well. getting pregnant is a consequence of deciding to have sex. you chose to perform in the act of making a child.and you got pregnant. you can chose to do something right away instead of waiting. or just not have sex. be mroe careful???but regardless, every being has their own opinion. and whether this becomes banned or not. woman will still find ways to abort and it's dangerous. this whole controversy is just sad.....very sad.
@hiimashx To tell a woman she shouldn't have sex because she was born with the ability to GET pregnant is ignorant and grasping at straws. Perhaps I should advocate cutting the dicks off men who sleep with more than five women a month.
If women have to settle with one partner or no partners in her lifetime all for the sake of "not getting pregnant", then men should be forced to abide by the same thing.
I can't believe how much time people spend trying to justify tearing apart a fetus. It's so obviously wrong. How can people defend such a disgusting thing, and then call it a "choice". Guess words like that make them feel better about their "choice" to be so selfish.
@sweety4271984 It's only bad when Pro-Choicers defend it the right to choice, but it's okay when Pro-Lifers defend the right to life? Lol, what a damn idiot.
Oh God, please forgive us! This is horrible and shocking and I think everyone even thinking of abortion should see it! That tiny foot really broke my heart...
@MarvelousSeven And you're an idiot, passing judgement on someone all because don't agree with your bullshit. If I'm cruel for aborting something that can't feel or think until the 27th week, then I can only imagine what you'd think of me if you FORCED me to do something I didn't want to do. I would GIVE you anti-choicers a reason to leave abortion alone.
@MouthR0t I'll judge bad behavior anywhere I see it.
I think you have a hard time accepting responsibility. Really, what is the greatest responsiblity YOU have ever been entrusted with? In the US, your rights end where someone else's begins. This principle has not always been followed (i.e. slavery), but it will eventually be righted (like slavery's abolishment). Abortion similiarly places lifestyle preservation over life itself. Not potential life, but scientifically established life
@MarvelousSeven No, you consider it "bad" when it doesn't agree with you. Having a different opinion than you doesn't make someone "cruel"; it just makes you ignorant and intolerable of differing opinions.
@MouthR0t some people have a "different opinion" about rape, abuse, neglect, and murder. Some people think these things are good and right, when then are Obviously wrong and cruel. Just like abortion is Obviously wrong and cruel. So your argument sucks. Seems like you are just making things up as you go along.
@sweety4271984 Abortion is not "obviously" wrong and cruel. Rape, abuse, neglect, and murder have been illegal since the dawn of civilization in the U.S. Abortion has NOT. Abortion was legal first, then has been in a tug-o-war with idiots like you who don't know anything but "OMG ITZ A BAIBY SO ITZ MERDER."
And please, don't copy what MS says; she's more informed than you are. You trying to act like you know what you're talking about makes you look like her uneducated lackey.
@MouthR0t How do you know that an unborn child can not feel or think untill 27 weeks?
The discussion about abortion automaticly brings us to the discussion whether a fetus is alive or not. I think there is no doubt about that when you see the images made in the womb, do you?
@Linnas79 How do you know that an "unborn child" CAN feel or think until the 27 weeks if you refuse to believe in scientific and medical facts? My beliefs are backed by medical science and facts; yours, apparently, are backed by your religious beliefs, which, by all accounts, is subjective in itself. --
@MouthR0t There are just as many scientific and medical facts that state that unborn children CAN feel pain, but most of these researches are carried out by Christian scientists and you probably won't accept their results, will you?
@Linnas79 Of course I won't accept their results if they're Christian - that means automatic bias when unbiased science speaks differently.
Your religious beliefs are subjective because there is no factual evidence that your beliefs are any more true than the dozens of other religions that are practiced all over the world.
@Linnas79 -- I shouldn't have to explain that POTENTIAL life does not equal life - that growing does not equal "ITZ ALIVE", because by that logic human tumors, parasitic twins, and corpses are alive because something about them is "growing" or has human DNA, and women who miscarry should be accounted for murder.
@MouthR0t An unborn child can not be discribed as potential life, for by multiple discriptions, which do not apply on e.g. a tumor, it IS alive.
[life; The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.] - definition from dictionary
@Linnas79 More than half of that doesn't fit fetal criteria - in fact, a fetus fits more with the criteria of a parasite than anything. "... reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaption to the environment originating from within ..." can only happen in the FUTURE of a BIRTHED child - which means a fetus is POTENTIAL "life".
@MouthR0t Why get an abortion when there are other options such as giving your child up for adoption? I agree no one can be forced to raise a child they did not want, but why kill it?
@Linnas79 Why throw it into a system that is broken and corrupt, where the child has the odds stacked against them if they're not under the age of 1, cute, and white, and where they will have to survive the pedophiles and abusive, neglectful foster parents they may see in the average of three homes they will live in their time in the system if they're not out by ten years . . . when people like YOU could adopt them right on the spot if you're so concerned about someone else's rights?
@MouthR0t You have a very depressive look on the world my friend, I'm surprised you haven't yet killed yourself if you think the world is a rotten as you describe it.
Do you really believe that the outlook of a child given up for adoption is so framatic that it is better of dead? Or is it about feelings? Giving up a child for adoption is (on the short term) harder than abortion...
@Linnas79 Being "depressive" about something doesn't make someone wrong - sunshine and rainbows aren't a requirement for facts and experience, and oftentimes it takes a "depressive" person like me to wake people like you the fuck up. And if you must know, I've been depressed and suicidal most of my life - it took my last attempt on my life and a new, --
@Linnas79 -- supportive man to make me realize that I'm more valuable alive then dead. I can't protect women or other victims of society's ignorant majority if I'm dead.
Unless you've grown up in the foster care system, you know nothing to promote it as an out. I don't need to have experienced the system to know; I can just look at my fiance, his friends, and my friends that it's a horrible fucking place --
@Linnas79 -- if you're not adopted as an infant. Adoption is always the easiest, "best" solution for those who have never been in the system, been adopted, or adopted a child themselves, it seems.
im pregnant and are at hi risk of ruptures even been ofered abortion but sorry i cannot go through with i will risk my own life for this baby as i did with number 2 baby its murder
They are not babies until they come out natural as a life breathing on their own. They are dead...when they come out during abortion, they are not babies....not lifes....better this than chid abuse, neglect, abandonment turning into future crimes and welfarfe addicted popping out kids with no security.
@MyDivineTruth While I am Pro-Life and will fight for my sexual freedom and reproductive rights, I have to correct you that a fetus is not technically "alive" OR "dead"; it's simply growing into a POTENTIAL life, and won't be "alive" until it has brain activity, allowing it to dream and feel pain, which won't be such until the 27th week, give or take, at which point is already illegal to --
@MouthR0t that must be why babies born at 21 weeks have survived and, you know, did stuff upon being born that would indicate brain activity. Why don't you do some research into fetal development, such as when brain waves first begin, before you come on here and begin using Family Guy as your information source on this subject.
@MarvelousSeven Survived? They wouldn't have survived if we didn't have the medical technology to force their lungs and heart to keep functioning until they grew enough to take control of their organs themselves.
"Family Guy"? Oh, you're referring to that ONE episode that said nothing about what I've said? Lol, you're an idiot.
@MarvelousSeven You mean like coma patients? Even like Terri Schiavo? Ignoring the fact that if their brain can't keep their organs functioning without life-support then they're already dead, if they have slight brain activity, it's focusing all of that activity to reroute its neuro-pathways around the damaged tissue to then reconnect itself to the brainstem. S'why comma patients will reawaken nearly thirty years down the road. --
@MouthR0t ...and thats the slippery slope. A certain political group in 1930s-40s germany thought much like you, deciding who was and was not social desireables. Shame on you. Life is more important than money, and I will add that Schiavo was a ward of the state. Her former husband wanted the plug pulled so he could collect her life insurance policy.
