I'm a grad student at Penn for math. This video is totally wrong. I was just like this kid at the beginning of my junior year of undergrad. I eventually figured out that actual math was more intense, but luckily I never had a professor talk to me like this or I never would have even tried. My professors inspired me, like they should. Math is very hard, but it's not impossible. STUPID VIDEO.
@oringent: Could you either provide a source for your argument or at the very least define what "real mathematics" is in your opinion? Much of the research done by PhD candidates for their is audited for months or even a year, depending on the difficulty of the topic and length. I don't believe that they have "absolutely no clue" about their subject, otherwise their would not be able to do their dissertation or defense.
@wwkong92 that's my personal observation. There are very few ppl that can do quality work on their own and become a name in academia. Most ppl get jobs because they just don't have what it takes and yet they manage to get their PhD because their professors hold their hands and provide most of the input for their dissertation. Even at top notch unis you can get a math PhD without really having what it takes just by studying a lot.
Typical arrogance of a math guy that thinks he does God's work. The truth is 90% of all math PhDs have absolutely no clue about real mathematics and yet they get their PhD. You are totally overestimating the difficulty of your subject brah.
Story of @oringent 's life: was once just like the kid in this video. Attempted to obtain math PhD. Failed. Now collects welfare, lives in his mother's basement and posts rage comments on mathematics-related YouTube videos.
@litsky Story of litsky's life: thought he knew math, got his PhD with half his thesis written by his professor. Now realizes he's not good enough to get anything published by himself and accepted a job in a bank feeling like the piece of shit whore he became.
I like the messages you send but this seems quite different to colleges in New Zealand. I have just finished undergrad and all that is advised here was taught at an undergrad level, "double and triple integrals" were a bare minimum and rigorous proof writing was present in 2 of my undergrad papers.
So I'm just wondering, are there really universities that leave undergrads without any experience with proofs? Agreeing with your advice, that seems horribly flawed
@FU0C0 Thank you. Yes, most undergrads in math curriculums in the US do have exposure to proofs but they can get around much of the rigor by majoring in math education.
PhD in mathematics? I'd rather commit suicide. Respect goes to those who can understand math like if it was learning the alphabet. God knows I'll never be good at mathematics even if my life depended on it! LOL, I must have dyscalculia. I hate math so much.
For me, it's easier than any other subject. In almost any other subject, you have to know all of the little details. You have to know the topic, how it was brought up and by whom, its uses, how to apply it, etc.
In math, you just have to know the rules, how they work, and why they work. Once you've got that down, it's just a matter of not screwing up any calculations.
@coolsnow7 That is so true. Some may be exceptional in other areas which may make up for it (i.e. Algegra, Topology, Number Theory, etc.) but there are always overlaps.
@Haseeb2 Absolutely. I just noticed that the professor was like "you need to know existence and uniqueness (which is just everything), measure theory (analysis), calculus of variations (analysis)..." I don't remember everything else and I'm in a library but you get the idea.
@GoddessofPoetry9 Focus on the totality of the message instead of what it makes you feel like on the surface. What exactly was said? Why do you typecast me based on watching one of my videos? Watch more of them before assuming you know my character
@Haseeb2 I'm sorry if it came out against you specifically. My comment was made out of anger but it was against the video itself and the video's message. What is the purpose of stressing the negative in wanting a successful, advanced career? Unfortunately, I won't be wasting my time watching some more of these videos. I just hope you don't take this as me assuming your character and apologize, but also believe that this video in someways targets people who want these types of careers
@GoddessofPoetry9 The video is not about going into a career, but preparing for the long and arduous road which comes before a career. If you are interested in pursuing a PhD in anything, make sure you know exactly what you are getting into and 'break a leg'. Do not assume you are ready just because you did well in one or two courses which are very rudimentary.
@Haseeb2@Haseeb2 I watched another one before this which is about "so you want to have a phD in clinical psychology". It was my anger in that one rather than this specifically. The comment that all the men left after one graduated from such a school would either be crazy or homosexual. And all of these students look very "nerdy". It was rather insulting, that specific video, I believe.
It's a better life than that...in REAL life..Success is reachable. Aim high, overcome the evident obstacles, and love your work. If you incorporate both love and work into your life, everything is possible, both success and compassion. Success is counted sweetest by those who do not succeed, and those who do not succeed want to draw those who will down with them...and they are so lacking in skills to do so that all they can do is make such vids...lol...crazy!!
@GoddessofPoetry9 Before typecasting me based on the content of one of my videos, watch more of them and the ask yourself if your statement was valid. Also, take your time to listen exactly to what is being said in the video and understand the totality of the message instead of jumping to conclusions and assumptions based on mostly an emotional reaction.
The kid has a year and a half of college under his belt, and has done extremely well in math, so he is beginning to take a preliminary look at grad school. What the hell is wrong with that?
Contrary to the apparent claims of the "professor", early prodigy status in high school (not always available) is not a requirement nor even strongly associated with long term professional success, and people who do well in intro courses usually do well in advanced courses, too.
God this is pretentious. Some people are naturally curious and good at math/logic. They shouldn't be encouraged to "specialize". That doesn't leave much room for the big unifying theories. In fact, the especially deep shouldn't even be encouraged to attend formal school. I left school years ago and my mathematical work has picked up immensely through indie study. Math is taught "backwards" in most formal settings.
This video is so stereotyped. You don't discourage a young scholar who is interested in mathematics just because he doesn't have an overall broad view of it. When I started studying mathematics, I didn't know at first where I was going until I read a little further in more advanced and interesting topics like topology and differential geometry in my 3rd year of college.
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The prof is so cute. He is generally right. I know many friends, who, like the kid in the video, took maths because they were good at Linear Algebra or Differential Equations. Then they get slaughtered in the Analysis (Real, Functional), Topology courses
This video is painfully elitist and I hate it when people try to turn people off to mathematics just because it may be hard to obtain a graduate degree from the most elite schools in the country. I aced multivariable first semester of freshman year without studying and am in DiffEq and Abstract Algebra second semester.
Kinda funny video, but way too pessimistic. Also, a phD in applied math is about as valuable as one in mechanical or electrical engineering, and that's very very valuable if we use salary as a measure. Whoever said they are worthless is being too general.
