i have built and rebuilt nissans for years , and i my opinion , overall they CAN perform better ...... but one thing in my opinion muscle will win 100 % of the time in the FUN department , and most of us are not really racing ... so my bias is towards jap , but muscle is FUN ! and thats what counts
let this be known: Anyone who says "Imports Suck" is a fucking fat, inbred white trash bitch who knows not worth shit about cars and drives a Corsica.
@DarkSlayer487 When you look at production performance cars , muscle is way behind and getting worse every year , Have a look at 2011 winners list for the Moscow Unlim
Top ten cars are GTR , Porsche , Lambo and a Viper running near the 10th !
@DarkSlayer487 now lets put some handling into the equation. yeah the LS1 may keep up with it in a straight line, but how about on a real road coarse? where the driver has to apply brakes and come into a corner and speed out a corner.
@superchargedAMG actually, while mine is only good to about 550hp on the stock pistons and rods, the block and crank and cylinder heads have made over 2400hp with a pair of turbos. And the 03-04 cobra, which is about 375lbs heavier than mine, has an engine and trans that will take over 1000whp fine.
@Milehighsnake98 well, right now im essentially talking out my ass, cause im much to lazy to look shit up, but any amount of money that a supra could do 550 hp on stock pistons and rods.
@superchargedAMG Absolutely, the Supra Turbo has an incredibly stout bottom end that has made upwards of 800whp with the right turbo. The problem is, if you look at a dyno chart of those cars, they make about 100ft-lb torque below 5000rpm. I actually overlayed a STOCK Acura RSX Type S 2.0L 4cyl dyno chart with an 800whp supra. The stock RSX made more HP and more torque up to about 5500rpm. Of course, the Supra was ahead by more than 200hp at 6000...
Trust me, I've seen plenty of chicks driving Camaro's so don't try to say that Mustang convertibles are "girl cars". I myself would rather have a hardtop GT but just because it's convertible doesn't make a girly. Some of those v6 Mustangs have power!
good to get the difference of cars at beginning.. my souls with the imports.. more to do with them.. more fun.. more applicable.. muscle just cant keep up with the times and theyre falling too far behind to ever catch up anymore.. only thing left to say now is.. Boom!!...
Good video .... Americans made the first cars americans had the first drag cars muscle cars americans even had the first track cars nd tracks its called nascar for u ricers nd if u wana race pure motor vs pure motor lets do it....well win... If u wana slap a turbo or a supercharger well still win... The only thing ur good at is drifting nd thats bunch b.s. I bet u couldnt even control my 9 sec trans am if it kicked sideways ....
@RstarGTA first of all they dont even make ford gt's anymore because they sucked and mustangs are slow as hell they are for girls. Didnt you watch the video. Try a ls1 trans am ws6. Thats a real muscle car. Gm power!!!!!
Here's the diffrence between a muscle car and a tuner. A muscle car looks bad ass from the moment you see it. No body kits are needed and they dont need a loud exhaust for you to know their powerful as hell. Tuners on the other hand, they need kits, engine upgrades, body kits and yet they still dont look as threating and powerful as a muscle car. GO CHEVY! Expecially the Camaro!!!
@68chargerlover okay its then called the ferrari 280 gto rice boy. and the f40 never had nitrous dumbass and it was bone stock! and wtf?! soo caroll shelby never went fast?!
@PD19954 so your car is factory, you turn on your computer in your moms basement and you built your car on your video game, good for you kido. Now put down the jelly doughnut and run outside and play, let the big people talk cars okay, remember kids are to be seen not heard ! lol
@PD19954 no a rice burner is a car made by jap, riceboys are their drivers thats where it came from, trust me kid i've been around alot longer then you, you are a ricer, like i'm a musclehead, I live and breath muscle cars, I love the sound of a big block and the masive torque that comes from an American muscle car, no other car made has the attitude, style and class of the muscle cars.
@68chargerlover again riceburner can be anyone and your proving it over and over again. as for being around longer you may have but you have NO idea what your speaking of. as for muscle head no your a rice boy that gives REAL car enthusiests like myself a very bad name.
@PD19954 no a riceburner is a car made from china or japan. Your and insult to all car guys and girls world wild. You only know the supra and have no clue on any other cars. I would give you props for being a car guy if you knew cars at all, but no your just stuck on jap cars.
@68chargerlover no kid again unlike you the word has evolved. i only know the supra?! LMFAO wow your ignorance spews agian. I hve no clue on any other cars? lmfao again keep the ignorance coming dumbass. you claim to know about EVERY car.
stuck on jap cars? i love fast cars in general, i love a 756 ci Kenny belle blown 2500bhp dodge dart(voodoo childe's car) as much as I do a plymoth road runner with a shaker hood and all the other bells and wistles as much as i love a 1uzfe pwrd(cont) supra
@68chargerlover true im still learning about old school muscle but all in all i love fast cars. i just hate ingoran t rice boys like you and your hypocrital goodness.
@PD19954 I'm not the ignorant one kido, i've owned both muscle cars, sports& tuners. I know there are fast muscle cars and slow ones, as well as sports cars & tuners. YOU on the other hand think the supra is a super exotic car and the fastest in the world when its just a jap sports car with a 6cyl with forced induction. No super secret technoloy or super engine. Any engine can have forced induction and can be made fast, but on the other hand bigger is better.Be happy with what you have
@68chargerlover not ignorant? arent you the one who said the supra is a low end japanese sports car, said that there are no classic japanese cars around, and that an import cannot make power without nitrous and/or turbos but when i showed you one that did you didnt respond to that? i am very happy with what i have but im not going to let ignorant rice boys like you give great cars import or domestic bad names. tuners eh? so youve opwned hondas as well?
@68chargerlover, and not an exotic? it is a RARE car built with at tthe time exptic materials and shit loads more.
just one with fi and six cylinders? yes lets ignore the areodynamics, engineering, racing heritage, forged internals and the fact its one of the rare japanese engines that can handle so much power on stock internals
@PD19954 And it is a low end jap sports car. I have owned all kinds of cars not just one and thought it was the greatest car ever made. And you do need forced indutcion to make your car fast or nitrous.
@PD19954 lets see top end isnt 29th place on the sports car list. And yes it needs tons of boost and nitrous to be fast. It maybe rare but so is the pinto and gremlin, that dont make them exotics. Get off your high horse kido, and enjoy your car instead of trying to make it something its not.
no but it is on road and tracks TOP THREE RIOCE BOY. tons of boost?! hot soup's car was on STOCK turbos and 15psi when he reached mid 10s on the 1/4 and the blitz supra was on 10 psi dumbass which is stock. and nitrous?! both those cars had ZERO nitroucs! . again your comparing a rare exotic sports car to a fucking pinto.. wow you REALLY know about cars there kid.
@68chargerlover Seriously, weather you like tuners or not, the supra has a HELL of a reputation, and for good reason. Give some fucking respect where its due.
@superchargedAMG I gave it respect, but its no big deal, the chowder head I was talking to thinks its a super car and its engine is a piece of jap super technoloy. its just a jap sports car
@superchargedAMG it seems you are a fanboy, the tuners wouldnt be what they are without the muscle cars, exotics and sports cars, japan wanted fast cars too so they could try to compete.There are lots of cars with way bigger reps then the supra, its just a jap sports car, not a legend of the car world like others.You must be thirteen or have a thing for guys to be so interested in dicks and mouths? Sorry to turn you down but I'm a true car guy who loves tits and wheels I dont swing your way.
