So are you saying that rationality is OBJECTIVELY BETTER than irrational morality? Silly fat, disgusting Atheist. I like the pseudo-intellectual tone you add to your videos, it goes with your asshole persona, too bad in a real conversation you'd go with "Like, O-M-G you silly goose! Religion is bad m'kay?"... and so on and so forth with no hint of intellectualism or a straight point to the matter in hand.
people with faith are liars, its simply dishonest to yourself and spreading it to others is just disgusting, it is possibly the most harmful thing ever to undermine knowlege, imagine if people went against germ theory, it is the same from other things and also, abrahamic religions postulate devils instead of germs soooo....
A cool breeze in this heat reminds me of God's love. You can't see it or touch it in fact theres no logical proof that it's there at all. However you when you really truly come in contact with it, you FEEL its comfort..and thats proof enough
techib1, It is not true that we wouldn't have enduring morality, ethics or worth-while civilization without religion. Those ideas, & also the ones of Jesus which include love, forgiveness, & compassion, were all recognized by people before they were recorded into a religion. religion didn't have much to do with that because WE created religion, it wasn't already here. But with religions like christianity attached, you get the fear of "evil" & ignorance, which are the reasons for violence.
good video and well put, funny to read some of the religious comments here scrabbling for some kind of vague legitimacy for their nonsense. sad to see people going through this strenuous effort to proclaim the unsupportable as truth
how can we help the religious learn to think clearly ?
Religion has handicapped social development in many ways, but without religion there would have been no enduring morality nor ethics, no worth-while civilization. Religion enmothered much nonreligious culture: Sculpture originated in idol making, architecture in temple building, poetry in incantations, music in worship chants, drama in the acting for spirit guidance, and dancing in the seasonal worship festivals.
Truth is what Jesus claimed; it was spoken by him, not because "the bible says so." The bible is not a book, but a collection of historical documents amalgamated into one. What people can do is either to believe or reject his claims. In order to do this we have to look at the evidence such as his execution, burial, and resurrection.
Jesus came to established a new covenant (or relationship) with his people. Many of the laws from the old covenant do not apply to people after this event. Jesus is the final authority because he claims to be God and thus the new testament makes the old one obsolete. (Heb. 8:13)
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Guess what! Atheism is just like any other stupid religion that you're trying to disprove! You go around, you preech your crap about how everything is wrong exept for YOUR opinoin on what is "right". And why? Because you were ENLIGHTENED by science. You just go around claiming that ATHEISM is right and ATHEISM is the only logical explination.
Guess what! You are have no idea what you are talking about! Telling someone they are wrong doesn't qualify as a religion. Words have meaning you know. Atheism is a single stance on ONE issue. Now please stop stewing in your own ignorance.
scientists said God exist to avoid conflict with the church and with people who believe in something unreasonable. faith is the easy way to give answer to the things you're to stupid to understand.
I'm perfectly content with my life. Christians are never content, always want more. One life isn't enough, they insist on eternity in heaven.
If heaven is so much better than life here on Earth, why would anyone want to live here at all? Is it God's little joke? A tease? Or simply a LIE perpetuated by humans?
One good life is plenty. We all die soon enough. I choose to live until then, not waste my wonderful life obsessing about death and all make-believe fairy tales concocted by religion.
Religion is the cure for the disease known as conscience. Religions teach their followers not to get along with anyone of a different (or no) faith. That's why almost all assholes you will ever encounter are members of a religion.
The root of all mankind's troubles can be traced to religion. Countries shunning religion are prospering and living in peace.
I'm with the growing number of people who refuse to go on in a blind faith based life of total bullshit. I'm too smart for that.
Today's CNN Poll shows that 44% of the respondents believe in creatures like BIGFOOT. Guess how many of those "Bigfoot believers" are Christians? How many of them are Atheists?
1 in 100 Christians is in prison. Only 1 in 4,000 Atheists is in prison. What would a Christian make of these numbers?
Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. In order for good people to do bad things, religion is needed.
We all die soon enough. I choose to LIVE without the baggage of religion.
wow give me proof. where do you get these numbers from?
and alot of people turn to christianity in jail
yeah you choose to live about 75 years of your life without religion but what about afterlife. eternity in hell? or eternity in heaven? touch choice...
Just because I don't believe in a higher power doesn't mean I don't care about the world and those in it. Humanity, to me, is wonderful and I feel we must all make our voices heard so that future generations can make sound decisions and continue the species. Obviously what I said bothered you enough to comment. That's why I bother.
@cultsalert Why does he bother? I cant really speak for him directly, so ill speak for my own Atheism. Why do I try to disprove Theistsic beliefs? Well, have you ever heard someone state an incorrect assertion, such as, "The earth is flat", or, "2+2 = 5"? Well, the reason why I argue with theistic arguments is simply because they are factually incorrect, and i have a problem with that... I guess the question is really, "why do i give a shit if what peopl esay is true"? I dunno, im just like that
I don't understand how you can say Christians think Catholics aren't christians, I believe they are, they just use different methods, these methods don't matter as long as we are all saved and going to heaven.
Atheists can say whatever they want, but Nobody knows anything for a certain fact, even if Atheism is true that doesn't mean that all the Atheists in the world are right, they just happened to guess right. Most Atheists have some stupid reasons for believing that there is no God, so if your belief is that God doesnt exist and it just so happens to be true, that doesnt mean that you knew it for a FACT. You just got Lucky.
If your an atheist you do not beluieve in god and if god doesnt exist then all atheists are correct since all atheists believes in the exact same thing in contrast to christianity with over 20.000 different ways to believe in the same God
To tell you the truth on this one all Christians believe the same thing too. We believe God created the earth in 7 days, That God sent Jesus Down to Earth to die for our sins, that Jesus Rose from the dead, The Bible is totally true, And that Jesus is coming back. We dissagree on ways that we preseve the Bible. Kind of like how one Atheist will think differently about one thing yet another Atheist will think the other way. All Christians belive in the same thing.
You disagree on more things then that. for example the bible clearly states that the sabbath is between friday and saturday yet catholics say it's on sunday. like i said there is over 20.000 different ways to believe in the same god wich would naturally mean that there is over 20.000 different interpretations and thus disagreement is inevitable. Have you never had a religios argument with your pastor/priest?
Almost all Christians believe that the sabbath is Sunday. There is only one way to believe in God and that is to talk to Jesus. This is why I think most Christians do not think Catholics are Christians because the teach that you have to go through a priest to get to Jesus. As for my argument with my pastor, no of course not. that is like asking do you have arguments with a coach of a sport. I believe the way my pastor preseves the Bible.
You didn't understand a word I just said, okay, wheather God exists or not isn't the point Im making. What I am saying is, Nobody has any logical proof that God does/doesn't exist, so nobody is right about anything cause it's not like you knew it for a fact, it's just a matter of OPINION, you didn't no for certain. So no matter what the truth is, it doesnt matter cause you can't actually procve anything, you have no facts. I say it again, NO one can be wrong or right over this subject cause.....
Its a 50/50 chance, it's one question.. Does God exist?? Of course someone's gonna be wrong and someone's going to be right but that doesnt mean anyone actually had any evidence or facts to prove that they knew for certain.
ok then please explain to me how does a molecule in space eplode when there is no friction. to my knowledge in physics (which isn't all that great) don't you need friction to have a molecule explode.
funny statement since anti-matter means that is isn't matter and the last time i checked you can't hit something that isn't there. As for Dark matter I have no idea what that is and don't think it is even real.
Gods thoughts and ways are above mans-as the heavens are above the earth...(outerspace that is) Therefor to reason as a man, with a man's understanding, and a mans "wisdom" you will never understand faith. I dare you to ask God to reveal Himself to you.....i'm gonna laugh so hard when He shocks your mind!
