When we finally discover what existed before the big bang, those arab worshiping Christians will come up with something else which we haven't yet answered and say "Well god did THAT then" .. and thus the argument goes on and on.
why complicate the bible god said it and it was so he diddnt have to wait for these things to come into place all he had to do is say it god does not need science to do his work science is just the gears of his creation to keep it going
@mazoric No. Science is a tool that helps us reveal, understand and explain reality. What science has taught us about the world and it's history is at odds with the story from Genesis. That means the story from Genesis does not reflect reality. It's not the case that God doesn't need science, it's the fact that science doesn't need God.
The late Doc really should of stuck to his expertise. But even if he was right in his interpretation of light predating stars, I its a stretch to suggest genesis was referring to this.
I doubt the late doc's expertise in his chosen field as well. Was he an academic or bad apologist
@kommissarw I've continued to research the idea that light existed at the Big Bang and I continue to get conflicting reports. The latest report I have is that light did indeed exist at the BB, but it wasn't something that "separated" the darkness. In fact, it was the "glow" of radiation which eventually faded into the Universe's "Dark Ages" which preceded the formation of the first stars and then, the first visible light. I may do an update video on this once I think I have better understanding.
@brettppalmer and none of it has anything to do with Gen 1 v1-2 which talks about the creation of earth, no concept of galaxy or universe.
To allege this stuff refers to the big bang, when the bible displays ignorance of the nature of stars is pathetic clutching at straws, thnx for the vid, finished watching your giant series last night.
good videos! I'm glad I found your site, and expect reason and science as well as free thought to continue through youtube channels like yourself. keep up the good work.
I love watching Dr Neiman's lectures. He was awesome!
According to the current big bang model the afterglow of the initial bang (light) lasted 380,000 years. & even during the supposed cosmic dark ages there was light. So your notion that light didn't exist in the early universe because there were no stars doesn't work. Better to actually research than rely on a discovery channel show.
Genesis didn't get it wrong, but you're sure understanding it incorrectly.
@baqashchokmahelel Nope. There was no light to separate from darkness. The universe was opaque and photons could not freely travel. The first light, visible light as mentioned in Genesis 1 to penetrate the darkness, did not exist until there were stars.
@brettppalmer That's not what I find when reading the big bang model. But no matter, you present it as you do to suit your needs.
It's worth noting that up to the 1920s 30s an eternal steady state was the accepted cosmological model. You're claim that Genesis got it wrong would've worked better then than now.
Science is just starting to catch up the biblical model.
@baqashchokmahelel Well, you might want to check with a few astronomers. Before I uploaded this production, that's what I did. The "biblical model," as evidence in this series, is wholly, and in total, at odds with modern science no matter how apologists try to spin it.
I also must point out that if your going to use the Discovery channel against me well that is like using the History Channel they both have an Agenda and don't fully disclose many points of their so called Science or Change History so those who lack the ability to read for themselves believe what they see!
Light is really not defined as to what spectrum! Your eyes perceive less then 10% of what we currently call the light spectrum. So again you have not disproved Genesis and the word of GOD Creator. I hope you didn't just jump to Day 4?! Obviously by God description literally means his Day and Night are different from ours.
in the beginning there was nothing, the universe sat unformed and time and space did not exist, then there was fluctuation upon the void and energy did split from energy and the universe did begin, time began to move. and then there was the force and it was good, and the force did split from itself and the first branch we did call gravity, and the universe did continue expanding and did cool and with it did the force split again and this branch we did call the strong force
(cont) and the universe did continue to expand and it did cool and the with did the force split in two and we did call them weak force and electromagnetic force. and it was good. and the universe did continue to expand and continue to cool and the energy did form into particles and these particles we did call baryons, and the particles of the forces we did call bosons. and the baryons did form particles and they were of hydrogen and helium and lithium and the universe did expand and did cool.
(cont)light did shine through the early universe and it was good, and it did fill the entire universe and we did call this early light the cosmic microwave background radiation and it was good. and then mater did attract mater and hydrogen begot helium and helium begot berylium and berylium begot oxygen and so on. the mater was of stars and the stars were of galaxies and all was good. and one particular star did explode and its atoms did coalesce and they did form a star and we did call it "sun"
Religions equal intolerance, paranoia, xenophobia, misogyny, hypocrisy, barbarism, cruelty and mass hysteria. Just listen to the Christian conservatives in the USA.They sound a lot like the Taliban.
Has anyone noticed that more intelligent people gravitate away from religion. Religious people should take a hint.
It's mind-boggling how much time and effort they waste just to protect their "precious" believe. I wonder what mankind would look like, if noone ever invented the concept of religions.
91 MILLION YEARS AGO....BLAH BLAH BLAH........HOW DO YOU PULL THAT BASELESS BULLSHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS? EVOLUTION IS YOUR RELIGION, YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. PICKING THE CORN OUT OF YOUR OWN SHIT WOULD BE A MORE WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR.
"That which is not measurable is not science." — Lord Kelvin
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
@thugthumper1 You can't prove anything about millions of years evolution. It is your religion, i.e., belief system. You have to have more faith to believe that crap than it does to believe in an almighty Creator God. You folks are deluded.