@MarvelousSeven Lol, "life is more important than money" . . . until you don't have any money. Glad to know you didn't read anything I said except for that part, especially where I said that when the money runs out, the GOVERNMENT pulls the plug. I don't recall anyone, who forced that man to keep paying for her life support, giving him their own money, or attacking the insurance company for not helping more.
Glad to also know that you're resorting to Godwin's Law now.
In our modern society no one should be considered lesser due to disability, race, religion, age, gender, orientation etc. etc. etc.
As you might recall, a single judge decided to pull Schivo's plug. Only they didn't just "pull her plug". They pulled her feeding tube and letter dehydrate/starve to death over the course of six days. Real humane society you're touting.
@MarvelousSeven -- But NO ONE has that type of medical insurance or money to keep their loved ones on life support that long unless you're Bill Gates or an owner of a bank. Unless YOU'RE willing to pay strangers to keep their loved ones on life support for the SLIGHT hope that they MIGHT recover, then be my guest, but going into so much debt to where you have to file for bankruptcy and your loved one is taken off life support anyway is worthless.
@MyDivineTruth -- have abortions except in special cases.
But you are, however, correct in that children who are abandoned to the foster care system are more than twice likely to become criminals when they get out.
@MyDivineTruth so are you saying that based on your speculation alone, they should be deprived of the most fundamental of human rights?
I suggest you pop open a medical journal detailing 21st century knowledge of fetal development. What you're saying sounds like something out of the 1940s.
Anyone that APPROVES of this video is either sick or a mascocisc.....ANYONE that takes a human LIFE should have their life taken also....DAMNED is the person who took the picture of the human(not the fetus)in there hand....SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh my god... you must only use a condom... that' s all... when you are pregnant is too late... you must think about it before and if you don' t want a baby, damn, use protection!!!!!
@Sharythepug Contraception isn't 100% failproof, and because people, who think like you, have replaced proper sex ed classes with "Abstinence Only" classes, we now have people who are not educated on how to USE contraception properly for it to be truly effective.
What now, genius? Going to now claim that people just shouldn't have sex until they're ready to HAVE kids? What if people don't WANT kids? They shouldn't have sex ever, then?
@MouthR0t If they don't want kids ever they should get themselves sterilized or use Condoms AND birth control. Highly unlikely both methods will fail. I suggest spermicide as well. Get a clue.
@sweety4271984 Really? Are YOU going to pay for my $10,000 in medical bills, checkups, and loss wages, then, little girl? Or anyone else, for that matter?
And did you not read what I just said about Abstinence Only classes being taught in our schools? 46% of all US abortions are by women who've been inconsistent with birth control; 32% of that were "concerned" about --
@sweety4271984 -- contraceptive methods and 8% of that are of women who have NEVER used contraception, consistent with poverty and lack of education; however, 54% of all U.S. abortions were by women who WERE consistent with birth control and still got pregnant, 1% of which had been using long-acting contraception that INCLUDES sterilization, you damn idiot.
@MarvelousSeven Taking someone's certificates from their trashcan doesn't make you them yours, it seems. Pro-Abortion = To advocate a mindset/law that forces abortion on women who don't want abortions; Pro-Life = To advocate a mindset/law that forces women to give birth to their child when she didn't want to; Pro-Choice: To advocate a mindset/law that gives women the CHOICE to get an abortion or give birth. --
@MarvelousSeven Then you're an idiot and not worth my time if you choose to be ignorant. If Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are the same thing, then what do you call the laws in China that force women to have abortions?
@MouthR0t I call it an atrocity. China will have terrible societal issues because of it. In some villages boys out number girls 2-1. So tell me about how abortion empowers women again?
@MarvelousSeven "Atrocity" isn't what it's legally called; don't play stupid now, Ms. Two Master Degrees. If Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion, then what is China's law called when it FORCES women to get abortions? Because I know there is no U.S. law that mandates its women to get abortions - just ones that allow the women the CHOICE and then the laws people like you enforced to force women to have their children.
I'm neither for Pro-Life laws or Pro-Abortion laws. I'm Pro-Choice.
@MouthR0t oh name calling again. Typical. China's law is what I would call "state mandated pro-abortion policy". No longer is it just an obnoxious individual, there its the government. How sad. Sad also is the fact that you are pro-abortion.
@MarvelousSeven -- Hilarious that people like you don't even recognize the fact that you're taking advantage of the Pro-Choice stance by CHOOSING to give birth. We could be like China, if you'd like.
And I'm not for the "rights" of something that's not alive. I'm for the rights of those who are.
@MouthR0t CHINA! I wrote a term paper on the PRC once. Fascinating to study.
I remind you again of the "safe haven" laws. They are designed from protecting the unborn from the indignity of being tossed in a garbage can and left to expire.
So in your mind what is an unborn child before 27 weeks? A corpse? Suddenly at 27 weeks there is a jolt of lightening and "its alive!!!"???
@MarvelousSeven For someone who has two Master degrees, you sure seem to have an issue understanding my answers that you have to keep asking the same damn questions that will just get the same damn answers.
@MouthR0t and I told you my educational background was my business.
This conversation is pointless. I have destroyed every feeble arguement you put up, and now you resort to denigrating my post-grad studies? Talk about childish.
@MarvelousSeven And I told you that your education NOT your business when you make it the business of others. Next time, keep such shit to yourself if you don't want to be used against you.
@MouthR0t The way most of America still thinks, there is not choice. That baby is on his/her way, lets get ready. Maybe because I've been in situations far far from the USA where reality was what what it was, I am used to being a little more selfless than you.
But thats okay. My son and subsequent children will one day be voters. ;-)
How can people actually think that tearing a baby apart limb by limb and then crushing it's skull is ok? How can they look at pictures of a fetus pieced back together and not feel saddened? That would of been their baby. They would of looked like them. They would of loved them forever. Abortion is murder. People aren't pro-choice, they are pro-murder.
-- Educate yourself, you fools. And to Emilyiscott7 who sent me this ridiculous piece of blatant propaganda: Don't send me this shit again or I'm reporting you for spam. c:
-- it can't even feel pain until then. For it to be "murder" would imply that a fetus can survive outside the womb at 0:18 , 0:39, 1:25, 1:29.
Let's not forget that it's ALREADY illegal to have an abortion in the third trimester except in special cases (mother's life is at risk; baby won't survive birth; baby is extremely deformed or damaged; ect.), and those cases only make up 1.5% of all abortions in the US. --
@MarvelousSeven Absolutely. Out of 4,000 women getting an abortion, 60 is NOT an unreasonable number for them to have serious medical reasons for doing so. For you to think it is is rather stupid.
@MouthR0t Oh, and you can prove that these are for serious medical reasons? How did they go undetected for so long considering all the modern technology available for a pittance at our disposal?
@MarvelousSeven Can you prove that they're NOT for serious medical reasons? I'm going by the law here - if doctors are performing abortions into the third trimester without necessary cause, then it's illegal.
Lol, I love how anti-choicers have to rely of shock propaganda to get people believe that abortion is "murder" whereas Pro-Choicers have actual scientific and medical information to explain how abortion procedures actually work and what fetal growth actually entails - not by what it looks like on the outside. It's not "murder" because it doesn't have any brain activity until the 18th-27th week, which means --
2. "Pro-Choicers have actual scientific and medical information" So, this isn't actual scientific and medical information? What is it then? A fairytale?
3. "what fetal growth actually entails - not by what it looks like on the outside" So you're saying abortion is much nicer and looks completely different inside the womb?
4. " It's not "murder" because it doesn't have any brain activity until the 18th-27th week" So, ripping a living, but braindead person to bits isn't murder? They're heart may still be beating, but they don't have any brain activity, so it's ok?
@loveanddreambig 1. It's funny because only sheeple who know NOTHING about abortion would fall for pro-life propaganda such as this.