This video is really stupid and the English is inconsistent. For example, he refers to it as "Maths" which is British English but calls "post-graduate school" (British English), graduate school ("American English"). Also, it is pretty sad that in the US most undergraduate programs give you almost no exposure to real mathematics.
@brydust Mathematics is way more fun when you start working on the applied side say Actuarial mathematics/probability and statistics, it uses lots of set theory, integral calculus, and geometric series. I am doing math with concentration in actuarial mathematics and its pretty fun. Math should be fun not like this cartoon guy suggests. Actuarial math = math wizzard+Decent $200k++ salary +E[Becoming CEO/Owner]=Pretty good damm career.
@lvgcoolman13 Yeah, I agree. I actually do applied math. I'm just now completeing a masters in quantum chemistry and do loads of optimization, so I totally have an appreciation for applied mathematics, but I also LOVE to do pure math, its like a playground for the mind.
I gotta say, this one is actually a lot more optimistic than most of the "So you want a Ph.D..." videos (in which the professor gives 193 different reasons why anyone considering graduate school should just forget about it because it is the worst decision you can ever make in your life)...
Pretty garbage video. No relationship between a math phD being Ivy League and being top tier. Undergraduate prestige =/= graduate prestige. In addition, the idea that applied mathematics is "child's play" compared to pure mathematics is incorrect. They are simply different skillsets.
@bozellandbuckley Yes, you are right. Regardless of the emphasis and specialty however, one must complete the core requirements of the program which usually involves the main areas (i.e. Real Analysis, Topology and Algebra) of mathematics. Differential equations on a very advanced level can be very arcane even when it's applied.
@Haseeb2 In my school the math core includes all those you mentioned for the exeption of topology. Topology is included in the pure math concentration only. I wonder if topology is useful in the real world because I see no engineering major taking it nor applied math majors such as actuaries.
@lvgcoolman13 It can be, but for the most part only on a very theoretical level. I don't know about actuarial mathematics but there are PhD dissertations and MS thesis in applied math areas like Physics and materials science which utilize certain Topology areas like manifolds. There is a lot of colaboration between Mathematics and Physics. Most people think that the applied math is just differential equations.
Yes. The problem though, is that formal schools (like Princeton) but their math kids in finance after teaching them a lot about using geometrical algorithms on the market. This is a mistake. The market is fractal in behavior. Can't figure out whether most financial maths people get duped or whether they just don't care.
@SaveTheWheat A few days ago I opened a book for a few min on diff equations by oksendal from my school's library and its notation blew my mind out. Thats probably because I am barely at the level of A first course in probability by Ross lol.
@bozellandbuckley Undergraduate prestige does not always equal graduate prestige. Elite undergraduate schools such as Harvey Mudd College for example are first rate places for an undergraduate degree in Mathematics or any of the other hard sciences, but they are not regarded as a top tier graduate schools. Usually however, the top graduate schools are also strong undergraduate schools.
@bozellandbuckley Harvard, Princeton and MIT all have insanely good math programs full of Putnam and IMO gods... Yale and Upenn lack their rarefied air but still are chock-full of summa cum laude graduates and brilliant men like Mandelbrot (well, while he was alive)... it would be somewhat facetious to say there's a complete lack of correlation between prestigious undergrad and grad institutions. Ivies have money, and where there's money there's usually opportunity...
@bozellandbuckley It depends on what kind of mathematical person you are. I for example took Calculus for the time in 11 grade. So really your argument is two sided.
I took Analysis from a postdoc from Poland. He told us that in Eastern Europe, they spend an entire year on this one subject alone, it was the backbone of most math. At Oregon, they spent ten weeks. He pretty much told us that the school was doing a horrible job of teaching math when they weren't making an adequate effort to get students an adequate background in the material. It seems that if you want to understand math, Eastern European nations are some of the finest in the world.
Physics/engineering is generally a healthier alternative for most of you. I am doing a PhD so taking many grad level math courses as well, and although I appreciate them, they are really for doing research. Physics offers a broader job market and adding the math extras (set theory, differential geometry etc) is easy when you need them. But if you are really really sure you want the academic path in mathematics, go ahead :-)
@muesk3 You would think that they would. But in reality they are there to take your student loans and give you and an inferior education. I attended a Pac-12 school where the most flunked class was College Algebra. Nothing collegiate about it, it was a blown up hs algebra/trig course. Despite the fact that most students needed the best teachers in order to understand the material, a GTF/GA with no experience trying to keep his/her head above water was assigned. No wonder so many flunked.
@muesk3 It's probably due to the fact that most of your citizens value education and understand its worth. In the US, most of us have no idea what makes a good education, and have no context in order to discern what is good or bad. In the US, college has become a scam, and the amount of loans which college students bear is over $1Trillion! One trillion $'s for this level of inadequacy? In many ways Americans are imbeciles.....
If the objective of the video is to bore people away from maths who express an interest in it, it's probably going to work.
Why not give the kid a book introducing some of the more advanced stuff and get them interested, instead of a sermon on their inadequacies which is bound to just destroy them?
If they have an interest in calculus, it's likely they'll get a kick out of other things too.
@CostaDelBarto I completely agree with you. This video is elitist, the person who made this video probably fails to understand that there are people behind math, and they are human. Hence, it is possible for anyone to work their way up to understand the abstract concepts in upper level math.
@analyticannoyance It depends on the specialty. For example, the University of Texas has perhaps the best Topology program in pure Mathematics in the country. Yale is a good school to go to for Analysis and yes all of the schools you mentioned are good, but when one is pursuing a graduate education they should be mindful of what they would like to specialize in, talk to some of the professors in their areas of interest and read journal publications by the profs there.
@analyticannoyance It depends on which area of speciality. Upenn is the top tier school in Mathematical Physics and String theory. It is one of the few schools where mathematicians and physicists come together and collaborate, where pure math (rather than applied math) such as algebraic geometry is used to describe the physical world.
these are funny but annoying. if you enjoyed calculus, you're likely to enjoy other maths. don't get discouraged by hearing about these "crazy difficult things" with names you've never heard of. as you progress you'll get to them and get through them. you don't all of a sudden get bad at math once you hit a point, unless something big in yourself changes
@whisperr33 I don't think it's fair to say that if you've enjoyed calculus, you're likely to enjoy Analysis. I don't even think you'd find the slightest correlation.