"That which is not measurable is not science." — Lord Kelvin
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
A common element of the high priests of evolution is that they carry on a smug, condescending tone towards Creationists. Psychologically that is consistent with those that feel there position is threatened, like believers in the religion of evolution. You guys are so predictable.
Billions of years ago during the pre-cockian period......BLAH BLAH BLAH. Those of you kneeling on the altar of evolution, you would probably better spend your time counting the corn kernels in your own shit, respectfully speaking, of course.
@brettppalmer Bretsky, I am educated enough to not get sucked into the religion of evolution. Your belief system is just that, a belief system, a religion. I don't care if you simply admit it. Your "assumptions on origins" is laughable. If I am ignorant, then I don't want to be enlightened. I already you are wrong, and you are too deluded to understand. You are to ne pitied if you don't see the light. By the way, I am an engineer with a masters degree.
@ScienceIsKnowledge I believe that we are operating on different paradigm. You think that evolution is sciences based on unbiased interpretation of evidence. I, however, contend that evolution is a belief system, a religion in and of itself. Evolution goes out on a limb to conjecture about the origins of our planet and life. Belief in the book of Genesis Creation account is tantamount to acknowledging the existence of God and His authority over us. Your evolution high priests don't like!!!
@ScienceIsKnowledge YOUR IGNORANCE is sad. YOU do not understand what I am saying and what I am alluding to, because you do not have the capability to get out of your "religion." Evolution has become its own belief system and that, by definition, is a religion. You are sucking on the "tit of evolution" and you are too blind to see that.
@ScienceIsKnowledge GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU IGNORANT, CLUELESS MOTHERFUCKER. ALL I SEE WITH YOU EVOLUTION RELIGION FOLKS IS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. YOU ARE TRULY AND COMPLETELY CLUELESS, AND ONLY GOD CAN HELP YOU.
@brettppalmer YOUR IGNORANCE is sad. YOU do not understand what I am saying and what I am alluding to, because you do not have the capability to get out of your "religion." Evolution has become its own belief system and that, by definition, is a religion. You are sucking on the "tit of evolution" and you are too blind to see that..
Yes, here in thugthumper1 we see an example of the phenomenon of atavism, in which there is a genetic reversion to an ancestral form...in this case, the prosimian brain.
The evolution as applied to the origin of the earth and of life is a belief system, a religion, as it is played out in our society. That is very obvious. The high priests of evolution go way out there in there explanations, which come from 1) eye witnesses; 2) scientific experimentation; 3) visits to the past in time machines, or 4) NONE OF THE ABOVE. NO. 4 IS THE WINNER!! You folks are misusing your limited educations in making grandiose suppositions about things you have no basis to state.
So you are basically saying, you don't understand what evolution is.
Thank's for clarifying what we had already assumed, the fact you are ignorant and ill informed.
Instead of spouting the same whole "evolution is a belief" bullshit, how about, at least, a counter argument?
The term, "evolution" can be applied to almost anything, biology, geology, houses, personal computers, mobile phones etc...So, is that coherent enough 4 u? Evolution is change over time, no more, no less. Moron
@ScienceIsKnowledge Like I said, your "faith" in Evolution is a religion. Are you that stupid that you cannot see it? The conjecture and speculation of what happened to create the earth and life is ridiculous, maybe worse. God invented life with DNA that "programs" an organism to do what it takes to grow and to thrive. Again, you had no one at the beginning to document how things "evolved"? Of course not. I'm just not stupid enough to buy your bullshit, sorry Chahlie!!
"God invented life with DNA that "programs" an organism to do what it takes to grow and to thrive"
Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
If you had said "evolve instead of "programs" you may as well be explaining the theory of natural selection. You have basically just told me that "God invented DNA, which evolves for an animal to grow and thrive. Um, isn't that what evol.....ahhhh forget it. You're an idiot. The irony in your claims are priceless.
"The evolution as applied to the origin of the earth and of life is a belief system, a religion, as it is played out in our society".
No, it is actually conclusive, backed up by about 100 years of data, down to about 13.7 billion years ago ("Big Bang" ,even though there was no "bang" per say).
The origin of life, on the other hand, could be one of many possibilities. I am sure you know what they are. Trouble is, Science progressed (evolved :P), yet you remain ignorant.
I suppose that you were there at the beginning and documented all the things God got wrong in the Bible? No? I rest my case. You are interpreting things from your EVOLUTIONIST belief system.
i don't cuestion the bible, don't need man whose brain is in 60 watts, trying to explain God, whose knowlege, is 60 billion watts, is just pityfull that this so call man of scients, think they know all yet they can make them selves live forever
I love how they'll go on and on an on about things like how the first thing, according to Big Bang cosmology, was light. Blah blah blah... and totally ignore the obvious problems like... Earth being created before the sun. Or chapter 2 disagreeing with chapter 1.
You can give these people every benefit of the doubt, regarding their interpretations, and they still fail.
According to modern science Photons were created about 10 seconds after the big bang. Which would mean light existed before stars. This video is clearly misinformed and misleading.
ufimounga--Einstein did not believe in the god of the bible. Read a f*&%ing book other than the collected ramblings of Bronze Age shepherds and you might come to an enlightened understanding of the universe you inhabit:
"Einstein's views covered theological determinism, agnosticism, humanism along with ethical culture, opting for Spinoza's god over belief in a personal god."