Okay... so you're saying that it's impossible for a man to understand god's thoughts yet you presume to understand his thoughts and preach them to me. Right... I've rebuked god, the holy spirit, jesus christ, mohammad, allah, and the easter bunny on a regular basis pal. I rebuke them all right now. I hope you like not laughing.
What case? You've made no case. I can see my tooth just fine with photographs or mirrors. I could rip it out and hold it in the light and see it in my hand. If I can't see it, say because I'm blind, I can run my finger or my tongue across it to prove that it exists. Your tooth analogy is worthless.
It is impossible for you to see my thoughts and my dreams yet we both know that I have them since you have thoughts and dreams as well yet neither of us can prove it to the other. The fact that i have not seen your mother does not mean she doesn't exist since you obviously exist. The question should not be wheter there is a God or not, the question should be who/what created us in the first place. The idea of an allmighty and allknowing God is illogical and impossible in itself
Because i know for a fact that it is there and because i can see it in a mirror and my dentist can see it? im sorry but that has to be the worst argument i've seen in ages
Faith is not irrational but it's what we choose to do. You can not change our beliefs and you can't do anything by your "aethiestic power" to prove God wrong. Also, there are no such thing as true aethiests because they refer to the bible and their research comes from the bible which makes them hopeless. If you have proof that our God does not exist, show us, not by bible but by faith
If you have proof god exists show me facts and repeatable evidence. Otherwise, you're running in circles. The onus of proof isn't on me. I don't make the claim that your god exists, you do. It's your responsibility to prove it to me.
it's no ones responsibility to prove anything to you. you are on your own. when you are judged, you'll be judged alone. it's your responsibility to study and show yourself approved...
He is obviously saying that IF someone tells him "God exists," it is then their responsibility to prove it, rather than him having to disprove it. I'm not sure what there is to 'study' about god. Nothing on earth has ever suggested he exists. That's where we're at right now. Maybe in a few years Jesus will arrive for his 2nd coming or one day a miracle will happen somewhere in the world, but until then...
Ive always wondered about this but it is the person that makes the claim that something exists that has to prove it right? So if i say "there is no such thing as a Grobhar!" I dont have to prove there isn't (after all how can I prove somethings lack of existance?) but rather they have to prove me wrong if they believe that there is in fact a thing called a Grobhar?
We don't aim to change your beliefs. Take your faith and do as you wish with it. Non-theists don't care. Just keep it out of the government, and keep it out of science class. Your last sentence is non-sensical. Atheists don't have spiritual faith. And yes, your Bible actually refutes God multiple times, and it is allegedly the word of God. There are too many signs too ignore. But if you want to continue believing, do so without intervening in the aforementioned.
Well thought out, clearly articulated and utterly irrefutable. I know no argument can convince the devout believer and the fence sitter is the only useful target. What I don't understand is how the devout can hear points like this and still believe. It's exactly these sort of solid arguments that won me over. I would sit with gaping mouth and utter "but, but, but..." but ultimately had to concede. I would be glad to hear a good solid argument from the other side. But I'm not holding my breath.
my dreams are real, my feers scare me, my god lives in the same place, becouse its part of me i cant control it my will is week, some day i will over come him and die.
oh i like Atheism!! u ppl think clear on things and don't think of faith but that person...i'm a muslim u can tell by my name..even if my religion says ur going to hell i still wish u good luck on this life...thx^-^
All beliefs are not proven. If proven they are truths, not beliefs. I have faith there is no God, and all atheists/nontheists have faith in theists telling them the truth that they believe in a God.
Faith is not the problem. Everyone uses it everyday. By demonizing this word you give too much power to theists in my opinion.
H O L Y S H I T !!! I hope you got an A on that paper my friend! I wish I could get that in text! 5 stars, one of the best 10 minutes I've ever spent on youtube.
Why do you have such a hard time believing this? I mean, does it go against your comfortable lifestyle? Is that why you make up these ridiculous rationalizations? Think outside the box, you see, your mind is closed and inside a small world called earth. I also love to hear how you "think" God should be, its really funny!!
It is really revealing to compare your comment above, Glenn, with the video I've just seen (again). That you call Roger a moron is typical of your miniscule and pitiful grasp of the truth and the paucity of words at your command with which to express your frustration. I've seen some of your videos. As you wrote your little diatribe, were the veins standing out in your neck? If you were not generally so hateful it would be tempting to pity you. But you are, and I don't.
I try to correct this as often as I can, not once does the Bible ever state that Mary, mother of the Christ child, was a virgin, this was stated by the Church, again.. not the Bible
There is a difference between knowledge and belief. Faith is a matter of belief, not knowledge, though that belief can be so strong as to constitute "emotional knowledge." Some of the great thinkers of the past, including atheist Friedrich Nietzsche, appealed to emotion as one form of proof of knowledge. Because belief, emotion, and faith are necessary to initiate investigation, they are an integral part of the causal chain that leads to proof, and should not be discarded.
Part of your problem is that you are dealing with a question that cannot be proven according to current methods. To use a rational argument: Just as the only way to PROVE whether electron behavior is random or not is to prove that it is not, the only way to PROVE whether God exists or not, is to prove that he DOES exist. Otherwise all you know is that you haven't yet discovered him.
When used for proof, rationale is (or should be considered) inclusionist, as in a null hypothesis. We use exclusionist rationale in order to be efficient, such as when making decisions to determine an ethical basis for policy. This is part of the reason for the fallacy of the "God says so" argument when determining social prescription. But for decisions for which we have the luxury of time, it is usually best to consider a thing possible until we have proven otherwise.
As long as you're discussing epistomology, consider philosophical giant Rene Descartes. He established quite convincingly that nothing can be known except for the fact that I exist. I can't prove that you exist, or anything else. The concept of human proof relies on acceptance of external sensation and its derivatives. In fact, even Descartes's assumption of proof relies on acceptance that internal logic is, at least in that instance, infallible.
Be sure, Trenholmes, to add "love," "sadness," "happiness," and, well, every other emotion to your list of faith-based realities. We have proof of certain chemicals and bioelectric functions in the brain. But there is no actual proof of emotion itself besides personal experience. Even science is based on faith that our experiences are genuine--that we can trust our senses. So give the anti-faith thesis a rest.
You see, Trenholmes, as much as atheists want to deny they have faith, they must admit (if they are intellectually honest) that they have faith--you just have less faith than theists do.
lets put it there way - Aliens exist due to no proof ( cause that would be faith ) but due to assuming with billions of planets it must be possible so there. Is or is not Religion and or Faith in God the same logic? Faith is hard - atheism is not.
You are approaching the question of extraterrestrial life from a very limiting stance. It's very true that life is likely to exist due to probability. But this "faith" is based entirely on evidence whereas faith in a deity is based on hopes alone.
no - I am approaching it the same way to use the example - same logic = same thing you can't use it for one cause you like the result & refuse the other cause you don't
Again, you are abusing your ability to reason. Yes, the belief that extraterrestrial life as a possiblity takes some sort of "faith" to buy into, but the numbers and scientific data are in favor of such a guess. The belief that a deity of some sort exists holds zero evidence and you belief it only on faith in what others tell you of him (i.e. the Bible and/or church leaders).
Again you try to bend the rules - You admit science and the guess ( no proof )but with religion or God you need proof or what? Same logic but you want to hear what you want to hear - Possibility of big foot etc.. etcc. everything is real if nothing is real.
I'm not sure where you're getting confused. The scientific data behind the hypothesis that alien life exists is backed by hard evidence. The reason it is a hypothesis nd not theory is because we cannot yet test it. The reason your god takes faith to believe in is because no matter what, we can never test the hypothesis of deity.
I am not confused at all. What hard evidence of possible aliens? The thought of - so many stars it's possible? is hard evidence to you - shows how gullable you are. You see by your thought - so many ants - so one must speak perfect french - right - it's possible due to hard evidence.
You're treating the hypothesis as though it's fact. Yes, probablility does dictate that alien life is very likely. Evidence for a deity even in the numbers is nonexistant.
