I think that Armenians should take this at face value and accept the opening of the church as a gesture of amity. The Holy Cross church may be an exception but you can't restore, protect or maintain everything. One may ask how many mosques are functioning, or even still standing, in Armenia. This needs to be a two way street if it is to progress anywhere. Peace!
watch?v=5Fg28JkZ1eI this video shows what can an armenian do in battle conditions. and they did these at 1915 too. if we Turks were realy genocider and if we like armenians today there wouldnt be any armenian on the world. this is simple but brainwashed people are not able to see even this fact. @arthurkirakosyan7 it is enough waste of time i have said everything- rest is evaluation of readers
In 10th Century there was no Country named TURKEY. This area was part of Armenia and part of Byzantine Empire. So please don't do us Armenians favor restoring our churches, instead... give us the entire land back, I'm talking about the western Armenia where you killed more than 1.5 million Armenians.
fuck you modern day turk piece of shits your whole existence is a lie this fagget turk airboy52 is saying that he the "turks" kept our Armenian Churches...you dumb son of a bitch all those lands with Armenian Churches belong to Armenia you stupid bitch most of which you turkish scums have destroyed over the yrs....those churches werent built by know turk cocksucker for you to have any say in it kunem azgit lava bozzi tgha kunem et ko staastatts kaateh tapem ko yerkiri veren
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."
O. Appressian; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926
They deliberately dug up the foundation of Akhtamar church and poured cheap concrete and named it "restoration"?. In reality they have intentionally guaranteed collapse of this world treasure. Where is UNESCO to oversee such acts of vandalism?
This latest Turkish attempt of getting brownie points from International community is a poor cover up for their deliberate destruction of hundreds of medieval Armenian churches.
В мусульманской религии нет изображения Бога, тем более сына господнего Иисуса, по их вере Иисусу был просто пророком. Не могу поверить, что христиане поступили бы также. Чему же учит их Аллах, этому? Для нашего господа мы строем Церкви, а не переделываем Мечети!!
Я была внутри, они или не успели стереть, вообщем там остались изображения Иисуса Христа, св. Марии, Ангелов и Господа, а главное надписи на латыне, а рядом новые мусульманские надписи Аллах на арабском.
Тем временем пытаясь не заметно и быстро уничтожить все свидетельства того что земли на которых они живут не их. Константинополь- Стамбул, Собор св. Софии - теперь наибольшая мечеть в Стамбуле,
молодец Россия показала им где попа, но они не успокоились при первой же возможности получить больше они опять взялись за свое, во 2й мировой войне на стороне Германии и Японии, но тут опять Россия и др страны показали им дорогу.
им не модет быть стыдно, разве дьяволу стыдно за свои поступки!!!!! Когда же бог накажет эту нацию за их множествинные грехи? Греки, Армяне, эти найии больше всех пострадали от них. Но туркам всегда мало, Создали Османскую Империю, и давай убивать всех, но
Armenians have every right in Turkey fuckking wankers.. they live better then in their own country poor armenia ..
if Turkey did this or that to you..
THEN STOP IMMIGRATIN TO TURKEY fuckking wankers. . . alll armenian diaspora always spread lies and hate ... fuck you people.. this makes me want to do a REAL genocide!!! then ill show you..
There are 100K Armenians living freely in Turkey, with over 16 Armenian churches in Istanbul alone for them to worhship in as they choose! This one in Van was restored(we didn't have to do it). Now, tell us...how many Turks(or any Moslems) live in Armenia? How many Mosques are there for those Turks who may actually be living there to worship in? Dashnak Armenians killed 518K Turks, for a total of 2.5 million Moslems & non-Moslems alike before, during & after WWI! All of your lies are collapsing!
and how do you think they killed 518k turks? cannons? tanks? large armies? that is a lot of people to kill for a rebel group to accomplish. it's kind of like the Taliban killing american soldiers.
I notice that, as usual, dashnak Armenians can never answer the questions posed to them! To answer your question, w/the help of Russia, the dashnaks formed a 5th column(do you know what that is?)from which they slaughtered Turkish soldiers & civillians, as well as other Moslems &non-Moslems alike! My grandfather & what's left of his family, friends & neighbors were all survivors of the genocides committed by Armenians against Turks in Van, Kars, Erzincan, Erzurum! You killed your own people too!
It's rather interesting that Armenian Dashnaks killed over half a million turks yet there are no Armenians left in the historic Armenian homeland. I guess 1.5 million Armenians just disappeared from the face of the earth. Over 300,000 Armenians were massacred by hamidian army (1880s by sultan abdulhamid II ) daring to ask for reforms in their ancestral homeland.
They keep injecting Russia into this when in fact they've been fighting the Russians since the 17th century.
I've been exposed to/as what? As usual, a typical dashnak Armenian tactic is to make a statement without researching it first! After WWI, 600K Armenians moved to Syria to live there. Many thousands moved to Lebanon to live there. Turkey did what anyone would have done when stabbed in the back by traitors (whom they had lived w/ for 100 years) forming a 5th column! Turks simply protected themselves & their families! No Armenians were touched in Western Turkey! You dashnak Armos are so full of BS!
@SuliemanTheGreat Turks must go back to Central Asia where they came from since 11th century. Armenians were natives in that territories. Turks occupied Armenian lands and committed genocide against them. It wasn't enough for Turks so they began to destroy Armenian culture heritage to clear Armenian trace.
@everythingisahead According to your "strange" logic, the US & everyone living in North America should leave & have the native Indians take over the entire continent! DREAM ON! Man, you Armos can really be pretty stupid at times! Speaking of "genocide", when will Armos formally apologize to the families of those they massacred & caused to die by their actions (2.5 million total), from 1890-1993? How much land & money will they give to these families for their losses? Their's was a true GENOCIDE!
@SuliemanTheGreat Ok, I'm curious where some people get this notion that the "gavur" Armenians in Anatolia were capable of killing "2.5 million" turkish citizens of the Ottoman/Young Turk Nation? I really cant understand how a people considered less than human, due to their Christian beliefs, were capable militarily or simply logistically of committing mass murder? Even IF you consider the Russian help in the East do you think 2.5 millionTurks dead would be ignored by the world newspapers?
@TonyMinassian Well, first of all, you need to learn history! The total of 2.5 million people INCLUDE 518K Turks, along with Kurds, Tartars, Azeris, Georgians, Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Laz, Non-Dashnak Armenians, and Jews! They died as a RESULT of traitorous dashnak Armenian actions!! Their actions forced the hands of the Ottoman govt. to relocate everyone from the war zones (& that Armenians could no longer be trusted). People died from disease, famine, bandits & war!
@TonyMinassian Russians, French, English & Italians supplied arms & ammunition to the dashnak rebels. These rebels murdered their own people (non-dashnaks) when they refused to help the rebels murder innocent Turks & Kurds! Dressed as Ottoman soldiers, they murdered sleeping Ottoman soldiers in their barracks. They murdered the mayor of Van & his entire family(they were Armenian), then proceeded to murder over 20K Turks over a two day period! My paternal grandfather lost his whole family there!
@SuliemanTheGreat I'd be interested in seeing the documentation that sites Armenian Freedom-Fighters killing the people they were trying to free. The part I'm having a tough time with is how a rag-tag group of rabble was able to fight, and kill 2.5 million Turks? They WERE still protected by what historians consider, at the very least, a formidable army at the time. Not until the Russian offensive in the western part of Turkey in 1916 did the Armenians have any capabilities. So how?
@TonyMinassian You need to re-read my post from four days ago. As for the documentation of non-dashnak Armenians being killed by Armenian traitors/rebels, when the historical commission reviews all of the archived materials, then you'll see as much documentations as you wish. Until that time, check out the US Library of Congress. In addition, get aural descriptions from survivors of non-dashnak Armenians killed by Dro, Andronik, etc & their bands (also check the Mayor of Van's survivors).
@SuliemanTheGreat I'm quite capable of reading and understanding your comments my question to you is more on the implementation of your theory. Were Armenians killed by other Armenians? We'll have to see the "archives" you're referring to. But more importantly, how did the Armenians organize and kill off TWO AND A HALF MILLION TURKS?? Even if aided by the Russian military, they'd be fighting against one of the most powerful armies in the world at that time at organized military fronts?
@TonyMinassian Okay, what part of "AS A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS" do you not understand? Most of the dashnak 5th columns opperated in Anatolia (within the war zone with Russia). As a result of the treachary of the traitors, & to save all of the people in these areas, the Ottoman govt.'s hands were forced. Thanks to the dashnaks, they decided to relocate as many people as possible (yes, that also included Turks, Kurds, Armenians, etc.). More Turks died during the relocation than did Armenians!
@SuliemanTheGreat So let me get this straight, April 24th 1915 the Armenian intelligentsia is rounded up by the YOUNG TURK govt, (no longer Ottoman govt), and murders them. They also begin implementing the ethnic cleansing policies, but this was all in response to the "Traitorous Armenians" that had yet to organize and fight with the Russians in 1916? The 5th column was capable of undertaking a feat, that almost doubled the deaths caused by the Turkish Army?