"I believe in Spinoza's God, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”
bobbyb826--doesn't your "many gods" theory make you the same as the Philistine and Canaanite polytheist pagans the Israelites fought so hard to exterminate and completely invalidate your monotheism? whats the scoop???? ik. heh heh
@craniorectalectomist I don't know much about Big Bang Cosmology, but if you compact all the matter in the universe into one space, it could get very hot. Not to mention, the sheer amount of energy required to move all that matter away from each other, against gravity. Now, there are potentially mitigating factors, but it's not unreasonable.
Of course, trying to square genesis with science is. But that part isn't necessarily bullshit.
yeah, but wasnt the Elohim a group of gods? and not one god, like u say?
and wasnt El a different god than Yahweh etc.? sure reads that way. it seems like they thought the GODS created the universe, not one god only. idk. its not clear at all to me. whats the scoop???? heh heh
light can be created by fire, and applying friction between 2 objects, does that mean that light is in the object? no! Does that mean that light was in the friction? No! Then where did the light appear from ?, is it flowting in space is it attached to mater or friction?, could it be that light is governed and bound by law that when such things occur that light must appear. We are so caught up with the results of light that we have miss understood light itself and where it dwells all together.
einstein believed in God: the bible says darkness was already here, how long? Doesnt say, when light was created it appears to hve been fused with darkness and needed to be separated, this means creating laws and boundaries! Time was not created, it is a result of separating light and darkness.
you have not arrived stop talking liike you know everything cos you dont, ok work this out ..ko hai hoku hingoa? ..exactly it is a mystery to you..you dont know everything stop talking like youve arrived you sound like a fool.
its funny how people try to change the whole wording of the bible so it coensides with science so sain followers cant go agaisnt it. lmao what happen when we really find out how the universe was created. oh well if we go back a little further then we can see that God acually did this and that before he did this and that
@NAguisrt I'm not 100% sure if what your saying is true, but either way, energy is not light, it's energy. If light was energy, they would both be called light, or be called energy. If light is energy in a different form, that still doesn't make energy light.
@halflifefan84 "Simply stated, light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--light is energy."
Respond to this video... "Simply stated, light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--light is energy."
Actually, you're science about light isn't quite right. For the first 379,000 years or so, the universe was too hot for light. At last, the universe cooled enough that photons could be released, and the whole universe was light. Over time and distance, the universe continued to cool, and went dark again, until the first stars formed. That initial explosion of light is now in the microwave, the cosmic background radiation.
That's something that's always annoyed me. When people arguing against genesis say stuff like, "how can a day exist before the sun?" It's a trivial problem as this video points out. There are far greater issues than that.
Brett, "light" has more problems than this in Genesis. Light was NOT the first thing God created, much to the bullshit spouted by the good Dr. Yamaka. The "heavens and the EARTH" came prior. Amazing how such a bright fellow missed that minor point, eh? On top of the lack of oxygen, water in the vacuum of space would have been ice; more accurately, vaporized instantly.
Trolling a harmless comment, followed by a claim that is clearly ridiculous to any rationally minded person.
Do your self a favour and get past your 3rd grade education. Please reply, so we can all point and laugh at the funny little creationist, trying to call evolution, "philosophy"
@ScienceIsKnowledge Your belief in the religion of evolution is creditable. Your religious beliefs have not set you free. YOUR RELIGION IS EVOLUTION. It is your belief system, period.
Define the word "evolution" in the english dictionary , then punch yourself in the face for realizing you had missed the entire concept of what "evolution" is.
@ScienceIsKnowledge Laugh all you want, high priest of the religion of evolution. Why would you laugh? I would laugh at you, but I actually feel sorry for you.
Genesis doesn't state the Sun as a star but states the Moon as a light, also places the stars, Sun, and Moon in the firmament or sky but that isn't true. Can they explain that? Galaxies rusing back to their origin? Since the Big Bang happened the formation of galaxies after that, they have been separating, not going back to their origin.
Obviously, the sun disc comes out during the day but does not cause light, just as the moon disc comes out during the night but does not cause darkness.
Light is created by the shift of electrons between their different levels when they are excited by energy. There can be no light without completely formed atoms.
If the Dr. is right in that the big bang created light, genesis would be wrong because it states heaven and earth was created first, then light. Is he really trying to say that the big bang happened after the earth was created? If he is, he's wrong either way and the text don't support reality like he claims.
I'm going to be picky, because this is science we're talking about here. This might take a couple of posts.
#1: The light we see from stars is a product of their temperature, because their photospheres are opaque (since they are plasma) and are black body radiators. It just so happens that this is currently a product of nuclear fusion, but if you take any mass of hydrogen and heat it to the surface temperature of any star of your choosing, and it will look the same, minus absorption lines.
#2: At some point, the entire universe was composed of matter in essentially this state: hot plasma. It would have been opaque (meaning we can't look back and see details) but would have been constantly absorbing and radiating light energy.
#3: At some point, the matter cooled enough for protons to capture electrons, and the universe became much more transparent. When we look back at the cosmic microwave background radiation, it is the beginning of the era that we can see.
@anzwertree Historically, I tend to attack problems relentlessly, and I do rather enjoy programming. Add a pinch of whimsy ("StubbornProgrammer" seemed a bit more whimsical than "RelentlessProgrammer.") and voila.