You have the same evidence - Alien believers claim to have seen them etc.. Plenty of Christians that claim the same. Same overwhelming numbers. If you don't traet the Hypothesis as fact then how could you ever prove it right or wrong? You argue everything but the piont.
I don't have the same evidence. Even ignoring all the "close encounters" and sightings, the PROBABILITY (the numbers calculated) are in reasonable favor for LIFE (note: nowhere have I supported that INTELLIGENT life existed elsewhere, just LIFE) to exist elsewhere in the universe. The God Hypothesis doesn't even have a reasonable PROBABILITY.
Reason is your key word - You reason God out & now just life out there of some kind is possible by reason - you change your critearia to meet your end but hold the other side to a constant standard. Evolution is full of holes as is all religion as is all alien thories - all we have is faith - tommorrow is promised to no one.
You know, I was thinking to myself a bit ago, "What other evidence is there for life on other planets?". Of course we have numbers, but that's not concrete evidence. Then I remembered the fossilized remains of bacteria on Mars. Your god holds neither fair numbers nor hard evidence. Life on other worlds is a proven fact (yes, I've changed my stance on that given the evidence provided) while Yahweh and every other deity holds no water whatsoever.
Like when they said there must have been rivers on mars due to the way the sand was laid out till some one reminded those scientists that wind has the same effect on sand. You want real proof - Join or research satanist - easier to find the dark side.
So essentially what you are saying is that the fossilized bacteria are really something else. I'm not even sure how Satanism can be dragged into this, but I'm sure that the "grooves" on Mars are not in sand. They are "carved"--for lack of a better word--in rock. Now, wind over vast amounts of time can erode rock, but not the in the same manner as water. The fashion that theses "grooves" appear to have been "carved" was by water, not wind.
basically we started with one argument then you changed your critearia in order to keep your argument - which means you were WRONG or just weak. A fossil is something crushed between two rocks - untill you have the rock in hand .. ?? pictures are just pictures
And until you can hold solid evidence in your hand for God (like, say, the Garden of Eden which is supposedly still on Earth), a fable is just a fable.
I could always change my qeustion to match the answer I want - but I am not like you. Much of the Bible is an oral tradition as well as parable form and the Garden is not around anymore - you know less as we go along. Original argument included all religions and spiritual beliefs.
If you can't see intelligent design (God) behind everything in life you will never believe in anything. I mean you want scientific proof. Everything in the universe is powered by energy. This energy was smart enough to give and sustain life. Saying that structure has no foundation is crazy. These are the same people that look at patterns for science and base their educated guesses off of that. But the fact that we are conscious beings living in a universe with a design means nothing?
If you can't see that there is more going around you than science then youa are weak. Same folk that say there has to be Alienns due to billions of stars - say there is no God due to too many religions and faith with no proof. Like the no proof of Aliens but it would be faith to assume there are and now..Faith is hard - atheism is not.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who surppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. ROMANS 1:18-20
Well, your rambling a bit but i get the point by the way have you noticed how much Scorpious and Trench too long a name have been arguing? its kind of sad, :-/
Also substitute God with "totality of the universe" and then reread your rambles. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence then makes complete sense as the totality of the Universe of which each individual comprises only but a speck is part of that larger order. Also learn to see the value of metaphor and stop judging metaphorical works such as Genesis on literal terms. THAT is your fallacy. You also have a poor grasp on epistemology. Stop using words you don't understand.
I find it absolutely ironic that you would accuse us of arrogance... we're not the ones who are "chosen" by super magical deities, after all. Nor do we claim divine origins. Nor do we claim divine deaths. Nor do we claim to have access to "absolute truth". Nor do we tell everyone else they're wrong (rather, we ask them to provide evidence for their claims, which they cannot).
"Stop using words you don't understand" - scorpius
Since when has a theist not misused/misunderstood the term "theory"?? Tell your brethren to stop using words they don't comprehend, and encourage them to get a proper education (preferably an accredited university).
Pardon, I was talking to one individual, the one who made the video. You on the other hand are using sweeping generalizations and parsimonious thinking. Don't believe for one second that your subjective and partial view of the world should be confused with the whole. You should read a book called "Ego and Archetype", something based on empirical science, not subjective opinions like Dawkins.
Just learn to step outside of thr nature of the ego and you will begin to develop more. And who said that I claimed that you subscribed to Dawkins? I only said to read this other book in addition. Only then you might get a better understanding of epistemology. Well, good day.
Can you accept that there is an objective order higher than your personal and partial, subjective, and limited understanding? Egocentriciity is a necessary attribute of consciousness and is also its specific "sin"/flaw. Atheists live too much in the dark embrace of subjectivism and overwhelming independance and have but lost all connection to transpersonal understanding and the instinctual psyche.
It's not a sweeping generalization if it's the common denominator and root cause. Also, did it ever occur to you that science is a human invention and thus subject to one-sided approaches. If we think that all that is real is what can be noticed by our five senses, that makes us look like we are the center of the universe. Why does objective reality need our meager five senses to make it real and validate it after the fact?
"Also, did it ever occur to you that science is a human invention and thus subject to one-sided approaches" - scorpius
You clearly have no understanding of the scientific method. But I suppose you have a better method? To just randomly believe in whatever you want to believe in, regardless of whether or not it is falsifiable or has evidence to support it, and thus make it true? Brilliant.
Anyways, I'm already tired of your prosteletizing ramblings, and this conversation clearly isn't going anywhere. Maybe someday you'll listen to someone other than yourself (if you can bear the pain of silence on your end)
Where did I use the term arrogance? I said ego-inflated. It's a completly different meaning. I use the term ego in specific scientific and psychological meaning, not common street understanding. The two different meanings are incompatible. And there is a such thing as "absolute truth" but its too much for the ego to fathom. And I want YOU to provide evidence for atheistic claims.
"And I want YOU to provide evidence for atheistic claims." - scorpius
Atheistic claims? Like "science works"? You want a book list, or a list of colleges to go to? (I recommend looking up ACE accreditation lists)
Or do you refer to the "God probably doesn't exist" statement? Need I remind you that the burden of proof is on *you*? And why should we seek to disprove that which you don't have any evidence for in the first place?
That's just silly table turning. To make a counter-claim requires direct proof just like you demand of the claims from theists. I have given proof of the common denominator of all atheists, via the inherent nature of the ego. You can't see the God that others claim mainly because you don't know what to look for, and also partially because you simultaneously don't wish to.
Scorpius, you have provided no proof of anything since you've began your ramblings here. You are only prosteletizing with pseudo-scientific concepts you learned in a first-year college course. You display only an ignorance of the atheist perspective, and knock down your own straw men.
No, it isn't. It is a logical fallacy to prove a negative. What you are saying is that "Well if you can't disprove the existence of pink unicorns, then pink unicorns must exist!"
Table turning? That is what you are doing to avoid the issue that pink unicorns don't exist (or at least I don't have ample reason to believe in them)
You should take an inventory of yourslef and ask yourself if you are stuck in a protracted adolesence and trying too hard to become an individual. Since when did any other living species concern itself with trying to be unique and being an individual? These are all characteristics of having an ego in the first place.
"You should take an inventory of yourslef ... These are all characteristics of having an ego in the first place." - Scorpius
Pardon again, but you know nothing about who I am and have not heard anything about my side of the issue. Quit making assumptions, and acting as though you can educate me in how to live my life. I don't need your biased, subjective 'guidance', thanks.
Same disconnected arguments as usual from another ego-inflated atheist who refuses to accept that there is a higher order/authority than their personal and subjective view. When the ego loses cooperative connection with the unconscious that it was born from and thus any connection of psychic totality, you become blind to "god" and also natural instincts within.
Religion is the Opium of the masses said Karl Marx. I believe that religion is one big fairy-tale and that faith is a hindrance in the path of human progress.Depending on religion alone, we should have continued to wallow in barbarism.