2. Scientific and medical information: 94.6% of ALL U.S. abortions performed are BEFORE the first 15 weeks. The fetus' brain and nervous system are not fully developed until the 27th week of pregnancy, but anti-choicers want to split hairs and say that the hypothalamus is developed at the 18th week --
@MarvelousSeven It still can't feel PAIN at the 18th week, and that's what you idiots always want to focus on - if it's bloody, it must be painful. At least now I know you're biased on this.
@MouthR0t You know mouthy, I hope you're right. For the sake of all the innocent unborn who have been snuffed out, I sure hope it WAS painless for them.
Biased? For having a kid? By that you're logic for not having one. By the way you conduct yourself it is very likely you are a kid yourself, or just another internets savage.
@MarvelousSeven I'm a savage for my rights as a woman and for the rights for ALL women - even for you uneducated Pro-Lifers who want to advocate laws that restrict rights from all women who don't agree that abortion is "murder".
@MouthR0t So you don't have the maturity to demonstrate a more civil demeanor? Part of being an educated grown up is to act like one, which you are not.
Why do you insist that all pro-lifers are uneducated? Thats stereotyping. I will say most pro-aborts I've met are often very well educated, but the problem is they know so much that isn't true.
@MarvelousSeven I didn't realize that I had to have a "civil demeanor" towards someone who isn't showing me the same respect for anything I say to be valid. I don't treat ignorance with civility; that would make me an enabler of continued ignorance. Only children and adults with the mentality of a child cry about how someone is not being nice to them. And I don't consider it a stereotype when I haven't met an educated Pro-Lifer yet.
@MarvelousSeven I'm telling myself that you're no different than any other uneducated Pro-Lifer I've dealt with over the last five years. If you have an issue with me having an opinion about you that you don't agree with, then you will seriously have to get over it or will have to find someone who will help you cope.
@MouthR0t But Mouthy, odds are I am better educated than you. If relegating all of your opposition to ineptitude is the one tool you have, you really aren't doing much to support your arguement. It used to be all of us pro-lifers were "bigots" until the wise among you realized that label made no sense considering the issue at hand.
@MarvelousSeven If by "rattled" you mean solidifying my belief just a little bit more that Pro-Lifers are some the most ignorant people alive, then sure.
@loveanddreambig -- , which is the part of the brain that controls the feeling of pain (though, really, it doesn't work until the nervous system is actually connected to the brain, which still isn't until the 27th week). So explain to me, then, what is so horrible about terminating a glob of flesh that isn't even sentient, much less can feel pain, until late second trimester/early third trimester, when it IS illegal to have an abortion except in special cases? --
@MouthR0t actually a few. But maybe you just know somethings that aren't true. An unborn child very early on takes on the obvious appearance of a person and has its own human genetic sequence at the moment of conception. It is not a glob of flesh at 27 weeks. Really, do yourself a favor, go to a university library and do some research. A child at 27 weeks most certainly has every sense. Ask any non-abotionist OBGYN. Old wives' tales don't cut the mustard, even on youtube.
@MarvelousSeven Of course it's going to look human and is going to have the DNA of a human - what do you expect it to resemble, a dog? What it "looks" like has no bearing on anything. If we focused on the fact that it LOOKS human, then it's murder to terminate, then women who have natural miscarriages should also be seen as murderers. --
@MouthR0t Don't be silly now. An unborn human baby is an unborn human baby no matter how you try to insinuate some superficial-subhuman status you attempt to apply. Its human because it cannot become something else.
Natural miscarriage is a sad thing, but it is not the calculated, premediated and paid for by credit card man-made institution that abortion is.
@MarvelousSeven I just said that of course it's going to be a human - humans don't give birth to dogs, and dogs don't give birth to humans. But at the end of the day, the fetus is POTENTIAL life - if it doesn't have brain activity, it's not alive. --
@MarvelousSeven Now you're just being petulant and refusing to listen to anything at this point. Real mature for someone with two Master degrees and a son.
@MarvelousSeven -- A woman getting pregnant through rape isn't calculated, premeditated or paid by credit card either. Are you saying that you're suddenly now okay with the "murder of an innocent life" if it was conceived through rape? You're either okay with it in SOME situations, or you're against it in ALL situations, including miscarriages.
@MouthR0t You do realize that planned parenthood's own numbers indicate that rape accounts for less than 1% of all reasons for abortion, yet you pro-aborts drum it like its the primary reason. Fact is its almost all elective.
Don't be silly, when I said I protect all innocent life, I meant it. Rape is a a horrible crime, natural miscarrages are sad, abortion is heartless. Don't try to flex your weak-kneed logic trap on me.
@MouthR0t "which is the part of the brain that controls the feeling of pain (though, really, it doesn't work until the nervous system is actually connected to the brain, which still isn't until the 27th week). So explain to me, then, what is so horrible about terminating a glob of flesh that isn't even sentient, much less can feel pain, until late second trimester/early third trimester, when it IS illegal to have an abortion except in special cases? --"
@MouthR0t Is seeking only sources you agree with logical? Or is it a classic analytic fallacy to see only what you want by review preferential sources? I have arrived at my conclusions by doing my human best to examine/research all aspects of abortion, social, political and physical.
@MarvelousSeven I seek unbiased medical and scientific facts. Just because those facts don't agree with your anti-choice beliefs doesn't make them suddenly biased.
@loveanddreambig -- 3. Since when is being bloody an indictiontion that something is wrong and murderous? BIRTH is just as fucking bloody and messy; ANY operation is never going to be fucking neat and clean, dumbass. If that's the case, I guess women are murderers if they have natural miscarriages, huh? What about their menstrual cycles?
4. No, it's NOT murder because I just told you it's not technically alive until it has brain activity. --
@MarvelousSeven What was the point in asking me something ridiculously stupid? If they have brain activity, they're alive,. It's not murder when you pull a brain-dead patient off life support, so it's not murder to terminate a fetus that has no brain activity.
@MouthR0t sigh....friend, go get your facts straight. Face whatever past you have to, but you need to realize that brain activity is present even in the first trimester.
I am curious to learn what your thoughts are about brain maturity. The human brain doesn't fully develop until your mid-20s. So does that make people before or after less human because less brain activity is going on?
Not stooping to your level of insults here, just curious to see where your moral compass points.
@MarvelousSeven At 27 weeks, you're cognitive of your surroundings and you can feel pain. For someone who boasts about having "two Master's degrees", I don't understand why you're having such difficulty comprehending what 27 weeks entails, and that you would ask wholly stupid and borderline-irrelevant questions that have their answers in knowing SOMETHING about fetal and brain development.
@MouthR0t Oh, so now its a certain LEVEL of congnative function that matters! Oh, this whole time you'd been saying at 27 weeks suddenly the brain switch comes on! LOL
Okay, so lets reason on this subject. Since, as I previously stated, the human mind does not fully develop until your mid 20s and slowly begins its decline soon thereafter, does that mean only people in their mid 20s are the "most" human of all? Well then I'm.
Call me stupid? Really? Thats what your down to using?
@MarvelousSeven I never said anything about the brain suddenly "switching on". I've been talking about the same thing since you started; suddenly I'm taking about something different because I used a new word, now?
You seem to be stuck on this "IF IT'S HUMAN THEN IT'S ALIVE" fallacy. Are you telling me that a human corpse is still "alive" because it's still human? What about a tumor, as it has human DNA as well and can even grown its own organs and teeth, or parasitic twins?
@MouthR0t ROFLMAO. You are too cute. A human corpse is dead. A human fetus is alive. I won't insult you though. That fruit is hanging a little too low.