Can someone wih real job experience comment on this? After getting a degree in Communicationstudies, but with a science background, I'm thinking of studying mathematics as about the only way to get a prestigious job by differentiating myself from all other applicants in being the best analytically skilled. Are you really competing with Albert Einsteins in the field of mathematics??
why would someone that's aced an abstract algebra course be stupid enough to think he could specialize in double or triple integrals in graduate school?
@shaneymane15 If you want to go to grad school, topology for sure. First courses in both topology and real analysis are nice to take in the same semester.
@mphello and to continue, this post is all about stuff that has nothing to do with the jobs you were working. why would being a applying for a job as a janitor and having experiance at being a janitor in anyway be related to voting
I've had jobs, and the things one does on the job over and over are an INSIGNIFICANT little slice of knowledge out of the large amount of things I learned in school.
@mphello im talking about working a job itself. job experiance in the job of that type, from what ive seen atleast, is atleast as valuable as formal education. If you are a person working at a factory putting in a bolt to a car tire, you leave that job for that company to work for another doing the same then job experiance makes a difference.
@mphello You are right... That is why I had the prof. Mention such school as Ohio State, Penn State and Texas. These schools and others have first rate mathematics departments where you can get just as good an education, if not better than at an Ivy League school.
The "professor" in this video is right about the vast difference between writing hardcore proofs versus doing "piddly calculus problems" (which are hard enough). However, he is dead wrong about intimidating this "student" with BS about how far "superior" Ivy League schools are. No need to waste money on BS private schools. A sufficiently large university in graduate school is just as good as these overpriced private schools.
Ultimately, the value of the student's education will depend
I wish I had studied harder in my graduate math courses. I wish the professors had drilled us in those upper level math courses in the same way that I was drilled in my undergraduate engineering courses.
Not saying I blew off graduate math courses entirely. I would never do that.
I worked hard, just not as hard as I would have liked.
@mphello I have a master's degree; not a PhD, but you are right on. I try to tell everyone that the physics and math that one learns at ANY major univrsity is the same as the physics and math taught at the Ivy League schools.
Also, thompkinsbrian said = you leave that job for that company to work for another doing the same then job experiance makes a difference =
Yes. Of course, doing the same narrow thing on a job qualifies one to do the same narrow thing somewhere else.
It is not academic degrees that are useless. It is the narrow-mindedness and stupidity of the attitude of employers (their hiring decision algorithms) that is worthless, unjust, and destructive to the economy.
@User5973 I have a phd in theoretical physics from an unknown university. I published in physical review letter, etc, so no differences here. The only difference is your network...I was unemployed, and they have a job. So, at the end of the day, Ivy league universities always win because you can't prove a theorem when you sleep on the street.
The value of "work" experience is different for everybody.
"Work" experience is bullshit for everybody.
I have a math PhD, and I don't recommend it for everyone, but NOT because of some politically correct ideology put out by capitalists and business majors who want to do no work for themselves while demanding free labor from everyone else, while they steal "working" for Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.
I don't recommend it because it is the hardest job you will ever do.
@mphello .. totally and fanatically committed to earning a PhD in Mathematics - PURELY for its own sake and the great value it adds to society, and NOT because of ANY bullshit non-existent "job prospect" afterwards.
It will become your entire life. It will be the greatest measure of the value of yourself as a human being.
@mphello i am not sure what you mean by the first two statements here. Work experiance doesnt vary depending on what you are doing, but to say its bullshit for everybody doesn't make any sense. I work as a weather forecaster and no amount of school actually teaches you what you will learn over years of forecasting. Work experiance also has added benefits on the education you recieved. Constant use of principals you learned in training and school allow you to recall them much easier.
I've had multiple jobs: legal assistant, lawyer, janitor. No amount of those jobs teaches me anything about the rules and dynamics of politics, nor teaches me a thing about the consequences of my votes and consumer choices: e.g. voting for Democrats and Republicans directly kills and imprisons millions of people, eating meat directly breeds tortures and kills innocent animals.
So, to say "job experience is more important than formal education is true for everybody" makes
Major in Business or Communication...while you are in undergraduate school get 2-3 years wroth of internships in the field you want to go into and boom, decent life, not to much debt, and good possibility for advancement.
Internships / work experience are more important than what you choose to study.
Apparently this professor is unaware of the copious amounts of research being done on using distribution theory for solving PDEs.... that involves tons of integration, integration by parts (which is the primary motivator for the definition of weak derivatives), and, of course, differential equations. Granted, more nuanced and sophisticated than what the student is referring too, but it seems to me like the student could easily research what they want to research....
When I studied ekonomics at uni people failed the math part - wheres I hade like 95/100 points. Now when I studie math I have hade exams with 0/30 points. It is a huge differens and then it is not even on a master level.
Don't dispute the vids sentiment, but I learned quite a bit of math by studying Physics. My first uni was terrible at teaching the subject but when I transferred to a uni which put an emphasis on teaching rather than research I learned both. Math doesn't supplant physics, it supplements it and it learning WHY I needed the math, then it became quite a lot easier to understand and use. The vid prof is right, get a broad overview of the subject before plunging into grad school.
what the hell is everyone talking about, abstract algebra and real analysis are work intensive but easy... if you have the right prereqs. the only reason it's hard for people is because they didn't have practice with combinatorics or (proof) calculus (or anything to build maturity) and jump into the hard stuff, like going from noun/verb to shakespeare. universities can't structure the 'prereqs', mainly because they can't fit it into a course schedule
Real analysis is very different from combinatorics. It is hard to newbies because it is very abstract and a fundamentally different way of looking at the world. Lebesgue integrals? Sigma-algebras? Radon-Nikodym theorem? Covering spaces? The Axiom of Choice? No prerequisites really prepare you for that. It's a quantum leap in consciousness, literally.
I know, because I test these ideas on those who have NOT gone through RA, and I can see they have no clue what I mean.
there's truth in it but i mean what is the point of this, it's not that entertaining and not very comical. In fact, the robotically generated voices make it practically unbearable to listen to
Solid advice. I was in a similar situation and eventually realized how little math I actually knew. I wish somebody would be saying more like his advice to students now.