@TonyMinassian Who told you they were murdered? They were arrested for treasonous actions! Dashnaks (ARF) always revert to the "Talat Pasha telgram/order to "exterminate Armenians". This has long since been proven to be a poor forgery and was thrown out at the 1919 Paris Conference, along with the Armenian delagation (who were "pestering like flies, all of the other delagates to get a handout"...from the French delagate aid at the conference). There never was a planned "genocide".
@SuliemanTheGreat Were these "treasonous actions" insulting "Turkishness"? Was it trying to fight for equal rights? There were Armenians who were part of the wave of revolution that overthrew the Sultanate alongside many Turkish "Friends".
@TonyMinassian You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that said that ALL Armenians are bad! No. There are many now, as there were many then, good and decent Armenians in Turkey, Armenia,the US, Europe, etc. The problem is still with the dashnaks! The ARF has even threatened President Sarkissian! This man has a vision for peace and, as a result, signed the protocols. Peace was finally on the horizon. But nooo! The ARF couldn't have that! They thrive on continuous hate mongering. That's the problem.
@SuliemanTheGreat If they were utilizing guerrilla tactics, they would have had to organize quite a force to kill off that many people, going from unarmed village to unarmed village and slaughter away as the Turkish Military stood back and watched. So I ask you again, does it seem like it would be possible for this to occur?
@TonyMinassian The first attacks by dashnaks were actually against the Kurds prior to attacks on Turks, in the 1880's. This naturally lead to retaliatory actions by Kurds, & then later by Turks. Most of the massacres were done under the auspices of the Russian Army. In Van alone, the dashnaks slaughtered over 20K Turks in a two day period (my paternal grandfather lost his family, relatives, friends & neighbors [he escaped & witnessed everything]). My uncles lost their families in Kars, etc.
@TonyMinassian Continuous attacks by dashnak Armenian on Turks, Greeks, Laz, Kurds, Persians, Arabs, Tartars, Georgians, Azeris, non-dashnak Armenians, Jews, from 1914-1922 (for the Jews, Armenians continued murdering them during WWII), compounded by disease, war, famine, ultimately lead to the total deaths of those 2.5 million people (that vast majority not having had to die had it not been for the actions of the dashnak Armenian traitors). My adopted aunt & uncle were non-dashnak Armenians!
@SuliemanTheGreat I'm still unable to reconcile your leaps of logic. What you insinuate is the Armenian "citizens" of the Ottoman/Young Turk govts, were able to carry out devastation beyond the capabilities of the Turkish Military. These Gavuur citizens weren't even considered full Turkish citizens. Many were peasants and farmers especially in the middle of the country. I'd be surprised if your aunt and uncle weren't adopted as a result of the rest of their families being slaughtered by
@TonyMinassian My adopted aunt & uncle (may they rest in peace) were survivors of the dashnak Armenians who killed their family and destroyed their village when they refused to help the dashnaks murder innocent people. They showed me 20 years ago the letters they received (written in Armenian, but which they translated for me) from the ARF dashnak hardliners, warning them to keep their mouths shut and to NEVER reveal the truth! I saw it!! Others also got them, with some moving away due to it.
@TonyMinassian You'll have a chance to, along with my grandfather's and uncle's documented accounts of the massacres of their families in Van, Kars, Erzincan and Erzurum, once the historical commission reviews EVERYONES archived materials. This will mean that Armenia must finally open their two archives to the public (the one in Yerevan and the other in Boston). If I recall, there was a letter written to the LA Times some years ago, from an Armenian man who had to move due to ARF threats.
@TonyMinassian I may even have a copy of that letter somewhere in my files. I'll check and give you the date of the letter to the Times. Right now, I have to get ready to go to a business meeting, but we'll talk again.
@SuliemanTheGreat the turkish military. Many were including my grandfather who's adoptive parents tried and failed to "Turkify" him by not allowing him to speak in Armenian, pray to a christian god, and convert to Islam.
shock, shock, barbar turks killed an armenian fan whose name is Alen Markanyan in the championchip match in front of world'S eyes.!!!! first turkish police gave him a turkish flag by force.. first watch the first video than the second one for seeing death time.
let me tell you this way fuck eu fuck us fuck armenia fuck israel fuck ya all we saw what happened EU tryin to destroy Turkey in 1919 so you all son of a bitches with no knowledge SHUTA FUCK UP
I want to kill all the people in the world with my hands by smothering. I hate people I hate me I hate god who created us(if there is a god). We are disgusting worms. I want to kill you all people.
Typical Armenian Behavior: Promoting Racism, Spreading Hatred, Being Hypocrites, Prostituing Themselves to Black Men (Like How Kim Kardashian does in Porno Movies.) LOL
Well ,we are well aware of what has hapened to all those Churches and wanted to keep it restrained areas for the military purposes for years . We recently have realised that if we as Turks and Turkey want to become a part of EU,we have started the little slow changes but it is too late for the remnants ,the destructions are already there,sorry.
we turks didnt genocide and asimulate the people in ottoman border- that is why we are guilty in fact- if we had killed or asimulated armenians greeks bulgarians acc at north africa- middle east balcans at caucasians anatolia in ottoman empire border- today there wouldnt be any of them. Ottoman cities were the only cities which have sinagog church and mosque. Half of ottomam citiziens didnt know turkish when empire collapsed. This is our sin- if we fucked them we wld be lvd
@ibuyukuran I don't understand what you're trying to say...Turkey did genocide to Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks. You guys deny it all. Raphael Lemkin the men who created the term "genocide" called it a genocide.
@arthurkirakosyan7 who cares a man called raphael Lemkin or other- we know from our ancostors- Armenian bands killed and murdered hundred thousand of muslims before 1915- also we dont deny it we say if you have proofs ; lets built a scientific comision but armenians escaping from scientific research because in fact there were no genocide- witout science you are better now every country use this genocide lie for political profits against turkey it is history but however politicans decide about it
by the way if we killed and genocide all armenian; how there are millions of armenians today? And if we are a nation who can genocide why did we wait untill we were in toruble? we could massacre all armenians while we are strong? also turkish army were out of bullets and we bought bullets from russia- how we find 1.5m bullets? if we killed 1.5m armenian where are their massgraves? it covers very huge area- also what about turkish massgraves?
We turks accept there has been masscres between people and it doesnt matter they are armenian or turk or kurd- we are sorry for all victims and murderers will go to hell to our belief too- but i have never heard from a word from an armenian about turkish victims. this is your humanity in fact racists are you but you are not able to realise it because of being brainwashed since your childness.
armenian gangs attacked turkish villages while men were at the army because they dream for great armenia and also they supported by enemy of ottoman. This cannot be disregarded- of course our enemies tried to use armenians minority. İf you were not racists you would be sorry for all victims without looking their race. have you ever listen from old muslims how armenian gangas burned and killed civiles? İF YOU WANT TURKEY TO ACCEPT İT FİRST YOU ACCEPT SCİENTİFİC COMİSSİON. TRUTHS MUST BE ACCEPTED
@ibuyukuran Who cares about Raphael Lemkin? you have any mental problems? HE CREATED THE WORD GENOCIDE!!!.... I don't even understand what you are saying so I dont see a point in arguing back. Why would Armenians kill Turks for no reason when they were living under the Ottoman Empire, that doesn't make sense to me. It would be like Armenians killing Russians during the Soviet Union when they were so much more powerful...
@arthurkirakosyan7 if rapheal lemkin say a lie; this does not make this lie real. so called armenian genocide must be searched by scientists , historians- Our prime minester offered you to build a scientific comission including all countries scientists. İf you were honest you wouldn't escape from scientific searches. this so called genocide is imperialist lie of 20. century and it is decided by politcians not historians without listening our proofs from ottoman and russian archives
@ibuyukuran Okay let me give another example of what you are saying...The person who invented the refrigerator said its used to keep things cold and someone steps up and says no its suppose to be used to keep something warm... I never said if he says a lie its true, but hes the one who came up with the word genocide...I dont think this is getting into your head. Scientific searches? what do you mean by scientific searches?
@arthurkirakosyan7 i admire your examples :D- genocide has a description. scientists historians should search it what happened at 1915 and why? jews didnt tried to built a country in germany and jews didnt killed hundred thousands of german like armenian gangs killed turks and kurds. science has metodhs. history should be searched wtih this metods. i only respect this i dont care what politicians accept or who said which.
@ibuyukuran I've never heard this before your trying to bring up science into history, that doesnt make sense. You think historians agree with the Turks? if thats the case your lying to yourself and i can easily prove you wrong. Believe it or not there were Jews who killed Germans this tends to happen when people are getting their kids kidnapped, raped, and killed, just like it did with the Armenian Genocide, there were some Armenians who attacked the soldiers.
@arthurkirakosyan7 no it is different- armenians were a tool for ottoman empire's enemes ad they played this card; first massacres started by armenian gangs tha it turned to an internal war both side'S racists attacked others. To prevent this ottoman had to send armenians to syria. it is 500.000 amenians and 50.000 of them died other 450.000 went other countries that is why today there are millions of armenians on the world today.
@ibuyukuran i dont see the point in arguing with you, you can barley speak english. I've argued with man Turks and never did they use your story, and the Turkish Government doesn't use this story so you obviously made it up just like all the other turks with all their random bullshit ideas of what happened.