@MarvelousSeven No, you keep claiming that a fetus is "alive" because it LOOKS human. Well, by your logic, a human corpse looks human, so that must mean it's also alive even when it's dead. A human tumor has human DNA, so that must mean it's also human and should be illegal to remove, same with parasitic twins. --
@MouthR0t Are you all there in the head? Seriously. A tumor isn't a person. Thats asinine. Parasitic twin, are you saying conjoined twins aren't human or something?
@MarvelousSeven -- Getting suddenly asshurt because you can't answer anything I ask without coming off fuck-stupid doesn't make you "win" anything. And that's cute, "get a life" . . . because I don't agree with you and refuse to kiss your ass? Definitely couldn't be because I've been responding to you . . . because that would mean you don't have a life either because you kept responding back.
@MouthR0t Look at the dialogue. Your position and arguement are as weak as a dandelion. Anyone looking back would say so.
I could wonder the same about you. I keep swearing I'll never internet argue again, but here I am. Out of principle I cannot allow someone like you to be unopposed. Lets not forget you drive-by-commented me first. You have no one to blame but yourself. No, it isn't someone else's fault.
@loveanddreambig -- Having a heartbeat does not equal life, especially considering that if you CAN'T have a heartbeat WITHOUT brain activity. The heartbeat of a fetus is being controlled by the MOTHER'S nervous system until the late trimester.
Again, educate yourself with cold, hard facts rather than use your emotional OPINION as a reason to claim something is wrong.
@MouthR0t I guess now is the time to announce to the world that your link discusses how a woman's hormones and adrenaline/epinephrine levels are what primarily effect fetal heart beat along with growth. Makes sense, since a woman who smokes hurts the unborn child too. But I suppose thats your idea of personal liberty.
@MarvelousSeven It doesn't "hurt" the fetus - it disrupts and perverts its growth patterns, just as alcohol and illegal drugs do. You won't get far with laws that restrict the first two because the third one still exists for crack babies to be a problem. If think banning abortion is going to stop women from getting abortion, then you know nothing about history or human desperation.
@MouthR0t "hurt" in the sense that isn't healthy. Don't be coy, you know what is meant.
People said the same thing about slavery. And to a degree, they were right. In some instances slavery was found being practiced on small, hidden scales clear up until 1940. But eventually it was stamped out and is now a paramount evil in the history books.
Actually medical and scientific facts about fetal development are what pro-aborts fear the most. How else can you explain their opposition to ultrasound technology thats been around since the 1970s? Or how they perpetuate myths the way you do about brain activity? Or react like Linda Blair to holy water when fronted with truths about 21st century knowledge about fetal development, going so far as to censor it from schools?
@MarvelousSeven I base my arguments on what people say - if you wanted something intelligent to say, then you shouldn't have given me a remark of stupidity.
There is no "fear" of the ultrasound technology; it's the fact that it is an unnecessary procedure for a patient who wants to terminate the child and she will be forced to also pay for they still want the abortion (Don't want the ultrasound? Well, you can't have the abortion), all for the sake of --
@MouthR0t Perhaps I should rephrase...the pro-abort elite don't want patients to see ultrasound. I should have been more clear.
I firmly believe you are simply resorting to sophmoric insults as a result of your inability to effectively refute anything I have stated. Meh, not that it matters. You have too much pride to admit error anyway.
@MarvelousSeven -- anti-choicers trying to dissuade women from getting the abortion, either through guilt-tripping or making it so expensive they just can't afford it considering that it's now illegal for insurance companies to cover abortion.
What do you have two Masters in if you can't understand simple logic like this? The Study of Cheese and the study of eating it?
@MouthR0t Attacking my education now, even more desperation on your end! My MAs are my business darling. Shall I be so rude as to ask you about your degrees? No.
There is no misunderstanding the logic. Those ARE pro-life tactics. Regretably most women don't realize what abortion entails and are beguiled by the pro-abort industry and their political facilitators. We educate women on the true nature of abortion and prevent the gov't advocacy of free access to it paid for by taxpayers.
@MarvelousSeven I've been attacking your education based off the stupidity you give me - more, than anything, to show you that having a Master's degree doesn't correlate with someone's ability to think reasonably, logically, or critically. Meaning, you're an idiot with two Master degrees; I'm so impressed. If your degrees are your "business", then you shouldn't have told me about them, especially when I didn't even ask to know. You can't boast about your life's accomplishments --
@MarvelousSeven -- like they're even relevant to anything, then get asshurt when they're used against you. Learn to keep your ego in check if you can't handle the consequences of not doing so.
My insulting you as I try to explain to you why you're wrong doesn't make anything I say less valid - it just makes it obvious that you would rather focus on the irrelevant than what I'm actually telling you. --
@MouthR0t How did you use them against me? Seriously, I am really puzzled by that one and have already explained why I brought it up. If you work hard, you too can earn a degree one day. Yeeessshh.....
Yes, childish insults don't emphasis, they don't intimidate, and surely don't lend much credibility to you or your cause.
@MarvelousSeven -- There is no "pro-abort elite", idiot. Lawmakers who believe something is unconstitutional and are trying to overturn them are no more an "elite" of it than the lawmakers who MAKE the unconstitutional laws. Women who want abortions are forced to PAY and undergo a procedure that offers no positive or negative relevant information for the doctor, and if she doesn't want to be go through such, then she won't be allowed the abortion. --
@MarvelousSeven -- So it's either she has to pay for a procedure she doesn't need to get an abortion, thus making the bill much higher, or she can carry the thing for the next nine months.
@MarvelousSeven I'll take that as my hint that you don't want to have an intelligent debate anymore and would now like to resort to having the mentality of your son. This is why I consider you and "your kind" uneducated and a joke.
It's pretty clear who has won this and it isn't the one who apparently had no business having a kid.
that was funny
sirsaboteur1 17 hours ago
hahahahaha
sirsaboteur1 17 hours ago
well. getting pregnant is a consequence of deciding to have sex. you chose to perform in the act of making a child.and you got pregnant. you can chose to do something right away instead of waiting. or just not have sex. be mroe careful???but regardless, every being has their own opinion. and whether this becomes banned or not. woman will still find ways to abort and it's dangerous. this whole controversy is just sad.....very sad.
hiimashx 18 hours ago
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@hiimashx To tell a woman she shouldn't have sex because she was born with the ability to GET pregnant is ignorant and grasping at straws. Perhaps I should advocate cutting the dicks off men who sleep with more than five women a month.
If women have to settle with one partner or no partners in her lifetime all for the sake of "not getting pregnant", then men should be forced to abide by the same thing.
See how fast things change if such a law existed.
MouthR0t 9 hours ago
I can't believe how much time people spend trying to justify tearing apart a fetus. It's so obviously wrong. How can people defend such a disgusting thing, and then call it a "choice". Guess words like that make them feel better about their "choice" to be so selfish.
sweety4271984 1 day ago
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@sweety4271984 It's only bad when Pro-Choicers defend it the right to choice, but it's okay when Pro-Lifers defend the right to life? Lol, what a damn idiot.
MouthR0t 20 hours ago
Oh God, please forgive us! This is horrible and shocking and I think everyone even thinking of abortion should see it! That tiny foot really broke my heart...
Linnas79 1 day ago
@Linnas79 I saw it and would still get an abortion.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t you are such a cruel person. Its almost like you are trying to convince yourself of something.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven And you're an idiot, passing judgement on someone all because don't agree with your bullshit. If I'm cruel for aborting something that can't feel or think until the 27th week, then I can only imagine what you'd think of me if you FORCED me to do something I didn't want to do. I would GIVE you anti-choicers a reason to leave abortion alone.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t I'll judge bad behavior anywhere I see it.