Thank Goodness for MIT open course ware and the Open University. That way you can get an overview for free and no one can stop you from progressing. I am quite evangelistic about mathematics I think the more people there are working on problem such a chaos for instance the faster break through will happen. Mathematics isn't about tradition.
God, and I thought Differential Equations raped my sorry ass. It was the first mathematics course I ever got an A- in (straight A's in the rest). That stuff about existence and uniqueness brought back some nightmares--probably child's play to the uploader.
I am a bit of a hobby mathematician. Why would you want to stop people from studying maths. I am not happy with our inability to predict chaotic pattern forming in the logistic formula for instance. Don't try to slow people down get them working on that problem and many others now. Time is short.
God this is arrogant and humourless.
hamfisto 3 days ago
I'm a grad student at Penn for math. This video is totally wrong. I was just like this kid at the beginning of my junior year of undergrad. I eventually figured out that actual math was more intense, but luckily I never had a professor talk to me like this or I never would have even tried. My professors inspired me, like they should. Math is very hard, but it's not impossible. STUPID VIDEO.
BoBBoFU 3 days ago 4
@oringent: Could you either provide a source for your argument or at the very least define what "real mathematics" is in your opinion? Much of the research done by PhD candidates for their is audited for months or even a year, depending on the difficulty of the topic and length. I don't believe that they have "absolutely no clue" about their subject, otherwise their would not be able to do their dissertation or defense.
wwkong92 5 days ago
@wwkong92 that's my personal observation. There are very few ppl that can do quality work on their own and become a name in academia. Most ppl get jobs because they just don't have what it takes and yet they manage to get their PhD because their professors hold their hands and provide most of the input for their dissertation. Even at top notch unis you can get a math PhD without really having what it takes just by studying a lot.
oringent 2 days ago
Typical arrogance of a math guy that thinks he does God's work. The truth is 90% of all math PhDs have absolutely no clue about real mathematics and yet they get their PhD. You are totally overestimating the difficulty of your subject brah.
oringent 6 days ago
Story of @oringent 's life: was once just like the kid in this video. Attempted to obtain math PhD. Failed. Now collects welfare, lives in his mother's basement and posts rage comments on mathematics-related YouTube videos.
litsky 5 days ago
@litsky Story of litsky's life: thought he knew math, got his PhD with half his thesis written by his professor. Now realizes he's not good enough to get anything published by himself and accepted a job in a bank feeling like the piece of shit whore he became.
oringent 2 days ago
speaking as a phd student, this video is damn solid advice. you'd think you'd encounter sarcasm here, but it's all true.
jvl4289 1 week ago
Non messieurs US Math Undergrads are child's play :o
Saad1218 1 week ago
I wasn't expecting much, but this was actually a fantastic video.
KaoriBlue 1 week ago
What made you decide to want to go to graduate school for mathematics?
It were the bow-ties sir.
Jcolinsol 1 week ago
Jesus if you this good at math, fuck a PH.D, go into engineering and make something of yourself
DaytonaRoadster 1 week ago
I like the messages you send but this seems quite different to colleges in New Zealand. I have just finished undergrad and all that is advised here was taught at an undergrad level, "double and triple integrals" were a bare minimum and rigorous proof writing was present in 2 of my undergrad papers.
So I'm just wondering, are there really universities that leave undergrads without any experience with proofs? Agreeing with your advice, that seems horribly flawed
FU0C0 1 week ago
@FU0C0 Thank you. Yes, most undergrads in math curriculums in the US do have exposure to proofs but they can get around much of the rigor by majoring in math education.
Haseeb2 1 week ago
The misplaced arogance of this guy.
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PhD in mathematics? I'd rather commit suicide. Respect goes to those who can understand math like if it was learning the alphabet. God knows I'll never be good at mathematics even if my life depended on it! LOL, I must have dyscalculia. I hate math so much.
UltraMan4Life7009 2 weeks ago
@UltraMan4Life7009 I used to hate math. Now I love it.
For me, it's easier than any other subject. In almost any other subject, you have to know all of the little details. You have to know the topic, how it was brought up and by whom, its uses, how to apply it, etc.
In math, you just have to know the rules, how they work, and why they work. Once you've got that down, it's just a matter of not screwing up any calculations.
Less memory, more practice. I like it.
Curthe93 2 weeks ago
Wow. This video is great! This is exactly what I needed to hear.
NaturalSweep 2 weeks ago
Just saying, you can go to grad school without focusing solely on analysis...
coolsnow7 3 weeks ago
@coolsnow7 That is so true. Some may be exceptional in other areas which may make up for it (i.e. Algegra, Topology, Number Theory, etc.) but there are always overlaps.
Haseeb2 3 weeks ago
@Haseeb2 Absolutely. I just noticed that the professor was like "you need to know existence and uniqueness (which is just everything), measure theory (analysis), calculus of variations (analysis)..." I don't remember everything else and I'm in a library but you get the idea.
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CyberJuanito 3 weeks ago
@GoddessofPoetry9 Focus on the totality of the message instead of what it makes you feel like on the surface. What exactly was said? Why do you typecast me based on watching one of my videos? Watch more of them before assuming you know my character
Haseeb2 3 weeks ago
@Haseeb2 I'm sorry if it came out against you specifically. My comment was made out of anger but it was against the video itself and the video's message. What is the purpose of stressing the negative in wanting a successful, advanced career? Unfortunately, I won't be wasting my time watching some more of these videos. I just hope you don't take this as me assuming your character and apologize, but also believe that this video in someways targets people who want these types of careers
GoddessofPoetry9 3 weeks ago
@GoddessofPoetry9 The video is not about going into a career, but preparing for the long and arduous road which comes before a career. If you are interested in pursuing a PhD in anything, make sure you know exactly what you are getting into and 'break a leg'. Do not assume you are ready just because you did well in one or two courses which are very rudimentary.
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@Haseeb2 @Haseeb2 I watched another one before this which is about "so you want to have a phD in clinical psychology". It was my anger in that one rather than this specifically. The comment that all the men left after one graduated from such a school would either be crazy or homosexual. And all of these students look very "nerdy". It was rather insulting, that specific video, I believe.