@arthurkirakosyan7 there are hundreds of turkish video only in youtube about turkish massacres. Turks generally dont care that 1915 events because it is in a world war there were war at everywhere. anaolia was 7m population at 1920ss and 4-5 m of them came from balcans middle east caucasians with immigration too. greeks and armenians are racists and looking only by their side but at the other side more turks masacred happened. my family came from bulgaria and greece i know weel deaths on the way
@ibuyukuran While being deported, Armenians were killed, raped, dehydrated, and starved to death. My grandparents have told me stories about their parents and what they have seen and been through, what your saying is complete bullshit that i dont understand so i dont know what tactic to use against you.
@arthurkirakosyan7 there are massacres for both side so i am soryy for your grandparents but there are also turkish massacres and these muslim massacres were first. these massacres started by armenian gangs and it is mentioned at russian archives too. watch?v=O-2OFKdfslk&feature=youtu.be
@ibuyukuran Tell me why Armenians would attack Turks for no reason under the Ottoman Empire, how would they have had so much power, Armenians along with other Christians were treated as second class citizens, their houses couldn't look better then the Turks houses, tell me how Armenians would be able to to this.
@arthurkirakosyan7 it is very simple but you dont want to understand these massacres between sides starded by outside 50.000 armenian came from balcans with russian army. also you dont know that at ottoman army minorities were rich class- turks and muslims went to army while their best age to make money. question is this; why ottoman didnt kill armeniaans while it is a superpower and waited the worst time ? is it logical? if we were racist you wouldnt be exist - 700 years we ruled armenians.
@ibuyukuran Let me tell you something Armenians under the Ottoman Empire fought for Turkey, Armenians under Russian power fought for Russia they were citizens of those countries even if they were Armenians. Let me tell you why they waited till war because everyone was to busy with war nobody had time to help the Armenians, they were to busy thinking about their people. It was perfect timing.
@arthurkirakosyan7 you dont know ottoman empire'S miserable conditions in 1. world war. ottoman was very tired and poor, if russia didnt give us weapons we didnt have any gun against greeks in 1922.
at 1914-1915 army took from villager even their underwear. also all men were in the army and villages were nearly empty. while condition is that would you create 1.5m enemy inside? it is armenian gangs who want to use that situation for great armenia and attacked first.
also understand me well - i am not saying armenians were evil. armenians were mostly good people and innocent but imperialists used armenian gangs ant nationalist turks; ittihat ve terakki. these massacred eachother and when blood poured between 2 side, it is very hard to solve it. think that you are turk or armenian and your family killed by others- if you are not well education evil can trick you too.
@ibuyukuran It's not that hard to get soldiers with guns and tell innocent powerless people to listen to them, Turks even took the guns from the Armenian families, some people even bought guns afraid to tell the soldiers that they didn't have any. These are the stories that i have heard. Armenians didn't attack anybody Armenians are peaceful people. I don't understand why you make this crap up knowing its not true lying to yourself.
@arthurkirakosyan7 armenian gangs killed thousands of civiles we have massgraves and witness also proofs from russian archives too that is why your goverment or diaspora escape from scientific comission.
@ibuyukuran how are you going to prove to me that those were Armenian gangs who did that. Btw lets just say, which i no it is not true, if Armenian gangs did kill them why did the government take action towards the innocent people instead of the gangs??? Why did they kill so many Armenians.
@arthurkirakosyan7 Ottoman empire didint order to kill civilians- but it is hard to seperate. and there are racists at both side and in a world war conditions it was impossible to controll cases. it is easy to speak but living it is different. because of racists innocent civilians get harmed. i offer you to search zionist affect at this 1915 events; if ottoman didnt lose it's land and armenians- armenianswould be the richest class of ottoman empire and they would be richer than jews today
@ibuyukuran i mean that jews see armenias as a competitor to themselves at using petrol. to understand their strength please search rothschiller family. before 1.w.war ottoman want to join with british to battle but they didnt accept- because they had already decided to attack ottoman empire and ittihat ve terakki is zionist even ataturk say this at his book- also 50.00 armenian gangs were educeted by americans and brought by russian from caucasians. ottoman was too weak to prevent these
@ibuyukuran Talat Pasha ordered the killings. Yes I have heard stories that my ancestors have been through. I dont understand what point you are trying to make...
@arthurkirakosyan7 understand that ; these massacres started by imperialists and first they used armenian gangs. first massacres applied by armenians to muslim civilians. We Turks are ready to face our history but you dont. side which escape from scientidic comission are armenians. and these so called genocide acepted by politicians not scientists
@ibuyukuran I don't see why you even bought this video up ASALA wasn't ordered by the Armenian government to go kill people, on the other hand the Turkish soldiers were ordered to do so. It's as if someone burns themselves because of the a gang for protest, the government doesn't ordered gangs to go kill people.
@arthurkirakosyan7 ı bought this video because our armenian citiziens say at the video sth about frenchs and imperialist. you cannot explain 1915 by disregarding imperialists's plans. Turkish soldiers were not ordered by Ottoman empire- maybe ittihat ve terakki officers can do that but it is not about ottoman sultan.
there is a report that ottoman empire give orders to soldiers to share their foods with armenian immigrants if needed and also order give milk to mother armenians
this immigration is very bad of course it is not nice even to speak but there is a world war ottoman fighting against france e british greeks bulgarians italians russians acc and in borders armenian gangs too. there isnt any choice at hand
@ibuyukuran Talat Pasha said to kill even women and children. So instead what they did was rip out the fetus and kill both the baby and mother...Come on... Turkish soldiers were young and listened to what ever the elderly told them, they were told that they deserve to die and all these other things and did just that.
@ibuyukuran What do you expect me to do? I have read many documents, articles, books, and many other things about the genocide i have seen it several times. Go watch his videos, user/lairdofgarscaddon#p/u, you'll learn a lot
@arthurkirakosyan7 İ am not good at english enough to understand speech- you said ottoman empire ordered to kill armenians i have asked you a proof about it. every body can say everything but without proof it is not valid- maybe you will learn a lot if you accept scientific comission offer turkish prime minester. we trust our ancostors also we know from witness- armenian gangs killed first muslims- these massacres mentioned at russian archives from russian soldiers report to soviet state.
@ibuyukuran What kind of evidence you want me to provide you??? Tell me so I no what to show you. I have answered all your questions and you just keep asking different things, i asked you why would Armenians kill Turks for no reason? Why would they do it? I told you the whole relation between the Armenian and Russian army and how it works.
@arthurkirakosyan7 first of all writings are here and you speak illogical things here! at ottoman archives We have writings (from ottoman empire to the soldiers) and said that; give milks to mothers and if needed shared you own foods with immigrants. this is ottoman goverment'S approach- i dont believe every word without proof. profs are reports letters correspondes from archives. in fact historians can discuss this better but Armenians escaping from scientfic grounds.
@arthurkirakosyan7 i am saying a simple thing; it is a historical case at 1915- there are 2 side Armenian and Turk - you claim it was a genocide and our claim it was self defence- who is right? historians(scientists arkeologs) should collect correspondaces letters reports metarials witnesses acc and they should decide by looking them not politicians. We Turks want this we trust our ancestors and dont insult them because of a lie - if it wasnt a lie why armenians escape from scientific comision?
@ibuyukuran Look I'm tired of answering all your stupid questions when you don't answer to mine, you just keep questioning me and go with what you gotta say. Answer my questions respond to it. Who ever said anything about politicians, lets bring the historians in, almost every historian in the world is calling it a genocide, i can give you a list, there are many Turkish historians and authors as well saying that there was a genocide.You still haven't talked about what science has to do with it
@arthurkirakosyan7 if i knew better english it would be easier to understand who speaks stupid. not every historians say it was genocide. some countries accepted it as genocide without searching- these are political decisions. TURKS OFFER TO BUİLT SCİENTİFİC COMİSSİON. wATCH THE VİDEO- and armenians escape from a scientific comission. İf you trust your history like us- why dont you accept it ? watch?v=IqcjaPsJHXI
@ibuyukuran After shielding Ottoman archives from the scrutiny of critical scholars for decades, the Turkish government took a new tack in 1985: it claimed that it was finally opening Ottoman archival materials on Armenians; that nothing can be known about Armenians in Asia Minor in 1915 without reference to those archives; and that, consequently, everyone must withhold judgment about the veracity of the Armenian Genocide until such archives are fully mined.
@ibuyukuran what is mine? you expect me to write all my questions down? go reread everything and answer everything i dont have time for you, you are a brainwashed and a waste of my time
@arthurkirakosyan7 brainwashed are surely armenians - they learn to hate turks before they learn alphabet- turkish people even dont care these so called genocide shits- i have answered everything which i understood also you dont have to write comments here- if it is waste of time shut the fuck hell up. you only know to make videos and write your lies here; if you realy believe a genocide- your fuken goverment would accept our scientific comission offer- watch?v=IqcjaPsJHXI
@ibuyukuran yes brainwashed, article 301 screwed your country over and thats why you guys are brainwashed your government limits the things you can say and write. These so called genocide? The one almost historian in the world calling it a genocide, many Turkish authors and historians now realizing the truth, the creator himself of the word genocide how much more do i need to say. I've already spoken about the archives you dumb fuck, go answer my questions fucking idiot.