Best anti-religion video of all time, as far as I'm concerned. Presented so intelligently, and structured so perfectly, how can I not show this to my God-hugging grandmother? Thank you very much :D
On that exact subject, a few years ago she bought me a large book on why evolution was wrong, following our religious arguments. It only took the eye colour example to put that one of the way, so I know she is weak to this kind of video.
atheism is irrational, and entirely based off faith...faith is belief without evidence...atheists have belief without evidence that God does not exist...also your logic is FUCKED...an absence of evidence for an unverifiable claim does is not evidence of absence it's like saying the many-worlds interpretation must be false...also atheists do not believe in free-will since all thoughts are simply the results of chemical reactions...
i think you need to watch the video again because you've missed some fundemental points. plus, atheism isn't based on faith. it's only a lack of belief in all dieties and supernatural because there is no evidence to substantiate it. you would realize my logic is solid if you paid closer attention rather than allowing your preconceptions to cloud your judgment.
atheism is based on faith, you faith (belief without evidence) that there's no reason to believe in God or the supernatural, however the only logical conclusion is that there is no reason to believe nor disbelieve an unverifiable claim because there is no way of knowing if an unverifiable claim is true...
the onus of proof is on you. you claim an unverifiable idea. Atheists don't make that claim. If I were to say to you that I have a pocket full of smurfs but only i could see them, it would be up to me to prove to you that they exist. You would, sensibly, disbelieve my claim since I would be unable to present you evidence and thus you would be an a-smurfest of my claim. It doesn't require faith to not believe something unprovable. Your notion is tautologically absurd.
Atheists make the claim that God doesn't exist or there's no reason to believe in God, which is incorrect, in reality (something atheists do not live in, they prefer fantasy), there's no reason to believe nor disbelieve an unverifiable claim since it's unverifiable it means that there's no way to know if it's true or false...
I implore you to read more on the subject of logic, philosophy, and argumentation. I'm afraid your position is untenable and your tautology is standard among theist, unoriginal, and I've argued against it ad naseum. If you wish to debate, make a vid and I'll reply in kind. Good luck to you and be well.
You know, this video does close the book on a lot of theist/atheist debates, but it does not mean you're done here. You rock my world, and my world is ready to be rocked again.
I'm not one of those Atheists that doesnt believe that there is more to reality than what meets the eye. I think there is so much more to reality that mankind cannot begin to fathom how the Universe came about and why.
All valid points - Ignore the British guy, anyone who feels the need to insult you based on an opinion of the cosmos is simply....well - your an atheist...Im sure you understand.
Keep preachin' Atheism....sooner or later there may be enough of us to make a difference, maybe even save the world from ourselves as a race...if we could only manage to get someone intelligent to run the country. Sam Harris?
hehe thanks for the kind words. Anyone that has to argue I'm ugly in order to win a religious debate doesn't really understand the idea of debating. I'm not hurt by his ignorance. I more so hope that every word we atheists spread can help bring the world one step closer to rationality. =)
The very reason I saw this video is because I am a subscriber. If you want to see Roger actually exchanging ideas with someone, and honestly considering someone else's ideas, watch "the truth about absolute truths". Roger does a great job with that one. My opinion of course.
40 Year Old Virgin much.....?!!
princepersia1 7 months ago
So are you saying that rationality is OBJECTIVELY BETTER than irrational morality? Silly fat, disgusting Atheist. I like the pseudo-intellectual tone you add to your videos, it goes with your asshole persona, too bad in a real conversation you'd go with "Like, O-M-G you silly goose! Religion is bad m'kay?"... and so on and so forth with no hint of intellectualism or a straight point to the matter in hand.
Cujucuyo 1 year ago
Right ON!!!!!!!!!!!
So great to hear an intelligent argument about religion.
I thank you...
bcbdancer 1 year ago
people with faith are liars, its simply dishonest to yourself and spreading it to others is just disgusting, it is possibly the most harmful thing ever to undermine knowlege, imagine if people went against germ theory, it is the same from other things and also, abrahamic religions postulate devils instead of germs soooo....
blazereef 1 year ago
A cool breeze in this heat reminds me of God's love. You can't see it or touch it in fact theres no logical proof that it's there at all. However you when you really truly come in contact with it, you FEEL its comfort..and thats proof enough
bcalhoun100 1 year ago
this guy talks against Christianity which is fake in the first place
Omgtheykilledme 1 year ago
techib1, It is not true that we wouldn't have enduring morality, ethics or worth-while civilization without religion. Those ideas, & also the ones of Jesus which include love, forgiveness, & compassion, were all recognized by people before they were recorded into a religion. religion didn't have much to do with that because WE created religion, it wasn't already here. But with religions like christianity attached, you get the fear of "evil" & ignorance, which are the reasons for violence.
Freakntheworld 2 years ago
that is one of the best and clearest video's i have ever seen on youtube!
MrLePov 2 years ago
you are SO wrong..
steeeeevve 2 years ago
Your argument is flawless. I concede. Praise Jesus.
Trenholmes 2 years ago
It is pointless arguing with the dogmatic mind.
It is like arguing with an evangelical.
steeeeevve 2 years ago
Why do people obsess themselves with the absence of a belief on their part,or the presence of a belief or faith on the part of others?
ProtoCosmos 2 years ago
That was the most cogent, well expressed summary of faith and religious ideologies I have ever seen. Bravo!
Christheatheist1 2 years ago
good video and well put, funny to read some of the religious comments here scrabbling for some kind of vague legitimacy for their nonsense. sad to see people going through this strenuous effort to proclaim the unsupportable as truth
how can we help the religious learn to think clearly ?
how can we rid the earth of dogma ?
freezatron 2 years ago
Religion has handicapped social development in many ways, but without religion there would have been no enduring morality nor ethics, no worth-while civilization. Religion enmothered much nonreligious culture: Sculpture originated in idol making, architecture in temple building, poetry in incantations, music in worship chants, drama in the acting for spirit guidance, and dancing in the seasonal worship festivals.
The Urantia book
techib1 2 years ago
Straw man argument. Faith isn't the foundation of all religions. For Christianity at least, TRUTH is the foundation, not faith.
RebelRay 2 years ago
And, how can you assume that truth is the foundation of Christianity?
Imagine if the Bible says that a pink unicorn is the one who created the Universe and all living beings. Would you believe it then?
titan1235813 2 years ago
Truth is what Jesus claimed; it was spoken by him, not because "the bible says so." The bible is not a book, but a collection of historical documents amalgamated into one. What people can do is either to believe or reject his claims. In order to do this we have to look at the evidence such as his execution, burial, and resurrection.
chauychauy 2 years ago
If you are a true Christian you must go out and kill everyone who works on Sunday. If you have read the bible you know this.
Exodus 31:15
This is also stated as the 4th commandment.
Next time you are at church tell the priest he is breaking one of gods laws and must now die for it.
The Bible is "truth" right? Then you have to do it. LOL!
Rykar69 2 years ago
Jesus came to established a new covenant (or relationship) with his people. Many of the laws from the old covenant do not apply to people after this event. Jesus is the final authority because he claims to be God and thus the new testament makes the old one obsolete. (Heb. 8:13)
chauychauy 2 years ago
RebelRay, thankyou for this demonstration of a straw man arguement
how are we to except this truth without proof ?
faith perchance ?
freezatron 2 years ago
RebelRay: LOL! You say "strawman" and then you throw out a fallacy!
Christheatheist1 2 years ago
I dont think you said apistamolgical enough, and you read off your computer screen very well.
rgladden1 3 years ago
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Guess what! Atheism is just like any other stupid religion that you're trying to disprove! You go around, you preech your crap about how everything is wrong exept for YOUR opinoin on what is "right". And why? Because you were ENLIGHTENED by science. You just go around claiming that ATHEISM is right and ATHEISM is the only logical explination.