@StubbornProgrammer That's a good question. I'm a computer science student, so I'm a firm believer in meaningful name. I originally started making videos back when I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I thought I knew the answers; I even went door to door telling people. Come to find out, however, the truth was a lie, and thus I fell into apostasy in 2008. The name anzwertree is basically my own oxymoron, for answers do not grow on trees, it's also a tribute to my childhood biased ideology.
@anzwertree Well, belated congratulations! I don't imagine that was an easy journey. I hope your skepticism continues to serve you well. Computer science is a great area to study (bias alert: I'm a CompSci PhD student).
@StubbornProgrammer You have no idea. College was the catalyst that did me in. Higher education was seen as selfish in the organization. By enrolling, I was marked as bad association, a rebel. So yeah, school is pretty much my life now. I hope to get a doctorate. It just takes so damn long. Maybe if I get a scholarship, I'll go through with it. If not I'll probably stop at my masters. What I really want to do is teach programming, so I might have to get my PhD eventually. Best of wishes to you
@anzwertree "The name anzwertree is basically my own oxymoron, for answers do not grow on trees...". Bravo! Well done! Ok, not exactly DONE, you are, like the rest of us, a work in progress, but now you know that. :)
@AlanCFA You aren't joking. Coming to terms with our own ignorance is an important part of our evolution as individuals. Deception is truth's greatest lie. The biggest obstacle towards achieving truth is assuming we already know it. What good are answers when we don't even know the right questions
well done :) And I agree....there are definetly more things wrong with Genisis than a simple skewing of day and night. Looking forward to more from you on this series...peace be with
When we finally discover what existed before the big bang, those arab worshiping Christians will come up with something else which we haven't yet answered and say "Well god did THAT then" .. and thus the argument goes on and on.
AzumiRM 5 days ago
I'd believe in the theoriy of Macro Ev. if it didn't take SO MUCH FAITH IN THEIR THEORIES!!!!!
mccartherable 6 days ago
why complicate the bible god said it and it was so he diddnt have to wait for these things to come into place all he had to do is say it god does not need science to do his work science is just the gears of his creation to keep it going
mazoric 1 week ago
@mazoric No. Science is a tool that helps us reveal, understand and explain reality. What science has taught us about the world and it's history is at odds with the story from Genesis. That means the story from Genesis does not reflect reality. It's not the case that God doesn't need science, it's the fact that science doesn't need God.
brettppalmer 1 week ago
The late Doc really should of stuck to his expertise. But even if he was right in his interpretation of light predating stars, I its a stretch to suggest genesis was referring to this.
I doubt the late doc's expertise in his chosen field as well. Was he an academic or bad apologist
kommissarw 3 weeks ago
@kommissarw I've continued to research the idea that light existed at the Big Bang and I continue to get conflicting reports. The latest report I have is that light did indeed exist at the BB, but it wasn't something that "separated" the darkness. In fact, it was the "glow" of radiation which eventually faded into the Universe's "Dark Ages" which preceded the formation of the first stars and then, the first visible light. I may do an update video on this once I think I have better understanding.
brettppalmer 3 weeks ago
@brettppalmer and none of it has anything to do with Gen 1 v1-2 which talks about the creation of earth, no concept of galaxy or universe.
To allege this stuff refers to the big bang, when the bible displays ignorance of the nature of stars is pathetic clutching at straws, thnx for the vid, finished watching your giant series last night.
kommissarw 3 weeks ago
good videos! I'm glad I found your site, and expect reason and science as well as free thought to continue through youtube channels like yourself. keep up the good work.
TheStclairfamily 1 month ago
I love watching Dr Neiman's lectures. He was awesome!
According to the current big bang model the afterglow of the initial bang (light) lasted 380,000 years. & even during the supposed cosmic dark ages there was light. So your notion that light didn't exist in the early universe because there were no stars doesn't work. Better to actually research than rely on a discovery channel show.
Genesis didn't get it wrong, but you're sure understanding it incorrectly.
baqashchokmahelel 1 month ago
@baqashchokmahelel Nope. There was no light to separate from darkness. The universe was opaque and photons could not freely travel. The first light, visible light as mentioned in Genesis 1 to penetrate the darkness, did not exist until there were stars.
brettppalmer 1 month ago
@brettppalmer That's not what I find when reading the big bang model. But no matter, you present it as you do to suit your needs.
It's worth noting that up to the 1920s 30s an eternal steady state was the accepted cosmological model. You're claim that Genesis got it wrong would've worked better then than now.
Science is just starting to catch up the biblical model.
baqashchokmahelel 1 month ago
@baqashchokmahelel Well, you might want to check with a few astronomers. Before I uploaded this production, that's what I did. The "biblical model," as evidence in this series, is wholly, and in total, at odds with modern science no matter how apologists try to spin it.
brettppalmer 1 month ago
@baqashchokmahelel " you present it as you do to suit your needs "
Hey, thanks for summing up how religious nuts & Creatards view religion !!
CbandMaster 4 weeks ago
@CbandMaster Well that comment was for Brett who is neither a bible scholar nor a
scientist.