@68chargerlover Yeah, and thank you american muscle for producing the most tunable platform known to man. And auctually, yeah there are a few, (porsche 911, nissan r34.....) and give me any old domestics, cause no matter how you put it those things cant corner for shit. New, yes, and the zr1 has a rep, but not the same rep the supra has. And im a real car guy too, I just perfer the best to the cars for those who are compensating for their baby sized penis. (old camaros, mustangs, challengers)
@68chargerlover Woooah, "kiddo" supra not special? So let me get this straight. a 20 year old car, whos engine was one of the first to be able to withstand the stress of 1000 hp, had 2 less cylinders then any of the american competition, and holds (or held, not sure) the texas mile record is just another tuner? And your also saying that domestics cant be rice? Ever heard of a fucking neon? At least hondas are reliable, holy shit. Get smart, then come back.
@superchargedAMG Listen my obtuse friend. Most of the supras didnt put out 300hp only the last year other then that they had 150 to 200 hp. The sti puts out 300 hp and it has 2 less cyl does that make it better? Gee I wonder what gives it the power uhmm can we say turbo? Some people turn up the boost and some put on bigger turbos, its no new technology. Any engine can take that power, hell look at a cummins that can put out 2000hp on a stock engine and its a 6 cyl.
@68chargerlover You completely ignoring the texas mile record and the insane tuneability, and the fact that the supra is from the 90's and the cummins is current. And thats just wrong, not any engine will be able to withstand 1000 hp, and the fact that this 3 litre can handle such large turbos is a perfect example of spectacular engineering. You really think the supra got its insane rep for no reason? Youve really gotta get the dick out of your mouth..
@superchargedAMG no one really runs the texas mile, see how it does around nurenburgring if its so great, or see how it competes at the saltflats. Show me a supra breaking 300mph or running 8000hp.There were supras before the 90s but they didnt have the 300 hp of the ones in the 90s. Both cummins and the 2jz are inline 6s. And get real theres alot of engines that can take 1000hp. I know engines that run 1000hp without forced induction like the supra needs.Theres no special enineering
@68chargerlover No one really runs the texas mile...does that void the record that the supra holds? (or held, i have no idea) And is that statement to say that every other car that runs there is slow? Give me a break, the supra is as legendary as the toyota prius is gay. (thats saying something.) And yeah, cummins are good engines but whats the displacement? 6.7 and 5.9 litres? as opposed to a 3.0 from the 90s? And yeah, if you have an incredibly large engine, its not that hard to get 1000 hp.
@superchargedAMG Apple to apples son. The Buick 3.8 tpi turbo is a better motor than the 2jze or any other variant of toyota's venerable straight six's due to dollar per HP, parts availability (and two [not prone to warp nearly as much as a straight six] cylinder heads). Almost a dead heat in power potential. No need to go naming truck diesels 'n shit.
@MegaDoogish yeah parts availability in the u.s. anywhere else, forget it. buicks a good engine, and was alot of car for the money no doubt, but the supra is better in terms of weight, steering connectivity, and most of all, it had a manual transmission. (not sure if the buick came with one) and im not gonna go too far into detail cause i dont know alot about the gnx but if that buicks so great, how come theyre going for 15k while supra rz's are going for 30k+?
@superchargedAMG Show me a supra thats broken 300mph or gone 0-60 in less then 4sec. My point on the cumins is on it being another inline 6 with forced induction. Any engine can have forced induction and make power, the supra isnt a super special engine with top secret jap only technology. Its just a 6banger with forced induction thats it.Dont get me wrong the supra can be a fast car but there are way better.
@68chargerlover yeah, and my point is that for its time, it was fucking legendary in the respect that it was and still is one of the most desired, tuneable, durable, responsive engines ever made. a cummins is good, yes, but if every car manufacturer fut all their money into a specific type of engine, theyd make good engines too. and im sure there are drag spec supras that do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds.
@superchargedAMG Not really, its just not many cars went with the turbos yet, everyone knew that real power came from the real legends the big blocks v8s. And the supra didnt start to get fast till the later models the first supras were slow. They are no different then the sti and evo are today, a small engine with forced induction. Any engine can have forced indution, the bigger the motor the more the hp. And no there are no drag supras that even get close to 4s. V8s are the way to go.
@68chargerlover the "real power" came from big blocks...well, not exactly. The lamborghini countach had a 5.2 litre v12 that made roughly the same power as any of the big block v8's, as well as the mclaren f1, which is still the fastest naturally aspirated car ever made. the ferrari 288 gto isnt as powerful, but was more revolutionary for its time than any american car has ever been. the european engines a werend cars miles more superior to anything the americans could put out.
@superchargedAMG And they did it with forced induction, the v8s are naturally aspirated. show me some that hit the v8s power, I know some that put out 8000hp and go have gone as fast as 300mph also running 0-60 in under a sec. uhmm dont know of any imports with 4 or 6 bangers doing that. Sorry when it comes to drag racing and power American has it won and you know that.
@68chargerlover yeah, like you said, its no secret. a bigger displacement engine = more power. nothing special. show me a 3 litre domestic thatll make 1500 hp, turbo or not. and yeah, americans got drag racing covered, but think about it..your racing in a straight line. and yeah, theres alot of aspects to it now because of how it evolved, but compare someone like john force to someone like aryton senna, and force is not even close to as talented as senna was.
@superchargedAMG Agreed, some of the best drivers came from europe, but that doesn't mean the cars weren't capable. They just weren't set up for handling from the factory, and since drag racing was such a history for the US, the American driver is accustomed to it. Plus, most Americans can't drive for jack anyways...I'm American, I can attest to that.
@Milehighsnake98 I guess, but the chassis on those cars from the 60's isnt what id call durable. the way i see it is that its alot easier to set up a european car to drag race then it is an american car to corner. and the countach didnt make as much torque, but if it had a 7 litre engine, im sure it would.
@superchargedAMG And what did the europeans get for all that technology? A history of break downs, and a well earned reputation for being unreliable and ridiculously expensive to fix, as well as being electronic nightmares. And the Countach might have made the same HP as the big blocks, but it made about 1/2 the torque. RPM vs torque.
@Milehighsnake98 you learn by mistakes, dont you? americans cant do anything other than v8's. proof? that new focus? its from europe. that new cruze? its a holden. that upcoming dodge hornet? its an alfa. they just cant do anything other than v8's. and all the europeans mistakes paid off, didnt they? the 599 gto's power numbers, thats pretty impressive, and that AMG v12 powering the zonda r? thats a fucking beast. and bmw's 4 litre v8 revving to 8k rpm..theyve brought the car to new heights.
@superchargedAMG Seems to me they do more than just V8s. Viper ring a bell? 620hp, 590ft-lb V10, pump gas, oh, and it's a pushrod engine with variable valve timing. Not sure if the europeans do that or not, but I think not. High RPMs don't impress me, because the higher you rev, the lower torque you have. I'm more than happy to have a 4.6L V8 that will rev to 7500, and it's American. Buick GN/GNX? Turbo V6, another great engine.
@Milehighsnake98 hahahaha 8.4 liters, and 620 hp? give me a break, that things good, but the engines fucking retarded hahaha give a baby 8.4 litres and he could come up with more power and torque. not to mention that a car made in 2005 with a 4.2 litre audi v8 beat it .