You're being a total hypocrit.
oingashpoop 3 years ago
Guess what! You are have no idea what you are talking about! Telling someone they are wrong doesn't qualify as a religion. Words have meaning you know. Atheism is a single stance on ONE issue. Now please stop stewing in your own ignorance.
ampere11 3 years ago
scientists said God exist to avoid conflict with the church and with people who believe in something unreasonable. faith is the easy way to give answer to the things you're to stupid to understand.
jhnlck 3 years ago
I'm perfectly content with my life. Christians are never content, always want more. One life isn't enough, they insist on eternity in heaven.
If heaven is so much better than life here on Earth, why would anyone want to live here at all? Is it God's little joke? A tease? Or simply a LIE perpetuated by humans?
One good life is plenty. We all die soon enough. I choose to live until then, not waste my wonderful life obsessing about death and all make-believe fairy tales concocted by religion.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
hey stop looking on some website and come up with your own arguments.
and yes science has proven God exists so thank you :)
DVSPaintball 3 years ago
Why can't everyone make this kind of sense? To speak with intelligence, relying on facts and without the need to mislead, cover up or confuse.
Life's too short for wasting a chunk of it dwelling on the unknowable, while shunning known facts. Religion does absolutley nothing else.
Thank you for your contribution to rational thought. I wish I had your linguistic gift, but I'm already content sharing the common sense!
polkadotbox2 3 years ago 3
Religion is the cure for the disease known as conscience. Religions teach their followers not to get along with anyone of a different (or no) faith. That's why almost all assholes you will ever encounter are members of a religion.
The root of all mankind's troubles can be traced to religion. Countries shunning religion are prospering and living in peace.
I'm with the growing number of people who refuse to go on in a blind faith based life of total bullshit. I'm too smart for that.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
you're too smart to accept there is a God. or too hard hearted. too ignorant. too delussional. too scared.
trust me. your anything but too smart. you're too scared to accept a higher being in your life, that can lead you to a better life.
you aren't too smart for that.
DVSPaintball 3 years ago
Today's CNN Poll shows that 44% of the respondents believe in creatures like BIGFOOT. Guess how many of those "Bigfoot believers" are Christians? How many of them are Atheists?
1 in 100 Christians is in prison. Only 1 in 4,000 Atheists is in prison. What would a Christian make of these numbers?
Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. In order for good people to do bad things, religion is needed.
We all die soon enough. I choose to LIVE without the baggage of religion.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
wow give me proof. where do you get these numbers from?
and alot of people turn to christianity in jail
yeah you choose to live about 75 years of your life without religion but what about afterlife. eternity in hell? or eternity in heaven? touch choice...
DVSPaintball 3 years ago
CNN is not The National Enquirer. You can access their headlines. Don't take my word for it.
With Christian (or any other) faith, you MUST take the word of those making claims tha make no sense.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
how about you giving a proof heaven and hell even exist. other that pure faith without arguments.
jhnlck 3 years ago
Why do you bother? You don't believe anything then you really should be free from everything.
cultsalert 3 years ago
Just because I don't believe in a higher power doesn't mean I don't care about the world and those in it. Humanity, to me, is wonderful and I feel we must all make our voices heard so that future generations can make sound decisions and continue the species. Obviously what I said bothered you enough to comment. That's why I bother.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
Keep up the good work.
cultsalert 3 years ago
Thanks, and you keep asking questions of people. Everyone should be challenged especially ourselves.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
@cultsalert Why does he bother? I cant really speak for him directly, so ill speak for my own Atheism. Why do I try to disprove Theistsic beliefs? Well, have you ever heard someone state an incorrect assertion, such as, "The earth is flat", or, "2+2 = 5"? Well, the reason why I argue with theistic arguments is simply because they are factually incorrect, and i have a problem with that... I guess the question is really, "why do i give a shit if what peopl esay is true"? I dunno, im just like that
FOOFlGHTERS 1 year ago
I don't understand how you can say Christians think Catholics aren't christians, I believe they are, they just use different methods, these methods don't matter as long as we are all saved and going to heaven.
ImStrongEnough 3 years ago
...nothing is for certain without evidence or facts. Understand what Im saying now??
andy77718 3 years ago
Atheists can say whatever they want, but Nobody knows anything for a certain fact, even if Atheism is true that doesn't mean that all the Atheists in the world are right, they just happened to guess right. Most Atheists have some stupid reasons for believing that there is no God, so if your belief is that God doesnt exist and it just so happens to be true, that doesnt mean that you knew it for a FACT. You just got Lucky.
andy77718 3 years ago
If your an atheist you do not beluieve in god and if god doesnt exist then all atheists are correct since all atheists believes in the exact same thing in contrast to christianity with over 20.000 different ways to believe in the same God
Saemaey 3 years ago
To tell you the truth on this one all Christians believe the same thing too. We believe God created the earth in 7 days, That God sent Jesus Down to Earth to die for our sins, that Jesus Rose from the dead, The Bible is totally true, And that Jesus is coming back. We dissagree on ways that we preseve the Bible. Kind of like how one Atheist will think differently about one thing yet another Atheist will think the other way. All Christians belive in the same thing.
deanwells1234 3 years ago
You disagree on more things then that. for example the bible clearly states that the sabbath is between friday and saturday yet catholics say it's on sunday. like i said there is over 20.000 different ways to believe in the same god wich would naturally mean that there is over 20.000 different interpretations and thus disagreement is inevitable. Have you never had a religios argument with your pastor/priest?
Saemaey 3 years ago
Almost all Christians believe that the sabbath is Sunday. There is only one way to believe in God and that is to talk to Jesus. This is why I think most Christians do not think Catholics are Christians because the teach that you have to go through a priest to get to Jesus. As for my argument with my pastor, no of course not. that is like asking do you have arguments with a coach of a sport. I believe the way my pastor preseves the Bible.
deanwells1234 3 years ago
You didn't understand a word I just said, okay, wheather God exists or not isn't the point Im making. What I am saying is, Nobody has any logical proof that God does/doesn't exist, so nobody is right about anything cause it's not like you knew it for a fact, it's just a matter of OPINION, you didn't no for certain. So no matter what the truth is, it doesnt matter cause you can't actually procve anything, you have no facts. I say it again, NO one can be wrong or right over this subject cause.....
andy77718 3 years ago
Its a 50/50 chance, it's one question.. Does God exist?? Of course someone's gonna be wrong and someone's going to be right but that doesnt mean anyone actually had any evidence or facts to prove that they knew for certain.
andy77718 3 years ago
evolution also has no evidence so is it also a belief?
deanwells1234 3 years ago
There's a plethora of evidence to prove evolution. The opposite can be said for intelligent design.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
ok then please explain to me how does a molecule in space eplode when there is no friction. to my knowledge in physics (which isn't all that great) don't you need friction to have a molecule explode.
deanwells1234 3 years ago
Thank you, my point exactly.
andy77718 3 years ago
Thank you, my point exactly
andy77718 3 years ago
Matter collides with anti-matter or darkmatter?
