. It is however a failed analogy of the big bang theory.

[15963256]

which dodo is this,,m....

so i should subscribe?

[DisforDubby]

I know the scientific fields of study such as evolution and the big bang are separate, but they are all tied together in the whole of cosmic evolution.

Its all basically just a bunch of change.

[Albukhshi]

yes its true.

but bear in mind, the objective here is to "debate" evolution, so the big bang is irrelevent. that's a strawman argument (not from you, but from those two boofs in the video, cameron and comfort).

[DisforDubby]

yeah those two are complete idiots. Its actually unreal and a bit frightening how unable some people are to get out of that crazy ass mindset...

[Albukhshi]

look up theowarner's video series: psychology of fundamentalism. very very informative (its about VFX, but might explain those two-especially Cameron).

if they don't match, then they are out for the money. or fame...

[younhol00]

We share a common ancestor with apes wow I did not know that. Since I know that men and apes are only two chromosomes behind right, but the Tobacco has 48 Chromosomes like the Ape. Hey wait a minute they don't share any ancestry whatsoever. The dog and the chicken has the same amount of chromosomes. but how can it be, men this belief in Evolution have me confused.

[DodoPandemic]

lol for real? dude....

[Albukhshi]

just because tabacco has 48 chromosomes does not mean its the same ancetor-it just means they have the same chromosome number. if you look at the 48 in chimps and 48 in tobacco, the differences are actually signifigant. same for dog and cat. we have 46 chromosomes and chimps have 48, but we share a common ancestor that had 48 chromosomes (IIRC chromosome 2 in humans was once 2 chromosomes).

so its not the number of chromosomes, its the differences in codes that matter.

[younhol00]

So we share a common ancestry with tobacco too, really wow I am so happy! But we don't look nothing alike I mean we have bones, blood, cells, heart, I mean we are way different than a plant u know.

[Albukhshi]

you must be either misinformed, or deluded.

chromosome numbers have nothing to do with ancestry; its the information IN the chromosomes that makes all the difference; based on this, tobacco is far, far too distant from us to be considered on our line, but chimps only recently split off our line, roughly 5-10 MYA.

and yes, we have a "common" ancestor with tobacco. problem for you and your microcephalic head is that it lived +1-2 billion years ago. a billion is a lot.

now stop arguing.

[younhol00]

Who told you that, and why did you believe it, I didn't tell you that. See when you add hominem attack you left all arguments because I told u the truth and u didn't like that. See what you are trying to do is scare me to shut up and go away, that isn't going to happen. Evo is the biggest lie perpetrated on humanity, there isn't one shred of evidence to support such an illogic, irrational, and dangerous dogma, that leads people away from reality.

[Albukhshi]

I forgot: you told the truth?

if so, where is your evidence? show me real evidence, like the type I have just plastered you with (you know, when I mentioned DNA, domestication, medicine, etc) , logical, irrefutable, and sensible, and I might BEGIN to believe you.

until then, all as witnesses, evolution is not illogical, not crazy, not dangerous, and that special creation and the idea of it is dogmatic, dangerous, unproven, and silly.

[megamanium]

The number of chromosomes is one of the last things evolutionary biologists are going to use as links. You could look at all the shared genetic information we have with today's apes for example (which is pretty damning).

[younhol00]

Our DNA is about 75% similar to that of a nematode, which is basically a small soil-dwelling worm. No-one would suggest a nematode is? 75% human. That puts the Chimpanzee at LESS than HALFWAY between a worm and Human! Ooops!

[Albukhshi]

you should not think of these percentages as part of a cookie batter (a common creatard misconception), but as like computer programming, with 75 percent of the instructions similar to us. the difference between a nematoid and us is equivalent thus, to that between Rome: total war.exe, and Empire: total war.exe-both are worlds apart from each other.

and no, executables don't reproduce, just as a warning, as I'm sure you'll scream "but thar's a common designer!"

[megamanium]

@younhoI00

Actually we're not that far from nematodes. Our fetus' look almost identical. Chimpanzees are 98% human (genetically). Does that mean god designed them like us? I guess it doesn't make any more sense that way.

What was your point anyways? Were you trying get me to say 'Oh no we can't be like nematodes!'. Apparently evolution IS a lie of Satan's. Get a fucking clue idiot.

[younhol00]

Wow it seem when the truth slaps u silly u resort to name calling, thank you so much for proving our point, u have nothing. Then u lie we are identical to a nematode, may be similar at a particular stage, but way way different now. Similarities mean we are not the same, key words not the same.

Now u want to believe we are related knock urself out.

Evo is the stupidest dogma the planet has ever seen.

[Albukhshi]

1-I did not attack you, but your ideas, which I mentioned render you deluded

2-I never said we were identical to a nematoid; I said the 75% similarity indicates common ancestry in the distant past. reading helps you know.

3-if evolution is a serious dogmatic belief that leads to delusions, then why do I spell, articulate, and think more clearly than you? you can't even construct a proper sentance for god's sake- now this last sentance, from "? you", to "god's sake", is an ad hominum.

[Albukhshi]

I forgot:

if you wanted evidence: you can read on: ontology, homologeous structures, analogeous structures, ring species, atavisms, vestigial organs, paternity tests, mtDNA, the fossil record, and so on-all of them are known to be correct and true, and all of them are important to modern science.

they are also antithetical to dogma, as unlike special creationism, a real and very stupid dogma, it is based on evidence..notice, evidence. no faith, no dogma, only reason and evidence.

[Albukhshi]

lastly, if evolution is a lie, and an "evil" dogma (which clearly sums up your version of christianity-now this is another REAL ad hominum), then why does DNA testing work? why does ribosomal typing for medical diagnoses work? why are we able to genetically engineer foods? and lastly, why the fuck do we have dogs, cows, maize, and so on? all were artificially selected by us-is your god too small to do so naturally, to your species and other species in nature? If so, then I pity you.

[megamanium]

@younhoI00

You do know what a dogma is right? Evo is constantly questioned on every side, that's what makes it a science. When religion is questioned, their only defense is to get defensive.

What point did you make? The similarity of species? That was my point too. What did I lie about? Nothing? I said we were SIMILAR to nematodes in most respects. Similarity DOES mean we are partly the same (look it up). I'll knock myself out if you want, but first I need your permission.

SO?

[vicesquad08]

if scientist are not 100% sure of their theories how can they not believe in God??..

[DodoPandemic]

no theory is 100% truth (except in mathemetics) that is the thing about science, a scientific theory is as close as you can get to the truth as possible. A believe in god isn't nescesarry or required. Even if a theory is 50% proven it still doesn't nescesitate a believe in a god. Science makes no comment on the super natural, therefore God is not required, and God is even impossible in science, since science cannot make any statements about the supernatural.

[Palifiox]

Actually something like 47% of scientists are believers. it is rather more common among astronomers than biologists.

[crossoldman]

If you believe 100% in God how can you not believe in fairies?

[McConsumer]

I thought way of the master would involve Bruce Lee...at least peripherally.

[Albukhshi]

yeah, me too :-(

[SpyHotz404]

I'd like to see the Dodos remake their earliest debunks with both audio and error tally.

As for DonExodus2...he's doing a mighty fine job.

[DodoPandemic]

well let's hope they get back soon then.