@superchargedAMG What made in 2005 beat the Viper around Nurburgring? NOTHING. Also, that 8.4L engine makes 620hp with no supercharger, no turbocharger, and capable of doing it on 87 octane gas. Can that 4.2L Audi claim the same? Obviously not.
@superchargedAMG Just so you know, people had 11,000 RPM Chevy V8s in the 1970s. That's without EFI, without overhead cams, without computers, without variable valve timing...Congrats. Oh, and that was a 327ci (5.3L to you) engine. So congrats. In 2011, the Europeans are finally within what, 70% of what Americans did in the 1970s? But Americans learned one thing. High revving engines are under a lot of stress. Make the same power at lower RPM and the engine lives much longer.
@Milehighsnake98 11000 rpm chevys? this is news to me, do tell more. and the europeans have proven numerous times that they can make high revving engines. the ariel atom goes to 10000 rpm i believe, and proof that the europeans have the mental capacity to make high revving engines would be something such as a cosworth f1 v8 with an 18000 rpm redline. and if the low power at low rpm mindset was so great, why do no race teams use it? everyone aims for a high redline. explain that.
@68chargerlover and seriously, get some fucking respect. a boost logic supra will do a seven second 1/4 mile, and for a 3 litre turbo engine, it doesnt get any better. the early supras are garbage compared to the newer ones. and theyre very different than sti's and evo's. the supra is light. the power to weight ratio was miles better, and the steering was obviously very good. and if you want to talk v8's, be my guest, american v8's were always inferior to their european counterparts.
@superchargedAMG Ford, GM, Dodge all have engines more capable, more desirable, more durable and more responsive than the Supra 2JZ-GTE engine. People have made as much as 2800hp from Fords 4.6, over 2000 from a GM LS engine, and over 3000hp from a Dodge 440. And all of those engines have gone over 500k miles from the factory (not at that power level, of course).
@Milehighsnake98 hah. more capable for drag racing. show me an american 3.0 litre that will make remotely the same power as a supra with or without a turbo lol. and if you decide to go round a bend, it wont be as good cause since those engines are larger, it throws off weight distriubution.
@superchargedAMG FYI, my V8 with transmission is almost 300lbs LIGHTER than a Supra's I6. You might want to do more research before throwing the "weight" card. The Mazda RX-7, a car praised for its handling, if you put an LS1 GM V8 in it, with the 6 speed, the car comes out with BETTER weight distribution and only weighs 86lbs more than with the anemic rotary. Plus, it will stay running for more than 6 months without an overhaul, and make useable torque. V8s aren't as heavy as you think.
@Milehighsnake98 well, im still playing the weight card, cause i bet anything that a supra weighs still weighs less than your v8 mustang. and in my poinion, its better to modify a rotary rather than a v8 swap, cause you can get the same power and still keep the lower weight.
@superchargedAMG My mustang currently sits at 3270 lbs. A MKIV Twin Turbo Supra weighs in at just under 3700lbs. The engine/transmission of the Supra is just under 700lbs, my V8 is 390lbs, and the transmission is somewhere between 85-110lbs, depending on the source (so I'm not 100% sure on trans weight). That alone is 200lbs difference off the nose of my car. So what do I win? lol
@Milehighsnake98 well, you got me there, but mustangs dont have even close to the tuning potential supras do. and if you wondered why it was such a solid platform that could withstand so much power, then the reason would be that the engine and transmission could withstand alot of power. boost that mustang up to 1100 hp and see how the engine/trans holds up. you gotta admit, its heavy, but for good reason
@68chargerlover and seriously, get some fucking respect. a boost logic supra will do a seven second 1/4 mile, and for a 3 litre turbo engine, it doesnt get any better. the early supras are garbage compared to the newer ones. and theyre very different than sti's and evo's. the supra is light. the power to weight ratio was miles better, and the steering was obviously very good. and if you want to talk v8's, be my guest, american v8's were always inferior to their european counterparts.
@68chargerlover americans did simple stuff. europeans moved the car from where it was, to where it is today. europeans pioneered technology in cars..americans just stuck with the simple big v8 to a shitty ass chassis, cause they didnt know any better.
@superchargedAMG Actually, they kept it that way because it worked. If it's not broke, don't fix it. That's why those American cars could run forever, replacement parts were cheap, and anything that needed to be done, could be done in your garage at home. You didn't need a $5000 diagnostic machine to hook up to 12 computers to find out your spark plugs were fouled or that 1 of 366 sensors (That was $450) went bad, causing the car to not start.
@superchargedAMG Show me the times 0-60 or the 1/4 of those cars in the 60s. Hell cars from the 60s are still kicking ass on jdm and euro cars today. Thats sad when they have technology from over 40yrs ago, you got to give respect where its due, theres a reason the muscle cars are so wanted and have gone up so high in value.
@68chargerlover lol u mad? look at what a supra rz is worth and tell me jap cars depriciate hahaha. give anyone a 7 litre engine and he'll get the same 1/4 mile times as domestics..haaahahah your so fuckin dumb
@superchargedAMG I'm never mad maybe alittle crazy lol. Lets see last time I watch Barret Jackson, no one was interested in the supras, and last time I watched pinks the jap crap kept falling apart. Give it the fuck up when it comes to hp and torque and the true fastest cars 0-60 or 1/4mile American has the best.
@68chargerlover haaahahahahahahahahah oh my gosh..barret jackson? do you see anyone other than old men there? all they want is american cars, theyre fucking 80, they couldnt care less about anything without a ford dodge chevy badge haaahahah, a supra rz will go for 40k easily..compare that to a 98 camaro and see whats worth more hahaha. compare those 60's muscle cars to a 1964 ferrari 250 gto. theres value for you. and anyone can run the same times as american cars given a 7 litre v8.
@68chargerlover or compare a 57 chev to a 57 ferrari 250 testa rossa. you can get a 250 testarossa for 15 million dollars. lets see someone pay that much for a 57 chev.
@BlazeeeHD hey i agree that bugatti has nothing to do with this but just to clear up your mistake. they aren't made in italy...bugatti were originally french, but now VW own them they are german cars. but still made in france
how the hell are exotics like the gtr r32 which cost an arm and a leg and the supra which also like the gtr r32 is an exotic and costs an arm and a leg, tuners?!
@ucg102 yes $54,000-$72,000 for a r32 is quite affordable... and yes $27.000 (for a supra with over 100,000 miles)-$84,000 (with under 27.000 miles) is EXTREAMLY affordable.... my supra cost $32,000 for 60k miles.
as for not being exotics again the price... supra twin turbos brand new were $54k and are rare due to the fact not many wre made same wih the r32's etc.
@GhettoNinjaMan nope i dont see imports doing over 170 in the quarter. and the drifting the american cars are kicking ass in drifting. for everything imports do american car manufacturers come out with something better. like the ZR1 the GTR killer, type in ZR1 drag king done by top gear. and the ZR1 won the 24 hrs of le mans last year. also you can buy an american motor with over 800hp and 850ftlbs for 14k it would cost you at least 20k for an import then you got reliability issues
@weedfreshness You definatly haven't even hit drinking age yet. An average Honda Civic makes 90-150hp. An averag muscle is RATED at twice that. Most actually produce around 400hp. Much larger starting point. And we can throw heads, cams and blowers on without paying for electronic upgrades to allow it to run.
The arrogant prick is the one who accuses first !! I have an open mind but most muscle car lovers don't !!! My opinion but these videos have alot of evidence backing me up !!