@arthurkirakosyan7 i have answered but you have no capability to understand- summary; if you tried to fuck; you shouldnt cry when you be fucked- article 301 forbids to insult turks and this is not strange can you insult frencha at fransa? it is enough you have no differenece from a parrot- Science will be with turks not armenians because science has scientific methods to spread out the truths- you only do political efforts and prophaganda here- we turks dont insult our ancestors for these lies
@ibuyukuran capability to understand summary? You don't have the capability to answer my questions nor to speak english. You know what the fine and prison time is if you say the genocide happened? That's what screwed you over, if someone wants their people to know the truth and tries to write a book about it the government stops them and says that they are insulting...what kind of bullshit is that? You still haven't told me what science has to do with anything.
@arthurkirakosyan7 i answered all but you couldnt understand. "You still haven't told me what science has to do with anything." i didnt understand it - but my sentences are clear; it is 1915 a historical case will be searched - if it is genocide or not? who should do this; politicians???? no ,, archeologs historians professors should do this. Our offer is simple we dont insult our ancestors because of your wishes- but if you trust your history; we already trust. lets build a comission
@ibuyukuran Archeologist? what are they going to do, what are they going to search, historians are already calling it a genocide even now in Turkey, historians are realizing the truth.
@arthurkirakosyan7 this is your approach - it is based on disregarding opposite side - A lot of historians dont accept it as genocide- and i have said thousand times countries accepted it without scientific searches for political profits. We dont escape from facing with our history but we also dont insult our ancestors for others wishes too- if there were a genocide we would be always with victims- we are muslims and we have to be against cruels whoever they are
@ibuyukuran Our scientific comission offer is not contains only turks and armenians- Erdogan said lets built a scientific comission with all world's scientists and search all archives. İf armenian diaspora and goverment were honest and trust their knowledge, they would accept it, wouldnt they? These so called genocide is imperialist lie of 20. century- Armenian gangs started massacres and it turned to an internal war - Ottoman empire didnt intend to a genocide.
@ibuyukuran There are very very few historians that say it didn't about but almost all say it has happened. You not explaining to me you fucking idiot what science has to do with it!! Yeah thats why all these terrorist happen to be Muslim, its really sad.
@arthurkirakosyan7 when you built a comission including history prefessors , archeologist , social scientist ,political scientists and pyshicologs acc we can say it scientific comission cant we ? it is a historical,social, and political case - what a stupid question you have asked it is also shows your low education. İf it is few or you trust your history why Armenians escaped from scientific comission?
@arthurkirakosyan7 What about norwey bomb? so christianity is a terrorist religion too isnt it ? with your approach it is- suiciude bombs are big sin at islam you cannot kill innocents also yourself too. if you do you go to hell- anyway you armenians are one of the most terrorist nations in the world you proved this at 1915 with armenian gangs than at 1970s with "Asala Teror Organisation" Your genethic is too suited to terorism and massacre civils
@ibuyukuran there is a certain list that gets checked if you are born in a certain place and traveling to the U.S you get searched way more seriously, this list is mostly Islamic nations, there is a reason for that. Thats why they got promised 40 virgins or w.e ey? You're a fucking dumbass you kill 1.5million Armenians (genocide) and then you get mad when some private group kills not even a 100 of your people. Thats doesn't mean Armenians are terrorist.
@arthurkirakosyan7 a muslim never do sth for 40 virgins- it is only a description and dont think it as if it is like this lie world -- a real muslim afraid too much from god and hell- this fear is more dominant- westernians are making prophaganda and we learn every day another shits from them :D you cant tell me my religion- it is me who lived it since 27 years i learned it by living not from zionist media and prophagandas like you learned.
@arthurkirakosyan7 you again started to be a parrot- we didnt kill 1.5m armenian it is nearly more than total armenian population :D even this number shows your ignorance, any way it is historians job and when you armenians give up from escaping a scientific discussion truths will be understood- armeian gangs killed thousands of civile in 1915- in 1970 asala and in 1990s karabagh massacres. even pkk is a bit armenian . Armenians are genethically terrorist nation
@ibuyukuran 1.5million was not over the Armenian population lmao! Look im tired of responding to your stupid bullshit that i already responded to, your the one being a parrot. I explained asala to you, the whole karabagh thing, azerbaijan wanted war, we gave them war and got our land back. end of discussion. The PKK consists of only Kurds not Armenians. you haven't proved to me how Armenians are terrorist yet....when you think terrorist religion, what comes to mind? Christians? ye right muslim.
@arthurkirakosyan7 there is a strong relation between armenians and pkk- there are also armenian members and some kurds change their identity as "alevi kurds" in past. you dont know anything. have you ever calculated how much place needed to hide 1.5m human bones? if there is a genocide where are they now? You become brainless because of prophaganda. terrorists are imperialist countries and their foolish people believe what they say to them. 11 sept. made by them too not poor afghans
@ibuyukuran There is a strong relation between Turkey and the Holocaust. STOP lying there are no Armenians in PKK get over it. Ill send you the video of some the mass graves, there is conspiracy theory for everything which is true which isn't? i dont know and neither do you so stop acting like u do.
dont be sure. say me, why we didnt remove this church until now? do you know why?... we had many chance for this until 1980's. but why it wasnt removed?
You suck! But you guys still didnt put everything back! I think its this church...But if it was, then you still didnt put back that huge cross! NOw you guys wanna kill more poeple! Kurds! the turkish government, army or whatever are shellling kurdish areas in northern iraq were Kurdish rebels live, areas, and even innocent people!! Whats wrong with you turkish people! Turkey admit your guilt! As Serj Tankian Said "Its time for the turkish government to pay for their fucking crimes!"
good they deserve all that for killing turks maing up armenian genocide and backstabbing and stealing from us.have any of u guys looked at the turkish part of the story
nobody listens to a murderers side of story,they just accuse and punish them..imagine a world where people listen to what murderers or maniacs have to say ....
you know, all of you are totally pathetic, low-lifes. get a grip. armenians should be thankful to turkish govt for doing this renovation - w/out one dime of armenian money, and at the risk of embarrassing themselves, but they had the balls to do it. so, shut up and be thankful, be happy. plus, it shows exactly where the selcuks got all their architecture...from their armenian architects.
Turkey! .... Time to own up to your country's genocidal history!
BoudiccaBlanc 1 month ago
I think that Armenians should take this at face value and accept the opening of the church as a gesture of amity. The Holy Cross church may be an exception but you can't restore, protect or maintain everything. One may ask how many mosques are functioning, or even still standing, in Armenia. This needs to be a two way street if it is to progress anywhere. Peace!
outsidelight1 5 months ago
shame on turkey!
turkey has committed countless crimes against humanity and continues to do so.
nuneh 6 months ago
watch?v=Q2JKnV4eVjA&feature=channel_video_title
00thelastottoman00 7 months ago
watch?v=5Fg28JkZ1eI this video shows what can an armenian do in battle conditions. and they did these at 1915 too. if we Turks were realy genocider and if we like armenians today there wouldnt be any armenian on the world. this is simple but brainwashed people are not able to see even this fact. @arthurkirakosyan7 it is enough waste of time i have said everything- rest is evaluation of readers
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
at 1915 armenians did terrorism by armenian gangs -> watch?v=G2FFYTf-3ho
at 1970 armenians did terrorism by Asala and killed turkish diplomats by bombing at europe watch?v=XH6QxXAoBbQ
at 1980 s PKK builded by armenian origin kurds
at 1990s Hocali massacre watch?v=5Fg28JkZ1eI watch?v=dOkNPl73Rv0
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
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ibuyukuran 7 months ago
sorry my english is bad- armenians came from caucasians not balcans.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
FUCK ARMENIA
bright391 9 months ago
@bright391 FUCK YOU. YOU TALK TURKEY.
livingdream1234 8 months ago
@livingdream1234 soonly discussions like this will ended. WE WAIT ORDER TO ATTACK. and the whole world will see who is more powerful.
bright391 8 months ago
In 10th Century there was no Country named TURKEY. This area was part of Armenia and part of Byzantine Empire. So please don't do us Armenians favor restoring our churches, instead... give us the entire land back, I'm talking about the western Armenia where you killed more than 1.5 million Armenians.
motreby 11 months ago
Go to heel poor hayesss
Samir2271 1 year ago
We can´t hear the voices of our LITTLE enemies, because TURKEY is the biggest and stongest country of its region.
Long live TURKEY and AZERBAIJAN
xxTurquiaxx 1 year ago
yea fuck turkey
rapinbkallday 1 year ago
fuck you modern day turk piece of shits your whole existence is a lie this fagget turk airboy52 is saying that he the "turks" kept our Armenian Churches...you dumb son of a bitch all those lands with Armenian Churches belong to Armenia you stupid bitch most of which you turkish scums have destroyed over the yrs....those churches werent built by know turk cocksucker for you to have any say in it kunem azgit lava bozzi tgha kunem et ko staastatts kaateh tapem ko yerkiri veren
FucKUrLiFeX3 1 year ago
why all mosgues dissappered in yerevan????at least we keep churches;)look yourself than blame the others.
airboy52 1 year ago
blashemy! But the time for the Turks is near
mpoukoma 1 year ago
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"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."