GoddessofPoetry9 3 weeks ago
@Haseeb2 in the future and I being this type of student makes me feel indignant against some of the portrayals in this video.
GoddessofPoetry9 3 weeks ago
It's a better life than that...in REAL life..Success is reachable. Aim high, overcome the evident obstacles, and love your work. If you incorporate both love and work into your life, everything is possible, both success and compassion. Success is counted sweetest by those who do not succeed, and those who do not succeed want to draw those who will down with them...and they are so lacking in skills to do so that all they can do is make such vids...lol...crazy!!
GoddessofPoetry9 3 weeks ago
@GoddessofPoetry9 Before typecasting me based on the content of one of my videos, watch more of them and the ask yourself if your statement was valid. Also, take your time to listen exactly to what is being said in the video and understand the totality of the message instead of jumping to conclusions and assumptions based on mostly an emotional reaction.
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GoddessofPoetry9 3 weeks ago
I have both math and physics degrees but I could never focus on pure Math. Extremely theoretical for me.
Neueregel 4 weeks ago
The kid has a year and a half of college under his belt, and has done extremely well in math, so he is beginning to take a preliminary look at grad school. What the hell is wrong with that?
Contrary to the apparent claims of the "professor", early prodigy status in high school (not always available) is not a requirement nor even strongly associated with long term professional success, and people who do well in intro courses usually do well in advanced courses, too.
haroldlanceevans 4 weeks ago
God this is pretentious. Some people are naturally curious and good at math/logic. They shouldn't be encouraged to "specialize". That doesn't leave much room for the big unifying theories. In fact, the especially deep shouldn't even be encouraged to attend formal school. I left school years ago and my mathematical work has picked up immensely through indie study. Math is taught "backwards" in most formal settings.
SaveTheWheat 1 month ago
This video is so stereotyped. You don't discourage a young scholar who is interested in mathematics just because he doesn't have an overall broad view of it. When I started studying mathematics, I didn't know at first where I was going until I read a little further in more advanced and interesting topics like topology and differential geometry in my 3rd year of college.
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bundawartini 1 month ago
Did my Masters in Double integrals, and just presented my phD dissertation on triple integrals.
cfbta30 1 month ago 8
The prof is so cute. He is generally right. I know many friends, who, like the kid in the video, took maths because they were good at Linear Algebra or Differential Equations. Then they get slaughtered in the Analysis (Real, Functional), Topology courses
xurumeng 1 month ago
very scary and di-motivating video, just 2 minutes in.
THE16THPHANTOM 1 month ago
This video is painfully elitist and I hate it when people try to turn people off to mathematics just because it may be hard to obtain a graduate degree from the most elite schools in the country. I aced multivariable first semester of freshman year without studying and am in DiffEq and Abstract Algebra second semester.
Tr3xKuro 1 month ago
Kinda funny video, but way too pessimistic. Also, a phD in applied math is about as valuable as one in mechanical or electrical engineering, and that's very very valuable if we use salary as a measure. Whoever said they are worthless is being too general.
trav2718 2 months ago
This video made me so mad I farted on the screen to remind me that it's shit!!!
WorldwideSynthetic 2 months ago
I read a some comment and it just shows that you don't have any sense of humor...
Albertolo1928 2 months ago
This video is really stupid and the English is inconsistent. For example, he refers to it as "Maths" which is British English but calls "post-graduate school" (British English), graduate school ("American English"). Also, it is pretty sad that in the US most undergraduate programs give you almost no exposure to real mathematics.
brydust 2 months ago
@brydust Mathematics is way more fun when you start working on the applied side say Actuarial mathematics/probability and statistics, it uses lots of set theory, integral calculus, and geometric series. I am doing math with concentration in actuarial mathematics and its pretty fun. Math should be fun not like this cartoon guy suggests. Actuarial math = math wizzard+Decent $200k++ salary +E[Becoming CEO/Owner]=Pretty good damm career.
lvgcoolman13 1 month ago
@lvgcoolman13 Yeah, I agree. I actually do applied math. I'm just now completeing a masters in quantum chemistry and do loads of optimization, so I totally have an appreciation for applied mathematics, but I also LOVE to do pure math, its like a playground for the mind.
brydust 1 month ago
@lvgcoolman13 More like 60-100K $.... 200K $ don't come easily these days, unless you are in Microsoft, Apple IBM or something.
Neueregel 4 weeks ago
Oops. I just saw that the vid was made with Xtranormal.
Barnacle392 2 months ago
What software was used in the making of this animation? Looks good.
Barnacle392 2 months ago
I gotta say, this one is actually a lot more optimistic than most of the "So you want a Ph.D..." videos (in which the professor gives 193 different reasons why anyone considering graduate school should just forget about it because it is the worst decision you can ever make in your life)...
MetalSandman999 2 months ago 3
This video seems to suggest that Abstract Algebra isn't proof oriented...What Abstract Algebra class did you take? All we did were proofs.
MrMccaberules 2 months ago
Pretty garbage video. No relationship between a math phD being Ivy League and being top tier. Undergraduate prestige =/= graduate prestige. In addition, the idea that applied mathematics is "child's play" compared to pure mathematics is incorrect. They are simply different skillsets.
bozellandbuckley 2 months ago 9
@bozellandbuckley Moreover, there is such a thing as a PhD in applied mathematics, which could easily be focused on differential equations.
bozellandbuckley 2 months ago
@bozellandbuckley Yes, you are right. Regardless of the emphasis and specialty however, one must complete the core requirements of the program which usually involves the main areas (i.e. Real Analysis, Topology and Algebra) of mathematics. Differential equations on a very advanced level can be very arcane even when it's applied.
Haseeb2 2 months ago
@Haseeb2 In my school the math core includes all those you mentioned for the exeption of topology. Topology is included in the pure math concentration only. I wonder if topology is useful in the real world because I see no engineering major taking it nor applied math majors such as actuaries.
lvgcoolman13 1 month ago
@lvgcoolman13 It can be, but for the most part only on a very theoretical level. I don't know about actuarial mathematics but there are PhD dissertations and MS thesis in applied math areas like Physics and materials science which utilize certain Topology areas like manifolds. There is a lot of colaboration between Mathematics and Physics. Most people think that the applied math is just differential equations.