Saemaey 3 years ago
funny statement since anti-matter means that is isn't matter and the last time i checked you can't hit something that isn't there. As for Dark matter I have no idea what that is and don't think it is even real.
deanwells1234 3 years ago
I applaud you:-)
Yehji 3 years ago
Gods thoughts and ways are above mans-as the heavens are above the earth...(outerspace that is) Therefor to reason as a man, with a man's understanding, and a mans "wisdom" you will never understand faith. I dare you to ask God to reveal Himself to you.....i'm gonna laugh so hard when He shocks your mind!
albertason 3 years ago
Okay... so you're saying that it's impossible for a man to understand god's thoughts yet you presume to understand his thoughts and preach them to me. Right... I've rebuked god, the holy spirit, jesus christ, mohammad, allah, and the easter bunny on a regular basis pal. I rebuke them all right now. I hope you like not laughing.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
So you still believe in Santa Claus then? :D
Saemaey 3 years ago
have you ever had a toothache? how do you know it was your tooth aching if you can't see it? if your answer is because you feel it, i rest my case...
albertason 3 years ago
What case? You've made no case. I can see my tooth just fine with photographs or mirrors. I could rip it out and hold it in the light and see it in my hand. If I can't see it, say because I'm blind, I can run my finger or my tongue across it to prove that it exists. Your tooth analogy is worthless.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
It is impossible for you to see my thoughts and my dreams yet we both know that I have them since you have thoughts and dreams as well yet neither of us can prove it to the other. The fact that i have not seen your mother does not mean she doesn't exist since you obviously exist. The question should not be wheter there is a God or not, the question should be who/what created us in the first place. The idea of an allmighty and allknowing God is illogical and impossible in itself
Saemaey 3 years ago
Because i know for a fact that it is there and because i can see it in a mirror and my dentist can see it? im sorry but that has to be the worst argument i've seen in ages
Saemaey 3 years ago
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
albertason 3 years ago
Faith is not irrational but it's what we choose to do. You can not change our beliefs and you can't do anything by your "aethiestic power" to prove God wrong. Also, there are no such thing as true aethiests because they refer to the bible and their research comes from the bible which makes them hopeless. If you have proof that our God does not exist, show us, not by bible but by faith
JesusChristForgaveMe 3 years ago
If you have proof god exists show me facts and repeatable evidence. Otherwise, you're running in circles. The onus of proof isn't on me. I don't make the claim that your god exists, you do. It's your responsibility to prove it to me.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
it's no ones responsibility to prove anything to you. you are on your own. when you are judged, you'll be judged alone. it's your responsibility to study and show yourself approved...
albertason 3 years ago
He is obviously saying that IF someone tells him "God exists," it is then their responsibility to prove it, rather than him having to disprove it. I'm not sure what there is to 'study' about god. Nothing on earth has ever suggested he exists. That's where we're at right now. Maybe in a few years Jesus will arrive for his 2nd coming or one day a miracle will happen somewhere in the world, but until then...
photekxl 3 years ago
Ive always wondered about this but it is the person that makes the claim that something exists that has to prove it right? So if i say "there is no such thing as a Grobhar!" I dont have to prove there isn't (after all how can I prove somethings lack of existance?) but rather they have to prove me wrong if they believe that there is in fact a thing called a Grobhar?
Saemaey 3 years ago
We don't aim to change your beliefs. Take your faith and do as you wish with it. Non-theists don't care. Just keep it out of the government, and keep it out of science class. Your last sentence is non-sensical. Atheists don't have spiritual faith. And yes, your Bible actually refutes God multiple times, and it is allegedly the word of God. There are too many signs too ignore. But if you want to continue believing, do so without intervening in the aforementioned.
photekxl 3 years ago 2
Well thought out, clearly articulated and utterly irrefutable. I know no argument can convince the devout believer and the fence sitter is the only useful target. What I don't understand is how the devout can hear points like this and still believe. It's exactly these sort of solid arguments that won me over. I would sit with gaping mouth and utter "but, but, but..." but ultimately had to concede. I would be glad to hear a good solid argument from the other side. But I'm not holding my breath.
jfosterdyess 3 years ago
my dreams are real, my feers scare me, my god lives in the same place, becouse its part of me i cant control it my will is week, some day i will over come him and die.
sdgorham 3 years ago
no no, you should take a high powered rifle and kill him first! and you know where he is? he is everywhere so shoot everyone and then urself.
mazdaplz 3 years ago
WOW... Well said sir... well said...
Badmoval 3 years ago
That's why I left it. Your video gets 10+ stars.
Blueslipstream 3 years ago
oh i like Atheism!! u ppl think clear on things and don't think of faith but that person...i'm a muslim u can tell by my name..even if my religion says ur going to hell i still wish u good luck on this life...thx^-^
Abdi2220 3 years ago
lol
EternalFire00 3 years ago
All beliefs are not proven. If proven they are truths, not beliefs. I have faith there is no God, and all atheists/nontheists have faith in theists telling them the truth that they believe in a God.
Faith is not the problem. Everyone uses it everyday. By demonizing this word you give too much power to theists in my opinion.
gklr 3 years ago
If truths are proven, doesn't that make them a fact? Are truth and fact the same thing then?
Applextr 3 years ago
oh my gosh. you sir get 5 stars and i am subbing to
jackoadeetayo1 3 years ago
This video is just too perfect. Unfortunately, this will do nothing to believers. They are willingly ignorant.
EternalFire00 4 years ago
I write for the fence sitters, not the believers. I agree that the devout cannot be convinced by any argument.
Trenholmes 4 years ago
Smart.
Anyway, when is a new video coming?
EternalFire00 4 years ago
H O L Y S H I T !!! I hope you got an A on that paper my friend! I wish I could get that in text! 5 stars, one of the best 10 minutes I've ever spent on youtube.
nsane87 4 years ago
Nice one. You gain a new subscriber. 5/5
imaginenoreligion 4 years ago
Your using the word faith, but your not using it in it's correct context. You should be using the word think, or belief.
Faith means belief without proof.
Belief means with evidence.
TheThomaswastaken 4 years ago
Excellent video, leaves the believers one out.
"Sure omni-anything is illogical but so is god."
TheThomaswastaken 4 years ago
Why do you have such a hard time believing this? I mean, does it go against your comfortable lifestyle? Is that why you make up these ridiculous rationalizations? Think outside the box, you see, your mind is closed and inside a small world called earth. I also love to hear how you "think" God should be, its really funny!!
Shemseed 4 years ago
Why does he have a hard time believing something without any supporting evidence to convince him?
Why does he have a hard time believing it?
The whole history of science dissuades him of belief.
TheThomaswastaken 4 years ago
Why does he have a hard time believing something without any supporting evidence to convince him?
Why does he have a hard time believing it?
The whole history of science dissuades him of belief.
TheThomaswastaken 4 years ago
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What an IDIOT, I'll pray for you.
jase7725 4 years ago
I'd rather rot in hell than have you pray for me. Please don't bother.
Trenholmes 4 years ago
Fucking 5 stars.
EternalFire00 4 years ago 2
It is really revealing to compare your comment above, Glenn, with the video I've just seen (again). That you call Roger a moron is typical of your miniscule and pitiful grasp of the truth and the paucity of words at your command with which to express your frustration. I've seen some of your videos. As you wrote your little diatribe, were the veins standing out in your neck? If you were not generally so hateful it would be tempting to pity you. But you are, and I don't.
Largo64 4 years ago 4
I try to correct this as often as I can, not once does the Bible ever state that Mary, mother of the Christ child, was a virgin, this was stated by the Church, again.. not the Bible
Nate6921 4 years ago
Luke 1:34
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
Luke 1:33-35 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter)
TheThomaswastaken 4 years ago
My question is: Can god escape his own fate?
someweirdgayguy 4 years ago
My answer is another question: Would god WANT to escape his own fate?
sedlonarime 4 years ago
There is a difference between knowledge and belief. Faith is a matter of belief, not knowledge, though that belief can be so strong as to constitute "emotional knowledge." Some of the great thinkers of the past, including atheist Friedrich Nietzsche, appealed to emotion as one form of proof of knowledge. Because belief, emotion, and faith are necessary to initiate investigation, they are an integral part of the causal chain that leads to proof, and should not be discarded.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
Part of your problem is that you are dealing with a question that cannot be proven according to current methods. To use a rational argument: Just as the only way to PROVE whether electron behavior is random or not is to prove that it is not, the only way to PROVE whether God exists or not, is to prove that he DOES exist. Otherwise all you know is that you haven't yet discovered him.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
When used for proof, rationale is (or should be considered) inclusionist, as in a null hypothesis. We use exclusionist rationale in order to be efficient, such as when making decisions to determine an ethical basis for policy. This is part of the reason for the fallacy of the "God says so" argument when determining social prescription. But for decisions for which we have the luxury of time, it is usually best to consider a thing possible until we have proven otherwise.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
As long as you're discussing epistomology, consider philosophical giant Rene Descartes. He established quite convincingly that nothing can be known except for the fact that I exist. I can't prove that you exist, or anything else. The concept of human proof relies on acceptance of external sensation and its derivatives. In fact, even Descartes's assumption of proof relies on acceptance that internal logic is, at least in that instance, infallible.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
Be sure, Trenholmes, to add "love," "sadness," "happiness," and, well, every other emotion to your list of faith-based realities. We have proof of certain chemicals and bioelectric functions in the brain. But there is no actual proof of emotion itself besides personal experience. Even science is based on faith that our experiences are genuine--that we can trust our senses. So give the anti-faith thesis a rest.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
You see, Trenholmes, as much as atheists want to deny they have faith, they must admit (if they are intellectually honest) that they have faith--you just have less faith than theists do.