But hey who better to learn about religion from someone who doesn't include it their life, eh? lol
baqashchokmahelel 4 weeks ago
@baqashchokmahelel See? You're just another asshole who comments only to stir the pot. Get lost.
brettppalmer 3 weeks ago
I also must point out that if your going to use the Discovery channel against me well that is like using the History Channel they both have an Agenda and don't fully disclose many points of their so called Science or Change History so those who lack the ability to read for themselves believe what they see!
nexxuslord 1 month ago
Light is really not defined as to what spectrum! Your eyes perceive less then 10% of what we currently call the light spectrum. So again you have not disproved Genesis and the word of GOD Creator. I hope you didn't just jump to Day 4?! Obviously by God description literally means his Day and Night are different from ours.
nexxuslord 1 month ago
in the beginning there was nothing, the universe sat unformed and time and space did not exist, then there was fluctuation upon the void and energy did split from energy and the universe did begin, time began to move. and then there was the force and it was good, and the force did split from itself and the first branch we did call gravity, and the universe did continue expanding and did cool and with it did the force split again and this branch we did call the strong force
tuseroni 2 months ago
(cont) and the universe did continue to expand and it did cool and the with did the force split in two and we did call them weak force and electromagnetic force. and it was good. and the universe did continue to expand and continue to cool and the energy did form into particles and these particles we did call baryons, and the particles of the forces we did call bosons. and the baryons did form particles and they were of hydrogen and helium and lithium and the universe did expand and did cool.
tuseroni 2 months ago
(cont)light did shine through the early universe and it was good, and it did fill the entire universe and we did call this early light the cosmic microwave background radiation and it was good. and then mater did attract mater and hydrogen begot helium and helium begot berylium and berylium begot oxygen and so on. the mater was of stars and the stars were of galaxies and all was good. and one particular star did explode and its atoms did coalesce and they did form a star and we did call it "sun"
tuseroni 2 months ago
(cont) and other mater from the star did form planets and one of those planets we did call the earth.
(note:not an exhaustive account)
tuseroni 2 months ago
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Too stupid for science? Try religion.
Religions equal intolerance, paranoia, xenophobia, misogyny, hypocrisy, barbarism, cruelty and mass hysteria. Just listen to the Christian conservatives in the USA.They sound a lot like the Taliban.
Has anyone noticed that more intelligent people gravitate away from religion. Religious people should take a hint.
kriss299 2 months ago
It's mind-boggling how much time and effort they waste just to protect their "precious" believe. I wonder what mankind would look like, if noone ever invented the concept of religions.
M0rdH0rst 2 months ago in playlist What Genesis Got Wrong
God was there at the beginning, as noted in Genesis. Nobody else was there.
thugthumper1 2 months ago
@thugthumper1
Prove it.
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91 MILLION YEARS AGO....BLAH BLAH BLAH........HOW DO YOU PULL THAT BASELESS BULLSHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS? EVOLUTION IS YOUR RELIGION, YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. PICKING THE CORN OUT OF YOUR OWN SHIT WOULD BE A MORE WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR.
"That which is not measurable is not science." — Lord Kelvin
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
thugthumper1 3 months ago
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@thugthumper1 You can't prove anything about millions of years evolution. It is your religion, i.e., belief system. You have to have more faith to believe that crap than it does to believe in an almighty Creator God. You folks are deluded.
"That which is not measurable is not science." — Lord Kelvin
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
thugthumper1 2 months ago
The religion of Evolution is at best in the stamp collecting category.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
thugthumper1 3 months ago
"That which is not measurable is not science." — Lord Kelvin
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PrinceWalter 3 months ago
A common element of the high priests of evolution is that they carry on a smug, condescending tone towards Creationists. Psychologically that is consistent with those that feel there position is threatened, like believers in the religion of evolution. You guys are so predictable.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
Billions of years ago during the pre-cockian period......BLAH BLAH BLAH. Those of you kneeling on the altar of evolution, you would probably better spend your time counting the corn kernels in your own shit, respectfully speaking, of course.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1 If you knew the depths of your own ignorance, you'd drown.
brettppalmer 3 months ago 7
@brettppalmer Bretsky, I am educated enough to not get sucked into the religion of evolution. Your belief system is just that, a belief system, a religion. I don't care if you simply admit it. Your "assumptions on origins" is laughable. If I am ignorant, then I don't want to be enlightened. I already you are wrong, and you are too deluded to understand. You are to ne pitied if you don't see the light. By the way, I am an engineer with a masters degree.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1
"Your "assumptions on origins" is laughable."
Because he makes none. You are just too ignorant to understand that.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge I believe that we are operating on different paradigm. You think that evolution is sciences based on unbiased interpretation of evidence. I, however, contend that evolution is a belief system, a religion in and of itself. Evolution goes out on a limb to conjecture about the origins of our planet and life. Belief in the book of Genesis Creation account is tantamount to acknowledging the existence of God and His authority over us. Your evolution high priests don't like!!!
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1 Evolution has nothing to say about the origin of life or of the planet. That's what abiogenesis and cosmology are for, just saying. :)
BlackSabbath86 2 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge YOUR IGNORANCE is sad. YOU do not understand what I am saying and what I am alluding to, because you do not have the capability to get out of your "religion." Evolution has become its own belief system and that, by definition, is a religion. You are sucking on the "tit of evolution" and you are too blind to see that.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
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Look. I am done with you, troll. I blocked you , now fuck off.