O. Appressian; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926
celal2 1 year ago
that is right! GO TO HELL MOTHER FUCKER turks!!!!
MrAcur97 1 year ago
They deliberately dug up the foundation of Akhtamar church and poured cheap concrete and named it "restoration"?. In reality they have intentionally guaranteed collapse of this world treasure. Where is UNESCO to oversee such acts of vandalism?
This latest Turkish attempt of getting brownie points from International community is a poor cover up for their deliberate destruction of hundreds of medieval Armenian churches.
Urartu1 2 years ago
В мусульманской религии нет изображения Бога, тем более сына господнего Иисуса, по их вере Иисусу был просто пророком. Не могу поверить, что христиане поступили бы также. Чему же учит их Аллах, этому? Для нашего господа мы строем Церкви, а не переделываем Мечети!!
TheElen23 2 years ago
Я была внутри, они или не успели стереть, вообщем там остались изображения Иисуса Христа, св. Марии, Ангелов и Господа, а главное надписи на латыне, а рядом новые мусульманские надписи Аллах на арабском.
TheElen23 2 years ago
@TheElen23
Akilli oL AkiLLi . Xiyar ti yubuciy
Darecans 1 year ago
Тем временем пытаясь не заметно и быстро уничтожить все свидетельства того что земли на которых они живут не их. Константинополь- Стамбул, Собор св. Софии - теперь наибольшая мечеть в Стамбуле,
TheElen23 2 years ago
Опасайтесь люди эта нация олицетворение всего дявольского, и они опять ждут момента.
TheElen23 2 years ago
молодец Россия показала им где попа, но они не успокоились при первой же возможности получить больше они опять взялись за свое, во 2й мировой войне на стороне Германии и Японии, но тут опять Россия и др страны показали им дорогу.
TheElen23 2 years ago
им не модет быть стыдно, разве дьяволу стыдно за свои поступки!!!!! Когда же бог накажет эту нацию за их множествинные грехи? Греки, Армяне, эти найии больше всех пострадали от них. Но туркам всегда мало, Создали Османскую Империю, и давай убивать всех, но
TheElen23 2 years ago
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Armenians have every right in Turkey fuckking wankers.. they live better then in their own country poor armenia ..
if Turkey did this or that to you..
THEN STOP IMMIGRATIN TO TURKEY fuckking wankers. . . alll armenian diaspora always spread lies and hate ... fuck you people.. this makes me want to do a REAL genocide!!! then ill show you..
Mhenlomatras 2 years ago
We have to be friendly and love each other. We have lived for 1000 years together. I mean i went to a Armenian church once, its beautiful inside.
TheTurkishMurat 2 years ago
turkam doljno bit stidno!!!!! oni osramili drevnie armyanskie zerkvi!!!!!!!!!pust Bog ih nakajet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vikko4ka 2 years ago
There are 100K Armenians living freely in Turkey, with over 16 Armenian churches in Istanbul alone for them to worhship in as they choose! This one in Van was restored(we didn't have to do it). Now, tell us...how many Turks(or any Moslems) live in Armenia? How many Mosques are there for those Turks who may actually be living there to worship in? Dashnak Armenians killed 518K Turks, for a total of 2.5 million Moslems & non-Moslems alike before, during & after WWI! All of your lies are collapsing!
SuliemanTheGreat 2 years ago
and how do you think they killed 518k turks? cannons? tanks? large armies? that is a lot of people to kill for a rebel group to accomplish. it's kind of like the Taliban killing american soldiers.
gosdanian 2 years ago 2
I notice that, as usual, dashnak Armenians can never answer the questions posed to them! To answer your question, w/the help of Russia, the dashnaks formed a 5th column(do you know what that is?)from which they slaughtered Turkish soldiers & civillians, as well as other Moslems &non-Moslems alike! My grandfather & what's left of his family, friends & neighbors were all survivors of the genocides committed by Armenians against Turks in Van, Kars, Erzincan, Erzurum! You killed your own people too!
SuliemanTheGreat 2 years ago
It's rather interesting that Armenian Dashnaks killed over half a million turks yet there are no Armenians left in the historic Armenian homeland. I guess 1.5 million Armenians just disappeared from the face of the earth. Over 300,000 Armenians were massacred by hamidian army (1880s by sultan abdulhamid II ) daring to ask for reforms in their ancestral homeland.
They keep injecting Russia into this when in fact they've been fighting the Russians since the 17th century.
You've been exposed!
TurkAzgeKunem 2 years ago 2
I've been exposed to/as what? As usual, a typical dashnak Armenian tactic is to make a statement without researching it first! After WWI, 600K Armenians moved to Syria to live there. Many thousands moved to Lebanon to live there. Turkey did what anyone would have done when stabbed in the back by traitors (whom they had lived w/ for 100 years) forming a 5th column! Turks simply protected themselves & their families! No Armenians were touched in Western Turkey! You dashnak Armos are so full of BS!
SuliemanTheGreat 2 years ago
@SuliemanTheGreat Turks must go back to Central Asia where they came from since 11th century. Armenians were natives in that territories. Turks occupied Armenian lands and committed genocide against them. It wasn't enough for Turks so they began to destroy Armenian culture heritage to clear Armenian trace.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead According to your "strange" logic, the US & everyone living in North America should leave & have the native Indians take over the entire continent! DREAM ON! Man, you Armos can really be pretty stupid at times! Speaking of "genocide", when will Armos formally apologize to the families of those they massacred & caused to die by their actions (2.5 million total), from 1890-1993? How much land & money will they give to these families for their losses? Their's was a true GENOCIDE!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat Ok, I'm curious where some people get this notion that the "gavur" Armenians in Anatolia were capable of killing "2.5 million" turkish citizens of the Ottoman/Young Turk Nation? I really cant understand how a people considered less than human, due to their Christian beliefs, were capable militarily or simply logistically of committing mass murder? Even IF you consider the Russian help in the East do you think 2.5 millionTurks dead would be ignored by the world newspapers?
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian Well, first of all, you need to learn history! The total of 2.5 million people INCLUDE 518K Turks, along with Kurds, Tartars, Azeris, Georgians, Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Laz, Non-Dashnak Armenians, and Jews! They died as a RESULT of traitorous dashnak Armenian actions!! Their actions forced the hands of the Ottoman govt. to relocate everyone from the war zones (& that Armenians could no longer be trusted). People died from disease, famine, bandits & war!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian Russians, French, English & Italians supplied arms & ammunition to the dashnak rebels. These rebels murdered their own people (non-dashnaks) when they refused to help the rebels murder innocent Turks & Kurds! Dressed as Ottoman soldiers, they murdered sleeping Ottoman soldiers in their barracks. They murdered the mayor of Van & his entire family(they were Armenian), then proceeded to murder over 20K Turks over a two day period! My paternal grandfather lost his whole family there!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat I'd be interested in seeing the documentation that sites Armenian Freedom-Fighters killing the people they were trying to free. The part I'm having a tough time with is how a rag-tag group of rabble was able to fight, and kill 2.5 million Turks? They WERE still protected by what historians consider, at the very least, a formidable army at the time. Not until the Russian offensive in the western part of Turkey in 1916 did the Armenians have any capabilities. So how?
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian You need to re-read my post from four days ago. As for the documentation of non-dashnak Armenians being killed by Armenian traitors/rebels, when the historical commission reviews all of the archived materials, then you'll see as much documentations as you wish. Until that time, check out the US Library of Congress. In addition, get aural descriptions from survivors of non-dashnak Armenians killed by Dro, Andronik, etc & their bands (also check the Mayor of Van's survivors).
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat I'm quite capable of reading and understanding your comments my question to you is more on the implementation of your theory. Were Armenians killed by other Armenians? We'll have to see the "archives" you're referring to. But more importantly, how did the Armenians organize and kill off TWO AND A HALF MILLION TURKS?? Even if aided by the Russian military, they'd be fighting against one of the most powerful armies in the world at that time at organized military fronts?
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian Okay, what part of "AS A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS" do you not understand? Most of the dashnak 5th columns opperated in Anatolia (within the war zone with Russia). As a result of the treachary of the traitors, & to save all of the people in these areas, the Ottoman govt.'s hands were forced. Thanks to the dashnaks, they decided to relocate as many people as possible (yes, that also included Turks, Kurds, Armenians, etc.). More Turks died during the relocation than did Armenians!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat So let me get this straight, April 24th 1915 the Armenian intelligentsia is rounded up by the YOUNG TURK govt, (no longer Ottoman govt), and murders them. They also begin implementing the ethnic cleansing policies, but this was all in response to the "Traitorous Armenians" that had yet to organize and fight with the Russians in 1916? The 5th column was capable of undertaking a feat, that almost doubled the deaths caused by the Turkish Army?
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian Who told you they were murdered? They were arrested for treasonous actions! Dashnaks (ARF) always revert to the "Talat Pasha telgram/order to "exterminate Armenians". This has long since been proven to be a poor forgery and was thrown out at the 1919 Paris Conference, along with the Armenian delagation (who were "pestering like flies, all of the other delagates to get a handout"...from the French delagate aid at the conference). There never was a planned "genocide".
