Seisan Kata - 1 of 2 -Angi Uezu -Isshinryu

[recurvex99]

I used to practice and teach in shelby twp MI and would be interested in finding people again out this way that still do Isshin-ryu. I still do practice now and again and when I blank something out it's nice to have these videos of master uezu. Thank you.

[HMudd69]

@recurvex99, I grew up in St. Clair Shores, MI. Started training in Isshinryu in the late 70s. My brother still studies up there (he's in Mt. Clemens). I'll ask him where he trains and let you know.

[gaboo397]

la forma mas tradicional del saisan y mas tecnica

[HMudd69]

@Banjoswagon: He does a great job doesn't he? Keep at it; you'll enjoy the style. Let us know if we can help answer any questions.

-Harry

[banjoswagon]

I'm pretty much starting isshin-ryu karate. I am following angis style and I have been learning off and on. But i have to say this mans style is perfect.

[sunsu1013]

The videos of T. Shimabuku that AOKA used to teach kata were of him on the morning before he flew out from Seattle, rather hungover,and done under duress (he didn't want to be taped, and they wouldn't take him to the airport until he'd done them). Those videos as compared to the way Uezu does the kata account for much of the difference, along with adjustments made over the years. From people that actually trained with Shimabuku, Uezu's kata are correct. After all, he was the chosen successor.

[IEKUKATAKA]

An example of classical Okinawan karate. Magnificent even though there are many who will not understand why.

[Fun52Man]

I am a black belt in Isshin-Ryu and have a question about applying the katas conents. Can anyone help me here? Are there videos and more? I do know there are pressure point movements in the forms which I was never taught.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Fun52Man You are talking about bunkai. To really understand bunkai you must understand what a martial art is, what period bunkai may be relative to Okinawan based karate, how weapons are involved and how kusho may be involved. All of these things come into play in true karate as well as what the originator had in mind. The answer, no, there are probably no videos, but I would ask you; why doesn't your teacher know?

[Sasuake1000]

Everyone Remember Jukyu (sp?) ? Is it even actually supposed to be taught? I'm told it was originally the first kata, and my intructor requires it, but it is so simple and kinda lame, that most schools/practicioners don't even know what I'm talking about, cuz I think they don't bother with it. Do you think it should be/have been dropped?

[HMudd69]

Sasuake, here is my personal opinion:

I've NEVER heard of JuKyu kata. JuKyu ("10th rank") is the rank of a white belt, not the name of a kata. Seisan has always been the first kata. I think JuKyu is something made up by someone along the way.

[786myfist]

@Sasuake1000 In the junior ranks which there is 6 of eg; rokkyu, gokyu, yonkyu,sankyu, nikyu, ikyu then after that is the dan ranks. Going upwards to the 10th dan which is judan. Jukyu has never been a kata of Isshin Ryu somebody is just messing with you.

[issunryu]

@Sasuake1000 You're thinking about the Pinan or Heian kata mostly prevalent in the Shorin systems. The name has been changed to Fukyugata Ichi, and is not part of the standard Isshinryu curriculum. My instructor learned it as well, though I don't know from whom, and teaches it to our kid's class as the movements are much simpler. The reason pinan kata were invented was to break down the complexity of the black-belt kata so it wasn't so alien to newer practitioners if I'm not mistaken.

[Sasuake1000]

Hmm....I know there must be good reason to it, that I just don't get, but why in the world, when I am told to do it a certain way by my teacher, does it seem so "bad" and "wrong" by that way when I watch an older video of a high ranked practicioner doing the same form? I'm not getting this, I see this most when I watch videos of Master Shimabuku, anyone have any ideas?

[HMudd69]

Are you saying that the higher ranking person seems to be doing it "wrong", or that what you have been taught by your instructor seems "bad"?

[Sasuake1000]

I'm not seriously meaning either, please don't misunderstand, but, based on how I've been taught, Yes, anything I've seen one of the Asian Masters do LOOKS wrong, another american of the same rank does it as I have been taught as write. Variation does not bother me and I also believe in an "evolving" art. I'm just not understanding why there's such a huge difference. I've seen too many American instructors to want to assume they were all taught wrong or something like that.

[HMudd69]

You are talking about the kata performance itself, right? Not the bunkai?

I'll have to disagree with you. I started Isshinryu back in 1977. The katas taught by Angi Uezu are the same as I learned then, with the exception of the odd movement he does during the push motions in Sanchin. I'm afraid the versions you've been seeing are the "Americanized" versions.

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[HMudd69]

If one American master years ago made a change he thought was better, then you'll now see many students doing it differently than how it was taught in Okinawa.

I'm NOT saying your version is wrong. I am saying it is not the ORIGINAL way it was taught. To ME that's wrong, but to others it's just a different way of doing it.

The fact your school had this "jukyu" kata tells me that your school's lineage is doing something different.

[pyrrhic123]

^agree, I was taught by an Okinawan native. We did things the way he learned from his uncle and he passed his knowledge on to me. We had 3 pre-don rankings (white, green, brown) and gaining a new rank was an honor. Since my training was so pure and traditional, I am very leery of Americanized schools. Sasuake, if you are learning kata that are not part of Isshin Ryu, then you are not learning Isshin Ryu.

[banjoswagon]

@pyrrhic123 Traditional is the way.

[Stickboy75]

This is exactly how we learned it with Sensei Carbone (Uezu was his Sensei). And yeah, Angi Uezu smokes it.

[mehavdatudont]

that is exactly like our seisan kata the sequence and moves are the same hte only difference is the way he does each technique. i study sukunaihayashi so i find it interesting to see that our styles arent as different as we may think.

[HMudd69]

Since Sukunaihayashi is a version of Shorinryu, it makes sense that they are they same, since Tatsuo Shimabuku took this kata direcly from Shorinryu, and made changes he thought would improve the kata. And the founders of both Sukunaihayashi and Isshinryu had the same teacher, Chotoku Kyan.

[mehavdatudont]

thanks for clarifying that for me. i am currently studying under Tensei Takae (through the ohio branch that is since he is in florida) who is Sensei Zenryo Shimabukuros' successor.

[HMudd69]

You are quite welcome, and I am glad you enjoyed it. However, I must point out that Master Uezu was a 7th dan at the time, and he is a 10th dan now. And I must disagree about Seisan being the hardest to learn. We learn it as one of the very first katas because it is easier than *most* of the others.

[August875]

Wow! Angi Uezu smoked that kata! So powerful, so fluid, and so focused. Seisan kata (Shorin-Ryu) is one of the most hardest katas to learn and Angi, being a 9th dan (degree) makes it look so damn easy! I love, Live, and breathe Ishhin-Ryu Karate!! Thank you HMudd69 for sharing!

[portalbudo]

Exelente video! Gracias por publicarlo

[demboys18]

jeez, look at that reverse punch. That first one snaped just like a whip.

[winner247jj]

dude isshinryu all the way big dawg!

[lance15d]

Friggin' awesome seeing Master Uezu in action!

[HMudd69]

Thanks. I have many more. Look for them shortly.