Top fuel runs 3.3 seconds dumbass and it's not a hemi it's a v6 it can be ford Honda Mazda Toyota dodge ya so shut the fuck up American pride guy.
Ya and also if u put 10k into a any muscle car compared to any tuner the tuner will smoke the tuner because it is lighter and they both start out near same bhp range ok so ya. And all that bullshit that muscle cars can have all the mods tuners can have is false we have performance chips so we never really max till 12 chips and all the parts and then
The problem here is all u muslce car lovers can't get ur American pride out of ur ass to consider other machines from distant nations !!! This happens with every thing though all u guys critisize every thing that's not American !!!! Formula one ! Soccer ! . Jap imports . Even European super cars !!! Because they aren't American !!!
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 hey hey now i bought an 05 altima and i gave japan a try cause everybody said they're the greatest, biggest POS i have ever owned. so back to chevy again. american muscle dose always win the ZR1 won the 24hrs of le mans last year. and type in ZR1 drag king done by top gear it puts the GTR and a Porsche and a Ferrari against it.
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 1.Your a kid 2. Top Fuel Cars run a 500 CID Supercharged Hemi and run the 1/4 in 4.4 sec@ over 330mph. They have 7,000hp. Your suzki sucks.
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 so is the GTR and the ZR1 still whips its ass badly sure the GTR gets the jump for about two car lengths but after about 2 seconds its all over but the crying and the escudo dont hold the pikes peak record.
Can a muscle beat . Suzuki escudo pikes peak edition with 985 hp and only weight 900kg I don't think so . Can a muscle beat a buggati veyron I dont think so . Muscle is overrated !!! And old !!
@FATMIKE5183 Plymouth recommended that the 13.5:1 CR 426 Max Wedge "full throttle bursts" be limited to 15 Seconds. That's because it had a 3 spd and 4.56:1 cogs. That was back in 63, so after 15 seconds the motor would be revving through the roof with no more gears to grab and 1963 valvetrain tech. It still pulled a 12.6 1/4@112
So what needs to be done is give someone with a tuner $20,000 and some one with a boss muscle car $20k and put em in a drag at the end to see who wins.
By the way, I just reviewed the fast and furious tonight. So I'm gonna lower to most of the tuner guys level and argue that. So, to some it up, the guy who drives the charger drives tuners constantly but says the charger scares the shit out of him when he's asked why he doesn't drive it. Then the supra still can't pull away when it puts a rod through the block. So there's the movie argument.
So generally, you push 1300 hp out of one of those snowmobile engines and it's life span drops to less than 30,000miles. More like less than 10k probably. I love NFS/Fast and Furious mechanics. It's great. Simple math tells you that larger displacement=more energy potential. I have no idea why idiots try to argue. Plus the more you overthink the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain.
I am a muscle fan all the way!
masonjackson565 1 day ago
@HUMMER7O5 how is that trans am not a muscle car??
Bstuchlik 2 days ago
on 47 thats not a muscle car thats a nissan skyline gtr hardtop
alwintheskateboarder 2 weeks ago
i have built and rebuilt nissans for years , and i my opinion , overall they CAN perform better ...... but one thing in my opinion muscle will win 100 % of the time in the FUN department , and most of us are not really racing ... so my bias is towards jap , but muscle is FUN ! and thats what counts
wrongturn320 3 weeks ago
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Toyota Supra MKIV
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34
Nissan GT-R R35
Porsche 911 Turbo
Nissan R390 GT1 (supercar)
Jaguar XJ220
let this be known: Anyone who says "Imports Suck" is a fucking fat, inbred white trash bitch who knows not worth shit about cars and drives a Corsica.
chuckmekere 2 months ago
Oh and the BMW is not a tuner..u were switching back and forth..BMW is not tuner. Btw. Smh
Bmxthegr8 3 months ago
Dude I watched the first 40 seconds...u chose plain muscle cars...then put up completely customized tuners...ur obviously biased for all I saw..
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"This is an 18 year old girl's graduation gift." LOL XD
Xlicer 3 months ago
I think nothing will ever compare to an R34 GTR , EVER !
R34GTRR35 3 months ago 9
@R34GTRR35 i got a blender that will out do it
The91489 3 weeks ago
@R34GTRR35 then why is there a comparison test for the gtr porshe viper corvette and lambo?
bigenginesismythang 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
@bigenginesismythang your mum
R34GTRR35 2 weeks ago
@R34GTRR35 my mom would kick your ass
bigenginesismythang 2 weeks ago
@bigenginesismythang Your mum would lick my ass . LOL
R34GTRR35 2 weeks ago
@R34GTRR35 ooooh so kool you can rhyme.
bigenginesismythang 2 weeks ago
@bigenginesismythang I wasnt rhyming fool
R34GTRR35 2 weeks ago
@R34GTRR35 Really? Did you know stock LS1 Camaros / Firebirds are only slower 0-60 by .1 seconds despite the Skyline having the AWD advantage?
Or how about the fact that the LS1 F-Bodys have a faster 1/4 mile time?
Trans Am Ram Air WS.6 > Skyline R34
DarkSlayer487 1 week ago in playlist muscle vs import
@DarkSlayer487 When you look at production performance cars , muscle is way behind and getting worse every year , Have a look at 2011 winners list for the Moscow Unlim
Top ten cars are GTR , Porsche , Lambo and a Viper running near the 10th !
R34GTRR35 1 week ago
@R34GTRR35 Comparing sports cars to muscle cars is laughable at best. Entirely different class.
NRPBrute 1 week ago
@DarkSlayer487 now lets put some handling into the equation. yeah the LS1 may keep up with it in a straight line, but how about on a real road coarse? where the driver has to apply brakes and come into a corner and speed out a corner.
SouthFloridaSTi 1 day ago
Muscle will ALWAYS look and sound great. Not so sure about tuners.
tab1976 4 months ago
@tab1976 No muscle car's will always look shit
spenceCID 3 weeks ago
@spenceCID you must be a fagot if you think muscle cars look like shit
The91489 3 weeks ago
@The91489 The jokes on you the only thing I smoke is shisha and tyres! I just don't like shit cars.
spenceCID 3 weeks ago
@superchargedAMG actually, while mine is only good to about 550hp on the stock pistons and rods, the block and crank and cylinder heads have made over 2400hp with a pair of turbos. And the 03-04 cobra, which is about 375lbs heavier than mine, has an engine and trans that will take over 1000whp fine.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 well, right now im essentially talking out my ass, cause im much to lazy to look shit up, but any amount of money that a supra could do 550 hp on stock pistons and rods.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Absolutely, the Supra Turbo has an incredibly stout bottom end that has made upwards of 800whp with the right turbo. The problem is, if you look at a dyno chart of those cars, they make about 100ft-lb torque below 5000rpm. I actually overlayed a STOCK Acura RSX Type S 2.0L 4cyl dyno chart with an 800whp supra. The stock RSX made more HP and more torque up to about 5500rpm. Of course, the Supra was ahead by more than 200hp at 6000...
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
my 67 impala 2 door fastback has a curb weight of 3590..
you can get better track performance out of a modern car due to lighter alloy, carbon fiber, so many advancements in traction and parts.
But you will be jealous when I change the spark plugs on my 67 impala with a simple ratchet while you cant even see the block on these modern cars.
$200 oil changes. $100 air filters. vs no seat belt law or emissions.. whos laughing now while I spank your car with my sleeper. great times.