sedlonarime 4 years ago
lets put it there way - Aliens exist due to no proof ( cause that would be faith ) but due to assuming with billions of planets it must be possible so there. Is or is not Religion and or Faith in God the same logic? Faith is hard - atheism is not.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
You are approaching the question of extraterrestrial life from a very limiting stance. It's very true that life is likely to exist due to probability. But this "faith" is based entirely on evidence whereas faith in a deity is based on hopes alone.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
no - I am approaching it the same way to use the example - same logic = same thing you can't use it for one cause you like the result & refuse the other cause you don't
monkeycage2 4 years ago
Again, you are abusing your ability to reason. Yes, the belief that extraterrestrial life as a possiblity takes some sort of "faith" to buy into, but the numbers and scientific data are in favor of such a guess. The belief that a deity of some sort exists holds zero evidence and you belief it only on faith in what others tell you of him (i.e. the Bible and/or church leaders).
nonreligionist 4 years ago
Again you try to bend the rules - You admit science and the guess ( no proof )but with religion or God you need proof or what? Same logic but you want to hear what you want to hear - Possibility of big foot etc.. etcc. everything is real if nothing is real.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
I'm not sure where you're getting confused. The scientific data behind the hypothesis that alien life exists is backed by hard evidence. The reason it is a hypothesis nd not theory is because we cannot yet test it. The reason your god takes faith to believe in is because no matter what, we can never test the hypothesis of deity.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
I am not confused at all. What hard evidence of possible aliens? The thought of - so many stars it's possible? is hard evidence to you - shows how gullable you are. You see by your thought - so many ants - so one must speak perfect french - right - it's possible due to hard evidence.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
You're treating the hypothesis as though it's fact. Yes, probablility does dictate that alien life is very likely. Evidence for a deity even in the numbers is nonexistant.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
You have the same evidence - Alien believers claim to have seen them etc.. Plenty of Christians that claim the same. Same overwhelming numbers. If you don't traet the Hypothesis as fact then how could you ever prove it right or wrong? You argue everything but the piont.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
I don't have the same evidence. Even ignoring all the "close encounters" and sightings, the PROBABILITY (the numbers calculated) are in reasonable favor for LIFE (note: nowhere have I supported that INTELLIGENT life existed elsewhere, just LIFE) to exist elsewhere in the universe. The God Hypothesis doesn't even have a reasonable PROBABILITY.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
Reason is your key word - You reason God out & now just life out there of some kind is possible by reason - you change your critearia to meet your end but hold the other side to a constant standard. Evolution is full of holes as is all religion as is all alien thories - all we have is faith - tommorrow is promised to no one.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
You know, I was thinking to myself a bit ago, "What other evidence is there for life on other planets?". Of course we have numbers, but that's not concrete evidence. Then I remembered the fossilized remains of bacteria on Mars. Your god holds neither fair numbers nor hard evidence. Life on other worlds is a proven fact (yes, I've changed my stance on that given the evidence provided) while Yahweh and every other deity holds no water whatsoever.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
Like when they said there must have been rivers on mars due to the way the sand was laid out till some one reminded those scientists that wind has the same effect on sand. You want real proof - Join or research satanist - easier to find the dark side.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
So essentially what you are saying is that the fossilized bacteria are really something else. I'm not even sure how Satanism can be dragged into this, but I'm sure that the "grooves" on Mars are not in sand. They are "carved"--for lack of a better word--in rock. Now, wind over vast amounts of time can erode rock, but not the in the same manner as water. The fashion that theses "grooves" appear to have been "carved" was by water, not wind.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
basically we started with one argument then you changed your critearia in order to keep your argument - which means you were WRONG or just weak. A fossil is something crushed between two rocks - untill you have the rock in hand .. ?? pictures are just pictures
monkeycage2 4 years ago
And until you can hold solid evidence in your hand for God (like, say, the Garden of Eden which is supposedly still on Earth), a fable is just a fable.
nonreligionist 4 years ago
I could always change my qeustion to match the answer I want - but I am not like you. Much of the Bible is an oral tradition as well as parable form and the Garden is not around anymore - you know less as we go along. Original argument included all religions and spiritual beliefs.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
If you can't see intelligent design (God) behind everything in life you will never believe in anything. I mean you want scientific proof. Everything in the universe is powered by energy. This energy was smart enough to give and sustain life. Saying that structure has no foundation is crazy. These are the same people that look at patterns for science and base their educated guesses off of that. But the fact that we are conscious beings living in a universe with a design means nothing?
Galicia1981 4 years ago
If you can't see that there is more going around you than science then youa are weak. Same folk that say there has to be Alienns due to billions of stars - say there is no God due to too many religions and faith with no proof. Like the no proof of Aliens but it would be faith to assume there are and now..Faith is hard - atheism is not.
monkeycage2 4 years ago
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who surppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. ROMANS 1:18-20
1qm2z3 4 years ago
yay! * claps *
austron 4 years ago
If these are your words - write a book!
5 stars and faved.
askegg 4 years ago
Well, your rambling a bit but i get the point by the way have you noticed how much Scorpious and Trench too long a name have been arguing? its kind of sad, :-/
OldmanDante 4 years ago
Also substitute God with "totality of the universe" and then reread your rambles. Omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence then makes complete sense as the totality of the Universe of which each individual comprises only but a speck is part of that larger order. Also learn to see the value of metaphor and stop judging metaphorical works such as Genesis on literal terms. THAT is your fallacy. You also have a poor grasp on epistemology. Stop using words you don't understand.
scorpius319 4 years ago
I find it absolutely ironic that you would accuse us of arrogance... we're not the ones who are "chosen" by super magical deities, after all. Nor do we claim divine origins. Nor do we claim divine deaths. Nor do we claim to have access to "absolute truth". Nor do we tell everyone else they're wrong (rather, we ask them to provide evidence for their claims, which they cannot).
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
"Stop using words you don't understand" - scorpius
Since when has a theist not misused/misunderstood the term "theory"?? Tell your brethren to stop using words they don't comprehend, and encourage them to get a proper education (preferably an accredited university).
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
Pardon, I was talking to one individual, the one who made the video. You on the other hand are using sweeping generalizations and parsimonious thinking. Don't believe for one second that your subjective and partial view of the world should be confused with the whole. You should read a book called "Ego and Archetype", something based on empirical science, not subjective opinions like Dawkins.
scorpius319 4 years ago
Who said I subscribe to the opinions of Dawkins? I recommend you not use sweeping genralizations and parsimonius thinking.
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
Just learn to step outside of thr nature of the ego and you will begin to develop more. And who said that I claimed that you subscribed to Dawkins? I only said to read this other book in addition. Only then you might get a better understanding of epistemology. Well, good day.
scorpius319 4 years ago
Can you accept that there is an objective order higher than your personal and partial, subjective, and limited understanding? Egocentriciity is a necessary attribute of consciousness and is also its specific "sin"/flaw. Atheists live too much in the dark embrace of subjectivism and overwhelming independance and have but lost all connection to transpersonal understanding and the instinctual psyche.
scorpius319 4 years ago
"Can you accept that there is an objective order higher than your personal and partial, subjective, and limited understanding?" - Scorpius
YES, absolutely. Pardon, but you clearly have no understanding of what it is I believe.