I think you have a hard time accepting responsibility. Really, what is the greatest responsiblity YOU have ever been entrusted with? In the US, your rights end where someone else's begins. This principle has not always been followed (i.e. slavery), but it will eventually be righted (like slavery's abolishment). Abortion similiarly places lifestyle preservation over life itself. Not potential life, but scientifically established life
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven No, you consider it "bad" when it doesn't agree with you. Having a different opinion than you doesn't make someone "cruel"; it just makes you ignorant and intolerable of differing opinions.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Watch the video this is under. You're damn right I am intolerant to the institution of abortion.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t some people have a "different opinion" about rape, abuse, neglect, and murder. Some people think these things are good and right, when then are Obviously wrong and cruel. Just like abortion is Obviously wrong and cruel. So your argument sucks. Seems like you are just making things up as you go along.
sweety4271984 1 day ago
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@sweety4271984 Abortion is not "obviously" wrong and cruel. Rape, abuse, neglect, and murder have been illegal since the dawn of civilization in the U.S. Abortion has NOT. Abortion was legal first, then has been in a tug-o-war with idiots like you who don't know anything but "OMG ITZ A BAIBY SO ITZ MERDER."
And please, don't copy what MS says; she's more informed than you are. You trying to act like you know what you're talking about makes you look like her uneducated lackey.
MouthR0t 20 hours ago
@MouthR0t How do you know that an unborn child can not feel or think untill 27 weeks?
The discussion about abortion automaticly brings us to the discussion whether a fetus is alive or not. I think there is no doubt about that when you see the images made in the womb, do you?
Linnas79 2 hours ago
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@Linnas79 How do you know that an "unborn child" CAN feel or think until the 27 weeks if you refuse to believe in scientific and medical facts? My beliefs are backed by medical science and facts; yours, apparently, are backed by your religious beliefs, which, by all accounts, is subjective in itself. --
MouthR0t 1 hour ago
@MouthR0t There are just as many scientific and medical facts that state that unborn children CAN feel pain, but most of these researches are carried out by Christian scientists and you probably won't accept their results, will you?
You call my religion subjective. May I ask why?
Linnas79 1 hour ago
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@Linnas79 Of course I won't accept their results if they're Christian - that means automatic bias when unbiased science speaks differently.
Your religious beliefs are subjective because there is no factual evidence that your beliefs are any more true than the dozens of other religions that are practiced all over the world.
MouthR0t 1 hour ago
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@Linnas79 -- I shouldn't have to explain that POTENTIAL life does not equal life - that growing does not equal "ITZ ALIVE", because by that logic human tumors, parasitic twins, and corpses are alive because something about them is "growing" or has human DNA, and women who miscarry should be accounted for murder.
MouthR0t 1 hour ago
@MouthR0t An unborn child can not be discribed as potential life, for by multiple discriptions, which do not apply on e.g. a tumor, it IS alive.
[life; The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.] - definition from dictionary
Linnas79 1 hour ago
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@Linnas79 More than half of that doesn't fit fetal criteria - in fact, a fetus fits more with the criteria of a parasite than anything. "... reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaption to the environment originating from within ..." can only happen in the FUTURE of a BIRTHED child - which means a fetus is POTENTIAL "life".
MouthR0t 1 hour ago
@MouthR0t Why get an abortion when there are other options such as giving your child up for adoption? I agree no one can be forced to raise a child they did not want, but why kill it?
Linnas79 2 hours ago
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@Linnas79 Why throw it into a system that is broken and corrupt, where the child has the odds stacked against them if they're not under the age of 1, cute, and white, and where they will have to survive the pedophiles and abusive, neglectful foster parents they may see in the average of three homes they will live in their time in the system if they're not out by ten years . . . when people like YOU could adopt them right on the spot if you're so concerned about someone else's rights?
MouthR0t 1 hour ago
@MouthR0t You have a very depressive look on the world my friend, I'm surprised you haven't yet killed yourself if you think the world is a rotten as you describe it.
Do you really believe that the outlook of a child given up for adoption is so framatic that it is better of dead? Or is it about feelings? Giving up a child for adoption is (on the short term) harder than abortion...
Linnas79 1 hour ago
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@Linnas79 Being "depressive" about something doesn't make someone wrong - sunshine and rainbows aren't a requirement for facts and experience, and oftentimes it takes a "depressive" person like me to wake people like you the fuck up. And if you must know, I've been depressed and suicidal most of my life - it took my last attempt on my life and a new, --
MouthR0t 47 minutes ago
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@Linnas79 -- supportive man to make me realize that I'm more valuable alive then dead. I can't protect women or other victims of society's ignorant majority if I'm dead.
Unless you've grown up in the foster care system, you know nothing to promote it as an out. I don't need to have experienced the system to know; I can just look at my fiance, his friends, and my friends that it's a horrible fucking place --
MouthR0t 46 minutes ago
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@Linnas79 -- if you're not adopted as an infant. Adoption is always the easiest, "best" solution for those who have never been in the system, been adopted, or adopted a child themselves, it seems.
MouthR0t 46 minutes ago
im pregnant and are at hi risk of ruptures even been ofered abortion but sorry i cannot go through with i will risk my own life for this baby as i did with number 2 baby its murder
gre270 2 days ago
@gre270 It's not murder, and your choice to keep the child doesn't not represent the entirety of the female population.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t -not
MouthR0t 1 day ago
They are not babies until they come out natural as a life breathing on their own. They are dead...when they come out during abortion, they are not babies....not lifes....better this than chid abuse, neglect, abandonment turning into future crimes and welfarfe addicted popping out kids with no security.
MyDivineTruth 2 days ago
@MyDivineTruth While I am Pro-Life and will fight for my sexual freedom and reproductive rights, I have to correct you that a fetus is not technically "alive" OR "dead"; it's simply growing into a POTENTIAL life, and won't be "alive" until it has brain activity, allowing it to dream and feel pain, which won't be such until the 27th week, give or take, at which point is already illegal to --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t Pro-Choice*
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t that must be why babies born at 21 weeks have survived and, you know, did stuff upon being born that would indicate brain activity. Why don't you do some research into fetal development, such as when brain waves first begin, before you come on here and begin using Family Guy as your information source on this subject.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Survived? They wouldn't have survived if we didn't have the medical technology to force their lungs and heart to keep functioning until they grew enough to take control of their organs themselves.
"Family Guy"? Oh, you're referring to that ONE episode that said nothing about what I've said? Lol, you're an idiot.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Many people rely on technology to keep them alive. What are your thoughts on them?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Those "many people" are already alive unless they're brain dead.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t what about partial brain activity? If even in the slightest?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven You mean like coma patients? Even like Terri Schiavo? Ignoring the fact that if their brain can't keep their organs functioning without life-support then they're already dead, if they have slight brain activity, it's focusing all of that activity to reroute its neuro-pathways around the damaged tissue to then reconnect itself to the brainstem. S'why comma patients will reawaken nearly thirty years down the road. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t ...and thats the slippery slope. A certain political group in 1930s-40s germany thought much like you, deciding who was and was not social desireables. Shame on you. Life is more important than money, and I will add that Schiavo was a ward of the state. Her former husband wanted the plug pulled so he could collect her life insurance policy.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Lol, "life is more important than money" . . . until you don't have any money. Glad to know you didn't read anything I said except for that part, especially where I said that when the money runs out, the GOVERNMENT pulls the plug. I don't recall anyone, who forced that man to keep paying for her life support, giving him their own money, or attacking the insurance company for not helping more.
Glad to also know that you're resorting to Godwin's Law now.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t So what price do YOU place on people?
Godwin's law: in your case, the shoe fits.
In our modern society no one should be considered lesser due to disability, race, religion, age, gender, orientation etc. etc. etc.