If atheism is a Religion, then baldness is a Hair colour and Non-stamp collecting is a hobby.
This argument has gone far beyond you.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
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@ScienceIsKnowledge GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU IGNORANT, CLUELESS MOTHERFUCKER. ALL I SEE WITH YOU EVOLUTION RELIGION FOLKS IS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. YOU ARE TRULY AND COMPLETELY CLUELESS, AND ONLY GOD CAN HELP YOU.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@brettppalmer lol... thats all you can really do in these scenarios..laugh
pandamanman89 3 months ago
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@brettppalmer YOUR IGNORANCE is sad. YOU do not understand what I am saying and what I am alluding to, because you do not have the capability to get out of your "religion." Evolution has become its own belief system and that, by definition, is a religion. You are sucking on the "tit of evolution" and you are too blind to see that..
thugthumper1 3 months ago
Yes, here in thugthumper1 we see an example of the phenomenon of atavism, in which there is a genetic reversion to an ancestral form...in this case, the prosimian brain.
maxhardcase 3 months ago
@thugthumper1 o.0?? this video has nothing to do with evolution
randallfe 2 months ago
The evolution as applied to the origin of the earth and of life is a belief system, a religion, as it is played out in our society. That is very obvious. The high priests of evolution go way out there in there explanations, which come from 1) eye witnesses; 2) scientific experimentation; 3) visits to the past in time machines, or 4) NONE OF THE ABOVE. NO. 4 IS THE WINNER!! You folks are misusing your limited educations in making grandiose suppositions about things you have no basis to state.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1
So you are basically saying, you don't understand what evolution is.
Thank's for clarifying what we had already assumed, the fact you are ignorant and ill informed.
Instead of spouting the same whole "evolution is a belief" bullshit, how about, at least, a counter argument?
The term, "evolution" can be applied to almost anything, biology, geology, houses, personal computers, mobile phones etc...So, is that coherent enough 4 u? Evolution is change over time, no more, no less. Moron
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge Like I said, your "faith" in Evolution is a religion. Are you that stupid that you cannot see it? The conjecture and speculation of what happened to create the earth and life is ridiculous, maybe worse. God invented life with DNA that "programs" an organism to do what it takes to grow and to thrive. Again, you had no one at the beginning to document how things "evolved"? Of course not. I'm just not stupid enough to buy your bullshit, sorry Chahlie!!
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1
"God invented life with DNA that "programs" an organism to do what it takes to grow and to thrive"
Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
If you had said "evolve instead of "programs" you may as well be explaining the theory of natural selection. You have basically just told me that "God invented DNA, which evolves for an animal to grow and thrive. Um, isn't that what evol.....ahhhh forget it. You're an idiot. The irony in your claims are priceless.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
Respond to this video...
"The evolution as applied to the origin of the earth and of life is a belief system, a religion, as it is played out in our society".
No, it is actually conclusive, backed up by about 100 years of data, down to about 13.7 billion years ago ("Big Bang" ,even though there was no "bang" per say).
The origin of life, on the other hand, could be one of many possibilities. I am sure you know what they are. Trouble is, Science progressed (evolved :P), yet you remain ignorant.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
I suppose that you were there at the beginning and documented all the things God got wrong in the Bible? No? I rest my case. You are interpreting things from your EVOLUTIONIST belief system.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
i don't cuestion the bible, don't need man whose brain is in 60 watts, trying to explain God, whose knowlege, is 60 billion watts, is just pityfull that this so call man of scients, think they know all yet they can make them selves live forever
albusai 4 months ago
I love how they'll go on and on an on about things like how the first thing, according to Big Bang cosmology, was light. Blah blah blah... and totally ignore the obvious problems like... Earth being created before the sun. Or chapter 2 disagreeing with chapter 1.
You can give these people every benefit of the doubt, regarding their interpretations, and they still fail.
Sines314 5 months ago
According to modern science Photons were created about 10 seconds after the big bang. Which would mean light existed before stars. This video is clearly misinformed and misleading.
Diegel 6 months ago
ufimounga--Einstein did not believe in the god of the bible. Read a f*&%ing book other than the collected ramblings of Bronze Age shepherds and you might come to an enlightened understanding of the universe you inhabit:
"Einstein's views covered theological determinism, agnosticism, humanism along with ethical culture, opting for Spinoza's god over belief in a personal god."
"I believe in Spinoza's God, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”
craniorectalectomist 6 months ago
bobbyb826--doesn't your "many gods" theory make you the same as the Philistine and Canaanite polytheist pagans the Israelites fought so hard to exterminate and completely invalidate your monotheism? whats the scoop???? ik. heh heh
craniorectalectomist 6 months ago
This talking shitpile is suggesting that the temperature of interstellar space rose to 20 billion degrees? You've got to be shitting me.
The current estimate of the temperature of the center of the Sun is "only" 15.7 million degrees K.
Yet he's saying that the temperature of interstellar space rose to almost 2000 times that of the CENTER OF THE SUN.
This also tosses his "million degrees, things fly apart" theory into the abyss.