FnkDctr 4 months ago
M3 and R35 are not tuners.
gtaspecialist900 4 months ago
Which one's better? Exotics.
gtaspecialist900 4 months ago
TOOL > Muscle > Tuners
Just my opinion :)
Sebastianjokes 4 months ago
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Sebastianjokes 4 months ago
Trust me, I've seen plenty of chicks driving Camaro's so don't try to say that Mustang convertibles are "girl cars". I myself would rather have a hardtop GT but just because it's convertible doesn't make a girly. Some of those v6 Mustangs have power!
MrCleanPolo 4 months ago
Muscle Car
movieguy1985 4 months ago
Hey dipshit in the Subaru, you got that car because you got a small dick but a big one in your ass faggot
MrKillerworms 4 months ago
tuner
MrOpoooooooooooooooo 5 months ago
haha I have a convertible mustang. Whys that a girls car?
drifter12593 5 months ago
Tuner.
MAKESOMEFLAMES 5 months ago
to tell you the truth, both types of cars are great. IF they look good AND are fast at the same time.
flyingdegu92 5 months ago
Muscle.
7540tong 5 months ago
even if i have respect for a supra , or a 240... nothing will never beat those american Iron classic
foxsetup 5 months ago
muscle beats imported everytime
atilaelreyhuno 5 months ago
funny how you guys still use the word tuners lol it so stupid
THELA0SKID 5 months ago
good to get the difference of cars at beginning.. my souls with the imports.. more to do with them.. more fun.. more applicable.. muscle just cant keep up with the times and theyre falling too far behind to ever catch up anymore.. only thing left to say now is.. Boom!!...
Draven3000gt 5 months ago
Why is everyone fighting about which one is better? Tuners and Muscles are both great, everyone's got different taste in cars. You gotta accept that.
SaveOldCars 5 months ago
Good video .... Americans made the first cars americans had the first drag cars muscle cars americans even had the first track cars nd tracks its called nascar for u ricers nd if u wana race pure motor vs pure motor lets do it....well win... If u wana slap a turbo or a supercharger well still win... The only thing ur good at is drifting nd thats bunch b.s. I bet u couldnt even control my 9 sec trans am if it kicked sideways ....
masskhamisi4 5 months ago
@masskhamisi4 Germans invented cars, Americans made it popular!
SaveOldCars 5 months ago
2:10 HOLY FUCK THATS THE HARDEST A CAMAROS EVER CORNERED
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
well it depends on wat ur tuning
MrVeggiez 6 months ago
@RstarGTA first of all they dont even make ford gt's anymore because they sucked and mustangs are slow as hell they are for girls. Didnt you watch the video. Try a ls1 trans am ws6. Thats a real muscle car. Gm power!!!!!
purpleWS6ls1 6 months ago
A REAL car dosen't power the front wheels, it Lifts them up ;P.PS
@mones01bigger,Ford GT40 and mustang beat camaro ANY day!
RstarGTA 6 months ago
Here's the diffrence between a muscle car and a tuner. A muscle car looks bad ass from the moment you see it. No body kits are needed and they dont need a loud exhaust for you to know their powerful as hell. Tuners on the other hand, they need kits, engine upgrades, body kits and yet they still dont look as threating and powerful as a muscle car. GO CHEVY! Expecially the Camaro!!!
mines01bigger 6 months ago
@KnighTHawK1104 if you hate ANY fast car then your a rice boy period
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 I don't even remember what I typed. I'll let you have this one. Lol..
KnighTHawK1104 6 months ago
@68chargerlover thats without nitrous dumbass.
cars are not judged by corners?! ever hear of a ferrari f40?!
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 take your turbo off and your nitrous and see how you do. And if you have to take a corner your not going fast enough.
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover okay its then called the ferrari 280 gto rice boy. and the f40 never had nitrous dumbass and it was bone stock! and wtf?! soo caroll shelby never went fast?!
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 uhmm, no dingleberry, you said you have a supra, we are talking about your car
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover now going back to my car, heres a clue my car has no nitrious its basically stock nigger! cant face the facts can you rice boy?
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 so your car is factory, you turn on your computer in your moms basement and you built your car on your video game, good for you kido. Now put down the jelly doughnut and run outside and play, let the big people talk cars okay, remember kids are to be seen not heard ! lol
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover
sorry kiddo my car was built by hand in japan. try again. big people speak. wow way to go rice boy.
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 on an assembly line with tons of plastic, and you drive the riceburner so get it thru your head, you are the rice boy
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover sorry kiddo i dont drive you
and err the vettte is also made of plastic on an assembly line rice boy and sorry i dont drive you
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 Riceburner is a car made in japan, your the ricer and if I had a vette it would be the older one made in 68.
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover those were also fiber glass rice boy, and riceburner can be anyone it all depends on your mentality you ricer
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 no a rice burner is a car made by jap, riceboys are their drivers thats where it came from, trust me kid i've been around alot longer then you, you are a ricer, like i'm a musclehead, I live and breath muscle cars, I love the sound of a big block and the masive torque that comes from an American muscle car, no other car made has the attitude, style and class of the muscle cars.
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover again riceburner can be anyone and your proving it over and over again. as for being around longer you may have but you have NO idea what your speaking of. as for muscle head no your a rice boy that gives REAL car enthusiests like myself a very bad name.
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 no a riceburner is a car made from china or japan. Your and insult to all car guys and girls world wild. You only know the supra and have no clue on any other cars. I would give you props for being a car guy if you knew cars at all, but no your just stuck on jap cars.
68chargerlover 6 months ago
@68chargerlover no kid again unlike you the word has evolved. i only know the supra?! LMFAO wow your ignorance spews agian. I hve no clue on any other cars? lmfao again keep the ignorance coming dumbass. you claim to know about EVERY car.
stuck on jap cars? i love fast cars in general, i love a 756 ci Kenny belle blown 2500bhp dodge dart(voodoo childe's car) as much as I do a plymoth road runner with a shaker hood and all the other bells and wistles as much as i love a 1uzfe pwrd(cont) supra
PD19954 6 months ago
@68chargerlover true im still learning about old school muscle but all in all i love fast cars. i just hate ingoran t rice boys like you and your hypocrital goodness.
PD19954 6 months ago
@PD19954 I'm not the ignorant one kido, i've owned both muscle cars, sports& tuners. I know there are fast muscle cars and slow ones, as well as sports cars & tuners. YOU on the other hand think the supra is a super exotic car and the fastest in the world when its just a jap sports car with a 6cyl with forced induction. No super secret technoloy or super engine. Any engine can have forced induction and can be made fast, but on the other hand bigger is better.Be happy with what you have
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover not ignorant? arent you the one who said the supra is a low end japanese sports car, said that there are no classic japanese cars around, and that an import cannot make power without nitrous and/or turbos but when i showed you one that did you didnt respond to that? i am very happy with what i have but im not going to let ignorant rice boys like you give great cars import or domestic bad names. tuners eh? so youve opwned hondas as well?
PD19954 5 months ago
@68chargerlover, and not an exotic? it is a RARE car built with at tthe time exptic materials and shit loads more.
just one with fi and six cylinders? yes lets ignore the areodynamics, engineering, racing heritage, forged internals and the fact its one of the rare japanese engines that can handle so much power on stock internals
PD19954 5 months ago
@PD19954 And it is a low end jap sports car. I have owned all kinds of cars not just one and thought it was the greatest car ever made. And you do need forced indutcion to make your car fast or nitrous.