As you might recall, a single judge decided to pull Schivo's plug. Only they didn't just "pull her plug". They pulled her feeding tube and letter dehydrate/starve to death over the course of six days. Real humane society you're touting.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- But NO ONE has that type of medical insurance or money to keep their loved ones on life support that long unless you're Bill Gates or an owner of a bank. Unless YOU'RE willing to pay strangers to keep their loved ones on life support for the SLIGHT hope that they MIGHT recover, then be my guest, but going into so much debt to where you have to file for bankruptcy and your loved one is taken off life support anyway is worthless.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MyDivineTruth -- have abortions except in special cases.
But you are, however, correct in that children who are abandoned to the foster care system are more than twice likely to become criminals when they get out.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MyDivineTruth so are you saying that based on your speculation alone, they should be deprived of the most fundamental of human rights?
I suggest you pop open a medical journal detailing 21st century knowledge of fetal development. What you're saying sounds like something out of the 1940s.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
Anyone that APPROVES of this video is either sick or a mascocisc.....ANYONE that takes a human LIFE should have their life taken also....DAMNED is the person who took the picture of the human(not the fetus)in there hand....SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mnick0374 2 days ago
@mnick0374 "I AM AGAINST MURDER . . . BUT I'M OKAY FOR THE MURDER OF THOSE WHO MURDER." <-- Lol.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
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oh my god... you must only use a condom... that' s all... when you are pregnant is too late... you must think about it before and if you don' t want a baby, damn, use protection!!!!!
Sharythepug 2 days ago
@Sharythepug Contraception isn't 100% failproof, and because people, who think like you, have replaced proper sex ed classes with "Abstinence Only" classes, we now have people who are not educated on how to USE contraception properly for it to be truly effective.
What now, genius? Going to now claim that people just shouldn't have sex until they're ready to HAVE kids? What if people don't WANT kids? They shouldn't have sex ever, then?
Get a clue.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t If they don't want kids ever they should get themselves sterilized or use Condoms AND birth control. Highly unlikely both methods will fail. I suggest spermicide as well. Get a clue.
sweety4271984 2 days ago
@sweety4271984 Really? Are YOU going to pay for my $10,000 in medical bills, checkups, and loss wages, then, little girl? Or anyone else, for that matter?
And did you not read what I just said about Abstinence Only classes being taught in our schools? 46% of all US abortions are by women who've been inconsistent with birth control; 32% of that were "concerned" about --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@sweety4271984 -- contraceptive methods and 8% of that are of women who have NEVER used contraception, consistent with poverty and lack of education; however, 54% of all U.S. abortions were by women who WERE consistent with birth control and still got pregnant, 1% of which had been using long-acting contraception that INCLUDES sterilization, you damn idiot.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t nothing scares pro-aborts more than facing up to personal responsibility for their actions.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven And nothing shows lack of education more than anti-choicers who don't know the different between "pro-choice" and "pro-abortion".
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Funny you should say that. I have two master's degrees. From what I can tell, you ARE pro-abortion.
And thats another thing, there really is no "reasonable third option". You are either for the rights of the unborn or you are against them.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Taking someone's certificates from their trashcan doesn't make you them yours, it seems. Pro-Abortion = To advocate a mindset/law that forces abortion on women who don't want abortions; Pro-Life = To advocate a mindset/law that forces women to give birth to their child when she didn't want to; Pro-Choice: To advocate a mindset/law that gives women the CHOICE to get an abortion or give birth. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Nope, I reject your self-generated definitions. Do all the mental gymnastics you want, but pro-choice and pro-abortion are synonymous.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Then you're an idiot and not worth my time if you choose to be ignorant. If Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are the same thing, then what do you call the laws in China that force women to have abortions?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t I call it an atrocity. China will have terrible societal issues because of it. In some villages boys out number girls 2-1. So tell me about how abortion empowers women again?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven "Atrocity" isn't what it's legally called; don't play stupid now, Ms. Two Master Degrees. If Pro-Choice IS Pro-Abortion, then what is China's law called when it FORCES women to get abortions? Because I know there is no U.S. law that mandates its women to get abortions - just ones that allow the women the CHOICE and then the laws people like you enforced to force women to have their children.
I'm neither for Pro-Life laws or Pro-Abortion laws. I'm Pro-Choice.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t oh name calling again. Typical. China's law is what I would call "state mandated pro-abortion policy". No longer is it just an obnoxious individual, there its the government. How sad. Sad also is the fact that you are pro-abortion.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- Hilarious that people like you don't even recognize the fact that you're taking advantage of the Pro-Choice stance by CHOOSING to give birth. We could be like China, if you'd like.
And I'm not for the "rights" of something that's not alive. I'm for the rights of those who are.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t CHINA! I wrote a term paper on the PRC once. Fascinating to study.
I remind you again of the "safe haven" laws. They are designed from protecting the unborn from the indignity of being tossed in a garbage can and left to expire.
So in your mind what is an unborn child before 27 weeks? A corpse? Suddenly at 27 weeks there is a jolt of lightening and "its alive!!!"???
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven *for protecting
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven For someone who has two Master degrees, you sure seem to have an issue understanding my answers that you have to keep asking the same damn questions that will just get the same damn answers.
Again, Study of Cheese?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t and I told you my educational background was my business.
This conversation is pointless. I have destroyed every feeble arguement you put up, and now you resort to denigrating my post-grad studies? Talk about childish.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven And I told you that your education NOT your business when you make it the business of others. Next time, keep such shit to yourself if you don't want to be used against you.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t How did you use it against me? All I did was sink your assumption that I was uneducated faster than the HMS Hood.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t The way most of America still thinks, there is not choice. That baby is on his/her way, lets get ready. Maybe because I've been in situations far far from the USA where reality was what what it was, I am used to being a little more selfless than you.
But thats okay. My son and subsequent children will one day be voters. ;-)
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
How can people actually think that tearing a baby apart limb by limb and then crushing it's skull is ok? How can they look at pictures of a fetus pieced back together and not feel saddened? That would of been their baby. They would of looked like them. They would of loved them forever. Abortion is murder. People aren't pro-choice, they are pro-murder.
sweety4271984 2 days ago
@sweety4271984 Lol.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@sweety4271984 What is rationality?
FuckYeahPatMorris 2 days ago
-- Educate yourself, you fools. And to Emilyiscott7 who sent me this ridiculous piece of blatant propaganda: Don't send me this shit again or I'm reporting you for spam. c:
MouthR0t 2 days ago
-- it can't even feel pain until then. For it to be "murder" would imply that a fetus can survive outside the womb at 0:18 , 0:39, 1:25, 1:29.
Let's not forget that it's ALREADY illegal to have an abortion in the third trimester except in special cases (mother's life is at risk; baby won't survive birth; baby is extremely deformed or damaged; ect.), and those cases only make up 1.5% of all abortions in the US. --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t Whats 1.5% of 4,000 abortions per day in the US?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven 60.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t and are you comfortable with that number?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Absolutely. Out of 4,000 women getting an abortion, 60 is NOT an unreasonable number for them to have serious medical reasons for doing so. For you to think it is is rather stupid.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Oh, and you can prove that these are for serious medical reasons? How did they go undetected for so long considering all the modern technology available for a pittance at our disposal?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Can you prove that they're NOT for serious medical reasons? I'm going by the law here - if doctors are performing abortions into the third trimester without necessary cause, then it's illegal.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
Lol, I love how anti-choicers have to rely of shock propaganda to get people believe that abortion is "murder" whereas Pro-Choicers have actual scientific and medical information to explain how abortion procedures actually work and what fetal growth actually entails - not by what it looks like on the outside. It's not "murder" because it doesn't have any brain activity until the 18th-27th week, which means --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t
1. "Lol"?? How is this even remotely funny?
2. "Pro-Choicers have actual scientific and medical information" So, this isn't actual scientific and medical information? What is it then? A fairytale?
3. "what fetal growth actually entails - not by what it looks like on the outside" So you're saying abortion is much nicer and looks completely different inside the womb?