Haseeb2 1 month ago
@bozellandbuckley Such as Stochastic Partial Differential Equations with focus in finance. Knowledge that uses math rigor in finace.
lvgcoolman13 1 month ago
@lvgcoolman13
Yes. The problem though, is that formal schools (like Princeton) but their math kids in finance after teaching them a lot about using geometrical algorithms on the market. This is a mistake. The market is fractal in behavior. Can't figure out whether most financial maths people get duped or whether they just don't care.
SaveTheWheat 1 month ago
@SaveTheWheat A few days ago I opened a book for a few min on diff equations by oksendal from my school's library and its notation blew my mind out. Thats probably because I am barely at the level of A first course in probability by Ross lol.
lvgcoolman13 1 month ago
@bozellandbuckley Undergraduate prestige does not always equal graduate prestige. Elite undergraduate schools such as Harvey Mudd College for example are first rate places for an undergraduate degree in Mathematics or any of the other hard sciences, but they are not regarded as a top tier graduate schools. Usually however, the top graduate schools are also strong undergraduate schools.
Haseeb2 2 months ago
@Haseeb2 That's because Harvey Mudd is a college and not a university (i.e. it doesn't have graduate programs).
newgy123 2 months ago
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@bozellandbuckley Harvard, Princeton and MIT all have insanely good math programs full of Putnam and IMO gods... Yale and Upenn lack their rarefied air but still are chock-full of summa cum laude graduates and brilliant men like Mandelbrot (well, while he was alive)... it would be somewhat facetious to say there's a complete lack of correlation between prestigious undergrad and grad institutions. Ivies have money, and where there's money there's usually opportunity...
the2sorbital 1 month ago
@bozellandbuckley It depends on what kind of mathematical person you are. I for example took Calculus for the time in 11 grade. So really your argument is two sided.
Suckmykiss20 3 days ago
I took Analysis from a postdoc from Poland. He told us that in Eastern Europe, they spend an entire year on this one subject alone, it was the backbone of most math. At Oregon, they spent ten weeks. He pretty much told us that the school was doing a horrible job of teaching math when they weren't making an adequate effort to get students an adequate background in the material. It seems that if you want to understand math, Eastern European nations are some of the finest in the world.
ripperduck 2 months ago
that was the shit
nicenow25 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Physics/engineering is generally a healthier alternative for most of you. I am doing a PhD so taking many grad level math courses as well, and although I appreciate them, they are really for doing research. Physics offers a broader job market and adding the math extras (set theory, differential geometry etc) is easy when you need them. But if you are really really sure you want the academic path in mathematics, go ahead :-)
Betaeter 3 months ago
Are YOU out of YOUR daMN Mind?!
threeagainstfour 3 months ago
Pretty motivational skit for those of us who are asking the same question..
connerturnbull 3 months ago
Aren't the universities supposed to give that broad foundation?
muesk3 3 months ago
@muesk3 You would think that they would. But in reality they are there to take your student loans and give you and an inferior education. I attended a Pac-12 school where the most flunked class was College Algebra. Nothing collegiate about it, it was a blown up hs algebra/trig course. Despite the fact that most students needed the best teachers in order to understand the material, a GTF/GA with no experience trying to keep his/her head above water was assigned. No wonder so many flunked.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck Sounds dreadful. I'm glad to live in a country with very good education across the board.
muesk3 2 months ago
@muesk3 It's probably due to the fact that most of your citizens value education and understand its worth. In the US, most of us have no idea what makes a good education, and have no context in order to discern what is good or bad. In the US, college has become a scam, and the amount of loans which college students bear is over $1Trillion! One trillion $'s for this level of inadequacy? In many ways Americans are imbeciles.....
ripperduck 2 months ago
Are u out of your damn mind
DaRealLeekLuciano 3 months ago 3
I appreciate how thorough you are in describing the requirements of grad school mathematics. This animation comforts me like a close friend.
Hanato2 3 months ago
If the objective of the video is to bore people away from maths who express an interest in it, it's probably going to work.
Why not give the kid a book introducing some of the more advanced stuff and get them interested, instead of a sermon on their inadequacies which is bound to just destroy them?
If they have an interest in calculus, it's likely they'll get a kick out of other things too.
This is some of the worst advice going.
CostaDelBarto 3 months ago 19
@CostaDelBarto I completely agree with you. This video is elitist, the person who made this video probably fails to understand that there are people behind math, and they are human. Hence, it is possible for anyone to work their way up to understand the abstract concepts in upper level math.
mentalmercury11 3 months ago
Pointless and elitist video.
hubomba 3 months ago 3
GRAD-U-ATE SHOOLE
benzbubblecat 3 months ago
Nonsense, Yale and UPenn?? Everyone knows that Princeton, Stanford and Cambridge are far far better for Mathematics.... (Especially Princeton)
analyticannoyance 3 months ago 4
@analyticannoyance It depends on the specialty. For example, the University of Texas has perhaps the best Topology program in pure Mathematics in the country. Yale is a good school to go to for Analysis and yes all of the schools you mentioned are good, but when one is pursuing a graduate education they should be mindful of what they would like to specialize in, talk to some of the professors in their areas of interest and read journal publications by the profs there.
Haseeb2 3 months ago
@analyticannoyance It depends on which area of speciality. Upenn is the top tier school in Mathematical Physics and String theory. It is one of the few schools where mathematicians and physicists come together and collaborate, where pure math (rather than applied math) such as algebraic geometry is used to describe the physical world.
MathsPhysics2011 3 months ago 9
2:21 "Harvaahhd" lol
mrfantastik7 3 months ago
these are funny but annoying. if you enjoyed calculus, you're likely to enjoy other maths. don't get discouraged by hearing about these "crazy difficult things" with names you've never heard of. as you progress you'll get to them and get through them. you don't all of a sudden get bad at math once you hit a point, unless something big in yourself changes
whisperr33 3 months ago
@whisperr33 I don't think it's fair to say that if you've enjoyed calculus, you're likely to enjoy Analysis. I don't even think you'd find the slightest correlation.