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover forced induction and nitroucs huh ever hear of the lfa? and again how is a rare exptic car low end? youve never said that kid.
PD19954 5 months ago
@PD19954 lets see top end isnt 29th place on the sports car list. And yes it needs tons of boost and nitrous to be fast. It maybe rare but so is the pinto and gremlin, that dont make them exotics. Get off your high horse kido, and enjoy your car instead of trying to make it something its not.
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover
no but it is on road and tracks TOP THREE RIOCE BOY. tons of boost?! hot soup's car was on STOCK turbos and 15psi when he reached mid 10s on the 1/4 and the blitz supra was on 10 psi dumbass which is stock. and nitrous?! both those cars had ZERO nitroucs! . again your comparing a rare exotic sports car to a fucking pinto.. wow you REALLY know about cars there kid.
PD19954 5 months ago
@68chargerlover Seriously, weather you like tuners or not, the supra has a HELL of a reputation, and for good reason. Give some fucking respect where its due.
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG I gave it respect, but its no big deal, the chowder head I was talking to thinks its a super car and its engine is a piece of jap super technoloy. its just a jap sports car
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover And I hate to be a fanboy, but tuners wouldnt be the same without supras and skylines.
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG it seems you are a fanboy, the tuners wouldnt be what they are without the muscle cars, exotics and sports cars, japan wanted fast cars too so they could try to compete.There are lots of cars with way bigger reps then the supra, its just a jap sports car, not a legend of the car world like others.You must be thirteen or have a thing for guys to be so interested in dicks and mouths? Sorry to turn you down but I'm a true car guy who loves tits and wheels I dont swing your way.
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover Yeah, and thank you american muscle for producing the most tunable platform known to man. And auctually, yeah there are a few, (porsche 911, nissan r34.....) and give me any old domestics, cause no matter how you put it those things cant corner for shit. New, yes, and the zr1 has a rep, but not the same rep the supra has. And im a real car guy too, I just perfer the best to the cars for those who are compensating for their baby sized penis. (old camaros, mustangs, challengers)
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@68chargerlover Woooah, "kiddo" supra not special? So let me get this straight. a 20 year old car, whos engine was one of the first to be able to withstand the stress of 1000 hp, had 2 less cylinders then any of the american competition, and holds (or held, not sure) the texas mile record is just another tuner? And your also saying that domestics cant be rice? Ever heard of a fucking neon? At least hondas are reliable, holy shit. Get smart, then come back.
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG Listen my obtuse friend. Most of the supras didnt put out 300hp only the last year other then that they had 150 to 200 hp. The sti puts out 300 hp and it has 2 less cyl does that make it better? Gee I wonder what gives it the power uhmm can we say turbo? Some people turn up the boost and some put on bigger turbos, its no new technology. Any engine can take that power, hell look at a cummins that can put out 2000hp on a stock engine and its a 6 cyl.
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover You completely ignoring the texas mile record and the insane tuneability, and the fact that the supra is from the 90's and the cummins is current. And thats just wrong, not any engine will be able to withstand 1000 hp, and the fact that this 3 litre can handle such large turbos is a perfect example of spectacular engineering. You really think the supra got its insane rep for no reason? Youve really gotta get the dick out of your mouth..
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG no one really runs the texas mile, see how it does around nurenburgring if its so great, or see how it competes at the saltflats. Show me a supra breaking 300mph or running 8000hp.There were supras before the 90s but they didnt have the 300 hp of the ones in the 90s. Both cummins and the 2jz are inline 6s. And get real theres alot of engines that can take 1000hp. I know engines that run 1000hp without forced induction like the supra needs.Theres no special enineering
68chargerlover 5 months ago
@68chargerlover No one really runs the texas mile...does that void the record that the supra holds? (or held, i have no idea) And is that statement to say that every other car that runs there is slow? Give me a break, the supra is as legendary as the toyota prius is gay. (thats saying something.) And yeah, cummins are good engines but whats the displacement? 6.7 and 5.9 litres? as opposed to a 3.0 from the 90s? And yeah, if you have an incredibly large engine, its not that hard to get 1000 hp.
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG Apple to apples son. The Buick 3.8 tpi turbo is a better motor than the 2jze or any other variant of toyota's venerable straight six's due to dollar per HP, parts availability (and two [not prone to warp nearly as much as a straight six] cylinder heads). Almost a dead heat in power potential. No need to go naming truck diesels 'n shit.
MegaDoogish 5 months ago
@MegaDoogish yeah parts availability in the u.s. anywhere else, forget it. buicks a good engine, and was alot of car for the money no doubt, but the supra is better in terms of weight, steering connectivity, and most of all, it had a manual transmission. (not sure if the buick came with one) and im not gonna go too far into detail cause i dont know alot about the gnx but if that buicks so great, how come theyre going for 15k while supra rz's are going for 30k+?
superchargedAMG 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG gnx's only came with a factory automatic trans.
flyingdegu92 5 months ago
@superchargedAMG Show me a supra thats broken 300mph or gone 0-60 in less then 4sec. My point on the cumins is on it being another inline 6 with forced induction. Any engine can have forced induction and make power, the supra isnt a super special engine with top secret jap only technology. Its just a 6banger with forced induction thats it.Dont get me wrong the supra can be a fast car but there are way better.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover yeah, and my point is that for its time, it was fucking legendary in the respect that it was and still is one of the most desired, tuneable, durable, responsive engines ever made. a cummins is good, yes, but if every car manufacturer fut all their money into a specific type of engine, theyd make good engines too. and im sure there are drag spec supras that do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Not really, its just not many cars went with the turbos yet, everyone knew that real power came from the real legends the big blocks v8s. And the supra didnt start to get fast till the later models the first supras were slow. They are no different then the sti and evo are today, a small engine with forced induction. Any engine can have forced indution, the bigger the motor the more the hp. And no there are no drag supras that even get close to 4s. V8s are the way to go.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover the "real power" came from big blocks...well, not exactly. The lamborghini countach had a 5.2 litre v12 that made roughly the same power as any of the big block v8's, as well as the mclaren f1, which is still the fastest naturally aspirated car ever made. the ferrari 288 gto isnt as powerful, but was more revolutionary for its time than any american car has ever been. the european engines a werend cars miles more superior to anything the americans could put out.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG And they did it with forced induction, the v8s are naturally aspirated. show me some that hit the v8s power, I know some that put out 8000hp and go have gone as fast as 300mph also running 0-60 in under a sec. uhmm dont know of any imports with 4 or 6 bangers doing that. Sorry when it comes to drag racing and power American has it won and you know that.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover yeah, like you said, its no secret. a bigger displacement engine = more power. nothing special. show me a 3 litre domestic thatll make 1500 hp, turbo or not. and yeah, americans got drag racing covered, but think about it..your racing in a straight line. and yeah, theres alot of aspects to it now because of how it evolved, but compare someone like john force to someone like aryton senna, and force is not even close to as talented as senna was.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Agreed, some of the best drivers came from europe, but that doesn't mean the cars weren't capable. They just weren't set up for handling from the factory, and since drag racing was such a history for the US, the American driver is accustomed to it. Plus, most Americans can't drive for jack anyways...I'm American, I can attest to that.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 I guess, but the chassis on those cars from the 60's isnt what id call durable. the way i see it is that its alot easier to set up a european car to drag race then it is an american car to corner. and the countach didnt make as much torque, but if it had a 7 litre engine, im sure it would.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG And what did the europeans get for all that technology? A history of break downs, and a well earned reputation for being unreliable and ridiculously expensive to fix, as well as being electronic nightmares. And the Countach might have made the same HP as the big blocks, but it made about 1/2 the torque. RPM vs torque.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 you learn by mistakes, dont you? americans cant do anything other than v8's. proof? that new focus? its from europe. that new cruze? its a holden. that upcoming dodge hornet? its an alfa. they just cant do anything other than v8's. and all the europeans mistakes paid off, didnt they? the 599 gto's power numbers, thats pretty impressive, and that AMG v12 powering the zonda r? thats a fucking beast. and bmw's 4 litre v8 revving to 8k rpm..theyve brought the car to new heights.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Seems to me they do more than just V8s. Viper ring a bell? 620hp, 590ft-lb V10, pump gas, oh, and it's a pushrod engine with variable valve timing. Not sure if the europeans do that or not, but I think not. High RPMs don't impress me, because the higher you rev, the lower torque you have. I'm more than happy to have a 4.6L V8 that will rev to 7500, and it's American. Buick GN/GNX? Turbo V6, another great engine.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 hahahaha 8.4 liters, and 620 hp? give me a break, that things good, but the engines fucking retarded hahaha give a baby 8.4 litres and he could come up with more power and torque. not to mention that a car made in 2005 with a 4.2 litre audi v8 beat it .