"Atheists live too much in the dark embrace of subjectivism ..." - Scorpius
What was that about sweeping generalizations again??
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
It's not a sweeping generalization if it's the common denominator and root cause. Also, did it ever occur to you that science is a human invention and thus subject to one-sided approaches. If we think that all that is real is what can be noticed by our five senses, that makes us look like we are the center of the universe. Why does objective reality need our meager five senses to make it real and validate it after the fact?
scorpius319 4 years ago
"Also, did it ever occur to you that science is a human invention and thus subject to one-sided approaches" - scorpius
You clearly have no understanding of the scientific method. But I suppose you have a better method? To just randomly believe in whatever you want to believe in, regardless of whether or not it is falsifiable or has evidence to support it, and thus make it true? Brilliant.
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
Anyways, I'm already tired of your prosteletizing ramblings, and this conversation clearly isn't going anywhere. Maybe someday you'll listen to someone other than yourself (if you can bear the pain of silence on your end)
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
Where did I use the term arrogance? I said ego-inflated. It's a completly different meaning. I use the term ego in specific scientific and psychological meaning, not common street understanding. The two different meanings are incompatible. And there is a such thing as "absolute truth" but its too much for the ego to fathom. And I want YOU to provide evidence for atheistic claims.
scorpius319 4 years ago
"And I want YOU to provide evidence for atheistic claims." - scorpius
Atheistic claims? Like "science works"? You want a book list, or a list of colleges to go to? (I recommend looking up ACE accreditation lists)
Or do you refer to the "God probably doesn't exist" statement? Need I remind you that the burden of proof is on *you*? And why should we seek to disprove that which you don't have any evidence for in the first place?
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
That's just silly table turning. To make a counter-claim requires direct proof just like you demand of the claims from theists. I have given proof of the common denominator of all atheists, via the inherent nature of the ego. You can't see the God that others claim mainly because you don't know what to look for, and also partially because you simultaneously don't wish to.
scorpius319 4 years ago
Scorpius, you have provided no proof of anything since you've began your ramblings here. You are only prosteletizing with pseudo-scientific concepts you learned in a first-year college course. You display only an ignorance of the atheist perspective, and knock down your own straw men.
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
"That's just silly table turning" - scorpius
No, it isn't. It is a logical fallacy to prove a negative. What you are saying is that "Well if you can't disprove the existence of pink unicorns, then pink unicorns must exist!"
Table turning? That is what you are doing to avoid the issue that pink unicorns don't exist (or at least I don't have ample reason to believe in them)
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago 2
You should take an inventory of yourslef and ask yourself if you are stuck in a protracted adolesence and trying too hard to become an individual. Since when did any other living species concern itself with trying to be unique and being an individual? These are all characteristics of having an ego in the first place.
scorpius319 4 years ago
"You should take an inventory of yourslef ... These are all characteristics of having an ego in the first place." - Scorpius
Pardon again, but you know nothing about who I am and have not heard anything about my side of the issue. Quit making assumptions, and acting as though you can educate me in how to live my life. I don't need your biased, subjective 'guidance', thanks.
TrenchantAtheist 4 years ago
Same disconnected arguments as usual from another ego-inflated atheist who refuses to accept that there is a higher order/authority than their personal and subjective view. When the ego loses cooperative connection with the unconscious that it was born from and thus any connection of psychic totality, you become blind to "god" and also natural instincts within.
scorpius319 4 years ago
Nicely argued/presented.
Antitheistguy 4 years ago
Religion is the Opium of the masses said Karl Marx. I believe that religion is one big fairy-tale and that faith is a hindrance in the path of human progress.Depending on religion alone, we should have continued to wallow in barbarism.
santino666 4 years ago
Best anti-religion video of all time, as far as I'm concerned. Presented so intelligently, and structured so perfectly, how can I not show this to my God-hugging grandmother? Thank you very much :D
DrFrag 4 years ago
Hey, if she stops buying you gifts or feeding you please don't blame me! =) Thanks for the kind words! =D
Trenholmes 4 years ago
On that exact subject, a few years ago she bought me a large book on why evolution was wrong, following our religious arguments. It only took the eye colour example to put that one of the way, so I know she is weak to this kind of video.
DrFrag 4 years ago
atheism is irrational, and entirely based off faith...faith is belief without evidence...atheists have belief without evidence that God does not exist...also your logic is FUCKED...an absence of evidence for an unverifiable claim does is not evidence of absence it's like saying the many-worlds interpretation must be false...also atheists do not believe in free-will since all thoughts are simply the results of chemical reactions...
itsnobody 4 years ago
i think you need to watch the video again because you've missed some fundemental points. plus, atheism isn't based on faith. it's only a lack of belief in all dieties and supernatural because there is no evidence to substantiate it. you would realize my logic is solid if you paid closer attention rather than allowing your preconceptions to cloud your judgment.
Trenholmes 4 years ago
atheism is based on faith, you faith (belief without evidence) that there's no reason to believe in God or the supernatural, however the only logical conclusion is that there is no reason to believe nor disbelieve an unverifiable claim because there is no way of knowing if an unverifiable claim is true...
itsnobody 4 years ago
the onus of proof is on you. you claim an unverifiable idea. Atheists don't make that claim. If I were to say to you that I have a pocket full of smurfs but only i could see them, it would be up to me to prove to you that they exist. You would, sensibly, disbelieve my claim since I would be unable to present you evidence and thus you would be an a-smurfest of my claim. It doesn't require faith to not believe something unprovable. Your notion is tautologically absurd.
Trenholmes 4 years ago
Atheists make the claim that God doesn't exist or there's no reason to believe in God, which is incorrect, in reality (something atheists do not live in, they prefer fantasy), there's no reason to believe nor disbelieve an unverifiable claim since it's unverifiable it means that there's no way to know if it's true or false...
itsnobody 4 years ago
I implore you to read more on the subject of logic, philosophy, and argumentation. I'm afraid your position is untenable and your tautology is standard among theist, unoriginal, and I've argued against it ad naseum. If you wish to debate, make a vid and I'll reply in kind. Good luck to you and be well.
Trenholmes 4 years ago
You know, this video does close the book on a lot of theist/atheist debates, but it does not mean you're done here. You rock my world, and my world is ready to be rocked again.
snowfeet 4 years ago
its coming i swear! just so busy! =D
Trenholmes 4 years ago
Woo-hoo! It's okay to have a life outside of YouTube. I guess. No rush, 'just missing you. :)
snowfeet 4 years ago
I'm not one of those Atheists that doesnt believe that there is more to reality than what meets the eye. I think there is so much more to reality that mankind cannot begin to fathom how the Universe came about and why.
Towelietowel 4 years ago
All valid points - Ignore the British guy, anyone who feels the need to insult you based on an opinion of the cosmos is simply....well - your an atheist...Im sure you understand.
Keep preachin' Atheism....sooner or later there may be enough of us to make a difference, maybe even save the world from ourselves as a race...if we could only manage to get someone intelligent to run the country. Sam Harris?
RHESTA 4 years ago
hehe thanks for the kind words. Anyone that has to argue I'm ugly in order to win a religious debate doesn't really understand the idea of debating. I'm not hurt by his ignorance. I more so hope that every word we atheists spread can help bring the world one step closer to rationality. =)
Trenholmes 4 years ago
You sure did tell me. I am defeated. /killsself
Trenholmes 4 years ago
awesome!!
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
The very reason I saw this video is because I am a subscriber. If you want to see Roger actually exchanging ideas with someone, and honestly considering someone else's ideas, watch "the truth about absolute truths". Roger does a great job with that one. My opinion of course.
rUTokKIN2ME 4 years ago