Read something other than a holy book, "Dr." Neiman. Idiot.
craniorectalectomist 6 months ago
@craniorectalectomist I don't know much about Big Bang Cosmology, but if you compact all the matter in the universe into one space, it could get very hot. Not to mention, the sheer amount of energy required to move all that matter away from each other, against gravity. Now, there are potentially mitigating factors, but it's not unreasonable.
Of course, trying to square genesis with science is. But that part isn't necessarily bullshit.
Sines314 5 months ago
yeah, but wasnt the Elohim a group of gods? and not one god, like u say?
and wasnt El a different god than Yahweh etc.? sure reads that way. it seems like they thought the GODS created the universe, not one god only. idk. its not clear at all to me. whats the scoop???? heh heh
bobbyb826 6 months ago
light can be created by fire, and applying friction between 2 objects, does that mean that light is in the object? no! Does that mean that light was in the friction? No! Then where did the light appear from ?, is it flowting in space is it attached to mater or friction?, could it be that light is governed and bound by law that when such things occur that light must appear. We are so caught up with the results of light that we have miss understood light itself and where it dwells all together.
ufimounga 6 months ago
einstein believed in God: the bible says darkness was already here, how long? Doesnt say, when light was created it appears to hve been fused with darkness and needed to be separated, this means creating laws and boundaries! Time was not created, it is a result of separating light and darkness.
ufimounga 6 months ago
you have not arrived stop talking liike you know everything cos you dont, ok work this out ..ko hai hoku hingoa? ..exactly it is a mystery to you..you dont know everything stop talking like youve arrived you sound like a fool.
ufimounga 6 months ago
its funny how people try to change the whole wording of the bible so it coensides with science so sain followers cant go agaisnt it. lmao what happen when we really find out how the universe was created. oh well if we go back a little further then we can see that God acually did this and that before he did this and that
24buttcheeks 6 months ago
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24buttcheeks 6 months ago
I seems that God said "let there be disease, bacteria, viruses and germs" only after Adam & Eve ate the fruit?
LegionIscariot 8 months ago
@LegionIscariot "I seems that God said "let there be disease, bacteria, viruses and germs" only after Adam & Eve ate the fruit?"
And god saw that it was good, and was pleased with himself.
saintpine 8 months ago
Light = Pure Energy. What was the first thing after the Big Bang? Pure, uncondensed Energy. I think this is what the Bible means by Light.
NAguisrt 9 months ago
@NAguisrt I'm not 100% sure if what your saying is true, but either way, energy is not light, it's energy. If light was energy, they would both be called light, or be called energy. If light is energy in a different form, that still doesn't make energy light.
halflifefan84 9 months ago
@halflifefan84 "Simply stated, light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--light is energy."
NAguisrt 9 months ago
Respond to this video... "Simply stated, light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--light is energy."
NAguisrt 9 months ago
jew-man put earth before the big bang????
thesageofohio 9 months ago
let there be light .....day 4 make light source ..LOL look it up in the bible and giggle at the stupidity
crackthecorn 10 months ago
Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd swear that "Dr. Neiman" was a theologian. Oh, let's see, he IS! What a surprise.
warwolfii 10 months ago
Actually, you're science about light isn't quite right. For the first 379,000 years or so, the universe was too hot for light. At last, the universe cooled enough that photons could be released, and the whole universe was light. Over time and distance, the universe continued to cool, and went dark again, until the first stars formed. That initial explosion of light is now in the microwave, the cosmic background radiation.
Still doesn't fit with Genesis, of course...
swingdwarf 10 months ago
according to the bible god created the havens and the earth before he created light.
Dr. David Newman is raping the text, he changes the order so the facts will confirm the story.
agoddamnatheist 1 year ago
That's something that's always annoyed me. When people arguing against genesis say stuff like, "how can a day exist before the sun?" It's a trivial problem as this video points out. There are far greater issues than that.
F1NGER 1 year ago
@F1NGER Trvial for u and me..... but for an omniscient god who got such small thing wrong? Can u still claim it's god?
mykegoh 1 year ago
Brett, "light" has more problems than this in Genesis. Light was NOT the first thing God created, much to the bullshit spouted by the good Dr. Yamaka. The "heavens and the EARTH" came prior. Amazing how such a bright fellow missed that minor point, eh? On top of the lack of oxygen, water in the vacuum of space would have been ice; more accurately, vaporized instantly.
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
What a fool you are. How the flip do you know what was there or not at the beginning? You weren't even there!
revholland1 1 year ago
@revholland1 It is flipping DATA
splicedenergy 1 year ago
whoops.....3
jmcanoy1860 1 year ago
The universe didn't start with a flash of light.
JamesThWilliams 1 year ago
2 creationists clearly didn't like this vid...lol
ScienceIsKnowledge 1 year ago 18
@ScienceIsKnowledge lol, another year, and i guess 2 more found this, 4 dislikes omg.lol
pandamanman89 5 months ago
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...and 1 jealous troll, names thugthumper.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge THAT IS SUCH A REVELATION ON YOUR PART, IDIOT!! That is how believers in the religion of evolution think?
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1
Trolling a harmless comment, followed by a claim that is clearly ridiculous to any rationally minded person.