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG What made in 2005 beat the Viper around Nurburgring? NOTHING. Also, that 8.4L engine makes 620hp with no supercharger, no turbocharger, and capable of doing it on 87 octane gas. Can that 4.2L Audi claim the same? Obviously not.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 hahah turbos, but who goes faster? and thats that, really. and what about these 11000 rpm chevys? i wanna hear about them.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Just so you know, people had 11,000 RPM Chevy V8s in the 1970s. That's without EFI, without overhead cams, without computers, without variable valve timing...Congrats. Oh, and that was a 327ci (5.3L to you) engine. So congrats. In 2011, the Europeans are finally within what, 70% of what Americans did in the 1970s? But Americans learned one thing. High revving engines are under a lot of stress. Make the same power at lower RPM and the engine lives much longer.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 11000 rpm chevys? this is news to me, do tell more. and the europeans have proven numerous times that they can make high revving engines. the ariel atom goes to 10000 rpm i believe, and proof that the europeans have the mental capacity to make high revving engines would be something such as a cosworth f1 v8 with an 18000 rpm redline. and if the low power at low rpm mindset was so great, why do no race teams use it? everyone aims for a high redline. explain that.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@68chargerlover and seriously, get some fucking respect. a boost logic supra will do a seven second 1/4 mile, and for a 3 litre turbo engine, it doesnt get any better. the early supras are garbage compared to the newer ones. and theyre very different than sti's and evo's. the supra is light. the power to weight ratio was miles better, and the steering was obviously very good. and if you want to talk v8's, be my guest, american v8's were always inferior to their european counterparts.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Ford, GM, Dodge all have engines more capable, more desirable, more durable and more responsive than the Supra 2JZ-GTE engine. People have made as much as 2800hp from Fords 4.6, over 2000 from a GM LS engine, and over 3000hp from a Dodge 440. And all of those engines have gone over 500k miles from the factory (not at that power level, of course).
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 hah. more capable for drag racing. show me an american 3.0 litre that will make remotely the same power as a supra with or without a turbo lol. and if you decide to go round a bend, it wont be as good cause since those engines are larger, it throws off weight distriubution.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG FYI, my V8 with transmission is almost 300lbs LIGHTER than a Supra's I6. You might want to do more research before throwing the "weight" card. The Mazda RX-7, a car praised for its handling, if you put an LS1 GM V8 in it, with the 6 speed, the car comes out with BETTER weight distribution and only weighs 86lbs more than with the anemic rotary. Plus, it will stay running for more than 6 months without an overhaul, and make useable torque. V8s aren't as heavy as you think.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 well, im still playing the weight card, cause i bet anything that a supra weighs still weighs less than your v8 mustang. and in my poinion, its better to modify a rotary rather than a v8 swap, cause you can get the same power and still keep the lower weight.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG My mustang currently sits at 3270 lbs. A MKIV Twin Turbo Supra weighs in at just under 3700lbs. The engine/transmission of the Supra is just under 700lbs, my V8 is 390lbs, and the transmission is somewhere between 85-110lbs, depending on the source (so I'm not 100% sure on trans weight). That alone is 200lbs difference off the nose of my car. So what do I win? lol
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98 well, you got me there, but mustangs dont have even close to the tuning potential supras do. and if you wondered why it was such a solid platform that could withstand so much power, then the reason would be that the engine and transmission could withstand alot of power. boost that mustang up to 1100 hp and see how the engine/trans holds up. you gotta admit, its heavy, but for good reason
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
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@68chargerlover and seriously, get some fucking respect. a boost logic supra will do a seven second 1/4 mile, and for a 3 litre turbo engine, it doesnt get any better. the early supras are garbage compared to the newer ones. and theyre very different than sti's and evo's. the supra is light. the power to weight ratio was miles better, and the steering was obviously very good. and if you want to talk v8's, be my guest, american v8's were always inferior to their european counterparts.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@68chargerlover americans did simple stuff. europeans moved the car from where it was, to where it is today. europeans pioneered technology in cars..americans just stuck with the simple big v8 to a shitty ass chassis, cause they didnt know any better.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Actually, they kept it that way because it worked. If it's not broke, don't fix it. That's why those American cars could run forever, replacement parts were cheap, and anything that needed to be done, could be done in your garage at home. You didn't need a $5000 diagnostic machine to hook up to 12 computers to find out your spark plugs were fouled or that 1 of 366 sensors (That was $450) went bad, causing the car to not start.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG The v8 is king, euro made their cars handle because they couldnt compete.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover mhm, they definately couldnt compete. check out the porsche 917 and audi r18 then tell me that.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Show me the times 0-60 or the 1/4 of those cars in the 60s. Hell cars from the 60s are still kicking ass on jdm and euro cars today. Thats sad when they have technology from over 40yrs ago, you got to give respect where its due, theres a reason the muscle cars are so wanted and have gone up so high in value.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover lol u mad? look at what a supra rz is worth and tell me jap cars depriciate hahaha. give anyone a 7 litre engine and he'll get the same 1/4 mile times as domestics..haaahahah your so fuckin dumb
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG I'm never mad maybe alittle crazy lol. Lets see last time I watch Barret Jackson, no one was interested in the supras, and last time I watched pinks the jap crap kept falling apart. Give it the fuck up when it comes to hp and torque and the true fastest cars 0-60 or 1/4mile American has the best.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover haaahahahahahahahahah oh my gosh..barret jackson? do you see anyone other than old men there? all they want is american cars, theyre fucking 80, they couldnt care less about anything without a ford dodge chevy badge haaahahah, a supra rz will go for 40k easily..compare that to a 98 camaro and see whats worth more hahaha. compare those 60's muscle cars to a 1964 ferrari 250 gto. theres value for you. and anyone can run the same times as american cars given a 7 litre v8.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@68chargerlover or compare a 57 chev to a 57 ferrari 250 testa rossa. you can get a 250 testarossa for 15 million dollars. lets see someone pay that much for a 57 chev.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG The hemi cuda converable was 3 to 4 grand new now I've seen them go for 2 million.