XZohar123 1 week ago
Can someone wih real job experience comment on this? After getting a degree in Communicationstudies, but with a science background, I'm thinking of studying mathematics as about the only way to get a prestigious job by differentiating myself from all other applicants in being the best analytically skilled. Are you really competing with Albert Einsteins in the field of mathematics??
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why would someone that's aced an abstract algebra course be stupid enough to think he could specialize in double or triple integrals in graduate school?
i think they meant linear algebra.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
I wish I would've seen a video like this back in '02.
MzBUZZKILINGTON 3 months ago
Is topology apart of analysis?
AceofRiches 3 months ago
@AceofRiches no. there's some overlap between them, but no, it is not a "subset" of analysis lol.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
@UltraProle21. Set theory ftw !
AceofRiches 3 months ago
Math ftw!
AceofRiches 3 months ago
must for person going for a PhD in Mathematics
niyanuday 3 months ago
Wanna get your PhD in mathematics? Don't do it! *end of discussion*
itsbankaibitch 3 months ago
@itsbankaibitch Why not?
jazzguitar2010 3 months ago
UPEN? never heard of
x1x2x3ct 3 months ago
@x1x2x3ct University of Pensylvania?
ArenThomasian 3 months ago
ROFL. this was hilarious
animals0feel1pain2 4 months ago
Should I take topology or number theory next semester? also taking analysis and abstract algebra for sure.
shaneymane15 4 months ago
@shaneymane15 If you want to go to grad school, topology for sure. First courses in both topology and real analysis are nice to take in the same semester.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
@shaneymane15 depends on what you prefer of course. If i were you, I would take topology. bring on the subsets! lol.
darthmath2 3 months ago
@darthmath2 i decided on topology. ill take number theory later
shaneymane15 3 months ago
@5:36 Set theory + Real Analysis + Topology = Triple pawnage.
Neueregel 4 months ago
LOL "at HAH VAHD" 2:23
sh61288 4 months ago
I am a 1st year phD student in maths. Every paper I'm reading is fucking difficult
ddxccc 4 months ago
@ddxccc Lol.
shaneymane15 4 months ago
No math professor has an office this nice.
YmerejLNitram 4 months ago
in in grad school for stats now... its basically rape for your mind
8peregrint8 4 months ago
@8peregrint8 Why did you go to school for stats?
Wiseguyzmoney 4 months ago
@Wiseguyzmoney after applying to 300+ jobs and getting nothing back I figured grad school would be better than sitting around getting drunk.
8peregrint8 4 months ago
@8peregrint8 mmm well good luck and hopefully you find a good job
Wiseguyzmoney 4 months ago
@mphello and to continue, this post is all about stuff that has nothing to do with the jobs you were working. why would being a applying for a job as a janitor and having experiance at being a janitor in anyway be related to voting
thompkinsbrian 4 months ago
@thompkinsbrian
.. makes no sense either.
I've had jobs, and the things one does on the job over and over are an INSIGNIFICANT little slice of knowledge out of the large amount of things I learned in school.
mphello 4 months ago
@mphello im talking about working a job itself. job experiance in the job of that type, from what ive seen atleast, is atleast as valuable as formal education. If you are a person working at a factory putting in a bolt to a car tire, you leave that job for that company to work for another doing the same then job experiance makes a difference.
thompkinsbrian 4 months ago
these videos are better than my highschool guidance counsellor
khashya786786 4 months ago 22
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khashya786786 4 months ago
hahaha...I want to specialize on solving double integrals!!
kenrubes 4 months ago
I feel depressed now
sufjanfan92 4 months ago
@sufjanfan92 yep :(
piporencore 4 months ago
@mphello You are right... That is why I had the prof. Mention such school as Ohio State, Penn State and Texas. These schools and others have first rate mathematics departments where you can get just as good an education, if not better than at an Ivy League school.
Haseeb2 4 months ago 3
The "professor" in this video is right about the vast difference between writing hardcore proofs versus doing "piddly calculus problems" (which are hard enough). However, he is dead wrong about intimidating this "student" with BS about how far "superior" Ivy League schools are. No need to waste money on BS private schools. A sufficiently large university in graduate school is just as good as these overpriced private schools.
Ultimately, the value of the student's education will depend
mphello 4 months ago
@mphello mostly on the student.
I wish I had studied harder in my graduate math courses. I wish the professors had drilled us in those upper level math courses in the same way that I was drilled in my undergraduate engineering courses.
Not saying I blew off graduate math courses entirely. I would never do that.
I worked hard, just not as hard as I would have liked.
But, then.. the same is true about myself now!
Back to work!
mphello 4 months ago
@mphello I have a master's degree; not a PhD, but you are right on. I try to tell everyone that the physics and math that one learns at ANY major univrsity is the same as the physics and math taught at the Ivy League schools.
User5973 3 months ago
@User5973
Thanks.
Also, thompkinsbrian said = you leave that job for that company to work for another doing the same then job experiance makes a difference =
Yes. Of course, doing the same narrow thing on a job qualifies one to do the same narrow thing somewhere else.
It is not academic degrees that are useless. It is the narrow-mindedness and stupidity of the attitude of employers (their hiring decision algorithms) that is worthless, unjust, and destructive to the economy.
mphello 3 months ago
@User5973 I have a phd in theoretical physics from an unknown university. I published in physical review letter, etc, so no differences here. The only difference is your network...I was unemployed, and they have a job. So, at the end of the day, Ivy league universities always win because you can't prove a theorem when you sleep on the street.
Albertolo1928 2 months ago
The value of "work" experience is different for everybody.
"Work" experience is bullshit for everybody.
I have a math PhD, and I don't recommend it for everyone, but NOT because of some politically correct ideology put out by capitalists and business majors who want to do no work for themselves while demanding free labor from everyone else, while they steal "working" for Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.
I don't recommend it because it is the hardest job you will ever do.
You have to be...
mphello 4 months ago
@mphello .. totally and fanatically committed to earning a PhD in Mathematics - PURELY for its own sake and the great value it adds to society, and NOT because of ANY bullshit non-existent "job prospect" afterwards.