Do your self a favour and get past your 3rd grade education. Please reply, so we can all point and laugh at the funny little creationist, trying to call evolution, "philosophy"
Hahahahaha. Cheers.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge Your belief in the religion of evolution is creditable. Your religious beliefs have not set you free. YOUR RELIGION IS EVOLUTION. It is your belief system, period.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@thugthumper1 lol.
So say you..
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@thugthumper1
Define the word "evolution" in the english dictionary , then punch yourself in the face for realizing you had missed the entire concept of what "evolution" is.
ScienceIsKnowledge 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge Laugh all you want, high priest of the religion of evolution. Why would you laugh? I would laugh at you, but I actually feel sorry for you.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge I enjoy the series, actually.
thugthumper1 3 months ago
Genesis doesn't state the Sun as a star but states the Moon as a light, also places the stars, Sun, and Moon in the firmament or sky but that isn't true. Can they explain that? Galaxies rusing back to their origin? Since the Big Bang happened the formation of galaxies after that, they have been separating, not going back to their origin.
HybridD91 1 year ago
Obviously, the sun disc comes out during the day but does not cause light, just as the moon disc comes out during the night but does not cause darkness.
EvenGodsSuffer 1 year ago
Did god speak Hebrew, if so who taught him?
beyondbeyondness 1 year ago
Why didn't God just put all the science directly into the bible - explaining what he/it did!
flyingfisbeefilms 1 year ago 2
Dr David tries hard.... but he's not convincing.
KiaOra53 1 year ago
Light is created by the shift of electrons between their different levels when they are excited by energy. There can be no light without completely formed atoms.
arithine 1 year ago 17
@arithine not to mention energy, the mass equivalent!!!
jmcanoy1860 1 year ago
No, no, NO!
That's not how it happened!
Here's the real story:
watch?v=mvWdkz8Ra54
bushputz 1 year ago
It wasn't written in 1000bc, that's a crock and the oldest biblical documents ever found were only a couple hundred years bc.
JamesThWilliams 1 year ago
If the Dr. is right in that the big bang created light, genesis would be wrong because it states heaven and earth was created first, then light. Is he really trying to say that the big bang happened after the earth was created? If he is, he's wrong either way and the text don't support reality like he claims.
Quincelee 1 year ago
If your website doesn't already have a Facebook page, you should start one.
anzwertree 1 year ago
Mike rowe should do an episode of dirty jobs where he has to try to talk some sense into that crazy old jew
rocier 1 year ago
I'm going to be picky, because this is science we're talking about here. This might take a couple of posts.
#1: The light we see from stars is a product of their temperature, because their photospheres are opaque (since they are plasma) and are black body radiators. It just so happens that this is currently a product of nuclear fusion, but if you take any mass of hydrogen and heat it to the surface temperature of any star of your choosing, and it will look the same, minus absorption lines.
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago
@StubbornProgrammer
#2: At some point, the entire universe was composed of matter in essentially this state: hot plasma. It would have been opaque (meaning we can't look back and see details) but would have been constantly absorbing and radiating light energy.
#3: At some point, the matter cooled enough for protons to capture electrons, and the universe became much more transparent. When we look back at the cosmic microwave background radiation, it is the beginning of the era that we can see.
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago
@StubbornProgrammer
Caveat: I'm not a cosmologist. But that's my understanding of what went on.
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago
@StubbornProgrammer what makes you a stubborn programmer?
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree Historically, I tend to attack problems relentlessly, and I do rather enjoy programming. Add a pinch of whimsy ("StubbornProgrammer" seemed a bit more whimsical than "RelentlessProgrammer.") and voila.
What makes you an anzwertree? (AnswerTree?)
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago
@StubbornProgrammer That's a good question. I'm a computer science student, so I'm a firm believer in meaningful name. I originally started making videos back when I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I thought I knew the answers; I even went door to door telling people. Come to find out, however, the truth was a lie, and thus I fell into apostasy in 2008. The name anzwertree is basically my own oxymoron, for answers do not grow on trees, it's also a tribute to my childhood biased ideology.
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree Well, belated congratulations! I don't imagine that was an easy journey. I hope your skepticism continues to serve you well. Computer science is a great area to study (bias alert: I'm a CompSci PhD student).
StubbornProgrammer 1 year ago
@StubbornProgrammer You have no idea. College was the catalyst that did me in. Higher education was seen as selfish in the organization. By enrolling, I was marked as bad association, a rebel. So yeah, school is pretty much my life now. I hope to get a doctorate. It just takes so damn long. Maybe if I get a scholarship, I'll go through with it. If not I'll probably stop at my masters. What I really want to do is teach programming, so I might have to get my PhD eventually. Best of wishes to you
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree "The name anzwertree is basically my own oxymoron, for answers do not grow on trees...". Bravo! Well done! Ok, not exactly DONE, you are, like the rest of us, a work in progress, but now you know that. :)
AlanCFA 1 year ago
@AlanCFA You aren't joking. Coming to terms with our own ignorance is an important part of our evolution as individuals. Deception is truth's greatest lie. The biggest obstacle towards achieving truth is assuming we already know it. What good are answers when we don't even know the right questions
anzwertree 1 year ago
well done :) And I agree....there are definetly more things wrong with Genisis than a simple skewing of day and night. Looking forward to more from you on this series...peace be with
MasterOhSo 1 year ago