(Cont'd.)
loveanddreambig 2 days ago
4. " It's not "murder" because it doesn't have any brain activity until the 18th-27th week" So, ripping a living, but braindead person to bits isn't murder? They're heart may still be beating, but they don't have any brain activity, so it's ok?
Seriously? Get some perspective.
loveanddreambig 2 days ago
@loveanddreambig 1. It's funny because only sheeple who know NOTHING about abortion would fall for pro-life propaganda such as this.
2. Scientific and medical information: 94.6% of ALL U.S. abortions performed are BEFORE the first 15 weeks. The fetus' brain and nervous system are not fully developed until the 27th week of pregnancy, but anti-choicers want to split hairs and say that the hypothalamus is developed at the 18th week --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t My son began reacting to music at 18 weeks.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven It still can't feel PAIN at the 18th week, and that's what you idiots always want to focus on - if it's bloody, it must be painful. At least now I know you're biased on this.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t You know mouthy, I hope you're right. For the sake of all the innocent unborn who have been snuffed out, I sure hope it WAS painless for them.
Biased? For having a kid? By that you're logic for not having one. By the way you conduct yourself it is very likely you are a kid yourself, or just another internets savage.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I'm a savage for my rights as a woman and for the rights for ALL women - even for you uneducated Pro-Lifers who want to advocate laws that restrict rights from all women who don't agree that abortion is "murder".
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t So you don't have the maturity to demonstrate a more civil demeanor? Part of being an educated grown up is to act like one, which you are not.
Why do you insist that all pro-lifers are uneducated? Thats stereotyping. I will say most pro-aborts I've met are often very well educated, but the problem is they know so much that isn't true.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I didn't realize that I had to have a "civil demeanor" towards someone who isn't showing me the same respect for anything I say to be valid. I don't treat ignorance with civility; that would make me an enabler of continued ignorance. Only children and adults with the mentality of a child cry about how someone is not being nice to them. And I don't consider it a stereotype when I haven't met an educated Pro-Lifer yet.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Well, now you have. :-)
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven No, I haven't.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Whatever you have to tell yourself sugar.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I'm telling myself that you're no different than any other uneducated Pro-Lifer I've dealt with over the last five years. If you have an issue with me having an opinion about you that you don't agree with, then you will seriously have to get over it or will have to find someone who will help you cope.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t But Mouthy, odds are I am better educated than you. If relegating all of your opposition to ineptitude is the one tool you have, you really aren't doing much to support your arguement. It used to be all of us pro-lifers were "bigots" until the wise among you realized that label made no sense considering the issue at hand.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Mouthy, I need to take my family out for some weekend fun. You behave yourself on the internet. Okay?
Thanks for the engaging conversation. Hope I rattled your moral foundation a little.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven If by "rattled" you mean solidifying my belief just a little bit more that Pro-Lifers are some the most ignorant people alive, then sure.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@loveanddreambig -- , which is the part of the brain that controls the feeling of pain (though, really, it doesn't work until the nervous system is actually connected to the brain, which still isn't until the 27th week). So explain to me, then, what is so horrible about terminating a glob of flesh that isn't even sentient, much less can feel pain, until late second trimester/early third trimester, when it IS illegal to have an abortion except in special cases? --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t a lie told enough times still does not become the truth.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven What lie?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t actually a few. But maybe you just know somethings that aren't true. An unborn child very early on takes on the obvious appearance of a person and has its own human genetic sequence at the moment of conception. It is not a glob of flesh at 27 weeks. Really, do yourself a favor, go to a university library and do some research. A child at 27 weeks most certainly has every sense. Ask any non-abotionist OBGYN. Old wives' tales don't cut the mustard, even on youtube.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Of course it's going to look human and is going to have the DNA of a human - what do you expect it to resemble, a dog? What it "looks" like has no bearing on anything. If we focused on the fact that it LOOKS human, then it's murder to terminate, then women who have natural miscarriages should also be seen as murderers. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Don't be silly now. An unborn human baby is an unborn human baby no matter how you try to insinuate some superficial-subhuman status you attempt to apply. Its human because it cannot become something else.
Natural miscarriage is a sad thing, but it is not the calculated, premediated and paid for by credit card man-made institution that abortion is.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I just said that of course it's going to be a human - humans don't give birth to dogs, and dogs don't give birth to humans. But at the end of the day, the fetus is POTENTIAL life - if it doesn't have brain activity, it's not alive. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Nope. Fetus IS alive.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Now you're just being petulant and refusing to listen to anything at this point. Real mature for someone with two Master degrees and a son.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t You haven't accepted any of the supporting evidence, so I just layed down the label again.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- A woman getting pregnant through rape isn't calculated, premeditated or paid by credit card either. Are you saying that you're suddenly now okay with the "murder of an innocent life" if it was conceived through rape? You're either okay with it in SOME situations, or you're against it in ALL situations, including miscarriages.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t You do realize that planned parenthood's own numbers indicate that rape accounts for less than 1% of all reasons for abortion, yet you pro-aborts drum it like its the primary reason. Fact is its almost all elective.
Don't be silly, when I said I protect all innocent life, I meant it. Rape is a a horrible crime, natural miscarrages are sad, abortion is heartless. Don't try to flex your weak-kneed logic trap on me.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Then you advocate the punishment of women who miscarry.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t No, I don't. You are out of your mind for saying so.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- Point to me where I said that it's still a "glob of flesh" at 27 weeks? Do yourself a favor and just READ.
And yes, tell me to get my medical facts from someone who is against abortions. That's logical.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
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@MouthR0t "which is the part of the brain that controls the feeling of pain (though, really, it doesn't work until the nervous system is actually connected to the brain, which still isn't until the 27th week). So explain to me, then, what is so horrible about terminating a glob of flesh that isn't even sentient, much less can feel pain, until late second trimester/early third trimester, when it IS illegal to have an abortion except in special cases? --"
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven Lol, dumbass.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t lol, someone I am going to report for having a hacked account.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I have a hacked account? Lol, what?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Yeah, thats what it looks like. Made so you can avoid community rules.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Is seeking only sources you agree with logical? Or is it a classic analytic fallacy to see only what you want by review preferential sources? I have arrived at my conclusions by doing my human best to examine/research all aspects of abortion, social, political and physical.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I seek unbiased medical and scientific facts. Just because those facts don't agree with your anti-choice beliefs doesn't make them suddenly biased.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t no, it makes them suddenly wrong scientifically. You haven't presented much outside of a psuedo-science from the 1970s.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven You juts claimed that unbiased medical and scientific facts are wrong because they don't agree with your beliefs.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t No, because yours are out of date and obsolete.
Is english your first language?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@loveanddreambig -- 3. Since when is being bloody an indictiontion that something is wrong and murderous? BIRTH is just as fucking bloody and messy; ANY operation is never going to be fucking neat and clean, dumbass. If that's the case, I guess women are murderers if they have natural miscarriages, huh? What about their menstrual cycles?
4. No, it's NOT murder because I just told you it's not technically alive until it has brain activity. --
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t there was a baby born without a brain, so to you that baby is not alive, and it would not be possible to murder him.
sweety4271984 2 days ago
@sweety4271984 You're not alive without a brain, dumbass.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t So what are your thoughts on people with other disabilities?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven What was the point in asking me something ridiculously stupid? If they have brain activity, they're alive,. It's not murder when you pull a brain-dead patient off life support, so it's not murder to terminate a fetus that has no brain activity.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t sigh....friend, go get your facts straight. Face whatever past you have to, but you need to realize that brain activity is present even in the first trimester.
I am curious to learn what your thoughts are about brain maturity. The human brain doesn't fully develop until your mid-20s. So does that make people before or after less human because less brain activity is going on?