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat Were these "treasonous actions" insulting "Turkishness"? Was it trying to fight for equal rights? There were Armenians who were part of the wave of revolution that overthrew the Sultanate alongside many Turkish "Friends".
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that said that ALL Armenians are bad! No. There are many now, as there were many then, good and decent Armenians in Turkey, Armenia,the US, Europe, etc. The problem is still with the dashnaks! The ARF has even threatened President Sarkissian! This man has a vision for peace and, as a result, signed the protocols. Peace was finally on the horizon. But nooo! The ARF couldn't have that! They thrive on continuous hate mongering. That's the problem.
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat If they were utilizing guerrilla tactics, they would have had to organize quite a force to kill off that many people, going from unarmed village to unarmed village and slaughter away as the Turkish Military stood back and watched. So I ask you again, does it seem like it would be possible for this to occur?
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian The first attacks by dashnaks were actually against the Kurds prior to attacks on Turks, in the 1880's. This naturally lead to retaliatory actions by Kurds, & then later by Turks. Most of the massacres were done under the auspices of the Russian Army. In Van alone, the dashnaks slaughtered over 20K Turks in a two day period (my paternal grandfather lost his family, relatives, friends & neighbors [he escaped & witnessed everything]). My uncles lost their families in Kars, etc.
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian Continuous attacks by dashnak Armenian on Turks, Greeks, Laz, Kurds, Persians, Arabs, Tartars, Georgians, Azeris, non-dashnak Armenians, Jews, from 1914-1922 (for the Jews, Armenians continued murdering them during WWII), compounded by disease, war, famine, ultimately lead to the total deaths of those 2.5 million people (that vast majority not having had to die had it not been for the actions of the dashnak Armenian traitors). My adopted aunt & uncle were non-dashnak Armenians!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat I'm still unable to reconcile your leaps of logic. What you insinuate is the Armenian "citizens" of the Ottoman/Young Turk govts, were able to carry out devastation beyond the capabilities of the Turkish Military. These Gavuur citizens weren't even considered full Turkish citizens. Many were peasants and farmers especially in the middle of the country. I'd be surprised if your aunt and uncle weren't adopted as a result of the rest of their families being slaughtered by
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian My adopted aunt & uncle (may they rest in peace) were survivors of the dashnak Armenians who killed their family and destroyed their village when they refused to help the dashnaks murder innocent people. They showed me 20 years ago the letters they received (written in Armenian, but which they translated for me) from the ARF dashnak hardliners, warning them to keep their mouths shut and to NEVER reveal the truth! I saw it!! Others also got them, with some moving away due to it.
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat I would be very interested in seeing these letters.
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian You'll have a chance to, along with my grandfather's and uncle's documented accounts of the massacres of their families in Van, Kars, Erzincan and Erzurum, once the historical commission reviews EVERYONES archived materials. This will mean that Armenia must finally open their two archives to the public (the one in Yerevan and the other in Boston). If I recall, there was a letter written to the LA Times some years ago, from an Armenian man who had to move due to ARF threats.
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@TonyMinassian I may even have a copy of that letter somewhere in my files. I'll check and give you the date of the letter to the Times. Right now, I have to get ready to go to a business meeting, but we'll talk again.
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat the turkish military. Many were including my grandfather who's adoptive parents tried and failed to "Turkify" him by not allowing him to speak in Armenian, pray to a christian god, and convert to Islam.
TonyMinassian 1 year ago
shock, shock, barbar turks killed an armenian fan whose name is Alen Markanyan in the championchip match in front of world'S eyes.!!!! first turkish police gave him a turkish flag by force.. first watch the first video than the second one for seeing death time.
watch?v=55L1VxpKU1E
watch?v=Z7zxM7dDAmY
ibuyukuran 2 years ago
let me tell you this way fuck eu fuck us fuck armenia fuck israel fuck ya all we saw what happened EU tryin to destroy Turkey in 1919 so you all son of a bitches with no knowledge SHUTA FUCK UP
OTTOMAN FOR LIFe ;)
kerowcn 3 years ago
Hey Osman eshag oghlu. Ottoman empire you killed you mongoloid sicko.
I am an Adana teacher with a big knife (family tradition).
You want to join your forgotten SOB grandfather or relatives from the north.
The south, we took care of them.
Once eshak always eshak.
Kisses.
paul130258 2 years ago
I want to kill all the people in the world with my hands by smothering. I hate people I hate me I hate god who created us(if there is a god). We are disgusting worms. I want to kill you all people.
kzd444 3 years ago
typical turkic behaviour: burning houses, cutting trees, ending civilizaiton, destroying graves.
iranium2008 3 years ago 4
iran is so pathetic also fucking people everywhere in the world are disgusting
kzd444 3 years ago
Typical Armenian Behavior: Promoting Racism, Spreading Hatred, Being Hypocrites, Prostituing Themselves to Black Men (Like How Kim Kardashian does in Porno Movies.) LOL
AnatolianPhilosopher 2 years ago
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ChillingatLidl 8 months ago
@iranium2008 the same as serbians
ChillingatLidl 8 months ago
Well ,we are well aware of what has hapened to all those Churches and wanted to keep it restrained areas for the military purposes for years . We recently have realised that if we as Turks and Turkey want to become a part of EU,we have started the little slow changes but it is too late for the remnants ,the destructions are already there,sorry.
SafkanOsmansoylu 3 years ago
ARMENIAN 4 LIFE
go to hell turkey most hated race on earth!!
arthurkirakosyan7 3 years ago 9
@arthurkirakosyan7
we turks didnt genocide and asimulate the people in ottoman border- that is why we are guilty in fact- if we had killed or asimulated armenians greeks bulgarians acc at north africa- middle east balcans at caucasians anatolia in ottoman empire border- today there wouldnt be any of them. Ottoman cities were the only cities which have sinagog church and mosque. Half of ottomam citiziens didnt know turkish when empire collapsed. This is our sin- if we fucked them we wld be lvd
ibuyukuran 8 months ago
@ibuyukuran I don't understand what you're trying to say...Turkey did genocide to Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks. You guys deny it all. Raphael Lemkin the men who created the term "genocide" called it a genocide.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 who cares a man called raphael Lemkin or other- we know from our ancostors- Armenian bands killed and murdered hundred thousand of muslims before 1915- also we dont deny it we say if you have proofs ; lets built a scientific comision but armenians escaping from scientific research because in fact there were no genocide- witout science you are better now every country use this genocide lie for political profits against turkey it is history but however politicans decide about it
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
by the way if we killed and genocide all armenian; how there are millions of armenians today? And if we are a nation who can genocide why did we wait untill we were in toruble? we could massacre all armenians while we are strong? also turkish army were out of bullets and we bought bullets from russia- how we find 1.5m bullets? if we killed 1.5m armenian where are their massgraves? it covers very huge area- also what about turkish massgraves?
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
We turks accept there has been masscres between people and it doesnt matter they are armenian or turk or kurd- we are sorry for all victims and murderers will go to hell to our belief too- but i have never heard from a word from an armenian about turkish victims. this is your humanity in fact racists are you but you are not able to realise it because of being brainwashed since your childness.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
armenian gangs attacked turkish villages while men were at the army because they dream for great armenia and also they supported by enemy of ottoman. This cannot be disregarded- of course our enemies tried to use armenians minority. İf you were not racists you would be sorry for all victims without looking their race. have you ever listen from old muslims how armenian gangas burned and killed civiles? İF YOU WANT TURKEY TO ACCEPT İT FİRST YOU ACCEPT SCİENTİFİC COMİSSİON. TRUTHS MUST BE ACCEPTED
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Who cares about Raphael Lemkin? you have any mental problems? HE CREATED THE WORD GENOCIDE!!!.... I don't even understand what you are saying so I dont see a point in arguing back. Why would Armenians kill Turks for no reason when they were living under the Ottoman Empire, that doesn't make sense to me. It would be like Armenians killing Russians during the Soviet Union when they were so much more powerful...
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 if rapheal lemkin say a lie; this does not make this lie real. so called armenian genocide must be searched by scientists , historians- Our prime minester offered you to build a scientific comission including all countries scientists. İf you were honest you wouldn't escape from scientific searches. this so called genocide is imperialist lie of 20. century and it is decided by politcians not historians without listening our proofs from ottoman and russian archives
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Okay let me give another example of what you are saying...The person who invented the refrigerator said its used to keep things cold and someone steps up and says no its suppose to be used to keep something warm... I never said if he says a lie its true, but hes the one who came up with the word genocide...I dont think this is getting into your head. Scientific searches? what do you mean by scientific searches?