It will become your entire life. It will be the greatest measure of the value of yourself as a human being.
mphello 4 months ago
@mphello i am not sure what you mean by the first two statements here. Work experiance doesnt vary depending on what you are doing, but to say its bullshit for everybody doesn't make any sense. I work as a weather forecaster and no amount of school actually teaches you what you will learn over years of forecasting. Work experiance also has added benefits on the education you recieved. Constant use of principals you learned in training and school allow you to recall them much easier.
thompkinsbrian 4 months ago
@thompkinsbrian
I've had multiple jobs: legal assistant, lawyer, janitor. No amount of those jobs teaches me anything about the rules and dynamics of politics, nor teaches me a thing about the consequences of my votes and consumer choices: e.g. voting for Democrats and Republicans directly kills and imprisons millions of people, eating meat directly breeds tortures and kills innocent animals.
So, to say "job experience is more important than formal education is true for everybody" makes
mphello 4 months ago
Major in Business or Communication...while you are in undergraduate school get 2-3 years wroth of internships in the field you want to go into and boom, decent life, not to much debt, and good possibility for advancement.
Internships / work experience are more important than what you choose to study.
Agumon5 4 months ago
Apparently this professor is unaware of the copious amounts of research being done on using distribution theory for solving PDEs.... that involves tons of integration, integration by parts (which is the primary motivator for the definition of weak derivatives), and, of course, differential equations. Granted, more nuanced and sophisticated than what the student is referring too, but it seems to me like the student could easily research what they want to research....
LeonhardEuler1 5 months ago 2
@LeonhardEuler1
Exactly.
mphello 3 months ago
When I studied ekonomics at uni people failed the math part - wheres I hade like 95/100 points. Now when I studie math I have hade exams with 0/30 points. It is a huge differens and then it is not even on a master level.
Myrslokstok 5 months ago
Don't dispute the vids sentiment, but I learned quite a bit of math by studying Physics. My first uni was terrible at teaching the subject but when I transferred to a uni which put an emphasis on teaching rather than research I learned both. Math doesn't supplant physics, it supplements it and it learning WHY I needed the math, then it became quite a lot easier to understand and use. The vid prof is right, get a broad overview of the subject before plunging into grad school.
ripperduck 5 months ago
what the hell is everyone talking about, abstract algebra and real analysis are work intensive but easy... if you have the right prereqs. the only reason it's hard for people is because they didn't have practice with combinatorics or (proof) calculus (or anything to build maturity) and jump into the hard stuff, like going from noun/verb to shakespeare. universities can't structure the 'prereqs', mainly because they can't fit it into a course schedule
EltBerserker 5 months ago 2
@EltBerserker
Real analysis is very different from combinatorics. It is hard to newbies because it is very abstract and a fundamentally different way of looking at the world. Lebesgue integrals? Sigma-algebras? Radon-Nikodym theorem? Covering spaces? The Axiom of Choice? No prerequisites really prepare you for that. It's a quantum leap in consciousness, literally.
I know, because I test these ideas on those who have NOT gone through RA, and I can see they have no clue what I mean.
mphello 3 months ago
and screw this for insulting Ohio!
GameShowFanMan 5 months ago
So true. An undergrad degree in math at a top tier univ. will probably help him decide.
PrivateWarrior1 5 months ago
FUCK MATH!
betocool 5 months ago
Nice voice acting. And by that I mean the exact opposite.
ComradeAlpharius 5 months ago
So funny
scimath42 5 months ago
this is a pretty stupid video to be honest
there's truth in it but i mean what is the point of this, it's not that entertaining and not very comical. In fact, the robotically generated voices make it practically unbearable to listen to
logicilla 6 months ago
LOL!!!!!!
juanarruti 6 months ago
i think real analysis is easier then abstract algebra
mccrack1985 6 months ago
@mccrack1985 that's because your school is terrible
logicilla 6 months ago
@mccrack1985 seriously? i found abstract so much easier than analysis
GameShowFanMan 5 months ago
love it
mccrack1985 6 months ago
Solid advice. I was in a similar situation and eventually realized how little math I actually knew. I wish somebody would be saying more like his advice to students now.
btafan11 6 months ago 2
Not just harsh, the professor is an asshole. Also, some bad advice mixed in with the good.
tofucyborg 6 months ago
The hell is with his voice :P? Poor guy...
Sephlock 6 months ago
Thank Goodness for MIT open course ware and the Open University. That way you can get an overview for free and no one can stop you from progressing. I am quite evangelistic about mathematics I think the more people there are working on problem such a chaos for instance the faster break through will happen. Mathematics isn't about tradition.
SarahStarmer 6 months ago 3
"people who go to Yale, Harvard or UPenn graduate school for mathematics are at your level coming out of high school"...OUCH..LOLOL
mindstate30 6 months ago
Oh, never had Real Analysis, but students I spoke with who took it said it nearly drove them to suicide.
NashvilleKildCountry 6 months ago
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@NashvilleKildCountry
= but students I spoke with who took it said it nearly drove them to suicide.=
I KNEW I wasn't the only one. (roll eyes)
mphello 3 months ago
God, and I thought Differential Equations raped my sorry ass. It was the first mathematics course I ever got an A- in (straight A's in the rest). That stuff about existence and uniqueness brought back some nightmares--probably child's play to the uploader.
NashvilleKildCountry 6 months ago
Specializing in double or triple integrals!!! LOLz
kenjokenjo1 6 months ago 56
@kenjokenjo1 hahahaha I loled when I heard that
Evan2718281828 3 months ago
@kenjokenjo1 lol, maybe I should do my phd in derivatives!
TDMagic1 3 months ago
nice. everything he said was so true.
i know a lot of people who think they are amateur mathematicians because they happen to have a few years of calculus and diffeQ under their belt.
those are just the tip of one of the three major icebergs involved (being analysis/algebra/geometry)
sharpnova2 7 months ago
I am a bit of a hobby mathematician. Why would you want to stop people from studying maths. I am not happy with our inability to predict chaotic pattern forming in the logistic formula for instance. Don't try to slow people down get them working on that problem and many others now. Time is short.
SarahStarmer 6 months ago
I am going to add, that mathematics is not properly valued here on the Isle of Skye, Scotland, where I live, for instance at the local High schoo