Not stooping to your level of insults here, just curious to see where your moral compass points.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven At 27 weeks, you're cognitive of your surroundings and you can feel pain. For someone who boasts about having "two Master's degrees", I don't understand why you're having such difficulty comprehending what 27 weeks entails, and that you would ask wholly stupid and borderline-irrelevant questions that have their answers in knowing SOMETHING about fetal and brain development.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Oh, so now its a certain LEVEL of congnative function that matters! Oh, this whole time you'd been saying at 27 weeks suddenly the brain switch comes on! LOL
Okay, so lets reason on this subject. Since, as I previously stated, the human mind does not fully develop until your mid 20s and slowly begins its decline soon thereafter, does that mean only people in their mid 20s are the "most" human of all? Well then I'm.
Call me stupid? Really? Thats what your down to using?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I never said anything about the brain suddenly "switching on". I've been talking about the same thing since you started; suddenly I'm taking about something different because I used a new word, now?
You seem to be stuck on this "IF IT'S HUMAN THEN IT'S ALIVE" fallacy. Are you telling me that a human corpse is still "alive" because it's still human? What about a tumor, as it has human DNA as well and can even grown its own organs and teeth, or parasitic twins?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t ROFLMAO. You are too cute. A human corpse is dead. A human fetus is alive. I won't insult you though. That fruit is hanging a little too low.
Okay, I am done. Get a life, I win.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven No, you keep claiming that a fetus is "alive" because it LOOKS human. Well, by your logic, a human corpse looks human, so that must mean it's also alive even when it's dead. A human tumor has human DNA, so that must mean it's also human and should be illegal to remove, same with parasitic twins. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Are you all there in the head? Seriously. A tumor isn't a person. Thats asinine. Parasitic twin, are you saying conjoined twins aren't human or something?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- Getting suddenly asshurt because you can't answer anything I ask without coming off fuck-stupid doesn't make you "win" anything. And that's cute, "get a life" . . . because I don't agree with you and refuse to kiss your ass? Definitely couldn't be because I've been responding to you . . . because that would mean you don't have a life either because you kept responding back.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Look at the dialogue. Your position and arguement are as weak as a dandelion. Anyone looking back would say so.
I could wonder the same about you. I keep swearing I'll never internet argue again, but here I am. Out of principle I cannot allow someone like you to be unopposed. Lets not forget you drive-by-commented me first. You have no one to blame but yourself. No, it isn't someone else's fault.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@loveanddreambig -- Having a heartbeat does not equal life, especially considering that if you CAN'T have a heartbeat WITHOUT brain activity. The heartbeat of a fetus is being controlled by the MOTHER'S nervous system until the late trimester.
Again, educate yourself with cold, hard facts rather than use your emotional OPINION as a reason to claim something is wrong.
MouthR0t 2 days ago
@MouthR0t "The heartbeat of a fetus is being controlled by the MOTHER'S nervous system until the late trimester"
Thats not true. I demand you furnish objective medical proof.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven pnas . org / content /106 / 33 / 13641.full
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t ht tp :/ / w w w . perinatology . co m / Fetal % 20 Monitoring / Intrapartum %20 Monitoring . htm
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven All that talks about is the RATE of a fetal heart throughout its growth.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t and what controls it...
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t I guess now is the time to announce to the world that your link discusses how a woman's hormones and adrenaline/epinephrine levels are what primarily effect fetal heart beat along with growth. Makes sense, since a woman who smokes hurts the unborn child too. But I suppose thats your idea of personal liberty.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven It doesn't "hurt" the fetus - it disrupts and perverts its growth patterns, just as alcohol and illegal drugs do. You won't get far with laws that restrict the first two because the third one still exists for crack babies to be a problem. If think banning abortion is going to stop women from getting abortion, then you know nothing about history or human desperation.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t "hurt" in the sense that isn't healthy. Don't be coy, you know what is meant.
People said the same thing about slavery. And to a degree, they were right. In some instances slavery was found being practiced on small, hidden scales clear up until 1940. But eventually it was stamped out and is now a paramount evil in the history books.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MouthR0t and pro-aborts rely on sarcasm and misinformation.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven And Anti-Choices rely on shock-imagery rather than medical and scientific facts.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Recycling rhetoric already? Tsk tsk...
Actually medical and scientific facts about fetal development are what pro-aborts fear the most. How else can you explain their opposition to ultrasound technology thats been around since the 1970s? Or how they perpetuate myths the way you do about brain activity? Or react like Linda Blair to holy water when fronted with truths about 21st century knowledge about fetal development, going so far as to censor it from schools?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I base my arguments on what people say - if you wanted something intelligent to say, then you shouldn't have given me a remark of stupidity.
There is no "fear" of the ultrasound technology; it's the fact that it is an unnecessary procedure for a patient who wants to terminate the child and she will be forced to also pay for they still want the abortion (Don't want the ultrasound? Well, you can't have the abortion), all for the sake of --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Perhaps I should rephrase...the pro-abort elite don't want patients to see ultrasound. I should have been more clear.
I firmly believe you are simply resorting to sophmoric insults as a result of your inability to effectively refute anything I have stated. Meh, not that it matters. You have too much pride to admit error anyway.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- anti-choicers trying to dissuade women from getting the abortion, either through guilt-tripping or making it so expensive they just can't afford it considering that it's now illegal for insurance companies to cover abortion.
What do you have two Masters in if you can't understand simple logic like this? The Study of Cheese and the study of eating it?
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Attacking my education now, even more desperation on your end! My MAs are my business darling. Shall I be so rude as to ask you about your degrees? No.
There is no misunderstanding the logic. Those ARE pro-life tactics. Regretably most women don't realize what abortion entails and are beguiled by the pro-abort industry and their political facilitators. We educate women on the true nature of abortion and prevent the gov't advocacy of free access to it paid for by taxpayers.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I've been attacking your education based off the stupidity you give me - more, than anything, to show you that having a Master's degree doesn't correlate with someone's ability to think reasonably, logically, or critically. Meaning, you're an idiot with two Master degrees; I'm so impressed. If your degrees are your "business", then you shouldn't have told me about them, especially when I didn't even ask to know. You can't boast about your life's accomplishments --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Ok I am "stupid" I am an "idiot", okay. What additional infantile insults can you furnish?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- like they're even relevant to anything, then get asshurt when they're used against you. Learn to keep your ego in check if you can't handle the consequences of not doing so.
My insulting you as I try to explain to you why you're wrong doesn't make anything I say less valid - it just makes it obvious that you would rather focus on the irrelevant than what I'm actually telling you. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t How did you use them against me? Seriously, I am really puzzled by that one and have already explained why I brought it up. If you work hard, you too can earn a degree one day. Yeeessshh.....
Yes, childish insults don't emphasis, they don't intimidate, and surely don't lend much credibility to you or your cause.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- There is no "pro-abort elite", idiot. Lawmakers who believe something is unconstitutional and are trying to overturn them are no more an "elite" of it than the lawmakers who MAKE the unconstitutional laws. Women who want abortions are forced to PAY and undergo a procedure that offers no positive or negative relevant information for the doctor, and if she doesn't want to be go through such, then she won't be allowed the abortion. --
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Yes there is a pro-abort elite. Its the leadership of the Democratic Party, NARAL and Planned Parenthood. Special interests all day long.
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven -- So it's either she has to pay for a procedure she doesn't need to get an abortion, thus making the bill much higher, or she can carry the thing for the next nine months.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Oh, were you trying to say something relevant?
MarvelousSeven 1 day ago
@MarvelousSeven I'll take that as my hint that you don't want to have an intelligent debate anymore and would now like to resort to having the mentality of your son. This is why I consider you and "your kind" uneducated and a joke.
It's pretty clear who has won this and it isn't the one who apparently had no business having a kid.
MouthR0t 1 day ago
@MouthR0t Right, you using words like "idiot" and "stupid" are indicative of you wielding an intelligent