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@68chargerlover 250 testa rossas go for 15 million on a bad day. suck my dick, bitch.
superchargedAMG 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG Thats because there was only like 3 made and you have no dick just lips bitch
68chargerlover 4 months ago
@superchargedAMG And you knock American cars and v8s and the last time I looked the fastest prodution car is American
68chargerlover 3 months ago
zr1 is sport muscle..just like the viper and the ford gt...but theyre still awesome
hickboy1995 6 months ago
1:00 min this is why muscle beats import
longboardingtn 6 months ago
@moshinguitarist haha youre right. my mistake.
BlazeeeHD 6 months ago
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 oh you're right. Everyone here probably thinks the Zr1 is a muscle...
BlazeeeHD 6 months ago
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 Buggati has nothing to do with "Ricer vs American Muscle"
Buggati is made from Italy. So don't be talking about Buggati's on a video like this.
BlazeeeHD 6 months ago
@BlazeeeHD hey i agree that bugatti has nothing to do with this but just to clear up your mistake. they aren't made in italy...bugatti were originally french, but now VW own them they are german cars. but still made in france
moshinguitarist 6 months ago
@cbr900 get it through ur red neck head the zr1 is a modern corvette it's not muscle retard !!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 6 months ago
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BlazeeeHD 6 months ago
how the hell are exotics like the gtr r32 which cost an arm and a leg and the supra which also like the gtr r32 is an exotic and costs an arm and a leg, tuners?!
PD19954 7 months ago
@PD19954 The R32 its not an exotic neither the Supra (they are Sports cars) and they dont cost an arm and or leg they're pretty affordable
ucg102 6 months ago
@ucg102 yes $54,000-$72,000 for a r32 is quite affordable... and yes $27.000 (for a supra with over 100,000 miles)-$84,000 (with under 27.000 miles) is EXTREAMLY affordable.... my supra cost $32,000 for 60k miles.
as for not being exotics again the price... supra twin turbos brand new were $54k and are rare due to the fact not many wre made same wih the r32's etc.
PD19954 6 months ago
Well, Them Tuners are Going the Same Speed and Getting Double the Gas Mileage, Think about That.......
GhettoNinjaMan 7 months ago
@GhettoNinjaMan nope i dont see imports doing over 170 in the quarter. and the drifting the american cars are kicking ass in drifting. for everything imports do american car manufacturers come out with something better. like the ZR1 the GTR killer, type in ZR1 drag king done by top gear. and the ZR1 won the 24 hrs of le mans last year. also you can buy an american motor with over 800hp and 850ftlbs for 14k it would cost you at least 20k for an import then you got reliability issues
cbr900rr919 7 months ago
muscle
corvetteZ06zr 7 months ago
muscle is what it is, muscle. tuning is maximizing performance, maybe more towards the direction of efficiency
fgermanboy 7 months ago
Ricers and gay boy racers
SOFSoldier1 7 months ago
@SOFSoldier1 kinda like you
PD19954 7 months ago
@weedfreshness So you argue with NHRA? They specifically say 500 ClD supercharged V8 sparky....
the934x4 7 months ago
@weedfreshness You definatly haven't even hit drinking age yet. An average Honda Civic makes 90-150hp. An averag muscle is RATED at twice that. Most actually produce around 400hp. Much larger starting point. And we can throw heads, cams and blowers on without paying for electronic upgrades to allow it to run.
the934x4 7 months ago
1. The Porsche 911, Bugatti Veyron, Mitsubishi Evo, and Subaru STi are good vehicles IMO. But I'd take muscle first.
the934x4 7 months ago
Muscle
MegaJCMartin94 7 months ago
The arrogant prick is the one who accuses first !! I have an open mind but most muscle car lovers don't !!! My opinion but these videos have alot of evidence backing me up !!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
@pricllypit . Back at you buddy !!!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
A pro street axel set so ya there u go muscle car guys and don't say u can add chips u don't have an ecu
weedfreshness 7 months ago
Top fuel runs 3.3 seconds dumbass and it's not a hemi it's a v6 it can be ford Honda Mazda Toyota dodge ya so shut the fuck up American pride guy.
Ya and also if u put 10k into a any muscle car compared to any tuner the tuner will smoke the tuner because it is lighter and they both start out near same bhp range ok so ya. And all that bullshit that muscle cars can have all the mods tuners can have is false we have performance chips so we never really max till 12 chips and all the parts and then
weedfreshness 7 months ago
The problem here is all u muslce car lovers can't get ur American pride out of ur ass to consider other machines from distant nations !!! This happens with every thing though all u guys critisize every thing that's not American !!!! Formula one ! Soccer ! . Jap imports . Even European super cars !!! Because they aren't American !!!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 hey hey now i bought an 05 altima and i gave japan a try cause everybody said they're the greatest, biggest POS i have ever owned. so back to chevy again. american muscle dose always win the ZR1 won the 24hrs of le mans last year. and type in ZR1 drag king done by top gear it puts the GTR and a Porsche and a Ferrari against it.
cbr900rr919 7 months ago
The9394 what ever ur nick is . Check the videos on the escudo pikes peak u shit head !! Before making up ur arrogant mind !!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
American ignorance u can't fight it !!!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
The buggati can't even reach 330mph, much less in 4 sec, and they're in the same price range so...American iron wins
the934x4 7 months ago
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 1.Your a kid 2. Top Fuel Cars run a 500 CID Supercharged Hemi and run the 1/4 in 4.4 sec@ over 330mph. They have 7,000hp. Your suzki sucks.
the934x4 7 months ago
The escudo is AWD !!! remember that !
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
@EVILIMPERIALISM23 so is the GTR and the ZR1 still whips its ass badly sure the GTR gets the jump for about two car lengths but after about 2 seconds its all over but the crying and the escudo dont hold the pikes peak record.
cbr900rr919 7 months ago
Can a muscle beat . Suzuki escudo pikes peak edition with 985 hp and only weight 900kg I don't think so . Can a muscle beat a buggati veyron I dont think so . Muscle is overrated !!! And old !!
EVILIMPERIALISM23 7 months ago
Fuck tuners. American muscle beats Japanese pussy any day.
WaddleBuff 7 months ago
@FATMIKE5183 Plymouth recommended that the 13.5:1 CR 426 Max Wedge "full throttle bursts" be limited to 15 Seconds. That's because it had a 3 spd and 4.56:1 cogs. That was back in 63, so after 15 seconds the motor would be revving through the roof with no more gears to grab and 1963 valvetrain tech. It still pulled a 12.6 1/4@112
the934x4 7 months ago
So what needs to be done is give someone with a tuner $20,000 and some one with a boss muscle car $20k and put em in a drag at the end to see who wins.
the934x4 7 months ago
By the way, I just reviewed the fast and furious tonight. So I'm gonna lower to most of the tuner guys level and argue that. So, to some it up, the guy who drives the charger drives tuners constantly but says the charger scares the shit out of him when he's asked why he doesn't drive it. Then the supra still can't pull away when it puts a rod through the block. So there's the movie argument.
the934x4 7 months ago
So generally, you push 1300 hp out of one of those snowmobile engines and it's life span drops to less than 30,000miles. More like less than 10k probably. I love NFS/Fast and Furious mechanics. It's great. Simple math tells you that larger displacement=more energy potential. I have no idea why idiots try to argue. Plus the more you overthink the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain.
the934x4 7 months ago