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 i admire your examples :D- genocide has a description. scientists historians should search it what happened at 1915 and why? jews didnt tried to built a country in germany and jews didnt killed hundred thousands of german like armenian gangs killed turks and kurds. science has metodhs. history should be searched wtih this metods. i only respect this i dont care what politicians accept or who said which.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran I've never heard this before your trying to bring up science into history, that doesnt make sense. You think historians agree with the Turks? if thats the case your lying to yourself and i can easily prove you wrong. Believe it or not there were Jews who killed Germans this tends to happen when people are getting their kids kidnapped, raped, and killed, just like it did with the Armenian Genocide, there were some Armenians who attacked the soldiers.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 no it is different- armenians were a tool for ottoman empire's enemes ad they played this card; first massacres started by armenian gangs tha it turned to an internal war both side'S racists attacked others. To prevent this ottoman had to send armenians to syria. it is 500.000 amenians and 50.000 of them died other 450.000 went other countries that is why today there are millions of armenians on the world today.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran i dont see the point in arguing with you, you can barley speak english. I've argued with man Turks and never did they use your story, and the Turkish Government doesn't use this story so you obviously made it up just like all the other turks with all their random bullshit ideas of what happened.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 there are hundreds of turkish video only in youtube about turkish massacres. Turks generally dont care that 1915 events because it is in a world war there were war at everywhere. anaolia was 7m population at 1920ss and 4-5 m of them came from balcans middle east caucasians with immigration too. greeks and armenians are racists and looking only by their side but at the other side more turks masacred happened. my family came from bulgaria and greece i know weel deaths on the way
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran While being deported, Armenians were killed, raped, dehydrated, and starved to death. My grandparents have told me stories about their parents and what they have seen and been through, what your saying is complete bullshit that i dont understand so i dont know what tactic to use against you.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 there are massacres for both side so i am soryy for your grandparents but there are also turkish massacres and these muslim massacres were first. these massacres started by armenian gangs and it is mentioned at russian archives too. watch?v=O-2OFKdfslk&feature=youtu.be
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Tell me why Armenians would attack Turks for no reason under the Ottoman Empire, how would they have had so much power, Armenians along with other Christians were treated as second class citizens, their houses couldn't look better then the Turks houses, tell me how Armenians would be able to to this.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 it is very simple but you dont want to understand these massacres between sides starded by outside 50.000 armenian came from balcans with russian army. also you dont know that at ottoman army minorities were rich class- turks and muslims went to army while their best age to make money. question is this; why ottoman didnt kill armeniaans while it is a superpower and waited the worst time ? is it logical? if we were racist you wouldnt be exist - 700 years we ruled armenians.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Let me tell you something Armenians under the Ottoman Empire fought for Turkey, Armenians under Russian power fought for Russia they were citizens of those countries even if they were Armenians. Let me tell you why they waited till war because everyone was to busy with war nobody had time to help the Armenians, they were to busy thinking about their people. It was perfect timing.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 you dont know ottoman empire'S miserable conditions in 1. world war. ottoman was very tired and poor, if russia didnt give us weapons we didnt have any gun against greeks in 1922.
at 1914-1915 army took from villager even their underwear. also all men were in the army and villages were nearly empty. while condition is that would you create 1.5m enemy inside? it is armenian gangs who want to use that situation for great armenia and attacked first.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
also understand me well - i am not saying armenians were evil. armenians were mostly good people and innocent but imperialists used armenian gangs ant nationalist turks; ittihat ve terakki. these massacred eachother and when blood poured between 2 side, it is very hard to solve it. think that you are turk or armenian and your family killed by others- if you are not well education evil can trick you too.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran It's not that hard to get soldiers with guns and tell innocent powerless people to listen to them, Turks even took the guns from the Armenian families, some people even bought guns afraid to tell the soldiers that they didn't have any. These are the stories that i have heard. Armenians didn't attack anybody Armenians are peaceful people. I don't understand why you make this crap up knowing its not true lying to yourself.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 armenian gangs killed thousands of civiles we have massgraves and witness also proofs from russian archives too that is why your goverment or diaspora escape from scientific comission.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran how are you going to prove to me that those were Armenian gangs who did that. Btw lets just say, which i no it is not true, if Armenian gangs did kill them why did the government take action towards the innocent people instead of the gangs??? Why did they kill so many Armenians.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 Ottoman empire didint order to kill civilians- but it is hard to seperate. and there are racists at both side and in a world war conditions it was impossible to controll cases. it is easy to speak but living it is different. because of racists innocent civilians get harmed. i offer you to search zionist affect at this 1915 events; if ottoman didnt lose it's land and armenians- armenianswould be the richest class of ottoman empire and they would be richer than jews today
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran i mean that jews see armenias as a competitor to themselves at using petrol. to understand their strength please search rothschiller family. before 1.w.war ottoman want to join with british to battle but they didnt accept- because they had already decided to attack ottoman empire and ittihat ve terakki is zionist even ataturk say this at his book- also 50.00 armenian gangs were educeted by americans and brought by russian from caucasians. ottoman was too weak to prevent these
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Talat Pasha ordered the killings. Yes I have heard stories that my ancestors have been through. I dont understand what point you are trying to make...
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 understand that ; these massacres started by imperialists and first they used armenian gangs. first massacres applied by armenians to muslim civilians. We Turks are ready to face our history but you dont. side which escape from scientidic comission are armenians. and these so called genocide acepted by politicians not scientists
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
watch?v=SELkc3r__tY
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran I don't see why you even bought this video up ASALA wasn't ordered by the Armenian government to go kill people, on the other hand the Turkish soldiers were ordered to do so. It's as if someone burns themselves because of the a gang for protest, the government doesn't ordered gangs to go kill people.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 ı bought this video because our armenian citiziens say at the video sth about frenchs and imperialist. you cannot explain 1915 by disregarding imperialists's plans. Turkish soldiers were not ordered by Ottoman empire- maybe ittihat ve terakki officers can do that but it is not about ottoman sultan.
there is a report that ottoman empire give orders to soldiers to share their foods with armenian immigrants if needed and also order give milk to mother armenians
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
this immigration is very bad of course it is not nice even to speak but there is a world war ottoman fighting against france e british greeks bulgarians italians russians acc and in borders armenian gangs too. there isnt any choice at hand
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Talat Pasha said to kill even women and children. So instead what they did was rip out the fetus and kill both the baby and mother...Come on... Turkish soldiers were young and listened to what ever the elderly told them, they were told that they deserve to die and all these other things and did just that.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 1-)what is your proof about it ? i mean at which offical document talat pasha ordered soldiers to kill ?
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran What do you expect me to do? I have read many documents, articles, books, and many other things about the genocide i have seen it several times. Go watch his videos, user/lairdofgarscaddon#p/u, you'll learn a lot
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 İ am not good at english enough to understand speech- you said ottoman empire ordered to kill armenians i have asked you a proof about it. every body can say everything but without proof it is not valid- maybe you will learn a lot if you accept scientific comission offer turkish prime minester. we trust our ancostors also we know from witness- armenian gangs killed first muslims- these massacres mentioned at russian archives from russian soldiers report to soviet state.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran What kind of evidence you want me to provide you??? Tell me so I no what to show you. I have answered all your questions and you just keep asking different things, i asked you why would Armenians kill Turks for no reason? Why would they do it? I told you the whole relation between the Armenian and Russian army and how it works.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 first of all writings are here and you speak illogical things here! at ottoman archives We have writings (from ottoman empire to the soldiers) and said that; give milks to mothers and if needed shared you own foods with immigrants. this is ottoman goverment'S approach- i dont believe every word without proof. profs are reports letters correspondes from archives. in fact historians can discuss this better but Armenians escaping from scientfic grounds.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran okay as you say show me the proof. You still haven't prove to me what science has to do with the Armenian Genocide.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 i am saying a simple thing; it is a historical case at 1915- there are 2 side Armenian and Turk - you claim it was a genocide and our claim it was self defence- who is right? historians(scientists arkeologs) should collect correspondaces letters reports metarials witnesses acc and they should decide by looking them not politicians. We Turks want this we trust our ancestors and dont insult them because of a lie - if it wasnt a lie why armenians escape from scientific comision?
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Look I'm tired of answering all your stupid questions when you don't answer to mine, you just keep questioning me and go with what you gotta say. Answer my questions respond to it. Who ever said anything about politicians, lets bring the historians in, almost every historian in the world is calling it a genocide, i can give you a list, there are many Turkish historians and authors as well saying that there was a genocide.You still haven't talked about what science has to do with it
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 if i knew better english it would be easier to understand who speaks stupid. not every historians say it was genocide. some countries accepted it as genocide without searching- these are political decisions. TURKS OFFER TO BUİLT SCİENTİFİC COMİSSİON. wATCH THE VİDEO- and armenians escape from a scientific comission. İf you trust your history like us- why dont you accept it ? watch?v=IqcjaPsJHXI
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Yeah stop using that as an excuse and let it go. I didn't say every i said most. And heres my answer about the archives...
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Turkish archives are open Because they rewrote the history and whatever they have is not presenting the truth about Armenian Genocide.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran After shielding Ottoman archives from the scrutiny of critical scholars for decades, the Turkish government took a new tack in 1985: it claimed that it was finally opening Ottoman archival materials on Armenians; that nothing can be known about Armenians in Asia Minor in 1915 without reference to those archives; and that, consequently, everyone must withhold judgment about the veracity of the Armenian Genocide until such archives are fully mined.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 how you know that ? tell to the comission if one day armenians give up from escaping scientific comission.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran i'm sick of you repeating ur questions and you not answering mine...
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 what is yours ? only write the question
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran what is mine? you expect me to write all my questions down? go reread everything and answer everything i dont have time for you, you are a brainwashed and a waste of my time
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 brainwashed are surely armenians - they learn to hate turks before they learn alphabet- turkish people even dont care these so called genocide shits- i have answered everything which i understood also you dont have to write comments here- if it is waste of time shut the fuck hell up. you only know to make videos and write your lies here; if you realy believe a genocide- your fuken goverment would accept our scientific comission offer- watch?v=IqcjaPsJHXI
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran yes brainwashed, article 301 screwed your country over and thats why you guys are brainwashed your government limits the things you can say and write. These so called genocide? The one almost historian in the world calling it a genocide, many Turkish authors and historians now realizing the truth, the creator himself of the word genocide how much more do i need to say. I've already spoken about the archives you dumb fuck, go answer my questions fucking idiot.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 i have answered but you have no capability to understand- summary; if you tried to fuck; you shouldnt cry when you be fucked- article 301 forbids to insult turks and this is not strange can you insult frencha at fransa? it is enough you have no differenece from a parrot- Science will be with turks not armenians because science has scientific methods to spread out the truths- you only do political efforts and prophaganda here- we turks dont insult our ancestors for these lies
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran capability to understand summary? You don't have the capability to answer my questions nor to speak english. You know what the fine and prison time is if you say the genocide happened? That's what screwed you over, if someone wants their people to know the truth and tries to write a book about it the government stops them and says that they are insulting...what kind of bullshit is that? You still haven't told me what science has to do with anything.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 w w w ermenisorunu (.) gen (.) tr
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran im not gonna go to any bullshit websites ive seen it all
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 you also dont have to bullshit comment on everything too
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran i respond to your answers and points but you dont...its sad really is
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 i answered all but you couldnt understand. "You still haven't told me what science has to do with anything." i didnt understand it - but my sentences are clear; it is 1915 a historical case will be searched - if it is genocide or not? who should do this; politicians???? no ,, archeologs historians professors should do this. Our offer is simple we dont insult our ancestors because of your wishes- but if you trust your history; we already trust. lets build a comission
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Archeologist? what are they going to do, what are they going to search, historians are already calling it a genocide even now in Turkey, historians are realizing the truth.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 this is your approach - it is based on disregarding opposite side - A lot of historians dont accept it as genocide- and i have said thousand times countries accepted it without scientific searches for political profits. We dont escape from facing with our history but we also dont insult our ancestors for others wishes too- if there were a genocide we would be always with victims- we are muslims and we have to be against cruels whoever they are
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran Our scientific comission offer is not contains only turks and armenians- Erdogan said lets built a scientific comission with all world's scientists and search all archives. İf armenian diaspora and goverment were honest and trust their knowledge, they would accept it, wouldnt they? These so called genocide is imperialist lie of 20. century- Armenian gangs started massacres and it turned to an internal war - Ottoman empire didnt intend to a genocide.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran There are very very few historians that say it didn't about but almost all say it has happened. You not explaining to me you fucking idiot what science has to do with it!! Yeah thats why all these terrorist happen to be Muslim, its really sad.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 when you built a comission including history prefessors , archeologist , social scientist ,political scientists and pyshicologs acc we can say it scientific comission cant we ? it is a historical,social, and political case - what a stupid question you have asked it is also shows your low education. İf it is few or you trust your history why Armenians escaped from scientific comission?
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 What about norwey bomb? so christianity is a terrorist religion too isnt it ? with your approach it is- suiciude bombs are big sin at islam you cannot kill innocents also yourself too. if you do you go to hell- anyway you armenians are one of the most terrorist nations in the world you proved this at 1915 with armenian gangs than at 1970s with "Asala Teror Organisation" Your genethic is too suited to terorism and massacre civils
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran there is a certain list that gets checked if you are born in a certain place and traveling to the U.S you get searched way more seriously, this list is mostly Islamic nations, there is a reason for that. Thats why they got promised 40 virgins or w.e ey? You're a fucking dumbass you kill 1.5million Armenians (genocide) and then you get mad when some private group kills not even a 100 of your people. Thats doesn't mean Armenians are terrorist.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 a muslim never do sth for 40 virgins- it is only a description and dont think it as if it is like this lie world -- a real muslim afraid too much from god and hell- this fear is more dominant- westernians are making prophaganda and we learn every day another shits from them :D you cant tell me my religion- it is me who lived it since 27 years i learned it by living not from zionist media and prophagandas like you learned.
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 you again started to be a parrot- we didnt kill 1.5m armenian it is nearly more than total armenian population :D even this number shows your ignorance, any way it is historians job and when you armenians give up from escaping a scientific discussion truths will be understood- armeian gangs killed thousands of civile in 1915- in 1970 asala and in 1990s karabagh massacres. even pkk is a bit armenian . Armenians are genethically terrorist nation
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran 1.5million was not over the Armenian population lmao! Look im tired of responding to your stupid bullshit that i already responded to, your the one being a parrot. I explained asala to you, the whole karabagh thing, azerbaijan wanted war, we gave them war and got our land back. end of discussion. The PKK consists of only Kurds not Armenians. you haven't proved to me how Armenians are terrorist yet....when you think terrorist religion, what comes to mind? Christians? ye right muslim.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
@arthurkirakosyan7 there is a strong relation between armenians and pkk- there are also armenian members and some kurds change their identity as "alevi kurds" in past. you dont know anything. have you ever calculated how much place needed to hide 1.5m human bones? if there is a genocide where are they now? You become brainless because of prophaganda. terrorists are imperialist countries and their foolish people believe what they say to them. 11 sept. made by them too not poor afghans
ibuyukuran 7 months ago
@ibuyukuran There is a strong relation between Turkey and the Holocaust. STOP lying there are no Armenians in PKK get over it. Ill send you the video of some the mass graves, there is conspiracy theory for everything which is true which isn't? i dont know and neither do you so stop acting like u do.
arthurkirakosyan7 7 months ago
7000 KILISEMIZ VAR tukiada
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ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS WORLDWIDE LIE
ekremyildiz 3 years ago
one wprd: Propaganda.
EN BUYUK TURKIYE!!!
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PopPankRock 4 years ago
TURKS ARE FANATIQUE
apo443 4 years ago
dont be sure. say me, why we didnt remove this church until now? do you know why?... we had many chance for this until 1980's. but why it wasnt removed?
Mekayhan 4 years ago
destruction of Armenian cultural properties in Turkey?
did u idiots know turkey restored akdamar church with our money ?
you retard armenians dont deserve anysh!T
swatzz 4 years ago
You suck! But you guys still didnt put everything back! I think its this church...But if it was, then you still didnt put back that huge cross! NOw you guys wanna kill more poeple! Kurds! the turkish government, army or whatever are shellling kurdish areas in northern iraq were Kurdish rebels live, areas, and even innocent people!! Whats wrong with you turkish people! Turkey admit your guilt! As Serj Tankian Said "Its time for the turkish government to pay for their fucking crimes!"
19skip77 4 years ago
im also kurd & believe me kurds isnt target of turkey,
read something about pkk,
they arent rebel
they are TERRORISTS
& they killed 15 kurd last month,
Usa, europe, russia & armenians are supporters of Thoose terrorists for attacking turkey,
they filled brains of ignorant kurds with a country bullshit,
its a part of big middle east project
swatzz 4 years ago 2
Im interested about this, but i still hate those turkish bastards!
19skip77 4 years ago
How much you got paid to say so.
jake5525 4 years ago
2.6 million YTL
its Around 2.3 million USD
swatzz 4 years ago
sorry my first post was wrong,
they paid total 1.5 million usd for restoration
swatzz 4 years ago
Turks you´re all bastards!
Your grandparents took our armenian women, and so you probably you all have armenian blood!
Poor Alah - he must be sad in heaven while He sees what you sucker ottomans killed in His name!
dyfpedrosa 4 years ago
while we suffering from terrorism supported by armenians in van area we couldnt find time to restore uncongregationed church sorry
archerarcher2 4 years ago
dogs have no shame!!!
uncle818 4 years ago 2
good they deserve all that for killing turks maing up armenian genocide and backstabbing and stealing from us.have any of u guys looked at the turkish part of the story
gurelscarfaceturkish 4 years ago
nobody listens to a murderers side of story,they just accuse and punish them..imagine a world where people listen to what murderers or maniacs have to say ....
titer2000 4 years ago
ok there guy who likes hitlers tits
u guys are all gaylordfuck u guys turks have other things in mind
gurelscarfaceturkish 4 years ago
MALADEC AXCHIK JAN
ArtieARM 4 years ago
you know, all of you are totally pathetic, low-lifes. get a grip. armenians should be thankful to turkish govt for doing this renovation - w/out one dime of armenian money, and at the risk of embarrassing themselves, but they had the balls to do it. so, shut up and be thankful, be happy. plus, it shows exactly where the selcuks got all their architecture...from their armenian architects.
pazmashen 4 years ago
I Can say only one thing.FUCK Armenia and Armenian Supporters.
NYPOLICE 4 years ago